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Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is The

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Distraction Pieces podcast episode 557 and

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we've got ourselves a bonus episode on a

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Friday. We haven't done a Friday bonus episode

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in ages, right? Okay, here's the story on

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this. So, the

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year, but in 2022, as

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well as a Films of the Year podcast,

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we did a TV Shows of the Year

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podcast. Now, in 2023, I

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had so many guests in December

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in the new year. We had

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Emerald Fennell, we had

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Loki, Josh Weller, William Oldroyd, Rosie

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Marcel, Thomas Turgus, and then we

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kicked the year off with Joel

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Edgerton, Samuel T. Herring from Future

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Islands, Andrew Haig. It's just been

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hectic. So, we didn't have time to

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do TV Shows of the Year and we decided we

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weren't gunw. But then as soon as I told John

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and Joel of the Dream Factory podcast, who came on

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to help me with TV Shows of the Year, that

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we weren't doing it this year, all

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I could think about was my TV Shows of the

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Year. So, here we are, two

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months into 2024, to do the TV Shows of the

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Year 2023. I'm

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joined once again by Joel

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Grove and John Harris of

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the Dream Factory podcast. And

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we kind of went over our TV Shows of

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the Year and it was an absolute joy. I

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reckon there's going to be some that you missed

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or overlooked. There's going to be some that you

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agree with and love. And there's going to be

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some that you want to shout towards me and

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towards the Dream Factory lads.

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A Dream Factory, if you don't know, is one

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of the best podcasts out there. It's out

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every week. It's amazing. They describe what the

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podcast is in the episodes. So, let's get

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into it. In fact, I went on Dream

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Factory just a few weeks ago. We recorded

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it all in one night, but it came

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out a couple of weeks back. So,

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yeah, let's get into it. I mean,

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we shouldn't wait any longer. I've made

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you wait several months into the new

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year before covering last year. So, let's

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just go. This is episode

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557 of the Distraction Pieces

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podcast with John and Joel

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of the Dream Factory podcast

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discussing our TV shows of the

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year 2023. Right,

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I'm here today with John Harris

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and Joel Grove of the Dream

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Factory podcast. How are you both?

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Wow, yeah, yeah, I can be a woo as

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well. I'm feeling pretty good. How are

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you doing? I'm good. I'm excited

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to have you both back

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and listeners will be aware that this is a very

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late TV shows of the year 2023. But

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because I had this backlog of

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Joel Edgerton and Sam Yuleti,

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Herrin and all these, I thought I'm not going to be able

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to fit in a TV shows of the year. And

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then as soon as I committed to not doing a

3:06

TV shows of the year, all I could think of

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was TV shows of the year. And

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again, you guys, I

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often feel I have a commitment to

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John to do TV shows of the

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year because I think there's a lot

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of nerdy Marvel stuff that we both

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enjoy and you don't Joel. So it's

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to give him an outlet for some

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of this stuff. But yeah, how have

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you both been? Good, thank you. Yeah,

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I would say I definitely had a

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real appetite for nerdy stuff. And John

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has got a staying power with those series

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that is like remarkable. If John turned his

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hand to an endurance sport, he would be like the

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world's greatest ultra marathoner. There is

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no series that Disney can put out that

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he won't watch start to finish. It is

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absolutely incredible. You know, if he's committed to

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learning another language or playing the piano, he

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would be he'd be one of the greats.

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It's really impressive. I watched all of those

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first few series, you know, the vision or

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I'm still pretty into the Mandalorian, but

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yeah, John doesn't care what it is.

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If it's got that Disney watermark in

4:07

the top left-hand corner, he's watching it.

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That Marvel fanfare. How picky

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are you on the Star? Is it stars?

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Is that what the more

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adult stuff on Disney? What's it called? Yes,

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stars, I think. Stars, isn't it? Are you

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avid on that, John? I've

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watched some stars content, but I can't

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say I've watched it all. Because there's

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a Star series I watched that I don't know if

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I enjoyed it or not. I put it on my list

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because I got to the end of it, and I'm not

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sure if it was just a John-type resilience of I've started

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it, it's got good people in, or if

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I was really into it. But it's made the list because

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of that. But yeah. I think I

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might have the same show, but I'm worried that

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if it's not that show and you're like, no,

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I thought that was genuinely brilliant from start to

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end, regardless. So now I'm scared to say

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it. It might be the same show. Well, should we start

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with that? As we're going to be going back and forth

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on shows, John, what are you thinking? Is it Murder at

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the End of the World? It is. It

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is. And it was a weird one

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because I recommended it to people. And then I continued

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watching it. It was one of them was like, am

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I just watching this to complete it because it's kind

5:10

of a murder mystery. So they're the ultimate. Oh, I

5:12

have to get to the end because it's that. But

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I think I really enjoyed it. And I think

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everyone in it is fantastic. But yeah,

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it was an odd one. After it was finished,

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I didn't think about it an awful lot, if

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you know what I mean. Yeah, I think week

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to week. And there's definitely like a bit between

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like episode three and four. I was like, this

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is just excellent. And I

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don't think it's not excellent. And it's not even the

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reveal of the murder is like incredibly

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unsatisfying. I think it's pretty satisfying ending.

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But I think you're right. It's just

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I think in this conversation, I think

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that it's fair to say that some

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of this stuff might be so obvious that we don't even

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actually talk about it that much. But there is some of

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the best talent that's happened in decades in the last year.

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I think there's three shows in

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a row, I think that had an

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episode that everyone was like that's going

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to be the episode of the year. And then another show

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came out and there was another, no, that's going to be

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the, do you know what I mean? It

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felt like you almost forgot these amazing episodes,

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but because of all the other ones, but

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yeah. For sure. I think the thing

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we've murdered at the end of the world though as well was I was

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a huge fan of the OA. So I went

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into murder at the end of the world with

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a lot of trust in the people making it.

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Cause I thought OA was so at the time

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or for its time, it felt so clever and

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so groundbreaking. And it was the first

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show that I saw that would have

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a 20 minute episode and then a 70 minute

6:32

episode. And just, there's a famous

6:34

episode in it where the opening

6:37

title was only coming like 30 minutes

6:39

into the episode. So there's 30 minutes

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that were all pre-credits that kind of

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thing or pre-titles. So I

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think because of being such a fan of that,

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I went in maybe with more faith to murder

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at the end of the world than I might

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have. And again, I'm glad I pushed through, but

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I wonder if it wasn't made by that team. Would

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I have failed at some point?

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Can you give me a little two-liner on what the

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show is? I'm not seeing it. I'm

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not really aware of it. Well, a

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super genius billionaire

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has a party for a load of what he thinks

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are the world's greatest

7:14

thinkers, whether

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they be artists, scientists,

7:20

you know, whatever else. And at

7:22

that dinner party, someone dies and you're

7:24

then like, oh, who did this? Why

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did they do this? Why? Yeah.

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It's a good hook. Yeah. And

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again, this is a great show. about brilliant shows.

7:33

I don't want it to be all negative. There is

7:35

a character in the first episode whose job it is

7:38

is just to have to like act like

7:40

he's naturally explaining who every other person on

7:42

the trip is. And I felt so bad

7:44

for that. That actor's reform is basically like,

7:46

wait a second. You're the guy who wrote

7:48

that book about this thing. And I said,

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it must be so hard to be the

7:52

exposition guy. And that's the situation. Yeah. It

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literally, they should have got exposition

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into his name somewhere. Manuel

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Exposito would be perfect.

8:03

But yeah, well, Joel,

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would you like to pick a show? I don't want

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to make that your pick, John, because I've kind of

8:09

forced your hand there. So we can... Thank

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you. We'll go Joel and then to you and then I'll throw

8:14

one in and we'll go around like that. But yeah. So

8:17

there's definitely going to be quite a lot of crossover

8:19

here, right? So I think probably the big two for

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me will get to. I'm going to kind of swerve

8:23

those for now and go for one that... It might

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not be on your guys list, but it may well

8:27

be. I think probably still my

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favorite show over the last few years and

8:31

maybe my favorite show of last year is

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I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson,

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the sketch show on Netflix. It's into three

8:38

series now. And

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I just think there's been no let up

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in the quality of sketches and sort of

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the originalities of sketches in that show.

8:46

I think it hits a part

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of my brain, whichever bit

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of my brain receives humor, it hits

8:53

it so perfectly. It

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feels so perfectly attuned to my sense of

8:57

humor in the same way that I felt

8:59

when I first watched Limmy's sketch show and

9:01

shows like that. It just does something for

9:03

me. I think it's absolutely brilliant. It

9:06

has varying lengths in terms of episodes.

9:09

Sometimes there's kind of quick fire sketches. Sometimes there'll

9:11

be an eight minute sketch in a 14 minute

9:13

episode of that show. It's so

9:15

brilliant that the sketches just get given the room

9:18

that they need to have. And I

9:20

guess the most famous one from series three, and maybe

9:22

the best sketch in the show is

9:24

they're on a dating show. Honestly, you've got

9:26

a different favorite sketch. The flow of the

9:28

crew. Yeah. Yeah. But

9:31

there's also the dating reality show.

9:33

Yeah. And the setup is

9:35

it's like The Bachelor or something. This woman's

9:37

about to pick someone to leave the dating

9:39

show. She's got several potential suitors. And Tim

9:41

Robinson is one of them. And she says

9:43

that the problem with you, Tim, is that

9:45

you're just obsessed with this zip line. So

9:48

they all live in this big house and there's a swimming pool and there's a

9:50

zip line that goes down into the pool. And

9:52

then you just see all this footage of him just on

9:54

the zip line over there again. And he's clearly just

9:56

there for the zip line. And that's a hilarious bit,

9:59

right? Such a good. sketch and I watched it

10:01

again today. And what's so funny about that

10:03

sketch is that they're quite far into the

10:05

show. Like this isn't, he's not the first

10:07

person to be eliminated from his date. He's

10:10

been there for weeks and weeks of weeks

10:13

riding the zip line. And it's now he's getting

10:15

voted off. It's just, it's so good. And yeah,

10:17

the smoking crooner as well. It's so funny. It's

10:19

the first showing as long as I can remember

10:22

that me and my mates all got together to

10:24

watch it when this new series dropped, because it

10:26

is one that you can just binge them all

10:28

in one night, really. Cause they're, they're quite

10:30

short episodes. So because we'd

10:32

all watched cause I swear a series one

10:34

and two appeared on Netflix. Together, or

10:37

at least I just maybe hadn't heard of it. I've

10:39

maybe heard of it on a series too. So

10:41

I've watched all of them multiple times and everyone had

10:43

watched it. They were kind of in their own time.

10:46

And this was the first one that was like, right,

10:48

the new series are out. Let's just, let's just binge

10:50

them all. And it's just,

10:52

yeah, it's so funny. It's just

10:54

masterful. Have you watched? He's

10:56

on another show on Netflix. Can't

10:59

remember the name of it. It's called something like

11:01

the cat. It's just called characters, I think. And

11:03

it's a different comedian each episode.

11:05

Yeah. And it proceeded this and it's, it's

11:07

him. It's a, it's essentially a, a warmup

11:11

for, I think you should leave. And yeah,

11:13

it's fantastic as well. There's that show. He

11:15

did that show Detroiters as well, which is

11:18

one of those, it's really hard to get

11:20

in the UK by seeing, I see I

11:22

bought a few bits and pieces from Detroit.

11:24

He's just, yeah. Like I say, there's just

11:26

something about his style that my main recommend

11:28

is under the, it's really hard to get

11:30

in the UK, which is really awkward. Cause

11:32

I'm very much pro supporting the arts, blah,

11:35

blah, blah, blah, blah. But we'll

11:37

get to that. But yeah, I love those, those, but this is when

11:39

we get to the ad for Nord VPN. I

11:43

love it. I love it. John,

11:46

would you like to add anything to that or,

11:48

or, or go into your first choice? I mean,

11:50

I basically cosigned that. I think it's absolutely brilliant.

11:52

It's the length of the episodes as well. That

11:54

means that you can, I know that

11:56

we, it's not a competition, but it is nice to be able to sort

11:58

of take a show off your list. in an

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evening and that is well within

12:03

that. Right I'm going to start

12:05

with a technicality because we recorded

12:07

the 2022 episode in

12:09

November and in December

12:12

I Hate Susie 2 came

12:14

out. Which

12:16

is written by Lucy Preble and Billy Piper and

12:18

there was only three episodes and it was released

12:21

over that Christmas period which I think was potentially

12:23

to the detriment of it in terms of its

12:25

coverage and stuff because it came out at a

12:27

time, it came out at this limbo period where

12:30

people aren't really covering Telly in the same

12:32

way and you know last year's

12:34

awards it wasn't really sort of praised as

12:36

much as it should have but it's absolutely

12:38

brilliant. It is it's sort of a study

12:40

in anxiety it's three of the sort of

12:42

most anxiety inducing sort of tense pieces of

12:44

TV I've ever seen. For those

12:47

who haven't seen it it's maybe not

12:49

semi-autobiographical but there's definitely elements from Billy

12:51

Piper's actual life that made its way

12:54

into this show. It is about a

12:56

invert, kind of washed up former celebrity

12:59

who in the first one she has a sex

13:01

tape scandal and in the second one

13:04

she second series which is only three episodes she's

13:06

trying to sort of get her life back

13:08

together and she goes on to a sort of

13:11

Dancing with the Stars, Strictly Come Dancing

13:13

style TV show competition. Amazing

13:15

performance from Blake Harrison as an ex-footballer

13:17

on this this Dancing show is so

13:20

good. It really is it's one of

13:22

those ones where you know I think

13:24

the guys who played The Inbetweeners you

13:27

know are probably happy to have been

13:30

the cast of an iconic iconic television show so

13:32

that's probably more than enough but I do feel

13:34

like I feel a bit sorry for him in

13:36

a way because I think he will he's known

13:38

as the sort of idiot comedy guy when actually

13:40

he's clearly a brilliant actor

13:42

just generally. Blake won an

13:45

award on the stage last year as

13:47

well and just speaking of the stage

13:49

I went to see Lucy Prebbles The

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Effect so the writer of

13:54

I Hate Susie and she

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writes on Succession which will likely come up.

13:58

She had a play called The

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Effect with Taylor Russell and Papa Essay

14:03

Ado and it's the best

14:05

stage show I've ever seen. They've just announced

14:07

that they're going to be doing it in New York next

14:11

year, but it's astounding. And again, I think Lucy

14:14

Preble is one of these names that we're

14:16

going to be hearing more and more from. And I

14:19

completely agree. I think I hate Susie. Series

14:21

one and series two were massively overlooked.

14:24

Yeah. I agree. I

14:27

think Lucy Preble is going to be one of those names

14:29

where it's like just an instant watch if she's involved. Yeah.

14:31

Yeah. Well, I mean, again, as we've said, there's

14:34

going to be a lot of crossover. We've got

14:36

a lot on our list, but there's

14:39

one I want to go for just because if we

14:41

talked about overlooked and Top

14:43

Boy wrapped up in 2023

14:46

and I think it is

14:48

criminal that Kano has never

14:50

really been up for BAFTAs

14:53

and awards Jasmine

14:55

Jobson as well. I think those

14:57

two in particular, their performances in Top

15:00

Boy throughout season after

15:02

season are absolutely astounding. And

15:04

you don't want to jump

15:06

to the racism thing, but

15:09

I don't know why that show isn't getting, doesn't

15:11

get more attention and more praise because the

15:14

way it's directed is amazing. The writing

15:16

tends to be amazing and so much

15:18

of the acting is just absolutely astounding.

15:21

Yeah. You never hear it mentioned in

15:23

awards circles. No wonder if

15:25

it's because it is made for a younger

15:27

audience. Yeah. And maybe even if we're not

15:29

going to go on, on

15:31

the racism card, but it's certainly made for

15:34

a younger audience and maybe gets overlooked by

15:36

the type of people who are putting up

15:38

these awards things. And yeah, I think it's

15:40

absolutely phenomenal. He's such a brilliant actor. And

15:42

I, I wonder if, is there like a

15:44

snobbery around, I don't know, like you're talking

15:46

about the people that run award shows and

15:49

he is, to my

15:51

mind, if he first and foremost, a rapper

15:53

and does that hold him back maybe in

15:55

being acknowledged as being like a genuinely brilliant

15:57

actor. I find it fascinating. good.

16:00

He's so good in top way. I mean, I like

16:02

to see what's ahead for him because it said all

16:04

he was in for so long as top boy. Yeah.

16:06

I said he doesn't, you have rappers

16:09

who act and they play

16:12

against a really well, the nuances of

16:14

Sally's character and the journey he's gone

16:16

on throughout that series. That isn't just

16:19

a rapper active. That's just, yeah, he's

16:21

an amazing actor. And I think it's

16:24

really bad that I said he's never, I wonder if

16:26

it's because he's not, because he's not in that world.

16:28

He's not got someone who's putting him forward for stuff

16:30

and pushing his name out there and all that kind

16:32

of thing. Because the reality is

16:35

he's more in another world. But yeah, I

16:37

think it's mad how overlooked it is. Cause

16:39

I think it's a really good show. See, we

16:41

haven't really talked about it this year. Did

16:44

the moves to Netflix, do you think that

16:46

helped or hinted at all? Or it

16:48

certainly helped like nationwide

16:52

size kind of thing. Like it's so, it's

16:54

such a respected show. 90%

16:56

of the time you'll see American

16:59

rappers or singers or whatever else

17:01

doing British accents, they will

17:03

be referencing food and they will be repping

17:05

everything they've learned from top boy. So

17:08

yeah, I think it definitely spread

17:10

things out there, but yeah, it's an odd one. It's hard to

17:14

know why it gets overlooked. Cause it's so

17:16

British as well. It's like factors in particular,

17:18

it should be up for everything. Cause it's

17:20

so homegrown, internationally huge, but

17:23

yeah, not a peep. Completely agree. Let's

17:25

hope he gets acknowledged more for future

17:27

stuff. Yeah. As he is. Yeah.

17:29

Seriously talented. A lot of annoying, annoyingly talented really,

17:31

if we're going to be honest with that. That's

17:34

what we're, that's what we're not, we're, we're not

17:36

saying I had him on the podcast and afterwards

17:38

he was asking me like advice on how to,

17:41

to get acting gigs, to get stuff done. I'm

17:43

like, you're so much, you should be so much

17:45

further ahead than me. You've been doing this longer

17:47

and you're better to be blunt.

17:49

You're better than me. Like how are you asking me for

17:51

advice on, on getting things across the

17:54

line and all that. So yeah, insanely,

17:56

insanely talented. Joel, what

17:59

would you like to. to bring up next. What should

18:01

I bring up next? Should I do one of the

18:03

big ones? Should I take a bullet and do one

18:05

of the really big ones? Okay,

18:07

match of the day. No, let's

18:10

do, what should we do? Should we do the last of us? I mean,

18:12

joking aside, it was in 2023

18:16

that we had the match of the day

18:18

during the the the lineical walkout. Yes, we

18:20

did. And there was a match of the

18:22

day with no commentary. Yeah, we can genuinely

18:25

talk about match of the day in the

18:27

TV shows of the year. That was madness

18:29

to see people. Yeah. That's

18:31

absolutely. I love that. That

18:34

was so interesting. Yeah, the

18:36

walkout. Yeah, that was brilliant. I mean, I don't know.

18:38

Which one you going for? Let's do the last of

18:40

us. Yeah. Oh,

18:42

good, isn't it? Amazing. It almost feels like

18:45

damning it with faint praise a little bit

18:47

to say it's the best ever video game

18:49

adaptation, because I think it was so far

18:51

beyond that. And I think the audience was

18:53

so much more than an audience that were,

18:55

you know, familiar with it as a video game.

18:58

Yeah, brilliant. What I think

19:00

is a real testament to that show is it would

19:02

have been a phenomenal series with Pedro

19:04

Pascal and Bella Ramsey as

19:07

the series arc. But also within that

19:09

series, there is the episode with Nick

19:11

Offerman and Murray Bartlett, that is one

19:13

of the greatest episodes of TV ever,

19:15

which is the lowest rated episode on

19:17

IMDB because of homophobes. Because

19:20

it's public vote, it's the lowest rate on

19:22

rotten tomorrow and things like that on the

19:25

the actual critics vote. It's the highest. Yeah,

19:27

it's one of the highest

19:30

rated episodes of TV ever. But because

19:32

of idiots in America. Wow.

19:34

Yeah. But yeah, what an episode. That

19:37

episode is absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing. I

19:39

didn't. Yeah, completely unexpected. I played the

19:41

game and that's a kind

19:44

of a, they use quite a lot of

19:46

license as quite a departure from the way

19:48

it's told in the game, which was the

19:50

way to do it. A hundred percent. And

19:52

yeah, I just, I absolutely adored that episode.

19:54

It was completely devastating and completely amazing. And

19:56

like I say, just within this series, I

19:58

just completely complimented the. series but it

20:01

just stands alone as like its own little

20:03

story masterpiece. Yeah, but I think that's

20:06

what they really nailed was stepping away

20:08

from the game but at the same

20:10

time paying absolute respect to

20:12

the game. Like the buzz I got a few

20:14

times when they do something that was is playable

20:16

tactics if you know what I mean. Like in

20:18

the museum bit the first time they're in the

20:20

museum where they just kind of move and turn

20:22

around it's like yeah that's how you play that's

20:24

the tactics to win the game and you put

20:26

it in there there's so much in there. There's

20:28

even bits where they like move bookcases in the

20:30

way that you would move you have to move a

20:32

bookcase in that video game to get through a window

20:34

or something yeah yeah. There's so much respect paid to

20:37

it but then also knowing when

20:40

to go down this

20:42

road more explore more than

20:44

the game did and excitement

20:46

over series two because that's

20:48

that's I've added added Caitlyn

20:50

Devo who I think is one of the

20:53

best actors around at the moment. Yeah one

20:55

of my favorite podcast guests because it

20:58

gave me I think I think a message John

21:00

Arthur of a coordinate saying this

21:03

has got one of my favorite ever distraction

21:05

pieces moments because she's chatting away

21:07

and she's like and at that point we were

21:09

living in LA because my dad was the voice of

21:11

Barney and we we we'd move over here then she

21:13

talked for about four minutes and I actually just

21:15

nod and then say excuse me can we go back

21:18

to your dad with the voice of Barney please and

21:20

she's oh shit yeah so it's so normal to

21:22

her but to

21:25

get to rewind back to that was amazing

21:27

but yeah excited for all of

21:29

it right it's and what just what

21:31

I should just to please it yeah

21:33

the rareness so we've said

21:36

the best computer game adaptation

21:38

but just one of the best adaptations

21:41

when it comes to pleasing the

21:43

hardcore fans and not alienating the

21:45

completely new audience like that's so

21:48

rare in comic book stuff either yeah you

21:50

appeal to the masses and piss off all

21:52

the comic book fans or the

21:54

other way round I can't think of many

21:56

things that have have appealed to God is

21:58

the galaxy I guess

22:00

is the only thing that comes to mind as a it

22:03

really pleased the nerds and people had never heard

22:05

of it were happy. But yeah, what a show.

22:08

These two examples aren't from the video game, but I

22:10

know that it comes from the DNA from the video

22:13

and this incredible world building. And

22:15

I when I was thinking back on it, it's

22:17

the two prologues to the first two episodes. They're

22:20

not relevant to the show. Well they

22:22

are relevant to the show because as well,

22:24

but they're not relevant to those episodes at

22:26

all. But they're so brilliant and chilling. So

22:28

the first one is like a 1970s sort

22:31

of talk show and they just got there,

22:33

right? Yeah, John Hannah is sort of planting

22:35

the seeds. They're just discussing the idea of

22:37

like, oh, you know, how a virus

22:39

could sort of spread like fungus. And

22:42

it's done in a really chilling way. And the

22:44

second episode starts with a basically

22:46

an infected being discovered in Jakarta and

22:48

a professor and her reaction to that

22:50

infected being discovered is so chilling and

22:52

so brilliant. And it just drags you

22:54

straight into that universe at the beginning

22:57

of those two episodes. And it's such

22:59

clever storytelling. I think I think

23:01

it's also again, I've talked about this a lot

23:03

on the podcast in the past, but

23:05

I also think it's a really motivational

23:07

story for writers and stuff because the

23:10

creator of of this TV show, Craig

23:13

Mays in his last show was Chernobyl.

23:16

So you'd be like, yeah, makes sense.

23:19

Amazing. Prior to that, the

23:21

hangover two and three. And

23:24

it's just mind blowing. It shows that again,

23:26

that persistence and that being good at your

23:28

craft and finding your voice. It's

23:30

just, yeah, yeah. Cool. This

23:32

shit is so good. Yeah. And a little

23:34

podcast exclusive here, but a couple of days

23:37

ago, Craig Mays and

23:39

message me to say he just played

23:41

a Bella Ramsey by music and she's

23:43

loving it. So I was like, Bella

23:46

Ramsey is aware of who I am. I'll

23:48

take that. Oh, that's cool. Absolute madness.

23:51

John, what would you like to go

23:53

for next? Let's do another

23:55

one of the obvious ones. So succession

23:57

wrapped up in 2023. It's

24:00

one of those ones where the Emmy's happened at time

24:03

of recording relatively recently, I mean still relatively

24:05

recently at time of release.

24:08

And the succession is so good that

24:10

it sort of almost took the air out

24:13

of the room to the

24:15

point where there's almost like you felt like

24:17

there were some snubs just because, well obviously succession was

24:19

going to win everything. So

24:22

the performances, as has been through

24:24

the whole show, the performances are

24:27

absolutely incredible and much

24:29

like this episode three of The Last of Us, I

24:31

think it's episode four in this case of

24:33

the series of succession which is called Connor's Wedding.

24:37

Directed by former guest on

24:39

Destruction Pieces, Mark Mylod. And

24:42

it's so well directed.

24:44

I've heard interviews with him since

24:46

explaining how they did it and they

24:48

sort of did it like a play and it really feels

24:50

like that. There's so many sort of long takes and cameras

24:52

following people in and out of rooms. This

24:56

shows understandably will denote

24:59

a tragedy in a very obvious way. Oh,

25:01

you know, they build up

25:03

that tension intentionally, but this is much more

25:05

sort of human and realistic and it sort

25:07

of just happens and then it's chaos in

25:10

such a brilliant and beautiful way. And it's

25:12

such an amazing depiction of just sort of how

25:15

people react to this sort

25:17

of news and it might

25:20

not seem like normal. Some

25:22

people act really weirdly and some people act like exactly

25:24

how you'd expect them, but it's

25:27

just brilliant. And it's also really

25:29

funny and it's really, I think they wrapped it

25:31

up amazingly. It's

25:34

been, you know, for the last how many years it's

25:36

just been the sort of go-to

25:38

television that I'm so excited. Me

25:40

and Joel will message each other every week just

25:42

being like, have you seen it yet? It's that

25:44

sort of telly. It was so good that there

25:46

was a lot of, I read a few articles

25:48

in America that were worried

25:50

about HBO because in the

25:53

same month, Succession ended and Barry ended

25:55

and Barry's another show that didn't really

25:57

get that big over here, but it's

25:59

astounding. And they both absolutely

26:01

nailed the landing, which is so

26:04

rare. They both had final

26:06

seasons and final episodes that were just

26:08

perfect. And a lot of people were

26:10

kind of saying, what is HBO going

26:12

to do now? Like, what's

26:14

going to be like these have been long running series.

26:17

It's not like kind of just a mini

26:22

series or whatever else. And they were

26:24

both absolutely sound. How

26:26

confusing is it when a long

26:28

running series ends and everyone is kind

26:30

of happy about how it's so rare.

26:33

There's such an urge to hate on

26:35

how it ended because you've invested all

26:37

this time into it. And as

26:39

I said, I'm not going to bang on too

26:42

much about Barry, but both of those,

26:44

Barry and Succession were both ones that everyone

26:46

was like, yeah, yeah, that's fucking

26:48

great. Isn't it? They really got that

26:50

right. And I didn't

26:53

really know how Succession was going

26:55

to continue after. What's

26:57

the sort of the policy here with

26:59

spoilers? Because John was being very, very,

27:01

very tactful, beautifully tactful. I

27:03

mean, it's the biggest show of

27:06

recent years. I

27:09

mean, there's going to be a spoiler coming up, right, Joel?

27:14

Yeah, there's a spoiler coming up. I mean,

27:16

I'm pretty sure one of the newspapers in

27:18

the UK ran a front page of bitchery.

27:21

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know

27:23

how much of a spoiler we're breaking here. I

27:27

actually, after episode four, Connor's wedding when

27:29

he dies, it took me a

27:31

long time to finish the series. But I didn't

27:33

come back the next week and the week after

27:35

and the week after. And as John

27:37

is saying, we would message each other every week. John was actually, it

27:39

got to the point of nagging me, being like, why haven't you watched

27:41

the next episode? I can't. Yeah. I

27:45

found that episode, it was

27:47

so brilliant. I found it so

27:49

completely devastating and such an unbelievably

27:52

accurate depiction of sort of the

27:54

madness and the quiet and the

27:56

insanity around when you lose

27:59

someone, when you get that. When that phone call

28:01

happens and I just thought I honestly just saw,

28:03

I don't know how the series ends here. I

28:06

don't know how we pick it up in the next episode. And I

28:08

was, I was away from it for a little while because I thought

28:11

it was almost like the show had ended for

28:13

me then. I thought it was so perfect and

28:15

this like totemic character within the show had passed.

28:18

And then obviously you finished the series and

28:20

you realize that like, actually it's a brilliant

28:23

narrative device because we need all of the attention on

28:25

the kids. And the show is called Succession, right? And

28:27

we need to resolve. Well,

28:30

yeah, reach some sort of conclusion

28:32

with the Succession plan and it

28:34

plays perfectly. But yeah, I found

28:36

that episode might be that

28:38

single episode might be like the most affecting telly that

28:41

I've ever watched, I think. Yeah. As

28:43

someone who writes scripts and

28:45

have scripts in development at the moment,

28:47

it made me embarrassed as a writer

28:49

because as you say, him dying when

28:51

he died makes so much sense. But

28:53

I didn't see it. Everyone just assumed that's

28:56

how the show ends. Exactly. The

28:58

show ends and then him dying midway through

29:00

the last season was like, as

29:02

soon as it happened, it's like, well, obviously, it was

29:05

such a shock. It's like, that's why they're

29:07

such fucking good writers. It is the right

29:09

thing and it's obvious. It

29:11

just feels like one of those, it's those shows where

29:13

like everyone is firing on all

29:16

cylinders at all times, like the direction,

29:18

the script writing every single member of

29:20

cast, even the sort of the day

29:22

players, everyone is just giving career, best

29:24

performances. And Nicholas Britell on the

29:26

soundtrack as well. I just think everyone is,

29:28

it's one of those shows where just everyone

29:30

is playing together and just at the top

29:32

of their game. Yeah, I completely agree. Well,

29:34

I'm going to throw one in and I'm

29:36

going to keep with HBO. And

29:39

this is one I'm recommending specifically

29:41

to Joel because you're

29:44

about to get on a plane. And the only reason

29:46

I know about this is my brother had a

29:49

flight to and from Malaysia

29:52

and on the way out there, there weren't any any

29:54

films he fancied. And, you know, they'll often have a

29:57

few episodes of a series, particularly with you and stuff.

30:00

And they had a documentary series called 100 Foot Wave. And

30:03

I never heard of it. He raved about it. I

30:05

still didn't get around to watching it for ages because

30:07

it's about big wave surfing. And I was like, that

30:09

doesn't really interest me. He finally got

30:11

us watching it. Me and my brother go

30:14

around my dad's every Thursday night and watch

30:16

the TV and cook some food. So

30:18

we like a series of me. When my brother was

30:20

away, it was Ted Lasso. Me and my dad got through Ted

30:23

Lasso. But it became 100 foot

30:25

wave and it became the hardest thing in the world

30:28

to hold off until Thursday to watch. We

30:30

ended up doing two episodes each week. It's

30:33

about big wave surfing and a guy

30:35

called Garrett who basically

30:37

invented it. And it's mad because

30:39

this documentary series, it's, I

30:42

don't know if it's ever happened, but this documentary

30:44

series was started following

30:47

Garrett and the sport basically at the invention

30:49

of the sport. Oh wow. Big

30:52

wave surfing is where you tow out on

30:54

a jet ski instead of just paddle out and

30:56

you go out to where the really big waves

30:58

are and the jet ski, you're being pulled along.

31:01

It will drop you on a wave. You let

31:03

go and the jet ski goes off and you

31:05

ride these big waves. And it's

31:07

astounding because I mean,

31:09

the characters just all happen to be just

31:12

absolutely amazing and the most watchable people in

31:14

the world. But

31:16

you're also watching a sport

31:18

evolve and technology evolve. So

31:22

it starts off with obviously cameras on the shore all

31:25

the time and zoomed in as much as they can

31:27

and getting these shots. And then

31:29

at some point along the way, drone cameras

31:31

start to appear and you're getting these and

31:34

GoPros and all sorts of other stuff. So

31:36

you get to watch this sport evolve with

31:40

these particular characters. And

31:42

there's this one lad called Cottie who's

31:44

a plumber from Bath. I think

31:46

he's from Bath or Bristol. And he

31:48

went over, because it's all based around this

31:51

place in Portugal that someone who'd lived there

31:53

their whole life just took

31:56

a picture of this particular shore and

31:58

sent it to this guy Garrett. said,

32:00

I think we might have the biggest

32:02

waves, but it's not a surfing area.

32:04

It's not a surfing beach. By the

32:06

end of the first series, it's one

32:08

of the most traveled to surfing beaches

32:10

in the world. Like people come over for

32:13

all these competitions, people come to watch. And

32:16

then yeah, in series two, it kind of

32:18

grows and grows and grows. So

32:20

you're kind of in a way

32:22

you're watching the evolution of a sport in

32:24

another way, you're watching like

32:27

surely one of the most powerful photos taken in

32:29

recent times. Because this guy just took a photo

32:31

and sent it to this one guy and it

32:34

changed the economy of a whole area. Because it's

32:36

now, as I said, they

32:38

have these huge events on it's this big,

32:40

big location now it's called Nazare in Portugal.

32:43

And yeah, it's just absolutely astounding.

32:45

The visuals are amazing because you're

32:48

watching man play with nature.

32:50

I was going to say battle nature, but

32:52

it's playing with nature. It's just being a

32:54

silly goose on something that could kill you

32:57

with great ease. But you're also

32:59

getting all these characters and yeah, everything else.

33:01

So yeah, I can't I can't recommend 100

33:04

foot wave enough in series two without this

33:06

year. And series three is on its way.

33:08

I was definitely definitely watched that. I think

33:10

those the kind of the beauty about documentaries

33:13

around extreme sports is that I think quite often you

33:15

have to be a certain type of character to engage

33:20

like to take to participate in extreme sports,

33:22

right? And that lends itself so beautifully to

33:24

documentaries. You do have this incredible cast all

33:26

the time. You know, if you think about

33:28

the just the people that are in free

33:30

solo and there's that amazing scabled documentaries, all

33:32

this mayhem, I think it's called. Yeah, really

33:35

fantastic. You just always following really interesting characters

33:37

because they are doing things that are I

33:40

guess outside the norm or, you know, interesting

33:42

or I haven't actually watched yet, but I

33:44

keep getting recommended deepest breath on Netflix as

33:46

well, which is about the free diving. Yeah,

33:49

yeah. The kind of the beautiful thing here

33:51

with these characters, though, is something I've not

33:53

really seen in any sports before is it

33:55

really feels like they're not like they all

33:58

love each other and then competitive. like

34:00

that. Because obviously when a big wave

34:02

comes, if you're a team, one of

34:04

you's driving and one of you gets to get

34:07

the wave. So even there, you'd think there'd be a

34:09

bit of jealousy kind of if this

34:11

person breaks the world record for the wave and

34:14

you're like, I was out that day as well.

34:17

If I'd been on the other end, I could

34:19

have got that way. But there's none of that.

34:21

And then even between the different teams, there's people

34:23

who are all there on the same day and

34:25

one person breaks the world record. And they're basically

34:27

obviously all aiming to get the hundred foot wave

34:29

because no one's ever ridden a, or there's no

34:32

recorded riding a hundred foot wave. But yeah, everyone

34:34

in it is like, you should have seen what

34:36

Justine did that day. It was absolutely amazing.

34:38

It's like, man, there's no, there's no jealousies.

34:40

Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. But yeah, Joel,

34:42

what would you like to throw forward? What

34:46

would I like to throw forward? I

34:48

let's go for silo, which was on

34:50

Apple TV. I think it was pretty

34:52

overlooked. It's like a massive

34:55

budget sci-fi show on

34:57

Apple. And it's about Rebecca Ferguson's

34:59

character who is, she works in

35:01

the police force of a

35:04

giant silo. There's just a giant underground

35:06

silo that exists. She's an

35:08

engineer initially. She's an engineer. She gets promoted

35:12

into the police force. And there

35:14

is this giant underground silo. Nobody's

35:16

left the silo for generations and

35:18

generations. And they're all told that

35:21

outside the earth has been, you're not

35:23

really sure, but it's unlivable

35:25

conditions. There's been some sort of apocalyptic event.

35:27

And so you're being kept safe in this

35:29

silo. And there is like, so she's an

35:31

engineer. So she's worked, there's a hierarchy throughout

35:34

the silo. So as you'd expect,

35:36

the people at the top of society live towards

35:38

the top of the silo. And as you get

35:40

down to the bottom, your engineers, the kind of

35:42

those like a working is like a class system

35:44

stratified system throughout the silo. I loved

35:46

it. I thought it was really excellent. The

35:48

cast is great. I'm only really saying it here so

35:50

that more people watch it. So that more of it

35:52

keeps getting made. And it looks amazing

35:54

as well. It looks like it was a proper

35:56

world. Yeah. Yeah. Common's

36:00

amazing in it. Love Common

36:02

in there. It's like the secret police enforcer.

36:04

He's so good and ended

36:06

on a brilliant sort of end of season

36:08

one cliffhanger, but will be absolutely, I'm not

36:11

actually sure if season two is confirmed,

36:13

I think it might be, but it feels like

36:15

it would be one of those that

36:17

would go down in the ages of like canceled show

36:19

series one ending kind of situations,

36:21

you know? But yeah, I really love

36:23

it. I don't know how much more there is to

36:26

say about it really, but it has almost like a

36:28

cyber, steampunk, cyberpunk, kind of feel to the design of

36:30

the silo. Yeah, just really good.

36:33

Sci-fi show. I love those concepts that again,

36:35

it's what I thought was amazing about Snowpiercer

36:38

is the simplicity of society.

36:41

Here's society in one shrunk down thing and

36:43

what I liked about silo and I've not

36:46

finished it. I stopped and forgot about it.

36:48

So it's a weird one. I'm kind of

36:50

halfway through. I got previews of it because

36:53

Rebecca was going to be coming on the

36:55

podcast and then that didn't happen. As

36:58

these things happen sometimes, you get distracted by me and

37:00

other shows. I never came back to, I

37:02

need to come back to, but what I like about it

37:05

is it's years on. So it's not this pristine, Yeah,

37:07

yeah, yeah. essentially what

37:10

is their world is starting to break down, is

37:12

starting to rust and you have to decide is,

37:15

do we stay trying to live in

37:17

here? Do we explore outside and yeah.

37:19

And there's this one sort of viewing

37:21

platform to the outside world. Yeah. And

37:24

the whole arc of the series is you

37:26

trying to figure out if that's legit. Yeah.

37:29

If that window looks out on an apocalyptic world or

37:31

if it looks, or if it's because

37:33

early on, they set the premise that if you

37:36

want to, like you can choose

37:38

to leave. Yeah. If

37:40

you break the rules, like you break the rules, you get exiled. And

37:43

then they tend to go out there and die horrible

37:45

deaths. But it's this mystery of, yeah, what's happening.

37:47

I need to continue that. That was a good

37:49

shift. Yeah, yeah, you should. Yeah, yeah. Love

37:52

silo. And it's based on a series of books.

37:54

So the cliffhanger is not going to be like

37:56

sort of unsatisfyingly sort of solved it. They

37:59

know where they're going with it. There'll be loads more to

38:01

come, hopefully. Jon, what would you like

38:03

to bring up next? So towards the

38:05

end of the year, this brought me the

38:07

most joy. I'm not sure if it's technically,

38:09

if it's sort of the most acclaimed thing,

38:11

but Scott Pilgrim takes off

38:14

on Netflix, which was the animated

38:16

series that is sort of, it's

38:19

in an anime style, it's based

38:21

on Scott Pilgrim, but

38:23

it's also not. It's

38:25

got the entire cast, every single person who

38:27

was in the Scott Pilgrim film directed

38:29

by Edgar Wright reprises their

38:31

character role. But by

38:33

the end of the first episode,

38:36

it's clear that it's very different

38:38

from the film. So it's not

38:40

like a sequel, it's

38:42

not like a prequel. It is a different thing

38:44

with the same cast. So you could

38:46

watch it without having seen the film. But if

38:48

you've seen the film, it sort of adds something

38:50

to it. It's really funny. It's

38:53

really inventive. I was just really surprised by

38:55

it. I think there's

38:57

even though God knows how old Scott Pilgrim

38:59

actually is, I felt

39:01

quite a weird sense of nostalgia watching

39:04

it sort of revisiting, however, 10 years ago

39:06

now, whenever that

39:08

film would have come out. Yeah, it's brilliant. I've not

39:10

watched it and I don't know why, because I love

39:12

Scott Pilgrim. I mean, exactly the same boat. I remember

39:14

it coming out and thinking I definitely need to watch

39:17

that. I love Scott Pilgrim, but they've got the cast

39:19

together. It sounds amazing. I mean, that is now number

39:21

one on my after 100 foot wave. Yeah.

39:24

Number one on my show. So it's

39:27

one of those. I see lots of

39:29

sort of behind the scenes stuff and I hear in

39:31

interviews with the cast that the Scott

39:33

Pilgrim guys just really, everyone in that cast

39:35

really got on. It felt like college for

39:37

them all. And you see interviews with Chris

39:39

Evans where he'd be jealous anytime he sort

39:41

of heard that other people are on set

39:43

doing scenes and he wasn't there because he

39:45

just sort of missed them all. And they

39:47

apparently famously have an email thread which shows

39:49

how long ago this was filmed, but they

39:52

still got an email thread that they regularly

39:55

will email each other on all of the cast of this,

39:58

the film. Yeah. It's

40:00

just a great recommendation. And

40:03

is it like a one and done series or?

40:05

Yeah, it definitely doesn't end on a cliffhanger or

40:07

anything like that. Because they're from a series of

40:09

comic books as well, aren't they? So there's probably

40:12

the material there if they chose

40:14

to. What's interesting is

40:17

that it's this weird thing

40:19

where there's three different Scott pilgrims. There's

40:21

the comics, there's the film, and there's

40:23

now this TV show, which are all

40:25

the same thing, but also simultaneously,

40:28

like incredibly independent of one another,

40:30

and that's sort of unique

40:32

in media as far as I can

40:35

sort of think where something is like that, where

40:37

it is the same creative

40:39

people in the case of the

40:41

film and the TV show, the same cast, but it's

40:43

not the same thing, which I

40:45

think is really interesting. I love it. I need

40:47

to get it watched. I've got two

40:50

anime shows I want to recommend, so I

40:52

may as well put them together, right, as

40:54

we're in a little animated section.

40:57

But one of them, the

40:59

first one is on Netflix and it's a

41:01

show called Vinland Saga, which again, seems to

41:03

have been overlooked a lot. It's won loads

41:06

of awards in Japan and

41:09

it's a Viking anime show and

41:11

it's just absolutely astounding. It's

41:14

all based on a lot of true history

41:16

of when the Vikings came to the UK.

41:19

But series two, I watched

41:21

both series this year, but series two came out this

41:23

year and it absolutely astounded

41:26

me because it did something I've

41:28

never seen a TV show do

41:30

or want to do. So the

41:32

first season is Vikings invading England,

41:34

essentially. And it's got all

41:36

these amazing characters, all

41:38

these amazing fight sequences, these

41:41

really unique, different Vikings warriors,

41:43

these amazing scenes, these amazing character

41:46

arcs of early on, there's

41:48

a young kid whose dad gets killed and

41:50

it's basically, it's following his story is,

41:52

is the full first series. And you

41:55

go through years and years of him

41:57

having revenge in his

41:59

mind. But yeah. It's all about

42:02

war and pillaging and conquering and

42:04

series 2 is Essentially

42:07

about PTSD from war

42:09

and pillaging and foraging

42:12

PTSD and farming essentially the bulk of

42:14

series 2 obviously things pick up at

42:16

points, but yeah the bulk of series

42:18

2 is one

42:21

of the characters having to deal with the fact

42:23

that he spent so much of his life in

42:25

a war zone and having to

42:28

deal with trying to farm in the

42:30

medieval times and how hard it

42:32

is to Prepare land

42:35

to strip land to clear land and then to

42:37

yeah seasons and all these other things and it

42:39

blew my mind I'd heard that series 2 was

42:41

very different and it's the reason I didn't watch

42:43

it for a long time because I thought no

42:45

I love series 1 I don't want it to

42:47

be different but no one had said how it

42:49

was different and again, you still get a lot

42:51

of good characters in there and Violence

42:54

appears but just as a choice it blew

42:56

my mind that you'd have this show that

42:59

was a huge hit Because

43:01

it's an action show and the next series

43:03

would be you know the action that

43:05

has consequences It has a face and

43:07

yeah blew my mind and it's on

43:09

Netflix It's a big big

43:12

weapon easy to be put off because I

43:14

think it's 22 episodes each series, but they're

43:16

20 minute episodes So

43:19

again, it is actually a shorter series

43:21

if you're looking at hour-long kind of things and

43:23

the other one I want to mention is hard

43:26

to find in the UK and

43:28

it's a show called Scavengers rain

43:30

and it was on HBO Max

43:33

in America and It's

43:36

another one. I've never seen anything Like

43:39

it. It's about a spaceship

43:41

basically Crashes on an

43:43

alien planet, but just the

43:45

way they approach alien life forms

43:47

alien organisms I've never seen

43:49

anything like it. I think when

43:52

alien happened that was how we

43:54

informed Most future

43:56

TV and film on what aliens are

43:59

Whereas this was really goes off how

44:02

flowers work, how nature works and

44:04

then making these small tweaks and

44:06

changes. So there's so

44:08

much in it that just for

44:11

the biology that they come up

44:13

with, it's so amazingly watchable. But

44:15

you do have questions

44:17

of the validity of

44:19

AI and robots, survivors.

44:22

What is warranted to do

44:25

to survive? What the priority should be

44:27

in surviving on an alien planet?

44:30

Because a load of these survivors have landed on

44:32

different parts of the planet

44:34

kind of thing. And they're trying to scavenge

44:38

and get back. But

44:40

honestly, it's astounding. It's one that,

44:42

as we were saying, I think,

44:46

I mean, spoiler for the listener,

44:48

we've essentially recorded three podcasts this evening. And I

44:50

think it was a conversation that me and Joel

44:52

had before John arrived for

44:54

the first podcast. But it's one of those

44:57

things that seem to be huge in America

44:59

and gets so much praise

45:01

and love, yet hasn't found a

45:03

platform over here yet at all. Even though

45:05

loads of HBO stuff comes on Sky Atlantic

45:07

or now TV or whatever else. So I

45:10

really hope it comes over and I really

45:12

hope to get more of it because it

45:14

was, yeah, just truly my

45:16

boggling. Everyone that I've recommended to who's

45:18

got around to watching it has not known what

45:20

to say afterwards, because it's not like anything. I've

45:23

never seen a representation of alien life in

45:25

this way. So one of the reviews, I

45:28

think it was in The Guardian, said

45:30

it was like David Attenborough has

45:32

made sci-fi anime. And

45:35

it's like you're watching one of

45:38

his Earth films, but it happens to

45:40

be an alien planet. It's mad. Well,

45:43

I think we and I'm sure

45:45

that there are loads of anime fans and stuff

45:47

who will be like, you know, welcome to the

45:49

club. You're like 20 years late or whatever. But

45:52

it does feel like we are a really good

45:54

point in animation where big companies

45:56

are investing in sort of animated

45:58

stuff for us. adults. So you've got

46:01

like the ones we just described Netflix has also

46:03

got blue eye samurai that's rave

46:05

reviews and Amazon with

46:07

invincible was is on my longest. I

46:09

think invincible is brilliant. And yeah, it

46:11

seems like a good time. And the

46:13

cast it's attracting like the voice

46:16

card, the US voice cast of the

46:18

boy and the Heron where it's like

46:21

Florence Pugh, Christian Bao, Willem Dafoe,

46:23

all these amazing people in this

46:27

show scavengers reign has got a wouldn't

46:29

me a Masaku who I think

46:32

is really great within Loki really

46:34

good in in Loki as

46:36

one of the time kind of

46:39

wardens as such. Yeah, it's

46:41

cool that they're getting a

46:43

see a scavengers rain is an American

46:45

of production. So the original voice cast

46:47

is Americans are similar to the blue

46:49

eyed samurai where it's an

46:51

anime style, but it's an American production with

46:54

Yeah, great voice acting in that. So yeah,

46:56

good stuff, man. Nice. I would do a

46:58

quick while we're in anime alley. Yeah,

47:00

I would do a very quick shout out for

47:02

an animated series that I haven't finished yet. But

47:04

I'm really, really enjoying. And it's filling

47:07

sort of the Bojack Horseman void as a show on

47:10

Netflix called Carol and the End of the World. The

47:13

concept is there is a giant

47:15

thing in space heading for planet Earth, and it's going

47:17

to wipe out planet Earth and we're all going to

47:20

cease to exist. But it's taking a

47:22

very long time it's going to be it's going

47:24

to be here in like 18 months, two years.

47:26

And so people on Earth have embraced quite you

47:28

know, hedonism and they are

47:31

seeking their passions in life and fulfilling

47:33

desires and dreams and things that always

47:35

wanted to and it's about this woman

47:37

Carol, who is just completely stuck

47:39

with this like sense of on we and

47:41

a feeling that she doesn't really want to

47:43

do any of these things like she's like

47:46

her parents have got into just like being

47:48

nature like that naked all the time her

47:50

parents are constantly naked, her sisters off like

47:52

paragliding and learning a language and all over

47:54

the world and she's stuck like I think

47:57

stuck without any sense of routine or any

47:59

semblance of what to do, just

48:01

completely paralyzed by the idea that you can do

48:03

anything, right? It's that paralysis of choice. And

48:06

one day she sees

48:08

a woman in like office attire, just in

48:10

like a business suit, and she follows her

48:12

and this woman goes to this abandoned

48:15

building, gets in a lift

48:17

and then emerges at an office. And there's

48:19

essentially like a hundred, 200 people almost cosplaying

48:21

the existence of an accountancy

48:23

firm, and she goes in and she joins

48:26

and starts working at this maybe

48:28

non-existent business that you can't really work

48:30

out what's going on there. It's

48:32

such a brilliant idea. And it's such a, it's

48:35

so true. Like if you had all sense of

48:37

routine removed from you, how would you know how

48:39

to spend your time? And it has that, it

48:42

has that kind of that Bojax, what am

48:44

I doing? Existential kind of filter. I'm

48:46

really enjoying it. So that would be a

48:48

recommendation from me. Yeah. What

48:51

a great time spent in anime Yali. I

48:53

had a good time. What a lovely time. Joel,

48:56

do you want to throw another one in? I

48:58

guess we've probably got one more each of we

49:00

as time is going on. One more, two more.

49:02

Okay. One more. Yeah. I can, if it's one

49:04

more, I will probably go with Dave series three

49:07

came out in 2023. It

49:09

is the show about the rapper, Lil Dick.

49:12

He's trials and tribulations as he tries to

49:14

become a successful rapper. And it

49:16

is absolutely brilliant. The level of cameos that

49:18

he's reached in. Yeah. It's got ridiculous. Right.

49:20

I've not watched it. I watched the first

49:23

series and loved it. And for some reason

49:25

haven't continued, but yeah, loads of people have

49:27

been right. It's phenomenal. I think it's FX

49:29

is most successful ever show, most watched ever

49:31

show series three. He is now

49:34

famous. And it means that he, there are

49:36

episodes where he goes to the

49:38

Met Gala and they, they

49:40

have managed to recreate the feeling of being

49:43

at the Met Gala and the, and the

49:45

people that would be there. The final

49:47

episode is essentially a

49:50

hostage film where him and Brad

49:52

Pitt are taken hostage in his house for

49:54

an hour and 15 minutes is absolutely remarkable.

49:56

And my favorite episodes are probably there's one

49:58

where he's making a music. video about him

50:01

himself and it's like

50:03

three or four generations of his life. So younger versions

50:05

of him and he's filming a music video about them.

50:07

And there's another one where they're on tour and they get

50:09

stuck in this house in the middle of nowhere and there's

50:11

a tornado and they're stuck with a very, very conservative

50:14

Christian family. And it's all the going trappings

50:16

of like, you know, as a rap tour

50:18

bus with it's on tarrage and they're all

50:20

stuck in this house. I think it's so

50:22

brilliant. I think they do really ambitious things

50:24

with each episode. I absolutely love

50:26

it. I think he's just an unbelievable performer.

50:28

This is the first writing and acting he's done

50:31

for TV. He's so excellent.

50:33

I love it. I love it. I think it's such a great

50:35

show. I need to get on this. That

50:37

and reservation dogs are too that I've

50:39

watched one series on, thought they were

50:41

amazing, stopped watching despite the fact everyone

50:43

says it gets better and better. Every

50:45

series is absolutely astounding. I'm like, oh,

50:47

I haven't gone back to it for

50:49

some unknown reason. So yeah, Dave would

50:51

be my other pick. I love it.

50:53

Such a brilliant show. Have you watched

50:55

it, Jon? I know I like Pip.

50:57

I've started it, but I haven't continued.

51:00

It's on iPlayer right in the UK. Weirdly.

51:02

I mean, I don't know if you want

51:04

to get into the weeds of where to

51:06

watch Dave. It was on iPlayer, but now

51:08

let's talk distribution. It

51:12

was on iPlayer for series one. And now

51:14

I think it's all on Disney. I think

51:16

maybe did Disney buy Hulu? I don't know.

51:18

But I think Hulu stuff's on Disney now,

51:20

maybe. What's that series like? There's

51:23

a series on Netflix that my mum

51:25

had a nightmare with because it was

51:27

a show that was canceled in America

51:29

and Netflix saved it,

51:31

but Netflix over here only have it

51:33

from where they've saved it. So

51:36

series one to four. What's it called? It's

51:38

like it's a plane crash. Is

51:40

it some, yeah, I'm sure it's something about

51:42

a plane crash or the listeners

51:45

will be screaming. Yeah, they will. Yeah. Sorry,

51:48

listener. But yeah, it was bizarre that my mum

51:50

was like, give this a look. And then she

51:52

was like, hang on. I can't. Yeah. I can't

51:54

keep watching it. So to go

51:57

back and forth, I'm going to. jumping

52:00

and throwing honorable mention here because it's got

52:02

a similar situation. One

52:04

of my shows of the year also had

52:07

arguably the worst name in

52:09

recent TV history. So one of my favorite

52:11

shows of all time is Justified. Timothy

52:14

Ola is fantastic. That was another one

52:16

that years on, it finished about 10

52:18

years ago and they've just decided, I

52:20

was thinking of it when John was

52:23

saying about Scott Pilgrim, years

52:25

later they've gone, let's get everyone

52:27

back together and do another series.

52:29

But instead of calling it Justified

52:31

Series 8 or whatever it is, they

52:34

called it Justified City

52:36

Primeval. No

52:39

reason whatsoever. It's awful. So

52:43

me and my brother were big Justified

52:45

fans. So we were really skeptical, but

52:47

then we watched it and it was

52:49

amazing. All the characters just felt so

52:51

good. The new characters fitted perfectly. It's

52:54

one of them because it was

52:56

on coming on to Disney, Disney also

52:58

bought the entire back catalog of it.

53:01

So it's one of them. It's a tough recommendation.

53:03

It's really good. There's nine series

53:05

to get through. It's

53:08

a long one to catch up on, but

53:10

it was really good and really fun, but

53:12

still Justified City Primeval.

53:16

It sounds like a knockoff PlayStation

53:18

1 game. Yeah, it really does.

53:20

It really does. But John, it's

53:22

your turn next. I've stolen a

53:24

spot. One that

53:26

surprised me because it was brilliant

53:28

and I was slightly apprehensive was,

53:31

on last year's one of these, we talked about

53:33

The Boys Series 2 or 3, whatever

53:36

it was. This year, Gen

53:38

V came out. I'm

53:40

so glad. I haven't got this on my list and so

53:43

should be. It was absolutely brilliant.

53:45

It was the extending

53:48

of a universe in which the original

53:50

premise is taking the mic out of

53:52

comic books, Made me

53:54

anxious because I thought, well, there's a lack of

53:56

self-awareness to expand the universe in a show that

53:58

is taking the mic out. Oh comics expand

54:00

the universe you know but I thought they

54:03

did apps a brilliantly Eric T who saw

54:05

the show runners advice the shows did have

54:07

an amazing job at it Seals This is

54:09

completely like his own thing by the end

54:11

of the first episode you're in love all

54:13

the characters he eats you're you're you're on

54:15

board but civil set but at the same

54:18

time it's so with in that universe by

54:20

in really fun and so as not necessarily

54:22

and intrusive ways like characters will come in

54:24

or to see them on the tally or

54:26

live in italics that established little statues of

54:28

characters from the boys. And and

54:31

I I just augusta instance is some

54:33

so well and it's may be very

54:35

exciting series of the boys and they

54:37

are. They've announced the boys Mexico's when

54:39

I believe so my have bring a

54:41

month. I completely agree. I tuned into

54:44

because I've heard The Clooney Hi present

54:46

but as the boys and a one

54:48

off or suffer we must be rubbish

54:50

or what's the first episode was on?

54:52

This is absolutely astounded. Like the superpowers

54:54

that they come up, waves are ridiculous,

54:57

and the problems that I bring psychologically

54:59

and just socially. And everything is amazing

55:01

is so essentially it's the boys, but

55:03

at a college? Yes it's the team

55:05

version of the boys. This is is

55:08

in the boys universe, but the roller.

55:10

At. College and yet completely agree.

55:13

Absolutely fantastic show and he got

55:15

met really hard. For that

55:17

lie leads into the next series of the boys

55:19

really well. and then yet again it's if he

55:22

keeps his game going back in full for thing

55:24

with got Hannibal, a bit of World building. Don't

55:26

know if we'll have this between series of the

55:28

boys Best that's great idler. I don't know. I

55:31

don't want to sell commit to saying is the

55:33

best one ever but I probably in the top

55:35

three puppet massacres have ever seen on talent. Oh

55:38

man, a hell of a

55:40

profit of massacre. Yeah.

55:42

Great sorrow. Don't know why isn't money? Even though

55:45

this list has no of a former function or

55:47

Mri any on there because I want on the

55:49

rest. Of I made

55:51

this this anymore. But no, that's that should

55:53

be omits Will. i want to kind

55:55

of ram ram things up then and again

55:57

do is a me with not made since

56:01

are you guys traitors fans? Because at

56:03

the moment where we are now traitors

56:05

is blowing up. But just after we

56:07

recorded last year traitors came out beginning

56:09

of 2023. Are you traitors? I'm

56:12

not going to be the fans in general about to be

56:14

the 2000th person to tell me

56:17

to watch the traces. I know it's really

56:19

fucking good. It's really fucking good. Just

56:22

as reality. It's got that vibe of those

56:25

early seasons, a big gravel when you're like,

56:27

this is good TV, but it's also genuinely

56:29

a good social life. Social experiment. It's not

56:32

just exploitative. It's like, this is really interesting.

56:34

But yeah, that was one of those, like,

56:36

how can we not talk about that when

56:38

that's all anyone seems to be talking about

56:41

at the moment. But I

56:43

want to talk about the cooking dramas. So

56:46

Boiling Point and the Bear, because I

56:48

think both of them absolutely astounded the

56:50

bear. I loved series one. We talked

56:52

about it on the last, last

56:55

time we did this, I believe, I think

56:57

series two knocked it out the

56:59

park. I didn't know if it could, but I

57:02

think arguably better than the first series, every cameo

57:04

or every new character that

57:06

pops in is amazing. Yeah. Have either

57:08

of you watched it or both of

57:10

you watched it? I've watched the second

57:12

series. It's one of those ones where, because

57:15

the first series, I don't think there's anyone of, I

57:17

was going to say anyone of note, that's incredibly mean.

57:20

It was star making turns. They weren't famous

57:22

yet. Jeremy was big and shameless in America,

57:24

but we didn't really get that over here

57:26

because we had our own shameless. And yeah.

57:29

And so when you sort of see that it's got

57:32

like Will Poulter and Olivia Colman and stuff in the

57:34

second series, I was worried, oh, that

57:36

these people are going to stick out like sore

57:38

thumbs in this, this show with these, like, this

57:40

bunch of characters that you sort of grown to

57:42

love, but they're all brilliant. It's all so well

57:44

done. And so the first series

57:47

is much more sort of traditionally linear

57:49

in its, in its storytelling. This one,

57:51

they Give some real sort of

57:53

diversion. So You've got entire episodes based on what

57:55

I would say is like a side character in

57:57

the, in the main show where he goes. The

58:00

to Amsterdam to learn to pay for

58:02

posts as I was. Incredible episode and

58:04

people talk about the sort of the

58:07

Thanksgiving flashback episode which is a Christmas

58:09

of He's Christmas Anxiety by nothing I

58:11

Say Thanksgiving Iraq. Which. Is amazing

58:13

but I really love Amsterdam episode as

58:15

well. Yeah and he as he gets

58:17

his it's one of those shows where

58:19

you just is. It's one show right

58:21

to read Runner is it's all from

58:23

one perspective and the like. The confidence

58:25

that they have seen this shows is

58:28

so clear and say well made and

58:30

that was the third one Yeah that

58:32

last of us episode ever was are

58:34

this is gonna be the best episodes

58:36

of T V V and then you

58:38

icon is why didn't I was like

58:40

nope this is defensive side it's a

58:42

very. And then you add the thanksgiving

58:44

or know this is going up with the

58:46

why. he right to have so many things

58:48

that he bought. This is arguably the best

58:51

of the year us as fucking great as

58:53

it does he do a review. What's the

58:55

Body Point series. Of must and

58:57

I saw to that I may experience

59:00

is innocent Sprayed goods are really

59:02

enjoyed that straight off the bat

59:04

by did they lose the one

59:06

show seeing them a film without

59:08

known for. And yardstick older

59:10

characters. The white shark is similar

59:12

in completely different set of Back

59:14

in the is got that tension

59:16

Beta: completely different why? Yeah.

59:19

A Thing is is worth a watch

59:21

and again it's quite a snuff. On

59:23

this quite short series is nothing is

59:25

only four or five episodes. Again really

59:27

good stuff. When did cooking become such

59:30

a hotspot for job or India and

59:32

say they met this this the cost

59:34

in boiling point. it's just absolutely stacked

59:36

hims yeah you know if it's for

59:38

it's one of those shows again why

59:40

you just someone is no on the

59:42

screen.that much is of giving insists an

59:45

incredible performances is really? I don't know

59:47

that as part of the invites. On

59:49

the stress of boiling point so Mr One type

59:51

makes it so very sly the would it all

59:53

my source sales of documentary esque in the find

59:56

that is someone said but but partly that is

59:58

just as a performances from the. And the actors

1:00:00

are just so real. And I think there's

1:00:02

some stars coming out of it. Azuka Hoyle,

1:00:04

who's also in Big Boys, which I

1:00:07

think Big Boys I talked about last

1:00:09

year, but the new series only

1:00:11

came out this in 2024. She's

1:00:14

gonna be an absolute superstar. I think Sean

1:00:17

Fagan, I think it is, who's in

1:00:20

the kitchen is amazing. Steven Ogg in

1:00:22

the kitchen is amazing. Vannette, obviously Steven

1:00:24

Graham and Hannah Graham. Hannah

1:00:28

Graham's, Steven's wife, has

1:00:31

one of the most amazing episodes.

1:00:34

She's got one of those episodes that you're like, this

1:00:37

is her moment kind of thing. And it's just, yeah,

1:00:39

it's beautiful to see. And yeah, I

1:00:41

just think it's such a great ensemble

1:00:44

that you're gonna get so many people

1:00:46

coming out of that, that have big

1:00:48

old careers. And that's always a thing.

1:00:50

Yeah, when you watch it, if you like look at the

1:00:53

cast in five years time, you're like, bloody hell. How

1:00:55

were they all together in that? Yeah, it's

1:00:57

gonna be the band of brothers. And

1:01:00

then in 10 years, we'll get

1:01:02

them back for an anime series.

1:01:04

Yeah, so spoiling point. Well,

1:01:06

I guess we should wrap things up there.

1:01:08

Unless there's any particular honorable mentions you

1:01:12

wanna just throw in, we don't have to go into great

1:01:14

detail on. A couple of really quick

1:01:16

ones maybe. It's mad that it's a testament to

1:01:18

how good Telly's been in 2023, that there was

1:01:20

a, I thought a really good series

1:01:22

of Black Mirror that we haven't mentioned. Yeah, haven't mentioned

1:01:24

at all. I thought there

1:01:26

was some classic Black Mirror episodes in there. It

1:01:28

was great. I brought up Papa S.A.A. do earlier,

1:01:30

who's amazing. He's so good. One of the best

1:01:33

episodes of the show. He's so great. He's the

1:01:35

demon. He's amazing. I also really,

1:01:37

really love Boat Story, which was the- I didn't

1:01:39

catch it. I would really think about it. It's

1:01:41

an eye player. It's an Joseph show. It's on

1:01:43

an eye player. I think it's six episodes in

1:01:45

and out. One and done, the whole story's told in that

1:01:47

time about two

1:01:49

people that find a boat full of

1:01:51

cocaine on a small sort of

1:01:53

sleepy seaside town in the UK. Love that. And

1:01:56

jury duty as well, which I think was-

1:01:58

Yeah, catch that. Yeah, yeah,

1:02:00

be yeah. semi reality show about guy. there's

1:02:03

a survey savvy duty to everyone else is

1:02:05

an accent. Riot gear for heard about that?

1:02:07

Yeah yeah yeah. Rarely brilliant. Really brilliant because

1:02:10

to say too much about that without spoiling

1:02:12

disseminating. but that the Fs really phenomenal. They

1:02:14

will be my i guess mount a woman

1:02:16

since John the Economy from instance I the

1:02:19

only. The only solitary thing that I would

1:02:21

also like shall I didn't There wasn't so

1:02:23

much of a nerdy cook. Well, there was

1:02:25

an article in A, but it wasn't like

1:02:28

of a traditional in a marvel. And

1:02:30

star was stuff's said said that the

1:02:32

bill stand out from that was i

1:02:34

think like he really stuck the landing

1:02:36

if you managed to get to the

1:02:38

end of that and yes a complete

1:02:40

raise really amazing so as send docile

1:02:42

oh is it at do that character.

1:02:44

Yeah, I completely agree. I had

1:02:47

Loki on my list. I'd welcome

1:02:49

to Wrexham on my list. Think

1:02:51

it just gets better every season.

1:02:53

Slow horses. everyone ran about it

1:02:55

for very good reason. Surrogate as

1:02:57

described as every characters is so

1:03:00

engaging and a little curveball run

1:03:02

here. but over Christmas. Became.

1:03:04

Com a proper recommends Oh this really

1:03:06

somebody high brow stuff from suffering heard

1:03:09

of over Christmas he said. Easier.

1:03:11

To food coma he said sing

1:03:13

on prime. Pop. Breacher on.

1:03:16

And off be nice or beans or

1:03:18

seasons of reach and sovereignty. Enjoyed it's

1:03:21

I'm not sure how much I can

1:03:23

morally recommend because I think this is

1:03:25

really questionable south. Even though he is

1:03:27

a big a silly wilde I think

1:03:29

we celebrate in some really bad things

1:03:31

been done. But

1:03:34

it's sovereignty enjoyable and that my

1:03:36

lights played. he resists, Siege.

1:03:38

A join his I'm a mighty If

1:03:40

If is a fact I'm glad Surely

1:03:42

secured You must have seen him and

1:03:44

been think Marvel also ever the hosts

1:03:46

who is a good to be in

1:03:48

the Marvel universe is is fucking food

1:03:50

and some customer it's it's exam yeah

1:03:52

he's he's one of the biggest minimum

1:03:54

the same. massive

1:03:56

lot but yes i really don't have a

1:03:58

far whites a baby Is

1:04:01

there anything you didn't like this year that people

1:04:03

were raving about? I only say this because I've

1:04:05

got one. Wow.

1:04:09

I can't think of anything off the top of my head. What's yours? It's

1:04:12

not that I hated it, but I didn't really

1:04:14

rape beef that much. I

1:04:17

was really excited about it because everyone was saying

1:04:19

like it seemed to be one of the first

1:04:22

runs of the day it came out. Everyone was

1:04:24

like, oh my god, this is amazing. And

1:04:26

weirdly, I knew I was cat sitting that

1:04:28

weekend. So I planned my take away and

1:04:30

I was like, I'm going to binge beef.

1:04:33

And maybe the situation outdid

1:04:35

it. Maybe I'd built

1:04:37

it up so big that I was

1:04:39

like, I can't enjoy this. But

1:04:42

yeah, it just didn't work for me. I

1:04:45

only watched a couple episodes of beef and fell

1:04:47

away from it. So maybe I feel subconsciously. Fuck,

1:04:49

I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it. I

1:04:51

persisted because everyone was talking about it. And even

1:04:53

by the end, I was like, cool. That

1:04:57

was good. Good work, lads. There

1:04:59

was a show that I again fell off that I've

1:05:01

seen really high up a lot of lists and

1:05:04

that's Poker Face. Right. I enjoyed

1:05:06

it. I can see why. I can see

1:05:08

it. I've seen it in the

1:05:10

top five. Yeah, you know, and I really

1:05:12

wanted to really wanted to love it. I

1:05:14

think Natasha Leone is amazing. The

1:05:17

concept is great, but I found a little

1:05:19

bit by the end that the conceit was the same

1:05:22

in each episode almost like it was because it sort

1:05:24

of had to be. I

1:05:26

found it a little bit wearing and I didn't make

1:05:28

it to the end. The whole thing

1:05:31

of it's like a modern Colombo is exciting

1:05:33

until you realize I can't remember the last

1:05:35

time I watched a episode of Colombo. So

1:05:38

this is a really exciting idea. Oh, actually, I

1:05:40

don't really like watching Colombo. So I did finish

1:05:42

it and I did enjoy it. But as I

1:05:44

said, it wasn't on my list here. So it's

1:05:46

clearly one that didn't blow

1:05:49

me away. John, have you got anything? I

1:05:51

mean, nothing that like was rave reviews that I

1:05:54

then proceeded to dislike. But I think it's worth

1:05:56

me mentioning as as a sort of dyed

1:05:58

in the wool Marvel. boy with

1:06:00

the tattoo fully bought in,

1:06:03

that secret invasion messed up

1:06:05

the landing so bad. Like

1:06:09

we're talking about Loki sticking the landing,

1:06:11

secret invasion really messed up that landing

1:06:13

and had so much promise. He's got

1:06:15

like Olivia Colman, Samuel L. Jackson, Ben

1:06:20

Mendelsohn, like amazing people. Amelia Clark. Yeah,

1:06:22

loads of really good people in it.

1:06:24

And again, there were points of it.

1:06:26

I was really enjoying it, but I

1:06:28

think you're right. It kind of didn't

1:06:30

stick the landing at all, which is a shame

1:06:33

for sure. What

1:06:35

a somber note to end off. Anyway,

1:06:39

Dream Factory, where can people listen?

1:06:41

What's the plans? Have you got

1:06:43

any plans? What's

1:06:46

the future hold? Just more episodes,

1:06:48

more stupidity. It's

1:06:50

a very silly podcast. If you thought, you know,

1:06:52

this is me and Joel in serious mode, if you

1:06:54

want to be fancy hearing us in silly

1:06:57

mode, Dream Factory, it's a weekly

1:06:59

podcast where people send in movie

1:07:01

ideas, mostly pun based. And then Joel and

1:07:03

I riff off those for a while

1:07:05

and then get distracted by like a shiny penny or

1:07:07

something in the corner of the room. And

1:07:10

as I've said, time and time again,

1:07:12

I'm just a huge fan. I'm so

1:07:14

glad it came back and it's so

1:07:16

entertaining. Again, partly you guys, partly because

1:07:19

you're wonderful listeners, just consistently supplying these

1:07:21

fucking ridiculous ideas week in, week out.

1:07:23

And yeah, it's so really entertaining. There's

1:07:26

lots of people who send us, there's like

1:07:28

Twitter accounts that are just people making

1:07:30

puns based on movies and stuff. Or there'll

1:07:33

be TikTok videos where it's just people reading

1:07:35

out a pun and then laughing. And I

1:07:37

just think those guys aren't dedicated to this

1:07:39

enough. They need to e-cap 25 minutes of

1:07:41

content from one bad fun idea. Then they

1:07:44

can come back. And it's getting to their seventh year of

1:07:48

this. I need to really get into it. Well,

1:07:50

I'm glad we've got into our second year of

1:07:52

going over the TV shows. And again, it was a

1:07:56

bit of a challenge because we've not done it right at the

1:07:58

end of the year. As soon as I was

1:08:00

trying to put things together. I was like, what

1:08:02

did I watch this year? That typical thing, because

1:08:04

of the binge culture we live in now, that

1:08:06

you're really excited for one weekend and then you

1:08:09

forget it. I sit there for ages thinking, I

1:08:11

don't know, all I'm watching is the traitors

1:08:14

and Big Book. They all came out this

1:08:16

year. There was nothing before that. That's exciting,

1:08:18

Pip, because we recorded last year's in November.

1:08:21

We did 2022's TV in November of 2022. We're

1:08:25

doing 2023's TV in almost

1:08:27

February of 2024. Who

1:08:30

knows? We

1:08:32

might record it in April or we might record it in 2026. I

1:08:36

can't wait. I can't wait for that WhatsApp message. It's

1:08:39

going to be beautiful. Thank you guys. It's been a

1:08:41

pleasure as ever. Thank you so

1:08:43

much for having us. Thank you for having us. Cheers. You've

1:09:01

been listening to Scroobius

1:09:03

Pip's distraction pieces. There

1:09:05

we go. That was John and Joel. I

1:09:07

love doing a little bonus episode every now

1:09:09

and then. You know it's a lovely little

1:09:11

treat. Hope you all enjoyed that.

1:09:14

I hope you agreed with some

1:09:16

or all of the shows. And I hope you found

1:09:18

out some new shows in there as well. So yeah,

1:09:21

I'll be back next week on

1:09:23

the Wednesday. Back to our regular schedule

1:09:25

with one of the stars of

1:09:28

one of the TV shows I mentioned today.

1:09:31

In fact, I've got two

1:09:33

of the stars of TV shows

1:09:35

mentioned in this episode coming up in the next

1:09:37

month. So March contains

1:09:39

two stars. One

1:09:42

of the people is in two of the shows I mentioned.

1:09:44

I'm just realizing all of this. You're

1:09:46

hearing these realizations live. Yeah. So one

1:09:48

of my guests coming up is in

1:09:51

two shows that I recommended and another

1:09:53

one's in another show. So there's a

1:09:55

lot of excitement to come. And I've

1:09:57

got two music

1:10:00

based guests coming up which I know people get excited

1:10:02

about. So March is

1:10:04

going to be a hell of a month I'm telling

1:10:06

you. So I guess let's get on with it. We've

1:10:08

started it. Let's continue it as

1:10:10

we mean to go on. So

1:10:13

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