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Hello everybody and happy New Year Kelly.

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How's it going, man? It's going great. Although

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the beans for us here because this this episode

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won't be out until like February or March but

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Well, I got my crop top on and my Bud Light

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and I've got my flip flops I'm down in Port a

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shirt. That's right. Happy Spring Break,

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everybody. Happy Spring Break. Everybody. Got a

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one of the last episodes? I did. I told you that I

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had to start catching up with the 20,000 famous

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people than that. And yeah, we have a big pool. I

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cheated a little by doing to people.

1:06

You mean Hanna Barbera Hanna Barbera? Yeah. And it

1:06

got me thinking though about these these Duo's

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So let me ask you a question I've been

1:17

kicking around. Would you rather be half of a

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Or a sidekick of a super successful person?

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I mean, I feel like probably, I don't want

1:31

to be Flavor Flav. You know what I mean?

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I feel like probably half of I mean, I already am

1:38

half of a have a super successful partnership,

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Or am I your sidekick? I guess that's what the real question is, isn't

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it? No. Yeah. So you'd rather be the half where

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other person's name. Also, Penn and Teller kind of

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thing? Yes, sure. Sure. Sure. Okay, okay. We

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Wow.

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That's probably a future.

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You remember that city? Oh, do I remember them?

2:14

Oh, yes. That's why I first learned about

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the they had a mime. That's right. They

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did a pantomime act. Shields in your now. Yeah,

2:30

scenes of a successful person like an assistant

2:30

for somebody who was really, really successful,

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Researching things, helping them out? Or would you

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rather be the reason for someone success, but they

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writer or something where nobody knew who you

2:48

were, they get all the credit. But you in your

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I think more of the second thing, like to actually

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be, yeah, to be the creative to be the creative

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thought no, I don't want to be an assistant, but a

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producer, like if I was the producer,

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where does producer lie? You know, like, you know

3:15

what I mean? Like, or manager of a famous person.

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not famous. Nobody knows who you are. And one

3:24

though, that you're the real reason for the

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someone else is getting all the credit for your

3:34

stuff. Am I making money?

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Yeah, but not nearly as much as the person who's

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the front person. But I'm gonna making a lot of

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and they could have 100. Okay, I'd be happy with

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that. Okay, as long as we have the parameters

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I feel like you're about to tell me about some

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deal you've got in the works. No, no, I just I

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about famous Duo's and how, you know, like with

3:59

Hanna Barbera, they were very famous, but only

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thinking I wonder how that would feel about being

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half have a very successful team but only people

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you know you hardly without without that, and how

4:20

that would feel and if you would resent that and

4:27

been talking to other people and people have

4:27

different different ideas about that about you

4:35

adds another layer to some people are comfortable

4:35

with fame. Some people I think would rather be

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anything like that. Yeah, given given the choice

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between

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money and fame, I'd take money. I'd rather be rich

4:47

and not famous than famous and rich, famous and

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would be just be infamous and poor You're right, right, right. Or the guy that jumped

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in the Bass Pro Shops tank. Right, right.

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Without you, he's not making a lot of money off of

5:07

that, but everyone knows who he is. Right? All

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today. Okay. Like I said, working my way through

5:14

that list today, but I'll only know one of these

5:23

wouldn't know him without without the other

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probably, you know, they're just inextricably

5:29

They were both born in the 1940s. And one of them

5:29

died in 1999. And the other died in 2013.

5:40

And they had a number of different TV shows with

5:40

different names, but basically the same format,

5:54

later on after that. on PBS, MacNeil Lehrer. Oh,

5:54

that's a good guess. But no, that's a good is it?

6:06

Okay. What kind of what kind of show did they have

6:06

on PBS? Like, what was the well, if I told you

6:14

But because I don't really think there's variety

6:14

shows on PBS. And you might not even remember that

6:23

of syndicated version of the shows.

6:30

But were they American? They were American. In fact,

6:32

they were both from the city of Chicago.

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Ah, they were both newspaper men, writing in rival

6:39

newspapers, one for the Chicago Tribune and the

6:55

until the one day a week that they would meet and

6:55

record their show. Oh, Siskel and Ebert, Siskel

7:05

guys? Oh, yeah. You know, actually, if you get on

7:05

YouTube, there are you can watch the original

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they? Did they like it? They did. They did. They

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both.

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And this was before, you know, it was sort of like

7:21

a default setting to like it. Right. This was

7:27

talking about it as a, as a, you know, kind of a

7:27

Western and having all the plot points of a

7:36

entertaining. And, yeah, I just recently saw that,

7:36

because I get a lot of Star Wars stuff in my

7:44

they reviewed movies and kind of their philosophy

7:44

and their relationship with each other. But before

7:52

you use ratings just in general, restaurant

7:52

ratings, movie ratings, Yelp reviews? Are you into

8:03

With no input? Probably more and more I count on

8:03

ratings. Yeah, I'll look and see what what's been

8:13

on Amazon, or Home Depot, or Best Buy, all kind of

8:13

read the best one and the worst one, just to get a

8:23

I've not purchased something online because of

8:23

review. So you're not as concerned with a one star

8:32

something wouldn't keep you from that if you read

8:32

a three star review of the movie or anything. I

8:41

know, you can write Google reviews. And I feel

8:41

like I only write them when I feel really strongly

8:50

either one star or five star reviews of

8:50

restaurants or service added, you know, or, you

9:00

ziplining place we went to ones because they were

9:00

so awesome. It's so nice.

9:04

And so it's very, it's very rare that somebody unless

9:06

it's their job, just writes a review that is just

9:15

mean, you wouldn't go to a restaurant and think

9:15

that and then give it a you know, go out and make

9:24

know, probably not, unless, unless you had really high expectations

9:27

and it didn't meet it like, you know, if you

9:32

really expensive. It's going to be really nice.

9:32

And then it was just kind of mediocre, then you

9:39

was okay. But that was kind of Roger Ebert

9:39

philosophy when it came to watching movies. He

9:46

of horror movie, you're not comparing it to

9:46

Citizen Kane. You're comparing it to the best

9:53

that all in context. You know, take put put

9:53

context and when you're reading these reviews,

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Both Siskel and Ebert, like I said, we're writing

10:00

for rival newspapers in Chicago and they both gave

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half to four stars. But on the show, do you know

10:10

what their what they used with thumbs up or thumbs

10:20

up. I don't have trademarks the right word, but

10:20

they actually had intellectual property with the

10:28

shows weren't allowed to use that that was like

10:28

owned by them, the whole arms up, thumbs down, and

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Siskel and Ebert are trying to explain to Elmo and

10:44

I think it's Elmo, or maybe it's Oscar and tally

10:44

the monster about what the thumbs down up, thumbs

10:53

upwards. So that meant good. And they were

10:53

explaining and then the monsters were telling

11:02

Right? And then they got into big argument Siskel

11:02

and Ebert got in an argument about whether some

11:08

yelling at each other, I have to say, you know,

11:08

thumbs up thumbs down is it's a double edged

11:17

of nuance, to say, well, you know, I liked these

11:17

things about it. I didn't like these things. But

11:24

right? It's it's, you got to appreciate just

11:24

Should I say it or not just I don't need a one

11:31

sometimes nuance isn't what's needed, just should

11:31

I go see this thing? You know, and in fact, Eva,

11:41

always, as Gene, Cisco and Robert, Roger Ebert, if

11:41

I haven't said already, he'd say gene needs to

11:50

up and I can see, I can tell you to go see the

11:50

movie. If there's parts of it that I don't like

11:59

they disagreed a little bit about what what

11:59

constituted a thumbs up or thumbs down. But I, I

12:08

think it worked, at least in that TV format. Maybe

12:08

if I'm reading a longer, more thought out review,

12:18

of liked that thumbs up, thumbs down. And it was

12:18

so quick that these these hits were like four or

12:25

down, move on to the next movie, they do a four or

12:25

five movies in, in a show. And then they sometimes

12:33

movie that was really bad. But you kind of already

12:33

already knew it was bad. Going into it, you know?

12:42

two thumbs up, then you're pretty confident that

12:42

it's gonna be a good movie, especially to people

12:49

that's kind of the where the magic is, these guys

12:49

fight about a lot of things. And most of the

12:57

they both like it, chances are I'm probably gonna

12:57

like it too. And the thing is, by watching the

13:04

review, this is what I don't like about Yelp. Is

13:04

that for me on reviews, I like to get to use

13:15

person has never steered me wrong. Or this person

13:15

doesn't have good taste. In Yelp. It's just random

13:25

where the where Yelp works. And Google works is in

13:25

the wisdom of the crowd, right? And 1000s of

13:37

trends towards one direction or the other, you can

13:37

probably count on it being that if it has five

13:44

other, then you can't really trust it. Yeah, I

13:44

agree completely. Well, let me tell you a little

13:50

talk about their work together. So Gene Siskel, he

13:50

was the skinny guy if you're trying to picture who

14:00

these guys before, but it was kind of a skinny one

14:00

and a portly one. And Jean Cisco was born in 1946.

14:12

in with his aunt and uncle at nine years old. Jean

14:12

Cisco, experienced a lot of anti semitism as well

14:23

degree in philosophy and graduated in 1967 and

14:23

went wrong, almost right away and got a job at the

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did a lot of criticism of film criticism, which at

14:33

the time, film criticism was pretty high brow.

14:44

pretty new. Art Criticism was what? What was probably in

14:46

vogue. And a film was starting to be in the late

14:58

respected. Roger Ebert, the Affer mentioned portly one, went

15:00

to University of Illinois. He ended up getting a

15:09

master's degree at Keio University of Cape Town

15:09

started actually in the Ph. D. English. down South

15:19

University of Chicago. He wanted to be a writer.

15:19

He got a job at the Chicago Sun Times just to kind

15:28

actually wrote some really trashy movies back in

15:28

the 70s. He wrote with Russ Meyer, who was like an

15:38

movies back then that were kind of just wild and

15:38

raunchy, but they're not like porn.

15:45

But he used to write all these really far out

15:45

movies. And Roger Ebert helped them out and wrote

15:55

Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. It was oh, yeah,

15:55

yeah. And then I've heard of that beneath the

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I have. I've heard of that. Yeah, yeah. He helped

16:03

write the screenplay on that. And he actually even

16:13

supposed to be the Sex Pistols version of Hard

16:13

Day's Night. They were trying to get the Sex

16:23

the Beatles path. And he wrote this movie, but it

16:23

was never released.

16:28

Because, well, Grace Kelly was on the board of Fox. And Fox

16:30

was going to try to release this movie. And she

16:40

ever seen in my life. You know, we're not

16:40

releasing this movie. So nobody's ever seen the

16:46

internet for who killed Bambi? Yeah, so So wait,

16:46

it was gonna be the Sex Pistols as acting as like,

16:57

was gonna be like Hard Day's Night. Oh, yeah. Or

16:57

didn't the Beatles do one called help as well?

17:04

think I think that's the idea behind this Sex

17:04

Pistols movie. But like I say, they filmed I think

17:13

any Sex Pistols, concert footage. And I don't know

17:13

if any of that footage exists, but I know the

17:23

So he eventually had to kind of quit his, his

17:23

education was too expensive. And he kind of got

17:35

Roger Ebert. He they were both. So now they're

17:35

both writers that rival papers. And Chicago is a

17:43

Kelly? I wasn't a big newspaper guy. I did like to

17:43

read the comics. And I did like to read Dave

17:51

article, comedic article. Sure.

17:56

As a big newspaper guy, but yeah, I know some

17:56

people that like got the newspaper every day and

18:03

know, and maybe got more than one newspaper. Yeah,

18:03

I think for a while we were getting in Houston,

18:11

Not because I don't think I don't think anybody my

18:11

family ever really read it other than like, the

18:19

Oh, yeah. The newspaper anyway. Yes, I do remember

18:19

newspapers. And then you know, what a great thing

18:29

So in big cities like Chicago, they'd have

18:29

multiple newspapers. And at the time in the 70s,

18:38

the Sunday Times. So if you got the Tribune, you flip to the movie

18:40

section or the entertainment section, you'd see

18:47

out. If you got the sun times, you'd flip to the

18:47

entertainment section, you'd see Roger Ebert

18:58

these guys together on a TV show. And, and they

18:58

who clearly didn't see eye to eye didn't really

19:10

and let the sparks fly. Now, Roger Ebert was a

19:10

great writer, like I said, he was a English

19:21

even though they're kind of trashy, but he was a

19:21

good writer. He actually won the Pulitzer Prize

19:31

kind of resented that and thought that other than

19:31

that,

19:37

just was jealous of that. So I started the show together on the local

19:39

Chicago PBS station, and it was called, this isn't

19:48

Doesn't really roll off the tongue. It was called

19:48

opening soon and a theater near you.

19:54

Wow, they didn't really workshop that title at

19:54

all. I feel like we really workshopped

20:00

at NAB city, right dying soon at a theater near

20:00

you.

20:05

Right so it was called opening soon in a theater

20:05

near you from 75 to 77. I do not remember that

20:15

sneak previews. And that's when I got on board

20:15

like 1978. They can call it sneak previews. And I

20:25

Monty Python or before Monty Python and on on PBS.

20:25

And that was the only reason I had to watch PBS

20:38

and it was just two guys talking about movies,

20:38

there was nothing flashy about him. I just, and I

20:46

movies, a lot of them were R rated movies, a lot

20:46

of them were boring movies, that eight year old

20:54

watching these two. Grownups just kind of yell at

20:54

each other. And, you know, college, should they

21:03

mean, I didn't watch the show, but I don't ever

21:03

remember them like really going off on each other

21:11

see today with like Fox News, where people are

21:11

just, you know, yelling at each other and

21:18

tell. I could tell as a little kid that these guys

21:18

had issues with each other and they thought that

21:29

whatever it is that they were talking about. And I

21:29

used to love that. Like I said, I wasn't watching

21:35

movies. I was watching because I liked watching

21:35

these guys argue. And I think part of it was they

21:46

civil to each other but really had almost a

21:46

passive aggressive. Very, yeah. 1982 they

21:59

Oh, yes. I remember that. That's the one I

21:59

remember. And then they had a dispute with their

22:08

companies, and then they did and then they titled

22:08

their show, Siskel and Ebert and the movies. Oh,

22:18

allowed to call it at the movies. They called

22:18

Siskel and Ebert and the movies and that was

22:27

seven Emmy Award. So they were together for 13

22:27

years of that one of that one. So they were

22:37

together. Wow. Man, how did they do it? So Roger Ebert said his

22:40

philosophy was,

22:48

it's not what a movie is about. It's how it's

22:48

about what it's about. That's what he thought film

22:56

how it's about what it's about, tell you why. And

22:56

to do so. And like I said, four minutes. And

23:05

people probably made it look easier than it

23:05

actually was. They did not like each other,

23:14

it's, there's a great book, I have not read this

23:14

book, because it just came out about a month ago

23:22

each other. And that book has a great title. You

23:22

know, what the title would you call a book about

23:30

something or another? It's better than that did.

23:34

What? opposable thumbs? Oh, wow, great. Thumbs up.

23:34

Yeah, two words. You know exactly what it's about.

23:46

this book. But it's about how Siskel and Ebert changed movies

23:48

forever by Matt singer. I can't wait to dive into

23:58

they didn't rehearse the show at all. So when they

23:58

rolled camera, they did not know what the other

24:06

the other one was gonna say. They actually didn't

24:06

even know what movie one of them didn't know what

24:12

Right? They also the CIT champion, small, independent

24:14

movies. And I think that's that was another thing,

24:23

have known about a movie like My Dinner With

24:23

Andre. That's not something I see at the big metro

24:34

But you know, when you talk to one about the

24:34

other, they would never say that they didn't like

24:40

you this. This is what Roger Ebert said, we had a lot of big fights. We

24:43

were people who came together one day a week and

24:51

daily newspapers in two different television

24:51

stations. So there was a lot of competition and a

24:58

tuning forks strike. One and the other would pick up the same

25:00

frequency. When we were in a group together, we

25:07

Sometimes this took the form of camaraderie,

25:07

shared opinions, sometimes sometimes hostility.

25:16

both thought was funny but weren't supposed to God

25:16

help us if one caught the other ones I, we almost

25:24

may be the best sign of intellectual communion. So

25:24

they respected each other, kind of, but I want you

25:33

that are friendly to one another. This is let me

25:33

set let me set this up. This is them recording a

25:44

found less excited, Roger. That's why we're doing

25:44

it because of what you did.

25:50

If thriller week on Siskel and Ebert the movies

25:50

and we've got three new one and the movie, not

25:57

And that's why we're doing it this time. It's thriller week on Cisco labored in the movies

26:01

and we've got three new ones. Dennis Quaid and The

26:10

And Kevin Costner and Gene Hackman and no way out

26:10

this week on Cisco. And Ebert and the movie

26:19

and the iPhone. And that's Roger. Oh,

26:24

wow. Yeah, that's,

26:29

you know, sometimes when you when you riff on

26:29

somebody like that, you're kind of laughing and

26:36

Well, and the visual of this is great, because

26:36

they're both one is kind of, they're one sitting

26:46

like, kneeling in the chair, and they're both

26:46

looking at the camera, but they're not looking at

26:53

at each other, you can be a little more

26:57

cross and the way you say things, you know, and I

26:57

thought that was pretty, pretty funny. Yeah, it

27:07

that. If you look on YouTube, there's more of

27:07

those kinds of guys just kind of getting getting

27:14

find that Alex? Siskel and Ebert want to kill each

27:14

other Cisco in Hebrew fights? Yeah, you know, all

27:23

that I know of. Some of the movies that Jean Cisco loved he loved.

27:25

I think his favorite movie was Fargo.

27:32

Good movie loved also Hoop Dreams. And he loves

27:32

Saturday Night Fever. Remember the John Travolta

27:41

actually bought the suit. The white suit the

27:41

famous John Travolta white suit, he bought that at

27:49

Travolta wore. Yeah, he bought that. Yeah, not not

27:49

a replica. This was Gene Siskel. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

28:00

as a movie prop. And then Roger Ebert love 2001

28:00

Space Odyssey and raging bull. Those are probably

28:09

funny to see the movies, especially with the

28:13

with the passage of time to see the movies that

28:13

they hated that ended up being kind of thought of

28:22

poltergeists Scarface, Beverly Hills Cop,

28:22

Terminator, Thelma and Louise in silence of the

28:33

know, yeah, though. I mean, those are all movies

28:33

that people still talk about today. Right, right,

28:41

gladiator Fight Club Elephant Man. Clockwork

28:41

Orange Raising Arizona usual suspects Fast Times

28:53

would see the movie before other people so they

28:53

weren't influenced by what other people had to had

29:01

want you to play though, is the review for the

29:01

movie Home Alone three Did you know there was a

29:07

No. So you know Home Alone one right kind of a

29:07

Christmas I don't know if I've ever actually seen

29:16

Culkin doing mean things to mean guys. So these

29:16

movies get played a lot of around the holiday time

29:25

of Christmas staples. Home Alone three though

29:25

didn't have any of the same people that made the

29:34

just kind of a direct to DVD. cheap attempt at

29:34

reliving cashing in on the name totally cashing

29:45

were involved at all. And actually Roger Ebert

29:45

liked this movie better than the first two. Which

29:52

even make sense. movie had a theme song it would

29:52

be dumbbells keep falling on my head. The story

30:00

For every family that's going to be suckered into

30:00

saying Home Loan three. Now this is going to

30:05

It does astound me. Are you okay? Better than you

30:05

were the day that you like starship Trooper, okay?

30:13

little kids. This is the one where they finally

30:13

got it right, I liked it better than the other

30:20

the idea that they can somehow affect the outcome

30:20

that they can have power over grownups that they

30:29

things. It's not as violent as the second one. The kid is

30:31

charming. He really is a good little actor. And

30:38

thought the kid was generic laptop. And I thought

30:38

that they're hooking up and that kid Yes, come on,

30:46

the other thing is, it's the same plot as the

30:46

first one only more bumps to the head. And second,

30:51

that this one empowers them more than the other

30:51

one. Absolutely. Not just the secret of the that's

30:56

because they love the fantasy that they have

30:56

power. But it's overdone overkill here and I'm not

31:04

All right. All right. So quick question for you.

31:04

Was that from the episode that actually aired? Or

31:12

That's the kind of stuff they would do when they

31:12

Yeah, they would just Yeah, I guess I don't

31:18

just remember the be nerdy dudes that watched the

31:18

movies and gave it a thumbs up. That's what I

31:24

up like, like he says, well, not as dumb as when

31:24

you like started. That was probably years earlier.

31:34

that. Roger Ebert had a really fun way with words

31:34

though. And when he didn't like a movie, he would

31:45

the more popular Roger Ebert

31:49

pans pan's was from a movie called North. Have you

31:49

ever heard of that movie? No. I think it had like

32:00

was like during Seinfeld.

32:04

Or maybe I had one of them in it. Not the other. I

32:04

don't know. I don't remember who was in it. But it

32:11

And who? romcom No, I think it was supposed to be

32:11

a comedy. I don't know. But here's here's his

32:21

hated, hated, hated, hated this movie, hated it.

32:21

Hated every simpering stupid vacant, audience

32:32

thought anyone would like it hated the implied

32:32

insult to the audience by its belief that anyone

32:40

up writing a book called I hated, hated hated this

32:40

movie of all, and it had a it was a collection of

32:50

like it. Another funny one. Is there was a movie

32:50

called Mad Dog time that came out in 1996. Have

32:58

don't think it was very popular. He said this is

32:58

the first movie I've seen that does not improve on

33:05

length of time. I've seen that movies before. But

33:05

usually they made me care about how bad they were

33:15

in a city where you're not sure if they have a bus

33:15

line.

33:19

And he said that the film should be cut up to

33:19

provide free ukulele picks for the poor.

33:28

I guess Sally Lloyd's ukulele picks some that's

33:28

some genius criticism

33:34

for ukulele picks. Well, these guys were they would appear on talk

33:37

shows together. You can see some of them on Johnny

33:46

everything together. And I do think over time they

33:46

had this. You couldn't say one without the other.

33:56

kind of liking each other respecting each other.

33:56

Whenever, unfortunately, Jean Cisco was diagnosed

34:06

committed to the show that he did the show from

34:06

his hospital room

34:10

on the phone having while you're having brain

34:10

surgery, he announced the leave of absence and

34:21

later. Well, Roger Ebert continued to do the show

34:21

with different guest hosts was never really the

34:33

In 2002, though, he got thyroid cancer. I don't

34:33

know if you remember this. And then he had to have

34:43

remove his jaw. And ultimately that that took away

34:43

his voice in 2006. He couldn't speak. And so he

34:54

still wrote Movie Reviews. He still did his job.

34:54

And then I remember seeing him

35:00

I think it was on Oprah or something around 2000.

35:06

When did he died in 2013. So I think around 2008

35:06

or so they came up with the technology where they

35:17

His voice, they were able to use his voice and

35:17

then have the electronic voice that he used to

35:26

be his voice because they just had so much of

35:26

that, of course, the technology wasn't this is 20

35:36

the last few years of his life, he was able to

35:36

speak with his electronic voice, rather than just

35:46

was able to still kind of do some talk to his

35:46

wife, you know, I don't think he did full shows or

35:54

his with his voice. And he finally, like I say, he

35:54

finally passed in 2013. And today,

36:05

there's the the Film Center at University of

36:05

Chicago is the Gene Siskel Film Center. And they

36:16

Illinois, at the University of Illinois in front

36:16

of a movie theater. And it's three chairs, movie

36:24

a thumbs up. It's a statue of him with the thumbs

36:24

up nice. And then at the Cannes Film Festival,

36:34

Conference Center, which is probably kind of the

36:34

ultimate honor that you can get. Yeah, yeah. For

36:43

But, you know, I think today, when you win there,

36:43

I don't think anyone's filled their shoes. I

36:52

gives that kind of film criticism, unless you, you

36:52

know, you can read film criticism, which is great.

37:03

form of recaps, where you they just tell you

37:03

everything that happened, and then they kind of

37:11

There's nobody out there that I trust, like I used

37:11

to trust them. In terms of giving me a non

37:21

should go see this film, thumbs up or thumbs down.

37:21

Yeah. Yeah.

37:25

So back to your original question that you asked

37:25

me about? Would I rather be the, you know, behind

37:37

all? How does that relate to Siskel and Ebert?

37:37

Well, I think just the idea that

37:44

you there was no such thing as like a Gene Siskel

37:44

fan, like, it was always Siskel and Ebert, you

37:55

that the deal that they made was, even though they

37:55

didn't like each other, they were linked, and they

38:04

these days when there are successful Duo's

38:04

sometimes, one of the people in the duo thinks

38:13

do it on their own. And I think in today's world,

38:13

they would have probably both split up both had a

38:24

their thing on their own and think, why do I need

38:24

this other person? And I think it's, I think they

38:32

with each other, or the power of them agreeing

38:32

with each other, that they needed each other.

38:40

so I don't think there's a lot of that these days,

38:40

it's just not a lot of those two person teams that

38:48

Yeah, yeah. So so

38:51

I could see, with the two of them being partners

38:51

at the time that they were, of course, you know,

39:00

everybody's, you know, getting clips on YouTube,

39:00

everybody's, you know, doing all those things. At

39:09

being on television. That wasn't something that

39:09

everybody got to do, right? You didn't, even if

39:16

job at the Chicago newspaper and ended up getting

39:16

a television show. But I do agree that you don't

39:26

to me, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know what you

39:26

meant out of context. You'd say oh, yeah, of

39:32

Cisco, I might say that or if you just said,

39:32

Ebert, I might, you know, like not hearing the

39:39

that connection. So I see what you mean about them

39:39

being tied at the hip. I saw an interview with

39:48

about how that became Siskel and Ebert. And they

39:48

said they flipped a coin and Eber lost. And the

39:57

and then switch and then switch it up. Oh, of

39:57

course.

40:00

So, you know, why would you why would you switch

40:00

it people know you as this, but at right time, and

40:09

get the crowd to say it sounds just as good Ebert

40:09

and Cisco and they had the Crowd Chant Ebert and

40:17

and he was laughing. Cisco was annoyed, you can

40:17

tell he was annoyed at the notion that it would be

40:26

But you know, it is funny, I don't know if it's

40:26

because your brain is just used to one way. Or if

40:36

together, like Siskel and Ebert, to me sounds

40:36

better than Eber and Cisco. But is that just

40:43

it actually, there's some sort of phonetics to it?

40:43

That sound better? I don't know. I guess we'll

40:51

gonna say, about them as a duo not going out on

40:51

their own necessarily, it's kind of like a band,

41:03

popular band, but nobody knows, really knows the

41:03

individual members? Or, I mean, like, Third Eye

41:12

did a lot of really good things. Most people don't

41:12

know the names of any of the band members, but

41:20

get just individuals Justin Bieber or, or Beyonce

41:20

or whoever, who are single person stars. And you

41:28

is, right? So I don't know, I kind of like a kind of like the

41:31

second, or the first scenario of being in a band

41:39

anonymous. And but when you say the band name,

41:39

everybody's like, Whoa, yeah, that's, yeah, that's

41:47

idea who you are. But I think though, in this case, too, they were

41:50

individually at least they had their newspaper

41:58

recognition. They didn't just start together known

41:58

as like the movie guys. Ranch had separate

42:08

then when you put it all together, that made me I

42:08

don't think they would have been as popular as

42:15

dudes or something. Yeah. And that's why when, you

42:15

know, we started talking about podcasts and you

42:23

No, no, like that. It's gonna be better if it's

42:23

dirt nap city, and, yeah, leave yourself out of

42:32

Siskel and Ebert and the movies at the movies. You

42:32

didn't

42:37

like that? It must be hard to say Siskel and Ebert

42:37

in the movies. Just doesn't cause a lot. There had

42:46

used to be called at the movies. Oh, yeah. Well,

42:46

you heard in their outtake, they they couldn't do

42:54

Siskel in the movies. Thanks. Good night.

43:00

Well, if you would like to hear to the modern

43:00

version of two idiots arguing about a movie, check

43:13

we debate the merits of the movie Wonka

43:18

classic. It's our take on Cisco.

43:23

Yeah, that's about as smart as the time you did a

43:23

podcast about Pilates.

43:29

Bye, everybody.