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I don't think that this is

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very. I think people know by now. While.

1:00

Especially. If the other

1:02

person is a female. oh. Are

1:05

you ready? Here we go! I

1:07

always in the first ten zoc

1:10

the yes I that brought to

1:12

mind shocking one of my proudest

1:14

hilarious moments. For some

1:17

reason, I think this is one of

1:19

the two or three funniest things I

1:21

ever did. Okay, I'm. I

1:23

hope you don't know this because it'll crack

1:25

you up but it specially if you saw

1:27

it. So. You

1:30

know, I have been taking cruises with.

1:33

Listeners for thirty years in so one

1:35

of them are few of them or

1:37

to West Africa. And and

1:40

on one of those occasions. Where.

1:43

We went to the country called

1:45

togo. In. West Africa. And

1:48

I went into the you a

1:50

rural area and togo. And

1:53

I visited a local. I

1:56

guess. Tribal Chief. And

1:58

the people. were just magnet in

2:00

there warmth to me and also any

2:02

I took a picture I

2:05

took a photo I'm not

2:07

I took I was in a photo

2:09

it was taken of me and three

2:11

of the people of the village

2:15

and these are people who

2:18

have had no ancestors

2:21

who were anything but black so

2:23

they were absolutely black

2:26

and I'm absolutely white right

2:29

okay so there's

2:32

there are four of us and I'm one

2:34

of them and

2:37

not only that but I'm I'm wearing

2:39

you know long shorts so you see

2:41

my legs from the knee down mm-hmm

2:44

and I I

2:47

sent it back through

2:49

my Facebook page to you

2:52

know my many listeners and followers and

2:55

it said as follows Dennis

2:59

second from left in

3:02

Togo I

3:06

second from left in case

3:08

it wasn't right yeah very

3:10

very obviously

3:12

when it comes with the

3:15

picture it's particularly hilarious of

3:17

course but here here is

3:19

the unexpected punchline mm-hmm half

3:22

the people reacting thought it

3:24

was hilarious lol ha

3:26

ha ha the other half thought it

3:29

was offensive no not offense oh no

3:31

thank God they wouldn't be a

3:33

listener might if they were that foolish no

3:36

the other half though thought

3:39

wrote something to the effect why

3:43

did Dennis note that he's the second one from

3:45

the left isn't it obvious and

3:49

you're like I did it it wasn't me someone

3:52

else wrote that right no I wrote you wrote

3:54

it yes that's why I say it's one of

3:56

the funniest things I ever did oh my

4:00

Oh my gosh, I thought somebody else wrote it for

4:02

you. No, no, I wrote it and I knew.

4:04

Oh. And half

4:06

the people were going, gee, I don't know, why would he write

4:08

that? You know, what are

4:10

you joking? It's funny. That's the

4:12

point, yes, exactly. Well, clearly I

4:14

missed something. I have

4:16

to say, sometimes I find that

4:19

I don't always get very obvious

4:21

jokes. Which

4:24

proves there's no relationship between

4:26

getting jokes and intelligence. I

4:29

think it's- Wait, are you aware that I

4:31

just complimented you? I am

4:33

aware, but we should not make that

4:35

even more of a thing because Dennis and

4:38

Julie listeners are very aware of the complimenting.

4:41

I do sometimes get emails about it

4:43

still. I don't- Let's

4:45

just keep going and complimenting. No,

4:47

no, no, no, no. Okay, so

4:49

this is actually not an unimportant

4:51

point. They're

4:54

wrong. They

4:57

mean well, it's not a big deal, but

5:01

at a given point, anyone

5:04

who does public work has

5:07

to- and there's no perfect answer. You

5:09

have to weigh what are

5:12

they saying and what is

5:14

your mind saying. I

5:18

have taken- I've learned a lot from listeners. A lot.

5:23

I've noted that on my radio show all of

5:25

my career. At the

5:27

same time, if you are

5:29

guided by what they say, you won't have

5:31

a show. It's so true. It

5:34

will not be you. It's so,

5:36

so true. So it's not

5:38

natural for people who have the

5:40

affection that we have for each

5:42

other. Not

5:44

to say on occasion, as we

5:46

do privately, a positive thing

5:49

to the other. So there's

5:52

no- if one were to take

5:57

the last ten

5:59

broadcasts- So that would make,

6:01

let's say it's an hour and 15 minutes

6:03

on average. So that's 10 hours

6:05

plus 150 minutes is another two

6:08

and a half, 12 and a half hours of show.

6:12

I would bet, and I never bet

6:14

unless, because I don't have an instinct

6:16

to gamble. So I only bet

6:18

if I'm certain I'll win. And I

6:21

would bet a serious amount of money that

6:23

in the 12 and a half

6:26

hours, there isn't

6:28

more than four minutes of

6:30

mutual complimenting. I would agree. I actually

6:32

think that's even too much. That's a

6:34

prop. Yes. Maybe two minutes, maybe one

6:37

minute. So I want,

6:41

I'd love to analyze what

6:47

a person who writes in about that.

6:49

Obviously they thought about it enough to

6:51

write in. I can, I can look

6:53

up. And not only that, they think

6:55

highly enough of us. To

6:57

obviously be watching it or listening to

6:59

it. So these are

7:01

not hostile people, obviously. But

7:06

I, I treasure

7:08

the thing I most treasure in

7:11

people is being real. Yes.

7:14

Anyway. So I just wanted, I wanted to know,

7:16

we don't, it's not a huge deal. I agree. We

7:18

don't have to send, it's hard

7:21

to do D and J and then

7:23

find emails in the treasure trove. We don't need to spend too

7:25

much time on it, but just occasionally, I

7:27

mean, the vast majority of emails I get about it

7:29

don't have to do. No, of course not. I know

7:31

you send me a lot of them. But here's what's

7:34

interesting. There are kind of two

7:36

things. The first is

7:38

it's sort of like the missing tile

7:40

syndrome. And I think this is

7:42

true when, when you observe something

7:44

in another person that maybe you don't like,

7:47

or it's not your favorite thing about them,

7:50

sometimes you tend to really zero

7:52

in on it. And

7:54

I can imagine that those listeners of Dennis

7:56

and Julie who may be aware of the

7:58

complimenting, maybe sometimes they. They

8:01

have heightened kind of ears for it, if

8:03

that makes sense. No question. And I find

8:05

that with, I mean, you know,

8:08

with just relationships in my own

8:10

life, how many kids with their

8:12

parents find an annoying

8:15

thing that their parents do? And even if their

8:17

parents don't do it that much, they

8:19

zoom in on it and

8:21

they make it seem bigger than it is. I think that's just

8:23

true of human nature. And then the second

8:26

thing I'll say on this is I

8:28

love what you said a few moments

8:30

ago about they're wrong. And

8:33

you said something along the lines of

8:35

like, if you listen to

8:38

every single person, you won't have

8:40

a show. Like, you need to do your

8:42

show your own way. And

8:46

I think there's something really, really true

8:49

about that. Just generally

8:51

in life, you can't, you have to,

8:53

of course, listen to wise people giving

8:55

you good advice or kind of pointing out

8:58

if they think you're doing something wrong. But

9:01

it is an equally important skill that a lot

9:03

of people don't focus on to know when to tune

9:06

out the noise. And

9:10

exactly. And I fully

9:12

acknowledge that a lot

9:14

of noise. Oh, there it

9:16

is. Yeah. Is

9:19

that there it is. I love it.

9:22

How did you find that? And you

9:24

wrote that. Yes. That

9:26

is funny. You're very funny. I agree.

9:29

But that is that. That is my one of

9:32

my proudest moments of being funny. Dennis

9:34

second from right. That

9:36

is a hilarious. Oh my gosh. I

9:39

love that photo. I've never seen you in

9:41

shorts. Are those people I want you all

9:44

to know. Yes. Socks and

9:46

sandals. Where's Birkenstocks? They're

9:48

actually Mephisto. But you're right. Andy drinks

9:50

oat milk. Yes.

9:53

I'm exposing you. Correct. So,

9:58

back to you. Back to

10:01

the serious part of this, there's

10:05

no perfect answer. You

10:07

have to take criticism. I'll

10:10

tell you and listeners how

10:13

seriously I take criticism. I

10:17

seek it. I read

10:20

attacks on me. For

10:22

example, comments. When

10:26

they're on left-wing sites, they're

10:28

all negative. And I still read them. And

10:31

you know why? For

10:34

a lot of reasons, I want to know what

10:36

their perceptions are. How do they think? It's important

10:38

to me to understand how people I totally differ

10:40

with think. That's why I learned

10:43

Russian to read Pravda, the Soviet newspaper.

10:46

But there's another reason.

10:49

On occasion, even people who loathe

10:52

me may make a valid point.

10:56

And so I'm thinking, wait a minute.

10:58

Oh, I said that or I

11:00

did that or I came across that way. I have to

11:02

work on it. So there's

11:06

no perfect answer except

11:09

to say that you

11:11

can't be swayed in

11:13

either direction without using your

11:16

faculty of reason. In other words, I can't

11:19

be swayed by what others say. And

11:21

I can't be swayed by self-confidence in my

11:23

own opinion. I have to be

11:25

swayed by what is

11:28

the rational big lover

11:30

of reason? What is the rational

11:32

approach to that question? And

11:35

that's it. That's the way it

11:37

works. That's

11:39

right. And sometimes if people are right

11:42

about one thing, that doesn't mean

11:44

that they're entirely right. You can kind

11:46

of pick and choose from people. Here's

11:50

another addition to your rule. If

11:53

somebody's wrong, it doesn't mean they're

11:55

always wrong. That's very, very true.

11:57

We tend to in life. think

12:00

always, yes, always and never. Someone once

12:02

instructed me, they say, try to avoid

12:04

in your speech and in your thought

12:06

using those two words, always and never, but

12:09

we tend to in life, kind of succumb to binaries.

12:11

And I'll give you an example of this. I

12:13

remember when I was in college and I was

12:16

discovering you and becoming

12:18

conservative, what a thrilling, thrilling time,

12:20

by the way. I look back

12:22

on that and I had

12:25

no idea how much my life was, was

12:27

changing. But then when you're obviously

12:30

looking retrospectively, it's a really thrilling

12:32

story, but I remember

12:34

talking to people and explaining

12:37

my conservatism. And

12:40

I would talk about Black Lives Matter and

12:43

how horrible and corrupt

12:45

it was. And how I thought

12:47

that the policies that they were

12:49

pushing for, namely defunding the police were

12:51

not helping, but harming the

12:53

black community. I talked about the website

12:55

when they said that they want to

12:58

upend the Western prescribed notions of a

13:00

nuclear family. And the

13:03

response that people gave to me

13:05

was so interesting to me with

13:07

regard to human nature. I

13:10

had so many people say to me,

13:12

you know, Julie, I actually agree

13:14

with you. That, you know, Black

13:16

Lives, the Western prescribed notion of the nuclear family thing

13:18

is that I agree with you, the Black Lives Matter

13:21

is taking it too far. But

13:23

they said, I would rather be, you

13:26

know, too supportive

13:28

of BLM than

13:30

not supportive of all at all, in

13:33

case there's some validity to the

13:35

argument about, you know, police going

13:37

after black people or mass incarceration.

13:40

Their arguments were very binary. Like I'd rather be

13:42

too on the side of BLM than not on

13:45

the side at all. And my response

13:47

to them was... Who said this to

13:49

you? Classmates. When I would talk to

13:51

them about my burgeoning... Oh, it's so painful.

13:53

It's a despicable organization. Of course it is.

13:56

I just want to make that... It has

13:58

nothing to do with supporting black. Nothing.

14:01

Of course. Hating BLM. It's like

14:03

saying I hate the KKK. Oh,

14:06

but you shouldn't hate the KKK because it

14:08

means you're anti-white. No, no, I hate the

14:10

KKK and I'm not anti-white. I hate BLM

14:12

and I'm not anti-black. I totally

14:15

agree with you. I think Black Lives

14:17

Matter is one of the

14:19

most despicable organizations in the world. I

14:21

hate Black Lives Matter. But at

14:23

the time, to give them a little bit of credit,

14:26

it was early in that kind of movement.

14:29

This was before the embezzlement of money. To

14:33

me, it was despicable from day one, and that

14:35

was very obvious. But the point I'm

14:37

trying to make is that people,

14:39

I noticed this kind

14:41

of binary in thinking. Like, I'm either

14:44

totally with Black Lives Matter or I'm totally against

14:46

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I said, why can't the truth be

16:11

somewhere? I don't think it's in the middle I think it's

16:13

far more towards the you know conservative camp,

16:15

but why why can't we go?

16:17

Okay, maybe some things that this

16:19

organization is highlighting like, you

16:22

know, police not having body cameras Maybe

16:25

that's something that we should pay attention to But

16:28

then all the other things that they're doing we can

16:30

say are crap like what why does it have to

16:32

be this binary? I'll give you a final

16:34

example this one. You'll you'll like I

16:38

went on your show when I was sophomore

16:40

junior and I talked about feminism

16:43

and how third-wave feminism really

16:46

harms women with regard to hookup

16:48

culture because it tells women that

16:50

it's an empowering thing to take your clothes off and

16:52

behave like men and I

16:54

remember a lot of my classmates said to me You

16:57

know Julie I agree with you But

16:59

I don't want to fully I don't want

17:01

to criticize Feminism because the same people who

17:04

criticize feminism are the same people who want

17:06

to repeal women's rights to vote So

17:09

again, it's like why does it have to be

17:11

this all-or-nothing thing? Wait, they actually said

17:13

that yes Do you know anyone of

17:15

course who wants to repeal the woman's

17:18

right to vote? Of course not It's absurd.

17:20

But what I'm trying to highlight is that in

17:23

I don't know if it's Particular to

17:25

higher education, I think just

17:27

generally culturally we don't

17:29

have nuance We succumb

17:31

to these binary ways of thinking It

17:35

sounds so stupid to you because you think clearly

17:37

but a lot of people do think in those

17:39

terms. They don't want to criticize Feminism

17:41

today because they think that it

17:44

means they're criticizing feminism in its entirety

17:46

You If

17:52

this is a very good subject actually I

17:56

Want to tell you I want to give you an

17:58

example of where I? would

18:05

have some sympathy for

18:09

the other side with

18:11

regard to something I believe

18:15

in strongly. So for

18:17

example, I

18:20

think about this more

18:27

than a little. I think about it a fair amount. Israel

18:31

is fighting to an

18:33

existential battle. People, vast

18:36

numbers of people want to destroy Israel. If

18:39

anyone who denies that is lying to themselves

18:41

and there's nothing I can do. They

18:44

don't hide it. Iran

18:46

wants to destroy Israel, not win

18:48

a war, destroy Israel. So does

18:50

Hamas, so does Hezbollah. They

18:53

don't hide it at all. They don't hide it. They don't need

18:55

to hide it. That's right. Okay. So

18:57

in light of that, do

19:01

I engage in

19:06

some degree of suppression of criticism of

19:08

Israel at this time? And

19:11

the answer is yes. Oh, interesting. So in

19:14

other words, I'm doing

19:16

what I wish everybody did

19:18

is I'm putting the shoe on the other foot.

19:22

I'm sure I, so I,

19:27

during World War II, fighting

19:29

Hitler and the Japanese, I

19:32

would have muted my

19:36

critique of Britain or the United

19:38

States. Because

19:41

the much larger

19:43

war is so important and so

19:45

moral. I can't

19:47

right now weaken. It's

19:50

not like I'm

19:52

the coach of a football team. And

19:56

my team is losing, so do I really

19:58

criticize? Yes, of course. course I do because

20:00

I want them to win. I mean it's

20:03

not a ball game. This is

20:05

very serious stuff. So

20:08

they would argue that

20:11

racism against blacks is so great

20:15

that criticizing BLM

20:18

when the larger battle is so moral.

20:20

In other words, I'm now trying to

20:22

put my yes I know but they

20:24

were wrong. Of course. That's the difference.

20:26

Israel is fighting an existential battle for

20:29

its existence which is redundant but I

20:31

want to make it clear. Whereas

20:34

America is not systemically racist

20:36

against blacks. That's a lie.

20:38

And BLM doesn't do any

20:40

good. It may have

20:42

right suggestions like body cams on

20:44

police as you said but

20:48

who's against that? Well people

20:50

I'll give you a third example. I

20:52

remember during COVID a lot of people

20:55

said I would rather be too on

20:57

the side of masks and vaccines

21:00

and social distancing and lockdowns than

21:02

not on it at all. And again I'm like

21:04

why does it have to be this binary? And

21:07

again I think that the masks and all of that

21:09

that was BS and

21:11

that has been proven to have been BS

21:14

largely. Masks were totally

21:16

ineffective. Yes I agree. We don't

21:18

need to go down that rabbit hole. But I remember

21:20

saying to them like can we be

21:22

tempered about it? It's either you're

21:24

like a crazy mask

21:27

wearer ten times jabbed you

21:29

know ten feet away from people at

21:31

all times or you're an anti-vaxxer who

21:33

never wears masks and never takes any precautions.

21:36

Come on. Why are you painting

21:38

a picture like that? But

21:40

back to what you're saying because I think it's

21:42

very important and admirable that you as you're

21:45

saying are trying to put the shoe on the other foot. What?

21:50

You just said maybe you're suppressing some

21:52

criticism of Israel. What

21:54

is that criticism of Israel that you

21:56

would say that you're suppressing? Oh that's hilarious

21:58

that I'm not suppressing. it. Yeah.

22:02

Well, I want to know. Okay,

22:04

so let

22:07

us say I wish they managed the war

22:09

a little differently. I

22:11

wouldn't. Do you

22:14

wish that? I what

22:16

I do when my brain goes there

22:18

is say, Dennis, you know as much

22:20

about military tactics. So true. As you

22:22

do about Mozambique economy.

22:24

People are out there saying

22:26

it's like, right, exactly. And

22:29

whenever I, you know, during

22:31

D Day, what I

22:33

see, you know, Eisenhower really got it wrong. They

22:35

shouldn't have gone on Omaha Beach, they should have

22:37

gone on this beach. What

22:39

do I know? So

22:42

that's part of the reason that I keep my

22:44

mouth shut on it. The other is that right

22:47

now, given the intensity of the

22:51

Israel hatred, which is unique on

22:53

earth, North Korea is not one

22:56

10th is hated. Iran is not

22:58

one 10th is hated Russia one

23:00

hundredth as the Chinese Communist Party

23:02

isn't not 100. It's

23:04

unbelievable. Look,

23:06

it's really let

23:10

me let me say something

23:12

about this. And we were not we

23:14

never planned to say anything. So exactly

23:17

an important point. But

23:22

given the data, every

23:24

poll shows overwhelmingly

23:27

American support Israel, that

23:29

the support is actually greater today

23:32

than it was even two months ago. So

23:36

you have this tiny percentage

23:40

of Americans who have

23:42

taken over colleges, who have

23:44

who have shut down bridges and

23:47

tunnels and thoroughfares in the Western

23:49

world, it's a tiny percentage, right.

23:53

But they prevail, not

23:56

because of them, but

23:59

because of the weakness of

24:02

the not bad. They're

24:05

bad. I have called them on

24:07

the air Hitler youth. They are

24:10

indistinguishable to me

24:12

from Hitler-Eugend, the

24:15

Nazi youth organization.

24:18

I just want to finish

24:20

this because it's so important. The

24:23

reason they prevail is not because

24:25

of their numbers or their arguments,

24:28

but because the vast majority of

24:30

the non-evil are weak. This

24:34

is the issue in humanity. The

24:37

cowardice of college presidents

24:40

and deans. By the way, it goes back

24:42

to my time in the 1970s,

24:45

which to you is prehistory. No, no, I

24:47

totally get it. Absolutely.

24:51

Yeah, of course it is. But

24:54

it's the way it is. Just as years

24:57

from now, these years

24:59

will be prehistory. I know.

25:01

It's awesome. So when

25:04

I was at Columbia, kids took over

25:07

and in that case, it was the Vietnam

25:10

War. They took over the

25:12

offices of the president and

25:15

deans of Columbia. Same

25:18

university. Totally. And they

25:20

not only didn't punish them or

25:23

have the police evict them, they

25:26

gave them, I remember this so

25:28

well, they gave them refreshments. They

25:31

gave them the humanitarian aid that that

25:33

Columbia student demanded. But this

25:35

wasn't even humanitarian aid. This was,

25:37

can I offer you some trumpets?

25:40

Oh, I mean totally. These universities, as I

25:43

often say, they've given the mouse a

25:45

cookie for literally decades. Decades.

25:48

They have allowed this behavior and

25:51

they've encouraged it. You know,

25:53

I played these speeches

25:55

on my show of Hillary Clinton

25:57

at Class Day at Yale in 2013. and

26:00

Joe Biden, a class day at Harvard in 2017. And

26:04

they are saying what I told you,

26:07

and I said on Dennis and Julie

26:09

so many times, what happened at my

26:11

college graduation, which is that they got

26:13

up and they said, you are

26:16

the most tolerant, diverse,

26:18

enlightened generation

26:20

in American history. John, could you please bring in a vomit

26:23

bag? Yeah. Hillary

26:25

Clinton said, Yale class of

26:27

2018, you have demonstrated the courage. Courage.

26:32

Conviction. Oh, that's the part where they're

26:34

called courageous. Oh my God. No, but

26:36

this is what people need to understand.

26:38

Yeah. And we,

26:41

you've been calling this out for three

26:43

times as long as I've been alive. I've been calling this out

26:46

for what, four years? I don't know. But

26:49

they have not

26:52

only allowed this, as I said, they

26:54

encourage it. They tell

26:56

you that you're doing the right thing. If

26:58

you protest, you're saving America. If you protest,

27:00

you got really got to listen to these.

27:02

You should play them on your show. Actually

27:05

scraps that I played them on your show when I

27:07

guess, hosted for you. Joe Biden says,

27:09

you know, Harvard class of 2017, you lied

27:11

on the lawn. It

27:14

moved more. There was some demonstration then. I forget

27:17

what the people lied on the lawn. I think

27:19

it was her black, black, forgive

27:21

me. Lay. Wait, they left

27:23

the past. Oh, nobody

27:26

gets it right. But I know you care. Well,

27:29

you have really helped me with the with regard

27:31

stuff. Now it bothers

27:33

me. Dennis will say in

27:35

regards to it, it is

27:38

fingernails on a chalkboard. I

27:41

know, but I used to do that. So I

27:43

can't judge people, but you've alerted me. Well, I'll

27:45

tell you, it's funny as

27:47

usual. Did you finish

27:49

that point? Cause I want to get laid

27:51

on the lay, not

27:53

lay. It's very hard.

27:55

It's the hardest English verb to conjugate

27:58

correctly. It really is. Laid

28:00

is I laid

28:02

the book on the table. Okay.

28:05

It's the past tense of lay. The

28:08

past tense of lie, as in I

28:10

lie down, is I lay down, not

28:13

laid or lied. I lied means I

28:15

didn't tell the truth. You

28:18

can't imagine how stupid I feel right

28:20

now. It's God's flying by.

28:23

So it just shows all our

28:25

brains are different. No, but it

28:27

should be so, oh no, it's not flying

28:29

by. I get it, but I'm

28:31

saying it's stupid. I feel stupid that I made it a fake. Oh,

28:34

you didn't know it? So I'm curious, do you say,

28:37

let's say that you have

28:39

a friend and you say, so

28:41

me and my friend were talking the other day.

28:43

Oh, that bothers me. Do you do that? I

28:46

don't do that, no, because my mom is a

28:49

big grandma girl. It is mind

28:51

boggling to me. Yeah. No

28:54

one who went to elementary

28:56

school when I did would

28:58

ever say me went to

29:02

the park. How about it and it's, you know how

29:04

many people get that wrong? You mean spelling. Yes,

29:06

or there and there. No, you mean it's an

29:08

it's, it's with apostrophe, it's

29:10

with, yeah, yeah, it's beyond belief. It's

29:15

even common in printed

29:17

material. I know. People

29:19

writing for newspapers aren't getting it right.

29:22

No, it's amazing on so

29:24

many levels how little we learn, but

29:28

yes, the point that I was

29:30

making stance, that this has been going on

29:32

for so long, it's been encouraged, but I

29:34

do want to go back, because

29:37

on Dennis and Julie, we often do these tangents. I want

29:39

to go back to this point

29:41

about thinking and. By the

29:43

way, often in this case, always would

29:46

have been accurate. Yeah. We

29:48

always go on. That's true. That's where always

29:50

is warranted. Right. But you know, in

29:54

compliment alert, screw it, I

29:57

really appreciate you because you

29:59

really. do this and I try to do this, you try

30:01

to turn it back on yourself

30:04

and go, do I engage in this behavior? You have

30:06

to do that. And I

30:10

appreciate that point that you're making

30:12

about criticism, maybe suppressing some criticism

30:14

of Israel. Well, that's why

30:16

you need the big picture. See,

30:19

this is my wonderful,

30:22

and I'm not complimenting me

30:24

now, I'm complimenting the idea.

30:27

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30:30

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32:42

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32:45

I see the big picture. But here's

32:48

where I give you major

32:50

kudos. You're acknowledging this. You

32:53

know, you're acknowledging that you may be suppressing

32:55

some criticism that you have of Israel, which means

32:57

you're not actually doing that. It means you're, you

33:00

know, a lot of people engage

33:03

in similar behavior, but they don't acknowledge it.

33:07

Oh, right. Yes. That's that's

33:09

but that's really, really important. Yeah. You

33:11

know, that's that's

33:13

why I've asked

33:15

all the time. What's more dangerous? People

33:17

who lie to others or people who

33:20

lie to themselves? Oh,

33:22

I think lying to yourself. Definitely.

33:24

They're helped. They're absolutely. Yeah.

33:27

You know, I've been thinking about this in with

33:30

regard to to Donald Trump because

33:32

he with regard. I know

33:34

music to your ears. And

33:37

it's so funny that the influence you've had on

33:39

me because now every time I say it, I

33:41

think thank you, Dennis. Because

33:44

I realized that I had

33:46

I would have continued my life saying it the

33:48

other way. But you

33:52

know, probably the best example of

33:54

binary thinking is Trump derangement syndrome.

33:57

People who have TDS And it's. I

34:00

believe it is like a dye eggs

34:02

a simple thing. They are club textbook

34:04

examples of of binary thinking. I mean.

34:08

I. I I was talking with

34:10

a Jewish friends the other day.

34:13

And she is not.

34:15

Last. She's not liberals, she calls

34:17

herself a centrist, but every single

34:20

thing that she believes. Is

34:23

what Donald Trump did during his

34:25

first presidency. She believes that we need

34:27

to shut the border. She believes that

34:29

we need to cut taxes. She believes

34:32

that we need to. Probably believe

34:34

the washroom. See, I'm busy from some

34:36

of the season so only. Lived moving

34:38

the embassy from Told Reuters or isn't.

34:41

She loves the Abraham Accords. She loved

34:43

the sanctions on Iran. For hate strength

34:45

which she hates, trump rice and. I'm

34:47

sitting there and I'm going and she's so

34:50

smart and rational. I adore her enough, you

34:52

know her but I she's just the best

34:54

And I sat there with her and I

34:56

just said i really. I. Really

34:58

am just struggling to understand their

35:00

annual report in Rome. Okay are

35:03

not sure but guard things government

35:05

will will clarify after you. After

35:07

the South I'm. Unit.

35:09

But you know I'm all. My friends

35:12

are so amazing. I'm so blessed to

35:14

have whereas secrets and grew up. Fantastic!

35:16

Crisis. Supplement. Anyway, so

35:18

a bitch see. I

35:21

love her, but she just doesn't get it. And.

35:24

It literally it like the

35:26

arguments that did she makes

35:28

back or. Are.

35:31

You know, That. The he's going

35:33

to with he gets into office he's

35:35

gonna turn on the jews are he's.

35:37

Can write or North America and at an idea

35:39

what is her answer to but he was in

35:41

office of four years. What?

35:44

Does he do that? was bad. I

35:47

mean I I I typed in her class. I

35:51

ask those questions that. Makes you Doc.

35:53

For four years when he was pregnant

35:55

I did once every show I have

35:57

his record. I did not once. Term

36:00

Trump Derangement Syndrome. I thought it was

36:02

a little over the me you meet

36:04

you at I use a viable i

36:06

Am risk as I am convinced that

36:09

exists as I am of this microphones

36:11

existence. Yes of course spoke they you

36:13

know. Is see

36:15

Here's are entering and on myself. I

36:18

don't. I'm asking myself a do I

36:20

suppressed summers my. Criticisms.

36:22

Of Donald. Trump because I so believe right

36:24

now we need him back. I.

36:28

Don't I don't think idea. Of yeah I

36:30

know our our arms or am. I.

36:32

Think I'm pretty temperate about a i understand

36:34

people's concerns. I understand when he says yes

36:37

crazy stuff that it that it fitzroy Eight

36:39

worries people will I am a student That

36:41

I mean there was stuff that he did

36:43

was when I was or when I was

36:45

campaigning for him and I condemn. What?

36:48

What when he spoke about Ted

36:50

Cruz's wife? As and and

36:52

of course the yo what his name

36:54

The Marco Rubio. That and well, Marco

36:57

Rubio. But but the John Mccain I

36:59

was that was terrible. Know a

37:01

bit. The here's the thing I know

37:03

that I don't suppress my criticisms of

37:05

of Donald Trump. I always ask myself

37:08

as I do. I know. I down

37:10

and been shown can vouch for it. We talk about

37:12

it on on Timeless alot. How I really believe

37:14

that. He is the person

37:16

we need back but. Also, I

37:18

understand some people's concerns. The

37:20

here's the thing people project

37:23

their binary thinking on. To

37:25

us. I'm

37:27

I remember talking with a friend about Donald

37:30

Trump and she said will will you ever

37:32

criticize him or will you ever acknowledge that

37:34

he did You know he has some bad

37:36

qualities and I said yes Of course I

37:38

well. It. It's

37:40

so it's so ridiculous that that

37:42

trump voters. Aren't. Met

37:45

with this kind of scrutiny: Where

37:47

is Biden voters? Do do biden

37:49

voters ever have to apologize for

37:52

voting for Biden? Do Biden voters

37:54

ever have to qualify their support?

37:56

Our Biden voters asked, do you

37:59

indoors Every. Single thing that biden is

38:01

done. You know it's it's

38:03

or even asked to. Do you have

38:05

any resident? He shouldn't. Say that most

38:07

fighting voters are not as that. The

38:09

Trump voters are outlets. If you're

38:11

a trump voter, than it means. That.

38:14

You sooner endorse everything's of reality.

38:16

Big lesson to be learned here.

38:19

And you you are a

38:21

living memory. a bag or

38:24

memory server on this. And

38:27

will have we have we. Talked

38:30

about our lease recently. The.

38:32

Question of the character of.

38:35

Of leaders and m it's significance. I

38:37

know we've talked about it before that

38:40

that I don't think recently. So

38:43

I gotta. I got an email. And

38:46

I don't. Get. To see most of

38:48

my email but a periodic we

38:50

checked at the my Public and

38:52

dressed and is Dennis prager.com. So.

38:55

Somebody enters a thoughtful obviously person who

38:57

has respect for me and so on

38:59

and is written various back fully. But.

39:03

Took issue with my saying which I

39:05

did on my show. Something to the

39:07

effects of people are. People.

39:10

Confuse. Person.

39:14

Or. Ethical. Character.

39:19

And. Ability to do

39:21

good, In the macro. The

39:25

We Are to human beings were

39:27

micro and macro. Micro

39:29

was how I treat the people

39:31

in in my own life as

39:33

a my honesty in my daily

39:35

behavior and so on. The Macro

39:37

is. My. Positions on

39:40

social issues on large

39:42

issues. There are

39:44

not related. Or. Their minimally

39:46

related. So

39:48

that and and and I wish

39:51

they weren't. I wish that every

39:53

ethical kind person was wise about

39:55

macro matters, but I don't live

39:57

in make believe world. That make

39:59

believe world I got out and

40:02

I wish the opposite. I wish

40:04

that everybody who was awful and

40:06

their personal life was awful about

40:08

their views, but it doesn't work

40:10

that way to Moon Bay is

40:13

so with that I I have

40:15

no judgments about Donald Trump, the

40:17

man or minimal. Because.

40:19

I don't know him and I

40:22

and I. I've got mixed reports,

40:24

some very positive, some obviously vast

40:26

numbers that are negative. I don't

40:28

care. And.

40:31

And. I. Made this point.

40:33

A hundred times during the

40:36

twenty. Or twenty was

40:38

a twenty sixteen elections. The.

40:40

Campaigns When people call and know he did

40:43

this or we did this he said this.

40:46

And I said i just wanna know. Do.

40:48

You choose if you god forbid

40:50

had cancer. Would. You choose

40:52

your surgeon based on how kind

40:54

and nice they were. Stingray.

40:58

it's I. Am I'm in a steel that

41:00

line? Or. You ever heard me say

41:02

oh, I'm delighted Good good, Then.

41:05

I haven't said and are obviously of that is Julie

41:07

it is. There is a I guess if. Is

41:10

there any area of my pilot is

41:12

a bad gen our use pilots. I

41:15

actually used Pilot Out by Show yesterday.

41:17

Do you know about the character of

41:19

your Primus. It's.

41:22

How about this? You have a choice.

41:24

The most competent pilot is a in

41:27

it on Delta Airlines. Are

41:29

who is personally. Of

41:33

a cook regularly unfaithful to

41:35

his wife as a deadbeat

41:37

dad. As you

41:39

know, not reliable in business

41:42

dealings. Best. Pilot that

41:44

Delta has. Mediocre.

41:46

Pilot who's faithful to his wife,

41:48

a terrific father, great friend or

41:50

loyal A novice which was you

41:52

want to fly? You're playing. against

41:55

us it's a rhetorical question

41:57

everyone knows the answer will

41:59

again Listen, I understand that

42:01

in an ideal world, we

42:03

would want the President of the United States

42:05

to be an- Of course. Ideally, we want

42:08

both. Of course. George Washington was both. Yes.

42:12

But right now, we

42:14

are in a moment where

42:16

this is our choice. And I have

42:18

to- and of course, there are many parts of his

42:20

personal life or personal character that I don't

42:22

like. But frankly, I don't care. I'm

42:25

not voting for a husband. That's

42:27

right. I'm not marrying him. I'm voting for a president.

42:30

Right. Or

42:33

you're not voting for your pastor.

42:37

My pastor's character does matter because

42:39

he's supposed to embody my religion.

42:42

And here's where we- maybe

42:44

this is a utilitarian argument. In fact, I think it

42:46

is. But here's what really

42:49

just I don't understand. First

42:51

of all, if we're comparing Donald Trump to Joe Biden,

42:54

I don't want to hear it about character. I

42:56

don't want to hear it. Thank you. That's

42:58

right. Okay. That's right. This

43:01

is a lie that has been allowed that Joe

43:03

Biden is this decent upset- I don't want to

43:05

hear it on character about him. That's number

43:07

one. Number two, let's

43:09

say that Joe Biden was personally,

43:12

you know, character-wise the great

43:14

upstanding man that we have been told

43:16

that he is, and Donald Trump is

43:18

Donald Trump. Let's

43:20

look at their policies. Do

43:23

you think it is

43:25

someone with good character that

43:27

allows the kind of crime

43:30

that has been allowed to percolate

43:33

in our country continue? Well,

43:35

that's interesting. And you're blaming Joe Biden. That's a

43:37

challenge to me because what

43:39

you're saying is there is a link- I mean, you

43:41

may be right- between crappy character

43:43

and crappy politics. What I'm saying is if you

43:45

care about- Oh, yeah, but you're right. No, no.

43:49

I agree with you. You

43:51

should care if people are getting slaughtered because of this guy's

43:53

policies. That's correct. You should care that he

43:55

has given cash to one of- or

43:57

he has not given cash. speeches,

44:00

state of the union, his inaugural

44:02

address were the most hate filled

44:04

addresses of a president in

44:07

American history. But I'm, I

44:09

agree with you, but my point is

44:11

not about rhetoric. My point is about

44:13

on the ground effects and policies that

44:15

actually have an impact on people. And

44:18

if you look at Joe Biden's policies versus

44:21

Donald Trump's policies, if we're,

44:23

you know, I just don't understand

44:25

this whole like, oh, I'm a humanitarian.

44:27

I like, I want the, you know,

44:29

nice, upstanding decent guy. What if the

44:31

nice, upstanding decent guy is supporting these

44:34

DAs who let literal murderers

44:36

out on the street? What if the

44:39

nice decent guy is lifting sanctions on

44:41

one of the most evil regimes in

44:43

the world, Iran, so that that agent

44:45

of evil has more capacity to not

44:47

only harm its own citizens, but wreak

44:50

havoc globally. I just don't

44:52

get if you're this person who's so

44:54

concerned with decency and character. Oh,

44:57

so you care that, you know, Joe

44:59

Biden is, is loyal to his spouse, but

45:01

you don't care about his on the ground

45:03

policies, which leave people in body bags. I

45:06

don't get it. Somebody

45:10

help me. So people

45:14

always point with regard to Trump

45:17

to many things. One of them is the

45:19

comment that he made

45:21

to another guy many

45:24

years before he ran for office.

45:27

You know, if you're really famous and wealthy,

45:29

yeah, women let you do whatever you

45:31

want with it, right? Grab them by

45:33

their privates. Okay. So

45:36

this, this was, I know what

45:38

you're going to say. And it was so controversial

45:40

when you said it. Oh, and I'm adamant about

45:42

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46:51

think I'm right, I know I'm right. It

46:54

doesn't mean a damn thing that he said that. First

46:56

of all, he didn't say he doesn't. The

47:00

dishonesty of the left is

47:02

total because truth is not a left-wing

47:04

value. He didn't say I do

47:07

it. He said you can

47:09

do it if you're famous and wealthy. To

47:12

a very large extent, he's right. Look

47:15

at all of the groupies that

47:18

throw themselves at rock stars at

47:20

concerts. What

47:24

he said is largely true. Of course,

47:26

it's not true about every woman. That

47:28

doesn't mean that it should happen. It

47:30

doesn't mean it should happen. It doesn't

47:32

defend it happening and it doesn't mean

47:34

he did it. But

47:37

even beyond all that, if

47:41

we start judging, this is where we live

47:43

in the age of no wisdom. We're

47:46

going to start judging people by what

47:48

they say privately? Oh

47:52

man, we're all screwed.

47:54

Oh yeah, everybody's screwed. Everybody!

47:57

Everybody's screwed. Well...

47:59

You... That means you can

48:01

never vent to your wife or your

48:03

husband. You have to watch

48:05

every word you say to your wife

48:07

or husband about anything you think about

48:11

because you will be recorded. Well,

48:14

that's this, oh my God,

48:16

this is a Dennis and Julie episode unto

48:18

its own because when people vent

48:21

in private, a

48:23

lot of the times they are going

48:25

to say something that is wildly exaggerated.

48:27

Yes, that's right. Because every

48:29

human being knows this. When you're

48:31

mad at your boss or you're mad at

48:34

your friend or your spouse, you go, this person

48:37

is such a blank, sometimes you just have

48:39

to let it out. Well, how about I feel

48:41

like killing him? Yes. Oh,

48:44

really? Of course. Are you really going

48:46

to do it? Of course, are you

48:48

nuts? But there's no, this

48:51

whole privacy point is so important. Another,

48:55

I mean, the biggest example of it is that

48:59

we now on college campuses

49:01

and not just on college campuses, but

49:03

in the workplace, just generally in American

49:05

society, people's

49:09

opinions are taken to be

49:11

their affirmative stances,

49:14

like for perpetuity on the subject.

49:17

And I remember in college, all

49:20

of us sort of felt like if we were in a discussion,

49:22

you would be really careful about

49:24

what you said, because then you would

49:26

be understood as the person

49:29

who believed what it is that you

49:31

said about the subject. And

49:33

yes, of course, you have to stand by your words. But

49:36

this is the thing I am so adamant about.

49:38

I wish I could scream it from the rooftops.

49:42

Part of growing intellectually is saying

49:45

something that actually you may not fully

49:47

believe, but kind of

49:50

throwing it out there and testing it. You

49:52

know how many times on Dennis and Julie, let me

49:54

just tell you, I have had

49:56

like a, you know, 80% of the way there. theory

50:00

about something or a 90% or even

50:03

like a 60% of the way there and

50:05

you know what I've done I've said I've

50:07

been thinking about this lately. I'd like to

50:09

offer it for your consideration I've thrown it

50:12

out here and we've bounced it off each

50:14

other and maybe by the end of the

50:16

episode. I'm a little different Now

50:19

people ask me all the time. Why

50:21

do you put your face on the internet at 24? What

50:24

if your beliefs change and then your faces

50:26

on the internet having said things that you

50:28

don't no longer believe? You know my

50:30

response to them is okay, then my face is

50:32

on the internet saying things that I no longer believe

50:35

Big whoop am I not allowed to

50:37

evolve? How

50:41

do you evolve without pushing

50:43

the boundaries a bit? The

50:48

reason that I'm silent and

50:50

smiling is because

50:53

I so deeply

50:55

relate to that And

50:59

Okay, this is gonna This

51:01

will tick people off that

51:03

you have realized this at your

51:05

age is very impressive But I

51:07

don't fear the cancel culture mob.

51:09

I don't I don't hear them.

51:11

It's all fear. Guess what? That

51:14

is such a good It's all

51:17

fear. I have all

51:19

my life. I have taken

51:21

risks with positions Yes with

51:23

ideas with behavior. Do

51:25

you know? How nervous

51:27

I was and I very rarely get

51:29

nervous. I Mean if

51:32

you told me I would speak to 40

51:34

million people I you know, I could eat

51:36

an apple while doing it It

51:38

has no effect But I

51:41

was really nervous the first time I

51:43

conducted an orchestra. Mm-hmm. I

51:45

I am NOT a professional musician

51:47

I'm an avid amateur If

51:50

obviously somewhat accomplished or it couldn't

51:53

have happened, but I knew

51:56

Every one of those musicians is a

51:58

pro and I'm not Yeah. And.

52:02

A. Or are fully

52:05

rational. Decision might have been

52:07

Dennis. Keep

52:09

conducting your audio system. Don't

52:13

don't don't stand in front of

52:15

real musicians. And and conduct

52:17

that would have been a much

52:19

more rational thing. All

52:22

of my life has been. The

52:25

risk taking oh you'll love this of

52:27

this is one of my favorite stories.

52:31

At the age of twenty

52:33

four, your age. I

52:35

said to Joseph to most can also

52:37

twenty four We've known each other since

52:40

high school said joseph you know wherever

52:42

I go out of your I had

52:44

already begun giving speeches. And

52:47

and as if I get the

52:49

saying questions. Occurs then

52:51

then my speeches were within Jewish life.

52:54

And. I said a kid

52:56

doesn't like at the same questions. We

52:58

should write a brochure answering the questions

53:01

people have about Judaism a bro heat

53:03

or I thought we could do it

53:05

over a week anyway. A private hundreds

53:08

of the spot. a lot and it

53:10

took. it. Took two years but doesn't

53:12

matter, that's not the point I'm making.

53:14

Here's the Point movement. So Joseph. Tells

53:17

his mother who he was very close

53:19

to. His late mom's very special woman.

53:22

That. The you know, mud adenosine. I

53:25

want to write a book. And.

53:27

Introduction to Judaism. For.

53:29

Reaction. Is it completely

53:31

rational One She said

53:33

joseph. You

53:36

two or twenty four years old? Some.

53:38

Of the. Finest. Rabbinic

53:41

Mines is written introductions

53:43

to Judaism. What?

53:45

Are you gonna say that they didn't?

53:47

Sir Joseph came back to be the

53:49

oh is Dennis. Want to wait till

53:52

my brother and I said tell your

53:54

mother then we will write the best

53:56

introduction to Judaism in it and least

53:58

in English that has. Written. That.

54:01

Has been really love that story. As

54:04

it turned out, we did such

54:06

as it's still in print forty

54:08

five years later, and it's the

54:10

best selling introduction to Judaism in

54:12

the English language. I'm an avid

54:15

deserves to be. Up

54:17

a book. but it was a

54:19

risk. I'll tell you how big

54:21

a risk we published it. Become.

54:24

The and then Triad. So it's whose

54:26

money out of our pockets to publish

54:28

it? To. Typesetted to to

54:31

printed to bind it yeah I

54:33

think to select the paper. Are

54:36

A was it was and we were.

54:38

Neither of us was rich to say

54:40

the least. It.

54:42

Was a risk to to conduct the

54:44

orchestra. So. Many

54:47

of the things I've written were risks.

54:49

Just what you're saying. I threw out

54:51

ideas. am I knew when I wrote

54:53

it? I might be wrong. but how

54:56

am I gonna know? What if I

54:58

don't get feedback? Absolutely. As a it's.

55:01

It's so true. It's like. I.

55:04

Learned the most from when I say something

55:06

and when I throw something out there and

55:09

I was. Partially. Wrong

55:11

or I didn't consider something and

55:13

someone pointed. Out to me. Those things

55:16

are seared in my memory and the

55:18

and that is what is allowed me

55:20

to growl it's it's just so sad

55:22

now that the the amount of slides

55:24

that that is. Thrown. At People. I mean

55:26

I remember when I was starting this sub.

55:29

People said to me, you're crazy. You're.

55:32

Crazy. What? Why would you

55:34

put your face on the internet saying

55:36

these incredibly controversial things? He.

55:39

Let's see sale at it. You

55:41

know, Goldman Sachs isn't gonna hire youth. Not that I want

55:43

to be hired by Goldman Sachs are there are. No,

55:46

no rap was decisive. Rifle with a

55:48

perfect example. Day without or not you.

55:50

What if you're wrong? The s

55:52

one oh so that only thing that really hurts

55:54

you. Will. Totally. But they people would say

55:56

it that you know. There.

55:58

are so many places that won't hire you,

56:01

you know, there are people who won't

56:03

want to associate you with you. And my

56:05

response to them was, you're

56:08

right. And

56:10

that's true right now. I mean, if I

56:12

decide to pivot and I'm not pivoting, I'm,

56:14

I'm staying right here. But if I ever

56:16

decide to, to pivot, there are a

56:18

lot of places that won't hire me. Of course,

56:20

because of what I've done, there are

56:22

a lot of, you know, there already

56:25

are a lot of people who want

56:27

to know is so Dennis, who exactly

56:29

was the Dennis. I'll be like, Oh,

56:32

we can keep that detail. Yeah. Private

56:34

for now. But are

56:36

you telling me that even if that's the case, that

56:38

this wasn't worth it? That

56:42

of course this, this was and

56:44

is worth it. Not

56:47

even a bleeping question.

56:50

The lesson here. No,

56:52

I'll just say quickly. I think I

56:54

want to hear what you think the lesson is. But I

56:56

think the lesson is don't fear not

56:59

only woke cancel culture, because that was

57:01

the genesis of this discussion that people

57:03

fear in class pushing the boundaries, but

57:06

sort of like life cancel culture. That's

57:08

right. Failure. That's right. That

57:11

was it. You took the words. I'm glad

57:13

I didn't. You were going to say life

57:15

cancel culture. No, I was going to say

57:17

don't fear failure. Yeah. You won't

57:19

succeed if you fear failing. I

57:21

mean, it didn't sound like a cliche. I'll

57:23

live with that. But that's that

57:26

is the answer. I'll tell you,

57:28

by the way, and there are times I did

57:30

get in trouble. There

57:32

have been times I've gotten in trouble too. Well, so

57:36

what what are you? Well, I mean, the

57:38

Quran thing. Yeah. I mean, I that

57:40

doesn't mean you were wrong. I don't think you were wrong

57:42

on that. Well, I was wrong with the one line. What

57:45

did you say? There was one line in my

57:47

essay that I wish I had not written. The

57:51

essay was, well, for those who don't know,

57:53

this is how many years ago with that?

57:56

15 years ago. When

57:59

Keith was he's

58:02

now Attorney General of Minnesota. He's

58:05

a left-wing Democrat

58:10

and he was congressman.

58:13

He was a congressman from Minnesota and

58:16

he was going to take his oath on the Quran

58:19

and I and it would have been if

58:21

I think it was going to be the first time that

58:24

a congressman or senator or president

58:27

was not going to use the Bible.

58:29

I know that there were a few

58:32

cases of presidents like for example Teddy

58:34

Roosevelt after McKinley was assassinated they couldn't

58:36

find a Bible or

58:38

one president thought that it's sacrilegious

58:40

to use the Bible but really

58:44

on early president I don't remember yeah it

58:46

was an interesting thing you thought this is

58:48

a secular role president so I I

58:51

don't want to confuse the two but it

58:53

was out of reverence for the Bible not

58:55

out of rejecting it. I see. Nobody's ever

58:57

rejected it. So he

58:59

says I'm not doing the Bible I'm doing the

59:02

Quran and I and I wrote I I

59:04

wrote that as far as

59:06

oaths are concerned the Bible is America's

59:08

book and has always been

59:11

and I and I even said

59:13

I don't believe

59:15

in the New Testament that is not my

59:17

Bible that is that is the Christian Bible.

59:19

Right. But I would take

59:21

an oath if I were if I were elected

59:23

I would take an oath on the Bible

59:26

and which it includes the Old

59:28

and New Testaments. Because this is

59:30

our civilization. Because this is my

59:32

civilization. It's I am honoring my

59:34

society that is correct the

59:36

people who made the freest country in

59:39

the world believed in the Old and

59:41

the New Testaments. So I

59:43

honor them by doing it. You should honor

59:45

them and I even said I have such

59:47

great admiration for Mormons I wrote that in

59:50

my column but if a Mormon said I'm

59:52

not going to use the Bible I'll only

59:54

use the Book of Mormon I would have

59:56

objected then to this has nothing to do

59:59

with You're being Muslim,

1:00:01

but I did and everything I wrote

1:00:04

is legit When I

1:00:06

got in trouble for one line, he should

1:00:08

not be allowed to do it. I wrote

1:00:10

and and that Okay,

1:00:14

that was wrong. There was it was wrong

1:00:16

right, but okay, but of course, but

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what you got The

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1:00:41

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you will. You will. But

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that's fine. I mean, what's

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Well, people want to. But

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that's what I tell myself sometimes when I'm on the

1:02:50

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1:02:52

maybe you should have phrased that differently or you should have,

1:02:54

okay, I should have phrased it differently. But

1:02:59

there's room to recover. There's room to grow. And

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1:03:12

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didn't grow up with this. Most people

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didn't. Or

1:03:20

at least not since the post-World War II era. I

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think earlier people did.

1:03:27

I don't even think, and I

1:03:30

was going to say, I wonder

1:03:32

how many of your

1:03:34

classmates at Harvard would even know the

1:03:36

definition of the word aphorism. Do

1:03:39

you think they would? I'm not trying to. I

1:03:41

didn't learn it until after college. The word aphorism?

1:03:43

No, I didn't. Okay, so that, okay,

1:03:45

perfect. And I only, no.

1:03:47

I grew up on aphorisms. These

1:03:50

are, which is. They're such gems. Oh,

1:03:52

oh, they shaped my life. So here's

1:03:54

an example. Most of them were Jewish

1:03:56

aphorisms. And

1:03:59

here's the one. It is from

1:04:01

the Talmud the second holiest work in

1:04:03

Judaism after the Bible and and

1:04:05

it says I'll say it in Hebrew Only

1:04:09

because that's how I remember it and

1:04:11

because it's fun for people to hear

1:04:13

lo habaishan No made the

1:04:15

easily embarrassed person doesn't

1:04:17

learn Is

1:04:20

it that brilliant okay Dennis

1:04:24

So often we are in sync without realizing

1:04:26

that we're in sync. I Have

1:04:29

been obsessed lately with aphorisms and I didn't know

1:04:32

about them until after I graduated from college You

1:04:34

want to know the proof that I've been obsessed

1:04:36

with them recently? Look what I just pulled out

1:04:38

of my bag I carry this

1:04:40

around with me in my bag. It's William Bennett's

1:04:42

book And by

1:04:45

the way, he wrote I saw the

1:04:47

into one of your books or the

1:04:49

forward excuse you got to one of your books I think

1:04:51

it was think a second time and this

1:04:53

book everyone. Yeah, he reviewed

1:04:55

it Oh, why don't you even know the the best part about

1:04:57

all of it? A Dennis and Julie listener

1:05:00

wrote into me and told me to read

1:05:02

this Is

1:05:04

it yes, I'm carrying it around in my

1:05:06

bag right here. It shows you how

1:05:08

best I am I would love you to meet

1:05:11

him. He's such a good man. No, he's quite

1:05:13

old. I'd love to get him on timeless but

1:05:17

Aphorisms I am telling

1:05:19

you I mean, I don't need

1:05:21

to tell you but I'm they I have

1:05:24

the chills They're like the best therapy in the

1:05:26

world Oh They are the

1:05:28

best life instruction and they are consent by

1:05:30

the way This this will be a real

1:05:32

this will really take off the the compliment

1:05:34

people. This will be a real compliment to you. I Think

1:05:38

the way that you speak Is

1:05:41

akin to aphorisms. Oh,

1:05:43

that's true. You speak in aphorism. Yes, I do

1:05:46

you have a remarkable ability, right? I agree with

1:05:48

who really hitting the four and a half minute

1:05:50

mark today, but screw it You

1:05:53

have a remarkable ability to say yeah,

1:05:55

by the way, the reason that it's

1:05:58

not bad for you to say

1:06:00

it or me to agree. It's a gift.

1:06:03

I don't I don't take credit for

1:06:05

it. That's right. If I could

1:06:07

play the piano great it would be a gift. That's

1:06:09

how I think. Can I

1:06:12

reduce a complex idea to

1:06:14

an aphorism? You can say

1:06:16

something literally it's like four words and

1:06:19

it's both so simple and

1:06:21

so profound. That's what aphorisms are.

1:06:23

And that's what aphorisms are exactly but this

1:06:25

book everyone for I'm sure many of you

1:06:27

are aware of it but it's

1:06:30

called the book of virtues and William Bennett who

1:06:33

is he was the Secretary of Education right

1:06:35

he was Secretary of

1:06:37

Education and drugs are I

1:06:39

didn't realize that wow and

1:06:42

he divides this book into I think

1:06:45

nine I can look

1:06:47

right now nine different

1:06:50

virtues self-discipline compassion

1:06:52

responsibility friendship work

1:06:54

courage which Hillary Clinton says

1:06:56

the all-class has and broves perseverance

1:06:58

honesty loyalty and faith so ten

1:07:02

and he picks the

1:07:04

the he takes

1:07:07

paragraphs or aphorisms or

1:07:10

poems from the best works ever

1:07:13

in like human civilization that

1:07:15

pertain to one of those aforementioned virtues and

1:07:17

puts them in the chapter so you can

1:07:19

just flip to a random page on you

1:07:21

know courage and you can find

1:07:24

just a random little blurb so

1:07:27

you know about this because the listener and

1:07:29

Julie left our told wrote to me and

1:07:32

said aren't you thrilled I have

1:07:34

I mean what page are you up to

1:07:37

so this is the thing about this book

1:07:39

I'm not up to

1:07:41

a page let's see if I can

1:07:44

find one I really really hope I'm

1:07:46

gonna find the courage under the courage there's one

1:07:48

that is so that

1:07:51

is so apropos of our discussion

1:07:58

I really hope to find it but it's about taking

1:08:03

risks. Yeah, it's about care. It's

1:08:05

actually about carrying on, but it's

1:08:07

sort of it's about carrying on

1:08:09

through through difficulty and failure. If

1:08:12

I can't find it, I'll link it in the in

1:08:14

the description box, but people should really mention

1:08:17

it next time. Yeah, I'll mention it next

1:08:19

time. I'm sorry. It's a 900 page

1:08:21

book, right? Kind of hard to find, but I

1:08:25

would I would love you to have him on. I'll

1:08:29

contact him. Remind me. Well,

1:08:31

that's very kind of you. Well, we're very close. Do you

1:08:34

know that his son, Bill Bennett was

1:08:36

in my kitchen when this

1:08:38

happened? Okay. That's cool that he was in your kitchen.

1:08:40

Oh yeah, no, no, no. We're very close. And

1:08:45

Bill Bennett, his

1:08:50

son is there. His son had just

1:08:52

graduated from Princeton. That's right. Good for

1:08:54

you. That's the one I've given to

1:08:56

you from. And he

1:08:59

looks at me and he goes,

1:09:01

Dennis, I just want you to

1:09:03

know. Oh, is that you? Yes. So

1:09:05

sorry. I was looking up the poem, but I'm

1:09:07

totally listening. No, no, no, no,

1:09:09

I just I didn't know what it was. I thought

1:09:12

it came from Sean. So did

1:09:15

it come from you, Sean? See, my view

1:09:17

is blame it on Sean. I agree. I

1:09:19

believe the perfect person to blame. Very important.

1:09:21

It's always his fault. So

1:09:23

his son looks at me and he goes, Dennis, I

1:09:26

just want you to know in front of his father,

1:09:28

I learned more at Prager University than at

1:09:31

Princeton University. He said that? This is so

1:09:33

long ago. We maybe had 150, that's 700

1:09:35

videos up. Put that on the website, PragerU's

1:09:43

website, that Bill Bennett's

1:09:45

Princeton graduate son. You're

1:09:48

right. We should. You're right. God,

1:09:51

I wonder how old the son is now. That

1:09:54

must have been. That was

1:09:56

the beginning of PragerU. But

1:09:59

it's true. You learned you'll definitely learn more

1:10:01

at PragerU than at PrincetonU. It's not an issue.

1:10:03

Now, I'm not

1:10:06

talking about science, technology, engineering, math, but

1:10:10

just about anything else. If

1:10:13

somebody watched the 700 videos we

1:10:15

have up or 650, whatever it

1:10:17

is, and did the reading, it would

1:10:20

be better than almost any university

1:10:23

education by far. Oh,

1:10:26

I mean, I agree. I have said

1:10:28

this so many times, having graduated recently

1:10:30

from one of these universities. I

1:10:33

adore PragerU. PragerU,

1:10:36

I always say, has made me

1:10:38

a healthier, happier person. It

1:10:40

hasn't just made me conservative. It's

1:10:43

made me happier and healthier. I do

1:10:45

want to read a few. Not something Yale can say.

1:10:50

It's sad, really, actually.

1:10:52

A lot of... What

1:10:55

are you looking up? Okay,

1:10:58

so this you'll... I'm using your

1:11:00

line. This you'll find to be fascinating. You know

1:11:03

the poem, If, by Rudyard

1:11:06

Kipling? Oh,

1:11:08

I know it's titled, but I don't remember

1:11:10

its content. So I

1:11:12

mentioned the other day to my

1:11:14

uncle that I

1:11:16

had discovered that... I adore your uncle. I know.

1:11:18

That's so sweet of you to say thank you. He

1:11:20

adores you too. My uncle's quite a character. And

1:11:24

I said to my uncle the other day that I was

1:11:26

flipping through this book, and I just called him and I

1:11:29

said, I stumbled upon

1:11:31

this lovely poem, If, by

1:11:33

Rudyard Kipling. And he then recited

1:11:35

it. He recited it and he

1:11:37

goes... I knew it. I know you...

1:11:39

Well, knowing him, he recited it. But also

1:11:41

he went... He goes, your

1:11:45

generation is so screwed.

1:11:48

You don't know that poem, If?

1:11:50

He said, when I was growing

1:11:52

up, everybody knew the poem, If.

1:11:55

Can I read a little bit of it? It's

1:11:57

sort of about what we're talking about. It's

1:11:59

actually a little... long so if

1:12:02

you can keep your head when all about you

1:12:04

are losing theirs and blaming it on you if

1:12:06

you can trust yourself when all men doubt

1:12:09

you but make allowance for their doubting too

1:12:11

just what we said just what we said

1:12:14

if you can wait and not be

1:12:16

tired by waiting or be

1:12:18

lied about don't deal in lies

1:12:21

or be hated don't give way to

1:12:23

hating and yet don't look too good nor talk

1:12:25

to eyes if you can

1:12:27

dream and not make dreams your master if

1:12:30

you can think and not make thoughts your

1:12:32

aim if you can

1:12:34

meet triumph and disaster and treat those

1:12:37

two imposters just the same if

1:12:39

you can bear to hear the truth you've

1:12:41

spoken twisted by naves this is so deep

1:12:43

it's so deep I know I feel like I'm flying

1:12:46

through it but it's so you are flying through oh

1:12:48

should I no no no no you can't if you

1:12:50

can no no every

1:12:55

that the triumph and disaster as it

1:12:57

actually go back to that imposters if

1:13:00

you can meet triumph and disaster and treat

1:13:02

those two imposters just the same that

1:13:05

line as you said is

1:13:08

everything a

1:13:10

lot of success and a lot of failure that

1:13:12

they are they are imposters they're

1:13:16

both illusory I think it's Kipling who said

1:13:18

a woman is

1:13:20

only a woman but

1:13:23

a good cigar is a great smoke

1:13:29

okay so this is this is what I

1:13:31

was saying at the beginning of the episode I don't

1:13:34

know if this is a joke okay

1:13:36

it's just irrelevant okay well you want

1:13:38

to know

1:13:44

what the if ending is because he's saying all

1:13:46

the yes of course I know everybody's

1:13:48

hey right for daylight then you will

1:13:50

lead a good life yeah but

1:13:53

the last well the last line you

1:13:55

know would send some woke people sending

1:13:57

down a spiral of a dark hole but you

1:13:59

know he goes on if you can walk

1:14:01

with crowds and keep your virtue of you

1:14:03

if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt

1:14:06

you if you can fill the unforgiving minute

1:14:09

yours is the earth and everything that's in

1:14:11

it and which is more you'll be a

1:14:13

man my son that's

1:14:15

how it ends you'll be a man

1:14:17

that's right that's correct now that

1:14:19

would send woke people spiraling but we

1:14:23

lost what does it mean to be a man

1:14:25

what does it mean to be a sturdy

1:14:27

person we've lost all

1:14:30

that of course the number of times my father

1:14:32

was said to be be a man or

1:14:35

be a mensch which is the you know the

1:14:37

year of things yeah you

1:14:39

never heard the term of course I have yeah

1:14:41

no the same thing and then that's exactly what

1:14:44

it is Shawn tells us that

1:14:46

we have to end yes but

1:14:48

he thought it was a really good thing to

1:14:50

end on the is often said

1:14:52

to me in private Dennis

1:14:54

if you could just do Kipling's if yes

1:14:58

we'll have a better day and Jay

1:15:00

yeah but no that it's

1:15:02

not an aphorism but people should

1:15:04

get this book every every

1:15:06

week you should pick out one

1:15:09

aphorism from from Bill

1:15:11

Bennett's book I'm not kidding okay

1:15:14

I literally am implementing that on timeless I

1:15:16

thought about this earlier this week that every

1:15:18

single start of the episode starting next week

1:15:21

I'm gonna pick something really

1:15:24

yes I love it how

1:15:27

can people reach us by listening

1:15:29

to you right now Julie

1:15:31

at Julie dash Hartman calm I

1:15:33

love hearing from you clearly I

1:15:35

also take heed your advice which

1:15:37

is mostly fantastic so thank you and

1:15:40

you can follow me on Instagram and Twitter at

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Julie R Hartman you can follow Dennis at the

1:15:45

Dennis Prager and that's on Instagram

1:15:47

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1:15:49

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1:15:53

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