In this episode you will hear Inês and Filip interview an old colleague: Karen Groenink, Head of Product Strategy & Design at Speakap.

Karen has had quite an interesting career so far. Her education wasn’t in the design space at all, but she soon discovered it was a perfect fit for her. Karen can particularly be seen as a pioneer in designing for mobile.

Her career ranges from Dutch telco KPN, to tech giant Google, to financials like ABN Amro and ING.

Karen had changed her job right before the COVID-pandemic hit; hear her explain how this has impacted her daily work.