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the night of December first, two thousand

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and Seventeen. Maggie Long, a seventeen year

0:42

old high school student. Was. Found

0:45

dead in our families world Billie

0:47

Colorado home which had been burglarized

0:49

and set on fire. Investigators

0:51

later determined that Maggie had been

0:53

physically assaulted. Than. Lit on fire

0:56

while she was still alive. It's

0:58

been just over six years since

1:00

Maggie was brutally murdered and investigators

1:02

are still searching for the people

1:04

responsible. Hey

1:36

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1:38

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1:40

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1:42

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1:53

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1:55

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1:57

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2:18

case. Maggie Long. It's the

2:20

impact. We have one victim. But.

2:23

We have potentially three or

2:25

four suspects. We. Have

2:27

items that were. Allegedly

2:29

stolen neck that could still be out there

2:32

may be tracked down. On. We

2:34

have a witness that were unaware of it. This

2:36

time we know of one witness. There may be

2:38

others. And. At.

2:41

The at the root of it all we just have a really

2:43

tragic story of a young. Girl. Who was

2:45

still in high school. And was

2:47

taken from her family and taken for most far

2:49

too early. And the be people

2:52

responsible for her horrific death which

2:54

will get into tonight with going

2:56

into too many details distal after.

2:58

Just. A walking amongst us. They haven't

3:00

been held accountable for what they've they've

3:03

gone, they haven't answered for the crime

3:05

they've committed, and although this case took

3:07

place six years ago that still relatively

3:09

new when it comes to cold cases,

3:11

this isn't even a cold. Cases are

3:13

still are very relevant and very solvable.

3:15

so I want to get this information

3:17

out there. There's a huge reward associated

3:19

with it as well. not that that

3:21

should matter one way or the other,

3:23

but but it it does play a

3:25

factor. For some people, it's as call

3:27

it what it is. So without

3:29

wasting any more time, let's get right into

3:31

it. Maggie. Long. Born

3:34

on December seventeenth. Nineteen Ninety

3:36

Nine. Was. The Third: Zelda Sun

3:38

and Heather Long. Chinese. Immigrants

3:40

who fled to the United States from

3:42

A V the Mean refugee camp in

3:44

the nineteen seventies. The couple worked

3:46

tirelessly in the restaurant industry and eventually

3:49

came to own several restaurants and a

3:51

liquor store and be we colorado. A.

3:53

Small town around an hour south west

3:55

of Denver. When. Maggie was a

3:57

toddler. The long family moved into their dream

3:59

home. Located in a thirty seven

4:01

hundred block of County road Forty Three, A.

4:04

Very rural area around ten minutes

4:06

outside of Bailey. The. Home Side

4:08

a quarter of a mile off the main

4:10

road and was surrounded by twenty seven acres

4:12

of secluded woodlands. Not. A long's

4:15

six thousand square foot home featured in in Los

4:17

We on the second for but it also had

4:19

an apartment in the attic which was rented out

4:21

by a non family member which will get into

4:24

more in a little bit. And. Two

4:26

thousand and fourteen Maggie started attending Plaque

4:28

Can in high school. And

4:30

according to the King and Courier

4:32

maggie teachers and friends described for

4:35

is kind, generous, ambitious, And

4:37

passionate about everything. Maggie was

4:39

deeply involved in her school community. Participating.

4:42

In numerous extracurricular activities

4:44

including softball, Student council,

4:46

Key club, National Honor

4:49

society, speech, debate, In

4:51

theater. In. Late Two thousand

4:53

and seventeen. Maggie Now a senior.

4:56

How To Plan a Concert at The High School

4:58

featuring several bands from Denver. A

5:00

concert was scheduled for the evening of

5:02

Friday December first. On. That

5:04

day, Maggie attended classes and Plaque Canyon

5:07

High School Like normal. After

5:09

school let out around to forty pm. Maggie.

5:11

Me to twenty minute drive home to change

5:13

clothes and grab snacks for the concert. But.

5:16

She never returned. This

5:18

worried everyone. Maggie was always responsible and

5:20

wouldn't miss something important. But.

5:23

Mag friends tried calling her. All

5:25

they got was her voice mail. Around

5:27

the same time, the tenant who lived

5:29

in the Lungs family attic apartment texted

5:31

Baggies older sister Connie to say he

5:33

was hearing quite a few loud noises

5:35

coming from the downstairs area. Now.

5:38

The tenant has never been publicly named, so

5:40

I'm going to refer to him as ten,

5:42

but obviously that's not his real name. According

5:44

to the flume, the noises were still

5:47

occurring around seven pm. So. Tim

5:49

called nine one one from his apartment. He

5:51

reported that people were downstairs arguing,

5:54

being violent, smashing things, And.

5:56

Attempting to set the house on fire. Tim.

5:58

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to get. The persona.

8:06

right? So we're back. Now. Deputies from

8:09

the Park County Sheriff's office as well

8:11

as firefighters from multiple districts responded to

8:13

the house just before seven twelve Pm.

8:16

At they headed up the quarter mile long

8:18

driveway, they could see visible flames in the

8:20

home six car garage. As. Firefighters went

8:23

to work extinguishing, the fire deputies focused

8:25

on looking up the three vehicles parked

8:27

at the scene. They. Learn that

8:29

one of the vehicles was Maggie is another

8:31

belong to Mag his father son. And.

8:34

The third was registered to Tim, who at this

8:36

point was still refusing to come out of the

8:38

attic apartment. Shortly. After that,

8:40

Maggie sister Carney showed up at the house

8:42

and told police that Maggie was missing. And.

8:45

That she hadn't shown up at the high school for the

8:47

concert like she was supposed to. Tiny.

8:49

Also, inform police that her father was out of

8:51

town on a business trip in California at the

8:53

time. He. With currently working on

8:56

acquiring apartment complex in that state. At.

8:58

Around seven thirty ten called mag his

9:00

mother had who's working at one of

9:02

the family's restaurants. To tell her that

9:04

he heard a loud bang and then all the lights went

9:06

out in the house. The. Restaurant was

9:09

busy so the manager suggested Heather stay

9:11

behind. And. That the manager would take others

9:13

vehicle to the house to see what was going on.

9:16

The. Manager was not able to reach the home

9:18

due to the number of law enforcement. An

9:20

emergency vehicles the rat the seen. The.

9:22

Manager then called Heather and said she come

9:24

out to the house immediately. A. Couple

9:26

who was dining at the restaurant then offered to

9:28

give had a ride over to the house. And.

9:31

After had arrived she and her daughter

9:33

county. Weren't. Told what was going

9:35

on by law enforcement or first responders. They.

9:38

Had no idea where Maggie was, if she was

9:40

at the house, if the people who said the

9:42

house on fire had kidnapped her, or she was

9:45

somewhere else completely. Son. Was also

9:47

notified about Maggie disappearance and the fire

9:49

and book the next flight home to

9:51

Colorado. Firefighters. Continued trying

9:53

to put the flames are unclear the house

9:55

of all possible occupants. Just before

9:57

a pm, they reported to dispatch.

10:00

The barricaded room that they were trying to

10:02

get into. Not exact location

10:04

of the room has never been publicized,

10:06

but it's possible they were talking about

10:08

the unit that Tim was currently staying

10:10

and because minutes after they made the

10:12

call, the dispatch tim finally agreed to

10:14

leave the attic apartments and spoke with

10:16

detectives. And now wants had been

10:18

located. There was still no sign of Maggie. So.

10:21

Firefighters continue putting out the fire and searching

10:23

the house. The. Flu reported that a

10:25

d twelve pm the far had been

10:27

completely extinguished. Firefighters. Than

10:29

as dispatched to call the Colorado Bureau

10:32

of Investigations. Because. They had discovered

10:34

quote numerous starts to the fire. indicating

10:36

that the far had been an arson. Now.

10:39

Real quick. I can't tell you exactly

10:41

what the indicators would have been for

10:43

this particular incident. Because it's an open

10:45

investigation, they haven't share that information. But.

10:48

I can tell you as a detective we do take.

10:50

Different. Classes regarding arson and so

10:52

that we can. Initially identify

10:55

some possible indications of

10:57

of an accelerant. Or.

11:00

An area where the fire was started. In.

11:02

Some situations as a investigator yoga when they're

11:04

and I will tell this is usually a

11:06

collaborative effort. With. The Fire Department and

11:08

the fire Marshal especially in Rhode Island. But.

11:11

We'll go in there and will do a preliminary

11:13

search and try to see if there's anything that

11:16

stands out to us. and also in in some

11:18

cases you can actually smell. The. Accelerant

11:20

which in. A lot of scenarios

11:22

as gasoline. So. As

11:24

this story progresses, I'm not gonna spoil it

11:27

for you hear? you might have an indication

11:29

of what. One of those indicators

11:31

were as far as a possible accelerant,

11:33

But yeah, they. they obviously firefighters are

11:35

trained in doing this, so the minute

11:37

that they're out there. They do

11:39

these things all the time. They know when

11:41

a fire is an electrical fire or robbed

11:44

a gas fire from a stove or something

11:46

like that, or grease fire. and they know

11:48

when something's been deliberately set based on where

11:51

it started and maybe the sites and smells

11:53

that they encounter as soon as they put

11:55

out the fire itself. Now.

11:57

Though the firefighters called for the C B I.

12:00

Keep searching the house for any remaining

12:02

occupants. And. At approximately eleven

12:04

pm. Be. Requested a corner come

12:06

to the scene after a body was found

12:08

in the bedroom. The body was assumed to

12:10

be baggies, but they wouldn't know for sure

12:13

until an autopsy was completed. The

12:15

following day on December second. The.

12:17

C I spent hours at the long

12:19

home collecting evidence. When. They were done.

12:21

The. Homers Release of the Family and

12:23

the Park County Undersheriff released an update

12:26

on Facebook saying quote. On

12:28

scene investigation is wrapped up. Cause.

12:30

And origin of the fire is inconclusive.

12:33

Still, No sign of Maggie. Nobody

12:35

at the fire seen. Obviously.

12:37

The statement was a lie. A body was

12:40

found at the scene and authorities were pretty

12:42

sure was Maggie is. But because of this

12:44

false information the public continued to think that

12:46

Maggie was still missing. I'll. Have to

12:48

pause here for a second. An Ip. Addresses.

12:51

Elephant in the room. I

12:53

can't tell you why he did this. I really

12:55

can't. It. Doesn't make a lot of sense to

12:57

me. The. Calls were going back

12:59

and forth over dispatch and at for

13:01

most of you probably already know this

13:03

but. The. Public can get access

13:05

to a scanner on Amazon or wherever you can

13:07

get him anywhere. And you can put

13:10

in the frequencies for the police department for

13:12

the fire departments and a lot of people

13:14

listen to the police and fire scanners just

13:16

as a hobby. So the fact that they

13:18

called for a corner because they found a

13:21

body that was already public knowledge. so I

13:23

really. Don't understand this but I

13:25

will say I'm an epic. Foreshadow:

13:27

A little be here. Someone. Else

13:30

ends up taking over the investigation

13:32

and handles it completely differently. And

13:35

due to my own anecdotal experience,

13:37

I've dealt with both types of

13:39

leadership. So. For now, I'll just

13:41

say that in my opinion. The.

13:43

Sheriff just wanted to keep everyone in the dark.

13:45

He wanted to, kind of, you know, hold on

13:47

the hoard. Everything in. Not. Sure any

13:50

information with anyone because he wanted to all

13:52

be and house even though it wasn't. And.

13:54

Will get into more about how I feel

13:57

about that type of approach in a few

13:59

minutes. Now. By December third,

14:01

there was a lot of unanswered questions.

14:03

The Sheriff's office posted a statement on

14:05

Facebook saying quote. You. To the serious

14:07

nature of this investigation, we ask that you

14:09

keep the lawn family and your prayers. Were

14:12

not able to release any further information at

14:14

this time. That night the

14:16

Sheriff's office said they were working on an

14:18

act arson investigation and they did not believe

14:20

that there was any risk to the public.

14:23

Again, Not a side tracked this whole

14:25

episode here. Not. Really getting this?

14:27

How would you know? If there's

14:29

a danger to the public, When. You

14:31

don't even know. How. This person

14:33

was killed or why they were killed. You.

14:36

Could have a serial arsonist on the loose. who's gonna

14:38

go on? Do this to other houses in the area.

14:40

you have no clue. So. Just

14:42

to put it bluntly, I think it's very

14:44

irresponsible to come out and say. There's.

14:46

No risk for the public. Win. Regardless,

14:49

of what they knew behind closed doors

14:51

and I obviously been more than I'm

14:53

relying so far. But. Didn't have

14:55

anybody in custody and they clearly don't know who it

14:57

is. And. They truly don't know what the

15:00

motive is so to go out there and see

15:02

this when you don't have to. I

15:04

think was the wrong decision. Now

15:06

on the following day december fourth, a

15:09

judge issued a gag order to prevent

15:11

officials from discussing the investigation. That.

15:13

Same day the body found in the burned home.

15:15

Was. Officially identified as Maggie is.

15:18

Due to the gag order, no one was allowed

15:20

to tell the public about this development. But.

15:22

Three days later, on December seventh, The.

15:25

Gag order was revoked. Sir.

15:27

Fred Wagoner then issued a press release

15:29

notifying the public that Mags body had

15:31

been found in the burned house and

15:33

they were pursuing the investigation as a

15:36

homicide. The. Sheriff announced that

15:38

the task force with local state and

15:40

federal authorities had been formed to further

15:42

investigate the arson and baggies murder. He.

15:45

Asked that who witnessed any suspicious

15:47

people, vehicles or activities in the

15:49

area of the long home to

15:51

contact investigative tip line. Chef.

15:54

Wagner also added quote. This.

15:56

Task will not rest until justice is obtained

15:58

from Maggie and the lawn fan. All.

16:01

Mourn for spent resources available will

16:03

be devoted to bring this investigation

16:05

to a successful outcome. Now.

16:07

According to the few up for forty

16:09

pm that same day, The. Sheriff's Office

16:12

issued a bolo to the Denver Police

16:14

Department would stated quote. The. Bullet

16:16

was going to be for a late

16:18

model nineties to two thousand light colored

16:20

minivan possibly driven by a white male

16:22

in his twenties. Homicide occurred

16:24

during an arson and the suspect driver

16:27

may have some flash burns as well

16:29

as gasoline taken from the house. A

16:31

large case. Ak. Forty Seven.

16:34

Two. Thousand rounds of ammo of seven,

16:36

six two, and a nine millimeter Beretta.

16:38

Please. Advise that the subject is considered

16:41

armed and extremely dangerous. Now.

16:43

Real quickly here. I. Read

16:45

that quote. Exactly the

16:47

way was put out and the reason I did

16:49

is because interchangeably they want at one point a

16:51

suspect. And. Then they said subject actors could

16:54

have been. A mix of words.

16:56

the main be nothing to that. But.

16:58

I I did found it interesting that they used

17:00

to different ways to describe this person when clearly

17:02

it sounds like. They were someone

17:04

that they were very concerned about and

17:06

we're pretty confident. That. They were involved

17:09

with Maggie Is Murder and the arson. Now.

17:11

Somehow this bola with heard by

17:13

numerous new stations in the Denver

17:15

area who subsequently televise the info.

17:18

And. For me, it's really not that much

17:20

of a mystery. As I said earlier, The.

17:22

Public can get police scanners. It's not like

17:24

this secret of thing that you can have

17:27

access to. So. I know for

17:29

a fact from working with the media,

17:31

they have police scanners and all of

17:33

their stations and and the even in

17:35

their vans. and they're constantly listening to

17:37

police and fire dispatch and that's why

17:39

in a lot of cases, as soon

17:41

as the. Accident. Or

17:43

incident occurs. In. In some

17:45

situations, the media is there before law enforcement.

17:47

I've definitely seen a right show up in

17:50

the police vans or to get in there

17:52

satellite our up. So yeah they're They're listening

17:54

to a dirt pro actively looking and and

17:56

and hoping to hear something so that while

17:58

they're out there. They can be

18:00

the first on scene so this isn't

18:03

that big of a mystery to me,

18:05

but it feels like the the police

18:07

department was surprised by the fact that

18:09

is Bola was intercepted. And. It

18:11

became clear really quick that Is Bola was

18:13

not supposed to be released publicly. And.

18:15

The undersheriff told the media quote. We.

18:18

Did issue a bolo. But. It was not

18:20

intended for public consumption. It was

18:22

supposed to go out to a confidential

18:24

law enforcement source. I can confirm what

18:26

the new stations are reporting. It's really

18:29

quite disruptive to our investigation. Because.

18:31

Of the problems that is cause, we're going

18:33

to have to reconvene the task force and

18:35

decide how information for public clarification on the

18:38

bolo will be. Cranston. Now.

18:40

As far as I can tell, the police

18:42

have never revealed where the information about the

18:44

minivan and suspect came from. But. If

18:47

I had to guess I would say came

18:49

from Tim, it's possible that while he was

18:51

in the attic apartment he saw the van

18:53

and the suspect outside the residents had so

18:55

it could also be someone different. But.

18:57

If if I had to take a guess, that's where.

18:59

That's where I would put the odds. And.

19:01

As far as not wanting to put the information

19:04

out there, this goes back to what I was

19:06

saying earlier. This information. I

19:08

guess an argument could be made by

19:10

putting it out there. It could hurt

19:12

the investigation, but at the same time.

19:15

This is a safety hazard. This is this

19:17

is a danger to all the residents in

19:19

that community. If. There's someone

19:21

out there whose armed and potentially

19:24

extremely dangerous. You. Not want

19:26

only law enforcement officials looking for

19:28

this individual. But. You want

19:31

the public, not necessarily. Going

19:33

after this person or interacting with them

19:35

are confronting them. But. You want them

19:38

to be aware of it as well so that

19:40

we don't have another victim. Now.

19:42

I know they could say Well, here's the problem

19:44

with that, right? If we put the ball out

19:46

there for the community, Be. Suspect or

19:48

suspects may hear it as well. Now they

19:50

know we're on their trail and they may

19:53

deviate from their plan. They may change of

19:55

their vehicle, They may change their appearance so

19:57

we don't want to tip them off immediately.

20:00

That we're on them. And I get

20:02

that. I totally get it. But. As

20:04

a leader, there's a balance right as

20:06

a balance of solving the case. And

20:08

are preservation of life and.

20:11

Maggie is no longer with us. But

20:13

this this person or these people. If.

20:16

They're capable of this. They.

20:18

Could do it again. And big clue. You

20:20

have a complete disregard for human life. So.

20:23

I want everyone in my community to

20:25

know. Who. Might be amongst

20:27

them, especially if these people get desperate.

20:29

If. They're suspects in a know that people

20:31

are looking for them. Now

20:34

they may look at it like. That.

20:36

Person's looking at me. weird. They. Must

20:38

know Why Am I after? I have to hurt them Or I

20:40

have to kill them. And. That course,

20:42

that poor individual may have no clue

20:44

they are because they weren't informed. So.

20:46

Despite being present, And

20:48

not being aware of what's going on

20:51

around them, they could become a victim

20:53

themselves. as a leader, I'm. Not

20:55

going to take that risk. It's a it's

20:57

a cost benefit analysis. Yeah, you have secrecy

20:59

we can get out to law enforcement agencies.

21:01

Maybe. Cats the suspects by surprise.

21:04

But. At the same time, you're running

21:06

the risk that these potential offenders. Could.

21:08

Go on to hurt multiple people in addition

21:10

to the people they've already hurt. And

21:13

I just I was. I just wouldn't be willing

21:15

to risk that. And. Obviously I'm very

21:17

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we're back. And by this point in the

23:46

story, rumors had been circulating about the possible

23:48

motives of the homicide and the fire. One

23:51

rumor was at the Long family had been

23:53

having money problems and may have owed money

23:55

to certain people which resulted in the incident.

23:58

Reporters. From the flume than spoke with the me. The

24:00

drove one of the lungs restaurants and asked

24:02

about the financial status of the family. The.

24:04

Manager said the family was not having problems with

24:06

money and explained that the family did not like

24:08

to keep their money in the banks because they

24:11

felt like they were able to get a better

24:13

return by investing in real estate. Now.

24:15

On December ninth, Magnus family released a

24:17

statement about her death which read in

24:19

part quote. Our. Hearts are broken.

24:22

And this loss has been especially significant knowing

24:24

the impact on Maggie had on the small

24:26

mountain community. We. Think everyone in

24:29

Bailey as well as those and communities

24:31

near and far that Maggie life has

24:33

touched for their support and love shared.

24:35

Our family continues to work with the

24:37

Park County Sheriff's Office an extended agencies.

24:40

We. Want to thank them for the tremendous efforts.

24:42

We. Are all committed to seeking justice for

24:44

Maggie. Thank. You everyone for sharing

24:46

your strength and kind thoughts with us the

24:49

long family. Over the next

24:51

few months, the Please continued investigating Baggies

24:53

murder. They did not give any

24:55

major updates and the case during this time. On.

24:58

February. Seven, Two thousand and eighteen. The.

25:00

Police held their first public briefing on the

25:02

case. They. Announced the twenty thousand

25:04

dollar reward and shared quite a bit

25:06

of information. They. Revealed that an

25:09

Ak Forty seven. And. Nine millimeter

25:11

Beretta. Two. Thousand rounds of

25:13

ammunition. Jade figurines and a

25:15

large green save with a combination dial

25:18

and a handle were stolen from The

25:20

Lawn Home on December first. The.

25:22

Police also released photos of what these items

25:24

might have looked like. Now.

25:27

Interesting enough, Nine News reported that Serve

25:29

Wagoner was as at this briefing wise

25:31

department said there was no body found

25:33

in the home. When. In fact there

25:35

had been a body found and he didn't have

25:37

a reason feeding. We made our com and will

25:39

live with it. And I have

25:41

to tell you. This saw this comment and

25:43

have to be careful to spur minds be have

25:46

someone that I worked for in. I have to

25:48

tell you I wish this was I like an

25:50

isolated thing. But. This type of

25:52

personality trait in the law enforcement

25:54

beater ship. Community.

25:57

Is. It's. A coin.

26:00

Quip. A lot of. Leaders.

26:03

Go. With this approach as this like they'll

26:05

have to tell you anything. The only people

26:07

that need to know what's going on of

26:09

the people within their walls. And.

26:12

In some situations, that is true. Ah,

26:15

but the. The. Response

26:17

to the media how they how they

26:19

address if. You're. These one

26:21

sentence answers. I personally don't like it.

26:23

Me: Some: maybe some of you. Say.

26:26

Hey I get a i understand it. I've

26:28

seen it from the inside and I, I personally

26:30

was never a fan of it. Now.

26:32

Wagoner was also asked why he waited more

26:34

than two months to go public with the

26:36

information detailing what was stolen from the home.

26:39

He. Said quote. A lot of it

26:41

had to do with the amount of information that we were

26:43

processing. He. Mentioned that investigators had conducted

26:46

a lot of interviews and at obtained dna

26:48

samples from a number of people. But.

26:50

He didn't disclose whether or not that information

26:52

had been helpful. Wagoner. Went on

26:54

to see the based on the information they had gathered.

26:57

They. Were confident that there was no threat to

26:59

anybody else, and while no arrests have been

27:01

made, The police had made

27:03

progress. And. I just or the say it

27:05

again I don't want to sound redundant hear. A

27:07

Don't know how you compute that. I don't

27:10

know how you say definitively. There's.

27:12

No threat to the public, When.

27:14

You don't have anybody in custody.

27:17

And. Even if you. Didn't have someone in

27:19

custody of you. knew. For. Certain.

27:22

Why the lawns were targeted in what

27:24

the motive was behind it you could

27:26

isolated to them than yeah. Maybe you

27:28

can say that. Are based on

27:30

what we know publicly. I don't know how.

27:33

You. Would come to that conclusion and be a

27:35

one hundred percent certain of it. I just

27:37

don't see it. Again, I always

27:39

have to preface it by saying. I.

27:42

Don't have access to the case files? Maybe

27:44

there's something he knows that we don't. So.

27:47

A few months later, on May fourth,

27:49

Official release: A sketch of a white male who

27:51

was seen a maggie thousand a day. She was

27:53

killed. Now. As far as I can

27:55

tell, they didn't include a description of the

27:57

man and no other major information regarding Maggie.

28:00

Murder was released for the rest of the year.

28:03

In. January of two thousand and nineteen. A.

28:05

Newport County sheriff named Com Mcgraw

28:07

took office. At. The end of

28:09

the month, Mcgraw held a press conference where

28:12

he revealed a lot of important details about

28:14

Maggie Case, including the fact that she was

28:16

cool. Purposely. Set on fire and

28:18

burned alive. By. Three male

28:20

suspects. Mcgraw. Said investigators

28:22

believe Maggie came home from school at

28:25

around three pm and walked in on

28:27

a robbery. A physical altercation

28:29

broke out and Maggie was then held

28:31

captive until she and the house were

28:33

set on fire hours later at approximately

28:35

seven pm. Investigators. Theorized

28:38

that the fires were started to

28:40

conceal the physical altercation and the

28:42

robbery. Sheriff. Mcgraw then shared

28:44

a sketch of one of the to new

28:46

suspects and mention that a sketch of the

28:48

third suspect would be released in the following

28:50

months. Mcgraw. Further revealed that

28:52

three vehicles were seen at or near the

28:55

long home at the time of the incident.

28:57

The. Vehicles were described as a white Chevy

29:00

Astro type work fan. And

29:02

early nineties Ford Arrow Star Van.

29:04

In a late eighties Ford F One Fifty.

29:08

Sheriff. Mcgraw announced a new reward of

29:10

fifty thousand dollars and the launch of

29:12

a website run by the Maggie Long

29:14

task force had been initiated. He.

29:17

Stated Quote: We ask the public to

29:19

carefully reviewed the updated information and consider

29:21

whether someone may know could have been

29:23

involved in this incident or whether someone

29:26

they know has demonstrated behavior that could

29:28

be suggested of involvement in this incident.

29:31

Mcgraw caution the public that quote one

29:33

or more of these might have been

29:35

injured in the fire and it was

29:37

possible all three could have significantly altered

29:40

their appearances so their vehicles and possibly

29:42

moved since December of two thousand and

29:44

seventeen. A. Few months later, a sketch

29:46

of the third suspect wanted in connection to

29:49

Maggie is murder was released as promise. Before.

29:51

The end of the year, the F B I

29:53

announced that a fourth person may have been involved

29:55

in baggies murder as well. They. Said

29:58

quote it could be a male or. Mail.

30:00

but we believe this possibly a fourth person

30:02

that is either involved in the burglary on

30:04

December first two thousand and seventeen. Or.

30:07

That might be a key witness that we would like to talk

30:09

to. Now. There isn't much info

30:11

out there about the potential for suspect and

30:13

from what I can tell know sketch was

30:15

ever released. More than a year later

30:18

and may have Twenty Twenty one. The. F

30:20

B. I announced that the investigation into

30:22

Maggie death was been reclassified as a

30:24

quote hate crime matter and award was

30:26

being up to seventy five thousand dollars.

30:29

Now interesting enough: Maggie is older

30:31

sisters mean and Connie. Told.

30:33

The Associated Press that they did not

30:35

notice any over Asian discrimination when they

30:37

lived in the Be We community. With.

30:39

That being said, the sisters were hopeful

30:42

that this reclassification would bring new light

30:44

to a cold case. Mean.

30:46

A stated quote. This is an angle

30:48

that wasn't looked into in the past, and

30:50

at this point there's no stone left unturned.

30:53

Looking at the extent of the violence in this

30:55

crime, that is certainly an angle to look more

30:57

closely into. County Further shared

30:59

with the New York Times that the

31:01

F B I investigator explain to her

31:04

that the choice to reclassify maggie homicide

31:06

as a hate crime was not influenced

31:08

by any particular development in the ongoing

31:10

investigation. He was a strategic

31:12

decision that would provide additional funds and

31:14

resources for law enforcement to enhance their

31:16

efforts in solving the case. And I

31:18

just wanna. Piggyback. Off

31:21

of that because when I was initially hearing it.

31:23

And. Reading about this before I got to the

31:26

segment. That. Part right there. I didn't

31:28

know they would disclose that publicly. When. I

31:30

first heard that it was reclassified as a hate

31:32

crime. I said to myself, oh. They're

31:34

looking for more funds, you know? Obviously with a

31:36

hate crime, the government funding that comes in for

31:38

it and obviously had some. It's. A

31:41

term. It's obviously it's it's horrible. but

31:43

it's a term and any and a

31:45

type of crime that it There's a

31:47

high. Level. Of priority put

31:49

on a by the government right now. So

31:51

whenever it a crime gets reclassified or is

31:53

initially classified. As a hate crime

31:56

is a different level of. Severity.

31:58

That put on it. With. Would. Allow.

32:01

Investigators to pull more funding to get

32:03

the resources they need to potentially solve

32:05

the case. so I've seen as done

32:07

before. And it's it's. in some

32:10

cases a good move. The. Only

32:12

argument that I've seen against it is.

32:14

By. Reclassifying cases. That.

32:17

You don't believe our hate crimes.

32:19

You could potentially be taking away

32:21

from real real hate crimes. and

32:23

I absolutely see that angle and

32:25

I I really don't have an

32:27

argument for it's. That. That the

32:29

potential is there when you're. Implore You

32:31

know, employing these types of tactics. Now.

32:33

With all that being said, unfortunately as

32:35

far as the family can tell, The.

32:38

Reclassification did not lead to any

32:40

major developments in Maggie Case. And.

32:43

By December of Twenty Twenty Two, Five.

32:45

Years had passed since Maggie was murdered. To.

32:48

Mark the somber occasion, police handed out

32:50

flyers and stickers across the county. Postcards.

32:53

With information about Maggie were also mail

32:55

to the be we residents. Are.

32:57

Detective on the task force also spoke

33:00

with nine news about were the case

33:02

was currently. Bitter. The force

33:04

was still actively investigating Baggies murder, however

33:06

they were quote kind of backing off

33:08

the sketches that were released initially. They.

33:11

Were no longer putting much credence into them.

33:14

And. As far as why that's the case,

33:16

Again, Without having access to the

33:18

files. I really can't tell

33:21

you. I will say we've had the sketches

33:23

up in this episode. They're pretty vague. The.

33:25

Not very descriptive. does know distinguishable

33:28

marks on either of the. From.

33:30

Individuals that have been released or the

33:32

three individuals that have been released night,

33:34

I think someone would look getting. That.

33:37

Looks like so and so. I guess if you

33:39

knew them personally and really well, maybe. But.

33:42

On, there must have been

33:44

contradicting information that came in

33:46

that discredited the initial report.

33:48

Or. As I said earlier, It.

33:51

It depends on the source. right? It

33:53

depends on the person you're getting the information

33:55

from. I. Don't know what the

33:57

situation was with tim. Some

34:00

of the other things reading about him

34:02

I don't know what his mindset was.

34:04

I know that again, he was refusing

34:07

to leave the apartment until firefighters basically

34:09

kicked them and he came walking out

34:11

with his cat. But if that was

34:13

their source and he was going back

34:15

and forth on what he observed or

34:17

what he heard, The. More

34:19

he does that, the less credible those statements

34:22

become. Now for the five year

34:24

mark, the Long family released a statement which

34:26

read in part quote. Maggie. Deserves

34:28

justice. She. Was an irreplaceable

34:31

innocent soul with the majestic presence.

34:33

She. Brought joy to our family or

34:36

friends and or community. That. Will

34:38

never be forgiven. By.

34:40

This point mag his parents had their and son.

34:43

Had. Sold their family home, After

34:45

Maggie was murdered inside, the memories in the

34:47

house made it too difficult for them to

34:49

go back. They. Also could return

34:51

to their businesses. So. They retired

34:54

and later moved to the suburbs of Denver.

34:56

And their new home. The long set up

34:59

a special room for Maggie using the item

35:01

see from the fire. County told

35:03

Cpr news that there has been a huge

35:05

change in our parents. And she didn't

35:07

think they would ever recover from aggies death. In.

35:10

December Of Twenty Twenty Three. Six.

35:12

Years had passed since Maggie was murdered. Park.

35:15

County Sheriff com mcgraw stated quote. Our.

35:17

Quest for justice for Maggie remained

35:19

steadfast. A. Dedicated members of the

35:21

Maggie Long Task Force have never stop

35:23

the search for those responsible for Maggie

35:26

death. And. Will continue to follow

35:28

every lead until we find resolution in

35:30

this case. Unfortunately, this is

35:32

the latest information we have in

35:34

this investigation. And. The task

35:36

force is still actively searching for the three

35:38

or four people who physically assaulted Maggie. And.

35:41

Then set her on fire while she was still

35:43

alive. Now. That being said,

35:45

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35:48

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35:50

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Brian Okay. So now my perspective on this case

36:58

in his to be a long as the have

37:00

a lot of bullet points. I

37:02

don't really have a synopsis, I just want to try to

37:05

jump around. So. Hopefully it all

37:07

makes sense as a put it out the just my

37:09

thoughts on this case. With. The limited information

37:11

that we do know because although we have some

37:13

specific so. I can promise you

37:15

this do a lot behind closed doors that

37:17

we don't know books without being you know

37:19

the qualifier. First. I want to

37:22

start with someone we mentioned early in the

37:24

episode but haven't met mentioned much since, which

37:26

is Tim. And I'm sure

37:28

a lot of you are asking yourself. Was

37:30

Tim vetted. You. Know do we know

37:32

that? Tim? Isn't. A suspected Tim

37:34

wasn't the one who did this good

37:36

to me going downstairs. Attacked

37:39

Maggie killed her. And

37:41

then set the house on fire to kind

37:43

of throw people off the trail. Go.

37:45

Back up into his apartment and then call the

37:48

police and say that all these things were happening

37:50

in there was a fire being sucked because I

37:52

wrote a know he knew a lot of. Information.

37:56

About what was going on in the

37:58

in the downstairs floor. I. Don't know. Often

38:00

the walls were what he could hear by.

38:02

it just seemed like he had a lot

38:04

of information. And my I My

38:06

initial thought is he gonna. Look.

38:08

At the guy who actually in the house when all

38:10

this went down as a potential suspect, right? And

38:13

I'm sure a lot of you did the same thing.

38:15

So. I. Wanna put that out there? Because.

38:18

After putting that out there that I'm in a kind of.

38:20

This. Credit my own, my own thought process and

38:23

and the reason I'm able to do that.

38:25

Is because it's it. Seems like

38:27

it's pretty concrete information that the

38:30

Ak Forty seven. The. Nine

38:32

millimeter Beretta. Two. Thousand rounds

38:34

and ammo which by the way is

38:36

a lot and it would be heavy armed

38:38

the figurines and then also most importantly

38:40

this large. Green Safe. They

38:42

probably confirmed to family members that this

38:44

was there when they left earlier that

38:46

day. Now it's gone and that's how

38:48

they were able to do what was

38:50

taken. And. This

38:52

tells you to things obviously does suggest

38:54

that more than likely was a robbery

38:56

and not a staged robbery. And.

38:59

I see that from a commonsensical perspective

39:01

of. It. A try to stage a robbery. You

39:03

can take some smaller things and get out of air. You're.

39:05

Not going to take the frickin' most heaviest thing in

39:07

the house. That would make no sense at all. The.

39:10

Only reason you would take a safe is because you

39:12

felt something of value was inside of it. Which.

39:14

Brings me to another point. Because.

39:18

On. One hand you could say? Well,

39:20

It couldn't have been to him because he was there

39:23

the whole time. So. How could he have

39:25

remove the stuff and still gotten back to the house

39:27

in time to do? all this? Unless

39:29

it was like premeditated that was happening all day.

39:31

But. I think that's a stretch. But.

39:34

I but brings up another angle here that I

39:36

don't know if anybody's really thought about. I'm

39:38

hoping that law enforcement did. If.

39:42

This was a robbery. Okay,

39:44

let's go back to the long family home. Twenty.

39:47

Seven Acres think I said earlier. Twenty

39:50

Seven Acres. This was a huge property

39:52

off a main road, but really setback.

39:55

Really off the beaten path. Who.

39:58

would know about what's back there More

40:01

importantly, who would know about what's

40:03

inside that residence, specifically what a

40:05

value is inside that residence? In

40:08

many situations when we have a

40:10

robbery and the person

40:12

has a safe or a lot of money or

40:15

guns or something of value in their home, it's

40:18

usually an inside job, right? Or

40:21

that person had bragged about what they

40:23

had to people in the community and

40:25

it got back to them. They

40:28

started to figure out when they could go

40:30

there because think about all the

40:32

elements of what we're dealing with here. The

40:36

father was out of town. The

40:38

mother was at work. The

40:40

sisters weren't home. And

40:43

it was kind of probably not expected for Maggie

40:45

to come home. She came home just to change.

40:48

So I think it's very plausible that the theory the

40:51

police are running with is right. She walked in on

40:53

a robbery. The question I have

40:55

is how do they know what was inside of

40:57

there? Did Maggie

40:59

know her attackers? Were these

41:01

people who had worked on the house prior? Were

41:04

they construction workers who had been in the house

41:06

to do something else or around the property and

41:08

had noticed that they had

41:10

expensive items inside the residence? I

41:13

would want to look into any work that had been

41:15

done on that property. It's a big property. So I'm

41:17

assuming they had landscapers and maintenance

41:19

men, et cetera. So obviously

41:22

you'd want to investigate all of them

41:24

and their acquaintances. But just

41:26

to play another angle here, again,

41:28

not knowing Tim personally or not being able

41:31

to interview him, is there

41:33

a scenario where he tipped someone off about

41:36

what was in the house, about what he had seen, and

41:39

maybe said to someone he knows, whether

41:41

it was maliciously or just speaking, running

41:44

his mouth, right? He might have

41:46

said that there's a lot in the house and they got a lot of

41:48

money and they keep a lot of their money in the safe. We

41:50

talked about that earlier. They didn't believe in banks. So

41:53

if that information was out there and

41:56

Tim or someone close to them knew about it, they

41:58

could have tipped the... assailants off

42:02

that now was the time to come

42:04

and it brings me back to my point who

42:07

would know better that it was the right time to come

42:09

than a person who was staying at the home. Now

42:12

I want to qualify this by saying I don't

42:14

have any concrete evidence against him and obviously as I said

42:16

at the top of the show that's not even his real

42:18

name but it's a possible scenario and

42:21

I'm sure it's been explored but I

42:23

could also make another argument where when

42:26

detectives started to search and talk to people

42:28

in the community about their

42:30

financial potential financial problems with the

42:32

longs as I said in this episode

42:34

which is why I wanted it in there one

42:37

of the managers who again is someone who's

42:39

close to them they're obviously an administrative role

42:41

but they were even aware that the longs

42:43

were someone who didn't keep money in the

42:45

banks they wanted to invest it in real

42:48

estate and more than likely that meant that

42:50

they had more cash on hand at

42:52

the home in a community

42:54

like that word can travel fast

42:57

and again it may not be

42:59

someone you're directly connected to but if it gets

43:01

back to a group of individuals with nothing to

43:03

lose they could come up with

43:05

a plan to attack you and your family when

43:08

you're home or even when or when you're not home and

43:11

just to kind of explore the whole construction

43:13

worker maintenance man landscape

43:15

or theory a little bit more think

43:17

about the potential suspect vehicles that we're

43:20

talking about here two vans and

43:22

a pickup truck could these individuals

43:24

work in that type of field and that's

43:26

why they drive those cars that's possible I'll

43:29

also say that I don't know how these cars would

43:31

be linked to these crimes if they didn't have something

43:34

definitive at the property that would prove

43:37

these vehicles were there right they they're they're

43:39

pretty sure about the fact that it was

43:41

three individuals that's how they're coming

43:43

up with the number of three suspects right only

43:46

one person can drive each vehicle so at

43:48

minimum there's three now they're saying there was

43:50

potentially four which would mean there was a

43:52

passenger in one of the vehicles I would

43:56

assume most of this

43:58

information would be coming

44:00

from Tim, I don't know how it would come from anybody

44:02

else. Unless they have a confidential witness

44:04

or a confidential informant that

44:06

they're keeping under wraps right now who is close

44:08

by maybe on the property working and just

44:11

doesn't want to have their information out there. That

44:13

is very possible. And finally, as far

44:15

as the sketches, I kind of said it in the episode.

44:17

They were pretty vague. I

44:19

think that talking to this witness,

44:22

there might have been something there that caused

44:25

pause where they started to question what

44:27

this individual had said. I've said in

44:29

other episodes where you'll have witnesses who

44:31

want to be helpful. And

44:33

instead of telling you what they know, they tell you what

44:35

they think or what they kind

44:37

of remember, that's not good for the case.

44:40

Yeah, their heart is in the right place, but

44:42

it only hurts us. Because if we're

44:44

building an investigation off something that the

44:47

source is not even sure is

44:49

accurate, that's a problem. I

44:52

would rather have minimal factual

44:54

information than an

44:57

abundance of potentially accurate

44:59

information, if you know what I mean. I'd

45:01

rather know for sure what I'm

45:03

dealing with, what puzzle pieces I have on the table,

45:06

or at least from the same

45:08

puzzle, right? You don't want to have a

45:11

mixture because there's really no way to know

45:13

until you start building it, you could go

45:15

all the way down that path and find

45:17

out well down the road that you're

45:19

working with three different cases here and some of

45:21

it's not even accurate, and that's a big problem.

45:23

So again, them going

45:26

back and re-questioning other

45:28

individuals along with this

45:31

main witness, there may

45:33

be some indications that the

45:35

illustrations that were created based off the

45:37

descriptions that were given

45:40

at the time, the descriptions themselves may not be

45:42

accurate, which could be actually narrowing

45:44

their suspect pool, right? They're looking for

45:46

white males, they could be

45:48

a different ethnicity, they could look different than

45:51

the picture itself. So now they're looking for

45:53

certain individuals with those types of vehicles, and

45:55

they could be looking in the wrong direction.

45:58

So as far as where we go with this case, I've said

46:00

throughout the episode, you have local,

46:02

state, and federal agents already working on it.

46:05

So it's all hands on deck. There's a lot of money

46:07

and resources being devoted to this case. So

46:09

I'd like to think that most of what I'm going to say

46:11

is being currently worked on or has been looked into. Obviously,

46:14

they're going to keep an eye on the

46:17

stolen items. More than likely, those items will never

46:19

end up in a pawn shop. But maybe

46:21

if you're lucky, if a criminal gets stupid, a

46:24

witness who has no involvement, walks into a

46:26

house, remembers these things being put out

46:28

there, and sees one of these items in the

46:31

home, and decides to do the right

46:33

thing and report it. I'm also

46:35

hopeful that even though it was a fire and

46:37

it probably destroyed a lot of the evidence, there

46:40

may have been some DNA evidence recovered

46:42

from the scene. Because

46:44

most likely, that's why they're seizing DNA from the

46:46

people they're speaking to because they have something

46:49

to compare it to. At least that's my

46:51

hope. And then finally, they're going

46:53

to be looking at help from you guys. They're going

46:55

to be looking at help from people in that community

46:58

who may know something. And I would say to everyone out

47:00

there who may be from that area,

47:03

even though the sketches they're backing off of them,

47:07

let's put those to the side for a

47:09

second. Let's think about these vehicles because they sound

47:11

more convinced about the three vehicles. Think

47:14

about people in your life, acquaintances of

47:16

yours. And sometimes you'll have

47:18

groups of individuals who hang out together, whether

47:20

they're colleagues or just buddies that hang out

47:22

at the Bowen Alley, who knows. But

47:25

maybe you think about someone like, oh, you

47:27

know, this guy had an F-150 and his

47:29

friend so-and-so drove a van.

47:31

And actually, his other friend drove an

47:33

Astro van. It could be that

47:35

connection. The sketches may look nothing

47:37

like these guys. But if you know a group

47:40

of individuals that hang out that at the time

47:42

of this incident, because I can promise you they

47:44

don't have these cars anymore, we're

47:47

driving vehicles like that. Call

47:49

local authorities, call the state police, let

47:52

them know what's going on, And give

47:54

them the information and then let them decide

47:56

whether it's useful or not. When

48:00

that you have all the information. When

48:02

recap the case really quickly on December

48:04

first, two thousand and seventeen. Seventeen.

48:06

Year old Maggie Long was found murdered in

48:09

her burned home. Located. In the

48:11

thirty seven hundred block of County Road

48:13

Forty Three. Mb. Lee, Colorado.

48:15

She. Had been physically assaulted and then set

48:18

on fire while she was still alive.

48:20

And. Eighty Forty Seven. And nine

48:23

millimeter Beretta. Two. Thousand rounds

48:25

of ammunition. Jade figurines and

48:27

a large green save with a combination

48:29

dial and a handle were stolen from

48:31

the long Home. There

48:33

are three to four on identified suspects

48:35

in this case. And. They were

48:37

potentially driving a white Chevy Astro type

48:40

work van. And. Early Nineties

48:42

Ford Arrow Starve and. And.

48:44

A late eighties Ford F One fifty.

48:47

Two. Of you have any information about this

48:49

case. You're. Asked to call the Maggie

48:51

Long Task Force. Tip line. At three

48:53

O three. Two. Three Nine. Four.

48:56

Two, four, three, The. Remember.

49:00

A. Seventy five thousand dollar reward is

49:02

still available. And. That's going to do it

49:04

for this week case. I. Want to some

49:06

my thoughts out to the long family. This

49:08

is obviously a horrific murder. All murders obviously

49:10

a horrific. But. Just to

49:12

think about how Maggie was taken from us,

49:15

the manner in which it was done. On

49:17

her family as the live With that and there's

49:20

nothing that you are right can do to change

49:22

that. But. What we can

49:24

do. Is. Try.

49:26

To give him the answers they deserve. They're

49:28

still fighting. As I said at the end

49:30

of this episode, where going to continue fighting

49:32

And hopefully someone out there whether you're watching

49:34

or listening. Has information that can

49:36

be critical and helping crack this case.

49:39

I. Want everyone to stay safe out there before I

49:41

go. I just want to remind you because we're

49:43

getting closer. To. The End: Ah,

49:45

Seasons of Justice. Okay, I had

49:48

asked initially for a thousand dollars.

49:50

We've. Already surpassed that rub the one thousand

49:52

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49:55

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49:57

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49:59

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50:02

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