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All right , welcome back everybody to another episode

0:45

of the Do Our Things podcast . I'm

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your host , jt , your high performance running

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coach , high performance mindset

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coach , and what we do

0:54

here is we empower people to upgrade

0:56

their life through mindset and movement . And

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this is another interview episode and I'm

1:01

excited to have our special guest here , miwa

1:03

Adibi , who hosts the

1:06

Day In and Day Out podcast

1:08

. I had the pleasure of being on his podcast

1:10

. It's been probably just around

1:12

a year , maybe a little more than a year , and

1:15

Miwa is across the pond over in England

1:17

and , man

1:19

, I tell you what I am truly , of all

1:21

the podcasts that I have been on , miwa

1:24

gave me the most . It

1:26

was probably the most memorable intro

1:29

and energy and I love his consistency

1:31

. He was always out running and getting after

1:34

it over there in England and I'm glad

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to have you on the podcast , miwa .

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Thank you for being here , I'm glad to

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be here , jay , and I'm glad

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to see the check has finally cleared

1:44

, so I get this positive feedback

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from you on a regular basis . It's

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all good , yeah man .

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I'm a huge fan , Miwa , like

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every day , I feel like I see

1:56

you every day when I'm doing my workout

1:58

and I post and I scroll you

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pop up . It's almost like I

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love being connected with like-minded people

2:05

on a similar journey . I love your message

2:07

about being a life warrior and I just love the

2:09

positivity that you're spreading , because I think that

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the world needs it and

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I'm a huge fan , brother .

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Ah , thank you very much for the kind

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words there . Thank you very much for the kind words

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, but like this is the thing we always

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need to be out there , sort of trying

2:24

and testing ourselves , because it's

2:26

so easy to fall

2:28

back , it's so easy to get lax

2:30

in life . Trust me , I've

2:33

been highly active and I've

2:35

been highly inactive through

2:37

the course of my life . I like

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being on the active side , you know .

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Absolutely , absolutely . Well , I'd love to get into that

2:44

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taking the time to be here . I guess we'll kick

4:53

it off with just tell us a little bit about

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who you are and what you do .

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Yes , my name is Miwa Adibi . I

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am the host of the Day in , Day

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out podcast . I am

5:04

a podcast is

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now coming

5:08

up to almost half a decade

5:11

of podcasting as

5:13

well as yeah , how

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can I put it ? I wouldn't say a full-time

5:18

athlete or anything like this , but like

5:20

, yeah , a very enthusiastic

5:23

hobbyist when it comes

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to working out . Let's just say

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so , yes , this year I will be

5:29

doing the London Marathon , running

5:32

for Action for MEE . So

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, yeah , so I am keeping myself

5:37

busy . This year , Hopefully

5:39

I'll be getting out there and doing some more things

5:42

, but we need to keep focused

5:44

on what we're doing right now . See if

5:46

we can set up other things along the way I

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love it .

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Half a decade , that's a long time , you

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know . I don't know if many people know this , but

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a podcast 96% of podcasts

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do not make it to the two-year mark . What

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has kept you ? Well , I guess it's two-part

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question what inspired you to

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start the podcast and

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what has been probably your biggest

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lesson or takeaway from doing

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this for over a half decade ?

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Now the reason why I started the podcast

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like okay , when I first started I was like

6:18

, okay , let me just talk

6:20

into the mic and wax the lyrical , give

6:23

him my sort of thoughts , and like , like

6:25

waning throughout

6:28

my life , which I got , kind of like , yeah

6:31

, I've only , I've only got a fumble

6:33

worth of wisdom in me . So

6:36

I was like no , so I started

6:38

interviewing people . I've like , in

6:40

this day and age I feel it's

6:42

very important to have discussions

6:45

, to talk to people out there in

6:47

this world of ours , because as

6:51

much as we're connected in

6:53

this world right now we are

6:55

quite isolated and

6:57

we're getting more and like the whole sort of

6:59

realm of discourse is getting that

7:01

much harder . It's like if

7:04

you don't , if you've got this set opinion

7:06

, you will never be able to talk to X

7:08

, Y and Z people and it's

7:10

just like makes no sense

7:12

to me . So with that it

7:14

was a case of for myself , on

7:16

a selfish level , I get to talk

7:19

to many people out there like good people

7:21

like yourself , where I can learn and

7:23

get that , that increase

7:25

my fumble of wisdom

7:27

up to maybe a glass , maybe

7:30

a pint glass in the near future . But

7:33

I still grow , I can still grow

7:35

, I can still develop . It goes . One of the things

7:37

as you get older , when

7:40

you're in your teens , you like

7:42

, oh , yes , we're

7:44

going to go out tonight , who's with

7:46

me ? We are Legion . And you turn

7:49

oh , big , raw

7:51

and away you go . So you having

7:53

all of these interactions , you having all these conversations

7:56

, hit your like , hit

7:58

your mid 20s , your late 20s . It's like

8:00

, okay , we're going out tonight , we

8:03

are Legion , Turn , oh

8:05

, still not as loud as it

8:07

once was , but it's still there . Now

8:10

, get into your 30s , we're

8:12

going out tonight . We are Legion . Oh

8:16

, where's everyone

8:18

gone ? So

8:21

as each decade goes on

8:24

, like it comes to a point where it's like we

8:26

are Legion , it's like , no , no

8:28

, we are small crack team

8:30

unit . It's like , yeah , so

8:33

you lose all these other opportunities

8:35

to have conversations , to meet people

8:37

on the regular basis . And

8:39

that's where you get more settings

8:42

like your ways get set in stone

8:44

and you get that much smaller

8:46

. So I'm trying to fight

8:49

that off as well , you know .

8:51

Yeah , you bring up some great points

8:53

. We are connected

8:56

more than ever , but it's very

8:58

shallow and it's

9:00

a lot of squawking and it's a lot of

9:02

like loud noise and

9:04

entertainment , but it's not

9:06

deep . And I think you

9:08

know , I don't know , I know in the United

9:11

States we're having a mental health . I

9:13

would say it's a crisis . I mean , we have a lot of . The suicide

9:15

rate is incredibly high , depression , anxiety

9:18

, all of those things are incredibly high . Yet

9:20

we live like in the most peaceful time

9:22

, the most abundant time ever

9:24

. Now we're not without challenges but

9:27

by and large , compared to like you

9:29

know , if you study humanity , like it's

9:31

a pretty damn good time to be alive compared

9:34

to other , but we are like just

9:37

deficient in our mental health

9:39

and

9:41

yeah , there's some significant challenges there and

9:43

I think it's just a lack of deep connection .

9:46

Well , like deep connection . But you think

9:48

about it right , this time in

9:50

, like , in this world of ours , like

9:52

, especially if , like , look , you're

9:54

in the States , I'm in the UK . I'm

9:57

pretty much like , yeah , any

9:59

quote unquote developed world

10:01

country is in

10:03

a time of abundance

10:05

like no other Melnutrition

10:08

, starving , hunger , no

10:11

, like put it , like you could be

10:13

homeless right now and be able

10:15

to get at least two , maybe

10:17

three meals a day , still not

10:20

having any money or whatnot

10:22

, just going about your business , which

10:25

would not have been a thing , say

10:27

, 50 years ago , 100

10:29

years ago . No , but like

10:32

, yeah , there's an abundance of ways to

10:34

communicate , but with that

10:36

abundance , there is no

10:39

focus because , like

10:41

, I could look , for example

10:43

, when you were

10:45

a lad and when I was a lad , you

10:48

go , okay , I'm going to watch a TV show

10:50

. And like , yeah , if you didn't

10:52

have access to cable and you were just

10:55

watching normal , like regular TV

10:57

, you had to be there

10:59

for that show at that time

11:01

. When it came on . You didn't

11:03

really be like , okay , I can

11:05

do this . You had to make that appointment

11:07

and you had to be focused on it . Now

11:10

, I

11:12

could be watching what I want to watch . You could

11:14

be watching what you wanted to watch right

11:17

now , right here , with

11:19

a thousand and one different

11:21

things , the amount of times people just

11:23

scroll through like Netflix

11:27

, looking for something to watch and

11:30

I can't seem to find anything . Every

11:32

option under the sun , but

11:36

there is no focus . If

11:38

there was five things to watch Netflix

11:40

and you were like , yeah , you

11:42

got to watch one of those things , yeah , pal

11:44

, you're there , no problem at all

11:46

Focused . But that's

11:48

one of the things which is lacking , I think .

11:51

Yeah , lack of focus . I'm

11:55

writing a book right now and it's one of the topics I talk

11:57

about is the

12:00

lack of people

12:02

feel lack of purpose and disconnection

12:04

. And biologically

12:07

, as humans

12:10

, we were designed to create

12:12

and be a part of a community . Everything

12:16

in the universe has its function and place

12:18

and everything is harmonious . What is the place

12:20

of a human ? I think we're designed

12:22

to create and be a part of a community . I think we're

12:24

very much similar to ants and bees

12:26

. Right , they have a community . Everyone has a

12:28

job . I think

12:30

that for

12:33

us , as humans , we have to figure out what

12:35

is the thing that we create . Then

12:38

that's where the options come in . Like we have , we're

12:40

designed to create something and

12:43

I think people are disconnected from what they're supposed

12:45

to be doing . They're working in boring jobs that

12:47

are . They're not in alignment with

12:49

what they were designed to create . And

12:52

for centuries , you know , humans

12:54

were just so busy . You were born if

12:57

you were born into a you know blacksmith

12:59

family , well , you were a blacksmith and you

13:01

spent all of your day doing that thing and just

13:03

trying to survive . Now

13:06

we have , like , so many options . You

13:08

can literally do anything that you want and

13:10

we just don't know what we want , and it's the lack of focus

13:12

to try to just crazy , because we're not tapped into what

13:14

we want , what we should be doing , and

13:17

doing that level of soul searching , and I think

13:19

I think that's part of our challenge .

13:21

Yeah , like this is the thing . You also

13:23

bring up a very important point with regards

13:26

to connection , like that sort

13:28

of sense of community , like one

13:30

of the things is OK , people

13:33

like oh , yeah , it's so easy

13:35

to like form your community online

13:37

, everything like this , but there's one fight

13:40

or thing . What is missing ? Like

13:42

OK , you have a community

13:44

which is online , which is great

13:46

, it's all good , but if

13:49

you can't meet face

13:52

to face , like look at that

13:54

person who's in your community and have that

13:56

conversation while you're in the room

13:58

, pick up on the little micro things , share

14:01

a laugh , like see a tales of sorrow

14:03

, like personally , where

14:06

you can physically touch them , yeah

14:08

, people , but it's

14:11

a case of that sort of thing , that

14:13

sort of extra connection . That is

14:15

what is lacking

14:18

as well , I would say , with many people

14:21

out there , and it was highlighted

14:23

so much more when 2020

14:26

rolled around and it was like

14:28

OK , people went

14:30

a little bit like doing Lally

14:32

, wasn't . It wasn't for a case

14:34

of , yeah , oh , we got zoom . You can talk

14:36

on the zoom , but without that

14:38

sort of interconnection

14:41

where it was like one on one people

14:43

together , it does take

14:45

something away . There is something which

14:47

there is this , that , that

14:50

secret sort of whatnot is missing , as

14:52

you know .

14:54

Yeah , we need real life

14:57

connection and what I've noticed

14:59

is I've talked to people like one on one or off the side

15:01

. You would think that people are incredibly connected because you're

15:03

looking at their social media and they've got a bunch of followers

15:05

and whatnot . Then , when you really talk to them

15:07

like they're feeling lonely and

15:09

it's because they don't have that , they might

15:11

be connected online , but that's like it's

15:14

not . It's not deep

15:16

and meaningful and , to your point , we

15:18

need to be connected , like

15:21

we need to have . We

15:24

need to be having shared experiences and

15:27

being able to have like deeper conversation

15:29

, and I think humans humans

15:31

are tribal . We need that and we

15:34

, when we don't have that , I

15:36

think that's a recipe for

15:38

you know , that's where you go down this negative

15:40

track and get really disconnected and

15:42

that's where you go off the deep end .

15:44

Yeah , but like this is the thing you

15:46

like you should know better

15:48

than most people , because you've organized

15:51

a number of events and , like

15:53

you must probably , are picking up feedback

15:55

left , right and center from people you've

15:58

helped go right when you've done

16:00

the 5k's and got like fruits

16:02

of people across , like across

16:04

the country , across the world , to meet

16:06

and connect with each

16:08

other , like they must be able to

16:10

like tell you one or two things . Like

16:12

this is the reason why I'm grateful

16:14

for X , y and Z what

16:16

you've been doing , you know yeah

16:19

.

16:19

I mean that's the whole point of the Do Our Things Nation is to

16:21

create a community . Because the

16:23

here's what I've learned a

16:25

lot of people I go out and run and

16:28

you get made fun of you , get car

16:30

drivers are impatient with you . It's like

16:32

a very small percentage of us are getting out there

16:35

and actually running and doing this crazy

16:37

sport of running and endurance sports

16:39

, like people make fun of you . And

16:41

then the mindset stuff , like I , you

16:43

know years , you know American

16:45

football here , very , very popular . We

16:48

played , you know , on Sundays and you

16:50

go to work on Monday and everyone's talking about the football

16:52

game and I was always like , well , I just

16:54

read , you know , think and Grow Rich . Does anyone

16:56

want to talk about it ? They'd laugh at me , you

16:58

know . It's just I felt lonely , I feel

17:00

lonely and in running

17:02

sometimes I feel lonely , in in

17:04

the mindset stuff and I'm like you

17:06

know what I want to create a community

17:09

for people that appreciate this . And

17:11

that's what we've done . And when you talk to people

17:14

that are engaging the kid , they feel the same way

17:16

. They've got lots of friends outside doing

17:18

other things but they all feel the same thing . Yeah , they make

17:20

fun of me when I run they . We talk

17:22

about personal growth development . They don't want anything

17:24

to do with it , and that's fine . There's no judgment in that , but

17:27

we've . That's what that's

17:29

. The whole purpose of the Do Our Things Nation is to create

17:31

a community where we can actually connect virtually

17:34

, because I think virtual is great for

17:37

those day to day hits where , but

17:39

also creating in-person events

17:41

as well . That's kind of where we're going going forward , so

17:43

we can actually connect with people .

17:46

The great thing about social media is

17:48

the ability to connect , but we

17:50

also need touch points that are in person yeah

17:54

, no , but like this thing , if you can connect

17:56

, but you can add depth

17:58

to that , yes , by all means

18:00

connect . Like the quality of that

18:02

connection so much better , like

18:05

the amount of times I've through

18:07

my job , like my day-to-day job

18:10

, where I call countless people

18:12

on the phone and when

18:14

we have an event where we bring people

18:16

together , like for awards

18:18

night or whatnot , when like like , oh

18:20

, yes , oh , you're so and so

18:22

, above our pleasure , thank you for

18:24

coming . Like , yeah , their

18:27

, their faces light up , because it's

18:29

like , yes , I actually am

18:31

meeting you , having this conversation

18:33

with you here and now , rather

18:36

than sort of like you're on the telephone

18:38

over a screen , but

18:41

yeah , but you know what I mean

18:43

. I don't know um , like

18:46

sometimes it's , I

18:49

see the value of it . But like , yeah

18:51

, but there's nothing

18:53

wrong with being uncommon . Like

18:56

, yeah , there's nothing wrong with being

18:58

like , okay , yeah , you might run , you

19:00

might do this , and people might go , ha ha

19:02

, make fun of you about it

19:04

. But this is the truth of it . There

19:07

are people when you're running early in the morning

19:09

, they'll look at you like , oh , you're

19:11

freaking crazy , you're insane . Like

19:14

people are going ah , ah , respect

19:17

to you for doing the run . Like , ah

19:19

, respect to you for doing their run . And then

19:21

, every now and then , you get that look from

19:23

a person where they're like , oh , should

19:26

be there yeah , I

19:28

should be there with you .

19:28

Yeah , I wish I was there , yeah

19:31

, yeah

19:34

, well , I've learned over time

19:37

to to quit caring what other people think of

19:39

me , because no matter what you do , you're going to get judged

19:41

, so you might as well just be you and uh

19:43

, and and that's uh . Once

19:45

I was able to do that , I felt incredibly

19:48

free , and now I just do whatever

19:50

it is that I want to do , and I really I

19:52

truly don't give two shits

19:54

what somebody thinks about me

19:57

or what I do , and I'm glad to be in that space of my

19:59

life , because I had lived many years where I

20:01

I cared a lot , I cared a lot about

20:03

the opinions of others and it didn't

20:05

serve me very well , and now I'm confident in

20:07

myself , I know who I am , and

20:09

I want to encourage other people to get there too , because it's

20:11

incredibly freeing yeah , I know

20:13

, but like this is the thing .

20:14

Like I , I've got to say respect

20:16

to you because , like , yeah , when we

20:19

, when I had you on my podcast

20:21

, you were like you were preparing

20:23

to like , yeah , um

20:26

, I don't know what the correct term for

20:28

leaving the military is , but

20:30

you were preparing to like , yeah , go

20:33

from military service into civvy

20:35

street and you're doing that transition

20:37

across and like this

20:39

is the thing . Like look , rather

20:42

than sort of like , going , okay , yeah , I've done

20:44

that . And like being lost

20:46

in the wilderness of like going for a , a

20:49

drip , like a organization

20:51

which has a shared purpose driving

20:54

forward . To like , yeah

20:56

, to being out there . Like going I

20:59

have nothing now , what the heck's going

21:01

on ? Yeah , just get . You went , put

21:03

your head down , got on with it

21:05

and you went , yeah , you executed

21:07

your plan and you're and from what I can see , you're

21:10

executing your plan quite well .

21:12

I'm like . I appreciate that . Yeah , we're working

21:14

hard at it and you know what you bring up a great point

21:16

like when I was in the military . I spent 27

21:18

years and you got to tow the . You got to tow

21:20

the line of the company , the company line , right , and

21:22

you're being in the military like it's 24

21:25

seven and I was always

21:27

kind of an outlier . You know , starting a podcast

21:29

and talking about things , that's , that's a

21:32

people kind of give you the side eye , like

21:34

who the hell

21:36

do you think you are doing that ? You know , and the

21:38

and um , it was . It

21:40

was interesting because I started that a few years

21:42

before I got out and it's unusual , uh

21:45

, to do that , but I did it anyway

21:47

because I just didn't care and

21:49

I knew I was getting out and it's what I wanted to do . But

21:52

, yeah , it came with some like um , some

21:54

some peculiar looks like you're

21:56

stepping out of the company line there . What are

21:58

you doing ? And um , yeah

22:01

, so it's been interesting , but now I can be free

22:03

to do whatever I want and it's , it's

22:05

great . I really appreciate it .

22:08

Ah , yeah , I hear you , how many podcast

22:11

episodes have you done now ? Because

22:13

, uh , you and and

22:15

like , yeah , you do an episode

22:17

. What do you mean

22:20

?

22:20

Yeah , every , every Monday we kick , we kick

22:22

off , so just just on Mondays , um

22:25

, I've had a couple other co-hosts and

22:27

they've kind of like you know , they kind of

22:29

came and gone and and for you know

22:31

the whatever , um

22:33

, I started this , I can't even remember it's been

22:35

shoot . We're over the three-year mark

22:38

or right around the three-year mark now , so

22:40

I don't know the total number of episodes

22:42

, but we've been , we started slinging one out

22:44

and then two for a while , then back to one

22:46

and then now we're back on to two again . So

22:48

, and I I

22:50

need to go back . I I'm

22:52

kind of like reorganizing things . I need to

22:54

go back there . I want to number them like one

22:57

through , whatever , because right now I've got like season three

22:59

, episode 20 . So , to be honest , I don't know how many

23:01

episodes I currently have , but

23:04

it's a lot .

23:06

Like this is the thing , like do you

23:08

really want to number them ? Or like

23:11

are you happy with the way it is right now

23:13

?

23:14

I want to number them , because now I'm at a point where

23:16

I want to reference like , hey , go check

23:18

out this podcast with so and so , but

23:20

I've had a couple people on twice . I'm like , well

23:23

, I don't know what episode number that is , so I

23:25

didn't keep a good record of what was on what

23:27

episode . Now I'm getting more

23:29

organized . When I first started this , this

23:31

thing , yeah , I'm just like , look , I'm

23:34

gonna get to two years . It's gonna be messy

23:36

. I'm trying to figure things out . I don't know how it's gonna

23:38

turn out . I just want to get to two years

23:40

and that's what we did . If we didn't , we just

23:42

we just went for it . Now I'm

23:44

here , I'm like , okay , well

23:46

, this is where I'm at , this is what I like , this is what I

23:48

want to do . We've made changes

23:50

, we've experimented along the way , and

23:53

I think a lot of people would have probably stopped the

23:55

podcast , maybe recreated it . I

23:57

just , I have just let it turn into whatever

23:59

it's turned into and I just keep showing up .

24:01

So so , like this is a

24:03

thing I have to ask , and like

24:05

this is where I might be turning , turning

24:08

back . So what do you want for

24:10

the next two years with regards

24:12

to , let's say , with the podcast

24:15

say , yeah , what do I

24:17

want ?

24:18

I Wanted well , so

24:20

we're we're the Monday

24:22

episodes are turning more into movement

24:24

. We I recategorize the podcast

24:26

is something I did recently . I had

24:29

to figure out who who is , who

24:31

are our listeners , who's listening to the podcast

24:33

, and what we've determined is

24:35

it's Runners with the growth mindset

24:38

. So we've kind of shaped that

24:40

we . We recategorize the podcast

24:42

into the running sports category

24:45

and we talk about mindset

24:47

topics and running . So the last couple episodes

24:49

we've talked about various running topics , because

24:51

Angie's also a running coach and avid

24:54

runner and so we keep

24:56

that one kind of short . And then the interviews are gonna be more

24:58

mindset-oriented athlete . It's

25:00

gonna be a mix of both athletes

25:02

and mindset , and so the

25:05

the goal of the podcast , kind

25:07

of to your point me is I'm

25:11

selfish , I want to have

25:13

great conversations with people and

25:15

I want it to be genuine and I want to . I

25:17

want to use it as a platform to maybe get

25:19

some higher profile guests on here . But

25:21

I also want to have great conversations with whomever

25:24

I think is interesting and who

25:26

I think might serve our community

25:28

, and I

25:31

Want I mean I want to continue to grow

25:33

it and , you know , get it to a top ranking

25:36

podcast . So that's

25:38

where I'm kind of out with it . I Hear

25:40

you , I hear you .

25:41

Oh , like this the thing lots

25:43

of , lots of hard work down the way

25:46

, I'm sure you'll get done yeah

25:48

.

25:49

What about you ? What's what's your motivation and

25:51

where do you see your podcast going ?

25:53

now , with regards to my motivation

25:56

to keep going , it's a case of

25:58

like , yeah , well , with this , with

26:01

my podcast , I'm like , okay , see

26:04

, like , get

26:07

to the five year mark , see where I'm at

26:09

. If , like , see how many episodes

26:11

have done kind of review , what

26:14

Sort of lessons have come along the

26:16

way , yeah , and then basically

26:18

go , okay , I

26:20

know I'm gonna have to make a choice

26:22

where I would like Things

26:25

to go a little bit more focused

26:27

, because I generally just

26:29

talk to everyone . I just like

26:31

it doesn't like if you went , yeah , I

26:34

don't , I can't say it's like , or

26:36

is it about films ? No , is

26:39

it just about running ? No , is

26:41

it just about fitness ? No , so

26:43

, yeah , we've regards to getting it focused

26:46

down to like a couple of like

26:48

, maybe three key areas . I

26:51

must already be doing that for the

26:53

like , for this year , next

26:55

year , which will take me

26:57

into year five and six

27:00

, and yeah , basically

27:02

try to get as many people like interview

27:05

this possible , given like , give myself

27:07

the opportunity to learn and grow and , hopefully

27:09

, giving other people the opportunity to learn

27:12

and grow , like the whole thing is

27:14

like growth is like

27:16

growth , especially mental growth

27:18

, should be a Life-long

27:21

endeavor . Yes , there is

27:23

no sort of end . There's

27:25

no sort of stop . The only time

27:28

that should ever end . Ever stop

27:30

is , yes , when

27:33

I'm not gonna really care anymore and

27:36

lucky because my time has come

27:38

to an end . But from this

27:40

point , like so

27:43

when I go , that's what

27:45

it should be all about . And , yeah

27:48

, would I like it to be like . If

27:50

it grows to something where

27:52

it's like a top-ranking podcast , that'd

27:55

be cool . But if it's the case of

27:57

it , doesn't do that but

27:59

it's . I still get the opportunity to learn

28:02

and grow and help a small group

28:04

of people , yeah , grow . I've

28:07

added something positive to the

28:09

world which wasn't there before . Yes

28:12

, people like , oh , but this podcast

28:14

time , it doesn't know , there's not . It's

28:17

not as many podcasts as people think there are

28:19

. And , yeah

28:21

, adding something positive to the world

28:23

, not

28:27

many people like , not many people

28:29

are doing it in a sort of medium

28:31

, like in this medium . In some regards

28:33

Some are , some are not . But

28:35

if you can , if I

28:37

can add something positive , I'm

28:39

gonna download to it .

28:41

Yeah , absolutely . I . I To

28:45

your point . I'm not trying to compete with

28:47

Joe Rogan and be like have

28:49

millions of people if that happens , great

28:51

, hmm , but what

28:54

I think what's more meaningful is to create

28:56

a community , and I love

28:58

you . I've always . I was inspired

29:00

by . There's a there's an essay

29:02

called a thousand screaming fans .

29:04

Oh , and I was true

29:06

fans .

29:06

It's that , yeah , a thousand true fans , yeah

29:08

, and the whole premise is that if

29:10

you want to make a movement , you don't need millions of

29:13

followers , you just need a thousand

29:15

of dedicated people to you

29:17

know , to you know , support

29:19

what you do and be all in with what you do . And

29:22

you know , from a coaching perspective and a content

29:24

creator , you can make a pretty good living , you can

29:26

make it like a legitimate business out of that

29:28

, and so

29:31

that's been kind of the . The goal

29:33

is to make a unique . I don't want it

29:35

to get too big like , because it is

29:37

hard to manage , you know and and and whatnot

29:39

, but I do want a solid core of people

29:41

that are like-minded , that

29:44

can connect together . And

29:46

it's also a really cool

29:48

legacy for my family , like all

29:50

of these episodes , like that's

29:53

a digital footprint that you know . You

29:55

know along after I'm gone . You know

29:57

, I don't know who my great-grandfather

29:59

was . I've got a couple photos , but

30:02

I don't know . I never , I've never heard his voice

30:04

. I have no idea . Whomever

30:06

comes behind me , if they're interested

30:08

, they can hear who I am and what

30:10

I am , and my kids can listen to me later

30:12

. They don't listen now , but maybe one day they'll appreciate

30:15

what I do . They know that I record a podcast

30:17

, but they hear me enough every day , day , in and out . Maybe

30:19

, maybe their kids will want to hear grandpa , you know , and

30:21

I think that the legacy aspect

30:24

is actually pretty cool .

30:26

Yeah , that this is a thing like

30:29

as the hammock online , as

30:31

the line from hammock and says yeah , like

30:34

yeah , create a legacy is like plot , like

30:36

Create a garden you'll never

30:38

see , and like the whole thing is

30:40

like from what

30:43

you guys have been doing , inspiring people

30:45

to get out there , do hard

30:47

things , yeah , so I'm

30:49

like yeah , gets that place where

30:51

they're moving from there a

30:53

comfortable , cushy life , inter

30:56

. Like yeah , testing themselves , like

30:58

this is a testament to like the world

31:00

we live in . We have to actually Arrange

31:03

things to physically test ourselves

31:06

like mentally and physically , rather

31:08

than it's all been on the

31:10

regular . So the dates day , if you get

31:12

Miami , for the most part , I

31:15

think that we are designed to

31:17

.

31:17

I Mean everything

31:19

in the universe expands . If you

31:21

think about when you were born as a baby , like

31:23

, over time you grow , you

31:25

expand . You expand your body

31:28

, your wealth , your relationships

31:30

, your legacy . Everything

31:32

in the universe is ever expanding . And

31:35

I think as we expand we

31:37

get to a comfort zone and we should enjoy that

31:40

. That's kind of like the yielding the fruits of your

31:42

labor . But if you stay there for too long

31:44

You'll start to have some

31:46

resistance . You're expected to expand

31:48

again and with that expansion

31:50

comes a little bit of challenge

31:52

and grit and discipline and

31:55

People that have been the comfort zone too long that

31:57

are unsettled . That's a sign

31:59

the universe is tapping on the shoulder like it's

32:02

time to grow again . It's time to do something

32:04

difficult again Now . You shouldn't have to

32:06

be spending your entire life doing hard things

32:08

. You're probably maybe expanding it such a Maybe

32:11

too fast , or maybe you're not expanding in

32:13

the right direction . But we should

32:15

be expanding and I think that comfort

32:17

is okay , comforts great . But

32:20

if you're too comfortable , I don't think

32:22

that's healthy for you either .

32:24

Yeah , no , no , this is a thing

32:26

. No , it's not too healthy , but

32:28

like this is like when you sort of test

32:31

yourself , you got to make sure you're like

32:33

kind of like You've laid

32:35

the ground for that Uncoming

32:38

challenge , because like this is a thing . Like

32:40

what year was it ? Like it

32:42

was 2022

32:45

, like Beginning of

32:47

the year . I started the beginning of the year

32:49

. I ran every day

32:51

, at least 5k

32:54

every day for the whole

32:56

month of January and like I

32:58

like I'd signed it off with

33:00

doing the 4448 .

33:02

Oh , yeah , that's a good

33:04

one yeah .

33:05

I was like , yeah , so I was like

33:07

impeccable

33:09

, like my mind was like all into

33:12

, yeah , great . But then I kind of fell

33:14

off the running for a good

33:16

like sort of my running was spotty

33:19

at best for a good three

33:21

, four months . Then come

33:23

like , my friend managed

33:26

to get me signed up for London Marathon

33:28

for 2022 . And

33:31

I was like yeah , I was like okay , yeah , I

33:34

mean I'm fairly good shape . Tell

33:36

you what I'll do the

33:38

lemon spa half marathon beforehand

33:41

, so sort of kick off my training

33:44

regime . J

33:48

J J J , j , j , j J J

33:50

J J . Oh , now

33:53

, let's just say it was

33:55

how can I put it ? It was a test

33:58

of humility . On that occasion

34:00

I went from like yeah , running

34:02

every day , like , yeah , piece

34:05

of cake , piece of piss , no worries

34:07

. Ah , doing the four , four , four

34:09

, e , eight , going , yeah , ah , I

34:11

managed to get it done , no problem , no worries

34:13

. To doing

34:15

this half marathon , get into

34:18

the end of it . Like

34:20

sprinted through the

34:22

end of like . Through the finish , I was like okay

34:25

, walking

34:27

to a bench , sat

34:29

down , recorded the video , ate

34:33

a banana , getting

34:36

up to walk up the road

34:38

. I lived from where , the park

34:41

, where it finished , I

34:44

lived about just

34:47

over like three quarters of a mile away , to

34:50

like going , getting walking

34:53

up this hill , stopping

34:55

picking up my

34:57

phone , calling my pregnant

35:00

lady at the time to

35:02

pick me up by car

35:04

to get home . Everything

35:08

, everything , ate , like

35:11

going right , just like . Ah

35:13

, didn't do anything for a

35:15

good maybe 10 days because

35:18

everything's still eight . Yes , pain

35:21

upon pain upon pain . And like , yeah , it was

35:24

like , oh , it was a good job I

35:27

did that if I didn't because

35:29

I was like I was

35:31

. What made me fail on that , like

35:33

I've completed it , but what made me feel

35:36

that pain ? Running

35:38

by yourself , you

35:40

run at a different pace . You run totally

35:42

different . When you're running by yourself , running

35:45

in with a group of people , all of

35:47

a sudden all these different things start

35:49

kicking off . Like , yes , I'm in

35:51

a race with that person over there , you

35:53

in the green shirt , I'm in a race with you . They

35:57

have no idea you're racing them , but you are

35:59

racing them , so

36:02

you're going . For I was going faster than I

36:04

should be , like my pacing was completely

36:06

off and , yeah , a

36:08

well-dressed suffering was there for me at

36:11

the end of it all . So by the time I

36:13

got to do the London marathon , I was aware

36:15

of it . Quite done , yeah

36:18

yeah . Still felt it , but yeah , it

36:20

was like yeah , how much .

36:22

how much time did you have between the half marathon and the

36:24

marathon and prefer ?

36:25

Like , basically , the half

36:27

marathon was , I believe , end

36:30

of June and the London

36:33

marathon that year was in

36:35

September or October . So

36:39

yeah , it was like it was a healthy

36:41

amount of time . But

36:43

it was like , yeah , it

36:46

was a good wake up call to like , okay

36:48

, I need to get off my backside and do

36:50

quite a lot of work . So

36:52

it was like running , like yeah

36:55

, stationary bike work to

36:57

like help get me up , get

36:59

my like fitness up and

37:02

conditioning . So yeah , lots of work

37:04

.

37:05

My first marathon was an absolute shit show . I

37:08

ran the Honolulu Marathon . I was stationed

37:10

in Hawaii and at the time

37:12

I was a really fast like 5k

37:16

, 10k runner . Yeah , I didn't

37:18

do anything more than a 10k and I'm like

37:20

a marathon . That's going to be a challenge

37:22

, but I can muscle my way through it

37:24

. I can make it happen . I

37:26

bought a brand new pair of shoes . Oh

37:28

no , I'm

37:31

like they got bananas and goose

37:33

on the race course and they've got . They

37:36

got hydration . I think they're using propel

37:38

or something like that . I'm like I don't need to bring anything . I got

37:40

new shoes . What else ? This

37:43

is going to be all right . This Honolulu is going to be great . I

37:45

towed the line and I took off

37:47

. Man , I took off . I held back a little

37:49

bit , but I was cruising at a pretty good pace and

37:52

right around the half marathon

37:55

mark that's where I started

37:57

to really like . I started to feel

37:59

it . I was hungry and I'm like

38:01

, oh man , I don't have any food . They

38:03

had little pieces of banana and stuff there . I was like

38:05

I'm going to give us whole bananas . So I

38:07

was like scavenging for food at the water stops . I

38:10

started my run . I could run a little bit and I started

38:13

to walk . I'm slowing down by a mile 18

38:15

. I mean , I hit the wall hard

38:17

and I

38:19

noticed there were some people pointing at me . I'm

38:21

like man , there's all these people around me , because it's a race of like

38:23

30,000 people . There's people all around me , but like

38:25

people are pointing at me . I'm like , what

38:28

the hell are they pointing at ? And they're like kind of like

38:30

doing this , Like , oh my gosh . I'm

38:32

like look at , like what the hell I'm looking down . I'm like fine

38:34

, and I looked down at my shirt

38:37

and I had a white tank top on . Oh

38:39

no , I had

38:41

blood down from my nipples . My nipples were chafed

38:44

so bad . I had blood

38:46

down my white shirt and

38:49

I'm like , oh my God , I've

38:51

just like felt like I just got hit by a , by

38:53

a Mack truck , and I still had six miles

38:55

to go . So I I took my shirt

38:58

off . I was embarrassed . I'm like , oh my God , I

39:00

got a photo . I do have . One of the photo

39:02

spots has me with my shirt and I have it somewhere

39:04

. I didn't buy it . Well , maybe I did buy the photo

39:06

because it came with the other , the other nice finisher

39:09

photo .

39:11

I was embarrassed .

39:12

I kind of run , walked , you know

39:14

, the last six miles and that the last

39:17

mile I was just kind of I was hobbling through

39:19

. I ran across , I got

39:21

my medal and I just got in the grass and

39:23

I just like I started crying . I was

39:25

like in so much pain and

39:28

the start line were from where my car was

39:31

parked , was like a couple of miles away and

39:34

I had to . I I

39:36

don't know how long it took me to get to my car . I

39:38

was like I found a park bench , I laid there for

39:40

a bit , I crawled my way

39:43

and finally found my car . I got in my car

39:45

and I was like laying there for a bit . I finally drove

39:47

home and I remember cobbling

39:49

like , just like crawling up the steps . I got in the bathtub

39:52

, I was done . I was done

39:54

. I could hardly walk for like the rest of the

39:56

weekend and then it took me about a week to fully

39:58

like get to where I could actually jog again

40:00

. It was a disaster

40:02

. It was an absolute disaster . I didn't

40:04

know what the hell I was doing . Oh man

40:06

, love it .

40:07

Love it . No , I've

40:10

never done that . Like less the bloody

40:12

nipples , dude .

40:14

I got to find that photo . I

40:17

mean , I got to post that because I don't know if I've ever

40:19

posted that , but it was . It was pretty bad , it was

40:21

. It was a lesson like do hard things . I

40:23

learned things the hard way . And you know , from

40:25

that point I'm like , okay , I will never do

40:27

that again , but I want to do this again

40:30

the right way . And it , you know , I started

40:32

studying , I started learning . I , you know

40:34

, I upskilled my knowledge

40:37

in running , I mastered short distance

40:39

running . But I , I was

40:41

cocky and I had ego

40:43

and I'm like I got this and

40:45

it kicked my , it humbled me .

40:47

Yeah , no , but like this is a thing

40:50

when , like , when we all , like

40:52

any of us , when we go into something

40:54

, which okay , and

40:56

it's worse if you feel like , if you've

40:58

got a little bit of experience to give

41:00

you that sort of like , oh yeah , uh

41:02

, cockshawness , and I suffer from

41:05

it . Um , but

41:07

like , yeah , when you're like , when you

41:09

haven't truly sort of like gone that

41:11

distance , haven't really sort of pushed yourself

41:14

, or like , yeah , you

41:16

lived in a like I came

41:19

from a position when I did my

41:21

run , like from I think you

41:23

did as well where , came

41:26

from a comfortable position

41:28

and sort of like , oh , okay

41:31

, let me tell like I

41:33

didn't do those runs which , oh

41:35

, let me put on a couple

41:38

of extra miles which I would not normally

41:40

do . To like , oh , am I testing

41:42

myself ? Have I been tested

41:44

? So , when it came down to the day

41:46

, uh-uh , because

41:48

I did that lemon and spa

41:51

half marathon a year

41:53

after , like , and

41:55

it was like right , I was regularly

41:57

running on a basis of

41:59

13 miles , like more

42:01

, and like , yeah , crossed

42:05

the line , like , went through the run and everything

42:07

like this . Like , yeah , I think

42:09

I was maybe 10

42:12

minutes slower than I was that

42:15

previous year crossed the line

42:17

, walked

42:19

home under my own steam . Like

42:24

two days later

42:26

I was out for a 13 mile

42:28

run . So I was like , yeah , I

42:30

was perfectly fine . But that

42:33

was like , yes , I

42:36

sharpened my iron . You've got a T-shirt

42:38

which goes iron sharpen sign . Yeah , yeah

42:40

, t-shirt , yeah , but

42:43

yeah . But I tested myself

42:45

and I kept like yeah

42:47

, I kept me sure I was

42:49

conditioned to take on

42:51

the challenge again and succeed

42:54

. So yeah me .

42:56

Yeah .

42:57

If I didn't have that experience , that

42:59

sort of like yeah , even though I succeeded

43:02

, there was like I still like sort of

43:04

partly as a failure because

43:06

I was nowhere

43:08

near as fit as I thought I was

43:10

, yeah , I like . I think there's

43:13

, and there's still , things I look

43:15

at in my own life

43:17

. Where I go , I am not as

43:19

prepared or I am

43:21

not as conditioned as I should be for

43:24

whatever forthcoming challenge

43:26

it like sits on the horizon

43:28

which is most probably

43:30

going to at some point come down

43:33

and go hello . Today's

43:35

your test . Are you ready ?

43:37

You know , I've got one of those

43:39

coming up myself in April . I don't know that I'm

43:41

quite ready for it , but , to your point , I think that

43:44

we could have easily , in both those situations , been

43:47

like you know what , I'm not going back again

43:49

, I am done with this endeavor . You

43:52

know what ? I think it's a true test

43:54

of when you get your ass kicked like that

43:56

, that you get back up on the horse again with

43:59

a little bit more knowledge and you give

44:01

it another go , and

44:03

I think that's . I

44:05

think that's a spirit that

44:08

a lot of people don't have , but they need to have it and

44:11

, yeah , I think that's important

44:13

.

44:15

Yeah because , like this is the thing , yeah , if you don't have it

44:17

, because , look

44:19

, look , you

44:21

know it and

44:23

I think many of you listeners know it because

44:26

life will come back and test you and

44:28

test you , yes , and like , yeah , there

44:30

are times where we're ready for the

44:32

test and we can handle it no problem at all . And

44:34

there's times where , like , that test will come along

44:36

and you're like , okay , it'll put you to your

44:39

knee and like , put you both on both knees

44:42

, and that's when you need

44:45

to turn to like if you can't get up

44:49

by yourself , turn to like support of loved

44:51

ones to help you get up and keep going . But you've got

44:54

to get up .

44:55

There's a great quote that comes to mind I'd

44:57

rather be the warrior in the garden versus the gardener

45:00

in the war , and it just it really speaks

45:02

to just being prepared . You

45:05

know , just this is why I like to do uncomfortable

45:07

things , because

45:11

it prepares you for when life throws something at you and it makes you

45:14

more resilient because you do it in

45:16

a controlled environment . It's like getting

45:18

comfortable being uncomfortable , and

45:20

we , as humans , we're designed to do that , and

45:22

I think that the challenge is

45:24

that we're not going

45:26

to be comfortable , and I think that the challenge that we have is we're too comfortable

45:29

because

45:31

of all of the creature comforts that we have , and

45:35

it's an amazing blessing , but it's also a curse because

45:37

it's made so many people

45:39

too comfortable and they're miserable for it .

45:43

Yeah , well , like this is the thing , like

45:45

I think the human condition , how

45:49

like it , it's designed

45:51

to live in an environment where

45:53

it is constantly tested , which

45:55

is constantly on the

45:57

on the realm of go like , go

46:00

, go , go , go go . We have

46:02

, just over the course of time , because

46:05

we're smart , in the average

46:07

bear boo boo , yeah

46:11

, yeah , and like , which is like

46:13

giving us all of these

46:15

comforts today , like I

46:17

can sit on the other side of the

46:19

Atlantic talking to yourself

46:22

right now quite comfortably

46:24

in like a nice house

46:26

a house equipment , like

46:28

in front of me , and like

46:30

to have this conversation which let's

46:33

just say , let's not even

46:35

go , let's not even go extreme

46:37

, like 20 years ago this

46:40

would not be possible , you

46:42

know like ah yeah

46:45

, and it's all that long ago .

46:47

The thought of basically I mean essentially we have our own radio

46:49

show and we can do that with

46:51

it's like next

46:53

to nothing to do , that as far

46:55

as cost , it's just putting

46:57

in the time to do it that didn't exist when I was a kid

47:00

.

47:00

No , no , that's the thing , and

47:03

that's part of me which fakes it . Yeah , maybe

47:05

it was a good thing that didn't exist when I was a kid . What

47:07

kind of stupid things are it might have been

47:09

saying back then . You

47:12

remember what you said this , yeah

47:16

.

47:18

I thought about running for , you know , a political position

47:20

. I'm like man . If they

47:22

would have had footage back then , there's no way I could

47:25

even consider it .

47:27

Yeah , you know what I would say ? I would

47:30

agree with you about

47:32

five years ago . Now it

47:34

just seems like anything

47:36

goes . Yeah , I

47:39

was caught doing this .

47:41

That makes it stuff up and it sticks . So

47:43

it's yeah you

47:45

still can run .

47:46

Yeah , yeah , okay , so

47:48

yeah .

47:50

Let me ask you this why ? Why

47:52

do you run ? Why are you training for the London

47:55

Marathon ? Why do you subject

47:57

yourself to these things , this hard

47:59

thing , and you're always running at night ?

48:01

I see , well , like wow

48:04

, this is a thing . Reason why okay , One

48:08

reason why I run at night well , more

48:10

early in the morning is , yes , it's

48:13

the small , it's the sort of small window

48:15

of time where , okay , with

48:17

like it's quiet , it's like

48:20

it's easier to do , Don't have to negotiate

48:23

traffic , but more

48:26

so now with a

48:28

young , like young toddler

48:30

in the mix , Now

48:32

it's the only sort of time I can get

48:34

in a decent length run in

48:36

the day . I've got to make it happen one

48:39

way or the other . Some

48:41

people like , oh , but you got to optimize

48:43

sleep and now you got to do this

48:45

. Yeah , Whatever . No

48:48

, that that ain't going to fly . If

48:50

that baby like , when

48:53

my baby girl is awake , I can take

48:55

it for some runs , but I

48:57

can't do it all the time because , like

48:59

, depending on what you're doing , like , depending on what

49:01

her mood of temperament is at the time

49:03

, it

49:06

can go well or it can

49:08

go not that well . And

49:10

like , yeah , being like , when someone's

49:12

like you're going to go into a push chair

49:14

for X amount of time and

49:17

be pushed around while running

49:19

, it's like that doesn't sound like fun

49:22

to me . No , so

49:24

there's that . But with regards

49:27

to why I run , there

49:29

is like . It's also

49:31

another element . There is a cent

49:34

. Well , I have a little bit

49:36

more control over that

49:38

than anything else in

49:40

a lot of aspects of my day

49:43

to day life because it's like

49:45

, right , like when

49:47

it comes to work , I

49:49

have to do X , Y and Z for

49:51

work to make sure X , Y it

49:53

might not necessarily be things I

49:55

want to do , I want to do , but when

49:57

I'm running I have control of that . If

50:02

things are a little bit chaotic at home

50:04

with a toddler and normally

50:07

the path of the course , there's

50:11

many things which I don't have

50:13

control over . So when

50:15

I run , I have control over that

50:17

and I think there is people

50:20

like what ? So it's some type of coping mechanism

50:22

, isn't it ? In some regards there

50:24

is that . But I think

50:26

there is an element . Everyone

50:29

needs to have some type of element where

50:31

they can go . I control this

50:33

part of my life completely

50:36

. I can choose to run , I

50:39

can choose not to run , but

50:41

I have control over that and

50:43

that's one of the things what helps keep

50:46

things together . Because people go meditate

50:49

. I can't sit down and go

50:51

. No , it's not me , Not

50:54

me at all . I would say my

50:56

meditation and getting my thoughts

50:58

clear come with running . And

51:02

, yeah , people can say that's

51:04

not healthy , but no , it

51:06

is healthy for me . I

51:09

have that element of control . Other

51:11

people who don't have that . How's

51:14

your life going , buddy ? How ? You

51:17

know what I mean . I think there

51:19

are people which you don't have that

51:22

thing in their life and they feel

51:24

the effects of it on a regular basis

51:26

.

51:28

I was in a group run yesterday . We were running out on the

51:30

trails and we were talking about I

51:33

think I asked something about can you run on the trail out

51:35

here after dark ? And they're like , well , the cops , they

51:38

won't mess with you too much . And one time a cop

51:40

did mess with us and said we

51:42

couldn't run after dark . And I'm like

51:44

you know what ? We're just out here running

51:47

in the park . What difference does it make ? They've got real

51:49

crime to deal with . I'm like I run so I don't become

51:51

a criminal , right , so

51:54

leave me alone . I run so I

51:56

don't throw punch people , and

51:58

so just leave me alone .

51:59

Yeah , Like

52:01

this is the thing , like this is the thing

52:03

with running in the states , where

52:06

you have this extra

52:08

X factor , depending

52:10

where you are in the states , just

52:13

like I'm like look

52:15

, let's just say states , depending

52:17

where you are in America . Like you're

52:20

running along , running along , what

52:23

does that rustle in the trees ? Especially

52:25

if you're running on the trail ? It's like

52:28

, hey , buddy , hello

52:31

, who are you ? I'm

52:33

Mr Coyote , and here's some guys

52:35

with more friends . Or hello

52:37

, I'm Mr Wolf , and here's like , yeah

52:40

, my friendly pack . Or

52:42

I'm Mr Grizzly Bear or Brown

52:44

Bear . Hi , how are you doing ? It's

52:47

like there's that factor

52:49

I always think of in the

52:51

states .

52:52

It's like , yeah , do you have anything like

52:54

that in the UK that you have to worry about ?

52:56

No , no , put it this way Like

52:58

or like we might have . Like where

53:00

I run , I might see an urban crack

53:03

fox . Yeah , just like

53:05

, just yeah . Plus , I looked over

53:07

, I've like foxes . They

53:09

either run away , they're doing

53:11

their fit like foxy life or

53:14

they sit down and watch you like

53:16

you're a TV show for their amusement

53:18

, but that's about it . Yeah

53:20

, but no bears , no

53:23

wolves , no coyotes , no

53:25

snakes which you might accidentally step

53:27

on , none of that . So

53:29

yeah , yeah , put it this way . Wait

53:32

, I think the only time , I

53:34

think , when I was in America , in

53:37

Virginia , they had like , yeah , copperhead

53:39

snakes .

53:40

Yeah , copperheads , yeah , they're pretty rampant

53:42

out here where I'm at .

53:44

OK , yeah .

53:44

They'll be out on the trail . They'll be out there on the trail sunning

53:46

themselves . Yeah

53:49

, so it's worse down when you get down . Like Florida , you got like gators

53:52

to deal with . I mean there's runners out there . They get bit

53:54

by gators . It's crazy .

53:56

No , but like oh , there was that story about

53:58

the gator in Disney

54:01

. Like Disney World . Yeah , Just like

54:03

, took a kid . Yeah , yeah , that's right . Yeah , it's

54:06

like what You're like

54:08

and this is well

54:10

, it's well , it's one , it's Florida . It's

54:14

like yeah , just gator

54:16

just takes a kid . Yeah , that's the

54:18

way why we carry guns . Yeah

54:22

, like , this is the thing , Even

54:25

though I come from a land where guns

54:27

are not the common thing , like if I was running

54:29

out on the trails and whatnot in

54:31

the States , I would most want to be like give

54:34

me a gun , just not

54:36

for other people , just for some of the wildlife

54:38

which we're critters .

54:42

I've seen some crazy stuff out running and you

54:45

know more so probably riding my bike , because you're moving

54:47

at a much faster pace and you're a lot quieter . I've

54:50

never ran a course of animals like bobcats

54:52

and stuff like that . I

54:54

had a friend that was hit by a deer . He

54:57

was riding a bike and got hit by a deer and

55:00

his collarbone . So

55:02

yeah

55:04

, people are the biggest threat , really . Americans

55:11

on TikTok .

55:14

No , well , like this is a thing . There

55:17

was that TikTok where someone's

55:20

in Yellowstone and

55:22

they're next to a bison and I

55:24

go oh yeah , it's like a bison In

55:27

history it's

55:30

not . It's . It's short sighted

55:32

, it's . I

55:34

don't even know how much they weigh , but

55:37

it's like the second biggest

55:39

thing in the United , like

55:41

in the northern part .

55:42

I weigh as much as a lorry . I don't know how much a lorry

55:44

weighs , but probably like that .

55:47

The only thing which is bigger than a bison

55:49

is a moose , and

55:51

that's about it .

55:53

Yeah , moose , regressive bison

55:55

are not very smart , but yeah , that video

55:57

didn't , she got attacked , right , yeah , yeah

55:59

, yeah . So it was like oh my God

56:01

, and it was surprised by it , like

56:04

just animals doing what animals do .

56:06

Yeah , it's like oh , let

56:08

me do a selfie with a bit . No , it's a

56:10

bear , Leave it alone

56:13

. Like do the do the smart thing

56:15

Get in your car and

56:17

go or run away . Make

56:21

sure you're not the slowest person .

56:23

Yes yes , that's why you got

56:25

to train hard , so you cannot run your friends

56:28

in the moment of

56:30

crisis like that .

56:31

Yeah , it's like Duncan

56:34

. Yeah , when was the last

56:36

time you ran in five miles ? Been

56:39

some time not be overweight ? Ok

56:42

, that's all good , duncan

56:44

, I'll just tell your family I love you .

56:46

Always run with your slower friends .

56:48

Yes , your

56:50

survival might depend on it . My friend , you must

56:53

have a high profile . Depend on it .

56:54

Well , we're almost in an hour . I know you got a hard stop

56:56

coming up . What are your final

56:58

thoughts ? Anything else you want to talk about before we call it a day

57:01

? It's a great conversation .

57:02

Now , yeah , with regards to

57:04

the final thoughts , it's one of those

57:07

things where there

57:09

are times where , like in

57:13

life , where we go through the hardest

57:15

times and like , look , there are

57:17

people like , oh , yeah , got

57:19

to remember we are stronger than

57:22

we ever

57:24

can believe . We can endure a

57:26

lot more than like

57:28

, yeah , well , life throws at us . And

57:31

, yeah , many of the times we're told

57:33

we're not , many of the times we're told

57:36

we're not enough , many of the times we're

57:38

sold , like , on

57:40

this whole thing , that , yeah , weakness

57:43

is a good thing , like

57:48

the strength we all have a lot more strength

57:50

than we ever can believe , and

57:54

that is the strength to stand alone , that is

57:56

the strength to face the storm , that

57:58

is the strength to turn and ask

58:00

for help , and that

58:03

lives within us . So

58:05

you know what I mean . People need to remember

58:07

that and , yeah , tap

58:09

into it when they can .

58:12

Absolutely , I 100% agree

58:14

, and that would be probably a great way

58:17

to finish up the show . You're stronger

58:19

than you could ever imagine

58:21

. Need to tap into that and

58:23

sharpen the saw . Mee-woo , how can

58:25

people get in contact with you ?

58:28

They can find me online like

58:30

this is the thing . Yeah , the

58:33

Day in , day out podcast would

58:35

be the main way they can find

58:37

me . If they want to track me

58:39

down , I am on Instagram

58:42

and everything like that . So , yeah , links

58:45

and everything like that . I will be sending Jays

58:48

way to like yeah

58:50

, find me out there .

58:51

We'll put them in the show notes for sure

58:54

. So , mee-woo , I appreciate

58:56

your time today . Great , excellent conversation

58:58

. Glad we finally were able to connect

59:01

and I know when I was

59:03

on your podcast check out the podcast episode that

59:05

I was on on the

59:07

Day in , day out podcast we had a great conversation

59:09

.

59:10

Yes and look , I look forward to

59:12

getting you back on the podcast . I look forward

59:14

to like your hair maybe returning

59:16

on the podcast one day , yeah

59:18

absolutely , we'll do that

59:20

.

59:20

And one day maybe , who knows , we'll run

59:22

the London Marathon together . We'll find a race together , maybe

59:25

come stateside , we'll figure that out .

59:27

I look forward to it and like , yes , if

59:30

I'm over in the States running with you , I

59:32

just like , yeah , I will have to find

59:34

. Like just like , no , don't

59:36

let your group know , but yeah , we'll

59:38

find someone slow , just in case , just

59:41

in case We'll find

59:43

someone slower than you .

59:44

Well , I'll make sure you get here . Oh yeah

59:46

, we got you covered .

59:49

Thank you , chair . Thank you . So

59:52

yeah , we shall see , yeah , we'll

59:55

appreciate your time .

59:55

Mee-woo For everyone else out there . Keep doing

59:57

hard things . We'll see you all in the next

1:00:00

episode .