Sarah Lawlor (host) speaks to Jeff Elliot, Environmental Sustainability Change Lead at ANZ, just as Melbourne lockdown 2.0 is lifting. 
The conversation begins with Jeff's roots as a greenie kid and wannabe parks ranger, and goes on to explore empathy, diversity of experience, and why he hates being called a leader.
Design Conscious is a podcast exploring diversity and leadership in environmental sustainability in the built environment, supported by NAWIC.