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you decide. We had a huge discussion

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stroke argument about creating clickbait content, which

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I think is ironic. If you look

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bad for society. And this interviewer is

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a headhunter who basically steals people from

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other people's companies. And I did not

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hold back about what I think about

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of Rob Moore's book money. Oh, and at the end, he

1:48

hands me some cash. So stick around to find out

1:50

how much I take

1:52

from him. Rob, welcome to anatomy of a

1:54

leader. So good to have you

1:56

on the show. Take four. Take

2:00

four. Yeah. Yeah, it's great to be here.

2:02

Thanks for inviting me into your home. It's lovely. Thank you. It's

2:05

got character and history and it's lived in.

2:07

Is that just a nice word saying it's messy?

2:09

No. So what makes it lived in? Character.

2:12

The sunglasses have got their own place.

2:15

The shoes have got their own place. The toys have got their own

2:17

place, though they've got a little bit of a mind of their own.

2:20

Yeah. And maybe 20 minutes before

2:22

we turned up, it was all shoved in there.

2:24

Very observant of you. Yeah, thanks for inviting me

2:26

in. No, my pleasure. Because you are... So as

2:29

a property entrepreneur, I guess all of these small

2:31

details are very telling to

2:33

you. So you pay attention more to that. Would you say

2:35

that? Well, when it

2:37

comes to property, that really was

2:39

my business. And that was how I made

2:42

my, I guess what you could say, my

2:44

fortunes on my empire. So this

2:46

is a home, not an

2:48

investment property. But I love

2:50

going into other people's homes. I don't do it

2:52

much because I'm not particularly social and I'm not

2:54

just going to knock on people's doors. But

2:57

most podcasts interviews I've done,

2:59

I don't go to their homes. I

3:01

actually think it's fascinating that you've got

3:03

your studio here. I mean, what if

3:05

you had a really awkward,

3:07

weird interview with someone and they're in

3:10

your home? Well, I did think

3:12

about that because when Harry messaged and said,

3:14

oh, you know, we can't work. Rob might

3:16

be a weirdo. I've never seen him. He's not on social media. Hey,

3:18

what? Me? No, him. I'm all over the

3:20

place. No, you are. But

3:23

how would I know that he's associated

3:25

with you, right? But sending my dress

3:27

did feel a little bit like... Yeah,

3:29

don't worry. We won't save it in satin house.

3:31

We won't put it on a story on Instagram.

3:33

Like, is it really you turning off today? I

3:36

wasn't completely sure, you know? But no,

3:38

well, thank you so much for saying that about my

3:41

home. I've lived here for like 30 years and I've

3:43

definitely lived in. Having to deal

3:45

with deciding what you do with your property

3:47

because you can get so attached. Do you

3:49

have that or do you get attached to

3:51

anything? No. I get attached

3:54

to the money because if I want to

3:56

live in it, I get attached to it. I love, you

3:58

know, one of the beautiful art. I've

4:00

laid out just how I want a

4:02

zen tranquil space to

4:05

work and to be. This is why when people say,

4:07

oh, you should rent and not buy. I

4:10

don't agree with that because this is a nice

4:13

zen tranquil space where you can both work and

4:15

you can bring people and do a podcast in. It

4:18

wouldn't be the same if it was a rental. So,

4:21

no, my house, I want to make a home. But

4:23

when it comes to making money, what you want

4:25

to make a home probably won't make money. What

4:27

you want to make money on is something different.

4:30

So, I'll buy dilapidated stuff and do them up

4:32

or I'll buy commercial and convert. So,

4:34

if this was in, let's say this was

4:36

in the town centre in Peterborough, but there was

4:38

a shop on the bottom floor, I'd

4:40

buy it. I'd probably either sell or

4:42

rent a shop and then I'd convert flats, which

4:45

obviously you see all around here in

4:47

London because it's a business. It's

4:50

not, you know, if you run a business

4:52

with your heart, it's very

4:54

hard to make it commercially viable for the

4:56

long term. You can put heart into a

4:58

business, but if you let your heart roll

5:01

rather than your head, I don't think that's

5:03

a good recipe. Talking

5:05

about money, so... My

5:07

favourite subject. It is your favourite subject and I'm

5:09

going to get to that. So, when

5:11

you were, when it was the whole Clubhouse

5:13

rage, I remember logging on. I was pretty

5:16

much like devoting my life

5:18

to it, but not as much as she. Yes,

5:20

see, what is sadder for me is what you think. Every

5:22

time I was like, there you were. I

5:25

have to say that at that point, that's probably when

5:27

I've learnt about you, and

5:29

I have made like massive

5:31

assumptions about you. Go on then, tell

5:33

me then. I'm a little fascinated. Dish

5:36

the dirt. I think I need to warm up

5:38

a little bit. Don't wriggle out of that one.

5:40

I won't. Do you know one

5:42

of the things... I'll get to know you a little

5:44

bit before we can share. No, no, no, I really

5:46

like it when people make assumptions about me and then

5:48

meet me. Because actually, I try not to do that,

5:51

because I think you don't know someone until you get to

5:53

know someone. I think you're trying not to do that, but I

5:56

think it's very hard not to. Go on then, what

5:58

are these assumptions? I'm going to get to them. Not

6:00

now. But you're gonna

6:02

forget. You're gonna forget. No, I

6:04

won't. But when I've learned that

6:06

you've written 18 books. 19

6:08

now. 19 books. I was

6:11

very intrigued. I'm being, I'm writing my

6:13

20th as we speak. Amazing. So

6:15

it's like somebody who takes the time

6:17

and effort to write books which

6:19

are mostly for the

6:23

purpose of sharing knowledge or

6:25

imparting something. Helping people improve their

6:27

lives. I'm like okay, that's

6:29

interesting. I get about not

6:31

making judgments. And I try to do the

6:33

same. But I think it's impossible as a

6:35

human being not to have some kind of

6:38

bias or thought or opinion. Especially someone

6:40

who has anxiety as a

6:43

trigger. That could trigger some judgments,

6:45

couldn't it? That's interesting. That's very

6:47

interesting. And that probably plays into

6:49

that. And

6:51

you talk about the book that you

6:53

have written. That's your favorite book, which is money. So

6:56

why are you obsessed with money?

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So why are you obsessed with

7:27

money? Right, this is my

7:30

favorite subject. Here's why I'm, well, I'm actually

7:32

not obsessed with money. That's

7:34

a fallacy. I was more

7:36

obsessed with money when I didn't have any. I

7:38

don't know if you've ever been broke, I have. But

7:41

when you're broke and you can't even afford food and

7:43

you can't afford to go out and

7:45

you're looking in your bank account all the time

7:47

hoping that there's 10 pounds in it, you're obsessed.

7:49

But you're obsessed about what you haven't got, which is money.

7:51

I'm not obsessed about money anymore because I've got plenty of

7:53

it and I don't have to obsess over it. So that's,

7:56

you know, I have focused on money. I

7:59

have made it my... to make money and

8:01

try to do it in a fair and ethical

8:03

and sustainable way. So here's why I love money

8:05

and I'm good... With the other

8:07

work we were talking about, how to make

8:09

it in a fair and sustainable way, was

8:11

that important to you before you had money

8:13

or is that something that you arrived to?

8:16

Okay, so I

8:19

think when you're broke it's okay to be a

8:21

bit selfish, i.e. I just need to get out of

8:23

debt. I'll do whatever needs to be

8:25

done. You know, I'm not a philanthropist, I

8:27

just need to get out of debt. But

8:30

once you've made a lot of money, you're not going

8:32

to grow that wealth unless you help a lot of

8:34

people. You know, in my

8:36

formula for wealth, which is perceived value

8:38

plus fair exchange times leverage, leverage is

8:41

the amount of people you reach or the amount of units

8:43

you sell. And

8:46

once you've become financially free or

8:49

a millionaire or a billionaire, then

8:53

making money becomes something bigger than just the

8:55

money itself because you don't just need the

8:58

money itself. Now, some people it's power, corruption

9:00

and control, but for many people it's legacy

9:02

is giving back. I mean, if

9:05

it's donating billions to the

9:07

Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation. So

9:09

I think when I became more

9:12

than a million but less than 10

9:14

million net worth, a low-level millionaire, I

9:16

was like, this is nearly

9:18

enough now. And, you

9:21

know, I could get a hundred grand watch or a

9:23

200 grand car and it's

9:25

nice, but it doesn't really impact

9:28

my life. But I could use my leverage

9:31

of my following on social media

9:33

and I could do a charity raise and raise 120 grand or

9:38

I've done quite a lot of things for my

9:40

Rob Moore Foundation. At

9:42

the same time, though, I just

9:44

went to buy a piece of Tom York's art. So I don't

9:46

know if you know Radiohead, it's one of my favorite bands. There's

9:49

an exhibition, I just bought a piece of his art. And

9:51

Harry was like, well, you know,

9:54

you're not going to get a commission out of Tom York because he's

9:56

just not that kind of guy. And he said, you

9:58

know, but I bet you do a commission. for the

10:00

right money, you know, for 10 million would you

10:02

copy a Picasso from a billionaire? I

10:05

wouldn't copy a Picasso for

10:08

a billionaire, for 10 million, because

10:10

I can't copy a Picasso. But

10:12

I would say to the billionaire... You would if you could. Well,

10:15

I would if I could, but I can't, so I'm not

10:17

a fraud. But what I would say to the billionaire is,

10:19

I'll tell you what I'll do, for 5 million, I'll do

10:21

the best piece of art that I can do. And

10:24

I'm like, give me as many billionaires as you

10:26

like and I'm doing pieces for 5 million quid.

10:29

Well, there you go. So I think we will

10:31

have a price and there's things that we can

10:33

commercialise and there's nothing wrong with that. As

10:35

long as you're being authentic, I wouldn't be authentic

10:38

if I charged someone 10 million to paint a

10:40

Picasso, because I can't paint a Picasso. But what

10:42

I am authentic in is saying, how about what

10:45

I can do? I'll give you 5

10:47

million, fine, done. So that's

10:49

kind of how I see money. You

10:51

know, I have a fair keynote speaking

10:53

fee and I think that

10:56

what I offer is fair for that and then I

10:58

do some for free. And sometimes I'm

11:00

paid to be on podcasts and sometimes I do them for

11:02

free. But you can only make that

11:04

choice when you've built your own level of wealth. So

11:06

I think when you're broke, you probably are more selfish

11:08

and it's OK to be more selfish because number one

11:10

need to look after you. You can

11:13

only look after your family once you've looked after

11:15

you. You can only look after community once you've

11:17

looked after your family. But once you've built wealth,

11:19

I mean, if you look at rich people, I

11:21

mean, there's a lady, I won't mention her name,

11:23

but she gives a lot of money to charity,

11:25

but she's one of the richest billionaires in the

11:27

UK from gambling. And people say,

11:29

oh, from gambling. I mean, I don't like gambling at

11:31

all. I'd like to outlaw gambling. I think it's just

11:33

terrible. But she would argue

11:35

that it's entertainment and it's necessary if it wasn't necessary. And

11:37

I'm not judging her, I've not met her, but I

11:40

know of the story. Tried to have her on my podcast.

11:43

Why? Why? So then

11:45

I could challenge her on these things. Someone

11:50

like that might say, well, there's plenty of other gambling firms and

11:52

this is how we do it better. And

11:54

people will always pay for entertainment. So

11:57

you've got to have your own morals and judgments as to...

12:00

what you're prepared to commercialize and what you're

12:02

not. I used to be an artist and

12:04

most artists have a real problem with commercialization.

12:07

And they don't ever make enough money and when you

12:09

don't make enough money you can't express your own art.

12:11

Like you couldn't do this podcast without these good cameras,

12:13

you've got a good new camera there, you've got good

12:15

microphones, they're very good. If

12:18

I came here and you had a little Zoom H1 and

12:20

you're holding it under my... I'm going to be like,

12:22

you need to invest in this podcast. So

12:26

yeah, so you had an original question

12:29

and then you asked me the

12:31

question I just answered, can you remember the original

12:33

question? Why are you obsessed with money? That you're

12:35

not obsessed with but you... I'm fascinated by it.

12:37

I think it's... Well... Tell

12:39

me the top five subjects

12:41

that humans think about and

12:44

I'd be amazed if in you did a wider poll

12:46

money is not in the top five. I'm sure, I

12:48

mean I think money is one of the most... Family.

12:50

...argued about... Money, yeah. ...conversations

12:52

with having couples. Money could be in

12:54

the top three or five things that's

12:57

most talked about about humanity and

12:59

it is out of all of those in my

13:01

opinion the least understood. Like

13:03

I have done 17 years of research and study

13:05

around money. I've written books on money. I've just

13:07

written my 20th

13:09

book and the last two I've written on money and

13:13

people don't know anything about money. Most people do

13:15

not know anything about money. Yeah,

13:18

it's in the top three or five things that we talk

13:20

about on a daily basis. So is

13:23

that not the most fascinating of subjects to

13:25

try and... Find

13:28

out how it works. Now, one thing

13:30

I talk about money is... I

13:34

want people to do this exercise so I think

13:36

it's really fascinating. So anyone listening or watching just

13:39

follow me and do this. Imagine

13:42

the nicest street in your

13:45

area. If you do this with me as

13:47

well. And imagine driving

13:49

down that nicest street and parking

13:51

outside the nicest house. Like

13:53

the one you love, the dream house. And

13:56

Take a look through your car window and don't worry, no

13:58

one's going to think you're a weirdo. The take a

14:00

look out through look at this grand house.

14:03

And. Think about. What? Kind of

14:06

person you perceive. As.

14:08

That's like picture them They a man or

14:10

a woman of a old will die young

14:12

as I, a drug dealer or an artist

14:14

or today and are they on the board

14:17

of face for are not on a put

14:19

things into people's heads. But here's the thing

14:21

you don't know. Listen mouse and you're gonna

14:23

build a picture of the person that you

14:26

think lives in the house and you have

14:28

no idea. Now tell you the picture out

14:30

Build Entrepreneur My lots of money Probably smart

14:32

I'd wanna gone ring the doorbell and taught

14:35

to them I should Maybe game on my

14:37

podcast whereas. when I was bro cutting

14:39

probably the biggest drug dealer in town.

14:41

cleaning money, money launderer, a criminal. Cause.

14:44

It that with a reflection of my

14:46

own said the person you picture is

14:48

the rich person. Is.

14:51

An internal reflection reflected out.

14:53

but as a fiction or

14:55

a fictional character is not

14:57

real. Cat that I sat. Story:

14:59

I think. Embodies money

15:01

in that money is neutral.

15:05

A It is this plastic good or

15:07

bad. Luck

15:10

light. Is

15:12

a piece of plastic is not good.

15:16

If I give it to you is good. Was.

15:18

A good as to give it to me because I've done a

15:20

kind gesture. But. There's no

15:22

expectation none are many give. It's you

15:24

with expectations is not good. That. Or

15:27

just about how we perceive humanity and

15:29

our own deep seated. believe not just.

15:31

About everything that represents

15:34

yes side. Give me

15:36

something. And. If I believe

15:38

like on people a generous than I'm like okay daddy.

15:40

And are all either general great yet so

15:42

you will gratefully received yeah and you will

15:45

look ever not a generous and you will

15:47

send about frequency and that vibration and you'll

15:49

get that back was his yacht because if

15:51

idea how did that who need one nice

15:53

and six and scowl that may and and

15:55

bit of what do you one what you

15:57

trying to buy a aka panel that again.

16:00

So your perception of money and how

16:02

you view it? This is neutral.

16:07

This is what you think this

16:09

is. But this isn't what

16:11

you think it is. That's the dual

16:13

paradox of money. So dual paradox is anything

16:16

can be good or bad, depending

16:18

on how you perceive it. So AI. Good

16:21

thing about AI is it could probably save a million lives.

16:23

Bad thing about AI is it could probably take a million

16:25

lives. So this I could

16:27

give to 20 poor kids in the third

16:29

world with genuine intent. And I could probably

16:32

feed them for a week. With

16:35

this one, I could buy a magazine of 20 bullets and

16:37

get a gun and go and shoot 20 kids in a

16:39

school. Which money

16:42

isn't any of those things. It becomes

16:46

what I project onto it. So I

16:48

use the analogy in my new book, Money Matrix, about

16:50

a hammer. So if I put

16:52

a hammer on the table, you probably wouldn't judge that hammer.

16:55

You know what that's for. Oh, there's

16:57

a couple of pictures there that look like they need putting

16:59

up. But I could take that hammer

17:01

and smash your skull in with it. You

17:04

wouldn't try the hammer and you wouldn't judge the

17:06

hammer. And you wouldn't say hammers are the root

17:08

of all evil. It

17:10

would be me who would be in front

17:13

of the judge and the jury. Money's

17:16

like a hammer. A hammer's really good at

17:18

nailing in a nail and levering one out.

17:20

It's better than your hand. This

17:23

is good at going to Pretemangé. Or,

17:26

where was it we went, Harry Leon. Again,

17:28

I've got a delicious fish finger sandwich. I'm

17:31

a sucker for a fish finger sandwich. I

17:33

paid £7.50 for a

17:35

fish finger sandwich. Now imagine if I had to

17:37

drum barter £7.50's worth. I'd go

17:39

into Leon and go, ooh, I'll do your £7.50's

17:42

worth of a dance to

17:45

try and get this... It's not efficient. So

17:50

this is a tool like a hammer. With a hammer, you

17:52

can smash someone's skull in or

17:54

you can go and create a beautiful piece of

17:56

art and go and Use the hammer

17:58

to put it up on the wall. Give someone

18:00

joy. This is what we would on a

18:02

Santa. My money. They think money is. What?

18:05

They else. But. Money is

18:08

what he sees. So if you want

18:10

to change what money is. You.

18:12

Have to change what you. Was.

18:16

The important to you. To

18:18

teach others that money is neutral.

18:22

And. I guess because

18:24

I was broken, not been rich and a

18:26

lot of people judge the rich. But

18:29

I'm why did you judge the rich? Because

18:32

I was broke and I wanted to be rich and

18:34

a wasn't rich. On alert to the rich and I

18:37

thought you must have done that legally or inherited it

18:39

all or been a drug dealer season. Have a

18:41

good example of how you can

18:43

earn your money in non illegal,

18:45

terrible. Are now didn't have any examples of

18:47

how to my money because I wasn't around people

18:50

who might money. If I'd have been around people

18:52

who make money and would generous and giving that

18:54

I would see people had made money as generous

18:56

and giving sites that you know your your environment

18:58

as well as your family in the media. As

19:00

he thought that. That. Impacts what

19:03

you think money is. Inside,

19:06

I was bitter and resentful. I

19:09

knew that I should have an entrepreneur, knew

19:11

I wanted to make money, and unused I

19:13

could, but I'd failed in my life in

19:15

that department. And. Source or

19:17

everyone else is a success as key

19:19

or done illegally because that made it

19:21

okay for me to fail inside and

19:24

will be ashamed about that. And I'm

19:26

really glad I've changed. My about myself

19:28

says because of change that about myself

19:30

and I like myself better. I'm my

19:32

life is better for that change. Why

19:34

would I want not want to share

19:36

that with other people? Also I mean

19:38

if it's a whole of society, do

19:40

this and I was the last and

19:42

I'm. I wouldn't need to talk

19:45

about it the last to get it, but

19:47

now I'm fucking gets it like you hear

19:49

people say all the time Or money doesn't

19:51

buy happiness by Sonos Cameras budget nice microphone

19:53

buys you a nice school for your kids.

19:56

And I don't believe that money doesn't allow

19:58

people. did I? That they do. They will

20:00

be study saying all after several shells

20:02

and pounds the united happier. But what

20:05

happiness? And I love what you talk

20:07

about. happiness as in it's an emotion

20:09

is part of a range of emotions

20:11

that we experience is not just a

20:13

stunner. Oh, I'm happy and now I'm

20:16

happy. For you to promote his dozens

20:18

of happiness emotions, iran different ways of

20:20

being. Happy and I think one.

20:22

Of the fuck am one of them is to

20:24

make a lot of money. Well I mean

20:26

it's a thrill as the doesn't mean hit.

20:29

It may be more than a diaper

20:31

mean it was. Yeah, view your better

20:33

judgment about. More money the money

20:35

than I do so you don't

20:38

it from unit eating if it

20:40

does help to in okay the

20:42

safety atheists you Security if I

20:44

can have a bad time A

20:46

buys you a lot of things

20:48

that make you happy eventually. Since

20:51

I'm on my your life easier

20:53

Yes! And. So therefore you can

20:55

focus your anxieties on other things cost

20:57

money, some degree problems away. In fact,

20:59

money sometimes makes bigger problems. I notice.

21:02

When you don't have to worry about

21:05

money, you can focus your anxieties in

21:07

important areas. Do like your children, like

21:09

your career, like seeing the world before

21:11

you die. You know these kinda things.

21:13

But you know you say that you

21:16

don't think the money doesn't buy happiness

21:18

Bomb in his in the Bible. It.

21:20

says. That.

21:23

Them. The.

21:25

Love of money is the root of all

21:27

evil. Humanity

21:30

is the root of all evil. No.

21:33

Money this com be evil

21:35

is not conscious. But it's what people

21:37

do with a year. So it's a human. Not

21:39

the month, Yes, true. But so the Bible

21:41

was on. Or a person who doesn't have

21:44

money and you watch how. It

21:46

reduces have been started over small things

21:48

that are easy. Somebody who had large

21:50

groups of people who don't know how

21:52

to get it, who don't understand air

21:54

who resented or see it as something

21:56

terrible because they may see the rich

21:58

since I will y. do they get

22:00

to have that and then also you know

22:02

showing their flashy cars driving their Ferraris that

22:05

you're resentful of or you

22:07

know going on these holidays and

22:09

yet not contributing to the rest

22:11

of the society so you

22:14

are involved so did you say that

22:16

people buy all those things and don't

22:18

contribute to society well they do by

22:20

buying all those things because the government

22:22

controls the flow of money from the

22:24

rich to the poor so people like

22:26

to blame the rich and the government

22:28

like people to blame the rich it's

22:30

the government that distribute money the worst

22:32

because taxes is money distribution

22:35

so my question is do the

22:37

rich have an obligation to make

22:39

sure that some of that wealth

22:41

is distributed downwards that's

22:47

a good question I've not been asked that before in

22:49

that way and I think

22:55

to a certain degree yes but

22:57

they already do you just don't know

22:59

it unless use

23:01

me as an example I pay millions

23:04

of pounds in taxes taxes is wealth

23:06

distribution I

23:08

am already distributing millions of

23:10

my pounds from my

23:14

own coffers down

23:16

to the recipients of

23:18

tax which is everyone else but

23:21

his the problem the

23:23

government managed that money really

23:25

badly so the mainstream media

23:28

and the governments would love the rich to

23:30

be blamed so it's a distraction over there

23:32

it's not the government's fault but

23:35

if crime is high the police is

23:37

so underfunded the NHS

23:39

is drastically underfunded do

23:42

you know basically I'm theft is basically legal

23:45

now because only one in 40 thefts

23:47

actually come to a prosecution you know

23:49

there's so much rape that goes on

23:52

this basically legal now because it doesn't

23:54

get properly investigated I am

23:57

paying my taxes to redistribute my

23:59

wealth that I fucking earned and

24:01

gave 17 years of my

24:03

life for to trust the state that

24:06

it will distribute it, and it doesn't. And I

24:08

have to pay for the NHS. I've got a

24:11

little, I've got some

24:13

numbness in parts of my body at the moment, I'm a bit

24:15

worried about it. I just wanna get it checked. It

24:18

might be nothing, but I have to

24:20

go to private to be able to get that checked. And

24:23

someone in my organization, she passed away through lockdown,

24:25

and she probably wouldn't have if she'd have could

24:27

have got in a hospital. And that angers me.

24:31

So every time,

24:33

like I'll spend money all around here. And

24:37

so when a rich person goes to a new

24:39

city, cause you know, you get tourism, you

24:42

get money from other countries. Well, anytime a rich person goes

24:44

through any town or city, they're throwing money all over the

24:46

place. They might not be going, oh, here's 200 quid in

24:48

a donation. And I'll go, where are all the homeless people?

24:50

I'll give them a million pounds. But

24:53

they're buying clothes and they're buying

24:55

watches and they're buying art and

24:57

they're buying fancy cakes and everything

24:59

else. So

25:02

that is also a form of distribution

25:04

of wealth. So the rich people distribute

25:06

wealth already. They're not given the credit

25:08

for it. And they do it better

25:10

than the government. Could some

25:12

do it more? Well, that's up for

25:15

debate. I mean, Warren Buffett is

25:17

giving away billions. And it seems if someone's sitting

25:19

going, yeah, but he's worth 300 billion and

25:21

he's only given away 100 billion and he's got

25:24

200 billion left. So he should give away another 200 billion. No,

25:26

you go and fucking earn another 200 billion

25:28

and then you give it away. And what

25:31

are these people who are judging all these

25:33

rich people doing? Nothing, they're being trolls

25:36

on social media. So, and also

25:40

don't forget how the rich

25:42

people pay or don't pay their tax is

25:45

supposed to be regulated and

25:47

controlled by the government. If

25:50

you were a billionaire and you could pay 4% tax or

25:53

20% tax, which one are you gonna choose? For

25:55

sure, like I wouldn't wanna pay tax if

25:57

I didn't have to. There you go. Yeah. can

26:00

get an accountant and a good lawyer and you can get 4% in 10

26:02

or 20%, you're going to

26:04

choose 4%. Everyone listening to would probably

26:06

charge 4%. And let's say you felt a bit guilty

26:08

about that, were you like, well, 4% of

26:10

billions is still a lot and I'll give a

26:13

few million away to charity and I'll set up

26:15

a foundation. You know, naturally you're going to through

26:17

your own emotions, you

26:19

know, give money away and do good things. You

26:21

can't do good things when you don't have any

26:23

money other than maybe rent your

26:26

time. That's true. My question also stems

26:28

from once, and this is again,

26:30

making assumptions that everyone's like that and they're

26:32

not, but there are groups of

26:35

very rich individuals who

26:37

become so isolated from,

26:39

you know, even if

26:41

they came from poverty or from, you

26:44

know, not having money, once

26:46

you end up in this world

26:48

of driving luxurious cars and being

26:50

surrounded and you know, that becomes standard

26:52

to you. That doesn't become extraordinary. It's

26:55

just what you get on a day

26:57

to day basis. Why is that a

26:59

problem? That's not a problem for them because

27:01

everybody comes, becomes normalized

27:03

by their surroundings. They do,

27:06

but being so far

27:08

removed from how the rest of the

27:10

world lives and then becoming either

27:12

judgmental about like, Oh, well they're just

27:14

like poor people. They don't, they're stupid

27:17

because let's face it, like not everybody.

27:19

I've never met a rich person ever. And

27:21

I know a lot that's ever said, Oh,

27:24

they're just poor people. They're stupid. Never

27:26

entertain me. Is it possible that a rich person

27:28

may say that? Right. Um,

27:31

it's possible. It's possible that a

27:33

poor person could say

27:35

that the richest are hoity toity upper

27:38

class snob. Yeah. Neither

27:41

of the, neither of each actually really know

27:43

each other. But the more you get

27:45

separated into these categories, the more you

27:47

don't understand each other. And that's why

27:49

I'm saying it's like, should the rich

27:51

who have gone through, especially the ones

27:53

that have self-made or they

27:55

have gone from that process

27:57

of not having money to having money, understand

28:00

how the rest of the world lives, don't

28:03

they bear some responsibility to right some of

28:05

the wrongs that they have seen along the

28:07

way? Because does it matter

28:09

which way you make money? Are there

28:12

things that you shouldn't be doing? Well, to me

28:14

it matters. I think it

28:16

matters to anyone, and they

28:18

will justify why they make money. I

28:21

make money through training in education and information,

28:23

and I think it's a

28:26

hugely beneficial

28:28

to society way of me

28:31

making money. But some people don't like it, but you can just go

28:33

on YouTube and borrow a book off someone and go

28:35

to the library. Well, if you could do that and get

28:37

rich, you'll be creating

28:39

a course on that and ironically become the thing

28:41

that you hate. I personally would never make money

28:43

out of gambling, because I don't believe that that

28:45

helps people with money. But I bet if you

28:48

had someone who owned a big gambling company here,

28:50

they would justify it. So

28:52

I have my own ethics

28:54

and morals. You have your own ethics and morals. So

28:59

you mentioned in your description, do

29:02

rich people have some obligation

29:05

to right the wrongs along

29:07

the way? I

29:10

think you have

29:12

to get to know some rich people and

29:15

listen to their story. Because

29:18

if you've interviewed 100

29:20

or 1,000 rich people and

29:23

they're all oligarch, greedy,

29:26

capitalist, power-hungry, corrupt,

29:29

then there needs to be a bit

29:31

of a shake-up. But I

29:33

haven't ever interviewed any of those. Now maybe

29:35

there are some and they're hiding in

29:38

a communist country or they won't go

29:40

on podcasts. I don't know. But

29:43

I've interviewed 20 billionaires. I am wealthy.

29:45

I know loads of rich people. And

29:49

they do a lot of good in society.

29:51

They give millions away. They set up charities

29:53

and foundations. Isn't it that? Well,

29:58

what is better? Someone who owns

30:00

20 grand a year and they give

30:02

away a thousand pounds,

30:05

or someone who owns a hundred million a year and

30:08

they give away a million pounds. Because

30:10

the million is less of a percentage than the 200 million,

30:13

but it's a hell of a lot more than 500 quid. I

30:16

would argue that you can do

30:18

more good with the million. But there are more

30:21

people who have 20,000 than there are

30:23

people who have several million. So

30:26

if all of those people did that on mass. But

30:28

they don't. So it's very well pointing

30:30

the finger at the rich that they should be

30:32

giving away more. What I think

30:34

someone should do is start with

30:36

themselves. So

30:39

yeah, if everyone who owns 20 grand

30:41

a year gave away 500 pounds, the world will

30:43

be a better place. Most people who earn 20 grand

30:45

a year don't give away 500 pounds. But

30:49

go and ask a lot of them. They would probably think they can't afford

30:51

it. Anyone I know

30:53

who makes a hundred million gives at least a

30:55

million or two million or five million or ten

30:57

million of that away. But don't forget everywhere they

30:59

go. Because you said they drive nice cars. Well,

31:01

do you know there's a mechanic that repairs that

31:03

car, who gets paid a lot of

31:05

money? That

31:08

mechanic couldn't run

31:10

his living if he didn't have some rich clients.

31:12

And if you ask anyone who's got rich

31:14

clients, their rich clients are their favorite clients.

31:17

And their rich clients tip them big. Go

31:19

to a restaurant. It's the rich people who

31:21

tip big. It's not the poor people who tip

31:23

big. I'm not judging the poor, by the way. We're

31:26

here on this interview interrogation

31:29

table. You

31:31

don't hear me ever going around judging the poor.

31:33

And by the way, if someone is broken happy,

31:36

I tip my hat and

31:38

all good. Because,

31:42

you know, would I take being broken

31:44

happy over rich and unhappy? I actually

31:46

would. I

31:49

don't think I could be broke and happy. And I

31:51

think I can be rich and happy. But

31:53

if you've got a gun to my head and it's broke

31:56

but happy genuinely, or

31:58

rich and unhappy, I'd take broken. happy. I

32:01

think you could be rich and happy. I'm pretty happy and

32:04

I'm pretty rich. I'm not going

32:06

around judging anyone who's broken happy. What

32:09

I'm trying to do is educate people who are broken

32:11

unhappy and help them change

32:13

their lives. That's my mission and

32:17

that's hard because they

32:20

have all these beliefs and you've expressed some of

32:22

them here and any anti-rich

32:24

belief is all gonna mean you're always gonna

32:27

repel money. Notice

32:29

you haven't taken the 20. I have

32:31

a problem with money. I do. Well you can give

32:34

it all to me then because I don't. Looking

32:36

back now. You still need to tell me about

32:38

how you judged me. I will. For

32:41

me the money comes with conditions

32:43

or it has come with conditions in

32:45

the past. So that's been my

32:48

personal experience. But the past doesn't have to dictate

32:50

the future. No and it's taken

32:52

years of work to unpack some

32:54

of those things which are not just to

32:56

do with money but money is a target. You're

32:59

aware of it. You're conscious of it and you're trying

33:01

to change it. Yes. Yeah. And I am completely

33:03

100% with you in terms of educating

33:05

people around the topic and

33:08

I'm not saying the rich are bad. No. I'm kind

33:13

of playing devil's advocate in terms

33:15

of understanding your perspective and

33:18

talking about you know miss miss what's

33:21

the word. What's the word now. Miss

33:23

ordinary. No we'll get to that.

33:25

Okay. That's the next one. Oops. Put my

33:27

foot in it there. So we've

33:30

got. Misconception. Right. Talking

33:32

about how I felt

33:34

about you. I think it

33:36

was because I didn't see you,

33:39

your face. It was your voice

33:41

and your voice triggered me. Oh wow.

33:44

You did. And the swearing. Yeah.

33:47

So that triggered me as well. So

33:49

what about my voice triggered you. Just

33:51

is it harsh or is it aggressive

33:55

or loud. It was. I'm

33:57

trying to think. dance

34:00

around it. No, I'm not trying to dance around

34:02

it. I'm trying to find the right words to

34:04

express it to the best of my ability so

34:06

that it's correct. Yeah. For what I'm actually, remember

34:09

English is my second language. Yeah.

34:12

It was triggering me because I felt

34:14

that you were almost shouting at the

34:16

people and trying to convince them of

34:18

a certain point of view and swearing.

34:20

And I didn't listen to it that

34:22

much. So I didn't really get into,

34:24

get involved in the conversations. And I

34:26

don't remember precisely what you were saying.

34:28

But then when I went and I

34:30

was watching some of the YouTube videos,

34:32

the podcasts, and some of the conversations

34:34

that you had, when people do grill

34:36

you and do challenge you, what

34:39

you say is more in line

34:44

with my values than how

34:46

you say it. But I think, you know, in person,

34:48

you also come across as different than

34:50

when you come across on the

34:53

screen. Yeah. Well, well, it was an audio. It

34:55

wasn't even, like you said, it wasn't even a

34:57

face, was it? Exactly. Yeah. I

34:59

mean, I'm always fascinated by those

35:01

first impressions. I don't really

35:03

have a problem with that because it's something that

35:05

you noticed and I'd rather you

35:07

noticed me than you didn't. And

35:09

I also know it's not, I

35:12

am me. Why is that? Yeah. Well, if

35:14

you don't notice, well, if you don't notice

35:16

me, I can't come on

35:19

your podcast. I can't get my message out

35:21

to people. We can't possibly collaborate in the

35:23

future. You know, I know you've

35:25

done a good couple of hundred episodes or maybe

35:27

you might bring me back on your 500th if

35:29

this is, you know, really well downloaded. We might

35:31

see each other at a podcast show sometime and

35:34

we're going to, you know, we've, we've

35:36

started a relationship, a collaboration

35:38

or whatever, but if you don't know who

35:40

I am, that can never happen. So does

35:42

it, does it matter how you get attention?

35:45

Well, I don't, I'm not

35:47

being me just for attention. I'm being me

35:49

because I am me. So it's

35:51

not delivery is what you're saying. That's just how I'm

35:54

being me. Well, well, I

35:57

Am definitely being me a lot more now at age 44.

36:00

More than a was aged thirty

36:02

five or twenty five kids. The

36:04

irony I was most confused about

36:06

me ages fourteen and twenty one

36:08

am and I was probably trying

36:10

to be much more have some

36:12

thing. Than. A wasn't that I used

36:14

to hate that by myself by Don now

36:16

because all trying to find do we are

36:18

and I A don't how you felt as

36:21

you move from twenty to thirty bucks. I'd

36:23

probably say my thirties. There was. Really

36:26

good discovery about who I am.

36:28

And. Probably between you know they like

36:31

thirties and early forties. I'm like I'm

36:33

actually quite happy and content and comfortable.

36:35

Or give you an example, I don't

36:37

like the way I sound. You know

36:40

if I were to somewhat to listen

36:42

to myself back on this award the

36:44

I would not like how I sound

36:47

with much more like to speak like

36:49

this and my daughter she speaks so

36:51

well she said portion she speaks like

36:53

this and that is and many times

36:56

I thought I should time practice speaking

36:58

differently. But. It's just not

37:00

mean I am me. And

37:03

side swearing. Is

37:06

I'm not trying to tricky by swearing.

37:08

I'm swearing. Have sworn a couple of

37:10

times in this episode. This up to

37:13

you whether you and be power or

37:15

not. Been swearing when I'm passionate. And

37:18

was being rude to you. Eat?

37:20

is it out When I was

37:22

defending the rich the hours to

37:25

get an average? I'm if someone

37:27

may save ending the rents on

37:29

in some regard. yes against mainstream

37:31

media on governmental propaganda. yeah because

37:33

remember it lists ask about to

37:35

that. Imagine if all the taxes

37:37

he gave to eat on mosque

37:39

and rich in the you can

37:41

America would you would use that

37:43

money best. A society where governments

37:45

both. Richard Branson is the Uk

37:47

Nilon mosque. In America, I don't know

37:50

them well enough to comment, but from. The

37:52

way that government has been behind. The I

37:54

don't have much money than they they

37:56

have. Yeah yes I am How you

37:59

just may. Like. Yeah.

38:01

I would rather use judged me. The new

38:03

didn't know me. I'm it

38:05

would it's in I'm is the self. nice cuddly

38:07

fluffy side of me. one at one to like

38:09

me. On. First instance for

38:12

yes, but as and that you. That's

38:14

how that a sunny and in secure

38:16

version of me who doesn't know themselves

38:18

but you know you meet people. And.

38:20

The to such best friend stray away.

38:23

you should smell Iraq's because they're probably

38:25

a narcissist so I'd much rather eat

38:27

meat someone I'm not near. Their authentic.

38:30

Rather, Than he loved Hilo and a

38:33

nice yeah I was authentic on clubhouse

38:35

ah really was us or didn't ever

38:37

come out of a room thinking I've

38:39

met my skin crawl their i didn't

38:41

like who I was. I mean sometimes

38:43

of testing racy headlines and sometimes as

38:46

having a discussion and debate with someone

38:48

which I live but you know as

38:50

I would rather you. Get.

38:53

Triggered by me and remember me for

38:55

being who I am than like me

38:58

for some one I'm not. So.

39:02

Ah, I'll take that. We're here. We're

39:04

now. I'm. Actually one of my

39:06

favorite questions which you using your

39:08

put cost is like. I

39:10

don't remember exactly how you phrase

39:12

about how I phrases like what

39:14

misconceptions to people have usually about.

39:16

you know, So what's that? And.

39:19

I think that they saying com

39:21

maybe a little bit more mercenary

39:23

and capitalists than I actually am.

39:26

What? Do you think if people that impression. I'm

39:29

the guy that will talk about anything about

39:31

money, whereas most people in this country they

39:33

worry about being judged for talking about it.

39:36

I'll give you an example. I was in

39:38

a. Telegram group. And

39:41

summer said well you know what most million as

39:43

a pretty humble and you know they drive German

39:45

cause you know that I'm flash their wealth and

39:47

I said to him not being as really honest

39:49

as had him. I really respect that.

39:51

I really admire someone who's got in the low

39:54

level millions and these live in our humble life

39:56

and is not showing off or couldn't live law

39:58

that I'm a fucking love. And I

40:00

love watches. I'm all of them since as

40:02

a kid I loved the Ferrari test or

40:04

us and I nice Evan an eyeball one

40:06

and that's just not me and to be

40:08

able to like. Be. Authentic. Can

40:11

be honest live you ask?

40:13

Men. If

40:15

they would, Take. Ten million quid him

40:17

by. A got us most men

40:20

what? your favorite? what your top three

40:22

calls it daily. The classic. And.

40:24

At you know your high because and then they

40:26

said and then he said are you can have

40:28

them because I'm mister based on given away cause.

40:31

None. Of them and I'm not

40:33

such. Most men won't cause not

40:35

all but most but we want

40:37

our passions. And some fit

40:39

for some people. It's collecting comics and wherever

40:42

else. But yeah, money gives you the ability

40:44

to do that. and for years or so,

40:46

maybe I should be more humble and then

40:48

social media comes along and it wants you

40:50

to do click by so them right? Maybe

40:53

I should base more Ra Ra and Blinky

40:55

more humble. More. Perhaps more humble

40:57

brag India's is do And in

40:59

the end, hopefully you find your

41:02

own voice. And I

41:04

do feel like from maybe. I.

41:06

He is. Now if you go back through

41:08

my phone to I think the early is

41:10

a bit strained. I think the intention is

41:12

good of those wouldn't be here but you

41:15

can tell I'm a bit strained like I

41:17

was much more shouty when I was younger.

41:19

Was it as much more inside of it?

41:21

all these in your face people. Now I

41:23

was kind of a bit before the time

41:25

but. Or deny his

41:27

bit not mean. says. And then

41:29

what happened? Lt. Part. Is not.

41:31

I mean if you watch me on state or lied to him

41:33

you sound round. Will then you are and stacey to be. High

41:36

cost of the room. I get that yeah I come

41:38

from. The pharmacist form is that makes sense

41:40

that? Yes, yes, Yes are ya mama

41:42

are all over the place And and then

41:44

what happened was. Not. Get lot

41:46

of attention and then my business

41:48

pantomime demo wasn't always ton of

41:50

attention has missed his compound. And

41:54

they always I tried to basically. Dilute.

41:57

Me: And it lasted about

41:59

two years. and basically all of them

42:01

in their own words said we want Rob back so

42:04

they'd sort of suppressed me this is why it's important to

42:06

be around good people and now I allowed it but

42:09

yeah I think you know when I was

42:11

on in clubhouse I think that's pretty authentic

42:14

and yeah and

42:17

here's the thing in in the

42:19

world of personal development you've got my friend Mark Victor Hansen

42:22

don't have ever heard him swear lovely

42:24

articulate very fast thinking man you've

42:27

got another fast thinking man called Gary Vaynerchuk

42:29

who's got this broad accent accent is quite

42:31

aggressive I mean you think I'm aggressive nothing

42:33

like Gary V I'm nothing like Andrew T.

42:35

maybe Gary's style isn't mine but I know

42:37

he's a smart

42:43

guy and I know I can listen to him

42:46

on social media but you know he's he eats

42:48

and Jeff's every five seconds like

42:50

I think I've only said fuck three times

42:52

now and twice before and

42:54

so debate you know that maybe

42:56

that you know was maybe

43:00

I'm somewhere in the middle I don't know I don't think you need to

43:02

justify I think I probably

43:04

felt some sort of sense of not

43:06

being included if I wasn't allowed into the room

43:09

and I wasn't part of the listening and

43:11

there was me the 80th followed person in

43:13

the world on clubhouse who thought he was

43:15

the big Don yeah who ran the room

43:17

yeah that's very honest of you well I

43:19

think that probably was part of it I

43:21

mean that whole that whole

43:24

area I used to by the way bring a lot

43:26

of people up in rooms and give people equal opportunity

43:28

because someone did that to me at the start I

43:30

didn't know how to use clubhouse and

43:32

I was just in a random room and someone brought

43:34

me up and said all right mate go talk to

43:36

people he was an American guy called Farok who you

43:38

know I stayed in touch with and I like I

43:40

remembered that so I always tried to do that so

43:42

forgive me if I didn't do that with you that's

43:44

okay you probably did at one point it wasn't enough

43:46

for me yeah yeah yeah talking about clickbait

43:48

what have you learned in

43:55

terms of how far is too far well

43:58

Harry my producer over there There

44:01

is no too far. Right. Did

44:03

you hear? I hope you pick up that

44:05

little, huh, that you got embarrassed. Like, he,

44:08

our most clickbaity content is the

44:11

one that's done the best. David Icke

44:13

and Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate and

44:15

Katie Hopkins. I

44:17

had a brilliant conversation with

44:19

Matt Goss about this. I'm

44:21

going to have lunch with him tomorrow. He was on my show. And

44:23

it was a lovely conversation. He's a

44:26

lovely man. And he

44:28

was like, Rob, just,

44:30

you know, this is just do

44:32

this justice. Just, you know,

44:34

be kind. So it's

44:36

basically like, don't put some cheap

44:39

clickbaity, thumbnail headline over. I

44:43

guess he would see it like it's a beautiful painting

44:45

that you just slapped some

44:47

random paint on and you ruined.

44:51

And in some ways I'm a bit, I'm an

44:53

artist at heart. In my old days

44:55

I was an artist. So I feel

44:57

the same. I want the conversation to

44:59

be quality. That's what I want. I

45:01

would like you to leave thinking there was a

45:04

good quality conversation, even if you've got more judgments

45:06

than you have answers. I don't mind. But

45:10

unfortunately that doesn't sell. What

45:12

sells it is the thumbnail and

45:15

the headline. So I regularly have this conversation

45:17

on my podcast, especially RT

45:19

creative types, in,

45:22

you know, it's the piece of content. This is the

45:24

art form. And the gimmick

45:27

is the thumbnail. And,

45:29

you know, and the Rob

45:32

Moore trash is my

45:34

house. Or I

45:36

mean, cause Harry sometimes he puts headlines in and

45:38

I'm like, mate, that didn't happen in the episode.

45:42

So just blame Harry. Yeah. It's

45:44

great to have a Harry. Well, you can, you can, you

45:47

can blame your husband.

45:49

Yeah. But yeah,

45:51

sometimes I say to Harry that didn't

45:54

actually happen. He's like, but we

45:56

need the clicks. Yeah. But we don't need

45:58

to be desperate for the clicks. But. Got

46:00

along really good content out there is

46:02

no got many views. I've got some

46:04

stuff which I would seem a little

46:07

bit more tacky. This got millions of

46:09

views. I don't have the answer to

46:11

that question because let's say on artists.

46:14

And. The. Are is the piece of

46:16

all. The. Kicked by is how many

46:18

people come and look at a piece of our

46:20

yeah if you have no we're looking at

46:22

the are you doing this Been in all this

46:25

money and time and pocus I'm in this to

46:27

have you here and you've all this equipment.

46:29

thousands of pounds if no one listens to this

46:31

podcast. Is to you

46:33

exist will exactly when the nothing exists

46:35

in a vacuum but everything dies and

46:37

a I came including punk ass had

46:39

no one is so pockets it will

46:42

die so and then he asked back

46:44

to you. How far would you

46:46

go? On the click by.

46:50

Know that far I'm been scared.

46:53

To do that and not formally resulting

46:55

in laughably. However, back cerebral.

46:57

Really does? I think it's something

46:59

that I need to learn more

47:01

about in terms of how can

47:03

it be truthful to what's really

47:05

happening? But also it's the art

47:07

of storytelling. It's about how do

47:09

you. Express

47:11

what's really going on, What's the

47:13

most dramatic. Point of the

47:15

video but I was as input costing.

47:18

And you tube is a long

47:20

game, so if you're putting in

47:23

things that didn't happen eventually, people

47:25

will. Stop Believing is like the boy who cried

47:27

wolf. And also if you

47:29

don't have a good title for the

47:31

conversation that you had, you probably need

47:34

to spend more time working on your

47:36

content and how you can be a

47:38

better interviewer and have that exists. And

47:40

hockey's a lot of that. a story

47:43

vs. just putting one takes a title

47:45

or yet, so that's my suspect as.

47:48

Yeah I mean cause some in here quickly I

47:50

think this to toxic like by. I

47:52

think this the Miss Sell. The

47:54

bullshit yeah, The bait and switch which

47:57

is where click bait comes from a

47:59

came from. where you click it on something

48:01

and it goes to porn. And

48:04

then there's really creative, good quality,

48:08

maybe racy headlines that

48:11

are delivered on in

48:13

the content. Well that's different. And that's art.

48:15

Yeah. To create a

48:17

great title that everyone clicks

48:20

and doesn't bait and switch, that's

48:23

art. In fact, Harry and I should spend more time on

48:25

our headlines and on the thumbnails. And we spend

48:27

a lot more now than we used to. Because

48:29

if you can get a headline, which is like, makes

48:31

you click and isn't a bait and

48:33

switch, you're a headline genius. And

48:37

the more clicks you can get, the more views

48:39

you get, the more views you get, the more

48:41

on the for you page or the related searches.

48:43

And it is a virtuous cycle. So

48:47

let's address the other elephant in the room.

48:49

What if it's a guest that

48:51

is not good for society? Like

48:54

how far do you, I mean, you've interviewed- Define

48:57

who's not, define what- I

49:00

think that's loaded in your own moral

49:02

judgment. It is. I think that there

49:05

are about 25 million men that

49:08

would say Andrew Tate is good for

49:10

society. And that terrifies me. Yeah. So

49:12

I'm not judging you, I'm just trying

49:14

to be, pick

49:17

out your own judgments. So,

49:20

because who judges who

49:23

is good for society and

49:25

who is not good for society? Society?

49:31

Well- Why would

49:33

he get involved? Much of society

49:35

loves Andrew Tate, much

49:37

of society despises Andrew Tate. I

49:40

think if you are a mother of

49:43

a daughter, you're probably more naturally inclined

49:45

to not like Andrew Tate. I think

49:47

if you're a struggling, fatherless, 24-year-old five-year-old

49:49

male, you're more likely to. So

49:52

why do young men like him? Well,

49:55

now let's go back to your first question first, because

49:57

I don't think we've finished that. I

49:59

don't- think you

50:02

or I, so I certainly can't, I can't speak

50:05

for you. I can't

50:07

judge that Andrew

50:09

Tate is bad for society, who am I

50:11

to make that judgement? Because

50:14

I... You don't think he's a misogynist? Well...

50:18

Do you think he's a misogynist? My

50:24

personal experience of him, I've had a lot of personal experience

50:26

with him, I know I message him quite a lot, I

50:28

don't know how much personal experience you've had with him, my

50:31

gift is none. So I have never

50:34

seen any misogyny from him, but why

50:36

would there be misogyny with me? I'm

50:38

not a 20 year old... Wait, wait,

50:40

wait, wait. I'm talking about my personal

50:42

experience with him. I watched the podcast

50:45

and I've heard with him. Yeah,

50:48

so to answer your question, personally

50:51

I've had no misogyny about why

50:53

would I? No,

50:56

I did from your podcast.

50:58

Okay, well we can come to that, don't

51:00

we? I'll talk about anything, let me just

51:02

sort of... I think the nuance is really

51:04

important here, I think because I do and

51:06

I'm your guest, so just bear with me

51:08

on it. As you're the

51:11

host you can disagree, but let me get

51:13

my point out first. So

51:16

my experience has only been good

51:18

from start to finish with him

51:20

and that's what I'm going to judge on,

51:24

number one. Now, by the way, does my wife

51:26

think the same thing? No. So

51:28

if we need to open that, we

51:30

can. At the

51:33

moment... Hold on. Now

51:35

let me get to the trial bit. Personal

51:38

experience, so talk me through that. What

51:40

does that mean in terms of how

51:42

he behaved towards you, in terms of

51:44

the qualities that you see in him

51:46

that align with yours? Well don't

51:48

forget, all I've done is met

51:51

him, interviewed with him on a

51:53

podcast, carried on talking to him, he's

51:57

messaged me a few times saying that he likes some of my guests

51:59

on my show. and we're talking about

52:01

a second interview. So that's as

52:04

far as I've done. I don't go over to his

52:06

house every weekend. I don't body spar with him. I'm

52:08

not one of the killers. If

52:12

I'm ever around anyone associated with Andrew Tate,

52:14

I always smile on the videos, because they

52:16

always don't. So I'm still me. I'm

52:20

not scared of an association with

52:22

him, because I am

52:25

not society, and I'm not going to morally judge.

52:27

Now, would I be concerned of

52:30

an association with Jeffrey Epstein? Of course

52:32

I would, but I think that's proven.

52:35

Andrew Tate is, there's

52:37

no proof yet. And

52:39

like, if you were

52:41

questioned about something and you

52:43

were on trial, but there

52:46

was no actual case, you

52:48

know, and there was, then you would

52:50

want a fair trial. And

52:53

is there actually a case being presented

52:55

here or not? Because there still isn't

52:57

any, there's still not been any charges.

52:59

Now look, could therefore some of my people think, well,

53:02

there's going to be a bit of egg on

53:04

Rob's face, if he does get

53:06

convicted of those, if he gets convicted

53:08

of those and there are proof, then

53:11

I might change my stance. I probably would change

53:13

my stance, to be honest, but I'd have to

53:16

wait and see what they are, but I'm not

53:18

judging until there. But as of yet, there are

53:20

no charges. And I like to think,

53:22

if I was accused of something that I didn't believe

53:24

I was guilty of, people that

53:26

knew me wouldn't judge me, because there's

53:29

not even any charges. Social media is

53:31

not judge, jury and executioner, but it's

53:34

made itself that. Mainstream media, the BBC,

53:36

you know, they're

53:38

hatcheting in him

53:41

because they want to, they

53:44

want oxygen. Like the hit

53:47

jobs from the BBC were terrible journalism,

53:49

whether that, they might've been right, but

53:51

terrible journalism. And it

53:53

was a vain attempt to have some

53:55

oxygen left to survive, because BBC are

53:57

very irrelevant now. You watch my interview.

54:00

with him compared to BBC's. Why

54:02

more balance in much better? I mean, I actually don't watch

54:04

interviews with him. And the only reason is because, if

54:07

anyone can. We're doing research on

54:09

you, and obviously he's, okay,

54:13

I'm a woman, I have heard the

54:15

things he says, both on your podcast and

54:18

elsewhere. And I go

54:20

onto your YouTube page,

54:22

your podcast, and go

54:25

into the most popular videos, and there's probably at

54:27

least three or four of, I

54:30

mean, Jordan Peterson's number one. But

54:32

a lot of him,

54:35

and I think I scrolled maybe about 20, 30, and

54:39

I saw three female faces. So,

54:44

because he's so popular on your podcast,

54:48

it is giving him a

54:50

bigger platform exactly at the point. He

54:52

doesn't need me. He doesn't need me. But you are

54:54

still offering that to him. That's

54:56

a Katie Hopkins. She was offering it. Let

54:59

me, because you know, your experience is this, and

55:01

I want to like articulate myself. I hate you.

55:04

I think you're doing it well. Thank you. He

55:08

is a person that was canceled at that point.

55:11

He is somebody who, in my

55:13

opinion, encourages young

55:16

men to think about women in

55:18

the wrong way. To

55:20

me, that is not good for

55:22

society, because I believe in female

55:25

empowerment. As a female entrepreneur myself,

55:27

it is terrifying to see that

55:29

somebody of that grand

55:32

scale of influence being

55:34

supported by people like you and

55:37

other people, because he

55:39

is a nice person to deal with.

55:41

Because in my opinion, an individual

55:44

is, especially

55:47

when they have such a broad reach,

55:49

has a responsibility, and

55:51

has to take accountability for their actions.

55:53

So, just because he's not been convicted

55:57

of whatever crimes that he's been

55:59

accused of. But still

56:01

he's still saying very misogynistic

56:03

and very Untrue things

56:05

about women both outside of your platform

56:08

and on your platform. So it's like,

56:10

how do you feel about that? Do

56:12

you not feel like he was giving

56:15

misogynistic views on your show? Okay.

56:17

So first off I totally

56:20

respect That

56:23

position and I have conversations

56:25

with my wife about this quite a lot. My

56:27

wife's very good at

56:30

giving me balance I'm

56:32

a man So I'm obviously going to learn

56:34

much more about a woman's point of view

56:36

from a woman. My wife's very kind very

56:39

balanced very logical and we have these discussions

56:41

and You know, I

56:43

don't think she would mind me to say a

56:45

lot of these things and more she's raised in

56:47

the conversation She's even raised, you

56:49

know, if I should think about that with my

56:52

association so there's a couple of things I want

56:54

to address going back before we move forward and

56:57

and I'm in this

56:59

position of my podcast where I

57:01

don't know if I Don't

57:05

know what why this happened But

57:08

we have had so many

57:10

really brilliant females agreed

57:13

to be on the show and then

57:17

They cancel once twice three and

57:20

four times and I've openly

57:22

talked about this now that one talking about it And I'll probably get

57:24

some hate for it. I mean, I tell you what I was In

57:27

two minds. Yeah having you on the show.

57:29

Okay, that's interesting And obviously we'll talk afterwards

57:32

whether you think it was a good decision

57:34

or not and I'll accept whatever But

57:36

by the way, the many of

57:38

these females was white it was pre-androthete

57:40

It was pre Jordan Peterson It was

57:42

when all the people I was interviewing

57:45

were entrepreneurs that none of them were

57:47

in any way controversial If you go

57:49

back and look at my early stuff, I don't

57:51

know they get the controversial. They're just all entrepreneurs

57:53

It used to be called the disruptive entrepreneur so

57:55

you can see the evolution and

57:57

you know, we had Joe Malone We

58:00

had Hilary Devay unfortunately has passed away and

58:02

loads of others and I don't want to

58:04

sit here and name and shame but they

58:06

fucked us around. Yeah come here oh no

58:08

yeah come here oh no yeah come here

58:10

oh no yeah come here oh no yeah

58:13

no yeah no yeah no you

58:15

know we had the Jacqueline Gold you know

58:17

associated with West Ham and she pulled out

58:19

to illness when we knew she was watching

58:22

the Champions League match. So

58:25

in my most... Do you think that women are

58:28

flaky? No I

58:30

am not saying women are flaky

58:33

you know remember I'm the guy on this discussion

58:35

that says that nuance is

58:37

important I am saying that on

58:39

my podcast with all the successful

58:42

women I wanted to get and

58:44

wanted to give a voice and

58:46

had them agreed they were

58:48

the most flaky that

58:51

is what I'm saying and that's my

58:53

experience and that is a fact and I haven't

58:55

mentioned half of them and it might even be

58:57

the first time I've even said their name and

58:59

they fucked us about and you have

59:01

to go places and pay for hotels and all this kind of

59:03

stuff and I

59:06

went inside and I went is it me you

59:08

know have I got some projection

59:10

of too much maleness or

59:13

you know of course many women accused me

59:15

of that but... Did they? What did they

59:17

say? Well yeah it's you Rob. But

59:20

did they say it's because you're too manly

59:23

and too... Well you tell me because I

59:25

can tell you this and I'll

59:27

say this now I don't think I've ever

59:29

said anything that's in the remotest bit more

59:31

misogynistic ever online just because Andrew Tate says

59:33

it doesn't mean I think it and I

59:35

never have and you can go back and

59:37

you can see what's on the internet and

59:39

I went inside and thought is there something

59:41

about me that's repelling them and

59:44

I really worked on it and we do

59:46

you know what we even did we even

59:48

started using my PA who's a female internally

59:50

to communicate with them to wondering

59:52

if we were being a bit

59:55

aggressive or pushy and we could

59:57

not get round it and

59:59

now Now, we're at the stage where

1:00:03

we had all these great women, they cancelled

1:00:05

us one, two, three and four times. I mean, Hilary

1:00:07

Devae, four or five times. And in

1:00:09

the last one or two times, she was ill and, you know,

1:00:11

I rest in peace, you know. There's

1:00:13

no judgement from me on here, but if it had

1:00:15

been my way, there'd be like, there'd be

1:00:17

35% women at least. And

1:00:20

in the end, do you know what my MD, who's

1:00:22

a woman, said? She says, maybe it's not your demographic.

1:00:24

Maybe you should just stop trying to get women on

1:00:26

the show and putting all this effort when you can't.

1:00:29

And then women would say, oh, come on, but

1:00:31

they're not known or they haven't got a band. And,

1:00:34

you know, I'm at the stage where I can

1:00:36

attract those people. So I tried. Now,

1:00:38

you couldn't always try harder. But then we've

1:00:40

got Peterson, who's very male, and then we've

1:00:42

got Auntie Tate, who's very male. And we've

1:00:44

got Katie Hopkins, who's a very male-female. And

1:00:46

so now when people go on, I can

1:00:48

understand that it's like, whoa, this is like

1:00:51

male. And if there's

1:00:53

anyone listening who knows anyone who's

1:00:55

a very successful female, and

1:00:58

is of the right caliber, I will have

1:01:00

them on my show in an instant. And,

1:01:03

you know, I'll have whatever conversations we need

1:01:06

to have. I'm not scared to go to

1:01:08

those places, as you can see

1:01:10

here. I'd love to do it. But

1:01:13

if I'm taking full responsibility, we

1:01:15

haven't nailed that. But

1:01:18

I'm also, you know, sometimes people say to me things like,

1:01:20

well, you know, but they've got kids. And, you

1:01:22

know, I'm just thinking, well,

1:01:25

these women are really successful in business.

1:01:28

I imagine that their word is important

1:01:30

to them. And they've become wildly successful

1:01:32

as a woman by

1:01:35

probably having to deal with kids and stuff.

1:01:37

I cannot give an excuse as

1:01:40

to why nearly all the people that

1:01:42

miss us around three or four times

1:01:45

have been women. Yeah, I couldn't

1:01:47

find any other. And now you're right. Now

1:01:49

I'm at the bottom. I mean, my listenership

1:01:51

is 85 percent male. Yours might

1:01:53

be 85 percent female. I don't know. And

1:01:57

we've almost manifested that because...

1:02:00

because in the end you're

1:02:02

like how many, like I'd love

1:02:04

to have Sarah Blakely on the show. But

1:02:07

I've had 20 equivalent males of her,

1:02:10

20 male billionaires. And

1:02:13

not, do you know we've gone for every female

1:02:15

billionaire? Every single one,

1:02:17

we've got none. So

1:02:20

I'm here opening my soul

1:02:23

on the anatomy of a leader, saying,

1:02:26

bring it. But

1:02:31

I think there's something in Successful Women

1:02:33

that they're holding back. What

1:02:35

do you think that is? I don't know. I'd

1:02:37

love to talk about it, but I've got to get

1:02:39

them on my show to talk to them about it.

1:02:41

And now they go on my YouTube and they see

1:02:43

Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate, David, I. I don't think

1:02:45

you're a misogynist, but I

1:02:48

feel that, I'm

1:02:51

not gonna say like siding with

1:02:53

him, but I think the fact

1:02:55

that you are supporting him

1:02:57

by having him on your show. In

1:03:01

the beginning of your podcast with him, you said that

1:03:03

you're going to challenge him. And I

1:03:05

scrolled down and said, are you a

1:03:07

misogynist? And you asked that once, but

1:03:09

you didn't probe him further on that.

1:03:11

Like you didn't go deeper in that.

1:03:14

Round two. Well, I don't

1:03:16

know if I'm gonna survive watching that. Fair

1:03:18

enough. Let me, look,

1:03:21

I don't think he, that I can

1:03:23

remember, blurted any

1:03:26

or much misogyny on my episode,

1:03:28

compared to all the stuff he'd done in

1:03:30

the past. If there's anything specific you want

1:03:33

to ask me, I will state whether

1:03:35

I think that's misogynistic or not. I mean, one of the things

1:03:37

that he talks about is like the, I don't know exactly

1:03:39

if this is word for word, but gender

1:03:41

pay gap does not exist because

1:03:44

women choose not to go for higher

1:03:46

paying jobs. That's what he said. Yeah,

1:03:49

I don't think that's misogynistic. Why not?

1:03:52

I think it's a generalization. Because

1:03:55

I think if you look at the, if you look at

1:03:57

the modeling industry, my guess, I've

1:03:59

got any facts. My guess

1:04:01

is when we get paid more than me. That's my

1:04:03

guess. I had this discussion with... I want

1:04:05

to have this discussion. I had this with my wife.

1:04:07

We had a really good discussion. She

1:04:09

came from the gender equality. I came

1:04:12

from a different perspective. And I think we met in

1:04:14

the middle. Let me tell you why I think about this.

1:04:16

I believe in value

1:04:18

equality. So if you bring

1:04:20

more value than me, you should be paid more than

1:04:23

me. I don't care what your gender is. If I

1:04:25

bring more value than you... But value is not an

1:04:27

absolute... No, it's perceived by the

1:04:29

market that you're in. Yes, and the perception

1:04:31

of the market is based on what society believes

1:04:34

to be valuable at that time. That is a

1:04:36

market. And if a society is patriarchal

1:04:39

or has more men seated

1:04:41

in the leadership positions, that

1:04:43

is going to dictate what

1:04:45

is valuable. Yes, it evolves. A

1:04:47

woman taking care of her home and taking care

1:04:49

of her kids is less valuable than a

1:04:51

man going out to earn a living. Well,

1:04:54

not necessarily, because that man might spend

1:04:56

half of his money on

1:04:58

his wife. Yes, but that's not always the

1:05:00

case. No, but it is often. It's much

1:05:02

more rare in reverse. But it's not

1:05:04

that rare for it to not be

1:05:07

the case. The thing I think with... The

1:05:09

value argument, in my opinion, like, well,

1:05:12

you know, male footballers should be paid

1:05:14

more because there's more of a market

1:05:16

and female footballers should be paid less

1:05:18

because, well, no women watches them. Well,

1:05:20

it's not been the right thing for

1:05:22

women to watch sports. Why?

1:05:25

It's not the women that decided that

1:05:27

necessarily. I don't believe that. Yeah, well, I mean,

1:05:29

I think that... And the same thing for

1:05:31

models being paid more because, well, you

1:05:33

know, they're female and the male models

1:05:35

get paid less. Well, the market has

1:05:38

been created by men. Yes, yes. It's

1:05:40

been created by men. But I don't really

1:05:42

include myself in this because, remember, I believe

1:05:45

value and I don't care what the sex

1:05:47

is. And I... By

1:05:49

The Way, I practice what I preach and

1:05:51

I hire more men than women. And There's

1:05:53

reasons for that because they have fundamentally different

1:05:55

set of skills to men. And As a

1:05:57

recruiter, I'm sure you would know this. Charting

1:06:00

a valuable and built building a

1:06:02

company and zip the football discussion

1:06:04

is a good one. Because.

1:06:06

Am I don't think. The.

1:06:09

I'm the captain of England or

1:06:11

Spain currently. Should. Be paid as

1:06:13

much as Li Li enormously. Far.

1:06:15

I think that women's football is

1:06:18

doing a great job. Of.

1:06:20

Showing us will value as I mean

1:06:22

that the British team are probably a

1:06:24

bit more entertaining than the men's team.

1:06:27

They went the got to the final

1:06:29

and things are changing. And

1:06:31

so in that regard, there is progress.

1:06:34

progress made We've not had in society

1:06:36

for a long time, and there's a

1:06:38

lot more. As. You

1:06:40

say patriarchal? matriarchal influence?

1:06:43

I. Don't care. About

1:06:45

whether it's a man or a woman

1:06:47

I pass who's bringing value in his

1:06:49

advise you Useful to society. But here's

1:06:51

the problem. I'm not the judge of

1:06:54

that. If if I in society there

1:06:56

would be no gambling. But.

1:06:58

Then it would probably be done illegally

1:07:00

wouldn't ai they wouldn't necessarily up at

1:07:03

like. That's not my judgment. In my

1:07:05

company you get paid the most if

1:07:07

you offer the most value and must.

1:07:09

Many of our savior and people are

1:07:11

women and we very supportive of them.

1:07:14

Matriarchal needs that that men don't have.

1:07:16

So or it doesn't take a me.

1:07:18

And. Because. I

1:07:21

also acknowledge I'm no women and have not

1:07:24

had the same suppression as a woman might

1:07:26

be. Spot Cox is not a crime to

1:07:28

be a forty four you're a white my

1:07:30

Elisa which a lot of people yeah I

1:07:32

think that I am site and because I'm

1:07:35

a forty four year old want math I

1:07:37

had our i wasn't given anything ice employer.

1:07:39

A lot of women are trying be fat

1:07:41

trying to think about equality bus I have

1:07:43

my own vantage point. I acknowledged to you

1:07:45

if I was the mother of a fifteen

1:07:48

year old girl I might perceive Andrew tight

1:07:50

in a different way. Because I have

1:07:52

my own lens, I have never said

1:07:54

anything misogynist. Deck: I don't think talking

1:07:56

about the gender pay gap is misogynist.

1:07:58

The icy think it's. Is it not good?

1:08:01

For. People who want that to be less of a

1:08:03

gender pay gap. the some like I did a machete

1:08:05

a good but not when you denying that it's existence

1:08:07

yet. But the thing is you're going up two sides

1:08:09

of an argument aren't was surely one. People waiting in

1:08:12

six to him waiting and with you agree on all

1:08:14

of a sudden. Twenty. Million

1:08:16

people are discussing it that were before

1:08:18

a subtle good. The no. I don't think

1:08:20

it's good. What? Would you rather not talk

1:08:22

about it is not Or another hundred you know I. Would

1:08:25

rather it's it's an interview situation When he

1:08:27

saying that gender pay gap doesn't exist and

1:08:29

at the same time he says will people

1:08:31

don't research and don't go deep into the

1:08:33

subject and don't look at all of the

1:08:35

fact where he hasn't gone into the fact

1:08:38

see you as an interview. I have a

1:08:40

duty to push him on that and Navy

1:08:42

you know the try to get the other

1:08:44

side of the story and that's my opinion.

1:08:46

About the of course and are as the thing

1:08:48

is you would interview invited to for me. To

1:08:50

me you'd have a great T V M upload.

1:08:53

Know Blitz hypothetically so you would interview him. you

1:08:55

would interview in very differently with a very different

1:08:57

set of questions based on your own. Beliefs.

1:08:59

And person expenses. I'm always open to

1:09:01

be asked to. Ah Andrew A question

1:09:03

is if there's anything anyone thinks I'm

1:09:05

missing. My interview questions send them, put

1:09:07

them on the you Tube videos asked

1:09:09

me to ask them on I often

1:09:11

do and as you know it's not

1:09:13

was he says come up with really

1:09:15

good question and samba as I am

1:09:18

an open book on I'll take any

1:09:20

suggestions. in fact five on at a

1:09:22

question for and that's half the work

1:09:24

done for my for my next interview

1:09:26

so I'd be very grateful. I think.

1:09:28

Ultimately, I'm aware of

1:09:30

my own biases and they are

1:09:33

was tying them. By

1:09:35

I'm in, I'm not writing my

1:09:37

daughter of never cynicism, misogynist take

1:09:39

a no one would ever sam

1:09:41

he misfortune to stick to towards

1:09:43

my wife. I mean I always

1:09:45

speak very highly of my wife.

1:09:49

And I would be quite happy

1:09:51

to interview far more. Women:

1:09:53

And are quite be a be caught Be

1:09:56

Clapton's we undertake and then it's be some.

1:09:58

was completely against and retire. One of

1:10:00

the other it onto the a who should. Have on

1:10:02

the show is I think his name is

1:10:04

Richard Reeves. Has written a

1:10:06

book on boys. Own. Only

1:10:08

boys and men. They think is a

1:10:10

sudden the Us I think is. British. Tude I'm

1:10:13

Harry Richard Rave. Okay, should.

1:10:15

Take a look at his book

1:10:17

because he believes the gender equality

1:10:19

is all about looking at the

1:10:21

other side, which is looking at

1:10:23

the young men in our society

1:10:25

and redefining or creating the version

1:10:27

of masculinity that is relevant for

1:10:29

our society today. So I think

1:10:31

she would have a lot to

1:10:33

say. About allowed. One thing I will

1:10:35

say about back as recently people have

1:10:37

been asking me about masculinity. odds are

1:10:39

really talk about it too much lot

1:10:41

my wheelhouse, his business and money. Now

1:10:44

people are asked me about gender identity

1:10:46

and misfortune. I masculinity and and his

1:10:48

life will say is this. Is

1:10:50

I acknowledge is quite confusing to

1:10:53

be a young male right now.

1:10:56

And. Are you know I think

1:10:58

that there's a lot of last young

1:11:00

men out there? I think I mean.

1:11:03

When. I went through puberty of his.

1:11:05

Fucking confusing. Imagine now being a child.

1:11:07

I'm and you've got children. And when

1:11:09

I get to teens with a with

1:11:11

East Sixty or different gender identities and

1:11:14

everything else I'm not saying any of

1:11:16

them are wrong, I'm It's in my

1:11:18

opinion this two main sexes, but I

1:11:20

accept an unlimited number of gender identities

1:11:22

if you want to identify. But if

1:11:24

my child comes back I'm also identifies.

1:11:27

A caf got problem on a fuck.

1:11:29

what do I do here? And so

1:11:31

yes, society is not like it was.

1:11:33

When I was young and a

1:11:35

changes and up. Gotta. Dance

1:11:37

and evolve with and there was no one like

1:11:40

Andrew type. yeah back when I was on the

1:11:42

paradox of and of tight lunch or dinner for

1:11:44

said about your use paradox earlier. but everything as

1:11:46

an upside. The downside and it has bought me

1:11:48

a massive following and Crit got me connected with

1:11:50

some really good people in his book Mail of

1:11:52

Heat. And and are

1:11:55

I'm okay with going to those places on

1:11:57

I'm okay if there's a and opposite version.

1:12:00

Okay with interviewing them to but you

1:12:02

know I I hope that people will

1:12:04

say the I am Me and my

1:12:06

I'm on my own person. And

1:12:09

is you know my life. My

1:12:12

beliefs and opinions are mine. I

1:12:15

don't believe what ever everything Katie Hopkins as

1:12:17

would do Jordan Peters has a by blacks

1:12:19

a spot. I've interviewed loads of really

1:12:21

cool people which are not controversial but we're

1:12:24

not talking about them which is of shines.

1:12:26

Know that we're not talking about Hundred

1:12:28

K because of him. For me I

1:12:30

would rather not see his face ever

1:12:33

again or talk about. that's the reason

1:12:35

being is first will be on my

1:12:37

show and you have interviewed him and

1:12:39

new. Some of the things he says

1:12:42

I think are damaging both two women

1:12:44

but also to men and that and

1:12:46

behavior and supporting not in my opinion

1:12:48

is right. And

1:12:50

so it's just trying to understand your

1:12:52

perspective on it because you are right.

1:12:54

They are very young. Young, vulnerable

1:12:57

men who lost to don't know

1:12:59

how to be and just because

1:13:01

you say that you've workouts, you're

1:13:03

rich and to work hard, or

1:13:05

you say you do all of

1:13:07

these things that doesn't. Automatically.

1:13:10

Give you. A

1:13:12

free pass. To say you

1:13:14

are the terrible things beyond all of

1:13:16

these things combined mean that everything will

1:13:18

the good that you have done it

1:13:21

kind of like wiped away from you.

1:13:23

If he were to come up and

1:13:25

say I have knowledge what I said

1:13:27

is wrong or I acknowledge that this

1:13:29

has hurt somebody and you know this

1:13:31

is what I'm doing to correct it

1:13:33

to educate myself. Okay, maybe. But.

1:13:35

That hasn't happened and he

1:13:37

hasn't apologized and he hasn't

1:13:39

said anything about it to

1:13:41

take away the damage the

1:13:43

I believe he is doing

1:13:46

to both women. On to

1:13:48

men. So. Yeah, that's

1:13:50

my. Opinion Yes, we are and I

1:13:52

am accept that and respect that.

1:13:55

And I think that the evolution of

1:13:58

and retain what happens in his. And

1:14:00

beyond and afterwards is gonna be

1:14:02

interesting to see them. Me and

1:14:05

I see a lot of people

1:14:07

in his community who they essentially

1:14:09

want to be him. That

1:14:11

that's because they don't nine the day

1:14:13

off and. And I am

1:14:15

Me. and I don't smoke cigars. Hard

1:14:19

on gum, bash people up. And

1:14:22

the and near I owe this

1:14:24

stuff. Visit

1:14:27

The young impressionable men are looking to

1:14:29

find who they are and then because

1:14:31

they don't ask the father figure. That

1:14:34

they will One in all my father think

1:14:37

or they have the wrong father fake I

1:14:39

mean is possibly just the asked with mass

1:14:41

just as bad as an s Then they're

1:14:43

going to look for these. Of.

1:14:45

The role models which I think now

1:14:48

would probably saying something similar and he

1:14:50

had to the yeah life I hope.

1:14:52

I mean he'd say that he does bow,

1:14:54

just say this to him as a unit.

1:14:56

This gets to him. but I hope he

1:14:58

really does. Think about his influence and the

1:15:00

impact is happening because. He can

1:15:03

see is positive impact. can he see

1:15:05

as negative impact and is there awakens

1:15:07

could continue to have a positive impact

1:15:09

and maybe less than the negative impact

1:15:12

That that's up to Something you could

1:15:14

ask? yes I. Think anybody who

1:15:16

has created so much damage

1:15:19

has been basically cancelled if

1:15:21

they come back and they

1:15:23

all. You. Know what? I'm.

1:15:25

A changed man and I'm gonna prove

1:15:27

a t on going to show it

1:15:29

to you. I feel that will do

1:15:31

a lot of good for society. this

1:15:33

is you can see that transformation and

1:15:35

what is possible. That is it possible

1:15:37

to create change? Either possible to create

1:15:39

an even more of a positive influence

1:15:41

if they have been one to start

1:15:43

with. So yes I think it is

1:15:45

financing Everybody deserves a second chance and

1:15:47

again I don't know. Oppose it

1:15:49

is kind of what a free thing. And

1:15:51

yes that is also a choice they're making.

1:15:54

The i don't want to go to because

1:15:56

it's very very. Triggering. For me

1:15:58

and going back in I was it was. Thinking

1:16:00

about as we said we are what

1:16:02

the misconceptions you had about me and

1:16:05

there was something about your voice, Gary's

1:16:07

than and Six voice and Jordan Peterson

1:16:09

voice. And undertakes

1:16:11

voice in the think there ought. Please.

1:16:14

Bear with me. There are some

1:16:16

similarities because you're which are this

1:16:18

elevated you can put passionate you

1:16:20

can call it it's it's very

1:16:22

emotionally triggering. I know thinking why

1:16:24

does with during season did kind

1:16:26

of have the effect on me

1:16:29

but then when I listen to

1:16:31

what he's saying on. also the

1:16:33

fact that he cries a lot

1:16:35

when he gets very emotional to

1:16:37

me online. Okay, this person is

1:16:39

using a range of his emotions.

1:16:41

He is comfortable with a different

1:16:43

range. Of emotions to get his

1:16:45

message across and his messages over

1:16:48

all extremely positive. I believe two

1:16:50

young men with. Andrew.

1:16:52

Tape. When. I hear

1:16:54

his voice. It makes me angry. It.

1:16:56

Makes me so angry and I'm

1:16:59

like what is this? I'm One

1:17:01

thing I realize about myself is

1:17:03

like when I feel angry most

1:17:05

of the time it's I injustice

1:17:07

towards somebody else or injustice towards

1:17:09

me. But the underlying emotion under

1:17:12

the anger is here. So.

1:17:15

I like. Affect his anger

1:17:17

and then it's fear, fear for what will

1:17:19

happen to the young boys, say what might

1:17:22

happen to young girl and then also fear

1:17:24

like only if I were to meet the

1:17:26

person face to face like I would be

1:17:28

scared of him as a woman. I

1:17:30

would be get. Paid

1:17:33

when he. Saying those things about it

1:17:35

makes me think, well, I don't want

1:17:37

more men to be raised in this

1:17:39

kind of an image. And

1:17:42

it's interesting that you get us about

1:17:44

masculinity and I don't want to go

1:17:46

down sort of. You know, different genders.

1:17:48

What you did say something about, well,

1:17:50

you know, maybe I'm kind of like

1:17:52

to manly so there is something on

1:17:55

your mind about that. So what is

1:17:57

your version of the best. Of.

1:17:59

What I'm. Can be. So.

1:18:04

Ah the since the whole masculinity thing

1:18:06

as come out. And

1:18:08

toxic masculinity. I have. Taken

1:18:10

some time to think about this now

1:18:12

my wife always tells me there are

1:18:14

more of a man and these men

1:18:16

which ya makes me feel very last

1:18:18

wouldn't and makes you mean by that

1:18:21

was so I asked her why are

1:18:23

these things I'm sorry this is what

1:18:25

she says about me so I find

1:18:27

Paris how about you nice the it's

1:18:29

better coming from someone else and all

1:18:31

made that the she believes that I'm

1:18:33

an ambitious person. Sas. A manly

1:18:35

thing. For her to her that and

1:18:38

right yeah she believes that she's attracted

1:18:40

to my ambitions when she she recalls

1:18:42

when we met and apparently I went

1:18:44

straight outta to talk to talk to

1:18:46

our the. she was actually one of

1:18:48

the only the very few people I've

1:18:50

ever gone up and checked it up

1:18:52

and opponent had a business card ruff

1:18:54

more property in best on a guy

1:18:57

return and seat after. So this guy's

1:18:59

a property investor by like his hosts

1:19:01

far I used to it I'm sorry

1:19:03

for pronounced.bronx and and sheet and see

1:19:05

what she said. She liked about me

1:19:07

with my ambition and cause she met

1:19:09

me when I was broken you up

1:19:12

a bill up and nine but we've

1:19:14

built together at yard and a nice

1:19:16

empire on up in the the guy

1:19:19

this on the financial parts. her ambition

1:19:21

is one and she thinks kindness and

1:19:23

compassion actually really makes a man and

1:19:26

she believes that I am that and

1:19:28

she thinks someone who and. It.

1:19:30

Is in touch with their emotions but. You

1:19:33

know isn't' so we can.

1:19:35

Fly. T and a pushover.

1:19:39

And. Say shit she would see that

1:19:41

as a a man lit manly quality

1:19:43

I meet my was quite practical person

1:19:45

says she doesn't say things. I am

1:19:47

being sensitive or romantic because whenever I'm

1:19:49

rematch with ashes at what do you

1:19:51

want to see if he has is

1:19:53

just a time when you give money

1:19:55

to the i die you I am

1:19:57

giving me all of that right? Yeah

1:19:59

so compassion. kindness,

1:20:02

ambition, I think knowing

1:20:05

who you are and having a vision

1:20:08

and clarity of self, I think she

1:20:11

finds... So this is what she thinks of you,

1:20:13

so what do you think are the... Well that's

1:20:15

what she says are the

1:20:17

masculine traits about me that she likes. Obviously

1:20:19

there's the physical ones as well, I won't

1:20:21

go into those. But that's her opinion, what's

1:20:23

your opinion? Well the reason I gave

1:20:26

her opinion is because maybe it's more

1:20:29

accurate or balanced. I

1:20:33

think if you have to go on and

1:20:35

on about you being a man, like

1:20:38

I asked someone, because apparently there's all these phrases

1:20:40

like alpha male, and what was the other one

1:20:42

Harry? Sigma male. What

1:20:44

is sigma male? Yeah, like beyond alpha.

1:20:47

Oh with you? Yeah. Well

1:20:50

this is it, and this makes me squirm.

1:20:53

And if anyone says they are an

1:20:55

alpha or a sigma male, that

1:20:57

like you get triggered, I'm getting triggered. I'm

1:21:00

not actually triggered about it, I find it

1:21:02

laughable. Well we're all... I guess that's triggered.

1:21:05

Yeah. And we get triggered in different ways.

1:21:07

Yeah I mean I'm not going to let it ruin my life,

1:21:09

I'm probably going to judge a bit. So

1:21:11

talking about my own masculinity publicly

1:21:14

makes me feel like a bit

1:21:16

like I'm defining the alpha. Well

1:21:18

it's not really about your masculinity,

1:21:20

I think my question is more

1:21:23

about what's you believe defines a

1:21:26

man, like a good man. That's

1:21:28

the question. Okay, what defines a good man?

1:21:33

Someone

1:21:35

who has

1:21:37

leadership qualities, who

1:21:40

can take a problem

1:21:42

or a situation and make a

1:21:44

decision without a committee and

1:21:47

go and make positive change. Now that

1:21:49

can also be a woman, can't it?

1:21:53

But That's one character trait, whether they're

1:21:55

the leader of the family or the

1:21:57

organisation or whatever.. Is.

1:22:00

The. Sexual And the testosterone and

1:22:03

that energy? Yeah, I find it

1:22:05

confusing and this is quite normal,

1:22:07

but do find it confusing when

1:22:10

I meet. Women who

1:22:12

got very masculine energies and. Man.

1:22:14

You've got very feminine energies my at my wife

1:22:16

has he has a say on the she thinks

1:22:18

it's all these to gym in the water but.

1:22:22

That zapping us that? that. This a

1:22:24

you so that the eastern and making men.

1:22:26

Less masculine? Yeah, yeah, because of the

1:22:28

semi. The toughest our friends levels away.

1:22:31

Now you know on average sized theory

1:22:33

is that I mean if I had

1:22:35

my testosterone. Ah, Wouldn't

1:22:37

have the Gap on go or wouldn't do

1:22:39

the challenges in our the Challenges on the

1:22:42

chassis boxing match and in a challenge right

1:22:44

now break world records, Do those things that

1:22:46

I'm not saying that's not. A

1:22:48

female thing. So why don't want people

1:22:50

to? Hey when I say this is

1:22:52

what masculine it I want that people

1:22:54

are going to judge. Go for women.

1:22:56

Could be that to I'm trying to

1:22:58

answer your question without caviar myself. Such

1:23:00

strong leadership, decisive qualities, and. Gag.

1:23:03

Testosterone and the

1:23:05

mail energy. And.

1:23:08

What isn't. A swap

1:23:10

come from testosterone is was comes from

1:23:12

biologically being a male which is the

1:23:14

which is why would you have a

1:23:16

transgender They that could be a lesson

1:23:18

rides because that's what testosterone to provide.

1:23:20

it will. if it's a manifesting of

1:23:22

know what is It manifests in aggression

1:23:24

and competitiveness which you would deem as

1:23:26

homeschooling quality Senate He said yes and

1:23:28

I don't think we can deny a

1:23:30

think of good man. Controls.

1:23:33

Those I think will a good man does. Is.

1:23:36

Zeit can be powerful and dangerous

1:23:38

and damaging. To. Protect.

1:23:41

On. An epic. Would

1:23:44

join. The point is little it's

1:23:46

about restraint. And I do agree

1:23:48

with Ice about like our time. Be

1:23:51

polite with everyone am I'm not really.

1:23:54

But. that you know i have side to

1:23:56

i used to do a lot self defense in

1:23:58

martial arts and and idea I do a charity

1:24:00

boxing match and I do other martial

1:24:02

arts now, but you'll never see

1:24:04

me start a fight. You will never see me start

1:24:06

a fight. Did you before? I've

1:24:09

never started a fight. Never. I'm

1:24:11

a lover, not a fighter. But I

1:24:13

think I do now see it, because

1:24:16

don't forget, if we were in World War II,

1:24:19

I probably would have had to learn our shooter gun, and

1:24:22

I probably would have been out there protecting, you

1:24:24

know, our country and my children and my

1:24:27

wife. And I'm fortunate enough not to

1:24:29

have had to have been in that situation, but I think

1:24:31

the world is changing now, and it feels a bit more

1:24:34

like, shit, could be close to World

1:24:36

War III and all this. So

1:24:38

society is making me think, you

1:24:40

know, maybe I should be able to protect

1:24:42

myself and my family, and that is a

1:24:44

more masculine thing than a feminine thing, because

1:24:47

naturally men are stronger than women. And

1:24:49

there are some people that say that women shouldn't learn

1:24:51

how to fight. They should learn how to use their

1:24:54

other skills. Because

1:24:57

most people don't want to agree that men and women

1:24:59

are different. They want to say equality. But

1:25:02

I prefer equity to equality, and men

1:25:04

and women are different. And

1:25:06

if we're going to make progress,

1:25:08

we have to acknowledge that. This

1:25:11

is why getting men to

1:25:14

change their gender and being in

1:25:17

female sports is fucking wrong. It

1:25:20

is wrong. Like, my wife says

1:25:22

this, and again, she might tell me off, but she reckons

1:25:24

that most men who change their

1:25:26

gender are

1:25:28

perverts. And she

1:25:30

doesn't think women change it to men. By

1:25:33

the way, I've interviewed Caitlyn Jenner.

1:25:35

I acknowledge there are some humans

1:25:37

who... It must be so confusing

1:25:39

to be them. But I think there

1:25:42

are many men who are,

1:25:45

you know... You can't allow this.

1:25:47

You know, there was the man that

1:25:49

got in the female prison and started

1:25:51

going mad. Why the fuck did they

1:25:53

allow that? How can you let an

1:25:56

ex-man compete in a woman's

1:25:59

sport? thing is men and women

1:26:01

are different and we

1:26:03

shouldn't allow men to go and compete

1:26:05

in women's arenas but

1:26:09

that is a highly charged subject. Yes.

1:26:11

I mean do you think a

1:26:13

man who's making out that they're a woman

1:26:15

should be able to go into a female changing rooms? I

1:26:18

am conflicted in that I don't

1:26:21

have the right answer to that or an

1:26:23

opinion strong enough because I do believe

1:26:26

that there are people who whether

1:26:28

they believe it or whether it is the

1:26:30

biological reason that they feel that they're not

1:26:32

in their right gender and I

1:26:34

think there is a subgroup of people who

1:26:37

feel and are not

1:26:39

accepted by society and when a

1:26:41

society groups people in male and female you

1:26:43

have a problem where do they go to

1:26:45

the bathroom so there has to be some

1:26:47

sort of and going into a male bathroom

1:26:49

is going to be dangerous for them so

1:26:51

I believe that that we don't we as

1:26:53

a society haven't got the right solution and

1:26:55

the only way we can say is like

1:26:57

you go to the female bathroom so is

1:26:59

there a third bathroom? That's the right

1:27:02

of one person putting the many

1:27:04

at risk. Well no

1:27:06

but surely one life is

1:27:08

also important that we shouldn't put them

1:27:10

at risk by them going potentially into

1:27:13

a male bathroom and being beaten up.

1:27:15

Yeah I mean we again we're getting into

1:27:17

the nuance where it's probably based on an individual. I

1:27:19

mean I don't think we can look at it

1:27:21

as a you know just the statistics

1:27:23

because no but how do you know

1:27:25

the individual situation dictate also how the

1:27:27

rest behaves and so I don't

1:27:30

have an answer to that I do

1:27:32

believe that if it's a transgender

1:27:34

man should not go into female

1:27:36

sports. Yeah I do completely agree. How does

1:27:38

that even happen? The advantage of having testosterone

1:27:40

in your body gives you

1:27:43

an advantage over a female woman so

1:27:45

that is not a category that they can

1:27:47

compete in. If they go into men's sports

1:27:50

you know is there a it's a public thing

1:27:52

is it different to go into a private space

1:27:54

which is a bathroom where you could potentially be

1:27:56

in danger. I think those two things are very

1:27:58

different. Yeah I yeah that they are different and

1:28:00

the sports one is easy for me. Which

1:28:03

sounds like it is for you. It

1:28:05

is for me because it's a physical advantage

1:28:08

and the reason why we separate men and

1:28:10

women is because men do have... Because men

1:28:12

and women are different. They are different. And it's

1:28:14

okay. I just said men and women are different.

1:28:16

We are. It's okay. We should not judge a

1:28:18

woman by a man's standards and we should not

1:28:20

judge a man by a woman's standards. But we

1:28:22

are judging women by... Well, if that's the problem

1:28:24

then. By men or standard. That's the problem then.

1:28:26

It is. It is. What

1:28:29

do you think about feminism? Ouch.

1:28:36

Define feminism. The

1:28:38

belief that men and

1:28:41

women deserve equality

1:28:43

or as you called it equity.

1:28:45

I'm going to use those words

1:28:47

interchangeably. I don't believe that men

1:28:49

and women should

1:28:51

have equality because

1:28:53

we are different. I

1:28:56

believe we should have equity where our

1:28:59

differences are honoured and

1:29:01

then individually

1:29:06

those skills and traits

1:29:08

that we have are very different are

1:29:11

maximised. And I would use an

1:29:13

analogy of the school system. So if you ask me

1:29:15

what I think about the school system I think it's

1:29:17

pretty shit. And I think we're taught a load of

1:29:19

general shit we don't need. And then when the geniuses

1:29:21

pops up in all of us because we're all a

1:29:23

genius in some way. In most

1:29:25

mainstream schools it doesn't get noticed.

1:29:28

What I would say in school is we

1:29:30

need to learn maths and English and things like that. But

1:29:33

then let's find a way that we can bring out the

1:29:35

individual genius. And then when we find the individual genius let's

1:29:37

get rid of all the friction and let's let

1:29:39

them go for it. Let's let them become themselves.

1:29:41

Let's not judge them. Because

1:29:44

you've got people who apparently have got learning

1:29:46

difficulties but they're fucking great at selling. Most

1:29:49

entrepreneurs are dyslexic for example. Is

1:29:52

that a fact? Well I don't know. No.

1:29:54

A Lot of entrepreneurs I know, famously people

1:29:57

like Richard Branson, my friend Neville Wright are

1:29:59

hideous. Italy Dyslexic. If your shit in the

1:30:01

classroom, you're probably good on the playground. Yeah,

1:30:03

you've got good. I actually live. What say

1:30:05

that the that. I've watched a little bit

1:30:07

of the Jordan peace than into the that

1:30:09

you did with him and I think he

1:30:11

brilliant me put people in terms of his

1:30:13

five personality trait yeah and entrepreneurs and that

1:30:16

kind of like artistic, creative And you know

1:30:18

when you're dyslexic, you can't rely on your.

1:30:20

Conscientiousness, Model inability to

1:30:22

be good with the a you've you've

1:30:25

gotta find out who you are and

1:30:27

then unleashed that in school is a

1:30:29

bit much noise. The and I'm blanking

1:30:32

on Broad and in a way society's

1:30:34

is a bit like Buys not really

1:30:36

on range of. Put. People into very

1:30:39

small can't agree that will either leave.

1:30:41

So they can't agree. of your a

1:30:43

masculine man, that means that's good, you're

1:30:45

feminine woman. That means that good and

1:30:47

everything else in between. It's kind of

1:30:49

like wow we don't understand it. Were

1:30:51

afraid of a bit like money like

1:30:53

we don't understand it. we might have

1:30:55

afraid we don't want to talk about

1:30:58

that and the same to win over

1:31:00

the eating to the education system where

1:31:02

we try to sit everybody into the

1:31:04

same old sit as a classroom desk

1:31:06

you know, pirate fashion line and. Don't

1:31:08

move and like that is not been

1:31:10

of a D H D is on

1:31:13

the rise. Why that is? These people

1:31:15

need to have physical activity like to

1:31:17

as we all day and so creating

1:31:20

bees very narrow view of what we're

1:31:22

supposed to be doing in my opinion

1:31:24

is what's creating the whole problem in

1:31:27

the first place, but some so. would

1:31:29

you consider yourself a feminist. I

1:31:33

would consider myself. I've never. really,

1:31:35

I don't like labels. Are

1:31:37

labeling myself. He.

1:31:41

Because. Are. Like

1:31:43

the fluidity and the freedom. Of

1:31:46

cause I think it's a real strength.

1:31:49

To. Be able to change your opinion. And

1:31:52

I think is a real strength to be out

1:31:54

have discourse. in a respectful

1:31:56

wave if you don't agree and hopefully

1:31:58

you'll feel that that's how discussion has

1:32:00

been in you could tell me at

1:32:02

the end so soon as I label myself I

1:32:04

brand myself something and then I don't have that

1:32:07

fluidity so I've

1:32:10

never really thought about labeling myself if

1:32:12

I if I were to start putting some labels on

1:32:14

myself because you're the first person that's asked I'm

1:32:17

a valuist what is that I

1:32:19

don't know I've just made it up okay well

1:32:22

what it's okay I believe you're picking something

1:32:24

out of the air what does it mean

1:32:26

something I'm giving you an exclusive scoop oh

1:32:28

my god you're a valuist how do

1:32:30

we join I believe we all

1:32:35

have latent value you're

1:32:38

smart in areas I'm not I've

1:32:40

read and researched in areas you haven't

1:32:43

our gentlemen here the same and

1:32:46

I believe if we could honor everyone's

1:32:48

individuality which is not easy because we

1:32:50

have to put them in boxes male

1:32:52

female you know left right because that's

1:32:54

easy but if we were

1:32:56

able to somehow give people the

1:32:58

fundamentals that they need in the foundation

1:33:00

to find their own value and uniqueness

1:33:03

and strengths and then

1:33:05

society rewarded that because it often

1:33:07

doesn't and then you

1:33:09

found had to be the most

1:33:11

valuable human you can as a drummer

1:33:13

or as an artist or as a podcaster

1:33:16

I that's what I am and that's

1:33:19

why I probably might like capitalism I mean

1:33:21

we don't we're not really in a capitalist

1:33:24

society it's a hodgepodge but I'd rather have

1:33:26

that over communism because at least capitalism creates

1:33:29

the free markets and the fair competition

1:33:31

it's not perfect so I'm

1:33:33

more of a valuist I'm I

1:33:35

like enterprise I mean I call

1:33:38

myself an entrepreneur that's just

1:33:40

because I love business and I'm passionate about business

1:33:42

but I'm probably more about free enterprise I mean

1:33:44

what are you good at good go do it let's get

1:33:47

the government out of the way let's give you as much

1:33:49

support as we can make sure let's make sure you're being

1:33:51

valuable though so we've got some rules and let's make sure

1:33:53

there's some competition down the road so you're

1:33:55

not greedy and let's play and let's

1:33:58

see what You know how we can. You

1:34:00

can make your greatest impact because

1:34:03

says if you imagine the collective

1:34:05

societies gonna be so much better

1:34:07

if ever ones as useful as

1:34:09

they campus but the problem is

1:34:12

societies this is so of like

1:34:14

very stereotyped several those. Which.

1:34:16

Judges every one. Because.

1:34:18

When you're just you can't be south. I. Society

1:34:20

to our guy. Almost like hundred and

1:34:23

God I've abandoned Gabi in the kitchen.

1:34:25

New God's existence. Not little world different

1:34:27

sized. Yeah, I'm a fan of the

1:34:29

West. Where have I can't. Know

1:34:32

I'm with you in terms of

1:34:34

putting people into two small categories

1:34:36

and society wanting to push you

1:34:38

into that because it's. That.

1:34:40

The brain. And need to

1:34:43

have all the human brain needs to

1:34:45

evolve to be able to account for

1:34:47

the different the nuance than the different

1:34:49

ways of being on a thing that's

1:34:52

definitely holding us back both you know

1:34:54

when it comes to my masculinity, femininity,

1:34:56

entrepreneur, corporate worker in a all these

1:34:58

labels that you. Will. Need to hang them? Play

1:35:00

Well, This is what's hot. Howdy? Forty. One

1:35:02

okay some forty four they sounds like

1:35:05

you're in recruitment mans of the work

1:35:07

place has since lockdown never seen it

1:35:09

turns summer and and sometimes could see

1:35:11

with money is enough speed and eight

1:35:13

friction side you know crypt or is

1:35:15

of far south form of money in

1:35:18

a rapid pace of fast form of

1:35:20

money to money was looking for the

1:35:22

fastest in the least amount of friction

1:35:24

and to a certain degree that's how

1:35:26

society most sometimes it devolved spot but.

1:35:29

Often. A of also I that and sars

1:35:31

you're going through this rapid change which gets

1:35:33

faster faster, you get left behind and it's

1:35:35

really hard to keep up. And and so

1:35:37

this is one that is why lopping and

1:35:39

entrepreneurs Because as to watch these things and

1:35:42

you know I'm talking about things on the

1:35:44

podcast today that quite frankly I didn't expect

1:35:46

to be talking about that. That's how far

1:35:48

things change. We started talking about that yet

1:35:50

he growled so they won't even don't for

1:35:52

it. But but the point is we started

1:35:54

about money which must freshly subjects and now

1:35:57

we're talking about all these other matter of

1:35:59

things. and social

1:36:01

media changes and content changes and business

1:36:03

changes. And generally the people

1:36:05

who are the least stressed, who

1:36:08

are able to find their value the most, who evolve

1:36:11

the quickest, and who generally do

1:36:13

the best in life, as a personal measure,

1:36:15

is those that can adapt to the change.

1:36:17

Because there's nothing more frustrating when you feel

1:36:19

you're stuck in another time zone. I

1:36:22

try not to be like that as a parent. You

1:36:24

know, when my son goes through puberty, I'm like, you

1:36:27

know, yeah, exactly. But

1:36:29

I'm thinking about when I was, but you

1:36:31

know, kids don't drink in the same way,

1:36:34

they don't socialise in the same way. So

1:36:36

I need to not be the

1:36:38

guy that's stuck in the 1980s or 90s. And

1:36:43

being an entrepreneur really helps you with that. One

1:36:45

of the things I really liked, what you said in your book, Money,

1:36:47

is, I

1:36:50

can't remember how you phrased it, so bear with me. I

1:36:52

think it was something to do is let the

1:36:55

money flow through you. And

1:36:57

I really liked that idea. And that

1:36:59

was, you know, when you gave me the £20, and I

1:37:01

was like, oh, I can't take it, because my personal belief

1:37:03

around money is that I have to deserve it. But

1:37:06

you could have gone and taken it to a nice boutiquey

1:37:08

cake shop and given both £20 with a cake, and

1:37:10

then got it and given those cakes away. Yeah, I could

1:37:12

have donated it to a charity of choice. Yes,

1:37:14

but even though it's like, it's

1:37:16

the block of saying, well, I still need

1:37:19

to deserve it, even if I am going

1:37:21

to be giving it away. But I like

1:37:23

this idea of flow, of letting it flow

1:37:25

through you. And being

1:37:28

more conscious about where

1:37:30

do you actually put your money, right? So

1:37:33

you can spend it on a Starbucks,

1:37:36

or you can go and spend it at your

1:37:38

local coffee shop where you talk to the owner

1:37:40

and you know their life and their kids and

1:37:43

you've seen them all grow up. You can, you

1:37:45

know, take this money, you can donate it

1:37:47

to a charity. You can take this money

1:37:49

and, I don't know, send it to your

1:37:53

relatives if you're an immigrant somewhere else. Or

1:37:55

you can buy some good hardware equipment for

1:37:57

your podcast. Oh, we do that. Yeah, yeah,

1:37:59

yeah. It's never-ending that is

1:38:01

yeah, it is never-ending. Yeah, so no I

1:38:03

really like that concept See

1:38:05

for money to be able to flow through you now this I'm

1:38:07

gonna bring it back to your discussion about rich So

1:38:10

the rich are very good at getting money flowing

1:38:12

through them people assume greedy people they make millions

1:38:14

and they hoard it They actually don't you

1:38:17

know they tip big they have a private Crew

1:38:19

on their private jet and a crew on their yachts

1:38:21

and all those people are feeding their families So like

1:38:24

money is a paradox. Do you use paradox? Everything

1:38:26

has that which means that if you hoard money

1:38:29

Well, I'm told to save I've got to say

1:38:31

this is mine No one will give you any

1:38:33