After 65 episodes, today’s show is the last episode of our podcast, Design To Be Conversation. There are big shifts happening behind the scenes with Design To Be and closing the chapter on our podcast will allow us to take the proper next steps to what’s ahead. Thank you all for listening. Now, for our final episode!

Jehad Affoneh is a design and product leader who's led design, product, and engineering teams most recently at VMware and Splunk. He is currently Chief Design Officer at Toast, leading the product, customer, and end-to-end experience that empowers tens of thousands of restaurants to delight their guests, do what they love, and thrive. He lives with his wife in Redwood City, California.

We chat about why designers struggle to build end-to-end experiences, why many organizations ship their org structure, the ways to avoid this,  and ways you can think this through.