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I know what it's like to stop taking steroids.

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I know what it's like to be on them

0:44

and I can tell them what it does for

0:46

you mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, everything. Greg,

0:50

what's the biggest scam in the fitness industry? I

0:53

would say being natural or not natural. The

0:55

most amount of people lying about what

0:57

they've used to get their bodies. I think

0:59

that by a long shot that's the biggest

1:01

scam. For example, the liver king saying

1:04

he's all natural and that he's just getting his

1:06

muscles from eating liver. It's got to be, it's

1:08

got to be bad. Why

1:10

do you think people do that, man? Well, because

1:13

people want to have success and they, as soon as

1:15

you hear that you've done it by using performance and

1:17

anti-sean drugs, they take that away from you. So it's

1:19

so hard for people to admit that because soon as

1:21

you admit you're on PDs, people say, oh, the only

1:24

reason you look like that is because you use that

1:26

and not because of the hard work when in fact

1:28

it is a combination of both. I

1:31

was going to ask you about liver king actually, because I'm

1:34

sort of on the fence about how I feel. If

1:37

you look at him, surely, isn't it obvious? You would

1:40

think. You could chisel out of stone

1:42

a better

1:45

looking physique. It's absolutely unbelievable. But based

1:47

on the statistics, it's about 95% of

1:49

people realize that it's not possible. But

1:51

I think that because we're in

1:54

the fitness space and because we're knowledgeable and what bodies

1:56

you can achieve with natural training and

1:58

whatnot, I think that we over. estimate

2:00

how good people are at deciding

2:02

what a body can be achieved

2:04

natural. So for example, I'm

2:07

very educated on fitness so I know this so

2:09

I think every people everybody else knows what I

2:11

know but in fact they don't. So the average

2:14

person that knows nothing that doesn't go to the

2:16

gym that doesn't work out they have no clue

2:18

what a natural body could look like. Most people

2:20

probably think that Arnold Schwarzenegger was natural. Wow.

2:24

I don't think they realize that. When I was a

2:26

kid I thought he was natural. I thought Hulk Hogan

2:28

was natural, the ultimate warrior. I thought all my heroes

2:30

were natural. I had no clue. You must be in

2:32

your 40s then. 48. Yeah I'm 45

2:36

and Hulk Hogan yeah he was

2:38

the guy. The vitamins, your prayers, that's

2:40

it. Yeah the work time. The vitamins

2:43

and prayers. Not testosterone and trend you

2:45

know what I mean? So

2:48

basically someone like let's say liver king

2:50

is it impossible to look like him

2:53

without steroids? I would say absolutely

2:55

impossible. You could have that much muscle but not

2:57

have that much muscle and be that lean

2:59

and grainy and hard with kind

3:02

of a low level of water attention. It's

3:04

the hardness of the muscle the way it

3:06

actually looks that makes it impossible because some

3:08

people really good genetics can have that much

3:10

muscle be that strong natural but not be

3:12

that grainy hard the look to the muscle.

3:14

Right. Did I see you calling out the

3:17

rock the fact that he

3:19

you think he's on steroids? I would be

3:21

a thousand to one odds that he's on

3:23

performance and anti-drugs and I don't even think

3:25

small amounts I think a lot. Like a

3:27

trend. I would say he's on everything. I

3:30

would say at one point yeah you could argue

3:32

maybe just HRT but I would say to get

3:34

your best physique in your 50s belong

3:36

it's hard enough in your 40s 30s

3:38

but in your 50s it's

3:41

just too suspect. Yeah and do

3:43

you think he's being dishonest by

3:46

not being open about that? My personal opinion is

3:48

that he's doing it because he's convinced himself that

3:50

it's the right thing to do because he's might

3:52

feel. Well if it takes steroids or not be

3:54

open that he is. Like if he were to

3:56

open up and say I do I take

3:58

testosterone I take trends. Let's say he said that.

4:01

He might think that the millions of fans that

4:03

are following him would then do the same thing

4:05

versus him saying, you know, I'm not gonna talk

4:07

about it. Let's just not say this. He thinks

4:09

that that's doing society a favor when

4:11

in fact I think with knowledge comes power. I

4:13

think he tells people, you know, look, I look

4:15

amazing, but I use these things to get this

4:17

body and I don't think you should copy me

4:19

or perhaps say, you know, I have body dysmorphia.

4:21

People want me to look this way. There's a

4:23

lot of pressure on me to look this way,

4:25

but I don't want you to go down the

4:27

same route as me because what if I die

4:30

in 10 years from a heart attack? I think that

4:32

would make a bigger difference than him just keeping things

4:34

silent. Do you think there's an

4:36

element of commerciality whereby he might lose a load

4:38

of massive sponsors if he comes out and

4:41

comes out? I think without question he would

4:43

lose sponsorships. He would lose perhaps movie roles

4:45

in Hollywood. I don't think it's okay per

4:48

se to say what you're taking. Most Hollywood

4:50

stars, they have the chicken, broccoli, and rice

4:52

diet and they train four times a day.

4:54

That's what they do and they all look

4:57

like superheroes. Yeah, wow. Is

4:59

there another argument to this though? Because

5:01

I sometimes think his body, his business,

5:04

it's not illegal to

5:06

not tell everyone what you're doing behind closed

5:08

doors. We've probably got secrets and sometimes I

5:10

think, you know, because Joe Rogan's at him,

5:12

isn't he, to out him for taking steroids?

5:15

Shouldn't we just leave him alone? That's

5:17

a great point and I actually agree with you.

5:20

Why are we gonna say you have to tell us

5:22

this? Did he say I am your role model? He

5:24

didn't say I'm going to be your role model. We've

5:26

decided we put that on him because of his celebrity

5:28

status, but he does in fact have the right not

5:31

to say it, but I have the right to call

5:33

him out for doing that. Yeah, and I suppose if

5:36

everyone's thinking it's obvious he is and it

5:38

becomes a bigger elephant in the room and

5:41

he influences millions of people and they all wanna

5:43

look like him, then

5:45

there's maybe some moral responsibility even

5:48

if he's got his

5:50

own private life. It's a very good argument. What's

5:53

crazy is one of my first viral videos going

5:55

back four or five years ago was a natty or

5:57

not on the rock where I said there's no way

5:59

I believe. that this guy is natural and

6:01

most people think the rock is natural. If

6:03

you ask the average person, how can they

6:05

think that? They're not educated on the sport

6:07

like me. Nor am I. When I asked

6:09

my mom and dad, they don't think the

6:11

rock is on steroids. They would never have

6:13

guessed that. They just think he trains hard.

6:15

Exactly. I'm praised. Yes, they have no idea.

6:17

Hulk Hogan, it goes back in the old

6:19

days, people don't know. They didn't think their

6:21

favorite baseball stars were taking anything. People just

6:24

think most people are natural unless you look

6:26

like a Mr. Olympia champion. As soon as

6:28

you see that level of muscularity, like 300

6:30

pounds, they think, yes, steroids. What

6:32

most people don't understand is even

6:34

with steroids, unless you have amazing genetics, you're

6:36

not going to get a physique even close to

6:38

that. The average person thinks, perhaps they have your

6:41

build, they think, if you take steroids, you

6:43

could look like the rock. The truth is, even with

6:45

10 years of hard work, the best training, the best

6:47

diet, it's 99% of the

6:49

people not even going to look half as good as the rock, no matter

6:52

what they take. Wow. So,

6:55

is there an element of, because I

6:57

know you love to call all this out,

6:59

we'll come to a few people who you've

7:01

called out in a moment, is there an

7:03

element of there's a responsibility because people frickin'

7:05

die taking steroids. There

7:08

are a lot of bodybuilders who have

7:10

died, aren't they, taking strong

7:13

performance enhancing drugs. Absolutely.

7:16

There's certainly a risk level to taking steroids.

7:19

To me, I personally think that somebody who's

7:21

taking steroids has the same risk factors as

7:23

somebody who's morbidly obese. I compare the professional

7:25

bodybuilding champion who looks the fittest with the

7:28

best abs, the best muscles, and the dream

7:30

physique. To me, that person's just as unhealthy

7:32

as the person who's morbidly obese. Remember, I

7:34

am a bodybuilder and I did abuse steroids,

7:37

so I realized this. But I've changed, I'm

7:39

not doing it anymore, and I realized how

7:41

unhealthy it was. Now, I really emphasize

7:43

cardio, I emphasize having a healthy diet, and

7:45

I'm trying to undo the damage that I

7:48

did in my younger years. Right. And

7:50

I think we then add that to the mix.

7:52

Think these people who everyone thinks is on steroids

7:54

has a moral obligation to be open about it.

7:58

I think it would be great if they did. But

8:00

I don't think they have to do that. I don't

8:02

think anybody is going to say what they're doing in

8:04

their own private life. There's so many things that people

8:06

do. But imagine if everyone knew our deepest darkest secrets.

8:09

Most people know mine because I'm a public figure. They know what

8:11

I've done in my past, the negative things. But

8:14

the average person to have to say and

8:16

admit everything they've done, imagine. Imagine

8:18

if every married couple admitted had

8:20

to admit if they cheated on their partner.

8:23

Imagine how many relationships would fail. And so

8:26

imagine that in bodybuilding, having to admit what

8:28

steroids you've taken or not and considering they're

8:30

illegal in some countries, it's a lot

8:32

to ask. I hear you and

8:34

obviously I raised that initially. But

8:36

I imagine having an affair isn't

8:39

a major health risk unless your

8:41

partner's true. Whereas

8:44

a lot of people, I might be wrong

8:46

about this, correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot

8:48

of people die abusing steroids. Absolutely. But

8:50

it's not in the short term. It's such a long

8:52

term problem. So the people that are taking steroids in

8:54

18, 19, 20, 22, they don't think about that. They're

8:58

young, dumb, they don't realize what they're doing.

9:01

It's 20 years later that they start realizing,

9:03

wait a minute, I shouldn't have done those

9:05

things. And you mentioned about it's not

9:07

a health risk to cheat on your partner. I

9:09

would argue that it is because of the mental health.

9:11

If you're cheating on your partner and it's breaking

9:13

up the relationship, you get depressed. Yeah, but we're obviously

9:16

talking physical health and dying of a heart attack.

9:18

I think that emotional mental health is almost as

9:20

important, if not more important, than the physical.

9:22

The physical and mental go hand in hand.

9:24

Anyone who's not mentally well is

9:27

not physically well either. It

9:32

all goes together. Yeah. Is

9:34

there a certain amount of hypocrisy here?

9:37

You abused steroids and now you're over

9:39

it and now you're a fountain

9:41

of wisdom and knowledge, but you

9:43

did it. That's a great question

9:45

and I'm glad you brought it up because my

9:48

answer to that is it takes one to no

9:50

one. I abused, let's say, narcotics,

9:52

any drug, any

9:54

recreational drugs and it ruined

9:57

my life. Then I stopped that and I say, hey,

9:59

I did it. I went down that road, it

10:01

was a bad decision, look what it did to me. I

10:03

think that would help people. And people are gonna more

10:05

likely listen to me, somebody who has used steroids in

10:08

the past, and say, he's saying he used them, and

10:10

he's saying it's bad, and saying it's bad for my

10:12

health. I think they're gonna listen more to me than

10:14

some guy who's been natural their whole life and says,

10:16

don't do it. They don't know what it's like on

10:18

both ends. I know what it's like to stop taking

10:20

steroids. I know what it's like to be on them,

10:23

and I can tell them what it does for you,

10:25

mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, everything. So

10:27

I wanna come back to that, because I think

10:29

that's a great discussion to have. But something

10:31

that's popped into my head is, do you know

10:33

the wolf of water? Or know who he is, do

10:35

you know what I'm built for? So there's something that

10:38

pisses me off about this. And I

10:40

said it to his face, well, on Zoom. So

10:42

yeah, I'm all for people having a second chance.

10:44

I really am. I'm all up for people being

10:46

able to start again as an entrepreneur, we have

10:48

to fail sometimes. But he

10:50

ultimately stole a fuckload of money off people and never had

10:53

to pay it back. And you know, I did

10:55

his time and all that a bit, leveraged

10:57

the limited company law.

10:59

And now it's like preaching like he's

11:01

the best salesman ever. What about

11:03

the millions that were lost to

11:05

all the people? That just doesn't feel right

11:07

for me. And it feels similar in the

11:10

steroid world. Hey,

11:12

I'm not taking them anymore, so I'm a guru

11:14

now. Can you see what I'm saying? Kinda,

11:17

I mean, I am an expert on steroids because of what

11:19

I've done. So if I hadn't had that experience, I wouldn't

11:21

be able to speak to it the way I know right

11:23

now. Like had I not been using them, how would I

11:25

know what it's like to take them? I

11:28

think that had I never used them at all

11:30

and said, don't take them, I don't think I

11:32

would have had the same popularity. So I can

11:34

understand that point of view. You got famous partially

11:36

because of the steroids that you were taking. And

11:38

so many people might say, well, you

11:40

took steroids and now look at your famous person on YouTube

11:42

and hadn't been for the steroids, maybe you wouldn't have had

11:44

that fame. And that's a great point. Yeah,

11:48

there's these recent, quite

11:50

a few people like exiting the porn

11:52

industry and like trying to save a

11:55

one from it. And it

11:57

was awful. And they probably made tens of millions out of it.

12:00

I think Mia Khalifa's doing that at the moment. It

12:04

just feels like there's maybe a little bit of

12:06

hypocrisy there. I think that people are over

12:09

emphasizing how important money is. Like having been somebody

12:11

with no money and now having a lot of

12:13

money. Money is not as important as people think.

12:15

And so just because you've made millions of dollars,

12:17

people are thinking, yeah, that's what I want. But

12:19

money doesn't necessarily bring happiness. Having a lot of

12:22

friends in the YouTube world with

12:24

millions of followers and millions of dollars, a

12:26

lot of these guys are miserable. They hate

12:28

their bodies. They have body dysmorphia. They feel

12:30

so much pressure to keep using steroids. And

12:32

if they stop them to lose their physique,

12:34

to lose their followers, they're generally not

12:36

happy. Right, yeah. Wow. Yeah,

12:39

I want to talk about the money bit because I've

12:41

got a different opinion. Sure. So are we

12:43

okay to talk about your steroid use and

12:45

history and all that? Yeah, absolutely. So when was the

12:47

last time you took any? For

12:49

my last bodybuilding contest in Niagara Pro, I got

12:52

fourth place. I was on a steroid cycle back

12:54

then. And I was- And when was that? It

12:56

was four and a half years ago now, I believe. And

12:59

since that time, I stopped taking steroids. I

13:01

went six months without using them whatsoever.

13:03

Had absolutely no sex drive, no energy. Couldn't

13:06

sleep proper, erectile dysfunction. And I had to

13:08

go to a doctor and an endocrinologist

13:10

to prescribe me HRT, which is testosterone. So

13:12

that's technically still a steroid in low doses

13:15

so that I could be normal again. So

13:17

just having done that, it screws up your

13:19

head. Like it's very difficult. And I went

13:21

and lost probably 25 pounds of muscle

13:23

since then. So when you see your body

13:26

like larger than life and compliments from all

13:28

the, it's not really girls. It's really just

13:30

guys. Guys, the guys trying to get

13:32

all this muscle to get girls. That's a lot of

13:34

kidding. You're getting guys. There you go. And regardless of

13:36

that, it's height that matters more than muscle anyway. But

13:38

having that body and having to lose all that muscle,

13:41

not everyone can deal with that. You

13:43

develop body dysmorphia. You don't like the way you look.

13:45

You can get depressed. Did you go through all that?

13:47

I was able to go from getting my, I'll

13:50

call it dopamine or validation from bodybuilding.

13:52

I switched it over to a different

13:55

sport, cycling. So I did a lot of

13:57

bike riding. So now rather than seeing my body

13:59

as being small, I consider myself a jacked

14:01

cyclist because for a bike rider, I got

14:03

a ton of muscle for a bodybuilder and being in

14:05

an event like this and seeing all the famous celebrities

14:07

and watching the bodybuilding contest last night, I'm like, wow,

14:10

I used to look kind of like these guys and

14:12

now I'm nothing like that. It's hard on

14:14

your head, but I don't see that. I see

14:16

myself as a cyclist that lifts weights and I

14:18

emphasize my cardio. So rather than being like, I

14:20

need that muscle, I think, wow, but I have

14:22

good cardio and I still have a lot of

14:24

muscle. So I've completely changed that around, but I

14:26

think 99% of people, they can't do

14:28

that or they at least won't do that. Right. So

14:31

you reinvented how you saw your

14:33

body. Absolutely. And put it

14:35

in a different context because, you know, for

14:38

me, you look bloody muscle, I wouldn't mind

14:40

those biceps to

14:42

the bodybuilding world champions. You're thinking they look muscly,

14:44

I wouldn't mind those biceps and that comparison can

14:46

be a curse. I absolutely, no matter

14:48

how much muscle you get, like if you got to my

14:50

size, you'd be like, wow, I'm Jack. But then if you

14:52

were a competitor and you got fourth place, you'd be like,

14:55

well, compared to the winner, I don't look so good. Every

14:57

level you go up, you compare yourself to the people

14:59

at that level. It's your new baseline. And so as

15:01

I moved up the range from being an amateur to

15:04

a pro to trying to make the Mr. Olympia, every

15:06

notch was that much harder. And you start comparing

15:08

yourself to people at your level and there's always

15:11

someone better. And even if you're the best in

15:13

the world, like say you're Chris Bumstead winning the

15:15

championship five years in a row, you're still not

15:17

good enough because at this point you're like, well,

15:19

I won, but by not enough, I

15:21

need to keep winning to get that dopamine. Eventually Chris

15:23

has to retire. I think he might do one more

15:25

show on retire or might retire before he's

15:28

eventually going to lose some of that muscle because we know he

15:30

isn't natural. He's admittedly not natural. And so what is that going

15:32

to do to his head when he loses 20, 30, 40 pounds

15:34

of muscle? Will

15:36

he have another sport to change back to? Maybe he'll be a

15:38

cyclist like me. Maybe he'll do the exact same

15:40

thing. Maybe he'll focus on being a dad, but

15:43

if he doesn't, it can be very hard on your

15:45

head. So if you could go

15:47

back just at that time

15:49

when you first took your first steroid,

15:53

would you change that? Absolutely.

15:55

If I reflect back now and I have, I

15:57

would never have done it. The only reason I

15:59

did. it because I wanted to keep getting better

16:01

and I wanted an IPV pro card. There were no

16:04

natural contests at the time. You couldn't get a pro

16:06

card at the time just being natural. Now you can.

16:08

And so looking back, it's like I only did it

16:10

chasing the dopamine. I just, I always

16:12

wanted to get better and eventually no

16:14

matter how good you get, you're not going to keep

16:16

being happy with what you're doing. You're just comparing yourself

16:18

to people that much bigger. And so

16:21

my last competition, I went from doing bodybuilding to

16:23

classic physique. So the weight class was down about

16:25

10 pounds. So I didn't have to abuse steroids

16:27

to nearly the extent I did. But

16:29

looking back, it's like it's foolish. I'm changing a goal

16:31

that I can never get. I can

16:33

never be, I'd never get the body that

16:36

I want. I wanted to keep getting better, but no matter

16:38

how good I got, I'm never going to be good enough.

16:41

And when you say abused steroids, like how

16:43

much were you taking and what was it

16:45

doing to your body? Like my biggest steroid

16:47

cycle ever would probably be like 700 milligrams

16:50

of tests, 700 EQ, 700 Mastron. I've tried

16:52

700 to trend and I couldn't even handle

16:54

it at the lower to 500. So I'm

16:56

talking about I took the most amount of

16:58

steroids I could take and handle it. When

17:01

you take too much, it makes you feel

17:03

sick. You can't sleep. You have anxiety. You feel

17:05

bad. So you're on so much steroids that you

17:07

actually can't wait to get off of them.

17:09

That's the amount of zone. So absolutely very

17:11

abusive. And my definition of abusive is anything beyond

17:14

the prescription that your doctor tells you to

17:16

do. So if your doctor says you need

17:18

this and you follow that prescription to me, that's

17:20

not abuse. That's therapeutic. It's medication. But if

17:22

you were to say, I'm going to just

17:24

double that. Even though it

17:26

might seem low to most people, it's way too much.

17:29

Did it ruin any of your relationships? For

17:31

me personally, no, but I was hyper aware

17:33

of my situation. I knew that if I

17:35

was feeling upset or irritable or angry, that

17:37

I knew that it was like, it's in

17:39

me to calm that down. When

17:41

you're a bodybuilder, a lot of people blame

17:44

it on the testosterone or the drugs that

17:46

you're taking. Oftentimes it's the diet. You've heard

17:48

of being angry. That's a real

17:50

thing. Oh my goodness. When

17:52

you're a bodybuilder, you're literally, it's an eating

17:54

disorder that's glorified. When you're competing and I'm

17:56

that 4% body fat, I'm near

17:59

death. I had a hard time getting

18:01

up out of the bathroom. I'm having a hard time driving

18:03

my car. I was getting people to drive me to the

18:05

gym to go work out because I didn't trust my ability

18:07

to drive and focus. You have no

18:09

carbs in your brain. You're just completely on

18:12

empty and it's miserable. And so when

18:14

I make videos talking to people about

18:16

don't try to get single digit body

18:18

fat, don't struggle to maintain that super

18:20

lean physique. It's because I experienced it

18:23

for years. The struggles, the mental struggles,

18:25

the physical battles to maintain that kind

18:27

of physique is so hard,

18:29

I'm telling people it's not worth it. They think

18:32

that once they get that dream physique, they're gonna

18:34

be happy. They're gonna be miserable because of the

18:36

way you have to feel inside. No energy, lethargic,

18:38

and just miserable. You feel like garbage the entire

18:40

time. You look like the epitome of

18:43

health, but you feel horrible on the inside. Have

18:46

you done any research on actually

18:48

what percentage of the population think

18:51

having a bodybuilder for a physique

18:53

actually looks good? That

18:55

fascinate me. I have done videos on what percent

18:57

body fat people prefer. And for the most part,

19:00

women would prefer somewhere in that 10 to 15%

19:02

body fat range. 15%

19:05

body fat is what I consider a healthy body fat

19:07

for most men. 10 to 12,

19:09

you're talking about very athletic, and then sub

19:12

10, the six pack, the whole thing. Most women, it's

19:14

10 to 15%. And so

19:16

men think they need to get

19:18

leaner, but they don't. And in general, women

19:20

just want men who look healthy. Wow, so

19:22

I would have

19:24

thought being a man, a straight man that most

19:27

men are doing this because they want to

19:29

look good for women, I would have thought.

19:31

You've sort of admitted that actually it's to

19:33

look good for other guys. Well, I should

19:35

interrupt. They think they're looking good for the

19:37

women, but what in reality is the men

19:39

are appreciating the women, they don't care. Women

19:42

do not care about having all that much muscle. I

19:45

could lose 20 pounds of muscle from now, and I've already

19:47

lost 25, and I would still have more than enough muscle

19:49

for 99% of women. But

19:51

the men, if I put on 25 pound of muscle and

19:53

I walk around now, gonna go to the bar, wow, look

19:55

at your biceps, I wish I looked like that, but the

19:58

girls don't care. In fact, I would. I would

20:00

argue that they would see that as a bad thing

20:02

or a negative. It's too

20:04

much muscle. I don't want that on a man.

20:07

Yeah. I mean that's what I would have thought.

20:11

Yet, clearly these

20:13

fitness influencers are really

20:16

influencing, especially young boys transitioning into

20:18

men, in that that's the way

20:20

you need to look. There's that guy, is it Sam? Sam

20:23

Sullick. Sam Sullick. I mean

20:25

obviously he's wildly polarizing

20:28

and some people are like, get off his back,

20:30

he's living his life. He's

20:32

just sharing his life. He's obviously got super

20:34

famous and loads of followers. But

20:36

a lot of people think he's a walking

20:39

death about to happen and

20:41

he's obviously influencing millions of young boys

20:43

who clearly want to look like that.

20:45

We've spots all the fuck over him

20:47

and everything else. There's

20:50

a lot of responsibility on that guy. What

20:53

do you think? Well, that's a great question. I've met

20:56

him. I've talked to him a number of times and

20:58

he's a really nice guy. He doesn't openly discuss what

21:00

he's taking. I don't think he wants to influence anyone

21:02

to do these negative things. But look at him, when

21:04

he's... He absolutely is. There's no question

21:07

that he is. He's 6 feet

21:09

tall, 235 pounds, very lean, and he can

21:11

get by him drinking chocolate milk and eating

21:13

pizza and having burgers and fries. He just

21:15

has amazing genetics, but he's a super nice

21:17

guy. And so does he have a responsibility

21:19

for anyone? I don't think he does technically

21:21

because he should have the right to live

21:23

his life the way he does, the way any of

21:26

us does. Just because he's famous doesn't mean he has

21:28

to do these things. But just like The Rock, it's

21:31

the same thing. He's doing the same thing. It

21:33

might be indirect, but he is negatively influencing young

21:35

men to want to have to look like that.

21:37

Now, it's not for women. His videos are very

21:40

clear. Just

21:42

go to the gym for you. I think it was on the stage

21:44

he said his main goal is to get big. That's

21:46

his main message, was to get big. And

21:48

it's doing it for himself, not for women.

21:51

So it's not for women, it's for himself, but at the

21:53

same time, just having that body is influencing people.

21:56

But isn't everyone? How is it different for

21:58

Chris Bumstead? He's a Mr. Bumstead. or Olympian champion,

22:00

he's six foot one and 240 pounds

22:03

of pure muscle, it's

22:05

all the same. Yeah. I

22:08

really wanna sit in on this, because

22:10

I actually can physically feel in my

22:12

body the moral quandary of

22:16

live your life, do what you want. Is

22:18

he giving a big enough disclaimer, this is me and this

22:20

is who I am? Don't copy me, I'm just doing, or

22:24

because I guess he's making millions out of

22:26

his YouTube channel. He would absolutely be making

22:28

millions of dollars without question. He's the most

22:30

popular fitness influencer in the world right now,

22:32

easily. The most popular, number one. Yeah, and

22:35

by the way, I love capitalism. I

22:37

believe everyone can be entrepreneurial. Everyone should

22:39

make money, make money out of

22:41

something that's valuable and useful. Well, here's the

22:43

problem. He's so famous and he's

22:45

doing these things, but if we picked on him and

22:47

says you can't, we can't cancel him. He has the

22:50

right- I don't know, absolutely. I

22:52

would never cancel anyone. Yeah, he has the freedom to do

22:54

all these things. And if we were to pick on him,

22:56

then do we pick on everything- But you pick on people.

22:59

Absolutely. I have the right to criticize him. People hate

23:02

it when I do. When I talk about him drinking

23:04

chocolate milk, they get mad. Now I'm just saying, I'm

23:06

trying to get the message that you shouldn't copy this

23:08

guy. He can do what he wants for him, it's

23:10

working for him. But is it gonna be dangerous from

23:13

long-term? Probably. You shouldn't do that. If they

23:15

wanna listen to me, that's great. If they wanna listen

23:17

to him, also great. It's

23:19

like with knowledge comes power. I'm saying what

23:21

Sam's doing is not healthy. If you wanna

23:23

copy that, that's on you. If you're an

23:25

adult, I mean, what can we do other

23:27

than educate? Well, I mean, what we can

23:29

do is we can have our governments observe

23:31

this closely and just tweak and adjust the

23:33

rules and guidelines of law. It's

23:35

what they're supposed to do. Are

23:38

they intervening enough with steroid use? Because I

23:40

think governments, when it comes to money and

23:43

tax and media, I think

23:45

they over-intervene. I think they should back off and

23:47

just let us compete. But

23:50

if a lot of people are dying, should

23:53

they intervene a bit more? That's a great

23:55

question. Should we legalize marijuana? Should we legalize

23:57

recreation drugs? What funds are legal or not?

24:00

In Canada, my country, steroids are legal to

24:02

use. Legal. Legal. Legal,

24:04

as in I can buy 50 bottles of testosterone, have it

24:06

in my house. Police officers can

24:08

use it. It's 100% legal, should it

24:11

be? That's debatable. We have legalized marijuana.

24:13

You can buy alcohol, marijuana, 100% legal

24:15

in the United States. Not so legal. Testosterone

24:18

is illegal. You need a prescription United States to get it

24:21

in Canada. You can. Some different countries

24:23

like Mexico, you can walk right in and buy it. Which

24:26

countries are using it more, which are using it less? I'm

24:28

not sure. If we don't even talk

24:30

about steroids themselves, there are other drugs. Sarmes,

24:32

for example. Selective androgen

24:34

receptor modulators. They basically do the same

24:37

thing as testosterone. Often times they're oral.

24:39

And they're legal. It's a legal loophole.

24:41

So you can go on the internet, type this right now, and

24:43

you can be 17 years of age and they're going to send

24:45

it to your house. It's not for human consumption though. But we

24:47

all know what they're doing with it. So should that be legal?

24:52

I don't think so. No. So

24:55

we are discussing testosterone. So basically you are kind of

24:57

saying that there should be some intervention there. Well in

24:59

the United States it's illegal. I think you should at

25:01

least have to be a certain age to use them.

25:04

I have no idea what they could do. I don't know if

25:07

it would encourage their use or make it worse because when it's

25:09

legal, people can go to the pharmacy and get it. If it's

25:11

illegal, people are going to go and get it. But they're going

25:13

to go and get it in a different method. Illegally.

25:16

And so is that more dangerous or safer? Well

25:19

that's a good argument because sometimes when you make

25:21

things illegal, it just makes people want it even

25:23

more, doesn't it? Exactly. And that's their topic.

25:26

And how are you finding it in Canada then? Because this is interesting.

25:29

Is it working in Canada for many

25:31

of these things to be legalized? The strangest

25:33

thing in Canada is that to get testosterone

25:35

from a doctor, prescribed and be monitored in

25:38

a healthy way like me, it takes so

25:40

long. It took me six months. You

25:42

have to get your own doctor, sometimes an endocrinologist, a

25:44

lot of work. In the United States, you call up

25:46

any anti-aging clinic, HRT clinic, and you can get

25:49

it like that. Even

25:51

if you don't need it. Anybody can make it and it's a legal way to

25:53

make money for these HRT clinics. They're making

25:55

millions of dollars on perhaps young men. They're

25:57

20. They don't need testosterone, but they go in

25:59

the clinic. They prescribe it and they charge a heck of a

26:01

lot of money. So it's almost like legal drug dealing if you want

26:03

to look at it that way. Yet

26:07

it's illegal. Yeah. So

26:09

it's illegal but you can go and get it legally if

26:11

you just show up and say I want something. It's

26:14

that easy. But in Canada, extremely difficult to get. But it's

26:16

legal. But it's legal. And so what are

26:18

people doing in Canada? They're all buying it from the guys at the gym

26:20

that look like me or bigger. That's how

26:23

they're getting it. Ninety-five percent of men

26:25

using testosterone are buying it legally in Canada. So

26:27

my testosterone is prescribed by my doctor, 100% legal.

26:30

Ninety-five percent of people not doing it my way. Would

26:32

they want to? Absolutely. In

26:34

the United States, these people are getting it legally but yet it's illegal.

26:37

So I'm not sure which way is better. I would

26:39

say a combination of the two. Let's

26:42

pick up back on that because I've been doing some

26:44

research. Which is partly my

26:46

job. So

26:49

there's a few people you've called

26:52

out here. And

26:55

let me know if I'm wrong with this more. Because

26:58

I never fully believe everything I read on the internet.

27:01

So I think you've got some beef with John Bravo. I

27:03

think there's some beef

27:05

with the trend twins, Jeff Cavalier. I think

27:07

you've even called out bimbos. Bimbos?

27:11

Yeah. Like girls? Bimbos.

27:14

Like bimbos. Like women who aren't

27:16

intelligent. Do we call them a bimbo? Yeah.

27:20

Okay. Yeah. Just calling people

27:22

out makes you rich. I would say absolutely calling

27:24

people out is one of the bread and butters

27:26

part of my channel. I think I've called

27:28

out, when I started my channel it was

27:30

all about calling out the BS in the fitness industry. And

27:32

so if somebody says, ah

27:34

this does this or this does that, I would call

27:36

them out. And I speak about it. Now behind the

27:38

scenes, do I really hate them that much? No. I

27:41

just am talking about these concepts. But people like

27:43

it more if I really overemphasize what's going on.

27:45

So when I meet up with these people that

27:48

we have beef with, oftentimes we'll have a shank

27:50

cake and talk and we're not

27:52

mad in real life. And

27:56

how do you feel good about that? Because

27:59

what it sounds like. is you're

28:02

calling out BS in the fitness

28:04

industry because it helps

28:06

grow your channel but actually

28:09

you don't really have a beef with them because you're kind

28:11

of mates in the background. Yeah

28:15

how do you feel about that? So a great

28:17

example would be Sam Sowick. So I call him

28:19

out I say hey you're talking about chocolate

28:22

milk and eating junk food and

28:24

bulking up on all these calories and your crash dieting

28:26

and then we'll put a clickbaity title that it's going

28:28

to be a lot of drama but do I like

28:30

the guy or just like the guy I like the

28:32

guy and I watch a lot of his videos and

28:35

when I meet him it's very friendly and conversational and

28:37

a lot of people will say why do you have

28:39

such beef with Sam Sowick I'm thinking well I don't

28:41

really but the titles are put in such a way

28:43

to make it look like I have more beef

28:45

than I actually do. And I want to

28:47

give some context

28:49

here because I think

28:52

this is a really important discussion to have personally. So

28:54

I used to be an artist and I

28:57

have this commercial creative tension

28:59

always in my life where it's like I

29:02

want to create the art I want to

29:04

create. Fuck

29:06

everyone I'm an artist I'm

29:09

not going to try and get clicks

29:11

or followers or people buy my art

29:13

because that's not what art's about art

29:15

is about art. Art should be about

29:17

your expression and then I

29:19

go well all right let's say my art is

29:21

writing loads of books like I have and you

29:24

know teaching the world to be better with money

29:26

like it is. If I go on to social

29:28

media to create this art in my way I

29:30

get no views because the

29:32

social media algorithms want me to

29:34

call you out and create controversy

29:36

and have clickbait headlines.

29:40

So I can either be the you know this

29:42

is me this is who I am this is

29:44

the integrity of me as an

29:46

artist and no one

29:48

see my work or I can be a bit

29:51

of a cliche sell out clickbait

29:53

you guy and have millions of

29:55

followers. And in a way I'm

29:57

sensing that a bit with you you don't sound like you're a beef

30:00

guy, you sound like you're a friendly

30:02

guy, yet you're creating headlines to intentionally

30:04

make it look like beef. Yes.

30:06

But you're clearly not that, sorry I'm just spouting you,

30:09

you're clearly not that guy, you know, I've

30:11

just met you, you're not, not that, does

30:13

that not create tension in you? Wouldn't you

30:15

rather just be nice? Honestly,

30:17

I like both and I think it's okay to have

30:20

a combination of both. I have about 3300 videos

30:22

in total and everyone knows me as the nattier not

30:24

guy and the drama guy and I'm like I counted

30:27

my nattier nots, there's about 100. So

30:29

maybe 3% of my channel is what you

30:31

think it is and they hear the screaming voice that

30:33

I have when I do my videos and then they

30:36

meet me and they're like why are you so calm,

30:38

why are you so chill, I kind of like you

30:40

here? Does that not have like a lack of

30:42

integrity though? I don't think it's serious because it's kind

30:44

of like, okay the YouTube world, I see it as like

30:46

WWE. Sometimes I'm the

30:49

bad guy and sometimes I'm the good guy

30:51

but having that mix of both, it creates

30:53

more interest. I like to be myself

30:55

and I have a variety of videos, I'm not gonna

30:57

just only do nattier nots and only do drama, I

30:59

like talking about everything. Right now I'm really into the

31:01

manosphere, I'm talking about at a break up from 10

31:03

years and I've read a lot of books about relationships

31:05

and how to be a better person so I'm really

31:07

into that, giving advice to young guys like how do

31:09

you talk to girls, what's not like all these different

31:12

concepts and I post stuff about that and they get

31:14

really mad. Why aren't you doing more nattier

31:16

nots? I'm like because this is me, I'm not just

31:18

a fitness person, I'm a bit of everything and so

31:20

I post what I want and sometimes I want to

31:22

call out that guy like Eddie Aboo for example. Eddie

31:24

Aboo, are you aware of this guy? Oh

31:27

Eddie Aboo has 3 million followers and he says, this

31:30

is shit and wake the fuck up. This is

31:32

Eddie Aboo's channel, this is his entirety of his

31:34

channel, he says you shouldn't eat junk food which

31:36

I think everyone in the world knows junk food

31:38

is not healthy. Like he said don't eat junk

31:40

food. Then he says you should eat eggs and

31:42

you should eat maybe vegetables

31:44

and no fruit and sugar. And

31:47

so he's extremely popular right now and I've done a

31:49

number of videos on him and he's well loved because

31:51

he's got that wake the fuck up and this is

31:53

shit, he's got that attitude, he's a 60 year old,

31:55

he used to be a professional bodybuilder, on steroids, the

31:58

whole thing. Very similar to me but let's. say

32:00

10 years older. We have a major beef but

32:02

I don't hate him. He has a great message.

32:04

Don't eat junk food. But the problem is the

32:06

rest of what he says, he doesn't know enough

32:08

of the answers. So Eddie doesn't have a nutrition

32:11

degree, hasn't done enough research and so he says

32:13

a lot of things that are incorrect. I

32:15

call out the incorrect things that he says in

32:17

videos. I have fun with that. One video I

32:19

made on him, he responded back with making fun

32:22

of me the whole time, making fun of my

32:24

name, making fun of my accent, making fun of

32:26

everything. And like you can make

32:28

fun of me but what about the information? But

32:30

he would never debate me because he doesn't know enough

32:32

to have a debate. So he can say wake the

32:34

fuck up and this is shit a

32:36

thousand times and I can say Eddie when

32:38

you drink skim milk they're not taking out the fat

32:40

and putting in sugar. That's what he thinks. That's what

32:43

he said in videos. He said if you eat healthy

32:45

it cures all mental health

32:47

issues. He's saying if you're depressed and

32:49

suicidal it's because of what you're eating.

32:52

No Eddie. It's actually chemical things in the

32:54

brain and medication and that is not good

32:56

to say wake the fuck up when somebody

32:58

has a mental illness and they're saying that

33:01

perhaps there's not a better answer. All

33:03

you have to do is change your

33:06

diet. Eddie. And so I

33:08

can sense the passion. I

33:10

want to just yell out and say no

33:12

Eddie and I do videos like that and

33:14

so when it's a very heated topic for

33:16

me I get so into it and it

33:18

comes out in my videos. Sometimes if I

33:20

just talk about it for now I'm relaxed

33:22

but as soon as I hear Eddie and

33:24

he says something I'm like I have to

33:26

call you out. So if somebody does something

33:29

whether it's the trend twins or somebody got

33:31

somebody else and I'm like just no I

33:33

love making those videos because I love correcting

33:35

the information and speaking facts. This is what

33:37

I have so much passion for. Do

33:40

you think there's an element that we're

33:42

in this world of polarization and we'll

33:45

call it clickbait because of

33:47

the how the algorithms are controlling

33:49

us. I'll give you an example

33:51

for probably a decade I did

33:54

how to videos. How to get

33:56

out of there. How to make money. How to become a

33:58

millionaire. Yeah how to how to how to. very

34:00

practical and tactical instructional

34:03

and They worked and

34:05

they built my career. They don't fucking work anymore

34:07

No, I put a how-to video out no one

34:10

watches it and it pisses me off and

34:12

every now and again I'm like I don't really want to

34:14

do all this Clickbaity stuff even though

34:16

I know for me if I've if it's clickbait

34:18

But the art behind it is true to me

34:21

I can live with that But I'd actually rather

34:23

just say how to do the duh duh duh

34:25

duh And every now and

34:27

again I test a how-to video and it always

34:29

bombs. I like I can have videos

34:31

with 10 million

34:33

views and my how-to will get

34:37

3000 views Does

34:40

that not suck and is that not what

34:42

the social media algorithms are doing to us?

34:44

It's such a piss off I've discussed this

34:46

hour even just earlier today. I

34:49

have two different topics I can say this

34:51

man just won the contest it gets no

34:53

views this man lost the contest will get

34:55

10 times more views It's better

34:57

to get a million views than a hundred thousand even

35:00

though I have to be negative in the title or

35:02

the thumbnail To get people to click but once you

35:04

click on that video and you watch it you

35:06

will then understand the video So anyone who

35:08

sees the titles and thumbnails of my videos

35:10

and don't watch it will have a certain

35:12

impression of me anyone Who's watched my videos

35:14

will have a completely different impression So all

35:16

the negative that all the haters that I

35:18

get they're from one percent of the population

35:21

who are not watching my videos and simply

35:23

Commenting before watching you read it. I'll say

35:25

Sam Soolick diet critique and the wheelie. Why

35:27

are you hating his diet? I might say

35:29

it was amazing. This is perfect a new

35:31

diet that he's on they haven't watched it

35:33

So they're just going by the negativity in

35:35

the title and assuming it's bad So

35:37

I don't but then you did create that negativity

35:41

To because of the algorithm I'd rather a million

35:43

people watch my video and learn how to eat

35:45

healthy then a hundred thousand people watch it because

35:47

I had the Proper title and only a hundred

35:49

thousand people learn from it Everyone knows

35:51

that the title in the thumbnail and the clickbait is part

35:53

of the video now I'm not going to clickbait it and

35:55

lie about something I said, but if it's a quote from

35:57

the video or whatnot I mean, it's fair game When

36:00

does this end though? It will never end. But

36:02

the thing is, it's got to end in the

36:04

end, hasn't it? It's gonna end

36:06

in the end. Yeah, until, you know,

36:09

until we're going, Right, murder! Eat

36:11

broccoli. You know, you can't go that far. Yeah,

36:13

I mean, if you clickbait to the extent people

36:16

will start recognising that and they won't be able

36:18

to do it. Like in MrBeast's videos, he's not

36:20

gonna lie about what happens. There has to be

36:22

a moment in the video that represents what you

36:24

said in the thumbnail. Yeah, true. But you said

36:26

it never ends. And if clickbait, you

36:29

know, is getting more competitive and

36:31

the algorithms are creating more polarisation,

36:34

when does it end? I

36:36

have no idea. But I know that you have to

36:38

do what you have to do to get your views.

36:41

Is that not tiring? It's very tiring. It's frustrating. It's

36:43

frustrating for me, for my editors, the people that are

36:45

working for me, because they know the positive message that

36:47

I'm sending and we have to almost have a negative

36:50

message to get the positivity out. Yeah,

36:53

this actually, like, I don't like

36:55

this about the world. Worse than this

36:57

is you have to literally say what's not

36:59

true to really get a video going. So,

37:02

for example, ego lifting is

37:05

not good in the gym. That would be

37:07

like lifting really heavy weights and cheating. If

37:09

I make a video and say, why you

37:11

should be ego lifting in the gym, it'll

37:13

get way more views than the opposite. Or

37:15

if I say why you should never eat

37:18

apples, it'll get way more

37:20

views than why eating apples is good for

37:22

you. You have to say the opposite. And

37:24

so what people are doing now is, and

37:26

TikTok and the short form content, people are

37:28

watching the shortest content that says the opposite.

37:30

Like if I say the rock

37:32

has a shitty physique, everyone's

37:35

watching, Coach Greg is going to talk bad about his body,

37:37

but it would be a quote that somebody said. You could

37:39

have said it to me, the rock has a shitty

37:41

physique. I put that in the title and then I defend

37:43

the rock. Sorry, I've just put still in you, sparkling. Oh,

37:46

no problem. Can we get another glass? Yeah,

37:48

I was listening. I was trying to

37:50

be polite. Yeah. So you basically, people

37:53

in social media now are essentially lying

37:55

about things. That makes me think the

37:57

opposite and it's being pushed. Yeah. Not

38:00

eating for three days straight is healthy it

38:02

builds more muscle everyone wants to watch that

38:04

video even though it's ridiculous Yeah, anything you

38:06

say that's the opposite people want to see

38:08

this creates a real moral dilemma for me

38:11

in there I

38:13

if I want to be successful in getting my

38:15

message out to the world. I have to play

38:17

this game Yes, because I can be the hoity-toity.

38:19

I'm not going to play this game I'm going

38:21

to do my art exactly how I should and

38:23

no one's gonna fucking watch exactly But then

38:25

I feel like a whole you have to do a bit

38:27

of both and you have to only push that line So

38:30

are you gonna push that line? I'm not gonna like an

38:32

algorithm whole I absolutely do not

38:34

because what I post in the title is

38:36

Gonna be you are you are you if

38:38

you all consider this if you tell me

38:40

the rocks physique sucks That would be my

38:43

title the rocks physique sucks and then in

38:45

the video I'll say I was talking to

38:47

this guy and he says the rocks physique

38:49

sucks. What is he talking about? It's amazing

38:51

It's better physique than 99.9% of population. And

38:53

so I'm using the title to then talk

38:56

about and defend the rock So

38:58

is it is it bad? The

39:00

clickbait is there but the whole video

39:03

is talking in relation to that title

39:06

Hmm, so I'm not morphing is I'm not

39:08

taking his physique and shrinking it down and making it look small

39:10

which you could do like you can use like yeah, but I

39:12

guess you could say that That

39:15

his physique sucks if you're looking at it from the

39:17

vantage point of a 25 year old

39:19

female who likes 15% body fat Exactly,

39:22

whatever people so my physique sucks. So I put

39:24

my physique is mid They said I have a

39:26

mid physique mid means like average and I'm like

39:30

I have an average looking physique what do most

39:32

guys have so that was the title of my

39:34

video and then I start reading the Comments and

39:36

I'm like, are you kidding me? You think this

39:38

is average that's gonna create body dysmorphia for young

39:40

people They're thinking Greg's physique is suck. They're talking

39:42

about my my stomach having loose skin I'm like,

39:44

I'm 48 years old that this is loose skin

39:47

What hope do most people have what hope that pregnant women

39:49

have who had a baby? And so I

39:51

use those comments as a clickbait to

39:53

watch that video, but I don't feel bad about doing

39:56

that at all Now

39:58

you've you've something I've known

40:00

underneath but you've given me a little bit

40:03

of an epiphany here in this discussion which

40:05

is it's actually very creative to

40:07

take a negative headline and then spin it positively.

40:09

That in itself is artistic

40:13

so I like that.

40:15

Some people hate that and there was a hundred

40:17

percent beyond your side and they would argue against

40:19

what I do. I get it all the time.

40:21

Recently. But you have two million followers and they

40:23

don't. The trend twins they had they went and

40:25

they got one of the guys went into the

40:27

hospital he had overdosed on caffeine he was taken

40:29

to hospital and he had a video of him

40:31

and he's like killed by caffeine. That's what

40:33

he said in his video and so I

40:36

copied that and put it in the title. Killed

40:39

by caffeine and he had said it and then

40:41

in the video I said he said he'd got

40:43

killed by caffeine he overdosed but he clearly wasn't

40:45

dead. A lot of people were mad at me

40:47

because they thought I had said that he was

40:49

killed by caffeine in the title. I was copying

40:51

his video. Did you see? Did you get morally

40:53

wrong to do that? I'm copying what he said.

40:55

The words he said I didn't make up those

40:57

words. If I had just said killed by caffeine

40:59

as a clickbait title when he wasn't killed he

41:02

just went to the hospital. To me that would

41:04

be wrong because that is a lie. But if

41:06

I'm copying his quoted material like there's

41:08

video of him saying it I think

41:10

that's fair game. Yeah yeah

41:12

I think you're right. Hmm

41:15

okay right I've got some more research I've done

41:17

here. So the New

41:20

York Times declared most fitness influences are doing more

41:22

harm than good. What are your thoughts on this?

41:24

I would say they're wrong. I would say most

41:26

fitness influences are doing more good than harm. Most

41:28

fitness influencers are trying to encourage people to go

41:30

and be fit. They're trying to get them to

41:33

go to the gym and work out. Now are

41:35

they being honest about it? Perhaps none. It would

41:37

be like saying is Eddie Aboo doing more harm

41:39

than good? Eddie Aboo wants people to

41:41

stop eating junk food but at the same time he's

41:43

saying things that make no sense like drinking skim

41:46

milk is bad you should only drink whole

41:48

milk that fruit is bad you shouldn't eat

41:50

apples, bananas, oranges because of sugar content. All

41:52

wrong at least in my opinion but he's

41:54

doing more good than harm by a long

41:56

shot he's got over three million followers he's

41:58

encouraging people to stop eating junk food

42:00

to start reading food labels at the grocery

42:02

store saying stop eating chemicals. That is a

42:04

great message and so I applaud him for

42:06

doing that. Now I will pick on the

42:08

negative parts of his message which are the

42:10

facts he gets incorrect. But I think for

42:12

sure without question more good than her. If

42:17

there's one thing you could change in the fitness

42:19

industry other than the steroids thing we've talked about

42:21

what would it be? Having realistic

42:23

goals and real-life expectations. I think

42:25

most people who are in the

42:27

fitness industry, YouTube famous influencers, have

42:29

amazing genetics like 99 percentile super

42:31

good genetics and because they

42:34

work hard they show their physique and say see

42:36

I worked hard and you can look like me if

42:38

you just put in the work. They

42:40

cannot 99% of people can't do that because you only

42:42

can look like that if you have those amazing genetics

42:45

to start with. So what you're doing is you're telling

42:47

people if you work out hard for two years you're

42:49

going to look kind of like this and then they

42:51

go work out hard for two years and they don't

42:53

look anything like that they feel bad about their bodies

42:55

and think why am I not looking like that? Men

42:58

could train for 10 years and never look like I did as a 19

43:01

year old because my genetics were really good and

43:03

so they get discouraged they can't get that physique

43:05

and then they feel bad about themselves their body

43:07

is more and then that leads to steroid use,

43:10

sarnes, growth hormone all the negative

43:12

things because they want to have the body of

43:14

their dreams that they thought was possible when it

43:16

would never was. And so my message has been

43:18

halfway there I'll say close your eyes

43:20

imagine your dream physique now open them

43:23

you're not getting it because most people

43:25

want to look like either Brad Pitt

43:27

in Fight Club or Christian Ronaldo or

43:29

The Rock or any of these superstar

43:31

athletes and I'm like one

43:33

in a thousand can look like that and that's all

43:35

your goals and I'm not saying don't try to look

43:37

like that but don't expect it. Have

43:40

realistic goals can you put on five pounds of

43:42

muscle in a year probably you probably can't put

43:44

on five in a month though so let's have realistic goals

43:46

for most people so that don't feel depressed and that they'll

43:49

be have you know a good time going to the gym

43:51

because if you join the gym you think I'm going to

43:53

lose 50 pounds in three months and put on 20 pounds

43:55

of muscle we saw it before and after transformation and you

43:57

don't get it you're going to feel like you did wrong.

44:00

you're going to discourage and you're going to quit. Yeah,

44:03

I'm not sure how I feel about that

44:05

because I'm in an industry where

44:07

I help people be entrepreneurs and

44:10

become financially independent. Do

44:13

I think that's possible for anyone? Yes,

44:15

I do. If they

44:17

do exactly what other people

44:19

have done to do it. Do

44:22

and will most people do it? No. But

44:25

let's change that to a being a millionaire.

44:27

Million dollar income per year. Could everyone get

44:29

a million dollar income per year if they

44:31

follow the best advice? Now

44:35

this is a nuance, so I want to try and respect

44:37

the nuance and not just be flippant. I

44:39

think if you're in Africa

44:42

with no internet connection and no water and you're

44:44

riddled with disease and you can't even get to

44:46

a library, no. I

44:49

think if you're in the first world

44:51

developed country and you're broke but there's

44:53

the internet and a library and people

44:56

you can follow, yes. So

44:58

let's put that aside and maybe we'll, let's

45:00

just for ease say half the population, they

45:03

haven't even got access to it and it's not their

45:05

fucking fault. And they're dying. No, they can't become millionaires

45:07

in three years following a system. But

45:09

can anyone in the developed world with

45:12

the information that's out there, find millionaires

45:14

who will give content for free and then read

45:16

their books and then go to their

45:19

seminars and then figure out what

45:21

they did and maybe go and work for them

45:23

as a bit of an apprentice and learn the

45:25

rules of money and get out of debt and

45:27

manage your emotions and have a plan and build

45:30

a business model that works in the modern world,

45:32

anyone can fucking do that. But what

45:34

if their IQ were 40? Probably

45:36

better. Really? Yeah, you

45:38

don't need to be, the most intelligent people are generally not

45:40

rich. That is actually true. However,

45:42

I think there's a minimum requirement. Like let's say an

45:44

IQ of 100 with a standard deviation of 15. If

45:47

you're two standardizations below the mean of 70, you're

45:50

at the bottom 2% of the population. Yeah,

45:52

I mean. It's probably gonna be difficult to

45:54

even graduate high school. Maybe, but like often

45:56

the most successful people didn't even graduate high

45:59

school. That's true. they learn street smarts.

46:01

And the problem with the IQ

46:03

system test and the education system

46:05

is it's often just reciting information

46:08

you've been forced to recite. Does

46:10

that make you a millionaire? No.

46:12

How many people in the school system are teaching you this stuff

46:14

a millionaire? None of them. You

46:17

know, there's so many theoretical economists

46:19

who earn 50 grand a year teaching in schools.

46:22

Correct. I'm not a theoretical economist

46:24

and I'm richer than all of the theoretical economists

46:26

because I'm a real life economist. So

46:29

actually, I don't like looking at averages

46:31

and means and statistics because then you're

46:33

measuring yourself against average and

46:36

mean and statistics. Yeah. I

46:38

think what I would compare it to and everything you're saying makes

46:40

perfect sense would be let's say their goal is to make a

46:42

million a year. I would tell them based on my point, why

46:44

don't we make a goal of a hundred grand, which is much

46:46

more realistic. Yeah, that's the- And then if we make the million,

46:48

it's like reaching for the stars and getting to the moon. I'd

46:50

rather reach the moon and then maybe we can get to the

46:52

stars from there. Yeah, well- Realistic goals. Yeah,

46:54

well that's sensible. I mean, the thing is, I've not

46:56

said anyone can be a millionaire in three years. I'm

46:58

saying anyone could be a millionaire in a

47:01

given timeframe. But to be a millionaire, first of all, you

47:03

have to get out of debt. So

47:05

if you're minus 50, let's not get to a million,

47:07

let's get to zero and then a hundred and then

47:09

500. But then that's,

47:11

but a millionaire would know that. You would know

47:13

that because you're wealthy from what you do. So

47:15

you know that practically. You don't need a high

47:17

IQ to know that. Correct.

47:20

You need someone who's been there and done it. Yes,

47:22

I agree. So

47:25

yeah, so here's my challenge because

47:27

I've been doing this for 17 years. I'm the biggest

47:29

property training company in the UK. And

47:31

for many years I carried this moral dilemma

47:33

with me and I've thrown

47:36

it away now, is statistically I know

47:38

most people will fail. So

47:40

what should I not teach my stuff then? You absolutely

47:42

should. And the analogy would be 95% of diets fail.

47:45

Does that mean I shouldn't try to lose weight? You

47:47

were on the same page. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And

47:49

if I can take it from 5% succeed to

47:54

7.5% succeed, I've

47:56

doubled. You've absolutely done your job. And I've done an amazing job,

47:58

but if you scale that up, I'll pay for it. millions

48:00

of people but why

48:04

teach will most people do anything with it?

48:06

Probably not. But

48:08

doesn't matter some will. Yeah exactly so

48:10

you absolutely still should keep doing it.

48:13

Absolutely. All right sounds like

48:15

we agree on that. Right.

48:17

Are bodybuilders happy? I

48:19

would say in general the answer is no. I'd almost

48:22

say that the average bodybuilder is less happy than a

48:24

person who don't and I've a lot of experience because

48:26

I've coached thousands of people they get into the sport

48:28

and they're happy with their bodies. You're a 16 year

48:30

old kid you're 12 at some point you probably are

48:33

happy when you're born I don't think you look at

48:35

your stomach and think I don't have a six-pack. At

48:37

some point you're dissatisfied with your body whether it's because

48:39

you compare it to other people comparing yourself to other

48:41

people as soon as you're bodybuilding you're literally being compared

48:43

to other people and given a dopamine

48:46

a reward a prize at the end of it saying you're

48:48

better than that person. You enter your first

48:50

show which I did I won great

48:52

now I'm basing my self-worth on how I look

48:54

and let's go to the next level let's go

48:56

to provincial's I win again all right let's go

48:58

to the Atlantic champ I win again I go

49:01

to the Nationals third oh well I thought

49:04

I was real next year I'll come back and eventually I go

49:06

in I win and then you turn

49:09

pro and then you're compared and so all the

49:11

time you're dissatisfied your body because you keep comparing

49:13

yourself to people are better if you're not a

49:15

bodybuilder you're just you're just running you're a bike

49:17

rider you don't really look at your body that

49:19

much you're not comparing yourself to people all the

49:21

time and so you're way more happy because you

49:24

don't have this notion that

49:26

you have to look a certain way as soon as

49:28

you enter bodybuilding 25%

49:30

of people in sports that have a weight class have

49:33

an eating disorder imagine how strong or high

49:35

that is in bodybuilding where you're not based

49:37

on just a weight category but also on

49:39

how you look I'd say it's 50% of

49:42

people who body build have an eating disorder

49:44

legit. Wow unbelievable

49:47

and so my

49:49

job as a coach oftentimes I deal more with

49:51

the mental struggles than the physical I can give

49:53

you a diet and the whole thing and to

49:56

me that's so easy but the mental struggles that's

49:58

why I'm reading so many books dealing with

50:00

people that have suffered from anorexia or

50:02

body dysmorphia or just how do you get a

50:04

girl, how do you talk to a woman? These

50:07

are the questions I'm getting. I'm almost more of a

50:09

life coach right now than I was a coach

50:11

of somebody just giving them a diet and a training program.

50:13

To me that's easy, I didn't even do that. But the

50:15

mental struggles, and because I've had this in my own

50:18

past, in my own life, and because I'm

50:20

often talking to these people and my history

50:22

as a school teacher, I think it's

50:24

allowed me the opportunity to help these people a lot

50:26

more than the average person. So

50:28

can we talk about body dysmorphia then? Absolutely.

50:30

So I have this problem

50:33

with labels. So listening

50:35

to you, I feel

50:38

like I believe that body dysmorphia is

50:40

real, listening to you and feeling your

50:42

passion about it. But

50:45

the problem with labels is people go, yeah,

50:47

I've got body dysmorphia. Did you

50:49

have? Have you got? Or

50:52

do you just wanna look better? And

50:55

it's like ADHD. And I did a

50:57

video saying ADHD isn't real. I

51:00

argued that it might be a label projected

51:02

by pharmaceutical companies because that's a very good

51:04

label to profit from. And

51:06

then people are attacking me and it is

51:08

real and it's a chemical imbalance, which apparently

51:10

has been disproven, but whatever. And

51:12

I'm like, okay, maybe you've got some symptoms,

51:15

but as soon as you label yourself, you

51:17

manifest and become the very thing you don't

51:19

wanna become, because you've gone, I've got ADHD

51:21

and I've got body dysmorphia. Personally,

51:23

I don't really like this little bit of,

51:26

you know, the inch there. But

51:28

I've got really good hands and I

51:31

like my hands. And when I look in the mirror,

51:33

I've got a nice face and I like my face.

51:35

I don't really like my calves, they're like super skinny.

51:37

So actually I don't hate my body. I

51:40

don't like parts and I like parts.

51:43

So I haven't got body dysmorphia. I don't

51:45

like this bit, but I do like this

51:47

bit. And I've been told by someone

51:49

that that's common, that actually some people like parts of

51:51

their body, but not all parts of their body. So

51:55

is body dysmorphia real? Or do we have to

51:57

be careful lobbing that label on 50%? of

52:00

people are just a human. I think whether

52:02

or not you want to call it the body is morphe

52:04

or not that's irrelevant I don't think we need a label

52:06

just like I don't need to have to say I have

52:08

Asperger's or yes or no or I don't need to have

52:11

this label. It's all on a

52:13

spectrum on a scale of one to ten ten

52:15

being I can't live anymore I'm gonna end my

52:17

life I hate my body that

52:19

much that's a ten one is I love

52:21

my body it's it's okay I'm a two

52:24

there's I have a disarm that I would wish it

52:26

was better I broke my elbow in a bike crash

52:28

I wish it was better but has absolutely no bearing

52:31

on my life when I'm out in the auditorium taking

52:33

photos with people I'm I'll flex the left arm I

52:35

don't have the same muscles I do on this side

52:37

I still do it doesn't affect my life but if

52:39

I have body dysmorphia I might not go to the

52:42

auditorium I might wear a hoodie and hide my

52:44

body I might hate it so much that I'm the

52:46

scared to ask this girl out if it negatively influences your

52:48

life if it's literally changing the things you're going to do

52:50

then to me that's body dysmorphia whether you want to call

52:52

it that or not you could say it's not body dysmorphia

52:55

I just don't like myself and I don't dare go out

52:57

I won't go to a bar I don't go to a

52:59

club I won't go on a date I can't I can't

53:01

leave the house without makeup ever I just

53:03

don't like myself if you don't like yourself to

53:05

that a point to me if it's negatively impact

53:07

impacting your life then we need to do something

53:09

about it and you can get help you can

53:12

get counseling a psychologist it can absolutely help

53:14

okay so thank you so could we maybe

53:16

do two or three practical things that people

53:18

could do themselves to feel better about this

53:21

body dysmorphia well the first thing is everyone

53:23

should realize that it's a hundred percent normal

53:25

to try to want to improve yourself anyone

53:28

that's bodybuilding or not like if you're overweight and

53:30

you want to lose 50 pounds it's generally healthier

53:32

like if you lose weight you're gonna be healthier

53:34

so there's nothing wrong with saying hey I'm overweight

53:36

I want to lose weight but if you're overweight

53:38

to the point of saying I

53:40

can't go for a walk I can't go to the gym because somebody

53:42

might see me then that's that's bad so what do you need to

53:45

do you need to work on your body and try to make it

53:47

better what people need

53:49

to stop doing is comparing themselves to other people that

53:51

is the worst thing being on social media for

53:53

some people they need to stop some people should

53:56

not have an Instagram account they

53:58

should not they compare themselves, they're swiping

54:00

and scrawling. It's the top 1% of the top

54:03

1% of what you're being fed

54:05

on Instagram. So whether you're a male or female,

54:07

when you swipe down, when I swipe down on

54:09

Instagram, every second person that looks better than me

54:11

has more muscle than me. But yet, I'm supposed

54:13

to be a Chad. I'm not mid, but every

54:15

second person, a Chad is like a decent

54:18

looking guy. Exactly. But

54:21

if I look on Instagram, I'm like, I don't have

54:23

these things. But in the real world, if you're walking

54:25

around, I'm like, Hey, I have actually a good body.

54:27

I'm in good shape. You know, so

54:29

you need to stop comparing yourself to other people.

54:31

So just getting off of social media, stop comparing

54:33

yourself to other people and just starting to put

54:35

some work into your body, like be proud of

54:38

yourself. There's nothing wrong with say, going to the

54:40

gym, eating healthy, trying to lose weight, these, they're

54:42

all going to help. But don't just think you

54:44

need to be perfect. Do you have

54:46

kids? I do not. Okay.

54:49

Do you fear for the next generation?

54:51

Imagine you are. I'm in fear.

54:53

Yeah, absolutely. Right

54:55

now I was a school teacher for 11 years.

54:58

So I know what it's like. And my brothers

55:00

have children. So I know what it's like for

55:02

them. And how do you think it

55:04

is for them? And what are your fears around children

55:06

and social media and this impact on them? Well, the

55:08

worst thing social media is it's preventing kids from actually

55:10

being friends with other kids. Like people aren't friends anymore.

55:12

In the real world, they'll sit on their phones or

55:15

their computers and they'll talk to the people. Do you

55:17

want to have your friends come over and sleep over?

55:19

No, I'd rather just sit here on the computer and

55:21

talk. People don't know how to talk in real life. I

55:24

got canceled on TikTok for making a video

55:26

defending a man's rights to talk to someone

55:28

at a gas station. I had 58,000 not

55:30

views, not likes, negative comments. 58,000 people said,

55:32

what's wrong? You think you can talk? I'm

55:34

like, what do you mean? I can't be

55:36

at the gas station. There's a good looking

55:38

girl. I say, wow, nice shoes. What a

55:40

nice jacket. Here's my phone number. Do you

55:42

want to go on a date? You cannot do that. It's a

55:44

creep. You're I'm like, if the guy's

55:47

tall and good looking and he's driving a Lamborghini, he

55:49

can do it. But just because this one guy, it's

55:51

not very good looking. This girl's 20, the

55:53

early twenties, beautiful blonde girl. This

55:56

guy hit on me in the gas station. I

55:58

defended his rights to do that. And I got

56:00

canceled. Literally cancel the account. Every single photo video

56:03

that I had on TikTok, they

56:05

reported for having sexual content. They just basically

56:07

spammed TikTok and cancelled it. So

56:09

your account got shut down? Multiple times,

56:11

three or four times every time I try to go back,

56:13

they do it. So what people do now is they steal

56:16

all my content from YouTube, they pretend they're me and they

56:18

post content. One guy's got three, four hundred thousand followers. Yeah,

56:20

I get that all the time. No, they just rip off

56:22

your content. Hey, I'm a big fan and I watch you

56:24

on TikTok. Well, I don't have TikTok. Yeah,

56:27

yeah, that my content

56:29

gets ripped off all the time and then they

56:31

cut your watermark out or they cut you out

56:33

of an interview. And I try

56:36

to see that as a compliment. I do. Yeah, from

56:38

me. And I think that by following me on the

56:40

TikTok, they'll eventually find me on the YouTube site. Even

56:42

though I'm upset, I'm not going to cut out of

56:45

it. Yeah, because short

56:47

formers will cut this

56:49

bit and they'll cut me out of it. I

56:51

see sometimes like, wow, that got millions of views.

56:53

I had the same video on my account. You

56:55

got like twenty thousand. You got seven million. It's

56:57

crazy sometimes. Yeah. So I want to

57:00

go. This is a really interesting discussion because I

57:02

think about this a lot. So

57:04

are you saying just so I'm clear,

57:06

people, in case, obviously, they can't see

57:08

the council video because it's council. You're

57:11

saying that you defended a man who

57:13

tried to basically get a girl to talk to

57:15

a girl at the gas station, didn't grab her, didn't harass

57:17

her. None of this stuff. Oh, I was not. And

57:20

she as soon as this man left, she

57:22

sat in her car and said, this guy,

57:24

he's he's he's talked to me at the

57:26

gas station, try to get my number. I

57:29

don't got time for that. I got to go home.

57:32

I got sphinx to feed. She had two cats, sphinx

57:34

cats. And like you had enough time to sit there

57:36

and make this negative video, making fun of this man,

57:38

taking advantage of him because he's a male. He's a

57:40

creep. He's trying to get your number yet. Eighty four

57:42

percent of women want men to make the first move.

57:44

But then when you make the first move, you're labeled a

57:46

creep. And so what do men do? They don't talk to

57:48

women. They sit back and the world's a mess because of

57:50

this. No one knows what to do. This guy was made

57:52

fun of by her. I defended him and they're like, yeah,

57:54

you're exactly why I let my daughter out of the house.

57:56

I'm like, you want me to be the person that talks

57:58

to your daughter. because I have respect. I'm

58:01

a 48 year old, I was a school teacher. If

58:03

I'm talking to somebody at the gas station, it's not

58:05

gonna be disrespectful. But they're like, we know what men

58:07

do. We know what you're gonna do, women's lives. I'm

58:09

like, the chances of

58:12

something happening at three in the afternoon at a gas

58:14

station, I mean, really? But that's the

58:16

world we live in right now. When I was a kid, there

58:18

was no social media. I couldn't, that's the only way you

58:20

got to go. I had to approach someone at the gas

58:23

station at the supermarket. And you had to get rejected loads

58:25

of times. A lot of times, you have to get used

58:27

to being saying no. I would just go out and say,

58:29

hey, you look good. Can I get your number? I mean,

58:31

maybe get 50% success rate at best, but you're saying no

58:33

all the time. That's what we did. We had to do

58:35

that. And so when I'm saying this is, no, you can't

58:37

do it. I'm like, so what do you have to do?

58:40

You have to swipe? You can only go on Tinder? Like,

58:42

where is it appropriate to hit on someone? Who

58:45

knows? Yeah, that, like, I'm

58:48

confused thinking about that. I mean, I

58:50

know how confused I was when I

58:52

went through puberty, and I didn't have

58:54

social media and all this comparison curse.

58:56

And now, yeah. So do

58:59

you think it's harder to be a man nowadays?

59:01

It's way harder to be a man. It was

59:03

technically easy back then. Now it's impossible. Technically easy.

59:05

Oh my goodness. Yeah, is it harder to be

59:07

a man? I mean, it was fucking hard back

59:10

then. It's tenfold harder now.

59:12

To be a man's man, to be masculine,

59:15

men have been conditioned to think they have to be femt.

59:17

We have to be girls, essentially. You have to live in

59:19

a girls' world. We can't be actual men. And if you

59:21

defend your right to do so, women will try to cancel

59:23

you. Why? Women

59:25

want to have all the power. Is

59:28

that a fair statement, or is that a little bit? That's

59:30

my fair statement. If they don't agree with me, they can...

59:33

They control you and cancel you. ...have a

59:35

higher podcast on just this topic alone. Let's

59:37

go. I've come from two hours

59:39

away. I've got all day. So

59:42

you think women don't want men to be men? Women

59:45

don't realize that they want men to be men, but if a

59:47

man's trying to be a man, they'll try to cancel you for

59:49

it. But as a man, you have to still do that because

59:51

that's what a man wants. So I saw...

59:53

It's a little bit confusing. It is, and we need

59:55

to go here because you even sort of said and

59:58

admitted that you've become more of a life- coach

1:00:00

now than what the bodybuilding so it's important

1:00:02

I saw something that someone said and I

1:00:04

thought fuck that really resonates and they said

1:00:07

they want them they

1:00:09

want a man and then they want the

1:00:11

man you know to be sensitive and and

1:00:13

give himself and submit to her and then

1:00:15

when he does they don't

1:00:18

want him anymore that is not exactly what

1:00:20

happened oh you cannot simp

1:00:22

to a woman if

1:00:24

you sent a woman this is nothing you want a

1:00:26

woman will think well I want this guy he's masculine

1:00:28

man he's his own man and I want to then

1:00:30

change him I want him to conform to what I

1:00:32

want as soon as you do that she doesn't want

1:00:34

you anymore she wants the next man who's not gonna

1:00:36

do that it's almost like the challenge of getting that

1:00:38

man but the man who's strong enough to be himself

1:00:40

his true self that's the one that that's the man

1:00:42

that the woman wants but

1:00:45

she doesn't know she wants it but she doesn't know

1:00:47

she wants it and then when she gets what she

1:00:49

wants she doesn't want it anymore exactly and in the

1:00:51

process men are being emasculated exactly and

1:00:53

they're confused as hell all

1:00:55

men are confused except for maybe 15% of

1:00:57

men or maybe I'm not confused I'm not

1:00:59

saying this because I need to say I'm

1:01:02

not confused maybe because you know I'm 45

1:01:04

you're 48 we

1:01:06

can still go back to that old generation where we

1:01:08

actually knew what it was I

1:01:10

know how many times I got rejected approaching girls

1:01:13

and I know how fucking scared I was I

1:01:15

remember the first time I asked someone

1:01:17

out on a date by picking her up

1:01:19

on the phone when the phone used to go oh yeah

1:01:21

that was Evan yeah

1:01:24

I'm like I'm there fucking really nervous I'm gonna

1:01:26

fuck this up you know I remember that feeling

1:01:28

and then when she said yes and I'm like

1:01:33

none of that exists and men don't do that anymore

1:01:35

most men will not do that for the fear rejection

1:01:37

plus 20% of men are thinking that

1:01:39

if they approach a woman they're gonna be labeled a

1:01:41

creep even if that girl wanted so what

1:01:43

chance are you gonna have what what what do you have

1:01:45

to gain most women are gonna say no anyway and if

1:01:47

you do say it if you do approach them they're probably

1:01:50

gonna label you as a creep so

1:01:52

why would you approach them so men sit back

1:01:54

and they watch porn this is what's going on and

1:01:57

of course porn is nothing like real

1:01:59

life yet it's immediate satisfaction, why am I going

1:02:01

to put the world of being made, why am I going

1:02:03

to go out and make fun of a woman when I

1:02:05

can just sit here and watch porn and so that's why

1:02:07

there's so many channels about men need to stop watching porn,

1:02:10

they need to stop doing this, you need to start approaching

1:02:12

people and what the best case scenario for most men is

1:02:14

they'll go on a dating site and then just wait for

1:02:16

a girl to approach them because then there's no rejection. But

1:02:20

then what happens is they actually end up getting it in the

1:02:22

relationship and the relationship goes through. And it's the wrong relationship.

1:02:26

Yeah. So I'm not going to sit

1:02:28

here saying if it's men or women's fault because at the

1:02:30

end of the day it's both their fault. Well I agree

1:02:32

because if you come from the place

1:02:34

of I am 100% responsible for everything in

1:02:36

my life then you can have

1:02:39

reflected back to you the change you want by being the change.

1:02:42

That is exactly what you have to think. If you do not

1:02:44

think that you will not be able to change. You need to

1:02:46

say whatever happened to me is because of me. You can blame

1:02:48

everyone else, how's that going to help you? You

1:02:50

need to take ownership of it exactly as you're saying. That

1:02:53

being said, and I'm going to get

1:02:55

some hate for this but God fuck yourselves.

1:02:58

And that is maybe we could ask women respectfully

1:03:00

if a guy hits on you

1:03:02

and he's not been a creep fucking thank him.

1:03:04

Be nice to him. That's how I got cancelled.

1:03:06

I said in the video rather than making

1:03:09

a video making fun of this guy say thanks

1:03:11

for the compliment but I'm not interested. And

1:03:14

they're like oh but if I say that he'll then follow me

1:03:16

and murder me. This is what people are saying. He'll

1:03:19

rape you. Ironically

1:03:21

they're wearing leggings where their vagina's on. They're literally

1:03:23

talking to you. You can eat with me for

1:03:25

breakfast. Literally. But they don't want to be approached.

1:03:27

Don't approach me. But yet I

1:03:29

have a target sign on my app. I'm doing this with

1:03:31

my hips. Don't look at

1:03:34

my vagina. They want you

1:03:36

to look. They do. It's

1:03:38

absolutely amazing. I just don't know what the world's

1:03:41

become. You're literally on Instagram and

1:03:43

you're bending over backwards in a thong or

1:03:45

whatever and you're posting. You know that exercise

1:03:47

when they bang up their hips. What's that

1:03:49

one called? It's a hip thrust. Yeah.

1:03:53

And they're wearing whatever the camera's doing. And you look over for one

1:03:55

second and they're trying to cancel you for looking. And it's like you

1:03:57

have a camera tripod and a camera crew. And what do you think

1:03:59

we're going to do? look at. Look at how you're

1:04:01

dressed. If you don't want that, don't dress that

1:04:03

way. Oh my god, I can't believe you think

1:04:05

that we're dressing like this for ourselves. No, you're

1:04:07

not. You put on makeup for an hour and

1:04:10

these outfits and it's for you. I don't see you

1:04:12

wearing that at home. If it's for

1:04:14

you, why don't you dress stuff like that in the morning when you

1:04:16

get up and you stay at home all day? You're not. You're putting

1:04:18

on your comfy clothes. If it's for you,

1:04:20

you'd be going out in comfy clothes. It's

1:04:24

true. Society's pretty fucked, isn't it? It's 100%

1:04:26

a mess. And it's

1:04:29

because we're living in a society where

1:04:31

the feminine rules. Full

1:04:33

stop. But you know, now

1:04:35

let's flip it. Wouldn't some women

1:04:37

or some strong feminists, and I'm not saying that

1:04:39

in the negative, wouldn't they say about time we've

1:04:41

been suppressed for a million years? They would absolutely

1:04:44

say that. And they were suppressed for a long

1:04:46

time. But what happened is men were here, women

1:04:48

were here, eventually they got equal and it wasn't

1:04:50

enough. And now the women are ahead.

1:04:52

Women have a huge advantage in the world

1:04:54

right now. How? Well, for starters,

1:04:56

they basically control all the dating aspect of life.

1:04:59

All the men are just trying to date women.

1:05:01

Men have to do all the work. Women can

1:05:03

just sit back. Men are expected to get all

1:05:05

the money, make all the income, spend

1:05:07

all the money on their dates, their first dates. Like

1:05:09

if you have a first date, it's the man that's

1:05:11

expected to pay. The woman wants to have the equal

1:05:13

rights to make the same amount of money, but then

1:05:15

they go after men who have more money. So women

1:05:17

want to be equal with men, but they want a

1:05:19

man who's a high value man who then makes a

1:05:22

lot more money. Higher status, higher wealth. And

1:05:24

so really we're going to all have the same amount

1:05:26

of money. And so we're equal here. But then when we

1:05:28

go on a date, the males have to pay for everything in

1:05:30

the day. Like, I'm assuming it's expected

1:05:33

that people know that men are going to pay on

1:05:35

the first date at this point. Yeah. I mean, I've

1:05:37

been with my wife 17 years, but

1:05:39

before that I would always

1:05:41

test the woman and just wait and sit

1:05:43

there when the bill came out. And

1:05:46

I used to get a lot of stick for that and I've done videos

1:05:48

on it and I got a lot of hate. It

1:05:51

wasn't really about who's paying. It's about what

1:05:53

are you thinking? I think it's expected. And

1:05:55

now I'm newly single. It's only been single

1:05:57

for eight months. It's expected that you're paying.

1:06:00

It's not maybe I'll offer it. If

1:06:02

anyone expects me to pay, they

1:06:04

can go fuck themselves. You're

1:06:07

not going to get many girls. This is the problem.

1:06:09

I have no problem with it. Yeah,

1:06:12

I mean, I understand both points,

1:06:14

but they want a provider. They want somewhat money, but they

1:06:16

also want to make money themselves so they can do their

1:06:18

own thing. But like, studies actually show

1:06:20

that the bigger the difference between the money between a male

1:06:22

and female, the more likely the relationship is going to work.

1:06:24

So when you're a male and a female making the same

1:06:26

amount of money, or heaven forbid, the woman's making more money

1:06:28

than you, very unlikely it's going to last.

1:06:31

Women are hypergamous by nature. They're going to look for

1:06:33

a higher value man so he makes more money than

1:06:35

them, but it's more successful than them. It's just in

1:06:37

their nature. I mean, look,

1:06:39

if I asked someone out, if

1:06:41

I asked them out, I

1:06:44

would offer to pay, but I'm going to watch them because

1:06:46

I've been played in my life. Oh,

1:06:49

we all have. Yeah, we all have.

1:06:51

I'm fucking easy to play because I'm

1:06:53

trusting. I've been played because of my

1:06:56

financial success. I have been played. It

1:06:59

has happened to me and so now I watch. You

1:07:02

don't have the right to expect that I pay for everything. Oh,

1:07:04

but wait a minute. Here's the thing. You want me to be

1:07:06

around and available for you 24-7, but

1:07:08

you want me to be rich as well. How can I do

1:07:10

both? How could I go out and be a millionaire? Oh, but

1:07:13

stay at home and do whatever you want, wherever you want. If

1:07:16

you actually sit there and allow her to

1:07:18

control your time, then you're simping to that

1:07:20

woman. There's no way she wants that.

1:07:22

If she thinks she can make you wait or

1:07:24

what have you, then you've already lost. I see

1:07:26

nothing wrong with a man paying for everything. I'm

1:07:29

newly single. If I wanted to

1:07:32

get a girl who wanted to just date me for

1:07:34

my money, that's obviously going to happen, but she has

1:07:36

to offer being feminine. Yeah,

1:07:39

and you'd expect to go

1:07:41

on my time. So what you're saying is you're

1:07:44

happy to pay for everything if you

1:07:46

choose to do it and if she

1:07:48

offers equal value non-monetary. Exactly. Which

1:07:51

is very strange. I

1:07:53

don't want to date a masculine woman. I want a

1:07:55

feminine woman. If I'm masculine and feminine, the opposites are

1:07:57

going to attract and 90% of men are masculine. perhaps

1:08:00

10% are still feminists, fine,

1:08:02

but most men want a feminine

1:08:05

woman. Most

1:08:07

men want a feminine woman, yeah, I would agree.

1:08:10

Yeah, is it okay then to say,

1:08:12

well, I'll happily be with a provider, but

1:08:15

you have to do A, B, and C? I think

1:08:17

most men want a woman who makes less than them.

1:08:19

I think men would feel emasculated by a woman who

1:08:21

makes more than them. I think most men generally feel

1:08:23

like that. They might not admit that, but I think

1:08:25

most men would like a woman to depend on him

1:08:28

financially. It makes them feel good about themselves. They

1:08:30

feel like, hey, this is good. It comes from our biology. Like,

1:08:33

a thousand years ago, we were hunter-gatherers.

1:08:35

We'd go out and get meat or

1:08:37

whatever, and they perhaps were taking

1:08:39

care of children at home, and that worked, it

1:08:41

worked very well. But then all of a sudden

1:08:44

we wanted equality, and we got that, and then

1:08:46

suddenly the man still has to provide, but

1:08:48

the woman is working and making as much money, and

1:08:50

so they want somebody who makes more money than them,

1:08:52

and so how do you do that? Well, for men,

1:08:54

you have to become a high-value man. You have to

1:08:56

take care of your body, get an education, make money,

1:08:58

and be able to do that. And

1:09:00

that's what women are looking for, and that you're six feet tall.

1:09:02

But you're not in your success the way the women are.

1:09:05

Yeah, it makes up for all of that. Trust me, five

1:09:07

foot six, I remember trying to date you. You were five

1:09:09

foot six? Five foot six, man. I remember dating girls. I

1:09:12

was dating on a website or whatever at one point, and I

1:09:14

met this girl for three, we had two months of chats, I

1:09:16

met her, and she's like, I can't date you, you're too short.

1:09:18

She was five foot 11, I didn't care. But

1:09:20

for her, it was a deal breaker. So

1:09:23

I'm like, okay, and I've been told no a

1:09:25

ton of times because I'm a high, height

1:09:27

is a huge factor in relationships. So I

1:09:29

have to offer that much more. There was actually a study,

1:09:32

five foot six versus six feet tall, you need to earn

1:09:34

$132,000 more. I

1:09:36

think it was that exact number. But then you've been

1:09:38

given a gift. To make up for the height. So

1:09:40

if you're six feet tall, you're automatically better than someone

1:09:43

five foot six, and to make up for that, you

1:09:45

need to make that much more money. And you've been

1:09:47

given that gift because then you've probably been a motivator

1:09:49

to go and make that much more money. Perhaps subconsciously,

1:09:52

indirectly, you're trying to overachieve.

1:09:55

But I never had problems, personally. But

1:09:58

I'm six foot three, but I haven't got your... The

1:10:00

biceps muscles. I would argue six with three, you're going

1:10:02

to do better with women. The Me: if I said

1:10:04

signal matter how much muscle I have. I. Would

1:10:06

say six foot something is better than Muscle

1:10:08

Mk. So let's say I'm six foot three

1:10:10

Annoying. A very good career. And

1:10:12

he did not become a B. M escalated in

1:10:15

your five that six and you're adding really good

1:10:17

money in a good career to a very strong

1:10:19

insured sense about York's Ask Limited because you fucking

1:10:21

worked on it for twenty years. He took respected

1:10:23

yourself. You're. Probably going to win. Well,

1:10:26

stop anybody, got him. But if ugly, if

1:10:28

we had equal loathing your six with three

1:10:30

I'm five foot six years I would need

1:10:32

to make almost two hundred thousand dollars more

1:10:34

than like I would like to uncover. Making

1:10:36

five million dollars a year, I'm winning easily.

1:10:38

Move by the money, Get absolutely so. I

1:10:40

guess what I'm trying to say is yet

1:10:42

we will scare you. Might be five six

1:10:44

to be without challenge. I've got my are

1:10:46

challenged. We've all got our own voids, haven't

1:10:48

we were? We are imperfect. I think the

1:10:50

most important he knows being confident. I think

1:10:52

that if you lose confidence whether you're five.

1:10:54

For two or six per to dust and

1:10:56

trumpet affairs, five for to in a very

1:10:58

confident man versus a six foot two guys

1:11:00

ted talk to girls looking at for. The.

1:11:03

Sequel to Good Looking Guy in can't Hold Back

1:11:05

In with Words Not Going To Win and for

1:11:08

how to give us a couple practical tips on

1:11:10

how to go, competence and. Get. Used

1:11:12

to getting rejected the more times you do

1:11:14

you. Talk. To someone to get rejected

1:11:16

the easier becomes. This is part of a routine

1:11:18

it like if you have a say in poker

1:11:20

he only winning eighty nine percent of the time

1:11:22

you gonna get used to lose to win. So

1:11:24

the more times you can practice getting rejected the

1:11:26

more it becomes normal. You can't think I can

1:11:29

talk to this girl person might say no, you

1:11:31

have to always think she's gonna say yes but

1:11:33

if she says no it's a one hundred percent

1:11:35

okay have an abundance mindset versus the scarcity mindset

1:11:37

so there's more women in see, there's what the

1:11:39

billion girls out there probably don't think the just

1:11:41

as that's gonna reject you that there's not a

1:11:43

million more out there. In. Do

1:11:46

think we've become a bit soft and

1:11:48

in society extremely because if avoid a

1:11:50

rejection of a habit therefore create the

1:11:52

toughness you know the calluses you get

1:11:55

from. The. gym the callousness

1:11:57

of being able to bounce off

1:11:59

and of rejection. Well everyone gets

1:12:01

a ribbon or a trophy just to participate now.

1:12:03

You don't even have to win. You just show

1:12:05

up and you get last and you get a

1:12:07

trophy. You don't have to talk to

1:12:09

anyone in the real world. You have dating apps. People

1:12:11

communicate with their friends via their house. And now they're

1:12:13

using AI to chat with women. Absolutely

1:12:15

and so people are not dating

1:12:17

in real life and so yeah

1:12:19

it's horrible. There's

1:12:22

something I've been thinking about a lot recently.

1:12:25

So I mentioned before

1:12:28

about men

1:12:32

succumbing and submitting and simping to usual

1:12:34

words to a woman because that's what

1:12:36

she wants or thinks she wants. I think

1:12:39

that's what he thinks she wants. Or she thinks she wants

1:12:41

because otherwise she wouldn't be trying to get him to do

1:12:43

that and then as soon as he

1:12:45

becomes that that's relationship over. So I think of

1:12:47

the opposite. Maybe then to be

1:12:49

a stronger man we actually need to

1:12:52

challenge women and reject them back sometimes

1:12:54

and have our own standards that we

1:12:56

won't accept and the things they tell

1:12:59

us we want we actually have

1:13:01

to have a bit more awareness to go does she

1:13:03

actually want that or not. Now you're getting to the

1:13:05

manosphere. Now you're talking about like a man who's comp.

1:13:07

I've never studied any of this. This is exactly the

1:13:09

concept. This is exactly what you need to do. Like

1:13:13

when they used to say negging back in the

1:13:15

day. That's like a she-e-form of that. Wow

1:13:17

I love your hair. Is that real? Knowing

1:13:22

full well of hair extensions. Those are amazing nails.

1:13:24

Are they real? No. Oh

1:13:26

they're still nice. Negging. Yeah that would be

1:13:29

part of like gameplay. Which

1:13:31

feels a bit false. I'm not into that. I don't need

1:13:33

to do that but like these books are written on game.

1:13:35

They were written for like the average guy. Like if you

1:13:37

have millions of dollars you don't it's not for those people.

1:13:39

So I I've read these books and I'm so glad I

1:13:41

don't have to do this. Like for the average person. No

1:13:45

harm in learning. To know what people

1:13:47

are doing. It's sad to see that that's what you

1:13:50

have to do. For men to get a

1:13:52

girl but some people would have to do that. Yeah. But

1:13:54

you have like three different attachment styles too. We have like

1:13:56

avoidance attachment styles. So there's 25% Of

1:13:58

people don't actually want a relationship anymore. Way because

1:14:00

a childhood trauma. What? how they were raised

1:14:02

and we have twenty fiber. Twenty five percent

1:14:04

are anxious and so they're always nervous or

1:14:07

he's gonna be all cheat on me. The

1:14:09

have to check their phone, Dexter spying on

1:14:11

you in the new fifty percent who are

1:14:13

secure men. So if you want a relationship

1:14:16

step one day someone who has a secure

1:14:18

attachment style, they're confident in yourself. They know

1:14:20

they had their shit together. and because if

1:14:22

you don't it's an uphill battle. Imagine how

1:14:24

dating somebody that is like going to be

1:14:27

reading your your yeah, you're Dmz, your Instagram

1:14:29

and York's your Hotmail. And like dirt and

1:14:31

constantly you know checking up on you or they

1:14:33

don't want to. Really should anyway cause as soon

1:14:35

as they get closer fear of abandonment pushes them

1:14:38

away. Share views are hard thing to overcome. Soul

1:14:40

Step one, Find someone secure and if you are

1:14:42

a good communicator you're pretty much said it's it's

1:14:44

really that simple. A cat. I hear

1:14:47

you're not make sense the challenge though. He

1:14:49

sometimes they can take three months of dating

1:14:51

someone to find out you've were dating Wrong,

1:14:53

right? My dating is an interview I say

1:14:55

died the whole lot easier that way. The

1:14:57

Absolutely An interview. I have my whole life

1:14:59

to make memories and good ties with the

1:15:01

girl that I'm going to spend the rest

1:15:03

of my life with. When I meet someone,

1:15:05

it's like what are you? What is your

1:15:07

attachment style? I'll bring the book or A

1:15:09

or are you in avoidance attaches. Die you

1:15:11

anxious or secure? Tell me about yourself, Tell

1:15:13

me about your childhood. how would you raise?

1:15:15

It's an interview and. Plenty of hundred me

1:15:17

repealing know do the opposite. I spent three months

1:15:19

getting to know one, having great times and it's

1:15:22

fun and and three months later now you're in

1:15:24

love and you find out that they hate their

1:15:26

lives and they had childhood trauma. they slept with

1:15:28

a thousand guys and it's like oh my god

1:15:31

what is going on You want to find out

1:15:33

early and so the dating is an interview for

1:15:35

at the best job of your life which is

1:15:37

a secure a long life marriage. Why?

1:15:40

Did you last relationship and I have in

1:15:42

India and I can't talk about it? You've

1:15:44

gotten in the eye with your ex? Yes,

1:15:47

What the fuck Yeah. Mechanical Vivid. This must

1:15:49

be. America. Canada think

1:15:51

I've never heard anyone ever in the Uk

1:15:53

have an in the eye on their split

1:15:55

up with their at yeah and it's it's

1:15:57

the she tells you smart for me being

1:15:59

as as well as I don't want to

1:16:01

brag but this famous as I am and

1:16:03

in this and or on what I has

1:16:05

a did you really see the you try

1:16:07

talk about even that you can't even talk

1:16:09

about why this in India know. Where.

1:16:13

He has you do You do realize this makes

1:16:15

me want to keep our heads of course but

1:16:17

I can add or any the questions about it.

1:16:19

Far as i had a long i had and

1:16:21

eleven you really should like and saddened live in

1:16:23

your relationship and after getting other really sit by

1:16:25

began to do a lot of reading and i've

1:16:27

learned along. Such. So you've obviously

1:16:29

both agreed to this. I stopped watching Tv.

1:16:33

Like I don't watch Tv anymore I

1:16:35

will read books I death or no longer

1:16:37

into like watching ninety Day fiance are just

1:16:40

mindless tv their of about self improvement.

1:16:42

I want to see the world through other

1:16:44

people's lenses. I've learned so much from reading

1:16:46

books it's this is this life life

1:16:48

altering. It's a like a spiritual growth that

1:16:51

the journey ah in my life is so

1:16:53

different now than it was like a

1:16:55

year ago. yeah I'm still on the you

1:16:57

avenue be a really terrific sort of us

1:17:00

and need to say in that. Obviously.

1:17:04

I'm not going to get thrown, get you to

1:17:06

share anything saw, stop that they'll be boring me,

1:17:08

say I can talk to a yeah and library

1:17:11

A might have to just have a moment to

1:17:13

lie or cause I'm I'm floored then. I

1:17:16

think any famous rich celebrity that would

1:17:18

have an axe of ten plus years

1:17:20

would have done almost are like imagine.

1:17:23

Any and be basketball player, somebody being with

1:17:25

somebody for that long, No warning. Or

1:17:28

I discussed with. Yeah, Ok, for example, I don't

1:17:30

talk about who broke up with who I don't

1:17:32

talk of a wide or talk about if I

1:17:35

cheated of tissue boxes are we live? We don't

1:17:37

talk about any of that stuff now and not

1:17:39

with that would I think that's mature? To.

1:17:42

Not bring or that she up about the next elderly bad

1:17:44

about your ex does nothing good for anyone like if we're

1:17:46

I'm just sit here and list all these horrible things and

1:17:49

it's like whoa whoa why did you put up with all

1:17:51

the and I mean it wouldn't help you in that we're

1:17:53

gonna be. There's no benefit to talking about so there's some

1:17:55

advice or people. don't talk about your ex in a bad

1:17:57

way. Doesn't make you look good, it doesn't make her look.

1:18:00

No one will get a loser situation

1:18:02

watching us. Very good advice am because.

1:18:05

My first red flags is if you're talking shit

1:18:08

about your ex you be Say that to me

1:18:10

when I'm your ex. The a big red flag.

1:18:12

I agree with that and. Yeah.

1:18:14

I mean I didn't ask for the

1:18:16

alamo here fi as a made them

1:18:18

how much research you done about my

1:18:20

shy but I don't go into people's

1:18:22

possible I should have no trash talk

1:18:25

of just fascinated because now you become

1:18:27

a voice for men and I was

1:18:29

wondering why experience you've had any relationship.

1:18:32

That. Brings his food. Is there any? It's

1:18:34

can you can use. Can you talk to.

1:18:37

Each species had in the eleven. The relationship

1:18:39

that you think makes you have a good

1:18:41

voice for relationships Now why know that I

1:18:43

had a secure attachment style and I can't

1:18:45

say whether non she did. But. If

1:18:47

you, if you're with somebody who's secure, I think

1:18:50

that it would be very easy to be

1:18:52

able to communicate effectively and and you know. Gold

1:18:55

or any problem that you might him. I

1:18:57

knew what said that you said about dating

1:18:59

and is an interview and findings People with

1:19:01

a secure attachment which means you need to

1:19:04

learn what secure attachment is A motley I

1:19:06

would recommend everyone read the book attached it's

1:19:08

it's of extra one of the blade changing

1:19:10

both said had and if you want to

1:19:12

delve deeper into that, hold me tight at

1:19:14

the door. further into book abroad. How to

1:19:16

actually communicate with your partner when things are

1:19:19

going wrong. How to like gold for the

1:19:21

stormy seas, like the bad times and be

1:19:23

able to talk to the out and not.

1:19:25

Hold grudges and not just people. Are you

1:19:27

there growing together? Or the growing apart. And

1:19:29

there is no like Steady is. You have

1:19:31

to either be growing together as a couple

1:19:33

and communicate effectively and and sharing together. or

1:19:36

you're going to be sharing with other people

1:19:38

people. Eventually they're going together, it might be

1:19:40

strong and eventually something happen You medicine One

1:19:42

thing as the catalyst to them having a

1:19:44

Dm from someone else, maybe some hot to

1:19:46

guy giving them attention. Wait a minute. He's

1:19:48

not being nice to me right now. I'm

1:19:50

A. He's not only talked to him than

1:19:53

it's it didn't go on this downward spiral.

1:19:55

of talking other people like one percent off to

1:19:57

the moon how far you often you get there

1:19:59

probably hundreds thousand miles. One

1:20:01

percent off in a couple discussing things and

1:20:03

not really being fully transparent to each other

1:20:06

and all of a sudden they have their

1:20:08

own side life here and it goes south

1:20:10

and you can never look back. Wow.

1:20:14

Yeah. So what if you're one

1:20:16

of the 50% of the population that's got

1:20:18

this trauma and this... Then

1:20:20

you have to date someone with the secure attachment styles.

1:20:23

You have two avoidance attachment styles they're going to class.

1:20:25

You're never going to work. As soon as one gets

1:20:27

closer you pull back. Right. It's

1:20:29

never going to work. If somebody is very

1:20:31

secure, the more secure the better. And by

1:20:33

that I mean they just have so much

1:20:35

confidence with themselves. So they go off to

1:20:37

a vacation in another country and

1:20:39

the whole week and you're like, yeah, have a good

1:20:41

time, babe. They don't text you for 30 hours straight.

1:20:44

They don't call you. No, I

1:20:46

trust her. You need somebody who is

1:20:48

that secure. If they're anxious and

1:20:50

you go six hours and haven't talked, are you

1:20:52

cheating on me? And every hour at the bar,

1:20:54

that's not going to work. So

1:20:56

you need to date someone secure. The more secure,

1:20:59

the better. I consider myself extremely secure, very confident

1:21:01

in myself. So I can date people who perhaps

1:21:03

are not secure, but it would be far better

1:21:05

to date someone who is secure because you don't

1:21:07

have to deal with all those headaches. But

1:21:10

surely we all have some baggage growing up and

1:21:13

surely we can all work on those to become

1:21:15

more secure, can't we? Absolutely. How do you do

1:21:17

that? I would read these books. I would start

1:21:19

by reading the book attached. So they give you

1:21:21

some... Absolutely. They give you some strategy

1:21:23

for dealing... Despite me having had, I would consider a

1:21:25

great childhood when I talk to other people that are

1:21:27

like, yeah, but have you considered these aspects? I'm like,

1:21:29

oh, well, maybe you want this because... Like you can

1:21:31

really look at your childhood and what you are as

1:21:34

a person now, it's because of the mental

1:21:37

connections that were made when you're four or five... Like

1:21:39

as a kid, it's fascinating. I

1:21:41

really like psychology in university as well. And so

1:21:44

now it's almost like it's the psychology of the

1:21:46

mind that I'm really interested in. So

1:21:48

it has nothing to do with fitness, but to

1:21:50

me, being healthy, it's not just the body, it's

1:21:52

the mind. I can look amazing and have a

1:21:54

great VO2 max, heart rate and muscle and be

1:21:56

strong, but what if I'm depressed and what if

1:21:59

I don't know... in my own head what I

1:22:01

should be doing. So have you

1:22:03

got like a quick tip for having

1:22:05

good mental health? Read, stop watching TV.

1:22:08

Like so many people are sitting there mindlessly watching

1:22:10

TV and not doing anything with guys. I would

1:22:12

say two, three, four hours a day. And whether

1:22:14

it's TV or just scrolling on Instagram, imagine

1:22:17

spending all that time and working on

1:22:19

yourself and reading, like it doesn't have

1:22:21

to be the same books as I'm but read something. Huge

1:22:24

difference. Like right now I'm more learning

1:22:26

Spanish. Like challenge yourself and the reward

1:22:28

of getting better. You always have to be fighting

1:22:31

to improve yourself. I always try to fight with

1:22:33

my body like powerlifting, bodybuilding, but now it's

1:22:35

more like the mental. I mean 48 how

1:22:37

much stronger am I get? Am I gonna

1:22:39

be more muscular at 70 than I am

1:22:41

now? Am I gonna be able to bench press more 80? Like

1:22:43

probably not, but I can get a lot smarter. I

1:22:46

can learn more. Self-actualize not just

1:22:48

about your performance in the gym but

1:22:50

in the mind as well. So

1:22:53

we do a quick fire round. I've got

1:22:55

loads here, but I think I'm

1:22:57

just gonna change up the energy up for

1:22:59

a quick fire round. Okay, great. Then

1:23:02

I might pull out these glasses if you're up. Oh sure. What's

1:23:05

the best fitness advice you ever received?

1:23:09

Received. I

1:23:12

think that myself, when I was younger, I was told

1:23:14

to stay natural and not to go

1:23:16

too quick because when I went to the national

1:23:18

championships and I was third and I

1:23:20

was 144 pounds, like 140. Guy

1:23:25

that beat me was well over 200 pounds. And so

1:23:27

you see these guys and they're on steroids. And

1:23:30

I'm like, wow, I haven't seen guys like this. Just

1:23:32

take your time. Because if I had started taking steroids

1:23:34

at 20, 21, 22, you burn

1:23:36

out a lot younger. Even when you take steroids, you don't work

1:23:38

forever. You maybe have five good years and then you peaked again.

1:23:40

Then where do you go? You can take steroids and get bigger.

1:23:42

From 20 to 25, 25, you're pretty much done. Then

1:23:45

what? So by having waited so much

1:23:48

longer, it allowed me to have an extended

1:23:51

fitness career. I didn't turn pro

1:23:53

till I was 35 and I retired in

1:23:55

my 40s. Most guys are turning pro in

1:23:57

their 20s and retiring in their 30s. And

1:23:59

because of that, I was older when I started, I

1:24:01

had more like the knowledge of what I'm doing.

1:24:03

You can make better decisions and so I would

1:24:05

tell people the same advice like take your time.

1:24:08

That's good life advice in a way isn't it?

1:24:10

Take your time. Okay

1:24:13

and what about the worst fitness advice you ever

1:24:15

received? Bulk. Bulk

1:24:18

up. Like force the food. Eat

1:24:20

big to get big. I think that that

1:24:22

is still a common misconception. I hear it

1:24:24

all the time. Everyone thinks you need to

1:24:26

eat a lot of food to get big.

1:24:29

Eating a lot of food gets you big and fat. It doesn't

1:24:31

get you big muscles. It gets you big and fat. Once you're

1:24:33

past 20% body fat, you're just

1:24:36

putting on body fat. It's not helping you get

1:24:38

stronger. It's only making things worse. It's faster your

1:24:40

health. Then you start yo-yo dieting. That leads to

1:24:43

body dysmorphia. You're fat and then you're thin and

1:24:45

you get fat again and you hate your body

1:24:47

and you get thin. So I'd say the worst

1:24:50

advice, bulk and cutting. That's why I preach main

1:24:52

gaining which is basically maintain a healthy body fat

1:24:54

percentage around that 15% mark and just slowly build

1:24:56

muscle from there. So

1:24:58

other than you don't have

1:25:00

regrets or regrets are great teachers, what's

1:25:02

your biggest regret? On

1:25:06

the spot, regrets. Jeez. Not

1:25:09

breaking up with my ex-girlfriend sooner, I think.

1:25:13

Like literally. If I had to read all these

1:25:15

books, I would have probably ended the relationship a

1:25:17

lot sooner. I would think that sometimes you get

1:25:19

caught up in the comfort of what you're in

1:25:21

even though it might not be comfortable and

1:25:24

you don't make decisions that you should have made. I think

1:25:26

that's in a lot of relationships now. I don't want to

1:25:28

tell all the married people out there to get to break

1:25:30

up but perhaps go to counseling right

1:25:33

now. Start read some books and decide

1:25:35

is what you're in right now worth

1:25:37

it or because if it's not don't waste your time.

1:25:39

The abundance mindset like there's many other

1:25:41

women out there. Find the right woman

1:25:44

for you. What

1:25:46

one thing's wrong in the world right now that you'd

1:25:48

love to change? It can be what we've talked about

1:25:50

with something different. I would say the cancel culture right

1:25:52

now is one of the worst things. It's

1:25:55

absolutely horrible. People think that you can't have

1:25:57

an opinion. We learn more from the

1:26:00

rather than hate. I mean why can't you

1:26:02

have an opinion? We've had different opinions here.

1:26:04

We can talk about it and you know

1:26:06

rather than me just I hate you for

1:26:08

saying this, you did an ad and I

1:26:10

hate that. Learn much more. I mean we

1:26:12

are in a democratic society. It's important to

1:26:14

allow us to have free speech

1:26:17

and to talk about things because how can we

1:26:19

change if we don't? Why do you think it's

1:26:21

got such a fever pitch of being counseled? Well

1:26:23

before it was the people who are the oppressors

1:26:25

that were like basically in charge and there's these

1:26:28

minorities we're kind of put down. Now it's

1:26:30

the opposite. All the minorities,

1:26:33

like the weakest of the population

1:26:35

are almost elevated above and

1:26:37

beyond everything else and so if you're a

1:26:39

man who used to be more powerful than

1:26:41

a woman and you say something that's against

1:26:44

a woman, you're automatically a misogynist. Like you're

1:26:46

automatically, you can't say these things. So

1:26:49

people like Andrew Tate are hated on because

1:26:51

he's speaking from an opinion of, well he's

1:26:53

a very masculine man. He doesn't say things

1:26:56

appropriately to everybody and so he'd get to cancel culture.

1:26:59

We have to cancel, he's not even allowed to speak

1:27:01

on YouTube. Even Jordan Peterson is the

1:27:03

same way. He makes a few different comments and people

1:27:05

are like he's a horrible human being. I posted a

1:27:07

photo of me with Jordan Peterson. Tons

1:27:09

of comments. Big L,

1:27:12

I'm unfalling, I'm not subbing you anymore. I'm

1:27:14

like are you kidding? You don't even know what his opinion, like

1:27:16

what did I even say about him? Just the fact I'm in

1:27:18

a photo with him, they're canceling me. You know

1:27:20

it's horrible. So for me like the

1:27:23

censorship, it's ridiculous. And do

1:27:25

you think people like Andrew Tate and Jordan

1:27:27

Peterson are overall good or overall not good?

1:27:29

I think overall good. I think overall great.

1:27:31

I think that we have to have

1:27:33

people that are allowed to express themselves. I don't care

1:27:35

what Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson says or anyone. It

1:27:37

can say I defend people's right to

1:27:40

say it. If it's a horrible thing, like the

1:27:42

worst thing they could ever say, I'd rather them

1:27:44

say it and then a million of us say

1:27:46

you're an asshole for saying that because the collective

1:27:49

opinions of society is what's going to make

1:27:51

change. Like if we just say you can't say

1:27:53

that, who decides you can't say that? Because if

1:27:55

it's one person, what if it's our government and

1:27:57

we don't agree with that government? That's

1:28:00

a scary slippery slope to go down once we start

1:28:02

giving people the power to decide who gets to speak

1:28:04

up and who don't That's

1:28:06

it. We need to all have that power But

1:28:11

the problem is we don't have a democracy Well,

1:28:14

we should we're going to we think we have a democracy

1:28:16

We have to allow people to have their own opinions I

1:28:18

was like me I have very strong opinions a lot of

1:28:20

people are mad at certain things that I say and I'm

1:28:22

like But I had the right to say it and you

1:28:24

have the right to say you're an idiot I disagree with

1:28:27

you then we have a public debate you say why I'm

1:28:29

an idiot I say why you're an idiot and then at

1:28:31

the end we all decide what's the best way to do

1:28:33

it That's the only way to grow and why does it

1:28:35

seem like that's impossible right now? I Wonder

1:28:38

why it seems impossible. I don't think it is I think

1:28:40

that people just have to not back down but most men

1:28:42

at least are simping there

1:28:45

They're because it's we live mostly

1:28:47

by by feminists when I

1:28:49

say something people are like, yeah, but you're you're

1:28:51

a misogynist It's automatically that cancel culture You

1:28:53

just have to allow with these people like me

1:28:55

to keep doing what I'm doing if I back

1:28:57

down and stop and say okay You're right. I'm

1:29:00

gonna not say these opinions then I've lost and

1:29:02

then we've lost we need myself Jordan

1:29:05

Peterson and rotate and a million others

1:29:07

to keep speaking out and if we

1:29:09

don't we're just gonna go downhill from there

1:29:11

I Have a theory on

1:29:13

what the problem might be And

1:29:16

the problem is not being able to control

1:29:18

your emotions in discourse

1:29:21

and debate So and

1:29:24

I'm pretty confident myself that no matter

1:29:26

what you said to me here with

1:29:28

me about me Or how

1:29:30

hard you disagreed with me? I can

1:29:33

handle it and I'm gonna learn something from you

1:29:35

and Even if you hate

1:29:37

it on me, which of course you're not gonna do because you're a

1:29:39

pro at this I'm not

1:29:41

gonna dislike you just because you dislike me. I'm

1:29:43

actually so like you even if you dislike me

1:29:45

and I know that I'm gonna have a better

1:29:48

conversation with you if we

1:29:51

can disagree on some things and still shake

1:29:53

our hands at the end and surely that's

1:29:55

progress and That's where I think the

1:29:57

problem is because people can't fucking do that anymore agree

1:30:00

with you, fuck you, you're cancelled, that's wrong,

1:30:02

you're this, you're that, why can't people just

1:30:04

converse in a balanced way anymore? Yeah, I

1:30:07

haven't put enough thought into why is it

1:30:09

that people hate what I say so much.

1:30:11

So for giving you an example, I

1:30:14

said in women's bikini competitions, you know, they're

1:30:16

wearing a thong and they're on stage and

1:30:18

they're clear stilettos with breast implants and fake

1:30:20

hair and tan and the whole thing, Botox

1:30:22

lip filler, I said it's a

1:30:25

very overtly sexual competition where you're arching your

1:30:27

back and your hair's blocking and it's like

1:30:29

who's the hottest girl that's kind of winning

1:30:31

and the women were furious, not all but some

1:30:34

and they're like you're a misogynist, you

1:30:36

should be cancelled and I lost my

1:30:38

ability to judge women's bikini competitions because

1:30:40

of some of the comments I said

1:30:43

and I'm like but I'm speaking the truth

1:30:45

and I'm talking to 99% of people are

1:30:47

like yeah but he's speaking facts but because

1:30:49

I'm speaking negatively in a way about

1:30:52

women, that's wrong and I'm

1:30:54

like yeah but can I say it's sexual and

1:30:56

then you make a video or talk and say

1:30:58

you know what it isn't sexual because we're wearing

1:31:00

a thong, we're arching but we're not making

1:31:02

the argument but to say I can't

1:31:05

say that and have that censorship,

1:31:07

that is where it's going more wrong and

1:31:09

I'm not going to stop. If I saw those comments

1:31:11

and said I'm never going to talk about women ever

1:31:13

again and that's what I've been told, never bring up,

1:31:15

don't do that, well then we've

1:31:18

lost. So what about the people

1:31:20

who are in this precarious position?

1:31:23

I've got some people close to me, I was just in

1:31:25

Romania a few weeks ago, interviewed Andrew for five and a

1:31:28

half hours, I was on a trip to think for two

1:31:30

and a half, I know him very well and

1:31:32

quite a lot of people, especially those really close

1:31:34

to me, don't want me to have any association

1:31:37

with them and I'm in this

1:31:39

moral dilemma because some of those people around me

1:31:41

I really respect, I've got a lot of history

1:31:43

with them, they're coming from a good place, have

1:31:45

wanted to commercially protect our interests. There

1:31:47

might be the argument, what about if

1:31:49

someone's in a position where they could lose commercial deals or

1:31:52

they could have to

1:31:55

sacrifice commercially with any association

1:31:58

to see the moral I

1:32:01

mean if you were to lose everything for speaking your truth,

1:32:03

would you still speak your truth? I don't think I would

1:32:05

have the courage to do that. Which is

1:32:07

very honest by the way. Jordan Peterson I was at

1:32:09

his seminar when I went to Columbus and he spoke

1:32:11

exactly to what you're talking about then there was a

1:32:13

question from the crowd that had been written out and

1:32:15

it was about I think it was a

1:32:18

surgeon and they were saying that they were being forced there's something

1:32:20

to do with the mass and the whole thing and they were

1:32:22

like I don't want to do this and then I'm gonna lose

1:32:24

my job if I don't it was like well He said what

1:32:26

you should do is go home and talk to your wife about

1:32:28

it and decide because you have two situations You can do what

1:32:30

you morally you think is right and lose all your money

1:32:33

Or you can do what you don't think is right and

1:32:35

keep it off But which is better and he says I

1:32:37

don't have the answer for you that is for you to

1:32:39

decide with your loved ones Will they

1:32:41

be still there for you? Would

1:32:43

they not if you're dating somebody who was only

1:32:45

dating you for your money and you

1:32:47

say, you know I can't live with myself if I don't

1:32:49

make this call I'm gonna lose all this money that I

1:32:52

have and they say I don't want

1:32:54

to be with you Then were they really with you ever

1:32:56

if they were only there with you for your money and

1:32:58

they couldn't live through that I mean, I feel like they

1:33:00

should support you no matter what and so that decision I

1:33:02

think every person has to make I don't know if I

1:33:05

would be strong enough to do it I would like to

1:33:07

think I would but I don't know that unless it actually

1:33:09

happens I think most people would just say of course I

1:33:11

would I would never do that Same thing like would you

1:33:13

take steroids if you knew you could be a multi-millionaire in

1:33:15

a movie and you're like I'm against steroids But if you

1:33:17

were offered that contract said put on 20 pounds of muscle

1:33:20

You'll be the next actor in this thing and you're an

1:33:22

actor. You're probably gonna do it many people say no I

1:33:24

would never do it. I used to say I

1:33:26

would never take steroids But then I just seeking

1:33:28

steroids. Yeah, so I can't sit here and say I'm better

1:33:30

than anyone I would do this I don't know if I'd

1:33:32

have the courage to do that. No, but I think it's

1:33:35

a really great debate to have and

1:33:37

because some people they don't get the choice I'm

1:33:40

friends with quite a lot of people who've been counseled

1:33:42

because We seem to go on

1:33:44

well and they seem to be attracted to my show

1:33:46

and whilst there probably were some warning signs along the

1:33:48

way Maybe if they were doing

1:33:50

it again, they'd be able to see them But ultimately it's

1:33:53

too fucking late because they got counseled and then had to

1:33:55

think about these things and have these discussions But

1:33:57

then it's too fucking late. I was tried the

1:33:59

tried to cancel me from my own YouTube

1:34:02

channel talking about the IPV. They did

1:34:04

copyright strikes on my videos, the videos

1:34:06

I talked about, Women's Bikini. And

1:34:08

I'm like, but I didn't break any of the fair use of

1:34:11

YouTube. But the first video they copyright

1:34:13

strike, they allowed it. They tried it again.

1:34:15

He said it was a copyright strike ever, but it wasn't. YouTube

1:34:18

actually was on my side. And they defended my right

1:34:20

to say what I did. So they didn't know what

1:34:22

they were supposed to do, which I was very nervous.

1:34:24

So I didn't dare post more than one

1:34:26

video that they could strike at the same time because I

1:34:28

didn't want to get canceled. But at the same time, I

1:34:30

don't want the videos to not be

1:34:33

made. So what I did is I posted one video every

1:34:35

day. And then I deleted it after day when the viewership

1:34:37

would go down. So I only had one video. So I

1:34:39

was able to kind of do both things at the same

1:34:41

time. I was able to get my opinion out, but not

1:34:44

so much that gave them the opportunity to cancel me. And

1:34:46

so once they did copyright strike me, YouTube decided, no,

1:34:48

you're allowed to do what you did. And so in the end,

1:34:51

it worked out, thankfully,

1:34:53

but I could have been canceled. So

1:34:55

when you say you post it for a day, is that

1:34:57

because you'll get a day or two views before it all

1:35:00

gets picked up? 150,000 views

1:35:02

in a day. And then maybe you'll get 10,000 after that.

1:35:04

And it's the view. And then the next video, it's the

1:35:06

same topic and get another 150,000 views, the same topic with

1:35:10

a different video. I'm seeing it. One video is

1:35:12

me yelling about it. Another video is me calmly

1:35:14

talking about it. Another video is talking about some

1:35:16

women's opinions on it. It was a

1:35:18

lot of drama in the fitness industry. Like everyone

1:35:21

was talking about my video about women's bikini because

1:35:23

I said it's very sexual. Not all

1:35:25

women want to pose in the thong in

1:35:27

clear, clear heels. For example, if you're

1:35:29

a professional, maybe you're a doctor, a teacher,

1:35:31

a mother, maybe you're not comfortable doing that,

1:35:33