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podcaster and former award-winning casting

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director Donna Boulding. Hi, Donna.

2:39

Hi, Dew. So excited

2:41

to be here again. I'm so

2:43

excited to be here. This is supposed to

2:45

be a Disney slash Nickelodeon bonus episode,

2:47

but we were just talking before

2:50

we hit record and you have

2:53

so much juice on

2:56

topics that my readers ask me about

2:58

all the time that I am not

3:00

well versed in, one of them being

3:03

Dancing with the Stars. You posted something

3:05

on your IG stories this week. By

3:07

the way, let's

3:09

mark the date that we're recording this. It

3:12

is December 7th. You

3:15

posted something yesterday I believe or the

3:17

day before about

3:19

what you observed backstage at Dancing

3:21

with the Stars. Yeah,

3:24

so the finale was this week. It was

3:26

on Tuesday. And so what was cool about

3:29

it was all the eliminated dancers and past

3:31

contestants from previous seasons and a lot of other

3:34

special guests were at the show. So a lot

3:36

of them you saw on the show if you

3:38

watched it, like Lisa Vanderpump was

3:40

sitting right in front of me and Charli D'Amelio

3:42

was, she actually performed and her mom and like

3:44

a bunch of other people were there, a

3:47

bunch of the bachelorettes like Gabby, Wendy was

3:49

there and Hannah Brown and whatever. So it

3:51

was kind of really cool to be there

3:53

on this day. Especially,

3:56

you know, I was team Ariana the

3:58

entire time. I think she's amazing. And

4:00

I was so thrilled to be able to kind

4:02

of see her and all the Vanderpump people there.

4:05

But my husband works on the

4:08

show. So I was hanging out

4:10

with him backstage before the show

4:12

like started its pre-taping. And

4:15

it's in the area where everyone is doing their

4:17

like last touches with their makeup and their hair,

4:19

and it's a lot of agents, managers, family members

4:21

that are kind of just hanging out. But

4:23

you know, I have my Spidey senses

4:25

on. I have like eyes on every single

4:27

corner of my head. And I just was

4:29

like taking it all in. And I am

4:32

convinced that there is definitely a couple

4:37

couples that have come out of this. So

4:40

the big thing is Harry and Riley. Everyone's

4:42

talking about this. Now, Harry, Jowzy and Riley

4:45

are the cute number one.

4:47

They're both so insanely cute and

4:49

so beautiful. Riley's family,

4:51

I sat next to them during the

4:54

premiere episode and they're wonderful. Her dad

4:56

was so nervous for her. Mom

4:58

was so nervous. And Harry, like I love

5:01

him, but he wasn't the best dancer. So

5:03

I think they thought he was going to

5:05

probably get eliminated really early on, but they

5:07

lasted really long. And then people started to

5:09

say, what's going on there? Because they started

5:11

hanging out so much outside of the show.

5:14

And I know after they got eliminated, he posted

5:17

it in his car at some point. Like

5:19

he gave her some crazy expensive

5:21

bracelet. I think it was, I don't know,

5:24

jewelry. Do you remember this? Yeah. I

5:27

don't know if it was like a Cartier something or whatever.

5:29

I think it was like a Van Cleef or Cartier or

5:31

something like that. Yeah. Like I would

5:33

hook up with Harry for that too. I mean,

5:35

someone call me. So

5:37

anyway, backstage, I see the mom

5:39

who is lovely and we

5:42

connect. And then I noticed that

5:44

like Harry and her are, listen,

5:47

I mean, it's hard

5:49

to say, does this mean that they're in love and

5:51

a couple? There's no way

5:54

to know, but there's definitely a connection.

5:56

There's touching, there's hand holding, they're smiling

5:58

at each other. There's winking. There's

6:00

you know, you can just feel it. I think

6:02

they like it's one of those things that as

6:05

a person Observing and knowing the history between

6:07

them and then of course like the Mauricio and

6:09

Emma Slater You just like there's

6:12

people that are friends and then there's people that

6:14

have a chemistry. That's it 100%

6:18

and you posted this on your Instagram

6:20

stories a couple people forwarded it to me

6:22

and you said it just like blew up

6:24

people are so into this storyline Which is

6:26

why we're talking about it today to get

6:29

your real life POV on the situation.

6:31

Of course. Nothing's confirmed We don't know.

6:33

This is just what you observed

6:36

I have a few other things that I'm gonna talk

6:39

about on my patreon this week I do a patreon

6:41

every week where I kind of give you more behind

6:43

the scenes stuff So I'll definitely go deeper into that

6:45

because I have to save something for my subscribers. No,

6:47

of course I mean you just gave us so much.

6:50

Thank you. I thought you were just You

6:53

like what it I was like not stopping you

6:55

but yes everyone go listen To

6:57

Donna's patreon and follow her on Instagram.

6:59

She is a wealth of information you

7:02

mentioned Emma and mo Prior

7:04

to this we were talking about a lot. I

7:06

held em. Oh, by the way just now Prior

7:15

to this you and I were just discussing a

7:17

blind item that was in the demand newsletter By

7:19

the way sign up for the demand newsletter. There

7:21

are Exclusive blind items there

7:23

every week and there was one about

7:26

Dancing with the Stars. Someone took The

7:29

blind item put it on Twitter and

7:31

Emma's husband liked it and it was

7:33

about Alleged infidelities. Okay,

7:35

so this is so confusing to me and I

7:37

was sitting at dinner too. Yeah, okay I was

7:40

sitting at dinner last night with my husband who

7:42

works on the show He's worked on the show

7:44

now for years and he has

7:46

never heard this rumor So he was kind

7:48

of shocked by this but according to my

7:50

DMS There

7:53

Jamie Lynn Spears was

7:55

at that You

7:57

I'll tell you why the

8:00

finale as well, like along with

8:02

everyone else. And she took a

8:04

little story of Emma

8:07

sitting with what's his name? Alan. Alan

8:09

Burstyn is the other dancer. And she, and

8:12

she like zoomed in on them and she

8:14

wrote Barbie and Ken. And

8:17

people went nuts and said so many people

8:19

sent the story to me saying there have

8:21

been rumors for years swirling around these two,

8:24

cheating throughout her marriage to Sasha. Have

8:27

you heard anything? So of course I

8:29

asked Lance, my husband, he was like,

8:31

I've never heard a thing, but everyone

8:33

told me that there were these rumors

8:35

and that Sasha liked that tweet, which

8:37

makes me think maybe the rumors were

8:39

true, but I didn't see anything. And

8:41

Lance also said, I never really saw

8:43

anything between the two of them, like

8:45

in rehearsals and stuff. Interesting. So

8:47

yeah, I know nothing about this. So thank you for

8:50

breaking it down. I also have no more information. I

8:53

just thought that it was interesting that the

8:55

husband liked the tweet and everyone was like,

8:57

dude, dude, the husband liked the tweet. I'm

8:59

like, wait, what? Like they had explained it

9:01

to me. I know. Something

9:03

else you and I were just discussing is you

9:05

just attended Jeff Lewis's holiday party

9:08

last night. By the way, if anyone missed

9:10

it, Jeff Lewis and I squashed our beef.

9:12

Thank God. We're totally fine. I actually

9:16

enjoy DMing with

9:19

him on Instagram. He's pretty

9:21

funny. But the

9:24

talk of the party was

9:26

Alexis Bellino. Shacking

9:29

up with Shannon's

9:31

ex. Yeah. So it

9:33

was his Hollywood house lift season

9:35

two premiere party. So Amazon

9:37

freebie, he has his new, his second

9:40

season of his show where he like

9:42

redoes, you know, with celebrity homes and

9:46

all of his co hosts were there and

9:48

a bunch of Bravo libs. So Vicki Gumbleson,

9:50

a couple

9:52

of the OC, Jen Pedranti, she's the new

9:54

girl from the OC. And then of course,

9:56

I love her. I love her. No, you

9:59

don't I'm a I was obsessed with her. I told

10:01

her I was going to come down and take a yoga class with

10:03

her. I love her. And

10:05

actually her boyfriend Ryan, who got the

10:07

worst edit this season. I

10:10

don't know if he's a good or bad guy,

10:12

but in person he's wonderful. He was so sweet.

10:16

And then of course, well, Kelly Dodd was

10:18

there because Kelly Dodd and Jeff are very

10:20

close with Rick Leventhal, her husband. And then

10:22

I saw Shannon Bedore. She

10:25

actually looked great. She's really tall. It's

10:27

kind of surprising. And we were

10:30

chatting about a bunch of things. And then I

10:33

said to her, you know, S. John Jansen. And

10:35

she goes, oh, John

10:37

Jansen and the woman. She said

10:39

something like that. And then I saw, you

10:42

know, for anyone that doesn't really like know

10:44

the story at this point, we just

10:46

have confirmed that Shannon Bedore's ex-boyfriend

10:49

who was on the show, John

10:51

Jansen is now dating Alexis Bellino, who

10:53

also was on OC years ago. She

10:55

and Shannon apparently have never kind of

10:58

really crossed paths or been on the

11:00

show at the same time. But

11:02

according to Alexis, this is like, you

11:05

know, the night of Shannon's DUI,

11:08

Shannon was yelling obscenities, according

11:10

to Alexis, at

11:12

Alexis that night at the bar

11:14

before she ended up getting in

11:16

the car and driving. Oh, shit.

11:19

Yes. So that story

11:21

came out like the week of

11:23

the DUI. And

11:26

that was way before John and

11:28

Alexis have come out publicly with

11:30

their relationship. I have no

11:32

idea specifically like whose story is right.

11:34

I'm assuming that, you know, if Shannon

11:36

did do that, maybe because she

11:39

was under the influence, she doesn't like fully

11:41

remember. But she's denying that she did it.

11:43

According to E, she did an interview

11:45

last night on the red carpet. And I guess she's

11:48

basically saying that that didn't happen. But pretty

11:50

shady, pretty shady for for this

11:52

guy. I mean, he's been used

11:54

to smiley. He's totally

11:57

all of the girls of OC. I mean, everyone was

11:59

going on. on Jen Padranti's boyfriend Ryan,

12:01

but like he's the problem. John is

12:04

the problem. I agree with you. Also,

12:06

I've met Shannon at the St.

12:08

Regis Hotel in New York and she was so

12:10

nice. So

12:14

nice. Like beyond nice,

12:17

like we were friends. You

12:19

know, that's how she acted. It was early on

12:21

when she first started being

12:23

a housewife and she was with her husband.

12:25

I gotta remember her name. Um,

12:28

yeah, David, David Bador. Yes, she's

12:30

with David Bador. Yep. And she

12:33

was so nice. So that is my

12:35

experience with her. I think,

12:37

I think you hear like two sides, you know,

12:39

of course, everyone's going to have bad days or

12:41

whatever, but Vicki Gumbleson, I will say is exactly

12:43

Vicki Gumbleson in real life. Like I was dying.

12:46

I couldn't believe I felt like I was on

12:48

an episode of OC because I was just talking

12:50

to her and she's like, I don't have time

12:52

to deal with this. I can't deal with this.

12:54

I'm a grandma. I have a business. Like, you

12:57

know, she was talking about all the drama that's

12:59

been kind of surrounding the, uh, you know, the

13:01

gossip with Teddy and whatever, but the way that

13:03

she talks about it is as if

13:05

I'm in an episode of OC. Like

13:07

you just did a good impression of

13:10

her. Like I could totally picture. Okay.

13:16

Let's get into the Disney stuff.

13:18

Thank you so much for being

13:20

here. We received so I'm scrolling

13:22

through now so many, oh my

13:24

God, so many submissions.

13:27

Um, let's just get through

13:29

as many as we can. I'm so sorry. If

13:32

anyone listening, I don't get to your

13:34

question. They were plentiful,

13:36

which is what I

13:39

predicted. I knew, I knew my audience was

13:41

like really into this time

13:43

period. Um, plus, you

13:45

know, Selena Zendaya, huge, huge celebrities

13:47

now that we all love and

13:49

follow. So let's just do like

13:51

rapid fire. Are you, are you

13:53

okay with that? I'm ready. Okay.

13:56

The first question is Disney

13:58

celebs are very PR trained

14:00

which celebrities did this come to

14:03

naturally? Oh my gosh.

14:06

I think some people I'll tell

14:08

you who it didn't come to

14:10

naturally. I remember hearing so many

14:12

things about Miley Cyrus. You know

14:14

Miley when she first started working

14:16

on Hannah Montana she couldn't say

14:19

birthday. She would say birthday

14:21

with an F and and

14:23

there's like there's a lot of you

14:25

know she she had like a lot of speech uh

14:29

like struggles and she had the flippers

14:31

in her teeth and like you know

14:33

do you know what those are flippers

14:35

they're like yeah when you're missing teeth

14:37

and so she I think has really

14:39

done the biggest turnaround. I

14:42

just remember it's so unbelievable but there's

14:44

a big huge part of

14:46

Disney when they cast someone

14:48

on one of their shows it's

14:51

so much more than how they do in

14:53

the audition. They talk to the parents a

14:55

bunch they chat with the actors the kids

14:57

when they come into the audition room like

14:59

this is when they're in the final kind

15:02

of stages. They ask them a lot of

15:04

questions in a scary environment right you're in

15:06

a big conference room with 20 people lights

15:08

camera all of the thing and there these

15:11

adults are asking these 12 year old questions

15:13

but it's on it's intentional right they're never

15:15

going to put someone on their shows at

15:18

that age that aren't that aren't somewhat

15:20

well spoken and able to

15:22

kind of pull it together but child actors

15:24

are unlike anything else. They're I mean

15:27

I say this with love but they're like robots

15:29

they're able to just like pull it together because

15:31

they want those jobs so bad. Okay so it's

15:33

like ingrained in them is what you're saying. I

15:35

think so. I think so it's like they're born

15:37

with it or without it yeah yeah yeah I

15:39

think so. I get that I could see that.

15:42

Okay somebody wants to know did you

15:45

see the Miley Cyrus Selena Gomez Nick

15:48

Jonas love triangle play out.

15:51

I didn't I didn't see it play out but

15:53

I was around kind of at that time I

15:55

wonder what year what that was if I can

15:57

think back. I feel like this was.

16:00

So when the Jonas Brothers started to become

16:02

a thing, they also had a series on

16:05

the network at the time. But

16:07

I wasn't on the same lot

16:09

as them, but they would come here and there

16:11

like they would come into. So

16:13

we worked at Hollywood Center Studios, which at

16:15

the time was, we were doing

16:17

Sweet Life on Deck and

16:21

that was the Zack and Cody show. And

16:24

then in the next stage over was,

16:27

there's a bunch of different shows, but that was the

16:30

Selena Gomez show. Wizards

16:32

of Waverly Place was right next to

16:34

us. And then on the same lot,

16:36

just across was, I think

16:39

it was called So Random or like

16:41

whatever Demi Lovato show was. I can't remember specifically

16:43

what the name of the show was because it

16:45

kept changing. So we were around

16:48

that, but Miley Cyrus's show didn't shoot.

16:50

Hannah Montana didn't shoot on our lot.

16:53

So it was almost like because it

16:55

wasn't specifically right next to us, we didn't see

16:58

all of that every single time, if you know what I

17:00

mean. Yeah, I think it

17:03

though, it's just like they just all had crushes on each

17:05

other. It was very incestuous. It's kind of like what we're

17:07

seeing, you know, with all these

17:09

shows and with all these networks. It's like everyone

17:11

just hooks up with everyone. Do the adults like

17:13

you were an adult, right? Like in this on

17:16

the set, do the adults gossip about

17:19

these like love triangles and cast

17:22

crushes or you kind of just like

17:24

let the cast and the kids deal

17:27

with that. I'm just curious. A bunch

17:29

of them would come into our office.

17:31

My partner, my casting partner, Brandi and

17:33

I, we were young. I mean,

17:35

I was 26 when I started

17:37

casting Sweet Life and Jack. So 26 verse,

17:39

you know, some of the 40, 50

17:42

year old writers. I think that

17:44

they connected with us. We were young, we

17:46

were friendly, we were kind of, you know,

17:48

we were the ones auditioning all the

17:50

actors. So a lot of the actors on the set

17:52

would come up and hang out in our office and

17:54

they would tell us a little bit of the gossip.

17:57

So we had like a little bit of a different

17:59

report, but because. we weren't, you

18:01

know, on like we were upstairs from the

18:03

set, but because we weren't like the AD

18:06

or the, um, the PAs that

18:08

were on the set, we didn't hang out with

18:10

them usually when they were shooting as much. We

18:12

were with them during the table

18:14

read days and the run through days and the

18:16

rehearsal days. But we got a

18:18

lot of the good gossip, like when people had

18:20

crushes on each other. Remember, at that time, there

18:22

wasn't social media the way it is. So like,

18:25

we didn't, we would just chat with them. We

18:27

didn't, we weren't able to like go

18:29

online and be, Oh my God, you posted a picture

18:31

with yesterday. There was none

18:33

of that. Yeah, which was probably freeing

18:36

for them. And it would probably would

18:39

have been a lot worse. I can

18:41

only imagine mentally for the only imagine.

18:43

Right. Okay. I don't know if

18:45

you know the answer to this. But someone wants

18:47

to know, is it true that Selena Gomez was

18:49

offered Camp Rock before Demi Lovato? I don't know

18:51

the answer. Okay, that's okay. I wouldn't

18:53

be surprised. Okay. Although,

18:56

although listen,

18:59

some people just have better voices and Camp

19:01

Rock was such a musical show. And

19:03

I mean, Demi Lovato

19:06

can sing like that girl

19:09

always was really able to sing and I'm not

19:11

saying Selena couldn't, but I don't know if Selena's

19:13

voice was as strong as

19:15

Demi's in those days. Okay,

19:17

fair enough. Someone

19:20

wants to know how how was Selena Gomez

19:22

as a person during her teenage years. So

19:25

I just, I met her a couple of times and

19:27

she was always so kind. See, this is a thing.

19:30

It's like, there was a couple people that we would

19:32

see here and there that were kind of, you could

19:34

tell were kind of jerks. But for the most part,

19:37

all these young child actors, like we

19:39

were seeing them when they were 12,

19:41

13, 14, like young.

19:44

They were so for the most

19:46

part trained to be kind, to

19:48

be sweet, to be courteous,

19:51

especially to the adults. And

19:53

I think they all were, you know,

19:57

almost like, that's what

19:59

I'm saying. like a robotic experience for a

20:01

lot of these. Maybe towards each other,

20:03

there was a lot of more cattiness

20:07

between their cast mates and there was a little bit

20:10

of ganging up on certain sets. But in terms

20:12

of- Yeah, somebody asked if there was bullying going

20:14

on. That was gonna be my next question. Okay,

20:17

so on Sweet

20:20

Life on Deck, I

20:22

don't wanna call anyone out, but on Sweet

20:24

Life on Deck- No, don't call anyone out.

20:26

I won't call anyone out, but I'll just

20:28

explain. Debbie Ryan was new to the show

20:31

when Sweet Life of Zack and Cody turned

20:33

into Sweet Life on Deck. Remember Ashley Tisdale

20:35

left, Brenda Song stayed,

20:38

and Dylan and Cole stayed, and then a

20:40

couple of other people. But for the most

20:43

part, we had to do a whole new recasting when

20:45

we got that show. And so we

20:47

went and searched high and low for Debbie Ryan,

20:49

which we ended- I mean, for that character, Bailey,

20:51

which we ended up finding Debbie Ryan. Now,

20:54

Debbie was a 15-year-old, 14, 15, I

20:56

can't remember, that

21:00

was obsessed with the show. Like, she was

21:02

a fan of Sweet Life of Zack and

21:04

Cody. And so for her to come to

21:06

LA and like meet everyone and have to- You

21:09

don't understand, she had to meet Dylan and Cole

21:12

on the day that she was screen testing

21:14

for the show. So like, I

21:16

told you already how nerve-wracking and scary it is to

21:19

be on the 21st floor of the

21:21

Disney building before you're auditioning. And right before we

21:23

brought her in, when we were working with her,

21:25

we were like, oh, by the way, here's Dylan

21:27

Sprouse, or here's Cole Sprouse. And she was like,

21:29

okay. And then she

21:31

had to go in and audition. I mean, can you imagine

21:33

like so scary for a little kid? But

21:36

she was the new one. She was the new girl.

21:38

And I can say a lot of things about, you

21:40

know, all kinds of things, but in general, I do

21:42

remember her coming. There was a lot of tears. There

21:45

were a lot of tears. There was a

21:47

lot of conversations with

21:49

Disney people about treatment. I

21:52

think, I don't know if it

21:54

was like a specific trying to make her feel bad

21:56

or also just the fact that like, you

21:58

know, they already had an established. friendship all

22:00

these people on the show and

22:02

now she was coming in and maybe

22:05

they didn't love that new dynamic. So

22:07

there was a lot I do remember a

22:09

lot of that. Okay and justice for Debbie

22:11

Ryan like we talked about this last time

22:13

how she's having like a resurgence or she did

22:16

on TikTok. Yeah like where is

22:18

she now? I haven't really been following but

22:20

I don't. I mean she's been

22:22

in something recently I forget what

22:26

streamer it was on but I think she was

22:28

in like some sort of like made for Netflix

22:30

movie or something like that. Interesting

22:32

okay I'm gonna have to check it out.

22:35

But they're pulling up all of her

22:37

old red carpet interviews and

22:39

you know sort

22:41

of making fun of her quirkiness but it's

22:44

endearing you know I'm sure it doesn't

22:46

seem like she minds I'm sure she knows

22:48

all about it but there was a time

22:50

on a TikTok where that was happening. Really?

22:52

Okay I need to get on that side

22:54

of TikTok. Oh my god you have to

22:56

see it. It's actually people like people memorize

22:58

word for word her red carpet

23:00

answers. Really? Why? What were they like? Because

23:02

it's just like really funny and quirky I

23:05

don't and then they and then they act

23:07

them out. I'm telling you it was like

23:09

a thing. That is so strange

23:11

and now I'm googling her and looking at images.

23:13

I mean she is stunning. I will tell you

23:16

something about Debbie like I

23:18

have always Debbie didn't get

23:20

the best you know reputation

23:22

around just a lot of people had you

23:24

know positive and negative things to say. Actually

23:26

it's about every single one of these people

23:28

there's always positive and negatives I feel like

23:30

but but Debbie to me

23:33

I have a soft spot just because

23:35

we really did like pluck her out

23:37

of you know her bedroom. I

23:39

mean honestly she auditioned on tape in her bedroom

23:42

and and that was my

23:44

first big show as a

23:47

casting director so I will always remember

23:49

that but it's

23:52

just so crazy it's crazy to think

23:54

number here's something that Brandi my partner

23:56

and I always noticed when we were

23:58

doing this. Disney had

24:00

a face that they wanted to

24:03

find for their shows. And

24:05

Debbie and Selena have the same face. I don't

24:07

know if you recognize this, if you look at

24:09

pictures from when they were younger. It's

24:12

like Debbie fit a mold of

24:14

like a perfect Disney look. Do

24:17

they talk about this behind the scenes? It's

24:21

kind of like Shirley Templey. Yes.

24:23

It's this baby face kind

24:26

of round baby face with

24:28

big eyes. Beautiful. I mean,

24:30

like button noses. Like they're both, they

24:32

have the same face. If you look

24:35

at Selena Gomez and Debbie Ryan

24:37

from back in the day, of course Miley Cyrus

24:39

is different, but she was a celebrity already because

24:41

of her dad. And that was a big get

24:43

for Disney to get, you know, her and her

24:46

dad. Demi Lovato almost had

24:48

a little bit of it too. Like Vanessa

24:51

Hudgens, they all had this

24:53

like... It's kind of interesting.

24:56

It's weird. It's like Disney

24:58

was attracted to a specific look

25:01

and it was hard to kind

25:03

of get them to as

25:05

we got older, I mean, as the, like we

25:07

were doing it longer, I think

25:09

they were more open to like the

25:12

quirkiness and the different characters, but for

25:14

their leading roles, for their leading girls, they

25:16

really wanted a specific look, I

25:18

think. That makes a lot of sense now that

25:20

you say it. Makes a

25:22

lot of sense. Well, let's talk about Zendaya. We

25:26

talked about in the last episode how you discovered

25:28

her. Somebody

25:31

asks, what was casting

25:33

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25:35

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my God, I don't think she had any

28:59

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29:01

things to say about Zendaya. Zendaya

29:03

is the one person I think in this

29:06

Disney world that has never

29:08

like, I've never heard

29:10

bad things. I mean she really honestly, I'm

29:12

sure there are stories, but I've not heard

29:15

them. So Zendaya, I wish

29:17

I remembered her agent's name. She

29:19

obviously was submitted to us. The way it

29:21

works is like we got the script of

29:23

Shake It Up, which

29:26

was called Dance Dance Chicago. And

29:28

the writer, the

29:30

man, his name is Chris Thompson. I

29:33

hope I'm saying it right, Chris Thompson. He

29:35

sadly passed away. But

29:37

he was an incredible writer and

29:39

he had such a career behind him. And

29:41

he was an interesting guy. I mean definitely

29:43

an interesting guy. But we

29:46

worked alongside him to audition these

29:49

two girls. And we

29:51

interviewed everyone. We auditioned every single

29:53

person. So many people who then

29:55

became stars in their own way.

29:57

But when we met Zendaya,

30:00

She came in because she was submitted just like

30:02

everyone else. She had no resume. She had some

30:04

print ads. And when you

30:06

look at Vendee, I mean, how can you

30:09

not fall in love, right? She's gorgeous, gorgeous.

30:11

And she was also talented. She

30:13

had the ability to dance. And dancing

30:15

was a big part of the show. So she

30:17

came in, she auditioned, she was so

30:20

sweet. Of course, like, such

30:22

an amazing look. She's, you

30:24

know, she's biracial. Of

30:27

course, we brought her over to Disney and they fell in love

30:29

with her. I mean, I don't

30:32

think she had any idea. Her parents are also

30:34

the kindest people they were, at least at the

30:36

time. And I think that's

30:38

hugely important to say that if you have

30:41

good parents in this industry, it does

30:43

change the path for

30:45

you because the amount of

30:47

bad parents we've seen and then their kids

30:49

are just like not

30:52

doing as well. It's really unbelievable. But

30:54

I don't think she had any idea.

30:56

I don't think any of us had

30:58

any idea because Bella Thorne, who actually

31:00

had a resume already and

31:03

was working a lot and came from a family

31:05

of actors and had a bigger agent at the

31:07

time, she got the

31:09

lead role. But I mean,

31:11

obviously, Zendaya's career has definitely taken a

31:13

different path, like a much bigger path

31:15

than Bella. And it's

31:18

interesting. Well, I would think that

31:20

that probably wasn't the plan. But that happens.

31:25

People, specifically celebrities, they get on the

31:27

wrong path and I think it derails

31:30

their plans. Do you know

31:33

anything about the Lizzie

31:35

McGuire reboot? No, I don't. And

31:37

I mean, I know they were going to do it

31:39

a couple of years ago, right? Or last year? I

31:42

think it was like 2022 or 2021. I

31:47

mean, I just know that they fully cast

31:49

it and they were going to do it.

31:52

As far as I know, actually, one

31:54

of my friends, sister-in-laws, was cast

31:56

as a series regular. And then it

31:58

just kind of went away. I don't really

32:00

know. What do you know about it? What is the story

32:03

that they're saying? I

32:06

don't know anything about it. I know that it

32:09

was... was it announced officially

32:11

or was there just rumors and then

32:13

maybe... I'm pretty sure it

32:15

was fully announced. I don't know what happened.

32:17

I would have to post and see if

32:20

anyone who worked on it

32:22

would have Intel. Well, the Hollywood

32:24

Reporter says Duff announced Hillary's... Duff

32:26

announced the reboot. Sorry. The

32:28

reboot was no longer

32:31

moving forward. Oh, in

32:33

2020, after the project had been announced, she

32:36

says that they got scooped. She

32:38

didn't need to be doing bong rips and

32:41

having one night stands all the time, but it had to

32:43

be authentic. So she wanted the show to feel like

32:46

she was actually growing up and like

32:48

it wasn't... Got it. And then Disney

32:50

was scared, I guess, too. Okay. The

32:52

creative differences. Yeah, I think that

32:55

makes sense. Yeah. Someone

32:58

wants to know, Dan Schneider, did everyone just

33:00

know he was creepy? Flash,

33:03

were they afraid to speak out against

33:05

him? I think. Okay. So when

33:07

Dan was really like doing his thing

33:10

at Nickelodeon, I was working

33:12

more for Disney, but I had heard so

33:14

much about Dan. And in fact, I was

33:16

like so tripped out. Do you remember? Do

33:19

you know who Dan's wife is? No.

33:22

Okay. Dan's wife had a very,

33:24

very popular... I guess

33:26

it wasn't Instagram at the time. I don't even know.

33:28

It was called The Hungry Girl. So

33:30

yeah. So he was married

33:32

to this woman who had a brand

33:34

all about eating healthy. And I always

33:36

just found it so interesting and so

33:38

hypocritical considering that her husband Dan, I

33:41

mean, if you look at pictures of

33:43

him, this guy is nothing close to

33:45

the picture of health. He is a

33:47

large human being, a large mammal. But

33:50

he... I had heard rumblings

33:52

less about the stuff that came out later,

33:54

which was like what was going on behind

33:56

the scenes with him and the women or

33:58

the girls on the and

34:00

more about just kind of how he ran

34:02

his writer's room and a little bit of

34:05

what sounded like controlling abusive behavior,

34:07

you know, behind the scenes. Right.

34:12

Wasn't there something like he had a foot

34:14

fetish? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And

34:17

I learned all about that from, you

34:19

know, like the Ariana Grande

34:21

and Jeanette McCurdy. Right. So,

34:23

Jeanette McCurdy's book, which came out a couple

34:25

years ago or last year, I'm so glad

34:27

my mom died or something along those lines.

34:30

One of the best books I've ever listened

34:32

to, honestly. And I didn't have

34:34

a relationship with Jeanette personally, but just

34:36

because knowing how she grew up and everything

34:39

around that, it was really,

34:41

really, uh, I

34:43

would say eye opening and to hear all

34:45

the stories. I don't know if she actually

34:48

names Dan by his name, but it's just,

34:50

it's gross. Gross. Won't.

34:53

Um, okay. Let's change gears off of Dan

34:56

Schneider. So obviously what you're saying is that

34:58

like people knew. I

35:00

think everyone had like a vibe. That's the thing about

35:02

a lot of these people. It's like when they do,

35:04

sorry, when they do

35:06

come out with a, uh,

35:09

you know, a story like this, it's

35:11

very rare that people are, that are

35:13

in their circles are like, what? No.

35:16

Right. It's usually like, oh, finally

35:18

they got found out. You know? That's

35:20

so funny you said that because I was

35:23

just interviewed for an Irish publication

35:25

about Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and

35:27

Jennifer Aniston. And I literally, they

35:29

asked me if I was surprised

35:32

about, you know,

35:34

the alleged affair and like what went on. And

35:36

I said, I was surprised, but I guarantee everyone

35:38

in the industry was not. The

35:41

industry always knows first. They always know

35:43

first. Yeah. And it's

35:45

really, it's so true. It's a small

35:48

little world. Yes. And they just

35:50

wait and wait until, you know,

35:52

this crazy shit comes out. And then behind the

35:54

scenes, everyone's like, you're like, you just said, it's

35:56

so funny. You just said that you just Reinforced.

36:00

That. I answer was

36:02

yeah any and and like

36:04

at this is a whole other

36:06

topic but the it I was

36:09

privy to crazy crazy conversations and

36:11

it just dynamics and experiences in

36:13

that behind the scenes situations

36:15

like and writers' room especially on

36:18

a lot of these kids

36:20

shows like crazy things that. Would.

36:22

Never fly did I ever? or maybe

36:25

they do. I don't out because I'm

36:27

not and writers are many more about

36:29

and he another early two thousand. It's

36:31

just like unbelievable what kind of thing

36:33

these these guys mostly diet that all

36:35

guys got away with in terms of

36:38

how they spoke to. Or

36:40

about females Or about us either. And

36:43

yeah and under age is oh my god.

36:45

Well underway, spores, shirts and me. We had

36:47

a crazy experience and I'm not going to

36:49

say sale and wide but honest show that

36:52

I worked on on a very early one

36:54

of my first Disney shows that I worked

36:56

on am one of the cast members with

36:58

sparingly yarn. And

37:01

see. I'm.

37:04

To with over age so she was

37:06

definitely illegal. But. See.into: a

37:08

relationship with someone on the

37:10

sad. Who. Was working on

37:13

the site. Am. In

37:15

Production and he was. Quite

37:17

a bit older. Like thirty years old Are

37:19

probably or twenty years old? Or at least.

37:21

An I'm you know, had an ex

37:24

wife and a kid and it was.

37:26

I mean. It. Was this some

37:28

crazy stuff you saw? Crazy. Wow. Yeah.

37:31

In that same sense I'm somebody

37:33

wanted to know was there are

37:35

a lot of underage partying. I

37:37

never showed up. The name names

37:39

know yeah totally. I never personally

37:41

saw any land at like getting

37:43

drawn to or partying. I'm sure

37:45

they did staff like asked. That

37:47

may be an after school or

37:49

after it's you know production raft

37:51

of but like from what I

37:53

was. Aware as. I.

37:56

think there was pretty much a tight

37:58

ship in production like because their

38:00

dressing rooms were just off the stage.

38:02

And a lot of their parents were around,

38:04

and Disney executives, Nickelodeon executives, they

38:07

were all kind of around. So

38:09

I think it would have been very hard for them to get

38:11

away with, you know, parting on set,

38:13

but I can only imagine on the weekends

38:15

or after, you know, they were off

38:17

doing their thing. But I never personally thought, remember there

38:19

was no social media either like that. So it

38:21

wasn't like we were following them on Snapchat. Right.

38:24

Somebody else wants to know kind of the same question.

38:26

Without names, what's the craziest

38:28

thing you've ever witnessed? Without names, what

38:30

was the craziest thing? Well,

38:33

one of the actresses on one

38:35

of the shows that I worked on who

38:38

was playing a teen ended

38:40

a marriage of

38:43

a friend of mine's marriage because

38:47

he had an affair with her and

38:53

he was working on the show, like in

38:55

production as well. And he

38:57

was married, like, and, you know, for

38:59

a long time, like I went to the wedding and

39:02

ended up having an affair with one of the girls

39:04

who played a teenager, yeah. And they ended

39:06

up moving in together and everything. I have no idea what

39:08

ended up happening, but I know they're not still together. Was

39:11

she legal at the time? Yes, yes.

39:13

Okay. Yeah. Well, so

39:15

like that's the thing is a lot of the older

39:17

teens were playing, you know, 16 and 17, but

39:20

they were really 19, 20 or maybe 21. Later

39:24

it became very much like they wanted true

39:27

12 year olds to play 12 year olds. They didn't want 15 or 16

39:29

to play 12. And

39:31

I think that's because they knew the longevity

39:33

of Disney or Nickelodeon, like they wanted three

39:35

seasons out of it. And so they

39:38

wanted to make sure that we were gonna get, you

39:41

know, like grow up with

39:43

them and not have them all of a sudden be

39:45

adults still playing kids, like Beverly Hills, right, I got

39:48

that. A lot of questions about Amanda Bynes. I don't

39:50

know if you had any interactions with her or have

39:52

any thoughts about her or what

39:54

she was like. Yeah, I personally didn't. She was

39:57

like right before my time. I mean, I watched

39:59

her growing up. like when I was a little bit younger,

40:01

but once I started working,

40:03

she was already outside of the Nickelodeon family. I

40:05

mean, I don't know where she was at that

40:07

time, but she was 100% like a,

40:10

she is the prime

40:13

example of how this can go wrong.

40:16

And she was so damn talented that

40:18

girl, when you watch back and see

40:20

her on all those shows on Nickelodeon,

40:22

like it's unreal how good she was,

40:24

how adorable she was and how well

40:26

loved she was. And I

40:29

mean, not really like,

40:31

you know, speaking out of turn by saying that

40:33

her life went a very, very odd,

40:36

different path. Hopefully she's doing okay now,

40:38

but it's, it's pretty

40:40

crazy and pretty sad. I think she was

40:42

like very in the Dan Schneider world as

40:44

well. Yeah, I think you're

40:47

right. Same question about Shia

40:49

LaBeouf. I don't know if he was also before your

40:51

time or if you had any interaction with him. So

40:53

the first casting director I ever worked for

40:56

her name was Joey Paul. And she was,

40:58

I was an intern for her first right

41:00

after I graduated college and she worked on

41:02

That's So Raven. And that was the show

41:04

that we worked on, but just across town

41:06

at a different studio, like kind of in

41:08

a pretty crappy neighborhood in

41:10

LA really strangely, there was another small

41:13

studio and that's where they were

41:15

shooting Phil of the Future. And Joey cast

41:17

it, that my boss cast that show as

41:19

well. So with Christy Carlson Romano and not

41:21

Phil of the Future, even Stevens and Phil

41:23

of the Future. Phil of the Future was

41:26

right after even Stevens. Yes, that's what it

41:28

was. So even Stevens was just rapping when

41:30

we started and then Phil of the Future

41:32

was going on all, but it was all

41:34

kind of similar production people. And

41:36

so some of the people that I ended

41:39

up working with they

41:42

were became like, this is so crazy,

41:44

but like one of the writers assistants

41:46

and another producers assistant on the show

41:48

that we worked on, they all had

41:50

a relationship with Shaya because of even

41:53

Stevens. And so they were

41:56

producers on Shaya's a

41:58

short film. that Shaya

42:01

produced years ago. And

42:03

we shot it downtown. I was working in the

42:05

casting side of it. And

42:07

we shot it downtown and he was

42:09

like super, super cool. I mean, Shaya

42:11

was like a cool, cool dude. I

42:14

don't remember ever getting like a, I

42:16

definitely got like an ego arrogant vibe,

42:18

but after we worked with him, once

42:20

he kind of left that, that's when

42:22

things started to get a little bit

42:24

wild with him. But at that time,

42:26

he was just like creative and smart

42:29

and really like just, I

42:31

just remember thinking he was like, he

42:33

had his shit together. Interesting. I wonder

42:35

what happened there. Yeah, because he's definitely,

42:38

I think he talked about his struggles with alcohol. Maybe

42:40

that had something to do with it. I

42:42

think he did. I think he's talked about it. A

42:45

lot of it is just parting and overparting and

42:47

too much parting. And then of course, it's like,

42:51

I mean, we just have to remember what

42:53

it's like growing up, knowing that you're everything.

42:56

I mean, I had a whole experience

42:58

working as an acting coach after I

43:00

stopped casting and I was an

43:02

acting coach for kid actors around the country. And

43:05

they would spend so much

43:08

money to come to

43:10

Los Angeles to put themselves

43:12

up, to stay with people, to stay in

43:14

an apartment, whatever, for pilot season, for months

43:16

and months on end, like literally straight out

43:18

of the movies. They would come to me

43:21

and spend so much money coaching with me

43:23

for every single audition that they had. They

43:26

would buy me gifts and like I would

43:28

just get so many perks from working with

43:30

these kids because their moms and their dads

43:32

just wanted them to book. And

43:35

then, you know, some of them did and most of

43:37

them didn't. And it's

43:39

got to be a crazy lifestyle. I can't

43:41

imagine. Well, someone wants to know,

43:43

again, this is a good segue. Who are

43:45

the best parents? Like which young

43:48

celebrities had, they're

43:50

using the word best parents, but then

43:52

they clarify and say, did any of

43:55

these parents prioritize education for

43:59

their kids? I'm sure a lot of

44:01

them did. Um, I'm, let me try to think

44:03

like off the top of my head who I

44:05

can remember. That was amazing. I mean, we worked

44:07

on a bunch of different shows through the years.

44:10

Um, but there was people like

44:12

Jenna Ortega's mom was fantastic. Wonderful.

44:15

She was so kind. Kayla Mazanette. I don't

44:17

know if you know who that, that is, but she

44:20

was on, I mean, I cast her

44:22

so many times through the years, but she

44:24

was on, um, stuck in the

44:26

middle with Jenna Ortega. So she was one of

44:28

the sisters on that show, but she

44:30

was also a cast

44:32

her on a Nickelodeon pilot called Shma Gregi. I mean,

44:35

don't even ask what kind of a name that is,

44:37

but that was like when she was like 12 and

44:40

I loved her mom and I still do,

44:42

um, a lot

44:44

of Zendaya's parents, like I said, were

44:47

great. Um, I'm trying

44:49

to think there was a lot of

44:51

like grandparents on the set a lot,

44:53

but I think, yeah, totally like Jake

44:55

Short. I don't know if you know

44:57

who he is, but Jake Short. He

44:59

has a podcast with, um, Matthew,

45:02

Steven, Steven Perry or whatever. He

45:04

was also another, uh, kid

45:06

actor, but Jake Short was in the show, Ant

45:08

Farm that we cast with China McLean. And

45:11

he was, he, his grandma was always around kind

45:13

of taking care of him. That a lot of

45:15

times that happened where the grandma was like the

45:18

main parent because the parents couldn't be there.

45:20

You know, they still had other kids, other

45:22

places. Um, so there was

45:25

a lot of really, really nice kind families.

45:27

I'm sure I'm forgetting some who were just

45:29

good and just wanted their kids to be

45:31

good. But it's like, I don't

45:33

know if they, any of them prioritize education,

45:35

because if you're putting your kid on a

45:37

Disney show as a series regular, you know,

45:40

you know that they're only getting a

45:42

couple hours of school per day and it's

45:44

kind of like for school, it's not even,

45:46

um, you know, it's not even because the

45:48

parents are saying they have to, it's because they have to do

45:50

it to get on set. Right.

45:52

Right. Exactly. There are regulations, right?

45:55

Like California state regulations. Yeah. It's

45:57

all union. It's totally everything is.

46:00

very, very watchdog. Like to be

46:02

a child on set, there's crazy,

46:04

crazy rules that

46:06

you have to follow in terms of how many hours you can

46:08

work. That's why there are so many

46:10

babies that are twins in real

46:13

life because like when we

46:15

were casting, when we cast back in the middle, the pilot

46:17

with Jenna Ortega, the baby sister

46:19

was two girls. And

46:22

it was because each one being

46:24

that they were so young under two years old or whatever,

46:26

they could only work maybe 45 minutes or an hour a

46:28

day. So

46:30

you had to kind of get twins. That's why there

46:33

was two, Mary-Kate and Ashley's. Right. Have

46:35

you ever seen Austin Butler

46:37

audition for anything? Okay, so he

46:39

started as a guest star on

46:42

Hannah Montana. That was his first job. Then

46:44

he did like a little iCarly. Yeah,

46:47

I mean, he would audition for us. Like

46:49

he was in and out of the offices all the time. He was

46:51

on Zoey 101. That's right. He

46:54

would be in and out of audition rooms all

46:57

the time because he was one of,

47:00

so like the way it worked was there

47:02

was a few kids that

47:04

were just so phenomenal and

47:07

could really nail every

47:09

audition. There were almost like kids that

47:11

we would take straight to producers because the way it

47:13

works is like there's a pre-read, which

47:16

is just for casting. And then if they're good, they go

47:18

to producers. And if they're good for producers and you're looking

47:20

for a series regular, then you go to like Disney and

47:22

Nickelodeon for a screen test. So there

47:24

were actors like Austin Butler that were just

47:26

so good that they were always on every

47:28

list. If you were looking for a boy

47:30

that was, you

47:33

know, the handsome heartthrob leading boy at

47:35

that age, 14, 15 or

47:37

whatever, he was definitely gonna be on the list. A

47:39

couple of years before Zach Efron was always on the

47:41

list. It was just kind

47:43

of like that. There was always that one kid that was

47:46

going to be on every list. Noah

47:48

Centineo, do you know who he is? Yeah,

47:50

of course. I didn't even know he was

47:52

in any Disney or

47:55

Nickelodeon. We worked really, really

47:57

hard to get Noah booked.

48:00

on every single thing that we did. Like

48:02

Noah was one of those actors that we just

48:05

knew he was going to be amazing and

48:07

we could not get like, there's a lot of

48:09

actors that were so phenomenal and such good actors

48:11

just were not Disney kids and they weren't Nickelodeon

48:13

kids. And he may have booked like a

48:15

guest star here and there, but it was

48:18

weird. Some kids,

48:20

Disney or Nickelodeon just didn't want, maybe

48:22

it was comedy, maybe

48:24

it was the fact that they just didn't see

48:26

the leading role, but it was very frustrating for

48:29

us because that happened to us all the time

48:31

where we would audition kids that we just knew

48:33

were phenomenal, but Disney or Nickelodeon or even later

48:35

MTV, like all the networks, they have people on

48:37

their list that they're just like, no, we don't

48:39

like them. That's so crazy. Because ultimately it comes

48:41

down to one person. Everyone says that like there's

48:43

so many cooks in the kitchen and there are,

48:46

but ultimately like at

48:48

Disney, if Gary

48:51

who was the head of Disney TV, Gary

48:53

Marsh at the time, if Gary didn't

48:55

like the person, it

48:57

was a no go, no matter what. So

49:00

the goal here was to kind of

49:02

sweet talk Gary into liking. And

49:04

that's how it worked on all of the networks. At the

49:06

end of the day, the head of the network or studio

49:09

had to sign up and if they didn't, they didn't want

49:11

to be bullied into saying yes on someone no matter how

49:13

good the actor was, it was over. That's

49:16

so wild. I wonder if they have, they must

49:18

have regrets for people that they

49:20

have to. Like

49:22

Victoria Justice, like we tried

49:25

to get her on Disney and they said no and they

49:27

ended up putting her on Nickelodeon. Jenna

49:29

Ortega, we tried to get her on Nickelodeon. They

49:32

ended up putting her, of course they didn't, you

49:34

know, cast her and then she ended up going

49:36

to stuck in the middle for Disney. There's

49:39

a lot of kids like that, a lot of them,

49:42

that they just like some networks just didn't really see

49:44

and then they ended up going to the other one

49:46

and becoming a huge star. Okay, somebody asked this question.

49:48

This is perfect for what we're talking about, but I'm

49:50

going to change the wording a little bit because

49:53

you kind of named

49:55

a bunch of celebs that you

49:58

just said like flip-flopped Disney. Nickelodeon or

50:00

Nickelodeon to Disney but are there

50:03

any stars that

50:05

auditioned for shows and

50:08

didn't end up booking it but

50:10

became famous later on so is there

50:13

any now celebrities that didn't

50:15

make it to Disney or Nickelodeon that are

50:18

now famous? Oh my

50:20

god for sure but I need to

50:22

like try to think specifically. Okay. Yeah

50:24

you could think about it somebody well somebody is

50:26

this is sort of also in conjunction I'd be

50:29

curious to know who else was in the running

50:31

for the big roles like Wizards of Waverly Place

50:33

and iCarly. So because I didn't cast those I

50:35

don't know their final list and I'd be so

50:37

interested but like the ones that I worked on

50:39

I mean ultimately like some of them

50:41

it's so crazy because some of them went on

50:43

and just like became you know names

50:46

like for example okay like like a lot

50:49

of the girls that are on you know the

50:51

ABC Family type shows like the Pretty Little Liars

50:53

those girls they

50:56

all went through the Disney

50:58

world like trying to get them on

51:00

a show and it just didn't work or

51:03

they did get shows but they never got

51:05

the series regular they never got the lead so

51:08

that we were finding all the time like the

51:10

the next big you know

51:12

teen star that was on another network all

51:15

try we tried so hard to get them on

51:17

because there's really not even though we think there's

51:19

so many actors out there there's really not that

51:21

many that are that good like

51:24

no I believe it you

51:26

auditioned so many yes there's like

51:28

thousands that will come into audition

51:30

but there's really only like

51:32

a good solid you know maybe

51:35

20 to 30 girls in this age

51:37

range between 12 and 14 years old

51:40

that can act and then a lot of times they have to

51:42

be able to sing or dance as well and

51:44

have the right look so it's

51:46

like we ended it was a little bit of a

51:48

revolving door so what we would do a lot of

51:50

times is we would you know put people on hold

51:52

we would see people we would like put a pin

51:54

in them and then especially if it

51:56

was pilot season and then you know CBS would

52:00

come to us and be like, we want to audition,

52:02

we would say we have a hold on them. You

52:04

know, it was like, it was very competitive. That's what

52:06

pilot season used to be for

52:09

the entertainment industry. It's like there was a period

52:11

of time where everyone would cast their pilots

52:13

and the kid actors were, you know, very

52:15

few and far between. And there's there's just

52:17

wasn't that many. So we would just like

52:19

go all in and try our hardest to

52:21

try to get as many people as we could

52:24

on our networks to very competitive.

52:26

And Disney just didn't pay nearly

52:28

as much as, you

52:30

know, other networks did. But what

52:33

Disney did give was like ultimate stardom for a

52:35

lot of these kids. Like a lot of a

52:37

lot of the groundwork. Yeah. And

52:39

a lot of these kids did not want to do.

52:41

So it was weird because there was a lot of

52:43

kids that are like agents or managers who wanted their

52:45

kids to be on Disney because they knew it was

52:48

going to be three years of a solid show and

52:50

they would, you know, become names or whatever. And then

52:52

a lot of people didn't want them to because they

52:54

were going to be pigeon holed as Disney stars, which

52:57

also is a curse. It's not necessarily always

52:59

a good thing to not anymore, though. I

53:01

feel like don't you feel like now it's

53:04

proven that that I know what you're saying

53:06

that that stigma

53:08

is not valid. Like all

53:11

the people we were just talking about, Austin

53:13

Butler's and Daya, Selena Gomez, like Jenna Ortega,

53:16

like in some great,

53:18

great roles over the past

53:20

couple of years. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

53:22

I'm just kind of going through it so funny.

53:24

I'm just kind of going through my

53:27

emails for for the last show that I

53:29

ended up casting, which was stuck in the

53:31

middle. And I'm getting like I'm just

53:33

trying to find some good names for you because it

53:35

was so many people that we, you know, brought to

53:37

producers or whatever towards the end. But

53:39

it was such a crazy time. So

53:42

when you see a show like Pretty Little Liars

53:45

become such a huge success as a casting

53:47

director, were you just like, oh, I

53:50

told you so. Like, you know what I mean? Like Lucy Hale

53:52

should have been. Yes.

53:54

A big role in. Yeah. Lucy, we

53:57

would audition. Yeah. Lucy, we would

53:59

audition all the time. I'll never forget one

54:01

of the jobs that we got, which was

54:03

the craziest. And it was for, we got

54:05

a call randomly to do this, the show

54:07

called Mackenzie blue, which is, was out of

54:09

nowhere. And it was at the audition was

54:11

at the Beverly Hills hotel, like

54:14

off of the polo room

54:16

with all these like huge

54:18

celebrity music, like masters,

54:20

right? These like really big deal music

54:23

producers were working on it. And,

54:26

um, I don't know how they got our

54:28

number. I don't know why they hired us. It

54:30

was so early on, but we ended up

54:32

working on it. We brought so many people

54:34

to them like Lucy Hale. We brought, um,

54:36

we brought Bella Thorne. We brought, Oh, you

54:38

know, who, who was a huge one for

54:40

us who became kind of a bigger star. Her

54:42

name is Caitlin Deaver. Do you know

54:44

who she is? If

54:47

you looked her up, let me see what

54:49

she's like most famous for, but you

54:51

would definitely recognize her. She has been

54:53

in, okay. Now she's

54:55

26 years old. She was

54:57

on, she became a series regular

54:59

on the last man standing. Um,

55:01

then she was on dope sick.

55:04

She was in Dear Evan Hansen, the

55:06

movie. She was in book smart. What's

55:09

her name again? Caitlin Deaver. K a I T

55:12

L Y. And yes, yes, yes. Book smart. Yes.

55:14

I know exactly who that is. Sorry. I think

55:16

in my head I was pronouncing her name differently.

55:18

Oh yeah. Okay. So some people say Deaver, some

55:21

people say Deaver and it was right before. I

55:23

mean, I think, I don't even know if she,

55:26

if we ever actually cast her, we may

55:28

have cast her as like a small little

55:30

role. She was so

55:32

phenomenal. And I remember bringing her cause she

55:34

could sing. She was playing the guitar. She was

55:36

so adorable. So we brought all these like really

55:39

big stars over to, um, Mackenzie

55:41

blue and to see like the, this producer

55:43

session in front of all these really big,

55:46

um, music producers and nothing ended up

55:48

happening with the project. They just completely

55:50

took it away. It was based off

55:52

like a book and they completely

55:55

went away with it. And then before you know

55:57

it, all of these, um, All

56:00

of these girls went on

56:02

to become these big stars. There was a girl who

56:04

was in that show, that movie, The Orphan. She

56:07

was one of the girls that we brought in. Yeah,

56:09

I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

56:13

So that's kind of how it worked. Oh, another one that we would do

56:15

was we would audition a lot of times like five-year-olds for these small little

56:17

roles. And so Ella, who

56:19

ended up being Piper on

56:21

Henry Danger, Ella Anderson,

56:24

I don't know if you know that name. I

56:26

don't. We're all old. So

56:28

it doesn't... I don't know how old

56:30

you are. Thanks, Dada. Sorry. You're

56:32

like, you're probably 16. She

56:35

was Piper on Henry Danger. So she's been

56:37

around forever on that show. She's very, very

56:39

popular. She's 18 now. But

56:42

we cast her as like a five-year-old and she had

56:44

one little line. But it's like, you know when you

56:46

know. Yeah. That's

56:48

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it varied, obviously. If

58:58

you were someone that was on

59:00

a variety of different, you

59:03

know, networks and you've worked on different shows and you

59:05

have a quote, because that's how it works. It

59:08

was like it was based on your quote

59:10

a lot of times, but most kids didn't

59:12

really have like a working quote already. And

59:15

so what they would do is they would, you know,

59:18

usually offer like a very base amount.

59:22

So for the pilot, it

59:24

would be a certain amount. Like

59:26

maybe I could be, you know, I

59:29

don't remember exactly how much for the pilot, but

59:31

then they would pay them. They

59:34

signed a contract during the pilot of

59:36

how much they would pay them per

59:38

episode for that entire season. And so

59:41

sometimes it would be like $7,500. Sometimes it would be $10,000.

59:45

Sometimes it would be $20,000 per episode. It

59:48

really just varied. But the difference,

59:50

like what's crazy about it is because

59:52

you're signing away everything before you even

59:54

get the job, if you

59:56

become like a massive, huge star, your contract

59:59

is gone. to not make more

1:00:01

money for the next however many years, maybe

1:00:03

just a little bit of a bump. So

1:00:06

the money was never phenomenal for Disney stars.

1:00:08

It really wasn't. Disney pretty much I

1:00:12

think is known as a network that just

1:00:14

never really paid that much to their

1:00:17

talent. Whereas if you

1:00:19

were a series regular on

1:00:21

ABC show or a CBS show or

1:00:23

whatever, you could be making upwards of $50,000

1:00:26

an episode depending on the show. So it

1:00:29

really just depends. But kids kind of get screwed because they

1:00:31

don't have a quote to come in with. Once you have

1:00:33

a quote, you kind of have to match that quote

1:00:36

going forward. So

1:00:38

if you're new on the scene, if you're

1:00:40

like Selena Gomez, right? I don't know her

1:00:42

exact resume, but she was on like Barney

1:00:44

and then I think she jumped right

1:00:47

into Wizards or was she on some, I don't know if

1:00:50

she was on a few things before that. But if you're

1:00:52

pretty new to the scene, like how

1:00:54

do they come up with

1:00:59

what they're initially paying you with? You said it varies. It

1:01:01

could be, I think to me, there's a big difference between

1:01:03

$7,500 an episode and

1:01:05

$20,000 an episode. So how do they quantify

1:01:07

that? I would say you're not, if you're

1:01:09

a little kid, like you're not getting that much, you're not

1:01:11

getting $20,000 an episode. Age,

1:01:14

you're saying like it also could

1:01:16

do with age. I think age

1:01:18

is a big one and previous

1:01:20

experience. Like Disney knows that they, that

1:01:22

most people are dying to be on their network.

1:01:24

And so they can get away probably with paying

1:01:27

a little bit less. And also the agents and

1:01:29

managers that are working in

1:01:31

this world, like they've been doing deals

1:01:33

for Disney and Nickelodeon stars for God

1:01:35

knows how many years. And

1:01:37

so because of that, like they, they

1:01:40

know that like they

1:01:42

know what they're dealing with. They send their actors

1:01:44

in knowing kind of what

1:01:47

the rate is and they're not planning on getting

1:01:49

like a crazy amount of money knowing

1:01:52

that, you know, most likely it won't be

1:01:55

a very expensive budget. Right.

1:01:57

Somebody wrote in, I'm not sure what this

1:01:59

is in reference. I'm assuming Dylan Sprouse said

1:02:01

this in an interview. I can't

1:02:03

believe Dylan Sprouse was body shamed

1:02:05

on set. I feel

1:02:07

so sorry for him. Okay, so I saw

1:02:10

this clip. So Chrissy

1:02:12

Carlson Romano has a podcast and

1:02:15

I don't remember what it's called like maybe

1:02:17

vulnerable or something like that I don't know.

1:02:19

She was the older sister on Even

1:02:22

Stevens with Shia LaBeouf. So

1:02:25

she has a podcast and

1:02:27

just recently they had the

1:02:29

woman Kim who played Who

1:02:33

played Kim Rhodes is her name and she played

1:02:35

Dylan and Cole Sprouse's mom on Suite Life of

1:02:37

Zack and Cody And so

1:02:40

that was the first show remember I came in

1:02:42

on Suite Life on Deck and Kim came back

1:02:44

a couple times But because the show was based

1:02:46

on like I was kind of

1:02:48

like a traveling see-school

1:02:52

The parents weren't really around so

1:02:54

what she was talking about is basically at

1:02:56

some point Dylan I guess was standing at

1:02:59

Crafty. Crafty is craft services for anyone that

1:03:01

doesn't know being on set you have like

1:03:03

tables and tables of just junk and food

1:03:06

and so she

1:03:08

was there and she

1:03:11

saw I guess Dylan going and trying to get

1:03:13

something to eat and apparently

1:03:15

someone They

1:03:17

say Disney exact like in the press

1:03:20

but that took the clip But she

1:03:22

says how are you able to write for

1:03:24

kids and think this way? So I think it

1:03:26

was one of the writers Who basically

1:03:28

probably the executive producer the showrunner the

1:03:31

writer who basically said like no, we're

1:03:33

not eating this We can't do this

1:03:35

anymore because basically Dylan was was getting

1:03:38

a little bit. I guess gaining

1:03:40

a little weight Okay, and

1:03:42

that was something that was a

1:03:44

hundred percent a real thing It's

1:03:47

the first time I heard about it with Dylan specifically,

1:03:49

but I know absolutely there

1:03:52

were Conversations behind the

1:03:54

scenes all the time. I don't know how much

1:03:56

they talked to the parents about it or

1:03:58

the kids about it about not

1:04:00

letting them overeat, not letting them gain

1:04:02

too much weight, not letting

1:04:05

them do certain things. It

1:04:07

was a big, it was a

1:04:10

conversation, like 100%. That's

1:04:12

so crazy. And between seasons, you

1:04:14

didn't want a kid to come back after

1:04:17

hiatus, after three months and

1:04:19

be a completely different weight. That's fucked up,

1:04:21

that's the pressure. Totally fucked up. That's what

1:04:23

it does on these kids, yeah. It

1:04:26

is totally fucked up, but at the same time,

1:04:29

it's unfortunately, it is a

1:04:32

business. And so they had no

1:04:34

choice but to, not

1:04:37

no choice, I don't say that like that,

1:04:39

but I think now things are very different.

1:04:41

Now in the world of TV, quirkiness is

1:04:43

in and being different

1:04:45

is in. And you see it now, the

1:04:47

shows that my kids watch, which I don't

1:04:50

even know what they're watching, but the shows

1:04:52

that they watch, there's always a gay character

1:04:54

or a chubby character or

1:04:58

someone that is all kinds

1:05:00

of different ethnicities. And I know that they were

1:05:02

really big on diversity, Disney was, but we

1:05:04

weren't talking about being gay on the shows, there

1:05:06

was none of that talk. It

1:05:09

was maybe implied, we did have a couple

1:05:11

of characters that we would cast, his

1:05:13

name was Matthew Timmons and his

1:05:16

character was Woody and it was on Sweet Life

1:05:18

on Deck and he played this gross, dirty kid.

1:05:23

And they definitely wanted a chubby guy.

1:05:27

And so the whole character was written around the fact

1:05:29

that he was chubby. It wasn't like he was a

1:05:31

chubby guy just playing a kid. He was

1:05:33

a kid that had to play the chubby. Got it.

1:05:35

You know what I mean? Yeah, also

1:05:38

full stop. Yeah, it actually is

1:05:40

like looking back, it is. His full character was

1:05:42

about him being like gross and wanting to eat

1:05:44

all the time and you know. Yeah,

1:05:47

had you ever heard anything

1:05:49

about a feud between Ariana

1:05:51

Grande and Jeanette McCurdy on

1:05:54

Sam and Kat? I never personally heard

1:05:56

about it, but then I read all about it.

1:05:58

I mean, like I'm sure it's real. I

1:06:00

actually heard, listen, I've never met Ariana Grande,

1:06:02

but a lot of my friends, you

1:06:04

know, our agents and managers and reps her and then a

1:06:06

lot of people that I worked with worked with her. And

1:06:09

just honestly, I mean, I didn't hear

1:06:11

the best things of how

1:06:13

she was off like, not on set, right?

1:06:16

I've heard some things too. I don't know if she's

1:06:18

different now. She was she was younger than you know,

1:06:20

I think that people change. Absolutely.

1:06:25

I mean, I really don't know much about her, you

1:06:27

know, now at all. But

1:06:30

but I think that, you know, some kids

1:06:32

that have so much talent just have

1:06:34

like an element about them

1:06:36

that just kind of walks through like, you

1:06:39

know, like their shit doesn't sink type of energy.

1:06:41

Right. Somebody wants to

1:06:43

know what is your favorite memory from

1:06:45

That's So Raven? It's their favorite show

1:06:47

or it was their favorite show. Oh

1:06:49

my God. The musical episode was my

1:06:51

favorite episode. I'll never forget how amazing

1:06:53

it was. There was one episode. Number

1:06:56

one, That's So Raven has such a soft spot in

1:06:58

my heart because I was brand new

1:07:00

to this industry. And I mean, I grew up

1:07:02

here in LA, but I came back from UC

1:07:04

Santa Barbara, got right onto this job, met my

1:07:07

boyfriend who was also working on the show and

1:07:09

all of our friends. So like, it felt like

1:07:11

just like the most fun thing ever. And

1:07:14

so every Thursday and Friday, they would shoot the

1:07:16

show on set and Friday nights would have the

1:07:18

live audience that would come in. So it was

1:07:20

just the energy was high. And

1:07:22

this one week, I'll never forget they did a musical

1:07:24

episode where they had an amazing person kind of come

1:07:26

up with all these lyrics and this, these,

1:07:29

these insane, like great songs. And

1:07:32

the show is still available, the episode and

1:07:34

they're all amazing singers. I mean, you have

1:07:36

Raven Simone, you had Annalise Vanderpole, you had

1:07:38

Orlando Brown who, poor thing, I

1:07:40

don't even know where he is now, but like you

1:07:42

had all these really, really talented people and

1:07:45

great choreography and costumes. And

1:07:48

it was the best week ever. It was so much

1:07:50

fun. I'll never forget it. So

1:07:52

that was obviously one of your favorite shows to

1:07:54

work on. We asked that question too. I

1:07:57

would say it was my favorite show to work on because

1:07:59

I was so. It was so novel

1:08:01

to me. It just felt

1:08:03

so freaking cool to be on

1:08:05

set of a show that I

1:08:07

would have just watched on TV. Everything

1:08:11

was just so new. I was so excited to be there. I was

1:08:13

22 years old. Now, someone like

1:08:15

Raven Simone, like we were talking about the

1:08:18

episode payment

1:08:21

structure, I feel like someone like her

1:08:24

would be on the higher end because she was

1:08:26

on such a successful series before that. I mean,

1:08:28

now I'm really dating

1:08:31

myself, but the Cosby

1:08:33

Show, she was like the star of the Cosby

1:08:35

Show. So what I remember about

1:08:37

Vazzo Raven and I can't speak like in 100% but

1:08:39

it was a show about

1:08:42

something else. It was a nut. Okay, then

1:08:44

the pilot was named something else.

1:08:48

And it was not with that with Raven

1:08:50

as the lead. It

1:08:52

was with another girl

1:08:55

and Raven, I think

1:08:57

was cast as the friend.

1:09:00

And this happens a lot. Okay, so here, absolutely

1:09:02

psychic. That's what it was

1:09:05

called. It was called absolutely psychic. It

1:09:07

was in 2001 where Raven Simone starred

1:09:09

as the best friend. I

1:09:11

wonder who the lead

1:09:13

was. But the test audience, so what they do

1:09:15

is like, you know, they shoot the pilot, they

1:09:17

create the whole thing and then they show it

1:09:19

to a bunch of different test audiences and kind

1:09:21

of get some ideas. And then from there, they'll

1:09:23

recast or retool. A lot of times they'll make

1:09:26

a show like they'll take it

1:09:28

from a single camera show to a multi-camera show

1:09:30

or vice versa, you know, whatever. So

1:09:32

after, you know, the test

1:09:35

audience really liked her. Producers

1:09:37

really liked her. So everything was retooled to include

1:09:39

her in the main role. And all of a

1:09:41

sudden, because they had Raven Simone, they just decided

1:09:43

to call it that's so Raven because Raven was

1:09:45

a little bit more of a

1:09:48

popular person, you know? Oh, yeah. And

1:09:51

she like, anyone who

1:09:53

watched the Cosby show, like when it actually aired,

1:09:56

she stole the show, every scene she was in. I

1:09:58

mean, she's so. talented.

1:10:00

She is so

1:10:03

funny, so talented. She always made us laugh.

1:10:05

Like she was, it's pretty unbelievable

1:10:07

like how young she was. I don't even know

1:10:09

how old she was at the time but she

1:10:11

was a teen and to be like her dad

1:10:13

would always be around. I remember like it's

1:10:16

really pretty crazy to hear you

1:10:19

know to know that she was so young and able to

1:10:21

do it. Yeah. Okay

1:10:23

the final question I have is somebody wants

1:10:25

to know why didn't she cast me when

1:10:27

I auditioned for all that funniest kid in

1:10:30

America search? Oh my god that is the

1:10:32

funniest thing because I don't think I cast

1:10:34

her. Did you cast that? All

1:10:36

that funniest character? Oh my gosh maybe I

1:10:38

did I don't remember it. No I'm no

1:10:41

one said you were great. You know what

1:10:43

I used to say? I used to say

1:10:45

just not the right timing or this

1:10:49

is not the right rule not right for this so

1:10:51

maybe that was it. I mean that's the

1:10:53

craziest thing is it's like it's so hard

1:10:55

to find these characters but what I always

1:10:57

say and this is for any like young

1:11:00

actors or even older actors that are listening

1:11:02

to this is like there's when

1:11:04

I think about the role of Zendaya

1:11:06

right we auditioned thousands of girls for

1:11:08

that role and it's all the same

1:11:10

script and it's all the same stage

1:11:12

direction and it's all the same like

1:11:15

no one has any more knowledge than anyone

1:11:17

else when they come into that audition the

1:11:19

only thing that they're able to do is

1:11:21

bring themselves and their own take to it

1:11:24

and some people just can come in and

1:11:26

just encapsulate the role it's so it's like

1:11:28

not even something you can really explain it's

1:11:31

just they are the role and there's no other way it

1:11:33

could go you know yeah and

1:11:35

you are a good casting agent

1:11:37

for yeah

1:11:40

and bringing us these these

1:11:43

some of these talents that are you know still

1:11:47

cook putting out work today yeah I was just

1:11:49

looking at my on I did

1:11:51

a show called haunted pathways and these

1:11:54

by the way these names of these shows tell

1:11:56

me they are the best name

1:12:00

100 Hathaways, TV, everything. You're

1:12:03

like pulling out these names of shit that I've never

1:12:05

heard. And it's like, God,

1:12:07

they must have a field day. So like

1:12:10

we ended up casting, this is for a 13 year

1:12:12

old girl. The year was, hold on, I'll tell you,

1:12:14

it was 2012. Okay.

1:12:18

And we were looking for a 13 year old girl. Well,

1:12:21

we ended up casting a girl named Amber Montana.

1:12:23

You may not know who she is, but

1:12:25

the final people that were testing,

1:12:27

I don't know if you'll know

1:12:29

some of these names, but here are some of the people

1:12:31

that were in the final like

1:12:34

producer sessions that you'll recognize for sure.

1:12:37

Sabrina Carpenter. I

1:12:40

don't know if you know Rowan Blanchard, Olivia

1:12:42

Rose Keegan, Kira Kasarin. Do you

1:12:45

know who Kira Kasarin is? She was also

1:12:47

a big, she has a song on the

1:12:49

radio. She's like, she was a Nickelodeon girl.

1:12:54

And I'm trying to think if there's any, Brooke Sorensen, I

1:12:56

don't know if you know any of these names. But

1:12:58

it's all girls that went on to

1:13:00

have like, you know, pretty decent careers doing

1:13:03

other things like it's, it's,

1:13:05

they all like, if

1:13:07

you're good, you're going to find a role at the end of

1:13:09

the day. And not saying that like, if

1:13:12

you didn't ever get cast that you're bad, but it's

1:13:14

just, I think if you're really talented and you have

1:13:16

the drive and you have like the persistence and you'll

1:13:18

still go in. Oh, this is funny.

1:13:21

Tori Keith. You want to hear like

1:13:23

a total random story, this girl,

1:13:25

and then we'll be done. So Tori Keith. Tori

1:13:28

Keith is a girl who, she was 13 in 2012. Sorry

1:13:32

to yell your age, Tori. So Tori

1:13:34

was so cute, such a great singer.

1:13:36

We would bring her in for everything.

1:13:39

Loved her. Then in 2016, my partner

1:13:41

and I became talent agents for adults

1:13:43

at an agency. So we totally left

1:13:45

casting and became an agency. And we

1:13:47

were trying to find people to rep

1:13:49

that we loved. And so we

1:13:51

were going through all these people that we loved and

1:13:53

we thought, let's bring in Tori Keith. We ended up

1:13:55

bringing her in, signing her. And then

1:13:57

we stopping agents. Well, just

1:13:59

yes. the Vanderpump Rules new

1:14:02

trailer drops, okay? Or just, you

1:14:04

know, whenever we're... Whenever this comes out,

1:14:07

the Vanderpump Rules new trailer drops. And in

1:14:09

that trailer, did you watch it? Are you

1:14:11

interested at all in this deal? I

1:14:13

didn't watch it, but I know. My

1:14:18

listeners love Vanderpump. Okay, so

1:14:20

in the trailer for the season 11, there's

1:14:23

this one girl who has pink and

1:14:25

black hair, and she's saying that she

1:14:27

has a crush on both Tom Schwartz

1:14:30

and Katie Maloney, you know, exes. And

1:14:32

you see her making out with both of

1:14:34

them, and then Katie Maloney goes, well, let

1:14:37

the, you know, the best man win. Well,

1:14:39

that's Tori Keith. And I

1:14:41

just texted her yesterday. It's wild. I

1:14:43

texted her and I was like, you've got to be freaking joking

1:14:45

me. You're on Vanderpump Rules making out with

1:14:48

Katie and Tom? What

1:14:50

are the chances? And I know this little girl is a

1:14:52

13-year-old. Wait, now I want to watch

1:14:54

the trailer. You got

1:14:56

it. Yeah. I didn't realize it was that

1:14:58

juicy. I thought they were still stuck on

1:15:00

all the Sandoval stuff. No, you got to

1:15:02

watch it because there's this whole thing where

1:15:04

they're saying that Tom Schwartz hooked up with

1:15:07

Sheena during his marriage to Katie in

1:15:09

Vegas, but I have a whole conspiracy

1:15:12

theory about it. But anyway. Okay.

1:15:15

Well, thank you so much for

1:15:18

coming on and giving us so

1:15:20

much of your time and insight about what it

1:15:22

was like behind the scenes. I mean,

1:15:24

the time of everyone's favorite shows on Nickelodeon

1:15:26

and Disney, and you are welcome back anytime.

1:15:28

But tell everyone where they could find you

1:15:30

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1:15:33

as well. Thank you. So I

1:15:35

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1:15:45

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1:15:48

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1:15:51

out there in the streets. Yeah. Boots on

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