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Hey, everyone.

2:36

Welcome back to Do You.

2:38

Hey, Ferris. Hey there. How

2:41

are you doing? Great. How are you? I

2:44

am so excited for this episode because

2:47

we have as our guest Molly McPherson,

2:49

who is a PR and crisis management

2:52

expert, a podcaster,

2:54

and an internet personality. But today

2:56

of all days, we are going to be talking

2:59

about three huge celebrity

3:02

crises.

3:03

Is that the right word? Crises.

3:06

Crises. And we are going to get Molly's

3:08

take. So welcome to the podcast,

3:11

Molly. Yes. A PR

3:13

crisis is all about timing. So

3:15

I think it's fortuitous that I'm speaking with you

3:17

today. I'm excited. I

3:19

know because we could have just been running

3:22

down our usual list of topics, which is like

3:25

so-and-so broke up or so-and-so is dating,

3:27

but this is so much more intense. So

3:30

I'm so happy to have you help

3:33

us navigate through these

3:35

three really, really serious

3:37

topics. So

3:41

we're going to get started right away. The first thing we

3:43

are going to be talking about, Ferris, is what? Taylor

3:45

Swift and her tour down in Brazil.

3:48

So people put out an article with the headline

3:51

on Saturday that read, Taylor

3:53

Swift says she is, quote, devastated after

3:55

fan dies shortly before Brazil heiress

3:58

tour show Friday. Right.

4:00

So People magazine is stating

4:03

that a fan, if you

4:05

guys aren't filled in on this, you're

4:07

supposed to fill them in. Oh, so sorry there.

4:10

I'm sorry. I figured I

4:12

said the most popular person in America. Everyone

4:14

just knows. Okay. Right. So a fan passed away,

4:16

tragically. Correct.

4:19

People magazine is stating that it happened

4:21

before the show. I think

4:23

that there are a lot of Brazilian

4:26

fans that are challenging

4:29

this sentiment. The timing of it. The

4:32

timing of it. Someone actually messaged me

4:34

and said about Taylor and the fan

4:36

that died in her concert. The

4:38

girl died during her concert.

4:40

By the way, the girl's name is Anna. Taylor's

4:44

PR is spreading this false narrative

4:46

that the girl died before the concert.

4:49

That's not true. Her friend said

4:51

she started feeling sick

4:53

during Taylor's second song.

4:56

The fans in Brazil are very disappointed

4:58

with Taylor and her producers. They didn't

5:01

even help the girl's family to bring her

5:03

body home or with the funeral.

5:05

An investigation is taking place in Brazil

5:07

because the production company is accused

5:10

of blocking

5:11

the ventilation in the stadium so that people

5:13

outside wouldn't be able to watch the concert.

5:16

This is what made the stadium even

5:18

hotter than it was outside. The

5:20

other thing is that they only gave water

5:22

once during the concert. I'm assuming

5:25

that means they only offered water

5:27

for sale once during the concert.

5:30

I'm not really sure. I've never been to a concert in Brazil. They

5:33

didn't let people enter the stadium with their

5:35

own water bottle. I can send

5:37

you the articles in Portuguese if

5:39

you want. So they did send me one

5:42

article in Portuguese. We

5:45

did have someone who is Brazilian

5:47

translate it. What did it say? So here's a

5:49

loose translation of the post

5:51

from the Brazilian publication. Taylor

5:54

Swift ignores the death of a fan. That's

5:56

the headline. That is the headline. On

5:58

the second show, she didn't say anything. say anything

6:00

about the fan. After

6:02

she postponed Saturday's concert, she came back

6:04

to the stadium on Sunday. The

6:07

performance happened the day after the fan

6:09

died and she didn't mention anything

6:11

about this fan. Right, and then the third

6:14

part of this is that some

6:16

Brazilian fans had planned to

6:18

hold up signs at the concert

6:21

the day after, or two days after Anna

6:23

passed

6:24

in

6:25

memory of Anna, and

6:27

they were going to do this in between Champagne

6:29

Problems and whatever song she sings

6:31

after that. But for whatever

6:34

reason, Taylor went

6:36

right into the next song

6:38

and there wasn't a break in between Champagne

6:41

Problems and the song that she usually sings after

6:43

it. So now fans are speculating

6:46

that her team did this on purpose.

6:49

So there's a lot of speculation going on. There's

6:51

a lot of divide. I did post

6:53

a little bit about this. Some

6:56

fans are saying,

6:59

Taylor, speak up. Why aren't you speaking up more?

7:01

Why aren't you doing something to help the family? Some

7:04

other fans are saying,

7:05

totally the production company's fault. Taylor

7:07

should not be to blame.

7:09

Molly, what is your take? I want your full

7:11

take on this. How should Taylor

7:13

handle this going forward? What should she

7:15

have done differently up

7:17

until now?

7:18

Well, do I will say we must have

7:20

the same people dropping into our DMs

7:22

because I almost had the same pose

7:25

for word come into my

7:28

inbox as well. I

7:30

did a Live Last Night

7:32

on TikTok and talked extensively about

7:35

this. Of course, it's

7:37

tragic. The death of

7:40

anyone, particularly at a concert, a

7:42

Taylor Swift concert, it's tragic

7:44

for Anna Clara Benitez. It's for

7:46

her family and also for all these

7:48

Swifty fans everywhere. I mean, it really is

7:50

like a jarring stop to

7:53

what everybody has forgotten about,

7:56

which is Taylor and Travis.

7:59

It brought it to a close. a dead halt. So now,

8:02

when a death like this happens at

8:04

a concert, what I have

8:06

been saying to people on the live

8:09

or, you know, on my Patreon, whatever it is, what

8:11

Taylor has to do when there's a PR crisis,

8:14

if there are any type of legal implications

8:16

involved, legal always

8:19

comes first over reputation, 100%

8:22

of the time. So speculating

8:25

as well, what is likely happening

8:28

behind the scenes is Taylor

8:31

as a company is working

8:33

with the venue with legal, she probably

8:35

has hired legal counsel in Brazil,

8:37

to sort through what happened

8:40

and who's going to be implicated on it

8:42

and where the liability falls. I

8:44

mean, certainly no one is suggesting

8:46

that Taylor Swift caused

8:48

the death of this fan. However, there's

8:51

going to be questions, you know, on the ride or

8:53

what does the contract say? Who has

8:55

control of deciding when to

8:57

call a concert or not? If the

8:59

conditions are dangerous, nobody

9:02

knows that right now. So likely behind the

9:04

scenes, lawyers are figuring that

9:06

out. From a public relations

9:08

crisis perspective, that's

9:11

secondary, but what she is trying to

9:13

do along, you know, her team and Tree Payne, what

9:15

they're trying to do is control

9:17

the narrative as much as

9:19

they can. And where we saw

9:21

this happen is when the story,

9:24

you know, happened from Friday night into Saturday

9:26

morning, where I first

9:28

noticed it is just from Taylor Swift's

9:30

Instagram story post. That

9:33

is where we see the first indication

9:36

that Taylor Swift, team Taylor Swift

9:38

was trying to control that narrative.

9:41

And I'm actually surprised by it. Now,

9:43

we don't know, maybe

9:45

someone said something to Taylor, though I

9:47

want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not sure.

9:49

It's the fact that she chose

9:52

in the first graph of that statement

9:54

to say that

9:56

she was devastated, that there was a fan that

9:59

was lost. before the

10:01

show. That was a very

10:04

direct statement and a choice

10:06

to put that not just in the statement but in the

10:08

first graph of the statement when clearly

10:11

we know even from Anna's best friend

10:14

she was there and like you said do it was the

10:16

second show. Now what usually

10:18

happens in a crisis when one bad thing happens

10:21

it's like the dominoes start to fall you

10:23

know and that's when people start to speculate

10:26

and to look at what's happening here. I

10:28

know that people are upset you know in Brazil

10:31

why isn't she saying anything why you know

10:33

and in the statement she also said I am

10:36

NOT speaking from the stage about this.

10:38

These are all strategic moves

10:41

that are there to protect the reputation

10:44

because this is not going

10:46

as planned because not only

10:48

has she lost the narrative

10:50

in Brazil with the fans she

10:53

was supposed to be in in the

10:55

US at it's Monday Night Football. This

10:58

was the big day for the NFL

11:00

and for Taylor and for Travis Kelsey to

11:03

all come together and reveal

11:05

the parents you know together at the game.

11:09

Watching that game and seeing no Taylor

11:11

there and them mentioning it it really shows

11:13

what a big crisis this is all

11:15

around. Yes and I

11:17

do think that that was the right move. I mean well she couldn't

11:20

have been at the game but even let's say she

11:22

was at the concert. Right let's

11:24

say Molly that there was no concert

11:26

and she was in the US do you think she should have

11:28

showed her face at that game? I'm gonna say no

11:30

but what do you think? Oh absolutely

11:33

not no yeah she she definitely

11:35

did not and I think the timing of it is so

11:37

bad too because even last night if

11:40

you were to if you were to call

11:42

up the story on the internet or even on People

11:45

magazine then the number

11:47

two trending story was Travis

11:49

Kelsey in the Wall Street Journal magazine.

11:52

You know likely coordinated by Taylor's

11:54

team to put him in there and that entire

11:57

article is framed.

11:59

to make it

12:02

all about

12:02

the fairy tale connection

12:05

between the two. What I thought was interesting

12:07

is that Travis Kelsey is starting to dance

12:09

around exactly how he met

12:12

with Taylor in the first place. It wasn't

12:14

so organic. Like he admitted that

12:16

there were intermediaries involved,

12:18

but the number one trending story was

12:21

Anna's father, who could not pay

12:23

for her body to be shipped back home.

12:26

That is devastating in

12:28

the public relations sense. So I

12:30

can assume that behind the scenes, Taylor's

12:33

team right now, they are in a

12:35

mode where they are trying to control

12:37

the narrative. And you can even see

12:39

it in the most recent stories. You

12:42

look at Taylor now and you Google it. They're

12:45

going to the old standby, wardrobe malfunctions.

12:49

Like that's the news that they're pushing out there. So

12:51

they're trying hard to make the story go away.

12:53

Well, let me ask you this. Well, first of all,

12:56

let me say that the Wall Street Journal article,

12:58

I think it's important

13:00

to say, even though this is obvious, was

13:03

written months before this

13:05

tragedy. Oh, absolutely.

13:08

But the timing of the drop

13:10

could not have been worse.

13:12

Right.

13:14

Or better, you're saying, because you're saying— No. I

13:17

mean, really worse, because when you look

13:19

at these two stories side by side, the

13:21

death of a fan at Taylor Swift's concert

13:24

standing next to a profile

13:28

about Travis Kelsey and these fancy

13:30

clothes in this photo shoot, the

13:32

contrast could not be worse from

13:35

a reputation PR perspective.

13:37

Right. Right. I see what you're saying. So

13:40

as far as her team pushing out

13:42

these

13:44

stupid things about her shoe,

13:48

do you really think that Tree is

13:51

actively pushing out these stories? Or is

13:53

she just so clickable right

13:55

now, her and Travis, so clickable

13:58

right now that

13:59

they're reporting—

13:59

on literally every move they make because

14:02

I know and I've said this a million

14:04

times, whenever I create a

14:06

reel about Taylor and Travis,

14:09

it goes viral. It doesn't even

14:11

matter what it's about. So my thing

14:14

is that I think that Instagram

14:17

and TikTok push out that content

14:20

independently of anything that tree pain

14:22

would ever conjure up behind the scenes. I

14:25

just think that it's now its own

14:28

working machine. They don't even need

14:30

tree. They don't even need her team

14:32

pushing this out. It's now like this self

14:35

sustaining machine of Taylor

14:37

and Travis information because people can't get

14:39

enough. They'll read any article

14:41

about either of them that it doesn't

14:44

even need to be this premeditated. I

14:47

agree with you 100% that

14:49

the content mixed with the algorithm

14:52

is so intense and so powerful right

14:54

now that it has become

14:57

its own self propelled machine. I

14:59

agree with you 100%. But

15:01

in my work, I look

15:03

for patterns. I look for timing

15:07

and it's the timing of the

15:09

stories and how simple

15:12

and silly these stories are coming

15:15

out at the same time that

15:17

they're hard launching

15:19

the Travis Taylor package.

15:22

We've seen them for months now. But now

15:25

we're really seeing the culmination

15:27

of the Travis and Taylor come together with that

15:29

Wall Street Journal article. But

15:31

I really do think that there are

15:33

intentional spun

15:36

stories that are being put out there, at least

15:38

being pointed in the direction for

15:40

the purpose of creating even more internet

15:43

clutter to try and make the stories,

15:45

tamp down the stories out of Brazil. In

15:48

your opinion, what do you think her

15:50

next move should be? Once all

15:52

the legal stuff is figured out, do you

15:54

think that she should make a monetary contribution

15:57

to the family? Because

15:59

that is something that

15:59

people have pointed out

16:01

in my DM, like she's a billionaire,

16:04

she couldn't even pay for the body to be transported,

16:06

she should have paid for the funeral, the family

16:08

had to put up a GoFundMe and the fans

16:11

paid, like they're upset about that aspect

16:13

of it too. Do you think that that is

16:15

something a celebrity would do and make public?

16:18

Well, you know, it depends.

16:20

You know, in Taylor's case, I mean,

16:22

I can say we can all say this looking at it. Taylor

16:25

Swift did not have a direct hand

16:27

in the death of that fan. Okay, she

16:30

shouldn't be blamed for that death. But we do

16:32

not know how her company

16:35

and the production and the heiress tours, if

16:38

there's any type of liability there. That's

16:41

what it all comes down to. Taylor

16:43

Swift cannot do

16:45

anything or make any

16:47

connection to that family whatsoever, while

16:50

they are looking at the legal liabilities.

16:53

Yeah, say it louder. Because Taylor Swift gave

16:55

money for that people to pay for the fact. She can't

16:57

do that. No, say it louder. Because I think

16:59

that I think that I

17:02

understand that I think you understand that I

17:04

think a handful of, you know,

17:06

like minded individuals understand

17:09

that. But I think that the fan base as a

17:11

whole does not understand that they don't

17:13

get that that's what she needs to

17:15

wait for. She needs to get the green light, probably

17:18

on so many different aspects of

17:20

what happened before she can do anything. And

17:22

actually, the number one thing I said to people who

17:24

are upset and in my DMs is give her a minute,

17:27

give her time, let's wait and see what

17:30

she really does do. Yes,

17:33

I there is no doubt that Taylor

17:35

Swift will do something. Taylor Swift never

17:37

leaves anything on the table ever.

17:40

The only true misstep that I've really

17:42

seen her make as far as like a true

17:44

professional reputation situation

17:47

was the jet story because there I thought

17:49

there were so many other avenues

17:51

and talking points that they could have used to make that

17:54

jet story go away. But they didn't they

17:56

they kind of bungled that one. So they don't

17:58

want to mess this one up because because this

18:00

one involves a fatality and it's so

18:02

incredibly important. What I think Taylor's

18:05

gonna do is I don't necessarily

18:07

think she's gonna do anything at the direct

18:10

level for Anna's family. She could do

18:12

something privately. I don't see her

18:14

leveraging any type of gift,

18:17

whether it's monetary or reaching out to the family.

18:19

I don't see her leveraging that because that would blow back

18:22

on her face. I believe that

18:24

she's going to take a tact like

18:26

ticket master, that

18:28

she may now be the artist who

18:31

speaks out on fan safety, something

18:35

along those lines. I mean, because ticket master dynamic

18:37

pricing, that got to the point where it got up to Congress.

18:40

And now it's like the Taylor Swift bill. That's

18:42

just my gut tells me she's gonna come

18:44

at it from that level. So this crisis

18:46

will go away and people will not associate

18:48

her with fan depth. Yeah,

18:51

I think that that's actually a really, really,

18:53

really good point. I'm so glad

18:55

you said that. I agree with you. I

18:58

think that she will do something on a bigger level

19:00

and maybe something privately for the family.

19:02

I think everyone needs to just like take

19:05

a minute. Yes, it's a tragedy.

19:07

It's horrible.

19:08

I think it's hard for people to

19:11

differentiate the fact,

19:12

all the different

19:14

things that you said, all the details of this tragedy

19:17

and her, right? People are just

19:19

automatically pointing their finger at Taylor

19:21

because they don't know where else to point it to. Exactly.

19:24

And there's not a lot of answers there. There's

19:28

a statement from the venue, but it's

19:30

not making the pain go away. So when you have

19:32

a fervent group of people

19:34

like Swifties, it doesn't matter who the

19:36

group is. When there aren't answers, it

19:38

leaves them unsettled and they need to get settled

19:41

and there's no answers. So, and unfortunately

19:43

Taylor can't say anything. Her hands

19:45

are tied. Her hands are tied. Yeah, I think that

19:47

that is a really important takeaway from

19:50

this part of the podcast. And

19:52

I just want everyone to know all her Brazilian

19:54

fans who reached out to me. I

19:58

wanted to save this discussion for the... podcast

20:00

and I'm so happy you're here Molly again I'll say it again

20:02

I didn't really post about it in depth

20:05

on my Instagram account

20:07

because I felt like this was something that needed to be talked

20:09

out so if you are a fan who reached

20:12

out to me and saw the coverage on Instagram

20:14

know that you know yes

20:16

I realized it wasn't extensive I was waiting

20:19

for

20:19

the podcast

20:20

to talk about this with Molly so Molly thank

20:22

you so much for your insight on

20:24

this I think it's it's really important

20:26

that we listen to everything that

20:29

you said it makes perfect sense it was I'm not a PR

20:31

crisis manager but just from you

20:33

know kind of being in this world the past four years

20:35

like I thought all the same things that you

20:38

thought in my head and that's what I was trying to comfort

20:40

people by telling them just like give it a minute

20:43

you know see what she does because I agree with you

20:45

she's not one to leave things

20:47

on the table

20:48

she's me

20:49

right yeah so we'll see how this how

20:51

this plays out and I agree with you as well like I have so

20:54

many people contacting me from Brazil and

20:56

telling you know the real story there so there is a lot

20:58

of pain down in Brazil there is no doubt

21:01

but you're absolutely right and I think we agree on

21:03

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21:05

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22:32

just got this feeling that maybe

22:35

he was the one. He was the one

22:37

that what? That had been

22:39

murdering.

22:43

What's next, Paris? Did he controversies? Okay,

22:46

so let us give you a little bit

22:48

of background about this. First of all,

22:51

I want to bring up someone

22:53

who has been all over TikTok. I'm going to

22:55

say for the past year, her name's

22:58

Jaguar Wright. Are you familiar with her, Molly?

23:01

No, I'm not, but I'm moving right

23:03

now. She's

23:05

got things to say. She has a lot of things

23:07

to say. I've actually been down

23:10

many a Jaguar Wright rabbit

23:12

hole in the early hours

23:15

of the morning on TikTok. She's

23:17

been speaking out about the rap and

23:19

hip-hop community

23:21

quite extensively over the past year

23:23

and various different podcasts.

23:26

There is a TikTok clip that

23:28

is going viral right now. We

23:30

took some upsurf from the clip

23:33

just to give you guys a little sense of

23:35

the things that she talks about. This is a quote from the

23:37

clip. Jaguar States, Uptown Records

23:40

started with five people. Andre

23:43

Harrell, Albie Shore, Heavy

23:46

D and Puffy. Kim

23:48

Porter was the longest working employee

23:51

because she was there from the beginning as Andre's

23:53

personal assistant. Kim

23:56

is dead. Heavy D is dead.

23:59

Andre Harrell. is dead. The only

24:01

two left are Puffy and Albie

24:03

Schor. And Albie Schor almost

24:06

died. What

24:09

did all these people have in common? This is a quote

24:11

from Jaguar. This is not me saying it, just want to go

24:13

on record saying this is Jaguar, is alleging.

24:17

What did all these people have in common?

24:19

They were all writing, tell

24:22

all books.

24:23

Okay.

24:26

Three are dead, one almost died, and Puffy's

24:28

the only one standing. At

24:30

the end of this clip, she

24:32

brings up Cassie, which is why I'm bringing up this

24:35

clip. She says that Cassie

24:37

was getting, quote, $500,000 a month

24:40

from Diddy. And

24:42

then the host of the podcast says that

24:45

Diddy eventually cut that in half and

24:47

it was only $250,000 a month. So then Jaguar asks the rhetorical question, what

24:53

was going on that would make Cassie

24:56

give up all that money? Well,

24:58

now we know what was going on because

25:01

last week it was made public that Cassie

25:03

sued Diddy in federal court.

25:06

She alleged that she was subjected

25:08

to a pattern of control and

25:10

abuse for over a decade. Diddy

25:12

denied these allegations.

25:15

She further alleges that

25:17

Diddy plied her with drugs, beat

25:19

her and forced her to have sex

25:22

with a succession of prostitutes while

25:24

he filmed the encounters near the end

25:26

of their relationship in 2018. The suit also states that

25:31

Diddy forced himself into her home

25:33

and raped her.

25:35

So

25:37

of course, when people heard this news, everyone

25:39

was flooding my DMs. Did

25:41

I know, had I known, had I heard anything

25:44

about this? There was a blind

25:46

item from two years ago. It was

25:48

submitted really,

25:51

really early on when I started the

25:53

account in 2020. I'll read it to you. It says

25:55

a friend of mine. Okay, by the way, this is a blind

25:57

item that was submitted to my account.

25:59

Mine was dating a super high-end

26:02

gigolo like for the super wealthy

26:04

celebrities, etc

26:06

When this rapper was with his girlfriend He would

26:08

hire this guy and pay him to have

26:10

sex with his girlfriend so rapper could watch

26:13

Not surprised and not really all that shocking

26:15

but like

26:16

low-key interesting

26:17

So this was obviously about

26:19

Cassie and Diddy. I had

26:21

posted it to my subscriber

26:24

feed Just out of

26:26

the blue like two weeks ago and

26:28

Instagram took it down now. I'm thinking I

26:30

took it down Because it says

26:33

the word gigolo because maybe

26:35

that word is recognized as something

26:38

you can't talk about in

26:39

subscriber

26:41

Content they have a lot of really strict rules

26:44

in For subscribers.

26:46

I don't know if you have a yeah that make that makes

26:48

sense when you get into any transactional

26:51

conversation Yeah, so they

26:53

took down this blind item, but just

26:55

randomly out of nowhere I dug it

26:57

out of the vault and posted it for my subscribers But

26:59

it was also revealed on a podcast

27:02

episode in 2022 as

27:04

being about Diddy and Cassie So to answer everyone's

27:06

question, yes, I had heard this I

27:08

didn't know that it was

27:10

to the extent that he was

27:12

allegedly beating her and raping her I

27:15

thought maybe it was just like

27:16

some kinky sex thing that they did together Somebody

27:19

else messaged me yesterday and said

27:22

that the

27:24

whole situation between Diddy

27:26

and Cassie wasn't fast

27:29

and they're saying this because She

27:31

settled like a week after The

27:34

information come out came out the lawsuit settled

27:36

so he obviously paid her and now

27:39

she stopped talking about it But this person is saying it

27:41

wasn't fast This has been happening

27:43

out of the press for a bit Diddy's

27:46

ego wouldn't let him pay And he

27:48

didn't think she'd actually go public

27:50

so she got way more than she was originally Asking

27:53

for and his private business

27:55

came to light. What do you think about

27:57

that tactic Molly? So this person is saying

28:00

that this has been going on behind the scenes,

28:03

this lawsuit, he wasn't

28:05

giving her what she wanted in the lawsuit. So she said,

28:07

fuck that, went public,

28:10

got what she wanted, and now it's settled. Yeah,

28:12

the Diddy case. I'm like you.

28:15

I'm cautious

28:17

when I talk about it. And I have an

28:19

interview with a legacy

28:21

media outlet tomorrow about

28:23

Diddy. And I was thinking, do I want to wade

28:26

even into this conversation? But

28:28

part of the conversation I

28:30

do think is interesting. Now, just the history

28:33

of Diddy and what he's known

28:36

for and just going into that culture.

28:40

It is interesting that he is someone

28:42

who is regarded as

28:44

a name, he has power,

28:46

it's almost like they're organized

28:49

family, you know, if you will, you have Diddy

28:52

and you have Jay-Z. But

28:54

he hasn't had hits,

28:56

you know, you can't associate with him with music.

28:59

He's actually just associated with being this powerful

29:02

thug. So we know that he

29:04

has a long history. Like I've been following

29:06

Diddy all the way back to JLo. I

29:08

mean, this guy has had control

29:11

over women for a long, long time.

29:13

What I think is different about this

29:16

particular situation is that

29:18

Cassie is

29:20

almost 20 years younger than him. And

29:23

why that matters in the

29:25

world that we're in now is

29:27

we have social media, we have retribution.

29:31

We have, it's not he said, she

29:33

said anymore. It's, you know, whereas Me

29:35

Too was, you know, mostly like a Twitter crisis.

29:38

Now with the, with the,

29:40

you know, just the sheer number

29:43

of people who are chiming in like Jaguar,

29:45

like you mentioned about the past, Cassie

29:48

knew that she had public opinion on her side. She

29:51

knew that there was so much underneath there

29:53

that she probably felt that now

29:55

was the safest time to do it because

29:57

she had them locked and nailed. So

30:00

that's, I think, is what the big difference

30:02

is right now in this

30:05

Diddy pace. So timing. It

30:07

was all about timing for her. Again, it's timing

30:10

and age and age because

30:12

younger people understand

30:15

how to weaponize

30:18

social media. So whether it's vigilantism

30:20

or whether it's self-defense, I mean, women

30:23

do this all the time. Look what happened

30:25

to Jonah Hill and his girlfriend, you know, Sarah Hanson, like

30:27

our Brady, you know, people understand

30:30

how to use it and weaponize it. So I

30:32

think she used it though as a method

30:34

of self-protection because

30:37

Diddy is so incredibly

30:39

strong and he has so many beefs

30:41

against other rappers. And

30:44

he also is someone who wants to

30:46

be accepted. Like when you think of

30:48

the Diddy, like the white party and like

30:51

he wants to be known as a name

30:53

and accepted as, you

30:55

know, just this brand

30:57

as someone who's incredibly powerful. Yet

31:00

a lot of rappers have a problem, you know, have a problem with

31:02

them. And even like Cassie being involved with Kid

31:04

Cudi and then he, you know, allegedly like blows

31:07

up Kid Cudi's car. It seems like

31:09

all of the tactics that Diddy relied on for so

31:12

many years now no

31:14

longer work. They're not as effective

31:16

and Cassie found a way out and she did it. Yeah.

31:19

Wow. That like sums it up perfectly.

31:21

I mean, if people really want

31:23

to hear some of the deep

31:26

dark stuff that goes on in the hip hop

31:28

world, just Google Jaguar, right? She

31:30

talks extensively about it. And I'm wondering

31:33

if she's so vocal about it because she knows

31:35

if something happens to her, they know

31:37

who to look at. Oh,

31:39

absolutely. And like you, I'm getting

31:42

all the Diddy stuff in my DMs

31:44

as well. You know, this has been since, you know,

31:46

tracking the same time as Taylor Swift and

31:49

all the stories that are coming out. And I work

31:51

with a client in black entertainment

31:53

and my colleagues there, you know, keep me

31:56

kind of well versed and we've been talking about Diddy all

31:59

weekend. And just because I've been so familiar

32:01

with him, I really think that is

32:03

the difference. It's just, it's

32:05

that Cassie found strength

32:07

in something and she clearly had something

32:10

on Diddy that could not come

32:12

out in the public. And so that's why there was some

32:14

transaction, NDAs,

32:17

you know, this thing is locked down so it doesn't come

32:19

out. But this was really damaging

32:21

to Diddy, I think. Oh, for sure. Because

32:24

I think that, like you said, a lot of people in the industry

32:26

have been hearing about this for years, but

32:29

on a math level,

32:31

people maybe

32:33

didn't know this about Diddy. You know what

32:35

I mean? Oh, absolutely.

32:36

Yeah, with the coverage of

32:37

Kim Porter, you know, no one

32:40

ever implied that there was, because

32:45

you know when people write, whether it's gossip or

32:47

news stories or like the New York Post, they

32:49

can write it in a way where it appears

32:51

that Diddy may have had a hand in some things. But

32:54

back then, it was never like that because

32:57

Diddy would invite the media to his white party.

32:59

You know, he's out in the Hamptons. Like he

33:01

is hobnobbing with the people who

33:03

can control narratives. But now what's

33:06

happened in this day and age, the press

33:08

and editors and fixers and lawyers,

33:11

they can't control public opinion anymore. Social

33:14

media controls it and Diddy

33:16

lost all his footing, lost all his power. That's

33:19

such a good point. I didn't even think

33:21

about that side of it, like how she

33:24

went public for that reason. Like

33:26

that was her strongest card in this

33:28

hand was to play,

33:31

was to go public with the information. Now

33:33

in the lawsuit, the part of the lawsuit that was

33:35

even, you know, made public,

33:37

the abuse, the rape, and

33:40

I think it also alleged that

33:43

he forced her to have sex

33:45

with prostitutes,

33:46

which was the rumor that I heard.

33:48

If that's just what we're hearing, there's probably

33:50

so much more. Oh,

33:53

it's probably awful. What

33:56

she's been dealing with. And time

33:58

moves so quickly in this. world and to be honest

34:01

like I am submitting my book

34:03

proposal and really the focus is

34:05

how the media landscape has changed so

34:07

much and has empowered people

34:10

like Cassie to come out because you

34:13

know when Kim Porter died it was 2017-2018 it wasn't

34:15

that long ago but it was a

34:21

long time ago in social

34:23

media, digital media and

34:26

the public harnessing the power of that. It was like

34:28

a lifetime ago so that's

34:30

what I think is on Cassie's side

34:34

as well as likely probably having

34:36

something on Diddy. 100% because

34:38

I feel like that we've seen

34:41

this happen a lot since 2020.

34:45

Chris Knoth is someone

34:47

that was exposed. There

34:50

was who else? I'm trying to think well army

34:53

hammer. Yeah

34:54

army hammer right and I think

34:56

a couple of other male

34:59

celebrities as well I'm trying to think off the top

35:01

of my head. Yeah

35:03

but I feel like this Diddy situation

35:05

is different like

35:08

and people are gonna be like well what does she

35:10

have on them you know because we're we're being very

35:12

vague and elusive I don't know I have

35:15

no idea. They don't want to get in this mix

35:17

but people know I mean

35:20

it goes back years. Years. East coast, west

35:22

coast, rivalry. It goes to Tupac.

35:24

I mean things go back so far there's

35:27

a lot of things that that could be

35:29

unearthed you know in in the years

35:32

that he has been you know in kind

35:34

of the mainstream conversation

35:37

so I don't think it takes much of what

35:39

she found out that she was able to hold over him.

35:41

Right I agree with that and you know what I mean

35:44

it could be something she could have proof

35:46

on something that really like you just kind of

35:48

said doesn't have anything to do with her or you're

35:50

absolutely right or it could it could be something as simple

35:53

as even taxes. Right. You know hiding

35:55

money. Exactly. You know we don't know right. You

35:57

don't know but I think just based on all

35:59

the moves. that she had

36:01

leverage and she knew it and then she

36:04

knew that she could go to social media and Weaponized

36:07

that against them and it worked and

36:09

she worked with you know the

36:11

government, you know, she was able to make something

36:13

happen Well now playbook.

36:16

Yeah, I'm curious. What kind of settlement she got. What

36:18

are you thinking? Are you thinking eight figures?

36:20

Oh

36:21

She got a settlement.

36:23

I mean imagine what she went through. I mean just what you're

36:25

reading imagine someone going through

36:27

that No, I know. So I'm thinking like definitely more than

36:29

seven figures. Oh, yeah Like I

36:31

think he took out if there's a real dent

36:34

in Diddy's pocketbook right now from this

36:37

Wow

36:39

When

36:42

you when you're when you're puffed

36:44

daddy, I guess Okay,

36:47

what is next? Okay. Our next

36:49

one Involves packs.

36:52

Julie Pitt. So just yesterday

36:54

the Daily Mail published this article Seemingly

36:58

out of the blue and it read packs

37:00

Julie Pitt once blasted quote

37:02

despicable dad Brad Pitt as quote

37:05

world-class a-hole in Father's

37:08

Day rant So I have

37:10

the Instagram post here and the

37:13

post was from Father's

37:15

Day 2020 It was

37:17

accompanied with a picture of Brad

37:19

Pitt accepting the Oscar for best supporting actor

37:21

at the time I believe from Once

37:24

Upon a Time in Hollywood and the

37:27

post said quote Happy

37:29

Father's Day to this world-class a-hole

37:32

you time and time again prove yourself

37:34

to be a terrible and despicable person You

37:37

have no consideration or empathy toward

37:39

your four youngest children who? Tremble

37:41

in fear when in your presence you

37:44

have made the lives of those closest to me

37:46

a constant hell You may tell

37:48

yourself and the world whatever you want, but

37:50

the truth will come to light someday So

37:53

happy Father's Day you fucking

37:55

awful human being I've been waiting

37:58

to say that all It

38:00

feels so good. I

38:03

wanted to say that to your parents. I'm sure everyone.

38:06

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's

38:08

so vindicating. So thanks, pack for

38:11

that. Okay. So the

38:13

weird thing about this is that that

38:15

post that first just read was

38:17

posted in 2020. So why is

38:19

daily mail posting

38:22

an article now three years later, later

38:25

with this quote, you know, people aren't stupid.

38:28

I was in the Q and A yesterday asked why is the

38:30

screenshot being published now? It's a few years

38:32

old. I

38:35

went to a couple of people to get their opinion on it.

38:38

You know, it's not a secret. I think that Brad

38:40

Pitt doesn't have the best relationship with some of his

38:43

children. I think I said last

38:45

week

38:45

in a podcast episode that he does see

38:48

his kids. And

38:50

then I had to later clarify that I met

38:52

his biological kids.

38:53

Right. I don't think last

38:55

week. Yeah. I did hear that he

38:57

does see his biological kids.

39:00

I didn't know about his his

39:02

adopted kids, but clearly there's

39:05

still some animosity there. Somebody

39:07

tells me packs and Maddox have

39:09

never liked Brad. He

39:12

and Angelina have two different parenting

39:14

styles. Brad would be gone doing some

39:16

movies and Angelina would let them run wild

39:19

and like draw on the walls and stuff. When

39:22

Brad would get home, he would be like, what

39:24

the fuck and yell at them slash

39:26

tell them to stop. And Angelina would

39:28

say he's not letting them be who they are express

39:31

themselves. Their nannies have all

39:33

spoken out about this as well as former

39:35

bodyguards. They'd also how

39:38

vicious Angelina was to Brad

39:40

and how she'd try and turn the

39:42

kids on him. In 2019,

39:46

Brad was doing well amidst Angelina's

39:49

smear campaign. Her tactics weren't

39:51

working and it pissed her off. Packs

39:54

and Maddox are like her little bodyguards

39:56

and they fled to her

39:58

side. Okay, by the way. I have to say this

40:00

because I've said this a million times. Angelina

40:03

Jolie has a really sort

40:05

of passionate fan base. They

40:08

get confused, okay? That's not me

40:10

saying these things about Angelina Jolie. Okay,

40:13

I don't have a problem with her. This is this person's

40:16

intel slash take on this situation.

40:18

I feel like I need to make that clear because I'm about

40:20

to get a slew of vicious

40:23

messages about how I hate Angelina

40:25

Jolie. I do not hate Angelina Jolie,

40:28

okay? I need to like go on record, hold up.

40:31

Wow, Molly, why is this coming

40:33

out now? Well, I will go back to

40:35

what I said earlier, crisis

40:37

communication, it's all about

40:39

timing. Whenever

40:41

you see a story and you wonder why

40:44

that story's there and it's out of sync, you

40:46

just have to assume in many times,

40:49

in many cases with celebrities, that it was

40:51

strategically placed there for a reason. The

40:54

Angelina Brad Pitt story really

40:56

comes down to a very sad

40:58

reality that happens

41:03

not just in the celebrity world, but in

41:05

the regular world. And the same thing

41:07

that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are

41:10

going through are the same thing that happens down the street

41:12

and to your best friends. People get divorced.

41:15

But divorce in the celebrity world

41:17

is one of those great equalizers. You

41:19

cannot PR fix

41:22

or PR handle a divorce when

41:24

there's so much acrimony. It

41:26

just gets away from you. Case

41:29

in point, Joe Jonas, okay? It got

41:31

away from them because you're mixing

41:33

strategy, money

41:35

with anger.

41:37

And I think at the core

41:39

of this is that Angelina and Brad

41:41

are so angry at each other.

41:44

And particularly, I would assume

41:46

that Angelina is more

41:49

angry at this point because she's

41:51

the one that likely

41:54

could have been wronged by all this just

41:56

based on her behavior when it comes to divorce. And

41:58

I do have like intimate knowledge. in this. Brad's

42:01

take and Brad's spin on this as you've

42:04

noticed and I know that you've talked about this, he's

42:06

more chill. He just kind of

42:08

shows up at these moments. It might be

42:10

at an award show or it might be at one

42:13

particular red carpet. He's

42:15

still being framed as this chill cool

42:17

dude, kind of like Billy Bean in

42:20

Moneyball, kind of like he has his

42:22

problems but deep down he's a decent

42:24

guy. But Angelina Jolie, you

42:27

see some of these moves in their divorce where

42:29

she sold half the winery and

42:31

this divorce is going on and on

42:33

and on. It's like not settling. So

42:35

what it appears to be and again

42:38

this is just from my point of view of I'm purely

42:40

speculating on this looking at PR

42:43

moves and I've been tracking this for a while. Not

42:45

only is this story about Pax's

42:48

Instagram post came up, there's

42:51

also press about Angelina showing

42:54

up at Zohara's sorority

42:56

luncheon at Spelman College. So

42:59

that's dropped in People Magazine and again it's

43:01

timing. They're both happening at the same time. So

43:04

I think it's a way for her to strategically suggest

43:07

and remind people that these kids are aligned

43:10

with me. But it's the kids and

43:12

Pax remember going back, Angelina

43:15

adopted Pax and Maddox. Brad

43:17

was after the fact. So

43:21

you could see from Brad's point of view why

43:23

he would be connected to his biological

43:28

children and not the ones who Angelina,

43:31

who she has control of right now. This

43:34

is just a situation where anger

43:37

is now stronger than the strategy I

43:39

think. But why now do you

43:41

think that there's like something coming up like a court date

43:44

or? Yes, great question. Yes, there

43:46

is something pending. So there must be

43:49

another settlement on the table.

43:51

There may be another mediation. There's

43:53

something that's happening now that Angelina

43:56

is maybe ramping

43:58

up publicity. to paint him

44:00

in a negative light because they both have

44:02

a ton of money because usually in divorce what's weaponized

44:05

is money in regular people divorce it's

44:07

money but when everybody has money when

44:09

both sides have money you weaponize reputation

44:12

and she wants to rep

44:14

you know so she's going after brad's reputation

44:17

that's what this is this is it's a two-fer

44:19

it's like a punch a two-hit punch one

44:22

we are reminded that brad

44:24

pitt is an asshole and two that

44:27

brad has nothing to do with zahara you

44:29

know that angelina is there and the other kids are there

44:31

so that's what i think is happening again speculation

44:34

no well i mean listen the headline with

44:36

zahara was that she dropped the last name pit

44:39

yeah you're right so it's like that's just

44:42

right in our face i think it would be remiss if we

44:44

didn't mention the airplane incident

44:46

because i think that whatever

44:49

happened on that airplane did resonate

44:51

with some fans and you know i've had

44:53

people in my dm calling brad pitt

44:56

an abuser and

44:58

you know if i happen to say something

45:01

or repeat like this statement i

45:03

just read something negative about angelina

45:05

i've been called like an abuser you know

45:08

apologist or whatever and we

45:10

don't know what happened on that plane is my point but

45:13

whatever did happen on that plane i think

45:18

has something to do and i'm just speculating

45:21

um with whatever was going through or

45:23

going on in his life

45:26

and substances at that point yes

45:28

and i think that he's made steps

45:31

since then to rectify

45:35

that type of behavior and a chance

45:37

of that type of behavior behavior happening in the

45:39

future so in a case like that

45:41

do we still vilify him for a horrible

45:44

incident like whatever happened on that airplane

45:47

or do we look at him and say this is somebody who's

45:49

trying to improve and better themselves as a person

45:51

yeah and really when it comes you know it's a reputation

45:54

doesn't matter if it's in the public or if it's

45:56

you know someone who's private you

45:58

know everybody deserves this second chance.

46:00

And I think you're absolutely correct, whether it

46:03

was framed that way there, it just really

46:05

feels there was some truth, especially because

46:07

I mean, the federal government was federal agents

46:10

were involved. So like clearly

46:12

he was out of control. And it appears,

46:15

from reports that there was abuse involved,

46:17

whether it was Angeline, I think he's, he shoved

46:19

her in the bathroom. And then he did something

46:22

physical, allegedly, against PACS,

46:24

I believe. So something broke down

46:27

there that made their, you know,

46:29

their, their relationship untenable,

46:31

you know, at that point. But what Brad's

46:33

doing in terms of framing or reframing

46:36

himself is rehabilitation. And it

46:38

made it easy for him. He just says, I'm clean now,

46:41

you know, I got right out, but I'm clean. So it's really

46:43

difficult for Angela or Angela, Angelina

46:46

to keep hitting him with that same

46:48

negative story. Right. Now, he's going

46:51

to get out clean. So that's why I think

46:53

we're starting to get these types of stories that

46:55

are unearthed, you know, from 2020 as

46:57

a reminder of what he was. Right.

47:00

That's such a good point. So what

47:02

would Brad's move be at this point

47:05

to see something like this? Yeah, I think,

47:08

well, it's a great question. I think Brad's move

47:10

is going to be what Brad has been doing this entire

47:12

time. He's very selective

47:15

about where he appears, what

47:17

he says, and what he's attached

47:20

to. He's trying to stay out

47:22

of the fray. Like clearly that is your

47:24

strategy. Stay out of the fray, but

47:27

be involved enough that people don't forget

47:29

you or you look like you're hiding or

47:32

you know, that you're just running from something.

47:34

He's still out there. He's still in the public,

47:36

but it clearly is making

47:39

Angelina Jolie crazy

47:41

that he is still coming out somewhat

47:44

clean and all this. So I think that's why we're seeing

47:46

some of these kind of machinations happening

47:48

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52:17

also touch on his relationship with Enos,

52:20

which I think is really interesting

52:22

that articles like every two

52:24

weeks or every three weeks will drop about

52:27

their relationship. Now I had heard in

52:29

the beginning that they were serious,

52:32

that they were on a path to perhaps

52:36

engagement, perhaps living together,

52:38

cohabitating. But

52:40

in the past couple months, I've been hearing a different story.

52:43

I've been hearing that they

52:45

aren't exclusive. I've 100%

52:48

been hearing they aren't exclusive. They're

52:52

not necessarily together 24-7. He

52:55

does have his own life. He does do his own things,

52:57

but we're still continuing to see

53:00

the headlines that they're happier than ever, that

53:04

they're stronger than ever, they're so in love.

53:06

Do you think, now I have my own ideas,

53:09

do you think that that's coming from Brad's

53:11

side or do you think that to distract, is

53:13

that a distraction technique or do you think it's coming from

53:15

Enos' side to keep her

53:18

relevant? Oh, 100%. I think, well,

53:20

I think it's public relations. It's

53:22

a mutually beneficial relationship. Now

53:27

we know Enos, she's in People Magazine,

53:29

but also the sources are all

53:32

saying, they're painting the same narrative.

53:35

We're happy that Brad's in a good place. He's

53:37

so much happier now. They're super loving.

53:40

Everything he is doing with her is to directly

53:43

counter every claim that Angelina

53:45

has made about him. Again, it all

53:48

appears very strategic. I

53:50

mean, similar to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce,

53:53

it doesn't mean it can't be real. It

53:56

doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. There

53:58

is, they can be both. at the same time, but

54:01

I firmly believe this is part

54:03

of the strategy to paint him in that calmer,

54:07

chiller, loving, you know, uh,

54:10

brand, you know, that he was first associated

54:12

with. Right. I mean, I know

54:14

who Brad Pitt's publicist

54:17

is or one of his publicists and I feel

54:19

like their strategy is usually

54:21

just false. No, like

54:24

not to say anything. So that's why I asked

54:26

you, like, I wonder like, who is dropping these

54:28

stories about heaven. Enos, because they don't ever,

54:31

they don't ever comment on his personal life. Yeah.

54:33

No, they don't. But you know, can

54:35

be anyone. It could be directly.

54:37

It could be a publicist could be someone who works with the publicist

54:39

could be a friend. It could be a family member. It could even be the

54:41

celebrity themselves. Sometimes, you know, sources,

54:44

when you see the term sources say

54:47

in a people magazine or TMZ,

54:50

it's very safe to assume

54:52

it is someone who is close to

54:55

the person and they have the person's

54:57

blessing because

54:59

it's part of a greater strategy. Correct.

55:02

That is correct.

55:03

I agree with you about people. TMZ,

55:05

I think uses the sources,

55:09

um, say term a little liberally.

55:11

Oh, a hundred percent.

55:13

I think transactional. Yeah,

55:16

exactly. There's a million ways they

55:18

can come up with it, but I, but definitely though

55:20

they get into that same kind of people game where

55:22

they work with teams and, and

55:24

they'll drop sources close to the star.

55:27

You know, I mean, I use sources say

55:29

all the time and you

55:31

know, there's nothing wrong with it. You know, I mean,

55:33

you have to say it. I mean, it's a publicity tool

55:36

that can be used now. It's just up to the public whether or

55:38

not they believe it. Right. And a lot

55:40

of times I'll say like, you know, or somehow

55:43

my sources, when I say sources say people

55:46

translate that to like, and I've said, I

55:48

said this last week that like Casper, the friendly

55:50

ghost is like messaging me that it's like a totally

55:52

anonymous person that I don't know. But I

55:54

think it's like very important to say sources,

55:58

um, is a way of. keeping

56:00

somebody anonymous, but saying, I

56:03

know this is, you're like, yeah, but Molly's

56:05

like, yeah, obviously. But no, you, I need

56:07

to like spell this out because people

56:09

like don't understand what

56:11

that means. People don't know how to read

56:14

the words that are

56:16

put out by these publications. They don't really

56:18

know how to read them. You are 100% correct.

56:21

And I was writing

56:23

the exact same words to a

56:25

reporter yesterday about this very

56:28

topic because sources in

56:30

journalism, you know, if you're a journalist

56:32

and you're writing a story, a source

56:35

is your bloodline. I mean, that's how, I mean,

56:37

that's your, that's how you get your, your

56:39

information up many times on a story. So

56:41

it depends on what the source is. The source could be on

56:44

background. That still means though,

56:46

that the reporter has vetted the

56:48

person and it's usually like you said,

56:51

it's because they need to remain anonymous

56:53

and it could be for privacy. It could be for protection.

56:56

But when we get into the celebrity realm,

56:59

we don't need three sources to

57:01

verify a tip. We can just

57:03

say, you know, it said sources say

57:05

because many times it is dropped, but

57:08

yeah, like me and you, you're

57:10

using it to cover a lot of different

57:12

people, but it doesn't necessarily

57:14

negate the validity of the source

57:16

coming to you. Right. Sometimes

57:19

I do say it three times because people never

57:21

believe what I say. I know

57:23

it's true. I have to be

57:26

like, listen, I'm getting this from more than

57:28

one person. So, because sometimes,

57:30

you know, it isn't someone

57:33

that is like next of kin to

57:35

a celebrity. Do you know what I'm saying? So sometimes

57:37

you kind of need that

57:40

validation. We were reading an article, I think

57:42

last month and in the article,

57:44

the publication literally said they numbered

57:47

the source. Source number one said,

57:49

do you remember that? I do remember that. Oh, yeah. Source

57:51

number two. And it went all the way up to six sources.

57:53

Yeah. And somebody messaged me and said, does

57:55

this, does this story really need

57:57

six different sources?

57:59

an entertainment type story? Yes,

58:02

yes. I don't want to name the publication because I love

58:04

them, but yes, they literally was

58:06

like source number one, source number two, source number

58:08

three. And it went up to like, and somebody caught

58:11

onto it because even though I said most

58:13

people don't know how to read the words, some people do. And

58:15

I always try to help my readers read between

58:17

the lines because that's an important

58:20

part of ingesting all

58:22

of this celebrity content. You need

58:25

to read between the lines. Right.

58:28

How do you use your head? You gotta use your head. I

58:30

use blind items. I don't know if you use blind items,

58:33

but legitimate publications can't

58:35

use blind items. So they use other wordplay.

58:37

Yeah. You kind of make it like

58:39

a fucking blind item. And you just need to know

58:42

how to read between the lines. A hundred

58:44

percent.

58:45

You've got it.

58:46

That's my little rant. Okay,

58:48

let's get into the updates. We have a couple quick

58:50

updates for everyone. Okay, our first update

58:54

is Sebastian Stan and Annabelle Wallace. Okay.

58:57

Yeah, so they haven't been seen in a while. Everyone asks

58:59

me every week, are they still dating? I

59:02

finally stopped ignoring your guys question

59:05

and asked, reached out. A

59:07

source says, here we go, Molly. A source

59:10

says that he's been in New York

59:12

and LA and she's been in LA. So they

59:14

haven't been together as much.

59:17

I also want to point out that I don't

59:20

know that they're a hundred percent exclusive. I

59:22

don't know. And I'd have to go back and

59:25

look at, you know, different

59:28

interviews that he's given and she's given,

59:30

but I don't know if they ever refer to each other as

59:32

boyfriend and girlfriend. I

59:35

haven't seen that. I haven't seen that at all. And just

59:38

like, you know, Brad and Angelina, sometimes

59:40

relationships, even though they're celebrity relationships, they're

59:42

just like anybody else's relationship. You know,

59:45

sometimes it gets murky, a little bit gray. Sometimes

59:47

you don't know. So the sources

59:49

say, that's funny that you said that. That's a way of

59:51

saying, we're going to give you information because

59:54

we really don't know the answer too. So that's like a

59:56

safe, neutral answer. You know,

59:58

one's in one place, the other's in another. Right.

1:00:00

Well, I mean, you know, in full transparency,

1:00:03

this person couldn't give a yes or

1:00:05

no answer because I don't think they know for sure.

1:00:07

Because like you said, relationships aren't always

1:00:10

black and white. They're come back.

1:00:12

So maybe, you know, they're still hanging out,

1:00:14

but they're not exclusive. But,

1:00:17

you know, so I want people to understand that and not

1:00:19

translate what I'm saying is into the fact that they're

1:00:21

broken up and they hate each other because that will get translated

1:00:24

out of this because he also has a very passionate fan base.

1:00:27

But they haven't been hanging out as much, which is probably

1:00:29

why I haven't been getting many sightings

1:00:31

of them. So if you have

1:00:33

recognized that you are correct,

1:00:35

they haven't been hanging out

1:00:37

as much. We don't know the exact reason

1:00:39

why. Okay, who's next? Bad Bunny

1:00:42

and Kendall Jenner. Oh, okay. This is another

1:00:44

one. Everyone's been asking what is

1:00:46

going on. They were all over

1:00:48

the place. And now it's like they haven't

1:00:51

been spotted together in weeks. Somebody

1:00:54

told me that they've heard

1:00:57

that they've been drifting apart.

1:01:00

And this comes from someone who's been around Kendall

1:01:02

lately. It's been around. Kendall said they're

1:01:04

drifting apart. Yes. Yeah. So

1:01:06

again, I don't want

1:01:09

to translate that into a hundred percent breakup

1:01:11

because we might see them, you know, walking

1:01:13

out of carbon next week.

1:01:15

Relationships are complicated. Maybe they're

1:01:17

just not hanging out as much. But

1:01:19

it has been noticed.

1:01:21

This person says quote drifting apart. Somebody

1:01:24

else messaged me and told

1:01:26

me this is like third hand information.

1:01:29

And somebody was around Kendall and

1:01:31

they people are gonna love this. I don't know how how

1:01:33

how reliable this is. They heard her talking

1:01:36

about Devin Booker. Now Molly, I don't know if

1:01:38

you're aware, but the internet is

1:01:41

vying for Kendall and Devin

1:01:43

to get back together. God knows why.

1:01:45

I don't know why. Because

1:01:47

when the internet wants

1:01:49

the internet wants. That's

1:01:52

so true. I think because

1:01:54

you know, people had such a strong reaction to her dating

1:01:57

bad bunny. So maybe they're like, Oh,

1:01:59

you know, if we manifest her and Devin, he'll

1:02:01

break up with Pat Bunny and

1:02:03

get with Devin. But

1:02:06

yeah, have you been hearing anything about these two? Well,

1:02:09

I don't know. Well, I get asked about them constantly.

1:02:12

And whenever there is, you know,

1:02:15

a Jenner or Kardashian or anyone in

1:02:17

that world, I'm sorry, it's just the hat

1:02:19

that I wear. It's what I do for a living. I'm

1:02:21

always looking for the angle. So

1:02:24

when I don't hear anything

1:02:26

about them anymore, I'm always looking at the

1:02:28

mutual beneficial part of the relationship

1:02:31

that maybe they're just out of sync for

1:02:33

the opportunity and the benefit. And again,

1:02:36

it absolutely could be real

1:02:38

and it could be there. But sometimes it just

1:02:40

kind of runs, it runs its course.

1:02:43

And people on the internet, like they love drama

1:02:45

and they love something new. And

1:02:47

when people are with new people, it generates buzz

1:02:50

and increased visibility. So I'm

1:02:52

sorry, that's just where my head always goes. So

1:02:55

I think we're in a like a publicity cycle

1:02:57

for Kendall.

1:02:58

You know, like I think I just need something

1:03:01

new there. They did a whole ass gucci

1:03:03

campaign together. That seems like a pretty

1:03:05

serious thing. Yeah. Drop and then and

1:03:07

then be like, all right, we're done. You know,

1:03:10

maybe it was just for that. But maybe, yeah,

1:03:12

because maybe it's that maybe they just they were

1:03:14

together just to do that. Because that's a big campaign.

1:03:16

That's a it was a huge campaign and it was

1:03:19

really cool. And but now to me,

1:03:21

it seems like it was inauthentic. Well,

1:03:24

it makes sense, though, you know, based

1:03:26

on what Molly's saying, though, like they needed

1:03:28

those months together to build up the relationship,

1:03:30

to build up the sincerity of it. Right.

1:03:34

For this to be appreciated. Well, I would imagine

1:03:36

a campaign like that doesn't exactly happen overnight.

1:03:38

I'm sure it was a couple months. Right. Of course. Yeah.

1:03:41

I mean, I do want to say

1:03:43

that I don't think they got together for

1:03:45

a gucci campaign. I actually was

1:03:49

the was the account who broke that they were seen

1:03:51

making out together at Bird Street Lounge

1:03:56

in the corner

1:03:57

in the dark corner of the club.

1:04:00

And nobody believed me, of course,

1:04:03

but paparazzi caught their cars

1:04:05

leaving, I think, if I'm remembering this

1:04:07

correctly, paparazzi caught their cars

1:04:10

leaving and Kendall was ducking

1:04:12

in the back seat and the bad bunnies

1:04:14

car, I think had tinted windows.

1:04:17

So this is what I'll have to say

1:04:19

about, and Molly, I know

1:04:21

you've talked about this, but this is what I have to say about like

1:04:23

relationships that people say, are they for PR? This

1:04:26

is how their relationship started. Why would they be hiding?

1:04:28

You know, if they got together for

1:04:30

PR? Absolutely. And I

1:04:33

know, like when it comes to that PR conversation,

1:04:35

and I know like when stands get involved in that, when

1:04:37

people are just have this fervor about their

1:04:39

people and they don't want to, because when you hear a

1:04:41

PR relationship, people immediately

1:04:43

think of manipulation and that it's not real. And

1:04:46

now we have our playbook, you know, with Taylor and Travis,

1:04:49

obviously, but you can still

1:04:51

have a relationship, like

1:04:53

a normal relationship where you get together,

1:04:55

you're, you're hooking up in a corner. Yeah,

1:04:57

you don't want to be seen or photographed. Like that's

1:04:59

a normal organic relationship. But when

1:05:01

you're in the celebrity realm, or

1:05:03

when you're in the public eye, you're going to look

1:05:06

for opportunities that your relationship

1:05:09

brings you, you know, and that, you

1:05:11

know, whether it's a campaign or whether

1:05:13

it's buzz online, it's not

1:05:15

manipulation, it's optimization,

1:05:18

there's a difference. Okay,

1:05:20

I think that that's a really important

1:05:22

point to make, because people use the

1:05:24

term PR relationship so

1:05:27

loosely, everyone thinks that they're a public

1:05:29

relations expert, everyone thinks

1:05:32

that there's these contracts

1:05:34

signed behind the scenes. And I

1:05:36

agree with you 100% that

1:05:39

these people get together and you know what,

1:05:41

they might be set up, they might be set up by their managers,

1:05:43

they might be set up by mutual friends, but they

1:05:45

get together because there is a

1:05:47

mutual attraction attraction there and

1:05:49

then they will later exploit their relationship

1:05:52

for fame. And you know what,

1:05:54

I do the same fucking thing. Yeah, I

1:05:56

think exploiting is like the outer edges

1:05:59

of it. But even in between it's

1:06:01

like they're just both gonna leverage each other

1:06:04

and the relationship and the fun that they have Why

1:06:06

not get brandy? Why not? Well 100%

1:06:10

but let's say right now this is

1:06:12

the definition of what? PR

1:06:16

in a relationship means a PR relationship

1:06:18

people think that these relationships are manufactured

1:06:20

in like a factory and That's

1:06:23

a they like sign their names in blood and then

1:06:25

they go out there on the scene and pretend to be

1:06:27

a couple That's what the general public

1:06:30

idea of a PR relationship is your

1:06:32

definition is what it actually is so

1:06:35

people need to stop Misdefining

1:06:38

what a PR relationship is or

1:06:40

find a different term because they all sound like fucking

1:06:43

clown Oh, everyone sounds like fucking

1:06:45

clown. Well, there's probably many operative definitions

1:06:47

of it, you know Well, there is but the way

1:06:50

Molly just described it is exactly what

1:06:52

it is and it's like there is

1:06:54

a genuine Attraction these

1:06:56

people are obviously having sexual relations,

1:06:59

you know, like I don't think that Whoo

1:07:06

High-fiving Yeah,

1:07:10

the record show I would I would get into a relationship

1:07:13

to be a part of a gucci campaign All

1:07:21

right, we have a Bobby Burke update This

1:07:26

is very very quick so Bobby Burke left

1:07:28

queer eye Last

1:07:30

week or two weeks ago. Everyone wanted to

1:07:32

know why I talked about it last week in our podcast

1:07:35

episode since that episode

1:07:37

aired somebody messaged me and Told

1:07:40

me that It

1:07:43

wasn't necessarily His

1:07:45

decision to leave so read

1:07:48

between the lines on that one. What have you heard Molly? So

1:07:51

I am so bummed a

1:07:53

couple days ago because someone asked me about

1:07:56

you know, Bobby Burke and I wanted

1:07:59

to to do a very quick TikTok because

1:08:02

I love deconstructing public statements

1:08:04

to look for the truth. And the truth

1:08:07

was so glaringly obvious

1:08:09

to me and I want and I didn't do it. So it's

1:08:11

like a missed opportunity. So thank you do for

1:08:13

giving me the opportunity to say this. So

1:08:16

when I read his statement on Instagram,

1:08:19

and it was the first set everyone heard that he was leaving,

1:08:22

what I extrapolated

1:08:25

by meaning in the statement is when he said,

1:08:27

you know, it's with a heavy heart that I announced

1:08:29

that season eight will be my final season on Queer Eye,

1:08:32

it's not been an easy decision to be at

1:08:34

peace with, but a necessary one.

1:08:36

That line, it's not been an easy

1:08:39

decision to be at peace with. That

1:08:41

is a line that says somebody told him

1:08:43

that he that this would

1:08:45

be his final season. But

1:08:48

it's a necessary one. So I wanted

1:08:51

to come out and say it. And I just I just didn't get

1:08:53

around to doing it. And then now we're

1:08:55

starting to hear that he was because

1:08:57

of the interaction with

1:08:59

the with the cast and crew allegedly. Yes.

1:09:02

Read between the lines, people. That's this is a perfect

1:09:05

example, because I didn't even realize until

1:09:08

you just read the statement like that. But that's exactly

1:09:10

what that means, that it was not his decision

1:09:12

to leave. Okay, two more quick updates.

1:09:15

What is the next one? Talking

1:09:18

about how Travis met Taylor.

1:09:20

Okay, yes. And yesterday's Wall Street

1:09:22

Journal article, Travis Kelsey said

1:09:25

that he had someone play Cupid

1:09:27

between him and Taylor. Everyone is asking

1:09:29

me who I heard

1:09:32

that it wasn't just one person. I heard a

1:09:34

couple people had their hand in

1:09:36

playing Cupid between Travis and Taylor. But

1:09:38

there is one person in particular, an actor.

1:09:41

Can you get to you

1:09:43

have to give me any clues?

1:09:46

No, I don't.

1:09:48

So this actor, this actor loves football.

1:09:51

And he he's actually a Phillies fan.

1:09:53

And he also Bradley Cooper. No, but

1:09:55

that's a good guess. He also has a connection

1:09:58

to Taylor. So that's there you go. That's

1:10:00

how wait a minute. Okay. It's it's

1:10:02

an actor who's a Phillies fan Is

1:10:05

it someone from PA? Is it someone from pencil of an

1:10:07

actor from Pennsylvania? He's from Philly. Yeah,

1:10:09

I think this actor's from Philly He's married.

1:10:12

His wife is also on the scene. She's not an

1:10:14

actress. I mean, I'm gonna say who it is Okay,

1:10:17

Miles Teller. Oh I

1:10:19

would not have come up with that one, but that's interesting. No

1:10:22

Yeah Miles Teller and Kaylee

1:10:25

were in Taylor's Music

1:10:28

video. Oh So

1:10:31

there it is Yeah, I found it curious

1:10:34

that Travis Kelsey would release it

1:10:36

in this article So that this is very

1:10:38

delicately been delivered out to

1:10:41

the public that there is an intermediary Because

1:10:43

that is not that is not

1:10:46

based on like the podcast with his brother

1:10:49

That is not the framing in the story

1:10:51

that we've been hearing exactly I

1:10:53

agree with you people are very confused because

1:10:56

they're asking about the timeline and they're like wait

1:10:59

Did Travis start talking to Taylor

1:11:01

before he went to her concert? Yes, I think

1:11:03

he did I think that they were

1:11:05

in touch before the concert and

1:11:07

I think that they met very shortly after

1:11:09

it was it was this summer I

1:11:12

know that for a fact. It was this summer Okay,

1:11:14

and the last thing is

1:11:17

about Harry Styles shaved head

1:11:19

Fans are speculating that he shaved

1:11:22

his head because he's gonna be cast in season

1:11:24

three of white lotus I

1:11:26

just found out that production for white

1:11:28

lotus season three isn't supposed to start

1:11:30

until at least

1:11:32

February

1:11:33

so if you do the math by February

1:11:35

his shave pad will be half grown

1:11:37

back That's

1:11:42

the reason that he shaved his head unless he's going

1:11:44

bald Oh, yeah, let's

1:11:46

not start those those serious people think he's getting

1:11:48

hair plugs people think he's going ball

1:11:50

Harry Yeah, poor Harry poor Harry

1:11:53

and his hair But that's all we have

1:11:55

for today Molly. Thank you so much for

1:11:57

being here. I was so excited to speak

1:11:59

with you. Thank you for shedding light on some

1:12:02

pretty heavy topics this week. Tell everyone

1:12:04

where they could find you. Oh, you can find me

1:12:06

of course on TikTok at Molly B. McPherson

1:12:09

and my website is mollymcpherson.com.

1:12:12

But you know what? I'm everywhere. Just look for

1:12:14

the person, the PR lady sitting going on

1:12:16

and on about timing and celebrities. Okay,

1:12:19

love it. Thank you so much. Thank you, Molly. And

1:12:21

I hope everyone has a nice holiday if

1:12:24

you are celebrating Thanksgiving and we'll see you next time.

1:12:26

Bye. Bye. This has been a production

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