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In this episode I am hardcore confronted by

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an up-and-coming interviewer. I actually know this

0:46

interviewer and did consider him a friend

0:48

but many people have said he was

0:50

unnecessarily brutal on me. He grilled me

0:52

on why I interviewed Andrew Tate. He

0:54

would not leave it alone about if

0:56

I pay for guests and tried to

0:58

trip me up many times. He even

1:00

managed to get me to kind of

1:02

expose Steven Barla even though everything I

1:04

said was true but frankly I pushed

1:07

back on him quite hard and believed

1:09

that many of his responses are not

1:11

accurate. This interviewer doesn't usually interview entrepreneurs.

1:13

He's got ex-warlords, criminals, you name

1:15

it so I'm a different type

1:17

of interview for him. This went

1:19

wild in his community and people

1:22

who are entrepreneurial seemed to side

1:24

with me. Everyone else seemed

1:26

to side with him. I would love your

1:28

thoughts. Let's do this. Rob,

1:31

welcome to the show mate. Dodge. It's about

1:33

time isn't it? It is. It's been on the cards for

1:35

a while. Yeah Harry said where'd you meet Dodge? We met

1:38

on Clubhouse didn't we? We

1:40

did. We met on Clubhouse. My god yeah it was.

1:42

Yeah I picked up a few good friends from Clubhouse

1:44

actually. It's a shame they fucked it. It's a

1:46

shame they fucked it. Yeah you are right you know what

1:48

but it was good time in for

1:50

everyone's minds and to meet new people

1:53

and have good chats. Yeah it was everything

1:55

you lost in lockdown you got in Clubhouse.

1:57

Yeah the connection meeting new people having interest

1:59

in conversations, they just

2:01

turned their back on entrepreneurs too quick and

2:04

I think we're a bit left

2:07

about the revenue. Yeah. Yeah,

2:10

that's the check. You were all in, weren't

2:12

you? Yeah, well I'd be. You were hosting

2:14

rooms like every hour across America and across

2:16

here and da da da da. Yeah, I

2:18

became the 80th highest followed

2:21

person on Clubhouse within about nine

2:24

months. I'd sort of semi-retired

2:26

from my businesses. I've done it a

2:28

few times over the years and I had time.

2:31

Yeah, we all have plenty of time, don't we? Yeah.

2:33

Let's roll all the way back. Where did you grow

2:35

up and how did you become an entrepreneur? Well,

2:39

growing up wasn't really something I did anywhere

2:41

for any length of time because dad kept

2:43

moving us around the place. So

2:46

my dad's always owned pubs, bars, hotels,

2:48

the odd little club

2:51

and so we always moved around Cambridge

2:54

Shire and around that area. So I

2:56

don't really have a home in terms

2:58

of where I'm from. I've lived in

3:00

Peterborough for the longest amount of time

3:02

which is since I was probably 17.

3:07

What was pub life like for you? Because I grew up in

3:09

pubs from a very young

3:11

age, from the age of like three. Yeah,

3:13

me too. Yeah, all the way up to 18 plus. Yeah,

3:17

so what was good about living in

3:19

pubs is the constant supply of cold

3:21

Coca-Cola in the old school bottles. Bottles,

3:23

then you turn to the squirters. Yeah,

3:26

but then the downside of that was it made me

3:28

fat. I

3:31

was like a pool shark from a

3:33

very young age because that's, what

3:35

else did you have to do if you could play pool?

3:38

But emotionally

3:41

probably fucked me up a bit because mum and

3:45

dad would have to go and work downstairs in

3:47

the pub and me and my sister

3:49

would often just be left. Not

3:52

criticizing my parents. They didn't, you know, I couldn't

3:55

wish for any better parents, but

3:58

we were left alone a lot. from a

4:00

young age, even though they were still

4:02

in the same building. So yeah, that

4:04

created quite a sense of loneliness. I've

4:07

paid a lot of therapists a lot

4:09

of money to sort of dig into why

4:11

at times I can feel very lonely.

4:16

Yeah, so I don't

4:18

really have a where I'm from. I mean,

4:20

I support Liverpool in football. But-

4:24

What was school life like for you? I

4:26

just rolled back a bit there. You said, you

4:28

know, drinking coke, eating loads of crisps, eating pub

4:31

food. I was the same- The big Walker's Crisp

4:33

box. I used to get the KP man come

4:35

in the morning, and it was two pound a

4:37

box. I had like six boxes in my bedroom.

4:40

I get it, I get where you're coming from. It's like there was nothing

4:43

back there to say, you can't eat that, you can't

4:45

do this. It's just you were just grabbing it, eating

4:47

pub foods, lasagna, chili con carne, whatever it may be.

4:50

How did that affect your mind? How did it affect you

4:52

when you were at school, knowing that you were getting,

4:57

bloating up, getting bigger? Yeah, that was, most

5:01

of my pain comes from

5:03

that source of being the fattest kid in my

5:05

year. For probably two to three

5:07

years straight, I was the token.

5:10

So if you're like the second fattest kid

5:12

in the year, you

5:15

can always go, well, he's fatter. And

5:18

the butt of the jokes were never on the third

5:20

fattest kid, they were on the fattest kid. And

5:23

that was me. And I hated

5:25

it more than anything I can

5:28

tell you. And I always felt

5:30

so lonely because anytime any of

5:32

the other kids were talking and whispering, I just always

5:34

assumed it was about me. And sometimes it was, but

5:37

often it wasn't. And

5:39

so I created this real like

5:41

outsider complex. And

5:45

weirdly looking back, it

5:47

gave me some skills with people because

5:49

I learned to get on with everyone because

5:51

it was my only way back in. So

5:54

even though I couldn't get the girls back then, I

5:58

was friends with everyone. I learned how to be friends with everyone. with

6:00

everyone. But then the downside of

6:02

that was it made me a bit of a

6:04

people pleaser type person. I couldn't have any conflict

6:06

because conflict meant you're ostracized, you're last picked at

6:08

rugby, you know all that kind of

6:10

stuff. So yeah it

6:13

was horrible and I lost, I

6:16

begged my mum and dad to get me to leave the school

6:18

because it was also a boarding school. So

6:20

it's worse evenings, it's

6:22

worth weekends. Yeah

6:25

I want to make it really clear there

6:27

was no individual kid at school who was

6:29

a horrendous bully to me like some people

6:31

have experienced. Actually it was

6:33

just kids being kids but you know kids can

6:35

be fucking cruel and they don't know it and

6:37

they probably, I remember seeing school friends 20 years

6:39

later and we talk about this and they didn't

6:42

even know because they were just growing up being

6:44

kids but I probably build it up as much

6:46

in my mind as it was in reality and

6:48

so I would cry to my mum

6:50

and dad, I would cry to my mum every

6:52

weekend and never to my dad and

6:55

I begged them to let me change schools

6:59

and I had this goal, if

7:01

mum and dad let me leave this school

7:03

to go to whatever school I don't care

7:05

and I'll lose all the weight in the

7:07

summer holidays. So I lost three

7:09

stone in eight or nine weeks which is

7:12

not healthy when you're 14 years old. Just

7:14

give me an idea of what size you were, how much you

7:17

were weighing in at? I

7:19

guess about 13 stone. As a 12 year old? Yeah.

7:24

So yeah. And was sport in

7:26

your life? Yeah. It was. Yeah.

7:29

Like I got good at sport because I

7:31

was fat so getting good at sport meant

7:34

I got some appreciation and love so I was

7:36

opening bat for the county at cricket, I

7:39

was prop at rugby, one of the, I'm

7:41

sorry, when you're that young the black kid

7:43

is prop. Get him in there, you'll do

7:45

good. I mean it's different now but

7:47

you know the fat kids were the prop, the skinny

7:49

kid was the hooker. You know and that's how it

7:51

was back then. What were you thinking from the age

7:54

you went to obviously university up to probably 21? That's

7:56

21 to 26, how are you earning a pound

7:58

mark? a very

8:00

quick event happened. I went to a property networking

8:02

event locally. Now, I used to hate what I

8:04

would deem to be your piece. Yeah,

8:07

or I was- Yeah, I'd be, do you remember? Yeah,

8:09

yeah. Anyone in a suit and a tie and a

8:11

briefcase, you know, someone in

8:13

the city, I would hate them. I liked

8:15

Radiohead and Rage Against the Machine and I

8:18

didn't even know it, but I was quite

8:20

sort of lefty, ironic, because I wanted to

8:22

be successful. And it came out of nowhere,

8:24

really. And then, so I thought, going to

8:27

a property networking event, they're just all gonna

8:29

be greedy, selfish, suited up yuppies where I'm

8:31

some spiky-haired artist with holes in his jeans

8:33

before that was a thing. And

8:37

I had all this baggage, but it was all

8:39

noise. It wasn't any based on anything

8:41

real. But when what happened with

8:43

my dad, I just went. Because

8:46

I knew, and actually it wasn't

8:48

as bad as I thought, and there was more normal people

8:50

there than I thought. And at that very first meeting, I

8:52

met my business partner, still of today, Mark Homer. And

8:56

then, within a few

8:59

weeks, he'd got me a job in his

9:01

property company. And within a few weeks, I

9:04

was earning enough money to start knocking my debt down.

9:06

Within a year, I got all my debt down. I'd

9:08

earned nearly 100 grand. My business partner

9:10

and I had about 20 properties together. So it all

9:12

started to fit together really quick. Of

9:15

course, his name Mark Homer? Yeah, yeah, he's still my

9:17

business partner today. So today is it? Yeah. Okay,

9:19

what did he see in you, do you reckon? Did he know

9:21

you were 50 grand in debt? No. And I

9:24

didn't know he had loads of money. I

9:26

bet you did. I did when, I got pissed

9:28

one time and he told me I'm getting money

9:30

here. And I was like, right, six months later,

9:32

we have 20 properties with his money. Quality,

9:35

was your brainchild the events in

9:37

property? Yeah. Or was it

9:39

Mark's? Well, I don't think it's fair to

9:41

say it was my brainchild, because I wasn't the first person to

9:43

ever run training and education in property.

9:45

No, but where did you see the opportunity again?

9:47

I've been to a couple of these, we can

9:50

do this better. Yeah, so I went to a

9:52

few events where people were teaching property, and

9:54

I thought, they've not really got any charisma.

9:56

They're all 25 years older

9:58

than Mark and I. So I thought big

10:01

opportunity, but I also had to feel

10:03

credible and I think I

10:05

can't say exactly But maybe when we got

10:07

to 50 properties that we bought because we

10:10

sell some package some given You know charge

10:12

other people to buy them, but

10:14

there was a time it was around about 0 809 Well,

10:17

I thought you know what I know enough and

10:20

what I don't know mark does I don't know

10:22

right even though we're fairly upstart ish everyone seems

10:24

to be going bust I'm

10:26

gonna write a book. We should throw

10:28

a course together and and That's

10:32

what we did. Did you always want to

10:34

build an empire? Yeah, you did. Yeah. Yeah

10:36

You never wanted to go for a life that

10:38

12 amount 12 staff and have a real nice

10:41

lifestyle around it But why would you

10:43

stop so Harry and I were talking in the

10:45

car today? I have seven cars most of them

10:47

are super cars and Harry's

10:49

like well. Yeah seven cars Yeah, what

10:52

cars have we got? What have you got Porsche

10:54

Panamera Turbo S? Ariel

10:56

Atsun Porsche 911

10:59

new newer one Range

11:03

Rover 1989

11:08

Porsche Turbo the bad boys won.

11:11

How do you do? 46

11:14

right so we're similar age. I'm 44 so you

11:16

remember the film bad boys Will Smith. Yeah, and

11:19

that that yeah, which most Young

11:22

men. Yeah drooled over

11:24

or other things Did

11:28

I just say the tester osser no

11:30

the Ferrari tester osser I

11:33

Don't know is that oh and an an beginning

11:35

event at all. I don't know why I always forget that one And

11:38

I'm just about to buy a Aston

11:40

Martin DBS and I I

11:42

take it you're just a car Love

11:44

cars. Yeah, you have to yeah about cars. Yeah,

11:46

and I know I have done. I have no interest

11:48

in cars I have

11:50

no interest in watches. Okay, I love both

11:53

of those More than yeah, you

11:55

know people say our money doesn't make you happy fucking does

11:57

I've been broken I've been rich and I tell you I'm

11:59

a lot I get it, I

12:01

totally get it, it's nothing to do with money, that

12:03

just doesn't interest me. I've got a nice, it's cheap,

12:06

it's cheaper to not be interested in a low-free car.

12:09

After the stuff I've done that I use. Well, that's

12:11

perfect, but let's say you loved cars, why

12:13

would you get to a number and stop? You wouldn't,

12:16

you'd do it. What with cars? Well, I only need

12:18

one car. Yeah, but now, if you liked cars. Oh

12:21

God, if I liked cars and I was addicted to cars and

12:24

I'd think, oh yeah, that's my bag,

12:26

I would go for it. Yeah, and

12:28

probably the same with watches, I'm not

12:30

a showy person. Yeah.

12:34

Because I would feel a plum driving around

12:36

in Lamborghini. Yeah.

12:39

I would. Yeah. If I stopped at the lights and

12:41

I had a red Ferrari and I'd look up and

12:43

see a load of Follies in the back, I'd think,

12:45

oh no, but that's just me. Yeah. Well, remember, I

12:47

was the fat kid at school who never

12:49

got noticed by anyone, so I'm, I

12:52

used to be showy. I'm a bit

12:54

less like that now, I like don't, I often, of

12:57

all these cars I've got, I hardly drive a lot

12:59

of them. And I often

13:01

just drive the Porsche, which is the most understated

13:03

one, even though it's 700 horsepower. But the point

13:05

I was gonna make, you said, why don't you

13:07

want a lifestyle business? Because like, I'm not gonna

13:09

stop at seven cars. I'm gonna buy my favorite

13:11

Ferrari F40 Classic and I'm gonna buy, I'm then

13:13

gonna get a bigger house so I can have

13:15

an underground garage, so I can have even more

13:17

cars. Why would you ever stop? People

13:20

think there's a destination. There's no destination.

13:22

What are you gonna do? You think, I'm not

13:24

gonna get any more guests now on the

13:26

podcast. You can see that, Eventful Entrepreneur Podcast.

13:28

Eventful Lives, we've actually, yes, Eventful Lives. Yes,

13:30

and I know why you've done that. We'll

13:33

go on to that. Hosted by Dodge Woodall and you've got

13:35

all the list of guests you've had. What are you gonna

13:37

do? I know, I've got, because you've got enough guests there.

13:40

Yeah. You could just focus on getting those

13:42

episodes out to more people. No, no, no,

13:44

you're gonna keep interviewing guests. You're not gonna

13:46

stop, why are you gonna stop? Because I

13:49

absolutely love doing a podcast. I actually, I

13:51

absolutely love building businesses. I love building

13:53

businesses. And I've built some

13:55

amazing businesses and sold businesses. And I've got some brilliant

13:57

businesses at the moment. I

14:00

just don't have the urge to buy cars

14:02

and watches. The thing for me is nice

14:04

long lunches, good food, nice holidays and good

14:06

friends around me. That's just makes me content.

14:09

And I've got a lovely car, but that's just

14:11

me. And I'm content with that. I just

14:13

wanna know how your mind works in

14:15

wanting more and more and more because does

14:17

that actually bring you happiness? Right,

14:21

there's a very long way to

14:23

answer this question. Let's go the short way. All right. I

14:26

cleared the day for you. Oh

14:29

fucking day. Bitch, you don't like

14:31

it. I've got you for a whole day. Yeah, you can edit

14:33

it out of it if you don't like it. Well, one

14:36

thing I just wanna say quickly is I'm a fan of

14:38

long form content. I do the short

14:40

form because you have to, but I'm a fan of

14:42

long form, not short form. I like good conversation. There

14:44

you go. If it's a shit conversation, it'd be short

14:47

form. There you go. Or just

14:49

edit, edit, edit. So,

14:51

okay. So I believe

14:53

that one

14:55

of the main purposes of life is

14:59

progress. So we

15:02

become stronger. So we

15:04

evolve as a species. And

15:09

happiness is not

15:12

evolution. Happiness is a

15:14

reward emotion that we get. Are

15:20

you happy? Let

15:22

me tell, let me- No, no, no, no. Are you happy?

15:25

No one is happy. I

15:29

disagree. No. Well, everyone's entitled to

15:32

my opinion. No. Are

15:38

there times in your life when you get angry? Very

15:41

rarely. But there are. There

15:46

are. Yeah, there are. Are there times where

15:48

you get frustrated? Very

15:50

rarely. But there are. But I guess there are.

15:53

Are there times where you feel lonely? No.

15:56

Never. Never. Never.

16:00

since the day I was born I've never had

16:02

a job so people who come entrepreneurs then realize

16:04

that there's lots of loneliness I'm just used to

16:06

it have you ever been screwed over by anyone

16:10

what I haven't got hold of we have a money

16:12

back yeah yeah but yeah have

16:14

you ever been screwed over by anyone I've

16:19

always got my yeah but but did they do you have you

16:21

to get your money back uh

16:24

yes I guess so but they did yeah

16:26

yeah have you ever in your life felt

16:28

envy or jealousy ever even

16:31

if it was fleeting and you were a boy if you ever

16:33

felt envy or jealousy I

16:35

must have but I don't feel like I'm an invisible jealous person

16:37

up that's to the point I'm trying to make yeah there

16:40

are times when you are happy and

16:42

there are times when you're a frustrated

16:44

angry envious jealousy why

16:47

because all of those emotions

16:50

are required for

16:52

you as this vessel of a human if they

16:54

weren't required you wouldn't feel them and

16:56

they serve a past we get older you

16:59

push those ones away you don't want them to come into

17:01

your life you don't want to envy you don't want jealousy

17:04

you don't want to be like we're

17:06

saying fucked off or angry I just don't want them

17:08

in my life no so you

17:10

work hard to

17:12

remove them and you work on

17:15

being happy hundred percent there you

17:17

go so you are not happy

17:19

you are working very hard to

17:22

feel more positive than negative

17:24

emotions hundred percent there you go because you have

17:26

to work yeah but then you have to know

17:29

what works for you and what doesn't work for

17:31

you yes but that's trial and error is a

17:33

country side makes

17:35

me happy nice food makes me happy yeah

17:37

a lovely wife and lovely friends all these

17:39

things make me happy not material things for

17:42

me no but material things you may make

17:44

you happy but I always have to question

17:46

that with people but do they

17:48

make you happy because having send

17:51

seven car friends about five six cars

17:53

and their car addicts are

17:55

they happy no but why do

17:58

you get the buzz you get the When you buy I don't

18:01

know much these cars are they sound expensive Do

18:04

you get a buzz when you've dropped 300 grand on

18:06

a car and got drive that back home? But

18:09

fuck that was uncomfy, but it's an

18:11

expensive car No,

18:14

no, you're talking like someone that

18:16

doesn't have an interesting car Don't

18:21

buy an ambiguity event adore for it

18:23

to be comfortable Yeah, you buy it

18:25

because it sounds fucking unreal and it

18:27

looks fucking unreal And also I'll tell

18:30

you one of the reasons why I

18:32

buy supercars Because I can because

18:34

I always wanted them when I was young but

18:36

I felt useless Yeah, and now

18:38

I'm not useless. I so that's so I

18:40

get that bit So I I understand why

18:42

you're buying them then because maybe this is

18:45

deep-rooted to you It is some sort of

18:47

trauma. I like collecting nice things as well

18:49

I have all I collect nice clothes. I

18:51

collect nice watches. Oh, it's like collecting Yeah,

18:54

things why because collection is progress. Hmm. So

18:57

I totally get you there progress is something

18:59

that I'm addicted Yeah, because that is in

19:01

built in you because if you don't progress

19:03

you don't evolve and improve as a human I

19:05

agree. I have to progress every day. Yeah, whether

19:08

it's the podcast whether it's getting more people's offense

19:10

Yeah, whether it's tweaking businesses. Yeah, whether it's improving

19:12

my style. Yeah lifestyle I want to get every

19:14

day. That's where I'm not buzz and that's in

19:16

you Yeah And by the way,

19:18

that doesn't always make that unhappiness can

19:21

conflict because sometimes you make progress and

19:23

you feel happy because you progress Yeah,

19:25

but sometimes you're frustrated because you're not

19:27

progressing enough. I get that as well

19:30

that bit So you're not always happy there. No, no,

19:32

no, but I get that the frustration Yeah of not

19:34

progressing and that's why I like to progress every single

19:37

tricky day. So that's my buzz

19:39

So the frustration is my addiction. Yes. So the

19:41

frustration is good. Why because it's forcing the progress

19:43

Yes, if you just I know Rob, I'm really

19:45

happy and content. Yeah, there would be no frustration.

19:47

Therefore there would be no drive for progress So

19:49

it's that front. Yeah, this is the yeah, I

19:52

think this is a really important point So let's

19:54

just yeah on it for a minute. So you

19:56

initially asked am I happy? Overall,

19:59

I'm fucking great grateful for my life. I said

20:01

this to Harry on the way down. Anything

20:03

I could have ever wished for when I was

20:05

12 years old, I have got

20:07

and more and I am really grateful. I'm

20:09

amazing family, I love all my stuff, I

20:12

love what I've built, blah, blah, blah.

20:14

But no, I'm not happy all the time.

20:16

Sometimes I'm thoroughly fucked off, thoroughly frustrated. I'm

20:18

like, I should be doing better than I

20:20

am. Why did I mess

20:22

that up? And I'm not under the

20:24

illusion that I should be

20:27

happy all the time. And I'm not chasing the

20:29

delusional fantasy that, well, if I just do this,

20:31

this and this, then I'll have

20:33

eternal happiness. Because eternal

20:35

happiness is the tease as

20:38

the reward for the struggle. Like

20:41

you're a fit guy, you've got good muscles, you didn't

20:43

just get them, you go down the gym and work

20:45

out every day. And no matter how good you look,

20:47

you always wanna be fit, stronger and better. So

20:50

I think the purpose of life is growth and

20:52

progress. And to go through that,

20:54

you have to have hardship. The muscles don't

20:56

grow unless they're ripped. You don't get fit

20:58

or unless you're gas. So

21:00

this is why. Hardship is a lovely thing.

21:04

Because it's only one way out. Well,

21:07

there's two ways out. There's two ways out. Back or forward, yeah.

21:09

Back or forward, yeah. But I was going at that forward route.

21:11

But you just said there about the gym, that's all great hitting

21:13

the gym, might have you. But if you're

21:15

not putting good food into your body, you're

21:18

not gonna, your body's not gonna react well. Your mind

21:20

is not gonna react well. And

21:22

I'm really, really intrigued in nutrition. I

21:24

love nutrition. And I find that if

21:26

you eat well, and

21:29

you train, brilliant. But you can't just train

21:31

and eat shit and expect to be good.

21:36

Yeah, I'm no food expert. My wife definitely

21:38

is. Are you addicted to food? She would

21:40

agree with that. I

21:46

have major emotional

21:49

baggage around food. And

21:53

the only thing that keeps me probably from not

21:55

being fat again is the fear of being fat.

21:58

So yeah, I have a bit of a fucked up relationship. with

22:00

food. I'm training for

22:02

a fight, my fight is in six weeks, it's like a charity

22:04

boxing match except we've got a hundred grand bet and it's in

22:06

front of 1600 people and

22:09

for the first time since I was 12, I feel

22:11

like... You've got to take the top off. In front of a

22:14

crowd. Yeah, I'm eating guilt free. I'm

22:17

training a lot. I'm training a hell of

22:19

a lot. Give an example. Is there a

22:21

white collar boxing match? Well, it depends how

22:23

you define it. You've got head guards on

22:25

you? No. Good. 12 ounce gloves. 12

22:27

ounce gloves. Who are you fighting? A guy called Samuel

22:29

Leeds is another guy in the property space, a lot

22:32

bigger than me. And

22:34

why are you fighting him? One to raise

22:36

£130,000 for charity which is the goal which

22:38

I think I'll achieve. Take that charity thing

22:40

out of the equation. Why are you fighting

22:42

Samuel Leeds? He called me out on a

22:44

podcast. He said, I understand

22:46

you think you could beat me in a fight, will you put your money

22:48

where your mouth is? I'm a bit

22:50

of a sucker for a challenge. So he said that

22:52

on a podcast with him. So are

22:54

you competitors in your world? Yeah,

22:56

well I mean I think

22:58

he's after a bit of leveraging

23:02

our brand. We have a bigger property brand. We've

23:04

been in the business longer than him. What's his brand

23:07

called? His name's Samuel Leeds.

23:09

It's all based around his own name. Okay. So

23:12

he's doing the same thing by putting your property. Is he

23:14

doing the events everywhere? Yeah. Yeah, he's buying properties.

23:16

I don't know how much he's buying. So you still look at each

23:18

other again. Hold on, let's have a little clash here. I don't like

23:20

your business. You don't like my business. Let's have a fight. Well,

23:23

and at the same time, we'll raise some money. Yeah,

23:26

I mean he's really good at

23:28

the, if you're being kind,

23:30

you'd call him a marketer. If you're

23:32

not, you'd call him a trash talker

23:34

or a bullshitter. He's great at the

23:36

hype. Okay. And so... Are you good

23:38

at the hype? Yeah, but

23:40

there's more truth in my hype. Okay.

23:43

Yeah. Because there's hype and then there's

23:45

pushing the boundaries and then there's bullshit. Right,

23:47

okay. I can't comment on where he is

23:49

on that, but I'm certainly lower

23:53

on the... On the Richter

23:55

scale. Yeah, I'm on the

23:57

Richter. Yeah. The BS-Ometer. your

24:00

chances against him? I've won

24:02

the fight already. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:04

I'm training fucking hard. Eat

24:07

them all? Yeah, well this

24:09

is your last question about... So I'm eating guilt

24:11

free for the first time in my life and

24:13

everyone around me, my wife, my trainers, they're like,

24:16

Rob you're not eating enough, you need to eat

24:18

more and they're trying to just... and basically like

24:20

just eat what you want, get the calories in

24:23

and I've never been able to do that.

24:25

I've always felt really guilty about that. So

24:27

for the first time ever, I'm eating

24:29

a volume of food where I might put on a bit

24:31

of muscle or at least retain weight and even despite that,

24:34

I've lost nearly

24:36

eight kilos and I wasn't

24:39

fat to start. So what are you weighing in

24:41

at the moment? Stone wise? 80

24:44

kilos. Which for someone at

24:46

six foot three, it's light. I imagine I'll be fighting in

24:48

the high 70. How seriously are you taking

24:56

this? I'm training like a world champion. Okay. Training

24:58

like a world champion. Ask him. I'm a psycho

25:00

trainer. And what about your mind? No one trains

25:02

harder than that. And what about your mindset? I've

25:05

already won the fight. I already worked

25:07

out how to win the fight. I've

25:09

already won the fight and the way

25:11

he wins the fight is a what

25:13

you call in boxing a punches chance.

25:15

A big windmill. Yeah, exactly because he

25:17

can't outspeed me. He already knows it.

25:19

He can't out technique me. He

25:22

already knows it. He can't out fitness me. So

25:24

if you can't do all those, what can you do?

25:26

You've got, you've got to go for the knock. He might have

25:28

a good right hander though. I'm not saying he's not. You've got

25:30

to be careful. Not saying he's not. That's what a punches chance

25:32

is. So I've already gone

25:36

to that place in my mind where what if

25:38

he cleans me out with one of those? Okay.

25:41

And I've already been there. I went there 20

25:43

weeks ago. What are you, if he

25:45

knocks you out clean, what's gone through your mind? I've

25:47

raised 130 grand for charity. It just so happens that I

25:50

had to give it to a hundred grand to his charity.

25:52

I have got fitter than I've

25:54

ever been. My lifestyle

25:56

in every way is really good. I

25:58

stood in the ring. most

26:00

people just

26:03

getting in the ring and having a fight because

26:05

when people say white collar it's almost I know

26:07

you didn't but a lot of people are white

26:09

collar you can't turn your nose no anyone can

26:11

get in the ring is is hard caught and

26:13

and also when the last time you had a

26:16

street fight I've never had a street okay when

26:18

the last time you had a fight like

26:20

a proper fight I've never had a proper fight

26:23

okay so this is your first yeah fight you

26:25

never had a fight on a rugby pitch or

26:27

any oh no I'm the people pleaser okay I'm

26:29

the one splitting the fight up I'm

26:32

a loving old fighter you're going straight in

26:34

and how big Samuel Lee he started at

26:36

118 kilos started

26:39

what's he weighing in at the moment? I don't

26:41

know it's difficult to say he's

26:43

just he's just good at playing games he

26:45

posted a photo photo recently of him looking

26:47

in quite good shape but it was an

26:49

old photo of way back when and everyone

26:51

was so I don't I don't

26:53

know and I don't care maybe I'm gonna

26:56

guess 105

26:58

and you're coming in 80 and what what height

27:00

is it you're six foot two six foot three six

27:02

three six foot six foot

27:04

okay he might come in at two three

27:06

stone heavy than you hmm how

27:10

quick are your hands quicker than his I

27:13

like it so tell me the head tell me the date of

27:15

the file July the first and whereabouts

27:18

it is Brentwood is it

27:20

Essex Brentwood Essex we're

27:23

pretty much now sold out the

27:25

main sports venue there there's

27:27

a handful of tickets left I think

27:29

she's not bad you've got matrym sports

27:31

Eddie herd involved no no no

27:34

we're just doing

27:36

it ourselves we're up there last week

27:38

in fact weren't we off in Britain with the

27:40

boys up there so I've put myself in some

27:42

uncomfortable positions in training to try and mimic how

27:44

I might feel yeah if you don't mind I

27:46

won't talk about those because I don't want to

27:49

get any advantage knowing what I'm up to but

27:51

believe you me I've gone to places and put

27:53

myself in uncomfortable situations to prepare myself I've spoken

27:55

in front of thousands of people on a regular

27:57

basis as a public speaker anyway so yeah I

28:00

I could the thing is if I

28:02

get an adrenaline dump and it halves

28:04

my speed and my fitness Well, if mine's

28:06

ten times better than him, I'm still at

28:09

an advantage And if he does it to

28:11

me, it'll do it to him. Hmm

28:13

while we're unboxing Tell me about you

28:15

interviewing Chris Eubank senior. Yeah,

28:18

so that was the most bizarre

28:22

awkward I

28:25

remember at university Whenever my mates

28:27

used to throw up Everyone would

28:29

make an announcement and go and watch the person

28:31

throw up stand in a circle and watch and

28:33

it was Oh, and then you

28:35

have to look and me interviewing Chris

28:37

Eubank was like that It was so

28:40

awkward and so tense, but it made

28:42

it compelling viewing. Yeah Yeah,

28:44

it was it who set up Shah Shah

28:47

said where was it? No. No, she didn't set

28:49

it up We

28:51

did it. Yeah, we did it ourselves,

28:53

but Shah You know, she

28:55

knows and she's friends with him and on the day it

28:58

ended up happening five hours after it was booked

29:00

in He Chris was just

29:02

all over the place and we were going through his agent

29:04

and then him and then in the end I was with

29:06

Shah that day and Shah's just like look, let me just

29:08

call him and and she hustled

29:10

and in the end We found

29:12

somewhere. Where is it? We did it Soho House was

29:14

it? Yeah, it was

29:16

a fuck. Yeah random ass place as Harry.

29:19

I remember seeing it and I'm like, oh my

29:21

god I remember seeing the interview

29:24

going. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah,

29:26

that's what it was because he put you under pressure at time Yeah,

29:28

I really enjoyed it. Yeah. No, I'll get but he put you under

29:30

pressure and then you were like, this is odd Everything

29:33

was odd about it. Yeah, was he in a

29:35

good mental state? You think it's difficult

29:37

to know I'm not a

29:39

mental health expert. It wasn't really

29:41

my place to say because number

29:44

one I think he's he

29:46

openly smokes weed and I

29:49

could definitely smell it can't say I

29:51

saw him have a joint but I can say I

29:54

smelled him. So there's that How

29:57

he's been punched in the head a million times

30:00

So just those two things could make

30:02

someone slow, eccentric.

30:06

And he just lost his boy? There you

30:08

go, and that. So

30:10

I'm not close to him to

30:12

know what his mental health

30:14

is really like, but. You must have sensed

30:16

though, like we're all watching that, we all

30:19

sensed, and there was a lot of controversy

30:21

around that. You must have sensed something when

30:23

you're in there. Well,

30:26

that's a bit like you saying to me, when

30:29

I finished my fight, Rob, just recount the

30:31

last three two minute rounds, exactly what happened,

30:33

I won't remember. It's

30:35

what everyone says about having done it. I was

30:37

in there, we're doing it, I'm like, like

30:40

it was, there was shock or surprise,

30:42

what the fuck? Am I really here?

30:44

Pinch myself, over gone. Yeah. So

30:46

no, you don't get that. So there was no setup, was

30:49

there? It was on a couch, on a couch, let's go

30:51

filming, the cameras are on, let's go. Yeah. And it was,

30:53

but. No, there was no real, I wasn't in the middle

30:55

of it thinking, fuck, I

30:57

don't think he's very well, and there's gonna be a

30:59

major backlash from this. We never once did

31:02

I have that, because you're just in it. You don't

31:04

really know, and you don't know how it's gonna be

31:06

received. And of course, you know,

31:08

you're an interviewer. So you wanna be in the conversation, but

31:10

you've also gotta be in your head about the next question.

31:13

And so you're not, sometimes you're

31:15

thinking about the next question as opposed to listening

31:17

to the answer. So it's all just like a

31:19

great big fricking whirlwind. Woo! But

31:23

it's his manager and

31:25

his family's responsibility. So

31:28

I don't usually pay for guests, but

31:30

I paid for Chris Eubank. How much did

31:32

you pay him? I'll keep that confidential,

31:34

I think it's the right thing to do. But

31:37

it went through his manager. So it's his manager's

31:39

responsibility. Roughly how much did you pay him? Because

31:41

he's got, everyone's got a number on them. Everyone's

31:43

got a figure on them. No,

31:46

I'm not gonna say that, I think it's right. Yeah.

31:50

I didn't think you were a butler. That

31:57

is a judgmental thing to say. Just

32:01

because I respect someone's

32:04

confidentiality who doesn't make

32:06

me a brother. Your confidentiality. It could

32:08

be mine, it could be Chris Eubank's.

32:11

I mean, you're just, we're going down

32:13

the road of Chris' mental health and

32:16

now you're talking about the fee. I wanna

32:18

know how much you paid him. I'll tell

32:20

you off air as a

32:23

friend. Okay, north. I'll tell you

32:25

off air as a friend. North of 10 grand? Are

32:28

you happy with me? I normally

32:30

just blur everything out. This

32:32

is the second thing on a podcast I've declined

32:34

to say. I actually feel really good about that

32:37

because the two reasons I'm not telling you

32:40

are for protection of others. So

32:43

I'm pleased with myself.

32:45

I'm not telling you, but I will tell you off air

32:47

if you just keep it discreet. Did

32:49

you enjoy the interview? I fucking

32:51

loved it. What I loved about it

32:54

was, it's a

32:56

bit like your hardest spar or

32:59

your toughest experience in business. I

33:03

just felt like I grew as an interviewer like that

33:05

overnight because we all wanna get

33:07

on with our guests. But

33:10

actually the ones you grow through, you

33:14

could put Donald Trump there and I know I could

33:16

match him up. Put Piers Morgan

33:18

there, I know I could match him

33:20

up. But before Chris Eubank, maybe not.

33:24

But I counted. She learned a lot. Yeah. Because

33:26

you've gotta be in there and you've gotta feel it. When

33:30

you're there and you're like, fuck, this is

33:32

awkward. And you sit there and

33:34

you smile. Because he didn't, it

33:37

wasn't just awkward, it was weird. It

33:40

was weird at times, didn't it? You didn't

33:42

know this. I'll tell you this. When we

33:45

sat down, I started talking to him and he branked me.

33:48

And you know you normally have a bit of

33:50

chat before. He just branked me and would not

33:52

talk to me. And here's the thing, we couldn't

33:54

work out. At

33:57

times it was clear, because he said some things,

33:59

that he's. doing it for

34:01

the show and the persona of Chris Eubank and

34:03

to put really good content out there. And

34:06

then at times it was like, is he doing this

34:09

because he's not

34:11

sharp in his mind or, it

34:14

was always, it was really difficult to work out which,

34:17

it was like in and out of different characters. But

34:20

imagine sitting here, you know, you had to do a

34:22

bit of messing around to get this thing started, and

34:25

you start conversing with me and I just sit there

34:27

like that. And I don't even acknowledge you. And

34:30

just growl. I mean. Mate,

34:33

what was the growling he was doing? I remember seeing it.

34:36

Were you thinking, what was going for your mind when

34:38

he was growling here? Honestly,

34:41

within minutes, I

34:43

just thought this is gonna be

34:45

the best podcast interview I've ever done

34:48

because it was just so different. And

34:50

if you are, would I rather have a really

34:52

nice, but tame

34:55

conversation or a fucking awkward, sticky, like

34:57

get me the fuck out of here,

34:59

but I'm staying. I'll take that one.

35:03

All day long. Yeah, because one, that's

35:05

what everyone talks about. And you grow. Yeah,

35:08

I grew as a guest, as an interviewer.

35:10

Tell me about your world. You've jumped on

35:12

the podcast in the UK really early. When

35:14

was your first episode of your podcast?

35:17

Seven and a half years ago. Seven and a half

35:19

years ago. Is it seven, is that right? Yeah, it's

35:21

called Disruptors now. Oh, you've changed it, haven't you? Of

35:23

course you have. Yeah. Why did you, so

35:26

seven and a half years ago you started. Yeah. You've

35:29

done how many episodes? Nearly a thousand,

35:31

is it? Between both podcasts over

35:33

there. Okay, so I have a podcast called Money. So

35:36

yeah, between them, just the disruptive

35:38

ones. Just under a thousand episodes.

35:41

Yeah, so not many people have done more than that.

35:43

What did you see before

35:46

everyone else about the podcasting

35:48

world? Because I only

35:50

found podcasting really two and a half years ago in lockdown. That's

35:52

when we set up our one. Yeah. I'll

35:54

podcast in, let's give it a go. I did nothing about podcasts.

35:56

Half the, 90% of the UK didn't know anything about

35:59

podcasts when we started. Now over the last couple of

36:01

years everyone's jumping on it. What did you

36:03

see seven years ago? An

36:07

opportunity to reach more people. An

36:10

opportunity to have really interesting conversations which I love to

36:12

do. And

36:17

I was a fan of podcasts. But

36:19

where do you see that? Do you see it from America? Yeah,

36:21

I mean all the podcasts I listened to before I

36:23

started my own, i.e. nine years ago, they

36:27

were all American. I couldn't remember. I

36:29

would have probably been one of the first Brits I would have thought. Yeah,

36:31

I would have thought so. Back then. Yeah, they

36:33

were nearly all American. Joe Rogan, Tim

36:35

Ferriss, you know those kind of people. Yeah, yeah,

36:38

yeah. And what have you seen, have you seen

36:40

the podcasting world grow over the seven years? And

36:42

when have you seen the biggest trajectory? We've

36:49

never had a moment

36:52

of exponential growth. It's been steady

36:55

growth. Unless we

36:57

get a wild guest and then we get a

36:59

spike. Like Andrew Tate, Jordan

37:01

Peterson and David Icke. Normally

37:04

for us it's the more controversial ones

37:06

that get the biggest pfft. And

37:10

so we have these moments where you

37:12

get 10 million

37:15

downloads and views in 48 hours. And

37:18

you get 35,000 new followers in a

37:21

week. And those

37:23

happen X number

37:25

of times per year and all the other times

37:27

it's just slow and steady. Weirdly,

37:31

it was probably easier to get guests

37:33

five years ago than it is now.

37:35

And I wish I'd have known. Because

37:38

I thought as we get bigger

37:40

and better, it will be easier

37:43

to get guests. And what

37:45

we found is because

37:47

there's a lot more podcasts and

37:49

media is changing, people are

37:51

being very selective. So people

37:54

we would have bagged are like, oh, when

37:56

we do our next round of promotion or

37:58

when we launch our next

38:01

book or when we're next in the UK

38:03

we get a load of that now whereas

38:05

we'd have just got it

38:07

before so that

38:09

the space has definitely changed in that

38:12

regard. How

38:14

did you get

38:16

Andrew Tate? One

38:20

of my PAs messaged

38:23

him, well actually one of

38:25

my PAs got in touch with his

38:27

agent and

38:29

they were ding-dong back and forth for ages

38:32

and then we got a message going we're

38:34

in Dubai, come out

38:38

next week so

38:40

we just flew out to Dubai. You flew

38:42

out to Dubai? Yeah. Why

38:44

would you want to

38:47

do that? Because

38:51

Andrew Tate at the time was god tier. Maybe

38:56

Donald Trump would have been a bigger guest. You

39:00

could count 10 people in

39:03

terms of the potential for

39:06

growth alive that might

39:08

have been bigger than Andrew Tate at that time. I

39:10

don't even know if I could think of, like

39:13

if I said to Harry would you

39:15

rather have Andrew Tate or on a

39:17

listed off all these A-listers he'd be

39:19

saying Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate,

39:21

Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate. At the time,

39:24

different now because we've done that and we've

39:26

had the ups and the downs of that

39:28

but at the time it was like

39:31

we'd have flown to Timbuktu to

39:33

get it done. What have

39:36

been the ups and what have been the

39:38

downs of having Andrew Tate on your podcast?

39:40

So the ups are wild virality in the

39:42

first week it was just blowing up everywhere

39:45

and then the downs are then

39:48

the ongoing fall

39:50

out of that like and

39:53

I'm not talking about opinion because as far

39:56

as I'm concerned as a

39:58

podcast host these

40:01

are the opinions of my guests. And

40:03

if people are going to lambast

40:06

me for the opinion

40:08

of my guests, they

40:10

need to check themselves and have

40:14

a real think about their judgment.

40:19

So I don't care about opinion.

40:22

I care about feedback and

40:24

I'll listen to feedback. But nonsense

40:26

opinion doesn't do

40:29

anything for me. But we got

40:31

our YouTube account, Shadowband. We had

40:33

endless videos taken down

40:35

from YouTube and TikTok. And both,

40:38

like our TikTok at one point was just

40:40

going wild. It's just flat line now. Our

40:43

YouTube's a bit of a graft and a

40:45

grind. It seems like on every

40:47

channel, we raced a quarter of a million

40:49

followers and then just something fucking happened. And

40:53

our Andrew Tate era,

40:55

because we went Andrew Tate, Katie Hopkins, Chris Hu

40:57

Bank, Bank, Bank, Bank. That's

41:00

three beginnings. Yeah, that two weeks,

41:03

we were, Harry's little saying

41:06

is, let's get bigger than Jesus. And

41:08

we were bigger than Jesus in

41:11

those few weeks. And then bang,

41:13

everything started getting taken away because

41:15

they are controversial. So

41:18

we're now in the middle of rethinking, do

41:20

we chase those kind of people or do we

41:23

play a bit of a longer game? But

41:26

whoever it is, I'll try and drive

41:28

an interesting conversation. And normally an interesting

41:31

conversation is more interesting with an interesting

41:33

person. Absolutely. And not a vanilla person.

41:36

I like real people. People

41:38

say to me, get more celebrities. I

41:40

want real people with real stories. Yeah.

41:42

But this is a great, don't get me wrong. The

41:45

difficulty with that though, is you

41:47

don't know what a real conversation is until you've had it.

41:49

Until you've had it, agree. Yeah.

41:52

What did you like about Andrew Tate? What

41:55

I did like about Andrew Tate, I still like

41:57

about Andrew Tate. I like his...

42:00

you are responsible attitude.

42:04

I like his, the

42:07

way he hacked social media to his advantage

42:11

is like if you want a

42:13

case study. That's genius, isn't it? Yeah. I

42:15

like it, I agree. And you can hate

42:18

him and you can disagree

42:20

with him but you can't deny that. Also,

42:22

I judge people on

42:25

my experiences with them. And

42:28

when we went out to meet Andrew,

42:30

he was 25 minutes

42:32

early, bearing in mind Chris

42:35

Eubank was five hours late. And

42:40

we got three and a half hours out of him

42:42

with no like, For them. And

42:46

really nice to my team that were out there and

42:49

we stayed in touch. And he helped

42:52

a bit with pushing the podcast

42:54

out there. And

42:59

he was good to deal with. And there's

43:02

plenty of people in

43:04

the celebrity interview world that

43:06

are a pain in the arm to deal with. And

43:09

we've had so many guests that have

43:11

bailed like five and six and seven

43:13

times. One of them is

43:15

on your board there, I won't mention their name. And

43:18

you're like, for fuck's sake. If

43:21

you say yes, do it. If you don't wanna do

43:23

it, say no. Just let me know. All good. But

43:26

the amount of fuckery

43:29

that goes on. But look, I'm also not bitter because

43:31

this is people. And at the end of the day,

43:33

if they saw me as important enough, they wouldn't. And

43:35

if they do seem as important, they

43:37

would. I'm fine with it. But

43:40

I interviewed Jake Paul and

43:43

obviously he's massive. And the

43:45

first time he just didn't turn up. Where

43:48

did you interview him? It was on Zoom.

43:50

Zoom, okay. I hate Zoom. I hate Zoom.

43:52

But you take it. Well, I hate Zoom.

43:54

But if Donald Trump's on Zoom or nothing,

43:56

I'll do Zoom. It's one of those. and

44:00

it just didn't

44:02

turn up for the first one. What,

44:04

so who organised it? You organised it? His assistant. His

44:06

assistant said, well we're on, 100% and

44:08

he just didn't turn up. You're sitting there with the computer open.

44:10

Yeah, and his assistant didn't even know where he was. That

44:13

was experience number one. And then the second

44:15

time he turned up really late. And

44:17

then it was like this. And

44:21

the first thing he said was, so how long is

44:23

this? Oh man. And I went, we've

44:26

got it scheduled for an hour and he went, ah, what?

44:28

An hour, I know. Like

44:31

if that was the first, and I'm like, okay

44:33

maybe we're getting done in 40. If

44:35

I was interviewing him now and he said that, I'd

44:38

be like, you've agreed an hour. Yeah, or off-ski. So

44:40

yeah, so yeah. Did

44:42

you have to pay Jake Paul? I'll

44:46

tell you afterwards. Did you have

44:48

to pay Jake Paul, yes or no? Why

44:50

are you bothered about that? Because I want to know. Well

44:53

if you want to know, why don't you ask me off it and respect the

44:55

fact that I don't want to say it on it. I'm

44:58

asking how much, I'm asking you, did you pay him?

45:00

Yeah, but you still haven't answered my question. And I'm

45:02

allowed to be the interviewer as well. Why are you

45:04

so bothered about asking me if I paid for Jake

45:06

Paul on your podcast? Because I'm interested to see how

45:09

much it means to you to have him on your

45:11

podcast. And Harry,

45:14

should I answer this or not? What do you think? Why

45:18

don't you say, can we, we'll be used again?

45:22

No, I didn't pay him. So

45:25

for this whole conversation here, obviously

45:27

it sounds like you did pay him. I won't ask

45:29

you how much. No, I just said no, I didn't

45:32

pay him. Yeah, I won't ask you how much. Do

45:34

you think I'm lying then? No, I believe you. No,

45:37

I didn't. I believe you. I didn't pay him.

45:39

I believe you. You didn't pay him, I

45:41

respect that. Yeah, but

45:43

have I paid people, yes. Who have

45:45

you paid? Right,

45:52

I'm gonna take control of this. Mate,

45:54

this is my podcast. Yeah,

45:58

I love it. Do you enjoy paying people? Let's just

46:00

soften this. Do you enjoy paying people?

46:02

Obviously you'd rather have them for free,

46:05

but do you think it's worth paying

46:07

people just for the knock on effect

46:09

of Instagram, YouTube,

46:11

your podcast on Spotify and

46:13

Apple, so as your

46:15

profile, as their profile is a big

46:18

profile, your profile's raising with it. Is

46:20

that how you see it? Have you ever

46:22

paid a guest? No. Never. Never. So I

46:24

think you've got some personal motives for asking

46:27

this, which is absolutely, absolutely fine. And remember,

46:29

I freestyle all my podcasts. Nothing's pre-planned it.

46:31

It's just you and I having a coffee.

46:34

So I'm gonna give you some context,

46:36

because I think it's important. If I

46:39

tell you everyone I've

46:41

paid, it might

46:43

make it hard for me to get future

46:45

guests without saying, well, Rob will

46:47

put 10, 20, 30, so

46:51

I reserve the right to answer

46:54

the question how I want. I

46:57

know someone, and I won't mention their name because

46:59

I'm not that kind of guy. I know someone

47:02

who keeps saying he doesn't pay podcast guests,

47:04

and I know for a fact he does.

47:06

And part of me thinks you're lying little toad,

47:09

and part of me thinks I

47:11

respect your right to not disclose that because

47:13

you are well known and everyone will want

47:16

a nice 20 off you. And

47:19

then you just painted yourself into a

47:21

corner for no reason. So context, 95%

47:23

of my guests, would

47:25

that be about right, Harry? We have not

47:27

paid, we've got them for free. Five,

47:31

let's even say 10%, it's no more

47:33

we have paid. Why would I pay?

47:35

To speed it up. Or

47:38

to get someone I otherwise

47:40

wouldn't get. So

47:42

sometimes I've got a guest, and I know

47:44

we'll get them in a year, because we're talking and it's

47:46

agreed, but it's a year and I want it next week.

47:49

So I offer to pay. And that

47:52

might be because we've got a low bank. We

47:54

haven't got a lot of content. So

47:57

that's reason number one. Like, would I pay

47:59

Donald? Trump to get him on my show if I

48:01

couldn't get him on my show unless I paid him fuck

48:04

yes I would and I bet you fucking would too would

48:07

you? No I would. I bet you would. So

48:09

there's an affordable amount of money to get Donald

48:11

Trump and there's a signed in NDA you would.

48:14

I promise you I would not pay Donald Trump

48:16

to on the show. Okay all right then you

48:18

might not love him who would be your goat

48:20

guest to get on the show who'd be the best person

48:22

ever to get on this show other

48:26

than Rob

48:28

Moore. You'd know that. Who's

48:30

his goat? I would go a couple. I'd

48:32

go a few in fact. I've never thought

48:34

about it but now you've mentioned

48:37

it. I'd go Conor McGregor. I'd

48:39

go Joe Rogan and

48:42

I'd go Paolo De Canio. Okay cool.

48:44

Remember him? Yeah I do. Yeah colourful

48:47

guy. So someone

48:49

that messages you you can get Joe

48:51

Rogan on next week for X amount of money

48:53

is in the UK. He's only coming once. It's

48:56

X amount of money you can afford it. Do you do it or

48:58

not? How much? An amount you

49:00

can afford? No no no how much? Because

49:02

everyone's got a price. I'll do a lot of

49:04

gambling with my mate. I'm not a gambler but

49:07

I'm always there with my mates to do stuff.

49:09

My say in philosophy is everyone's got a price.

49:11

Okay 20. 20 bags you get Conor McGregor. Fuck

49:13

it. I mean that's a bargain. I actually

49:15

reached out to Conor to get him on the show. He

49:17

wanted half a million. Did

49:21

he? Yeah. Conor would be

49:23

great. Yeah. Conor is god to

49:25

you. Yeah. So let's say 20

49:27

because 20 you can get either Conor or Joe

49:29

yes or no. No.

49:34

Bullshit. No. Get

49:36

him from 20. I'll turn him down. I

49:39

don't believe you. I promise you. I

49:41

don't believe you. I promise you. Would

49:43

you try and talk him into. I

49:45

don't believe. I promise you I would

49:47

not pay 20 bags for

49:49

Joe Rogan or Conor McGregor. Well then

49:52

you're a. No. You're not taking your

49:54

podcasting seriously enough. Why? Because that's just

49:56

instant blow up. Yeah great. That's instant

49:58

virality. But for what? Well,

50:00

you meet the person, you get to know them...

50:02

I'm not paying 20 G's to meet someone for

50:04

an hour. Well, you're not rich enough then. Nothing

50:06

to do with money. Nothing to do with money.

50:09

Ten. Nothing to do with... Ten. Well...

50:16

I promise you, I would not

50:18

pay that money for someone

50:20

to come in here and talk to me for an hour. Well,

50:23

you might get two and a half. I mean,

50:25

Joe Rogan doesn't do hour conversations, does he? Yeah,

50:27

but even that, it's just... It just doesn't rock

50:29

my boat for that. Well, and then you get

50:31

to swap phone numbers afterwards and stay in touch,

50:33

because Joe's... Woofy-do! Woofy-do! I know a lot of

50:35

famous... It doesn't... I don't get excited by that.

50:37

I don't think... Oh, I've got Joe Rogan's mobile

50:39

and this is amazing, I'm all excited. It doesn't...

50:41

Okay, so... Alright, so why do you do the

50:43

podcast then? Because I love it. I love

50:46

chatting to cool people. I love the mad stories.

50:48

Yeah, so you're... I do the podcast because I

50:50

found something that... I own a festival, as you

50:52

know, and that's once a year. All

50:55

chips into that. I found something that I

50:57

absolutely adore doing. And so your top two

50:59

guests, you've got a chance to get them.

51:01

And I wouldn't pay them. I'm going to

51:03

assume that 10 or 20 is

51:06

not a huge amount of money for you. And you can put

51:08

it through the business and you've just

51:10

turned that down. I think you're an idiot. Yeah, I don't... But

51:13

we're different. No, let me finish. I

51:15

think you're an idiot for turning it

51:17

down. You're an idiot person. I think

51:19

you're a good person. I think that

51:21

would be a really dumb move to

51:23

turn down Connor or Joe Rogan for

51:25

20 grand. Personally. Because

51:28

the upside is just so potentially big.

51:30

How many people you've got working on

51:32

your personal brand? So

51:36

let's just explain your personal brand. It's your podcast. You'll

51:41

run more websites. What

51:43

else is there for people to work it on? All my

51:46

social media. How many full-timers have you

51:48

got on you? Probably.

51:51

Yeah, probably five or six. Okay. Yeah,

51:53

probably. And Stephen Bartlett's got 30 working on his... CEO?

52:01

Yeah, well, that's why. And

52:04

he's having the success that he's

52:07

having with that podcast, because

52:09

he is putting time, resource, energy

52:11

and money into it. And

52:14

it's just pretty much self-focus. I'm running a

52:16

20 plus million year training

52:18

business, 360 property, property portfolio,

52:21

I'm training off. Yeah, I'm training for a

52:23

fight. So for me, my podcast

52:25

is my little part

52:27

time hobby. And

52:31

you enjoy which I enjoy. And,

52:34

but yeah, he, I

52:36

that doesn't surprise me one bit. Yeah. And

52:38

a lot of people would be like, Wow,

52:41

I can't believe that. But if that's

52:43

obvious to me. Yeah,

52:45

because and, you know, he's

52:47

now built one of the top British personal

52:50

brands in the country because

52:52

of that. And he's done

52:55

phenomenally well. Phenomenally

52:57

well, isn't he? Yeah, that's off

52:59

to him. Yeah, I always do like

53:02

him. Do you like these persona? Well,

53:05

they're two different questions. Yeah, that's two questions

53:07

for you. Yeah. And so I

53:11

interviewed Stephen. And he

53:15

was like, Yeah, this has been great. We've gotten really worried. He's

53:17

like, you got to come on my show. And

53:20

then just

53:22

went off into the oblivion. And

53:25

I think if

53:27

you say something, you should mean it. And if you

53:29

say something, you should do it. But

53:33

can I judge him for that? When, you know,

53:36

I'm not as a lister as some

53:38

of his guests. And

53:41

have I said something to someone in the

53:43

past and they're not delivered? Absolutely. What I

53:45

was saying about human traits. So

53:47

I can't really get on my high horse and judge

53:50

him for that because I'm not

53:52

a perfect human. But I

53:54

told you my experience with Andrew Tate and what it

53:57

was and my experience with with

53:59

Steve. wasn't,

54:02

he and we were fine and we chatted and it

54:04

was everything was big double we're going to do he

54:07

was I was going to go on his show and

54:09

blah blah blah and then you know Stonewall ghosting and

54:11

whatever else and just dealing with his team wasn't

54:14

the best but you know

54:17

maybe he had bigger fish to fry I don't know and

54:20

that's my only personal

54:23

experience with him in terms

54:25

of so that's all I can

54:27

say don't know him well enough to judge and

54:29

I would only judge when I knew someone well

54:31

enough in terms of his persona there's

54:37

one thing I know is bullshit and I'm not gonna

54:39

say what it is everything

54:42

else I think you know he's built

54:46

a great brand yeah

54:48

he has figured out a way to

54:50

get people emotional on

54:52

his show and I know

54:54

he knows that that makes

54:57

it viral he's

54:59

got the right guest

55:01

at the right time because we've got in

55:03

the past the right guest at the wrong

55:05

time and have an effect yeah

55:08

they're right I mean he for example

55:10

Molly Mae perfect time and

55:14

you know like the

55:16

guy's a good marketer yeah very and

55:19

and I'm not yeah so

55:21

there's those two little blots little

55:26

flies in the ointment but for

55:29

me they're small I'm certainly not

55:31

going to criticize him publicly because

55:33

I like to celebrate successes and

55:35

he's been very intentional he's got

55:37

a clear strategy he's come into a space

55:39

and he's worked out or I'm going all

55:41

in spending masses of

55:43

money on equipment you

55:45

know you could you don't need that those

55:47

kind of cameras you don't need that kind

55:49

of studio well he's got the money to

55:51

do it why not yeah good luck to

55:53

him yeah and like if

55:56

he plays it smart he's

55:59

going to Be able to feast

56:01

off that for the rest of his life There was that

56:03

issue wasn't there in the media with him and the value

56:05

of his company and what he'd made out and all that

56:07

But as far as I see Anyone

56:09

who's successful the media is going to come for you at

56:11

one point and I don't know the truth behind that What

56:14

was it? He sold out for 200 mil, but he took 40

56:16

mil. I have no idea And

56:19

apparently yes, isn't it? Yeah, unless you

56:21

I was gonna say unless you asked him you don't

56:23

know but People don't always tell the

56:25

truth. Yeah, so you maybe you would never know But

56:29

when I saw that I thought I don't know

56:31

the truth. There could be some exaggeration in there

56:33

He wouldn't be the first or the last marketer

56:35

to exaggerate but All

56:38

that's happening is the media are taking their turn

56:40

on him. Yeah, like they will everyone

56:42

What would you change about the way

56:45

the government attacks in us businesses and

56:47

entrepreneurs right now flat rate? Because

56:49

at the moment we're getting taxed on turnover

56:53

Surely it's just be just purely should

56:55

be taxed on your profit with

56:58

that business rates national insurance

57:00

everything else as a business owner we've got

57:03

to pay constantly and Let's

57:05

say in 70% of businesses do not earn money out

57:07

there 70% of business don't

57:09

earn profit at the moment. I'm guessing we're after this year.

57:11

It's gonna be a lot more imagine. Yeah, so What

57:14

you've said I would love but it's not realistic.

57:16

Okay, I would give me the give me the

57:19

perfect Rob Scenario

57:21

if you ran this country for entrepreneurial

57:23

business startups Okay, so as much as

57:25

I would love for us only to

57:27

be taxed on profit You just said

57:30

most companies don't make any profit therefore

57:32

the country wouldn't generate generate

57:34

any revenue Yeah, but then you

57:36

could argue yeah, but if they weren't taxed so much

57:38

they could make more profits Yeah, they're very vicious cycle,

57:41

but they're never going to make enough money out

57:43

of profit unless they helped us make profit

57:45

So that's that's unrealistic. Yeah, and

57:48

I think number one should be a flat rate I E

57:54

20% 25% at the moment. It's

57:56

VAT Corp tax income. I say

57:58

national insurance And

58:00

it gets confusing. If you're

58:02

new to contributions, business rates, there's

58:04

a load of things that aren't

58:06

called tax, that are a tax.

58:09

National insurance is a tax, business rates

58:11

is a tax. So you

58:14

can't polish a turd and they're trying to

58:16

call the turd something else. It's not, it's

58:18

still a fucking tax. And

58:20

there's more and more of these and they think

58:22

we're fucking stupid enough to, oh, that's not a

58:25

tax, that's a national insurance contribution. That

58:27

goes to X, still a fucking tax. So if

58:29

you're adding up what they're doing now and put it under

58:31

a flat rate, what percent would that be? Well, I mean, I'd

58:33

love it to be low, wouldn't I? But not for you. I'd

58:35

buy it as well. I'd love it to be low. But what

58:37

is it that sits at the moment? Employees,

58:41

national insurance. Oh, it goes on.

58:44

Twenty percent plus fifty seven. Fifty seven percent. Yeah.

58:46

About that. Yeah. And that's not what you buy.

58:48

That's just what you generate in revenue. And then

58:50

everything you buy, this tax on on

58:53

top of that, on top of that. Yeah. And back on

58:55

everything you buy. But you can't claw that back. You can't

58:57

claim that back. Yeah. Yeah. On various

58:59

goods and services and food and things

59:01

like that. So I

59:03

reckon you're paying about 70 percent

59:06

tax in everything you earn and everything you

59:09

buy. How is that fair? How

59:11

is that fair? Wrong in there. Yeah. So let's

59:13

be kind and say it's 50 50. Yeah. Even if

59:16

it is, you're working 25 hours

59:18

a week for yourself and 25 hours

59:20

a week for the government. And there's

59:22

fucking potholes and the NHS is fucked.

59:24

And you know, they're putting

59:26

us in lockdown and it's

59:29

just it's just all

59:31

wrong. So number one, it would be a

59:33

flat rate because give me a number. What

59:35

percent of that flat rate depends roughly. It depends

59:37

if we think if we can get a little

59:39

bit out of the super rich, it might be

59:41

out of the 20, 25 percent. So

59:44

at the moment, people don't understand the

59:46

difference between rich and super rich. So

59:48

super rich is Google, Amazon,

59:51

Facebook, billionaires. Yeah. And they

59:53

pay 4 percent

59:55

Corp tax. You

59:57

pay now 25 percent Corp.

1:00:00

taxes what is going on when it was 19. You're

1:00:02

rich, they're super rich. And it was like, oh,

1:00:04

tax the rich. No, no, no, no, no, tax

1:00:06

the super rich. Because would it be fair

1:00:08

if, okay, look, the super rich,

1:00:10

they've got good accountants, they should be rewarded

1:00:12

for creativity. Yes, they bring in thousands of

1:00:15

jobs, but we do as well, all of

1:00:17

us smaller ones. But if they just paid

1:00:19

8% corp tax, not

1:00:21

4, that would

1:00:23

generate trillions probably. What's an

1:00:26

extra 4% of the turnover

1:00:28

of all the biggest companies in this

1:00:30

country is trillions. So what

1:00:32

I'd like to see happen is just a

1:00:34

little bit of a little percentage of that trickle

1:00:36

down, which would be trillions, which means we can

1:00:39

soften the blow on the small entrepreneurs, because the

1:00:41

small entrepreneurs actually generate a lot of the economy,

1:00:43

I think it's 90% of the

1:00:45

economy. So but

1:00:49

realistically, these

1:00:52

super rich funding election

1:00:55

campaigns, and probably

1:00:57

making big donations and therefore driving

1:01:00

policy and they have a lot

1:01:02

of power. And it would be

1:01:04

very easy for me to say, well, I would never do that.

1:01:06

But if I had a hundred billion

1:01:08

company, and I could influence policy to the

1:01:10

advantage of my company, and I could get

1:01:13

my corp tax down, I'd get my corp

1:01:15

tax down to 4% if I could. So

1:01:19

it's human nature, but yeah, a

1:01:21

bit of the super rich, flat

1:01:24

rate, and I'd incentivize and reward entrepreneurs. So

1:01:26

let's say you're starting a business, I'm going to give you

1:01:28

six or 12 months, no business rates, and you're going to

1:01:30

get to a certain level, then I'm going to give you

1:01:32

business rate. And I'm going to have a few like loans

1:01:36

and grants that you can go and get, which

1:01:38

might be funded like you. So I for example, if the

1:01:40

government came to me and said, Look, we want to fund

1:01:42

a load of startups, you've got the Rob Moore Foundation, would

1:01:44

you donate 10,000 pounds from the Rob Moore Foundation or 100,000

1:01:46

pounds to the government fund,

1:01:49

and we're going to put that into entrepreneurs, and we're going

1:01:51

to get rid of their business rates, we're going to reduce

1:01:53

their taxes till they get to a certain point, I'd do

1:01:55

that. So entrepreneurs helping entrepreneurs, but the government have got to

1:01:57

start that process and want to help entrepreneurs and they don't.

1:02:01

They know that we're

1:02:04

an easy political win for them because

1:02:06

most of the population don't like entrepreneurs and

1:02:09

rich people. So we're not a vote.

1:02:11

We're not a vote that counts. We're too small a vote.

1:02:14

So if they go against

1:02:16

us, that's good for their voting. And

1:02:19

they don't understand how to grow an economy. If

1:02:23

you've got one tree

1:02:26

that bears fruit and you cut the tree

1:02:28

down for the wood, you can do that once. And

1:02:31

that's what the government

1:02:33

are doing with the economy. They're ruining

1:02:36

it by increasing taxes here, there, and

1:02:38

everywhere and increasing debt. Instead

1:02:40

of thinking, okay, how can we drive

1:02:42

innovation? How can we drive growth? How

1:02:45

can we encourage people to come back to

1:02:47

work instead of work from home? But

1:02:50

they would never understand because they're not entrepreneurs. They

1:02:52

don't run a real economy. A real economy has

1:02:54

to have a profit and loss, and it has

1:02:56

to have a positive balance sheet, and it has

1:02:58

to be solvent. Your company will

1:03:00

be solvent. It will make a profit. It

1:03:02

will have a balance sheet which has more

1:03:05

asset than liability. The government has more

1:03:07

liability than asset. It is trading insolvently, and they've

1:03:09

made it legal for them to do that, illegal

1:03:11

for us to do that. It's all fucking wrong.

1:03:14

It's all fucked. Rob,

1:03:17

where do you see your future, mate? So

1:03:21

I want to be in business

1:03:24

until I'm 100 and whatever, and

1:03:27

I don't want to stop. I've

1:03:30

semi-retired loads of times, and I just get

1:03:32

really bored and itchy within days. I'll

1:03:35

continue to buy property with my business partner, and we'll build that in

1:03:38

play. I'd like the training

1:03:40

business to maybe start

1:03:42

going into other English-speaking

1:03:44

countries. If

1:03:46

progressive property and progressive success were in

1:03:48

America, it would be 75 million, 100

1:03:51

million companies. But

1:03:54

we're in the UK and it's smaller, so maybe we

1:03:56

might look to go into these other countries. I'll keep

1:03:58

writing books. I'm writing

1:04:00

one and I've got my next two plans. How easy is

1:04:02

it to write now? It's

1:04:06

hard. Yeah. Yeah, it's

1:04:09

hard to write a book. It's harder to write

1:04:11

a good book. Yeah. And

1:04:15

you've written how many books? Wow.

1:04:19

Yeah. What's your favorite book of those 18? Probably

1:04:21

money, because it's my

1:04:23

favorite subject. And because it's one,

1:04:26

I like- Is that your favorite subject? If

1:04:28

you were at a wedding somewhere and someone was on the

1:04:30

table and there's load of couples, then someone started talking about

1:04:32

money, would you be all over that? Yeah. Okay.

1:04:35

Yeah, challenging their bullshit beliefs that they're

1:04:37

bought into from mainstream media and their

1:04:39

family and friends and the system and

1:04:41

the banks and the government, the

1:04:44

rhetoric. Yeah. Like,

1:04:46

a lot of people avoid- Talking

1:04:50

about money. Yeah, talking about money and

1:04:52

being honest about money. Because

1:04:54

you said you like holidays. Well, good holidays

1:04:56

are expensive. Especially if you've got kids. And

1:04:58

especially now with the cost of living in

1:05:01

inflation. So a really good holiday.

1:05:03

Because to have a really good holiday, not only

1:05:05

do you want to go somewhere nice, and I

1:05:08

won't project, but if anyone listening,

1:05:10

imagine your perfect holiday, it's probably not

1:05:12

the cheapest, shittiest, all inclusive one.

1:05:14

It's probably a nice one in a nice place and

1:05:16

a blah, blah, blah. Barbados for a month. There you

1:05:18

go. Here's the biggest cost. Taking a month

1:05:20

out of your business to be able to afford to do it.

1:05:24

People don't think about that. The cost of a holiday

1:05:26

might be 20 grand. But

1:05:28

for you to take a month off work is

1:05:31

your month's salary. Or- That's if

1:05:33

you're working for someone. It is. Or

1:05:35

if you're an entrepreneur, most entrepreneurs work for themselves.

1:05:37

You know, they have one staff

1:05:39

member, two staff member. You know, I

1:05:42

could go on holiday for a year, but most people haven't

1:05:44

built their business up to do that. So

1:05:47

that all takes money.

1:05:50

Because I think the thing with money is people

1:05:52

project judgment into it.

1:05:55

I.E. They get

1:05:58

emotional about it. a

1:06:00

hammer. You can take a hammer

1:06:02

and it's a good lever to knock a nail in

1:06:04

a piece of wood and you wouldn't think anything of

1:06:06

it. It's a good lever to pull a nail out

1:06:08

of a piece of wood better than your fingernails. You

1:06:11

can also use a hammer to smash someone's

1:06:13

skull in but let's say

1:06:15

someone took a hammer and murdered someone.

1:06:17

The hammer isn't on trial it's

1:06:20

just a tool. What's on trial

1:06:22

is the human who used that

1:06:24

tool for murder.

1:06:27

That's what money is. So money is a fuel,

1:06:29

it's a tool, it's

1:06:32

an enabler, an exaggerator, an accelerator

1:06:34

but it's just a tool and

1:06:37

people judge. There'll

1:06:40

be people listening to this podcast

1:06:42

that will judge me because I've

1:06:44

paid guests. I slightly

1:06:46

judged your business acumen for not

1:06:48

paying guests so there's all judgment

1:06:51

around money. It's the most emotive

1:06:54

subject yet in this country

1:06:56

it's the thing most people have got their

1:06:58

the handle on the least. Well

1:07:00

everything revolves around money. Yeah of course

1:07:02

it does. Every minute of every day

1:07:04

someone's working somewhere, someone's doing it. Everything

1:07:07

revolves around money. Why do

1:07:09

you think there is jealousy around money? Because

1:07:12

everyone wants it and no one will fucking admit it.

1:07:14

Yeah. Everyone wants a nicer

1:07:16

car but no one will fucking admit it. And you don't

1:07:18

have to want seven cars but you probably want a nice

1:07:20

one. So

1:07:22

it's like you bastard you've

1:07:25

got what I want but

1:07:27

I'm not brave enough and vulnerable

1:07:29

enough to admit that I

1:07:31

haven't done what it takes to get

1:07:33

what you've got and I'm not in

1:07:36

the student enough humility mindset

1:07:38

to go and learn from you instead

1:07:41

I'll just criticize you because when I

1:07:43

criticize you for being a greedy capitalist

1:07:45

bastard it makes me okay for fucking

1:07:47

my life up and you won't judge

1:07:49

me. And as you can tell I've

1:07:51

had some experience in this. Do

1:07:54

you think you've become a better

1:07:57

person earning more money? Money

1:08:01

has enabled my good traits.

1:08:04

So it's hard to be generous with

1:08:06

money when you're broke. Every

1:08:08

time I get a taxi, every time,

1:08:11

I always round it up to the nearest

1:08:13

20. So if it's four pound it's 20,

1:08:15

if it's 16 pounds it's 20, if it's

1:08:17

21 pounds it's 40. By the

1:08:19

way, I've never told anyone that. I do it all the time.

1:08:21

And giving a taxi driver a

1:08:23

tip the same as the fee always

1:08:26

makes their day. They love

1:08:28

it. They'll

1:08:30

do other things for you which I won't mention

1:08:32

on this podcast. What in the back of a

1:08:35

black car? No, it's not that. It's to do

1:08:37

with money. You dirty bastard. So

1:08:43

what money has enabled

1:08:45

me to do is it's

1:08:48

exaggerated my good traits. And

1:08:51

I try and resist it exaggerating

1:08:54

my dark traits. But it

1:08:56

tries. It

1:08:58

fucking tries. Greed. It's

1:09:01

there. So you're finding that the more money you've

1:09:03

got, the more generous you've become. Definitely. Well how

1:09:05

can you be generous when you're broke? The only

1:09:07

thing you can give is time. Now I know

1:09:09

time is valuable. But if you're

1:09:12

broke you haven't got the time to give. So

1:09:14

actually, one of the great... I gave someone

1:09:16

a 40 minute consultation session. A year's worth

1:09:19

of mentoring with me cost 50 grand. How

1:09:21

much? 50 grand. 50 grand. People

1:09:25

pay that. Unworth every penny. People pay that.

1:09:28

Why wouldn't they pay that? Not saying they won't, but

1:09:30

50 bags. And what do they get with you? They

1:09:33

get a year's worth of mentoring. And what's that? Once

1:09:35

a day? Once a week? Once a month? Once

1:09:38

an hour. Pitch to 10 outside

1:09:40

my house. So group master mining

1:09:45

at 25 grand. One to one at 50 grand. They

1:09:47

get access to me and all my knowledge experience of

1:09:49

17 years building a

1:09:51

150 plus million in

1:09:53

revenue. Probably biggest

1:09:55

private rental empire in Peterborough.

1:09:58

Author of 18. So they're buy

1:10:01

related books. Remember

1:10:03

I said that money buys speed. So

1:10:05

why would people invest that money? By the

1:10:07

way, I have maximum 50 clients. I'm

1:10:10

not interested in having a huge amount. Do you think

1:10:12

that 50G speeds them up rather than learning themselves? They

1:10:14

go, you come to me, pay the 50G and you're

1:10:16

going to be sped up by 5 years. Well, the

1:10:19

reason I can charge 50G and people pay me 50G

1:10:21

is because it speeds me up. And

1:10:23

if I could speed them up more, they'd pay me 100. And if I

1:10:25

could speed them up less, they'd pay me 20. Because

1:10:28

I wrote the formula for wealth. Wealth equals fair

1:10:30

exchange plus... Wealth

1:10:33

equals value plus fair exchange times

1:10:35

leverage. The new version will be

1:10:37

wealth equals perceived value plus fair

1:10:40

exchange times leverage. So I know

1:10:42

the formula for wealth. And

1:10:45

I know I give fair exchange for that

1:10:47

50 grand. And

1:10:49

how many 1s1s they get with you in that year?

1:10:52

Is it personal 1s1s or is it Zoom? It

1:10:55

can be whatever they want. If they want to come down

1:10:57

to my office and want to spend some time with me,

1:10:59

they can. I think we have

1:11:02

a minimum that they can get, which

1:11:05

is 8 Zooms, 8 1s1s,

1:11:08

and they get my mobile number. And they get access to me on

1:11:11

WhatsApp 24, 7, 365, which most people won't do. But

1:11:14

I quite like doing it. But then

1:11:16

yesterday, one of my staff members came

1:11:18

up to me and said, oh, this guy's a big fan of yours.

1:11:21

It was in the afternoon. He's a bit

1:11:23

lost on where he wants to go to be like a chat.

1:11:25

So I said, give me his number. I took my daughter to

1:11:27

Netball, was watching her. I just signed him up. And I gave

1:11:29

him 40 minutes of my time for free, and he was blown

1:11:32

away. And that's what money can buy

1:11:34

you the time to do things like that. Because otherwise, if I didn't

1:11:36

have any money, I'd have to be at work, and I wouldn't be

1:11:38

able to do that. And then I'd be at home

1:11:40

with my family, and I wouldn't be able to do that. And

1:11:42

I can take my daughter to Netball because I don't have to be at work. I

1:11:44

go in the office once. On average, I go in

1:11:46

the office less than a day a week. Yeah. Happy

1:11:49

days. Yeah. Yes,

1:11:51

that should be. Yeah,

1:11:53

people's businesses own them. Yeah. And

1:11:56

you want to try and own your business. But it's

1:11:59

not easy. But then nothing

1:12:01

worth it is you said he's writing books easy. It's

1:12:04

the wrong question You should

1:12:06

say is writing books hard. Yeah,

1:12:09

then I'll go and do it because surely

1:12:11

you want to do the hard things Do

1:12:13

you want to pick the easy exercises or the hard

1:12:15

exercises? Do you want to pick the easy spying partners

1:12:17

or the hard spying partners? Well, this is why I

1:12:20

was good if I wasn't good at writing I

1:12:23

don't want to I would want to make my life easier

1:12:25

Someone said to me does people have said does that we want to write a book

1:12:28

on you want to do this? Did you can you get a go? I want to

1:12:30

know where to start I've got so many

1:12:32

great stories about business and life and everything else. It

1:12:34

would make a good book I don't know where to

1:12:36

start. Do you just go in front of a

1:12:38

computer and so like this is the intro? This is the middle

1:12:40

bit. How does it how does that work? Yeah, there's different

1:12:42

ways to write a book You can write it in

1:12:45

your normal life. I try and dedicate

1:12:47

an hour a day to it and

1:12:49

write it You can

1:12:51

and bugger off abroad on a really expensive holiday

1:12:53

and write it while you're away and the more

1:12:56

expensive the holiday is the more Motivated you are

1:12:58

to write the book. Otherwise, it's a waste of

1:13:00

an expensive holiday. I've done both of those by

1:13:02

the way I prefer the latter. Yeah, because it's

1:13:04

accountability and you like holidays Yeah, and

1:13:07

then you can you can voice memo

1:13:10

So you could just take some time and just talk

1:13:12

like if someone struggling to write a book. Here's what

1:13:14

I recommend Come someone

1:13:16

write for you. Yeah, they can I'll come to that in a

1:13:18

minute I recommend you go for a

1:13:21

walk and just start expressing your

1:13:23

thoughts on voice memos Set up

1:13:25

your own little voice memo. What's that group between

1:13:27

yourself and just go on a walk and

1:13:29

just start Letting it

1:13:31

out because people never start I wrote

1:13:33

a book called start now get perfect

1:13:36

later because most people never start they

1:13:38

stop themselves before they start so

1:13:42

often just Talking it out.

1:13:44

Like if you hide a go-friter, they're gonna sit

1:13:46

you down. They're gonna get you to talk for

1:13:48

hours Yeah, but it's much easier. Well, I've said

1:13:50

right listen to episode one of eventful lives four

1:13:53

seven thirty eight fifty It's all in there. Yeah.

1:13:55

Yeah. Okay. So if you've already laid down most

1:13:58

of the content, yeah, that's what Stevens doing and

1:14:00

he's done a Tim Ferriss model where

1:14:02

he's launching a book, extracting

1:14:05

all the wisdom from his

1:14:07

podcast. Tim Ferriss was

1:14:09

the first person I saw do that with Tools

1:14:11

of Time. So that's a smart play, that's leverage.

1:14:14

Build one really big asset. So

1:14:16

I built a property asset and then

1:14:18

I had property management, property training off

1:14:21

that asset. So you're thinking about it a

1:14:23

slightly different way. You're looking

1:14:25

to leverage an existing asset to write

1:14:27

the book. In some ways that's smart,

1:14:29

but the only book I had

1:14:31

someone else help me write was probably

1:14:33

not my best book because it

1:14:36

wasn't my own voice. But

1:14:38

then I already had a voice and if you haven't

1:14:40

written a book yet, you don't have

1:14:42

a voice. So my friend Joe

1:14:44

Ratner, lovely guy, he got his book goes written

1:14:46

and it's a brilliant book. Is that Ratner Jewelers?

1:14:48

Yeah. Have you not had him on? No. You

1:14:51

could get him on. Is he a good friend,

1:14:53

Grand? And some

1:14:55

gold chains. Gerald

1:14:58

is one of my favourite humans. Really?

1:15:00

I love Gerald. Is he honest? Oh,

1:15:04

like, yeah, he's the, you know, the

1:15:06

people that are so honest, they

1:15:09

don't know how to sell or market themselves. And

1:15:11

yeah, you know, they're so honest

1:15:13

about their vulnerability because he's not got

1:15:15

any other ulterior motive. And he's known

1:15:18

for the biggest gap

1:15:20

in history. Slagging off his own

1:15:22

company. Well, no. What was the

1:15:24

words? Yeah, exactly. He told

1:15:27

a joke. He had a lot

1:15:29

of Ratner's jewelers around the country.

1:15:31

Yeah. And then he was the

1:15:33

biggest jewellery retailer in

1:15:35

Europe. Yeah. Breaking America, which

1:15:38

is rare. And he was

1:15:40

at the Institute of Directors doing a speech

1:15:42

and he had a joke, essentially

1:15:44

equating the value of one of his

1:15:47

pieces of jewellery to a prawn sandwich,

1:15:50

but i.e. cheap jewellery. And then

1:15:52

that got twisted and manipulated by

1:15:54

the mainstream media. And I know

1:15:56

other friends of mine who are

1:15:58

very famous. So that's happened. to them.

1:16:01

So no, what he is famous for

1:16:03

saying, he didn't say. That's

1:16:05

why you need to talk to him

1:16:08

to find out, but you should get

1:16:10

him on your show. He's brilliant. Lovely

1:16:12

human London. Yeah, he's

1:16:15

great. And he's a very honest.

1:16:18

Rob, I've really, really enjoyed our chat.

1:16:20

Thank you. I've really enjoyed it. I

1:16:22

thank you for making the effort. I

1:16:24

thank you for your honesty. Pleasure. That's

1:16:28

what you want. Yeah. Just before we finish up,

1:16:30

how come people find you? Where can people find

1:16:32

you? So my name is Rob Moore. So

1:16:35

anywhere online you'll find me. If

1:16:37

you want to

1:16:40

disrupt this podcast, if you're into

1:16:42

podcasting, this is a podcast. Search

1:16:45

me on Amazon. I've written loads of business books. Social

1:16:50

media platforms, Instagram. It's all Rob Moore

1:16:52

progressive. Okay. You find them all. Yeah.

1:16:54

Yeah. Quality mate. Thank you very

1:16:56

much. Really enjoyed it. Cheers. You're a good man.

1:16:58

Thank you. So

1:17:01

let me know what you think in the comments.

1:17:03

Was he unnecessarily brutal? Do you believe

1:17:05

him when he says he wouldn't pay for his ideal

1:17:07

guests? There's also been a bit of heat about the

1:17:09

Stephen Ballad discussion, but I believe I have solid proof

1:17:12

and what I say is 100% accurate.

1:17:14

So again, let me know what you think in the comments.