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This is huge. How do

0:41

you tap into anger and then not stay angry

0:43

for the day or the week and ruin your

0:45

life? I don't know. I haven't figured that out yet.

0:50

Because I've seen you today. Yeah, go in anger

0:53

that quick and then out of anger that quick.

0:55

Yeah, you control it rather than Yeah, massively. I

0:57

do have control. I am very good at using

1:01

anger as a an

1:03

energy resource. Is that

1:05

how you see it as an anger as

1:07

an energy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And

1:10

it can switch you on. It's

1:12

not, I think because you go

1:14

into it, consciously knowing

1:17

what the purpose of it is, you can

1:20

control it. It's not. It's

1:22

almost like a false energy,

1:25

but it really does work. You

1:27

know, that mindset you get yourself

1:29

into a sort of short term

1:31

release, because you can only just grasp it.

1:34

And then you use it. And then once it's gone, it's gone. And

1:36

then and then you think happy thoughts and you're in

1:38

a good place again. Yeah, because a lot

1:41

of people think anger is bad. But what you

1:43

because you got me in a state

1:45

of anger a couple of

1:47

times. Yeah, you did. And

1:51

then afterwards, I stood up and I went dizzy.

1:53

And I was fine. Yeah, yeah. So

1:56

because you released it. Yeah. So I

1:58

think therefore anger isn't bad. I

2:00

don't think any emotion is bad as long as

2:02

you can control it. I know it sounds

2:04

really deep and, and strange, but I think especially learning

2:09

over the last few years, how

2:12

to bring emotion to

2:14

the forefront, through acting has

2:16

really allowed me to put that into everyday use.

2:19

Um, especially training. It really has

2:21

helped because you can switch yourself

2:24

on in a different way and

2:26

get yourself into what many people will

2:28

understand called the zone. And use

2:31

memories or feelings or you

2:33

can use success. I, I, for

2:35

some reason, I just prefer to use failure

2:38

and anger to

2:40

get into a zone. I just enjoy it more.

2:43

So you're actually evoking through

2:45

free will. Yeah. Your

2:48

deepest pains to get stronger.

2:51

Not necessarily to get stronger, but to perform.

2:54

Okay. Because not every... So

2:56

to deliver the maximum outcome, output.

2:58

Yeah. Is that

3:00

not dangerous? It could be. I'm not advising this.

3:02

I'm saying it's what I do. Disclaimer.

3:06

What's it enjoyable? It's

3:08

enjoyable. What was it for you? Actually,

3:10

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you told me

3:13

not to say where I went, but I went to

3:15

somewhere when I was 11, feeling

3:17

my deepest pain and hatred. And actually

3:19

it really was enjoyable to

3:22

go there because I was so

3:24

in that emotion. I

3:26

didn't even see your face and you were there.

3:29

And you got a pretty imposing face. Yeah.

3:31

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even see it. Yeah,

3:34

exactly. But then afterwards I thought, I think

3:36

I probably lifted or pushed more

3:38

than I might've done before. And

3:41

the thing is as well, what I like to do is you

3:44

asked me earlier, how do you get out of

3:46

it? I think the way that you subconsciously get

3:48

out is that you're a stronger person now than

3:50

you were when you were 11. So

3:52

you've progressed through life. So you can

3:54

go back, feel that emotion, use that anger, but

3:57

then go, look where I am now. So

3:59

Most people what happened. The they're like this something

4:01

happens and it triggers the emotion when when

4:03

there were eleven and they bring that baggage

4:05

food your most. Reversing the pro Yeah Armstrong

4:07

to Armstrong Enough now to feel the emotion

4:09

to deal with it to to use it

4:11

and to me want to congratulate. Must have

4:14

Yes in in up. Subconscious.

4:16

Way can anything though trigger you know

4:18

nothing about things country give me but

4:20

not anything can to me to that

4:22

point like I have to be very

4:24

specific to get into that zone is

4:26

to face things that I can think

4:28

of the top my head would get

4:31

me in that fight or flight. so

4:33

why they are not supposed to one

4:35

hit her half of got the my

4:37

job and know that if observant a

4:39

for two hours it to me it's

4:41

of a dry up as the some

4:43

stock is just one that really affects.

4:45

Me at the time. And. Site Actually some the

4:48

happened is not imagine you know knows genuinely real.

4:50

It's gotta be a real emotion com com polls.

4:53

True motion from a false memory. Ryan

4:55

has to be something that's really true.

4:57

That you in the parties and have

4:59

to be like is no rules what

5:01

it needs to be a just these

5:03

two affected you like I I think

5:05

we might have some he summons you

5:07

past but I definitely suffered with an

5:09

depression massively. And

5:11

that pesky things apart from from allies

5:13

to the keeps me back and I

5:15

saw things to do battle Jesus. When.

5:18

I was very young, have an eating

5:20

disorder and and an illusion Mcrae errands,

5:22

losing a loved one and. That

5:26

was something that really hit me in the

5:28

earth and had depression for good six months.

5:30

And that was one memory. I mean, that's

5:32

not as part of the memory of go

5:34

To Straightaway Now because of Dell with massively

5:36

them so long without. Making

5:39

the same spike. Now I could go.

5:42

He could be some city like. Special.

5:44

Such median and as. The. in at

5:47

him and she on social media just

5:49

just ma'am just remembering a few the

5:51

occasions where people would say stuff that

5:53

you will put you down all black

5:55

legacy heights it yes had negatives what

5:58

you family or your decisions the way

6:00

you look, and for me it's more I bring

6:03

it back and then I... you sort

6:05

of thing. Watch this, now

6:07

capture. I suppose it's quite egotistical

6:09

as well in a way because you're showing off what

6:11

you can do now versus what they can do using

6:14

that one. Yeah. But like I

6:16

said, when you go into a session for me it's

6:18

about owning the session, owning the space, owning the

6:21

gym and being accountable and I know that you're going

6:23

in there to be the best of the best. So

6:26

ego is not a problem for me. As long as you're

6:28

not there, you're there, being arrogant

6:30

and showing off and so it's not

6:33

that part of it. It's more confidence.

6:36

Be confident in your session.

6:38

Be confident in what you're doing. Attack

6:40

the session. And that's what I

6:42

love about training the most is being able to

6:45

go in, feel good, feel

6:48

aggressive, feel strong, feel... I think

6:50

it's quite a masculine trait. I

6:52

really do. I don't think everyone will understand it.

6:55

I don't think every... I'm not saying like women

6:57

can't understand it. I'm

6:59

not saying that every single man would understand it, but there's

7:01

certain individuals that would feel

7:03

that old fashioned

7:05

masculinity where it's one

7:07

on one fight. Let's go. And that's definitely who he

7:09

meets. He must have seen as well. I can see

7:12

it in him. He's just boisterous. Boisterous

7:14

is the word. He just wants to... He's

7:16

just like a mini version of me, which I

7:18

find great. And I

7:21

really love that in him because I think

7:24

with the right guidance, the right help, he

7:26

could be very, very much do what I

7:28

didn't manage to do. So I know

7:30

you said it's hard to trigger you,

7:32

but if you're in the gym and someone's on their phone

7:34

for 15 minutes and not doing any

7:36

sets, can that trigger you? Yeah, it triggers me

7:39

in two ways. Because we talked about it earlier

7:41

and I could see you get angry. Yeah, it

7:43

triggers me in two ways. One,

7:45

it triggers me because I want to... If I

7:47

want to use the equipment. And two, it triggers

7:49

me because I'm thinking you have been so

7:52

unproductive and that frustrates.

7:54

I can't stand being around people that aren't

7:56

trying to be the best version of them.

7:58

And I know it sounds... really lame

8:02

and it shouldn't affect me but I just look at

8:04

people like why are you wasting time? Why

8:06

are you in here wasting time? Because if I'm

8:08

seeing you not giving everything to me it rubs

8:10

off negatively and I shouldn't get distracted by it

8:13

but I do get distracted by it because it

8:15

just winds me up. There's quite a

8:17

few things that trigger me like that that

8:19

can turn me into a bit of

8:21

a drama queen, what else? Food

8:24

is one of them. I know that sounds bad

8:27

but like when people moan about

8:29

how they look or how they feel and

8:31

then the next breath they're eating a burger

8:33

or some chips or stuff. What are you

8:35

eating up for then? Then you sit there

8:37

and waste five minutes of my life telling

8:39

me how you feel bad about yourself and then go and shove

8:41

that down your throat. What's the logic in that? That drives me

8:44

insane because then they'll have a go at me for telling them.

8:46

Look I don't care if

8:49

however you look or what you feel

8:51

like that's your problem and

8:54

in a good or a bad way. It doesn't

8:56

impact me but when you moan feel

8:58

like this or look like this and then I call you up on it

9:00

and then you tell me off according you up on it. Like

9:03

don't put it into my don't bring it into my energy system

9:05

then that triggers me. And do

9:07

you think people have become a little bit more

9:09

weak and entitled in the last few years? Yes

9:12

because we've allowed it. What have

9:14

we allowed? Well we haven't

9:16

allowed freedom to speech properly. You

9:18

know honestly I'm not going to get down that route because it's a

9:21

proper rabbit hole but you think about it

9:23

you have to everyone has to be

9:25

accepted and everyone has to be welcomed and everyone has to

9:27

be this map which is lovely but it's not realistic. And

9:30

people are going to be in such

9:32

shock when they go into the real world of

9:35

oh I can't win every game. No

9:37

you can't. You have to put the hard work and

9:39

you have to do the distance you have to do

9:41

the hard work and I'm sorry but you're not going

9:44

to get rewarded for failing. Oh but they said I

9:46

could. Yeah well then welcome to

9:48

the real world. And

9:50

that's the truth. Like you can't

9:52

come first if you don't put the work

9:54

in. Yeah at school there's no first

9:56

place. There's no competition. Why? Or we

9:59

don't want them to feel when the women don't win. Well

10:01

what do they feel like when they go out in the real world

10:03

and they don't win? Competition for

10:05

me is massively important, like massively

10:08

important. So winning is important?

10:10

Winning is everything. It really

10:12

is and anyone that's taking part isn't everything.

10:15

Taking part is important because you need to

10:18

learn to lose because learning to lose makes

10:20

you want to win. That's the reality of

10:22

it and that's the winners mindset. You

10:24

could have a... not everyone can be a

10:27

winner but it doesn't hurt to want to

10:29

be a winner. There's

10:31

an old fashioned saying where you shoot for

10:33

the stars and if you achieve something

10:36

up there you've done well. Same thing. Try

10:38

and win. But if you enter a

10:41

competition where there's no winner, well you're not going to try. And

10:43

if you don't try, what's the point? I'd

10:45

rather my kids

10:47

go into competition with placings and

10:49

come last and have that

10:51

feeling of losing because next time they won't want

10:53

to feel that again rather than everyone finish

10:56

the same place because there's no point going back.

10:59

No. No, in a way if there's equality.

11:02

I remember watching a golf documentary in one

11:04

of the most famous golfers in the world

11:06

said you've got to learn how to lose

11:09

before you can learn how to win. Yeah. And if

11:11

we're saying everyone's equal is just going to be taking

11:13

part, no one learns how to lose. No. And

11:16

it's the same as the mindset thing we spoke about

11:18

briefly. For me it's really

11:20

important that you

11:23

learn good and bad. You learn

11:25

to win and lose because that gives you the

11:27

energy when it really counts. Losing is not the

11:29

be all and end all. It's just that it

11:32

is what it is. But winning is

11:34

the be all and end all. So if

11:36

you can use the lesson that

11:38

you learn through a loss to

11:41

drive you forward for a win, that's

11:43

what it's all about. If you win, if

11:46

you were to be world's strongest man,

11:49

right? It's a long shot. Listen,

11:51

listen to me. If

11:53

you win world's strongest man, or twist

11:56

it round, we've got to meet your friend Eddie. times,

12:01

I hope he doesn't watch this, how

12:04

many times has Eddie lost World's

12:06

Strongest Man? Oh what, seven

12:08

times? I don't know. Five times? I don't know.

12:11

Ten times? I don't know. How many times has

12:13

he won? Once? Yeah. Yeah.

12:16

Are you sure? That he's won once?

12:18

Yeah. I'm not sure but I think. Yeah. I

12:20

think he's only won once. You're correct. Yeah. You

12:22

remember the win not the loss? Yeah. He

12:25

must have had to have lost since

12:27

he was 15 years old. And to win,

12:29

you have to not, once

12:32

in a blue moon does someone win every single

12:34

game they play. No one remembers your losses, they

12:36

remember your wins. Yeah. You

12:38

know who won, I don't follow football but who

12:40

won the Premier League last year? Not

12:43

Liverpool. I don't remember, but if they

12:45

did, you'd remember it. And

12:47

you don't remember their lucky games,

12:49

their bad games, you remember if they won

12:51

or lost. Yeah. It's all

12:53

about winning. Most people could remember first, no

12:55

one will remember second, no one will remember

12:58

to win. Because it's not important, it's irrelevant.

13:00

Yeah. Second and last place are the same.

13:02

What did they say second is the first?

13:04

First last. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. And

13:06

that's my mindset with it

13:09

all. And it's not easy, it's

13:11

not an easy mindset to have because it makes you a very

13:13

difficult person to be around at times. It

13:15

can make you very bipolar. Your energy levels

13:17

could be through the roof or they could

13:19

be on the floor. Because

13:22

you want to be the best version of yourself and

13:24

everything that you do and it's not possible. But

13:27

using that, when I'm at my worst,

13:29

when I'm at my lowest point, my

13:32

most depressed, is when I'm

13:34

at my best point for progression. Wow, that

13:36

is a paradox to get your head round.

13:38

Because I was just actually going to ask

13:40

you, are you trying

13:42

to be the best or are you trying to be

13:44

happy? And what you've said sounds like being happy is

13:46

really bad for being the best. Yeah, it is because

13:49

you're soft. And you stop.

13:51

Yeah, it's true. Wow. That's the paradox I don't

13:53

think many people can get their head round. Because

13:55

they don't. I think

13:57

the problem is in today's world, happiness. is

14:00

so, I'm still looking

14:02

for false. Yeah. And

14:04

it's like it's the outcome of life. Everyone seems at

14:06

the moment to think that happiness is the outcome of

14:08

life. But no one does

14:10

anything when they're happy. No, no you don't. Happiness

14:13

doesn't drive you forward. Happiness is

14:15

complete in the game. And once again it's

14:17

complete you've got no purpose. So happiness

14:19

is not having happiness so

14:22

you can chase the happiness and then

14:24

once you've got the happiness there's no happiness

14:26

anymore. Yeah, pretty much. Happiness

14:28

leads to depression. Yeah, yeah. Well

14:31

actually one of my mentors said I gave up

14:33

happiness years ago because it made me so down

14:35

depressed. Yeah, it's true because

14:38

there's no drive. Why don't people

14:40

understand this? That's why I'm miserable

14:42

all the time. You laugh a

14:44

lot though, you're not that bad. Now I'm not miserable

14:46

at all but I have constantly have... It's

14:50

not black and white that statement. Having

14:53

constant goals is what's

14:55

important to bringing happiness because it's

14:57

achieving where my true

15:00

happiness comes from. Setting

15:02

obnoxious goals that people

15:04

think are ridiculous to achieve and

15:06

then achieving it that's happiness. So

15:09

does it make you feel good when you set

15:11

an obnoxious goal and people think you're obnoxious? Be

15:13

honest, does that motivate you? Yeah.

15:16

So will you actually share your goals? Because I know some people don't

15:18

want to share their goals. They don't want people to share their goals.

15:21

I shared my goals initially with

15:25

close friends in this very,

15:28

very room. This gym used to

15:30

be a working gym but I

15:32

took over when I was 21 years old to 21 years ago. That

15:36

was half your life ago? Yeah, half my life ago

15:38

I took over this place and painted it with my

15:40

hands. It's never looked like this when I first got

15:43

it. And I remember eight,

15:45

nine years ago saying to my clients, I

15:48

want to work in Hollywood, I want to be an actor. It's

15:51

just something to contribute. What a drama school. It's

15:58

all the drama school. 25

16:01

stone. I want to be an

16:03

actor in Hollywood. Yeah, alright mate. I think

16:05

more chance of being a lawyer. You know?

16:07

Yeah. And I

16:09

remember, I remember it like it was yesterday.

16:11

I came into, I came into here.

16:14

It was 5.45 and one

16:16

of my, one of my older lady clients

16:19

looked at me and I got this tattoo just put

16:21

on. She went, you've ruined your life. You're never gonna

16:23

get a job now like that. I looked

16:25

through and I'll be alright. And

16:28

then, oh eight, nine years old I'm here. So

16:30

I was right. Yeah. Well it's probably good that

16:32

you couldn't get a normal job. I never wanted

16:35

a normal job. From the day I left the

16:37

university I never wanted to work for anyone else.

16:40

I never wanted a normal job. I just can't, I

16:43

was thinking about this from the way

16:45

in. I really struggle keeping appointments sometimes.

16:47

I'm so all over the place. Like

16:49

you need to work around my schedule or it doesn't work.

16:52

Which isn't a great way to be but it's just the way

16:54

I am. So there's two things we covered earlier

16:56

I want to come back to. Depression and

16:59

energy. Let's start with depression. Andrew Tate says

17:01

depression isn't real. What do you think? I'd

17:05

say, I'd say what people believe in is

17:07

real. You know, a word is a word

17:09

isn't it? It doesn't mean anything. I'd

17:12

definitely say that people

17:14

feel good or feel bad. But I think there's a

17:16

reason they feel good or feel bad. What

17:20

would be more interesting to me was what did

17:22

we use for the word depression 30, 40 years

17:24

ago? Because I don't think it was

17:26

around. The word? Well now

17:28

people if they have a bad day it's depression and

17:30

go to the doctor and get some help. But it's

17:33

the same as winning and losing. It's the same as

17:35

not having a winner. It's an easy

17:37

answer to a problem that it's

17:39

not, it's just mask in

17:42

my opinion. Like you said,

17:44

if someone's had a bad day it's depression.

17:46

Well it's not really. That's not depression. Everyone

17:48

has a bad day. Of course they do.

17:50

Life. Look I am

17:52

convinced I was very, well if

17:54

not having a breakdown was very close to having a

17:56

breakdown and I nearly ended up in a hospital on

17:58

a drip. I act as a

18:01

psychologist about the fact I was about 1% body

18:03

fat and I couldn't function and I lost all

18:05

appetite for life and wanted to die. That

18:08

could be half the depression, I guess. Do

18:10

you think that was driven by the physical or the

18:13

mental? Mental, 100%. 100% of lost purpose. But

18:17

at 1% body fat, you must have looked

18:19

ripped. No, I looked dead. Oh. Yeah, absolutely

18:21

gone. I could probably find a picture and

18:24

show you like people don't realise the hell

18:26

I went through. What was this for? I

18:29

just had a breakdown. So it

18:31

wasn't training for anything? No, God, no, no,

18:33

no, it was a legit breakdown. I've lost

18:35

my career, I've lost my granddad, I've lost

18:38

a lot of things in the short space of time.

18:41

I was like 19 years old and

18:43

I didn't know how to deal with it. So

18:45

I stopped eating, trained even harder and

18:48

just lost weight daily. And then I got myself

18:50

into a point where I couldn't put weight on

18:52

and it was a horrible

18:54

place to be. Couldn't get off the sofa. I

18:57

remember going to the library with my mum

18:59

and collapsed. Right outside the charity

19:01

shop, ironically. Collapsed

19:03

into the shop. And then I was like,

19:05

took to the doctors and he said, if you

19:07

don't start eating this week, you're going to be

19:09

on a drip. And I was like, oh, that

19:11

woke me up. And then all of

19:14

a sudden it just clicked, I need a goal. I

19:16

need a purpose. Like I'd always been so

19:18

cold, obsessed and driven. As a kid from

19:20

the age of 11, 12,

19:23

my only success in life was being good

19:25

at something. My only internal

19:28

feeling of happiness was

19:31

to be congratulated on how good I was

19:33

at cricket or how good I was at athletics

19:36

or running or throwing. Or it was always

19:39

something I was good at. I always stood

19:41

out from the crowd. I was a huge

19:43

kid, very powerful. And I was always good

19:45

at sport, whether that be football, whether it

19:47

be cricket, whether it be throwing

19:50

sports, whatever it was, I was always good because

19:52

I was so much bigger than my age group.

19:55

And then going from that to not being able

19:57

to walk properly because I was

19:59

so. So the de-polity of energy and

20:03

strength was just so depressing and

20:05

to wake up and to be like

20:07

a shadow before myself, that

20:09

was hard. But

20:12

it clicked what was wrong. I need

20:14

to have this again. So

20:17

I need to be able to

20:20

set the goal that makes me feel good when I

20:22

achieve. And that's where my obsession with fitness came.

20:24

Because that was what I was good at. I could switch off, zone

20:27

out, train. I was like, oh you're big, you're

20:29

big. God you've put more weight on, you've put more weight on.

20:31

I was like, this is good. I was getting that feeling

20:34

again. But then it got to a

20:36

point where I was so big it was like,

20:39

I think I'm out, I'm done here. So

20:41

I need to learn. What's the biggest you've ever been? Jesus, 165

20:43

kilo. 165 kilo. Four was not healthy. How

20:46

many stones is that? Oh it's about 26 stone I believe. 26 stone.

20:49

26 stone, yeah 26 stone. I guess it was mostly muscle. That

20:51

was huge wasn't it? Yeah yeah yeah. It

20:54

was a big muscle. I was depressed. How did

20:56

you get that? I thought you carried it. That was

20:58

driven from, I know you were talking about depression

21:00

real but that was driven from

21:09

negative mindset. What being a

21:11

bit. And hating myself. Yeah hating myself and going to the

21:13

gym and just going, well this is my only release. What

21:16

did you hate about yourself? Look I just felt like

21:18

I failed from the sports

21:20

side of things when I was young and that was very

21:23

difficult to get over. Very difficult when

21:25

you were told you were going to be the best

21:27

in the country and then all of a

21:30

sudden overnight you're nothing. I'm

21:32

not going to, well now what am I? I'm

21:34

not someone that can deal with just being normal.

21:37

Not having. It wasn't

21:39

even not being the best at something. It was

21:41

having nothing that was the problem. I can't even

21:43

train to be the best. Is that what I

21:45

was trained for? I was academically terrible.

21:47

I was just bored. I just couldn't sit in

21:50

the classroom. Terrible. I didn't

21:52

have any interest in it at all. I'd read

21:54

a book, half page in, fall asleep. Yeah. I

21:56

could train for four hours. You know. So for me it was,

21:58

I knew where my strength was. Our weaknesses

22:00

were but not to have

22:03

any output was are endless.

22:05

Wow. So when twenty six done how does

22:07

it affect your body and in in when

22:09

it he was big he said it's trouble

22:11

breathing I never I never had that I

22:14

got vs I must have been really how

22:16

he was high at all I was hard

22:18

because well it was hard because I had

22:20

no life because my whole life was eating

22:22

and training and sleeping and eating and training

22:24

and sleeping and and the it was like

22:27

you said oh you switch on how do

22:29

you switch off I couldn't switch off so

22:31

I took the anger from the gym out

22:33

to the gym. And and

22:35

the been twenty six down with anger

22:37

is a bad place to be so

22:40

maybe we'll Your maturity now is yet

22:42

to turn it off as quick as

22:44

you can. Ten an entrepreneur of control

22:46

it more you couldn't before know because

22:48

I know outlet they must be law.

22:51

People died the strength. well they can't

22:53

control. I think I think high percentage

22:55

of people within the fitness industry especially

22:57

the strep throat have massive issues. While.

23:00

They are don't know what their post and black

23:02

men are blamed for. Everything is well what a

23:04

city worry afford to true to what upset you

23:06

when you're younger. That. Doesn't disappear.

23:09

That. Mold you who you are not

23:11

or you can learn to do It

23:13

doesn't disappear. The memory never disappear as.not.

23:16

Memory. Of emotion never disappears, there's always

23:18

a trigger a not tree it and come

23:20

back. If you close your eyes of the

23:22

got to you can break down for me

23:24

out really hurt me I did I've heard

23:26

it said that was the worst in Iraq

23:29

and for me undies really sit. On.

23:31

A to feel I need I need to feel

23:33

like a different person or many go to the

23:35

gym on when a look like the some fill

23:37

up this and because because I see these magazines

23:39

and pitches of these guys that. Always.

23:41

Smiling and have all this attention. I want to be that

23:43

person because I don't wanna be me. While. And

23:45

yeah I'm an old us and you look at going to

23:47

get there you go. Home. Still mission over

23:50

by that much of a she

23:52

to be better hundred percent and

23:54

then you as then as you

23:56

mature or you realize that the

23:58

eleven year old boy was actually

24:00

fucking wonderful news you just around

24:02

two to grow bought. If you

24:04

never went through that you wouldn't

24:06

have been allowed to grow so

24:08

you'll worst memories. Your best blessing.say

24:10

you approach depression while he I'm

24:12

member say my therapist and she

24:14

said she was was to bring

24:16

out the young Rob in always.

24:18

Get triggered. When she does that, she

24:20

said if the eleven year old Rob was sat. There.

24:23

Which sites him and I said well I'd

24:25

just be really embarrassed and she was shocked.

24:27

So. Are you saying you've learned

24:29

to love that more? Shameful. Painful.

24:33

Younger version of you have you? who

24:35

made that? yeah. I

24:37

was I wouldn't the service i

24:39

was ashamed i was angry as a

24:42

kid like i was a very angry

24:44

child because because his house cause p

24:46

some but not not in the way

24:49

of being bullied just close ally so

24:51

big i always had older kids

24:53

trying to push me around and for

24:56

me is i just had know that

24:58

you know and that not really ready

25:00

so got me to just. The

25:02

frustration of always been a non

25:04

aggressive person but when he became

25:06

pushed and pushed to push the

25:08

boost or sneeze from snoop so

25:10

hot that going through com i

25:12

think. I was. It

25:14

goes to go back. Consider younger me up

25:17

be proud of how hard I tried and

25:19

even know wasn't necessarily crisis things I tried

25:21

so hard. I'm a see that my daughter

25:24

and a a brought a brought a bit

25:26

of emotions were you and she says she'll

25:28

be stance last night is fantastic and I

25:30

sit in the whole car across the south.

25:33

She practiced to sow seeds to the eleven

25:35

years old and it was perfect and a

25:37

sore every night practice in price in price

25:40

and and she's she's got two left feet

25:42

the I her height had but she's worked

25:44

so. Hard and she looked great. Sure

25:46

that De Groot was the best group

25:48

in a sole aim. Saw me and

25:50

her because I was never the best.

25:53

But. i would try harder than anyone else

25:55

and then she is the same the same

25:57

thing and and and it's that the But

26:00

for me, if

26:02

I was to go back, I'd just say, just keep working, because

26:05

you're going to be fucking great. Don't worry

26:07

what everyone else says, just keep that mindset and you'll

26:09

be fine. But

26:12

I think you've got to

26:14

go through hard times, you've got

26:16

to go through a loss

26:19

to learn how to win. It's

26:21

the same with you. If

26:24

your life was easy as an 11 year old,

26:26

you'd probably not have half of

26:28

what you have now. And I

26:31

would prefer to go through hard

26:33

times as a kid, so I could

26:36

develop into a strong adult and

26:38

enjoy life. Because how long are you

26:40

a kid for? Not long, in

26:42

retrospect. Yeah, people have had an easy childhood

26:44

of kids until they're 65. Yes!

26:47

We all know those people. Yeah, but then they're never...

26:50

You need to learn to let go, because what's

26:52

given you that... What's

26:54

given you success is the energy from that event. Capture

26:58

that energy, but allow yourself

27:00

to congratulate yourself for achieving what

27:02

you've got. That's where

27:04

I'm at. It's like, that was horrendous and it

27:06

was horrible and that time of my life I

27:08

hate. But if I didn't experience

27:11

that, I wouldn't have my superpower today. So

27:13

do you intentionally find hard shit and just

27:15

go straight to it? Or do you still

27:17

sometimes try and avoid it? No, go straight

27:20

to it. With confidence. Because

27:22

it can't touch me. And

27:25

that's what keeps me focused. How

27:27

can people do that? Because I think a lot of people are

27:29

avoiding all the hard things. In reality, on

27:31

the other side of the hard things is the good

27:33

life. Yeah. So how can

27:35

people face things, their demons, the stuff that

27:38

they find really hard, whether it's conflict or

27:40

having to fire someone or getting in shape

27:42

when they know they want to. How

27:45

can they just face the hard? Because it's

27:47

hard. Go left to everyone's right.

27:49

Stop being a pussy. It sounds

27:52

brutal but it's the truth. Sounds

27:56

Brutal. But it's the truth And it's the truth why not everyone

27:58

will find happiness or success. Because the

28:00

to. Fight it when old

28:02

you take complete failure and you've tasted

28:04

as shit the floor tastes doing else

28:06

can skate you are of the only

28:08

deutsche was. Grew. Up dramatic than at

28:10

that age I was lost at think of and you

28:13

have been fucking homeless and broke can be was. News.

28:16

And I use that memory how to not once

28:18

taste that again. And I know if if

28:20

I don't do this now. Ah, Could potentially

28:22

stop them Backwards Nuts. Never. Be

28:25

like so we the kids the are

28:28

you trying cause I have the so

28:30

difficult position. When. My kids

28:32

a glamour thing they want a long

28:34

time I arrived little fucker and I

28:36

remember the i'm writing them. It is

28:38

not their fault. Nargis, my family, doctors

28:40

and they are you trying to get

28:42

hungry myself? B S Are you trying

28:44

to tell us you're aware that you

28:46

could be giving the privilege Or are

28:48

you a trying to challenge them? A

28:50

lengthy topic you having struggles with your

28:52

watches. My wife just wants to love

28:54

them and protect them yet and up

28:56

enough. One mom's aspire to death and

28:58

I'm like these guys need some Fiat

29:00

Yep Yep Yep. Know I totally agree

29:02

with everything is signs like I am.

29:06

It's difficult because ago three autistic shot

29:08

eleven year old and all of a

29:10

sudden daddy's changing the rules and they

29:12

can't stand it. But they're having to

29:14

not summers The three Six Rob the

29:16

eldest one's having to earning money now.

29:18

And and see are instantly ma call

29:21

us with to lobby for it's for

29:23

i was a big city see clean

29:25

the inside of my car and she

29:27

our pocket money and and need to

29:30

understand that money just doesn't get given

29:32

to because at the moment she's doesn't

29:34

get that. I. am my fault no

29:36

it's not my fault completely as her she

29:38

is an otherwise and free for months come

29:40

back as from a small i'm gonna feel

29:42

guilt the have not been that muslims go

29:45

to system yeah and cia and and athena

29:47

you're you're very self aware those emotions and

29:49

off to yeah no i'm massively and i'm

29:51

i'm trying to still give them everything but

29:53

because that on to yeah given a chance

29:55

to yeah i talk about it are very

29:57

good sit down and and speak to I

29:59

said to her, look, just because

30:01

you're not going to get it. And the last

30:04

couple of months, she hasn't got what she wants.

30:06

And it has got some arguments and whatnot. But

30:09

then I sit there and explain it to her and I say, look,

30:11

look at your friends. Look what they get. Look

30:13

what you get. And then tell

30:15

me that it's not fair. Now, if you

30:18

want this, I want you to want it. It's fine. I

30:20

have no issue with kids wanting the whole lot. But

30:22

you've got to earn it. Learn how to earn that and

30:25

you can have it. Learn how to earn

30:27

money. I also I also

30:30

try to almost pay them

30:32

to do homework. That sounds really bad. But

30:35

I am happy if she wants to spend an extra

30:37

hour reading or doing something.

30:39

I'll reward her financially for that. So

30:41

you're not paying her to do homework.

30:44

You're rewarding her for extra herself through

30:46

challenges. Yeah, because that's life. That is

30:48

life. So you get rewarded for doing

30:50

something. You don't progress. You don't. Yeah,

30:52

you don't get given anything unless you're

30:54

on benefits. So if

30:56

you raise entitled children, you're

30:59

teaching them that the way they get

31:01

money is to be on benefits. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

31:03

yeah. 100 percent. And my my things, I don't

31:05

mind them having things. I don't mind them being

31:08

spoiled. That spoiled has

31:10

to come from them spoiling themselves. But you

31:12

can't be spoiled. Rewarding is something

31:14

you worked hard for. Yeah, I mean, it depends what

31:16

you what you look at it as. But yeah, 100

31:18

percent like, you know, some people say, I know what

31:20

car you've got but you've got seven of them. You've

31:23

got you've got your spoiled. No, I

31:25

know. No one bought them for

31:27

me. So that's not spoiled.

31:30

But that's what I'm saying. In some

31:32

people's minds, you're spoiled. Yeah, but that's

31:34

because they don't know what I did. That's what I'm saying.

31:37

100 percent. I have no issue. I have no

31:39

issue of you having six, seven, 10,

31:41

20 cars, whatever, if you want them. That's your

31:43

right to buy them. You've earned

31:45

that. Yeah. And I don't mind my kids

31:47

having things if they've earned it. I mind

31:49

them having things I've given to them and

31:51

they don't understand the hardship and value

31:53

that goes behind it. That's my

31:55

issue. So what's the biggest BS

31:59

in the world of fitness? strength. You

32:01

can't constantly... all

32:04

of it. My biggest problem is that people

32:10

keep trying to rewrite the book. Fitness

32:13

is not rocket science. Come on, we're

32:15

not trying to produce bloody... take away

32:18

elite athletes and then you look at

32:20

the fitness community and you've just got... people just

32:22

want to be healthy. It's not rocket science,

32:24

you know? It's not rocket science. Learn good

32:27

form and then follow basic programs.

32:29

Eat well and that's it. But

32:31

because people are constantly trying to make extra money, constantly

32:33

trying to sell the dream to people, they come up

32:36

with all these new methods

32:38

of doing X, Y and Z.

32:40

Train hard, eat clean, enjoy

32:42

life, be consistent. That's the

32:44

secret but doesn't sell as well. Training

32:47

hard doesn't sell well. I

32:50

work with a few clients because I fucking

32:52

genuinely love working with people, right? You see

32:54

it in my passion. So

32:56

I've got maybe 11, 12 people that I work with

32:59

still. Keep it quiet but still work with just because

33:01

I enjoy doing it. They

33:03

are not following anything that's rocket science.

33:05

They are just around me so they

33:07

see and feel my NGO mindset. That

33:09

gets them their results. Do you think

33:11

the world's changing a bit now where people are like...

33:13

People are like, yeah, a lot.

33:15

We did talk about billion years last

33:18

third. But I hear you.

33:20

I've been in the sort

33:23

of, I suppose, wealth creation space for

33:25

nearly two decades and I've seen so

33:27

much bullshit over the time. And yeah,

33:29

the fundamentals work. But it used to

33:31

be sold on passive income, be lazy,

33:34

make millions. But now people are

33:36

getting it and they're saying, work fucking hard,

33:38

outwork everyone else. And I sort of feel

33:40

like maybe some of the fundamentals are coming back.

33:43

Are you seeing that a bit? In fitness? Yeah. I

33:45

don't know. I don't really watch it. I don't have

33:47

time to watch it. In all honesty,

33:49

I don't have time to watch someone else training.

33:52

No. I know it's training.

33:54

Yeah. I don't need to watch someone

33:56

else do it. What about in people's

33:58

attitude? You're still training? people, do they

34:00

want to come and work hard? No, I

34:03

don't train. I train with people. I don't

34:05

train people. No. What

34:07

I do do with a few people is some

34:10

stuff online just for fun. Because

34:12

for me, it's weird. You build a relationship with

34:14

them, so you kind of, especially

34:16

how I live my life, it keeps me

34:19

busy, which is quite cool. But

34:22

actually training people, it's very difficult

34:24

to find someone that trains with my energy. Very

34:27

difficult. We spoke about this earlier. There's very

34:30

few people that could train me. And

34:34

when I do get that, I definitely enjoy

34:36

it. Is there anyone you know could train

34:39

you? Anyone out there? I

34:41

don't mean this on a knowledge point either. I'll just

34:43

put it on a physical air.

34:45

Like getting you to the next level.

34:47

Yeah. Yeah, like getting in my face

34:50

and understanding my

34:52

triggers and getting me to push hard. There's

34:55

not many people I've trained with in the past.

34:57

But even professionals that have managed

34:59

to switch me on in that way, I

35:02

think because I'm kind of different from a lot of

35:04

people. And is that because they haven't got the skills or just they don't

35:06

know you well enough? No, neither.

35:08

Or just a

35:11

fusion of energy, really. I

35:13

am very highly driven and

35:15

need someone that can go

35:18

a little bit crazy. And I think I can

35:20

be intimidated when I train. So I think

35:22

finding someone who has no issue

35:24

of being intimidated and being able to

35:26

stand up to it. Maybe

35:28

like a military type person. Yeah. Yeah,

35:30

in all honesty. Is it normal

35:33

that my fucking body's shaking now?

35:36

Yeah. We can finish our session on it and just

35:38

start... Absolutely.

35:41

Because you normally train like an 11-year-old.

35:46

Can you edit that bit out, David? Yeah, yeah,

35:49

yeah. You

35:51

talked about energy earlier. Talk

35:53

about energy and people's energy and what kind

35:55

of energy you don't like and what kind

35:57

of energy you do like. And

36:00

why is energy so important to you? I

36:02

think energy is the driver to life. And

36:05

for me, being around like-minded people and

36:07

ambitious people is key, absolutely key.

36:09

And I think negative people drain

36:12

you, like absolutely

36:14

destroy you. Oh,

36:17

honestly, it's a big problem. It's

36:19

a very big problem. And I think when

36:22

you go through life and you get older, you

36:25

realize it more and more, but sometimes it can become difficult

36:27

to get out of that situation. So you need to learn

36:30

to deal with it. But I do think energy

36:32

is, energy

36:34

of individuals is definitely transferable.

36:38

Like when I get around people, especially

36:40

on a film set actually, when you're

36:43

around, what's

36:45

the word I'd use for actors, artistic energy,

36:49

you can guarantee you're always gonna have fun. Because

36:52

they're just big kids

36:54

that enjoy life and they're living the dream

36:56

and they appreciate. I

36:59

wouldn't say they appreciate what they get. Sometimes some

37:01

of them can be a little bit, what's

37:04

the word I'm looking for? Diva? Not

37:07

so much diva, just naive to reality.

37:09

Right. Especially actors that have been doing it

37:11

from a young age and don't really understand real life. I used

37:13

to work seven, eight pound per hour. I

37:16

understand how hard life is. Yeah.

37:19

And I got into acting a

37:21

lot later on, but child

37:24

actors that go from earning

37:26

a couple of hundred thousand pounds at the age of

37:28

seven or eight. Yeah. They

37:31

don't quite get what it's like to work

37:33

for money, but the energy around

37:35

them, the

37:37

joy for life, the energy for life, and

37:40

the optimism, that's a fantastic energy to

37:42

be around. Optimism and

37:45

ambition is a brilliant combination

37:47

for me. I like being around

37:49

that. Yeah. And are you ruthless if

37:52

people bring shit energy to you? I.E.

37:54

You don't want any of it. Yeah. I

37:56

really try to be. I really, really do try

37:59

to be like I. Now, I'm very

38:02

careful who I allow into my

38:04

circle. And if there's any,

38:07

any negativity, it's, shut up, straight

38:09

away. I'll block your phone

38:11

number, I'll block your own Instagram. I just don't wanna be

38:13

around it, at all. And that doesn't mean

38:15

that they're horrible people. It just means

38:18

that, oh my God, I know, I'm in for a miserable

38:20

conversation here. You

38:22

know, everyone knows someone, you're like, well,

38:26

this is today and that, oh my God. I just

38:28

wanna be yes. I

38:30

don't wanna hear, I am not

38:32

here to listen to your

38:34

shit. It was just,

38:37

it was just more me being

38:39

polite. It wasn't a genuine question.

38:44

Because for me, like, if

38:47

I'm not all right, there's a certain

38:49

few people I'll speak to, but

38:51

they owe me that time to

38:53

be that person. I don't think you

38:56

should, and I know this is a

38:58

really weird thing to say because you

39:00

speak to someone, speak to someone, speak

39:02

out. I think there should be, there's

39:04

certain people, in my opinion, that

39:07

you give enough to that they should be there for you when you

39:09

need to speak to them. But

39:11

that's not everyone. Because just

39:14

because you're feeling crap doesn't mean you should put

39:16

it on everyone else. Do you know?

39:18

And I know that goes against what everyone's

39:20

saying about depression and speaking out and mental

39:22

health. I'm a massive advocate of talking

39:25

to people, but talk to the right people. Talk

39:28

to the right people. I have time for

39:30

a small handful of people because they will have time

39:32

for me. But I don't have time for

39:34

everyone. Yeah, because I sometimes think

39:37

there's this little thing about life that I think

39:39

about a lot, and that is how you greet

39:41

people. Because part

39:43

of me thinks, always tell everyone you're great. I've

39:46

got great energy. And then part of

39:48

me thinks, be honest. What I

39:50

started to do for a while is I used to give it a score out

39:52

of 10. How are you, Rob? I'm 8.7. I'm

39:54

7.7. Rob,

39:57

I just wanna fucking yes. Yeah. So

40:00

basically, so in reality, none

40:02

of us actually give a fuck how anyone else

40:05

is. To you. I mean, I

40:07

do care how you are, yeah. Unless what I'm saying,

40:09

right? Yeah, I do actually care.

40:11

Outside of your circle. Yeah. Outside

40:13

of your circle, be very honest.

40:15

Yeah. Someone came up to you

40:18

and the fact, I'm not talking about they're about

40:20

to kill them, I'm just one of them, they'll

40:22

just feel crap. Yeah. I've had a really bad

40:24

day, as you know, what's happened, oh, I messed up at work at

40:26

me, so I just feel rubbish, I feel fat, I feel all this.

40:28

But do you want to go out for some food? Well,

40:30

I'm too fucking busy anyway. Thank you. You

40:33

don't give a fuck. Are

40:37

you choosing work over a person? I

40:40

choose work over people all the time. Because that's

40:42

my mission. Thank you. Yeah, but that's not the

40:44

answer. The answer is yes or no, black and

40:46

white. Life isn't black and

40:48

white. It might be a good answer. The answer is, there's

40:50

context to everything. Outside

40:52

of your circle. You should be an interviewer.

40:54

Outside of your circle. Outside of your circle.

40:56

Alright, okay. I'm

40:59

going to give you context. If I genuinely

41:01

thought that person was really struggling, then I

41:03

would stop. This is just

41:05

someone that moans constantly. Oh no, get the fuck out.

41:07

Thank you. Because most of

41:09

them don't... They don't help themselves. Yeah,

41:11

exactly. If they came to me and they're moaning, but

41:14

they're like, Rob, I want to change under your struggle,

41:16

I'm going to give them time. Because I mentor a

41:18

lot of people who are like that. But if they're

41:20

like, fucking bathing my pity party,

41:23

my bubble bath of misery, fuck

41:25

off. That's

41:27

exactly what I'm saying. I'm not

41:29

saying be dismissive of your closest

41:31

friend. No. The point is, there

41:33

is a few nuances of context

41:36

here. A hundred? Yeah, yeah.

41:38

Two degrees. But my general... Like I said

41:40

before, I'm black and white. I

41:42

have a big heart, but I also believe you start

41:44

by helping yourself. Charity begins at home. Do you know

41:46

what I mean? Charity genuinely... If

41:49

you don't help yourself, don't expect someone else to help

41:51

you. And how can you help anyone else if you

41:53

can't even help yourself? You can't. Put

41:55

your mask on first before you do anyone else. Something's

41:58

on the air flight. But

42:01

for me, I just think, again, the world we

42:03

live in, it's kind of... You're

42:05

made to feel bad by speaking

42:08

honest. It's like, no, you shouldn't

42:10

say that. I'm like, well, the truth... Yeah,

42:12

I mean, you said the word personally, and so many

42:14

people are going to get triggered by that. Why? You

42:16

can't even say that anymore. Oh, I didn't even know.

42:18

No, and you don't even care. But

42:21

no, I agree. I don't go out to offend people,

42:23

don't get me wrong. No.

42:25

But you can be... What's wrong with honesty? I

42:28

don't think you should have to tread on water

42:30

24-7. It's like, if you don't like swimming on

42:33

TV, turn the channel. Yeah. I'm not telling people

42:35

to go out and kill each other, but I'm

42:37

just saying very honestly, it's like, you have to

42:39

wake up. I have been

42:41

in some horrendous situations, and

42:44

believe me, apart from my mum and dad, no one

42:46

else was there. That's the

42:48

reality. Well, that's when you know who really cares

42:50

about you. Of course. Looking

42:53

at that one book, actually, about six years

42:55

ago, I

42:58

had a big issue and I nearly died. What happened?

43:01

I had a blockage in Mustamuk. It was from an operation

43:03

I had when I was a child, so

43:06

it wasn't caused by anything. It was

43:08

just one of those bad luck things. And

43:11

I remember lying there in hospital. There's

43:13

dad, there's my wife and kids. What

43:17

is everyone else? And then I

43:19

had two friends that came to visit me in

43:21

the hospital. That was it. And

43:24

to me, it was like, okay, you two? They

43:26

were friends for life. That,

43:28

to me, really resonated on

43:30

the importance of understanding your

43:32

circle, understanding your time,

43:35

and I will give whatever you're prepared

43:37

to give to me. I was dying in

43:39

the hospital, and you sent me a text. It's

43:41

fine. I'll send you a

43:43

text. And I'll visit my

43:45

kids. And I'll spend that extra time

43:47

with my kids, so my wife or my mum or my dad.

43:51

That's where my time is, because I've only got

43:53

so much time. I've only got so much time to

43:55

give. I haven't got two and a half hours,

43:58

three hours to talk about you feeling. feeling bad

44:00

because you don't do X, Y and Z and

44:02

you haven't got this. I

44:05

don't want you to feel like that. I'd

44:07

rather spend time with my kids mate. Go

44:10

and find that person that's there at hospital when you're dying. Go

44:12

and speak to them. That's

44:14

the reality to me. It sounds

44:16

brutal but that's my reality. I've

44:19

been through situations where I've needed people and

44:21

there's one or two people that have

44:23

come and helped me. Those are the one or

44:26

two people that I would walk off a film

44:28

set for if they needed me tomorrow and jeopardise

44:31

my career because they would have done the

44:33

same for me. Not many people do that.

44:36

Something really sticking in my mind, completely

44:38

changed your subject here is I

44:41

think you could smash the world of influencer fighting.

44:43

If I was your manager, I'd be getting 20%

44:45

on you.

44:50

I'd be like right. You've got to go

44:52

in and take on all these guys. You

44:54

could make tens of millions. Does that interest?

44:56

Because I know it nearly happened didn't it?

44:58

It nearly did. Me and my agent

45:00

have had a very long discussion about this. Now

45:04

financially yes the problem is

45:06

I don't want to damage my

45:09

career as an actor. But

45:11

would it though? Well potentially

45:14

because I think the problem is

45:16

there's a couple of reasons for that. You

45:18

put your name down for a fight. You're training for

45:20

a fight which is six months. So you stop work.

45:23

You get injured in the fight. You can't do a job.

45:26

So I can't sign for a film if I've got to sign for

45:28

a fight because they won't ensure you. So

45:30

that automatically puts six to eight months of my life on

45:32

hold. That's how I did it

45:34

before and it all got pulled. So

45:37

I lost six months of work. And did you

45:39

train? Oh yeah ridiculously. It wasn't even about the

45:41

training. It was the financial loss and the loss

45:43

of opportunity within the film. Now my career acting

45:46

is going and I

45:48

love that. But the problem

45:50

is you're either seen as an actor or

45:53

you're seen as an influencer or a YouTuber. Not

45:55

a problem but I want to be an actor. There's

45:58

not many people that make a crosshair. between

46:01

YouTuber and a respected

46:03

actor. There is WWE and

46:06

acting but that's the nearest there

46:09

is. I think that world

46:11

of influence of fighting and YouTube it's great one

46:13

for them to make the money but I don't

46:15

know if it's my next

46:19

career move to be honest. I

46:21

don't know who to fight, who is there

46:23

to fight. There's

46:26

no, we're not at a level that makes

46:28

sense for me. Yeah. Who would you put

46:30

me against? You've got to match

46:33

size, you've got to match ability and

46:35

you've got to match level

46:38

of career because

46:40

you want someone that's gonna bring money to the table. So

46:43

someone that's either working with him film or in TV

46:45

or music, someone who's my

46:47

weight. Yeah with my experience we're not fighting

46:49

pros we're just fighting people who enjoy

46:52

training. Yeah. Are you gonna put me against? Because

46:54

I'd smash most of them. Yeah. But then put

46:57

me against the pro, I'm never gonna be a

46:59

pro, come on I'm 41 years old and I'm

47:01

an actor. Yeah. I love fitness don't get me

47:03

wrong but I'm not a professional fighter but

47:06

I can fight so where would you pitch

47:08

me? Yeah. Who would I fight? Yeah I

47:10

don't know. It'd be bloody impossible. I thought,

47:13

we have thought about it and it's like

47:15

well I could fight someone. Could you fight

47:17

Eddie? Eddie Hall. Yeah. That could be a

47:19

fight. Yeah. But then it's

47:22

a difficult one for me to

47:24

get up for because he's one of my best

47:26

mates. Yeah. And I

47:28

know Eddie as well and like it would damage our

47:30

friendship. Yeah. Because I would not want to lose and

47:32

Eddie would not want to lose and he

47:34

can't do a fixed fight because a fixed fight looks... Is

47:38

it difficult fight? Yeah. You

47:40

know I wouldn't want to fight Eddie. I wouldn't I

47:42

wouldn't want to go into a fight and not smash

47:44

someone. And you want to smash someone. I'd

47:46

love to fight for. Yeah. Yeah. You

47:49

could you could you could get

47:51

angry with Thor. Yeah. You don't like him.

47:53

I don't know him. No. No I don't. I don't. I don't.

47:55

I don't. You don't not like him. I don't

47:57

know him. I dislike him. I don't like him. I know Eddie

47:59

hates me. But I don't

48:01

know him. So that for me, I could

48:04

do. He's a big guy. Yeah, yeah, he's

48:06

a big guy. I've earned. Yeah.

48:08

That's not a problem. Is he a lot bigger than you?

48:11

I think he's weight wise. I don't think he's like

48:13

a massive leader. I mean in heavy weight, it's

48:15

like and above, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be

48:17

more than happy to take him out. Yeah. So

48:21

if everything was all the ducks in a row, you'd think about that.

48:23

I don't think Ford would fight me though. No? No,

48:25

I don't think he wants to go back into that world. No.

48:28

And again, for me, it would have to make

48:30

financial sense. It would have to make sense of

48:33

taking time off. Yeah. But I

48:35

mean, imagine if people got behind that,

48:37

it would make financial sense. I'd box for

48:39

MMA. I'd rather do MMA with him.

48:41

I would. I think that'd

48:43

be awesome. Yeah. I don't think he'd do

48:45

it. What's your number to do it? How much? He'd

48:48

have to make some serious money just because of how much

48:50

I'm making on my career at the

48:52

moment. And it's time off. I don't

48:54

need an influencer fight to be world champion. Because

48:56

people are still going to disregard, oh, it's

48:59

just four. It's like, yeah. No, it's

49:01

not just Thor though. It's a massive guy.

49:03

Yeah. He is, but it's not. And

49:05

if you're out of battle, who gives a fuck what anyone's

49:07

doing? But what I'm saying is there's no pride in that.

49:09

What, in beating him? There's no pride in that. Are

49:12

you? There's no pride in that. Why not? Because

49:15

no one's... Look, do

49:17

you think there's any pride in Mike Tyson and

49:19

Jake Paul? It depends if it's Mike Tyson and

49:21

Jake Paul. Financially phenomenal for them both. Yeah, great.

49:24

Well, I mean, if you're Mike Tyson with his financial history,

49:26

it makes a lot of sense to do. I'm not saying

49:29

it doesn't make sense. I'm

49:31

saying pride. Well, pride, more for

49:33

Jake Paul than Mike Tyson. But why?

49:36

Jake Paul can't lose because

49:39

if he wins, he wins. And if he loses, well,

49:41

it was Mike Tyson. It's a better reputational fight for

49:43

Jake Paul, isn't it? Mike

49:45

Tyson, if he loses to Jake Paul, I

49:47

mean, I know he's older. They're

49:50

not going to probably fight either. No, they're not going to.

49:52

That's what I mean. There's a way of depriving

49:54

that. But you're going to probably fight for him. I'd love to properly fight

49:56

him. Yeah. But there's no... I

49:58

don't mean these... disrespectfully to him.

50:01

He's no one to beat for

50:04

me to achieve anything so it's got to be a financial

50:06

reward. And what's nothing wrong with that though is there? The

50:09

money's right, I'll do it. But if

50:12

the money's not right there's no sense in doing it,

50:14

there's no point. What's the point? It's

50:16

just a payday. Yeah but if it's a big payday it's

50:18

a lot you can do with money. I will fight him

50:20

for a payday, 100% not because I don't

50:23

think I'd win but because there's no point

50:25

taking time out in my diary to fight him unless

50:28

I'm gonna get paid because no one's gonna turn around and go,

50:30

oh yeah you're an incredible fighter you beat four. Come

50:32

on. No but everyone knows you're not trying

50:34

to be an incredible fighter. I just want

50:36

to make money. Yeah and by the way

50:39

what's wrong with that? Nothing.

50:41

Because a lot of people think there is,

50:43

it is like. What really makes me laugh

50:45

is people criticise these fights, oh

50:47

my god I can't believe he's doing that, bum bum

50:49

bum. Make you work for 25

50:51

grand a year. Yeah I'd fight Mike Tyson for 10 million

50:53

pounds. I'd be down in the past.

50:56

You're telling me, and there's nothing wrong with working for

50:58

25,000 but what I'm saying is you're telling

51:00

me if someone offers you £500,000 for a fight

51:02

you're gonna say no. Of

51:05

course you are. Why do you think these guys

51:07

are taking it? Because they want to get paid. Yeah.

51:09

They're not doing it for any other reason apart from

51:11

making money so I've got no issue with it

51:14

at all, it just has to make sense, has

51:17

to make sense and the money at

51:19

the moment that was floating

51:21

around doesn't make sense to me. I

51:23

think I've kind of gone past where

51:25

that is. But

51:28

if it comes and the money's there, yeah 100% and I

51:30

think he would be probably one of the only ones that

51:32

would make sense to fight purely because

51:34

of his size and his history, he's

51:36

done a few. He

51:39

can stand up, I won't say if it's

51:41

good but he can stand up. But

51:43

then maybe MMA would be an interesting must do. I think

51:46

that'd be fun. Yeah. Would you keep it

51:48

on the field? Would you try and get him on the ground?

51:50

I don't know. I'd probably just... I don't know. How

51:53

do you get him on the ground? Take

51:55

his legs out. He's not that big. I mean he's big. Lots of

51:57

leg kicks. I'd

52:00

be confident. I'd

52:03

be really confident. Yeah, like I'd make it funny

52:05

But it would be fun to watch. Yeah, cuz

52:07

you know that zone I'd

52:11

be I'd be I'd you know,

52:13

you know me and I'll train well for that and

52:15

I would make that enjoyable to watch Yeah, like it'd

52:17

be a naughty fight because this is what this

52:19

pisses me off a bit about Jake Paul

52:21

I am NOT a hater about anyone. No,

52:24

I know and I respect his story in

52:26

his journey Yeah, I think some phenomenal businessmen

52:28

completely agree. So however,

52:31

and he and his opponents I

52:33

think should report more into the fights

52:35

and not just keep hugging each other I

52:37

mean Tom, you know, I know Tommy and

52:40

Tommy was a bit cagey I know he had a lot

52:42

to lose but they could have put more of a show

52:44

for Yeah,

52:47

I haven't watched any of them and to me

52:49

it's like just from outside it is

52:51

it is it a real fight or Martin

52:54

you haven't watched anything cuz no one said you've got

52:56

a fucking watch this cuz it was so good And

52:58

if they had one fight and it was so fucking

53:00

good. Yeah, then you'd watch the next

53:03

one. Yeah, that's and that's kind of where for

53:06

me like I say with the pride I

53:08

want to go in and Sure,

53:11

I'd rather just roll the dice and just go for a

53:13

big Make it entertain.

53:15

I'd rather have a script. I don't want to

53:17

win on points. I want to knock them out

53:19

Well, they're the exciting ones over. Yeah, they are

53:21

standing in the middle. Let's just go at it

53:23

Yeah, you're gonna get paid whatever could you get

53:25

not you won't even know what the fuck happened?

53:27

Yeah, let's just cuz let's just swing and see

53:29

what happens. Yeah, you know the more blood the

53:31

better cuz that's what people want to say That's

53:33

exactly what they want to see like they're all

53:35

hugging each other. Yeah, no, I'm not I'm not

53:39

Respect the skill in jujitsu, but I

53:41

wouldn't go watch it Yeah,

53:43

because it's it's it's something it's the same as

53:45

I respect a lot of sports I wouldn't watch

53:47

them take part in them because I'd

53:49

enjoy to do it I won't watch someone else

53:52

doing it. He's like so these these YouTube channels

53:54

that I've stopped my kids watching of

53:56

kids playing with toys I'm like, why do you want

53:58

watch someone play the toy? You wanna

54:00

play with your own toy? You're watching

54:02

so you stupid idiots. It's

54:05

like you look at your own kids, you

54:07

go off. Or you wanna be the YouTuber

54:09

playing with the toys, making millions. That's what

54:11

I'm saying. Why are you watching someone else

54:13

do what you should be doing? You know

54:15

when you were little, when PlayStations first came

54:17

out and we had one controller and seven

54:19

people around it. Yeah, definitely. You're

54:21

the person waiting for your friend to

54:24

finish and you enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah,

54:26

it's a bit weird. It's a weird place to be at. A

54:28

lot of people are living their life vicariously

54:31

through the experience of others. Yeah, it's sad.

54:33

Whereas I wanna be the creator. I don't

54:35

wanna be watching and scrolling and swiping. Of

54:37

course. I'm in the gym with you. We

54:40

did a workout. Yeah, of course. And

54:42

that's the scary thing

54:45

about how life's going with technology. It's

54:47

like experience. Experience real life through

54:49

a phone. Or

54:51

AI or VR. Yeah,

54:53

look at that. It's not real life.

54:56

They drive me insane. Yeah. So

54:58

I put these on and be in Barbados. Or get on

55:00

a plane and be

55:02

in Barbados. You know what I mean?

55:05

I'm gonna sit there in my lounge and

55:07

pretend I'm in Barbados. It

55:09

doesn't make no sense. No, because the people

55:11

that are really getting the experience are the people

55:13

that are selling you the fucking glasses. Like Mark

55:15

Zuckerberg making Billions. Well, yeah, making the Billions to

55:18

go and enjoy what Barbados is really like. Yeah,

55:21

you could sit there all day going, I just... There's

55:25

some things about the future and where

55:27

we are now, which is fantastic. There's

55:29

some things that you're like, why don't we just

55:31

go back 40 years? Because

55:34

that might be progress to go backwards. Of what

55:36

hundreds it would be. Which is

55:38

really sad to look at. Like

55:40

what I was talking about training. When you

55:42

go past your peak, it's very hard to get

55:44

motivated for tomorrow. But there's

55:47

so many things I look back on. And I'm sure our

55:49

parents are the same. They go, oh, it was better when

55:51

we were kids. But

55:54

I genuinely feel... When you could leave your

55:56

car and your house unlocked. You have to

55:58

worry about that. and played the

56:00

play in the village and it went dark? I

56:03

think that's the biggest one for me

56:05

is just kids being kids and being

56:07

outside and not being obsessed and glued

56:09

to technology. The worst worst

56:11

thing is the work. My

56:14

son's a great boy but he turns into

56:16

some different beast when he's on that bloody

56:18

computer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he

56:20

isolates them. Yeah. It's hard. All

56:23

right, couple of quick ones then. So honestly,

56:26

would you review my workout? So

56:29

thank you for inviting me to

56:31

your gym and training.

56:33

Really enjoyed it. It was a fun

56:35

experience. I was a bit

56:37

nervous but give me a rating. How

56:40

do you think the video is? Oh God, it's just that

56:42

rating thing again. I

56:44

don't watch other people's shows. I ain't got

56:46

time. I don't watch other people's shows.

56:49

No, I thought you did well. I thought

56:51

you did great. I didn't expect any less.

56:54

I knew that you wouldn't want to let yourself

56:56

down. I knew you wouldn't want to give up.

56:58

I knew you enjoyed training anyway. So

57:00

there was no surprise. You were

57:03

everything I expected you to be. Otherwise I wouldn't have

57:05

asked you to come down. Simple as

57:07

that. I think training is very representative

57:09

of life. If

57:12

you're a hungry, ambitious person outside of the gym,

57:14

you're hungry and ambitious inside of the gym. I

57:17

definitely believe that. A couple of

57:19

tips for me to leave here then to work on.

57:21

If I want to get a bit stronger. Food.

57:24

Energy. Recovery. Preparation.

57:27

The reason you're shaking like an addict is

57:30

because you're not prepared.

57:33

Well I haven't eaten anything since we finished. Eating

57:36

is like way down on my priority. I

57:38

know I've got to fix that. 100% yeah

57:40

because your fuel is what drives you forward.

57:45

Try and get into that mindset. Yeah, this is

57:47

the biggest takeaway for me here is I

57:49

know I can lock into that mindset when I'm in the world of

57:51

business. I've got to do what I've got to do. I

57:54

think I'm a pro. Yeah, you've taught me in

57:56

the gym how to lock in in other areas

57:58

of my life. Progressive yeah

58:01

biggest the biggest advice

58:03

I can give you is to be progressive

58:05

You won't become stronger unless you challenge yourself

58:07

more Yeah, a lot of people going to

58:09

the gym and just go through the motions

58:12

you go through the motions. You're gonna get Nowhere.

58:14

Yeah, you have to Track

58:18

you have to understand you have to

58:20

have a purpose and a goal You're

58:23

never gonna become if your goal is to

58:25

add muscle You won't become

58:27

stronger and you won't achieve hypertrophy which is

58:29

muscle growth By always

58:31

asking the body to do the same thing

58:34

if you always go into the gym and lots

58:36

of people do this And they're like I

58:38

know I can do 20 kilos on a bench, so I'm gonna warm

58:40

up on 10. I won't do 20 That's

58:43

great. What are you gonna do next week? Well? I'm gonna warm on 10. I'm

58:45

gonna do 20 okay Well back to six months

58:47

time. I'm gonna warm fun 10, and I'm gonna do 20 Well,

58:50

how's your body gonna respond because the body won't grow

58:52

because it doesn't need to Your

58:54

body will only do what it needs to do.

58:56

Yeah, it won't change if you

58:59

Track your weight and track your reps

59:01

and your rest and your recovery and you go

59:03

in and you know that right last week I

59:05

did 20 kilos so this week. I'm gonna do

59:07

22 I might only get

59:09

eight reps instead of ten, but I'm gonna do 22 kilos

59:12

until I get ten reps Yeah, and then the following week.

59:14

I want to do 25 kilo I

59:17

mean it's not as easy as that there are ways that you

59:19

will hit walls, and you can work around plateau But that's the

59:22

basics is to make sure that

59:24

each session Or each

59:27

each period of each phase

59:30

is progressive You know there will

59:32

become limits you won't always be able to get stronger, but

59:35

it doesn't mean that you can't get better Switch

59:37

this Switch

59:40

the repetition range switch the ways to do advanced

59:42

training, so you might do drop sets and what

59:44

do force reps Just

59:46

constantly challenge the body But

59:48

understand where that progression lies

59:50

because if you're not progressive You

59:53

won't move forward and that that's true of anything

59:55

in life if you don't have an

59:57

end goal. How can you achieve it? A

1:00:00

couple of quick fives before we go. Number

1:00:02

one, in fairly succinct answer,

1:00:04

how can you motivate yourself?

1:00:07

For me personally. Yeah. Goals.

1:00:09

That's my biggest motivation. Do

1:00:11

you keep setting them all the time? You set them every year, do

1:00:13

you set them every? Every

1:00:16

month there'll be something. But

1:00:18

I am very 100% on nothing. Like

1:00:22

I struggle to concentrate on more than one thing at once, so

1:00:25

I need to make sure while I do

1:00:27

concentrate on I absolutely smash. So now it's

1:00:29

just learning my character, learning my lines, and

1:00:31

that's, I'm the happiest that you'll ever find

1:00:33

me. Because I have a purpose. As

1:00:35

soon as I lose that purpose I'm terrible. I'll be

1:00:37

snappy, I can be aggressive, I can be moody, I can be

1:00:40

shrumpy, I can be, oh yeah, because I'm

1:00:42

searching and searching and searching, I need to find it.

1:00:44

And that's the time, if I never had work on,

1:00:47

that's the time, do you want to do an influencer

1:00:49

fight? Yes I do. Because I need

1:00:51

to throw myself into swing now. And within a week I'll

1:00:53

be on a plane, go and training with professionals. What

1:00:55

are you doing, you're only fighting? Yeah

1:00:58

I know but I'm gonna, and

1:01:00

if I'm training with the world's best, I

1:01:02

know I'll be able to fit in. That's just my

1:01:05

mindset. And then if anyone's

1:01:07

really struggling and falling into depression, how do you pull

1:01:09

yourself out of it? What we just spoke about.

1:01:11

Do you want to give us that? Purpose. Wow, so

1:01:13

it's the same thing. Exactly the same thing. Know how

1:01:16

to base your purpose? Out of depression, purpose. So

1:01:19

everything's purpose. Well yeah, I

1:01:21

don't understand why people don't get that. Really don't understand

1:01:23

why it's such a hard thing to

1:01:26

grasp. Everything in

1:01:28

life when you go through the whole

1:01:30

of humanity is driven by

1:01:32

purpose. Well no one ever commits

1:01:34

suicide when they have a strong purpose, do

1:01:36

they? I don't think anyone's ever done

1:01:38

that. I just don't understand why

1:01:42

all of a sudden over the last 15, 20

1:01:44

years it's become so difficult to understand how

1:01:46

to live life. And that's what's

1:01:48

really sad. And I think

1:01:50

life has become so confusing for people, they

1:01:53

just don't understand it. It's very

1:01:55

fucking simple. It's what we started

1:01:57

on in the first place is having

1:01:59

winners. and losers and not wanting

1:02:01

to lose to working harder so you can become

1:02:03

a winner but knowing that it

1:02:06

doesn't matter that you've lost losing

1:02:08

is good use that energy to win

1:02:11

now go away brush yourself off and come back

1:02:14

but now if you say that to people you're offensive that

1:02:16

was a brilliant short by the way great

1:02:21

final question then give tell us about where you're

1:02:23

going with your acting because you've I know this

1:02:25

is stuff you can't talk about but tell us

1:02:27

what you can and where's your ultimate goal in

1:02:29

your acting career so the actions going phenomenal at

1:02:31

the moment you know we have two

1:02:33

projects coming out this year no sorry three projects

1:02:35

coming out this year just

1:02:38

got back from Australia filming Mortal Kombat

1:02:40

lay Shao Kahn which was scoreboard

1:02:43

dream come true you know

1:02:45

it was it was a sporting lead role

1:02:47

it was phenomenal role the best

1:02:49

baddie in the whole franchise one of

1:02:51

the biggest franchises in the world and

1:02:53

to get the opportunity is mind-blowing this

1:02:55

is someone that's never

1:02:58

studied acting in his life and

1:03:00

decided to become an actor eight years

1:03:02

ago and now I'm working on some of the biggest projects

1:03:04

there is so I like

1:03:07

to come in advocate of my own advice set

1:03:09

goals set big goals and refused

1:03:12

to listen to anyone that tells you you

1:03:14

can't achieve them we

1:03:16

have another project

1:03:18

coming up which can you give us a clue on any

1:03:20

of them not

1:03:22

really last

1:03:26

week the studios will announce it it's

1:03:28

a great project it's a phenomenal project

1:03:30

it's probably the even

1:03:33

bigger than Mortal Kombat for me which is which is

1:03:36

great I'm in training for it now

1:03:39

same mindset understand the character

1:03:41

become the character get

1:03:43

on top of a dialogue understand

1:03:45

the accent work that the physical

1:03:47

aspects of it and that excites

1:03:50

me so much because it allows me to grow as

1:03:52

an individual gives you confidence gives you a purpose gives

1:03:54

you a meaning and that's what

1:03:56

life is about it's what we spoke about earlier it's about

1:03:58

having having constant

1:04:01

goals gives you a reason to

1:04:03

wake up you don't have a reason

1:04:05

to this that's why I'm billionaires that aren't

1:04:08

current as in still

1:04:10

working get so depressed you've got all the

1:04:12

money in the world here but this was

1:04:14

the point on board spending there's no joint

1:04:16

spending only so much you can use

1:04:18

I mean only only idiots have seven cars

1:04:23

well here we go what give you

1:04:25

a bigger smile and the biggest satisfaction making

1:04:27

the money or buying the car the

1:04:30

success from achieving or

1:04:33

the product because for me I would

1:04:36

work any film free which the biggest argument

1:04:38

me and my agent have sign

1:04:40

for the film now away with we need to

1:04:42

negotiate we need a fair just sign I don't

1:04:44

want to lose it I don't care about the

1:04:46

money you need to care about them I don't

1:04:48

care about them you know I just want to work I just want to

1:04:51

work and he hates me for it because I just want to work because

1:04:54

my passion is

1:04:56

in the energy that I get from

1:04:58

achieving my dream not using

1:05:00

the byproducts and the money to buy

1:05:03

stuff I don't that doesn't even doesn't

1:05:05

give me any satisfaction at all I

1:05:07

feel proud that

1:05:09

I can give stuff to my kids and I

1:05:11

can provide for my kids and I can give

1:05:14

them a house of stability and I can give

1:05:16

them experiences but that's a

1:05:18

different feeling from the actual

1:05:20

I did that buying

1:05:22

something anyone can buy anything if you

1:05:24

got cash yeah well everyone in my

1:05:27

cars has some kind of meaning to

1:05:29

me mm-hmm so the Ferrari testa Ross

1:05:31

was my dream car as a kid

1:05:33

the Porsche 911 turbo with the whale

1:05:35

tail was inspired by bad boys the

1:05:37

Lamborghini event stores just for me

1:05:39

the dream car end of so I

1:05:41

tend to look at a car and what about

1:05:43

the Fiesta you

1:05:47

mean with the big I don't know if I

1:05:49

want to end on I

1:06:00

think I'm towards the end. All right, I'll

1:06:02

end on this. Fuck you. And

1:06:06

that is, what's your dream role? Is

1:06:08

there a dream role, a dream character or

1:06:10

a dream part? Maybe we can manifest it

1:06:12

here. A dream

1:06:14

role for me would be something that I could

1:06:17

really throw myself into emotionally.

1:06:21

Not like a tearjerker,

1:06:24

but something that has depth

1:06:26

with the character. An action

1:06:29

thriller type thing, but to be seen

1:06:31

as someone who can actually act

1:06:34

and the opportunity to put that across is my

1:06:36

dream. I'm not saying it's there now, but

1:06:39

that's my end goal now, is to keep working

1:06:41

on myself as an actor and keep developing as

1:06:43

an actor and try to be try

1:06:46

to see progression through my career and that's

1:06:48

something that I find exciting to

1:06:51

me more than anything is that I'm 41 years

1:06:53

old and I'm at the start of my career.

1:06:55

Not many people can say that and it's

1:06:57

a good career as well. All right,

1:07:00

my turn has been great. Thank you, buddy. Pleasure.