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Hello, and welcome back to do your part. I

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am your host, Angelique Fisk, and I'm the Lifestyle

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editor of Patriots dot Com. Today

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we have a great episode for you. Brandon

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Copeland joins me for an excellent conversation.

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And while Brandon Copeland might be new to New England,

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his impact has already been felt in many

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ways. So Brandon graduated

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from the University of Pennsylvania and has since

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gone back and is a professor

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at the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy

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League school, teaching a financial

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literacy course called Life one O one. In

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twenty nineteen, Brandon was awarded

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the nflpa Alan Paige Community

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Award Winner, and this is a huge deal

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in the league. It goes to a player who

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goes above and beyond to perform community

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service for his hometown and for his home

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team city. On top of that, Brandon

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runs two real estate companies, offers

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financial literacy advice to those who need

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it in his spare time, and he and his wife

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were on the Beyond the Basics Foundation, which

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aims to empower kids through experiences,

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and honestly, this work has knock gone unnoticed.

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There's a huge announcement earlier this week

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that Brandon Copeland made the Forbes

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thirty Under thirty Sports List, which is

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just incredible. So we will get into all

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of that in our conversation. So here

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is Brandon Copeland. Brandon, how are you doing. I'm

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doing well. I'm doing well. Are you doing I'm

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doing all right. I can't complain. So,

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you know, there were some big news in your world

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and the Patriots world that came

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through recently. You were an

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honoree on the twenty one Forbes

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thirty Under thirty Sports List, which, first

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of all, congratulations, that is just absolutely

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incredible. Thank you appreciate

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it. So what was your reaction when you found out

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that you made the cut. It's

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funny, I think,

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like a lot of different things in my life, when I

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found out I was in I

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was preoccupied with doing something else

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or doing the next things. So it

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was very, very exciting, very humbling. I

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think I was actually in the middle of a haircut because I

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had a speaking engagement, um maybe

2:08

an hour afterwards. So it was

2:10

pretty cool, pretty exciting and then it was kind

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of like, let's move on and get prepared for the speaking

2:15

engagement. But um got the

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chance to thank my wife and and thank

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my brother who've been monumental

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in helping me make those things

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happen, and also, you know, thank

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a lot of people who've meant a lot of special

2:29

things to me in my life, because clearly,

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with something like that, it's it's not it's

2:34

not nothing that I've done specifically,

2:37

I'm only able to do many

2:40

different things well because of

2:42

the people around me and the interactions

2:44

I've had. So you know, people are

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seeing the finished product, but they're not

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seeing the young boy from Baltimore who was

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you know, rough around edges. What

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doesn't honor like that mean to you

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and to your circle because obviously, like you said,

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you know, you weren't. You didn't come out of the wood like

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this like you had. It took a long way to get to

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where you are right now, so too, and you never

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stopped like you you were constantly doing things.

3:07

I mean, you've only been here, you know, less than

3:09

a year, and we have already had several conversations

3:11

about what you're doing off the field. So what

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does something like this mean to you to be recognized

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in this way. Yeah, I think it's it's

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very very humbling, and it's very very

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cool because you look at the list and it's

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something that I think you grow up and you see

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something like that and it's like, wow, that'd be pretty

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cool to be a part of. I

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think for me, I'm also I

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guess realistic enough

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to understand that it's

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not everything right, So it's

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very very humbling. Don't want to disrespect it,

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but now it's for me it's like, actually

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one of the lessons I learned in patriot

3:47

Land. You know, I'm one of

3:49

my first conversations with Julian

3:51

Edelman. I actually was hearing him and Stefan

3:54

Gilmore have a conversation and they

3:56

were joking back and forth and somebody, you know, Stefan

3:58

said, hey, man, you were the Super Bowl MVP, Like,

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what does that feel like? And he said, hey,

4:03

no, one cares now, right, So for

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me, it's about waking up the day and going

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out and attacking the day. It definitely

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feels good, it's

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a proud feeling, but it's ultimately who

4:14

cares, Right, Let's go make something

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happen today. Something that you say a lot

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that I really love and that is kind of like the thesis

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of this whole podcast is athlete

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and like you're an athlete And I

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guess first, where did that start? Oh? Yeah,

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so shout out to Dior

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with the our Players Association

4:33

with the NFLPA, he came up

4:35

with this mantra. You know, it

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stems from just like you said, there's so

4:39

many people you you get

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it right, there's

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so many people who look at us and what we do

4:46

on Sundays and they think that's it.

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You know, however, you know, these are

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just football for a lot

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of us. Are our means to an end. It's

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it's an opportunity to have a platform

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to affect change in our community these and in

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our in our households, right, it's

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an opportunity to change the wealth

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in our our that our last names

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have had for a long period of time.

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So u So yeah, that's

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where it started. That's where it began. And a

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lot of people are embodying that athlete

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and that more than an athlete

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mantra, because

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you know, it's it's just a modern day athlete. You see

5:24

some of the greatest of all times. You see guys like Lebron

5:26

James and you can't just pin him

5:28

down to one of the greatest basketball

5:30

players of all time. You also have to put

5:33

him in you know, he's a producer, he's

5:35

you know, he's an actor, he's a

5:38

philanthropist. I mean, the man started a school.

5:40

He's a social justice

5:42

activists. Right. He helped people

5:45

get out there and vote this year. So you

5:47

know, if he can

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do it and still be win an NBA

5:52

championship, then it it

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gives us all encouragement

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that hey, we can do it as well and still

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be great because I think for a long period

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of time, my grandfather played in the NFL for

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eleven years, a long period of time. You

6:06

know, people told

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you that you have to focus on

6:11

one thing, right, you can only be good

6:13

at one thing at a time. You have to focus on one thing

6:15

at a time. And I

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don't think that that's the case any longer.

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I think people, men

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and women, all athletes are understanding

6:25

that, you know, I have other passions outside

6:27

of the sport. It's okay for me to

6:29

execute on him. You know, your grandfather

6:31

played in a different era like where

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you know, maybe the things

6:36

that you're doing he might not have been able to do in

6:38

his spare time, because he was kind of put in

6:40

in a box. So what did you learn from him

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in his career and you know how

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you wanted to shape your career

6:47

and what you did with your platform as an NFL

6:49

player moving forward. Yeah, I think

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for I took

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a number of life lessons

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from our grandfather that

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have carried with me through this

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day. That

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awards you were talking about yesterday, that's one of those

7:07

things where it's like those are the things, the moments

7:09

that make me know, like, Okay, I'm on the

7:11

right path. Like I know, he would be extremely happy.

7:13

He'd probably be more excited for me than I, you

7:15

know, than I am in the moment. From

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a football standpoint, I think some of

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the biggest things he always preached

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to me or made sure I was aware

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of, was to

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take different opportunities

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that come to you, and

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even if you're not ready for it, even if you don't

7:37

know how to actually execute a

7:39

pull them off, say yes. And

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I remember walking with him through the

7:44

University of Pennsylvania's campus one day.

7:48

I can't remember what year I was, maybe

7:50

a junior, but he would just always

7:52

say, you know, man, I remember when I was in

7:55

league, somebody asked me to broadcast,

7:58

and I told him no. I

8:00

can't tell you why I told them no, But I always

8:02

look back and I'm thinking, like I'm looking at some

8:04

people, and I'm like, I did not say

8:06

yes, like that would be pretty cool to do, you

8:09

know. He was like, I was young and dumb. I was probably you

8:11

know, having a good time or had other things

8:13

on my mind, but say yes,

8:15

like go out there and why

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not? So, you know, I think that's

8:20

why, you see when

8:22

people ask the different things that I do, why

8:24

I'm doing so many different things, you know, sometimes

8:27

to a detriment potentially, right, I

8:30

think that I I, you know, I really took that

8:32

that lesson from him to heart. I

8:35

also think that, you know, I understand that the

8:37

life after football is

8:39

totally different for some of us, right

8:42

Some of us are able to come in here and create enough

8:46

star power or wild factor

8:48

that it carries with them for the rest of their

8:50

lives. Most of us aren't.

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So for me, I understand

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it. Right now, I have a tremendous

8:57

amount of power in my platform,

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and although

9:04

I hope to still have

9:06

influence when I'm a former player,

9:08

I don't know what that life in that world

9:11

is actually life I don't know

9:13

if children will perk

9:16

up when I walk into a classroom

9:19

as a former NFL player compared

9:23

to the current linebacker

9:25

for the New England Patriots, you know, And

9:27

so that unknown alone

9:30

is what drives me to maximize this

9:32

moment. I think a lot of people rely

9:36

on, oh, it'll be okay, I'll make it happen

9:39

then. And there's been a few

9:41

different things that I've encountered

9:43

in my life that have told me, hey, like, you

9:46

can't wait until tomorrow to do this,

9:48

because it just isn't the same. And I think

9:50

something too that I've realized since I've started, you know,

9:52

working like and talking to NFL players,

9:55

is how structured the day to day is

9:57

when you're in season and when you when you were

9:59

you know, your career, and that drop

10:02

off when you if you retire and you don't have that

10:04

structure that I mean, that's hard for any human being to

10:06

adjust to. I mean, you see it with you know, high

10:08

school kids that go into college where you

10:10

kind of have more freedom. So I think there's a lot

10:12

of there's a lot of pressure there to kind

10:15

of figure things out and you're further

10:17

along in your life, and sometimes you can I imagine

10:19

you would feel lost. Yeah.

10:21

Yeah, people have spoke about athletes

10:23

having two deaths. Right. You have

10:26

that death when you in your career your

10:28

sport for the first time, and then you

10:30

have your real, actual death that we all

10:32

experience. I believe that I

10:34

am working hard to

10:37

understand and feel like I have

10:40

different opportunities to provide

10:42

for myself and my family post

10:44

football. However, I still know

10:47

that there's no hiding or running

10:49

from that death. You know, I've

10:51

had the game taken away from me multiple times.

10:53

Right now, I'm or with the torn peck,

10:55

So every time I turned TV on on Sundays

10:58

or Monday night or Thursday night, it

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hurts me. So there's no avoiding

11:02

that, and I think that that's sometimes

11:05

what deters

11:07

certain athletes from trying

11:09

to step outside of their comfort zone. I

11:11

can't get rid of that death. However, I can

11:13

still make sure that I'm confident when I

11:15

go when I'm done football to

11:19

again provide for my family and I right

11:21

or to be able to do something that

11:23

I'm passionate about a lot of us.

11:28

When you're in college and you're playing football,

11:30

most colleges you're not. You don't have the time to

11:32

take an internship. Fortunately

11:35

or unfortunately, you know, I did. I go into

11:38

a school that where football wasn't necessarily

11:40

emphasis. I had the opportunity. Part

11:43

of things. Part of figuring out what you want

11:45

to do in life is figuring out what you don't want to

11:47

do. So for me, I'm maximizing

11:49

this time as well, and I encourage

11:52

other players and other people to do so

11:54

because when you are taking on a bunch of these

11:56

things, I've been able to figure

11:58

out I like this, but I don't

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like it this way, so let

12:03

me do it like this or I like that, I don't like this

12:05

at all. Right, Um, so

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fill in the blank for me. You know, Brandon Copeland

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is an athlete and blank.

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Oh that's a

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that's true athlete. And

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I mean it would be multiple

12:21

right, I think for me athlete and husband,

12:23

athlete and father, athlete and entrepreneur,

12:26

athlete and philanthropists and athlete

12:28

and professor, athlete in

12:30

investor, athlete in you

12:33

know, leader. Um, it

12:36

would literally be multiple things.

12:38

And that's I think that's what I'm proud of

12:41

is you know, you can't really

12:43

describe me in

12:46

one thing because

12:48

I'm in one word. Because again

12:51

I'm just a guy. I'm

12:54

just executing doing anything I'm interested

12:56

in, which is pretty fun for me. And

12:58

that's kind of like the ultimate goal. I mean, you can't be

13:00

boiled down to a single word, because how

13:02

boring would that be if you could just be a one

13:05

dimensional word and that's it. Yeah,

13:07

no, And it's

13:09

not for everybody, you know, I do admit that,

13:12

you know. Sometimes, you

13:14

know, I think about

13:17

what if I did focus on one

13:19

thing and one thing only,

13:22

and how great could

13:24

I be at that? And

13:26

I also think I'd be bored. You

13:29

know. My mind just doesn't work that way, right,

13:31

Like, I can't. I can't. I'm

13:33

the guy that wakes up in the middle of night thinking of a

13:35

business idea or thinking of a way to make

13:38

some something that is

13:40

going on in my business make it

13:42

work, or why it won't work, right,

13:44

Like it just I can't turn my brain off.

13:46

I think I spent of the first well

13:50

during my NFL career. When I came back

13:53

into the league, my first couple of years, I tried

13:55

to turn to foster on and just

13:57

be doing a lot of things. I got back into the

13:59

league, um, and

14:02

then it was like, let's fine tune, let's narrow

14:04

the focus and then by

14:08

doing that it

14:10

got me got my foot back in the door,

14:13

and I've executed well ever since.

14:15

But I realized, like it is harder

14:17

for me to turn the faucet off, right,

14:20

Like I get more anxious doing

14:22

that, trying to tell my brain not to think and to

14:25

sit still, and you know, then just

14:28

enjoying it, just answering the emails

14:31

and and finding

14:34

houses to flip and creating

14:37

lecture slides. Like it sounds weird,

14:39

but I just enjoy it. And

14:41

you know, you talked about lecture slides there, and that

14:43

transitions nicely to Um. You know, I

14:45

want to ask you about you know, you teach a course

14:48

called Life on OH one. It's a financial literacy

14:50

course. Um, And I kind of wanted

14:52

to ask you what the aha moment was

14:54

for you when you realized that a

14:56

course like this was necessary because

14:58

it's something it covers a lot of things that people

15:01

just don't know and that you are going to have

15:03

to know. So what kind of clicked and fell into place

15:05

when you were putting this class together? Yeah,

15:08

one, first and foremost shout out to UPN

15:10

And let's let's say

15:13

a prayer for Brown and Harvard

15:15

since we used to whoop up on them when

15:17

I was in college.

15:22

Yeah. So for me, I remember

15:26

when we bought this house

15:29

that I'm in right now. I

15:32

remember my wife calling me,

15:34

who was my Beyonce

15:37

that my girlfriend at the time. I remember her

15:39

calling me. I was in season in

15:41

Detroit. I flew back on the bye

15:43

week. We checked out the house. We loved it. Okay,

15:45

cool, let's buy it. And then I remember

15:47

her calling me to close and we had the FaceTime

15:50

and she said, hey, is everything looked right

15:52

in this contract? And she had sent

15:54

me the forty page stock you know, the realtors

15:56

have sent me all those things. And I'm like,

15:58

I don't I don't know. I mean, this is my first

16:00

time seeing this. Like I you

16:03

know, I hope it's right, you know, Ultimately, I hope

16:05

the realtor would tell us if something was wrong.

16:07

But I don't know if we're paying a little too much for

16:10

this here or this insurance or

16:12

this ded I don't know

16:14

if any of this language makes sense. And

16:17

ultimately, the realtors incentivized to get

16:19

this sale done so that they get their check.

16:22

So for me, I'm like, this is a

16:24

major life purchase and

16:26

I've went through. I went to some of the best schools

16:28

in the nation, from high school to college,

16:31

and I have no idea

16:33

if this is right, if what I'm

16:36

doing is correct or not, and that's wrong, that's

16:38

backwards, right, Like you taught

16:40

me the tangent of a forty five degree angle,

16:43

but you didn't teach me about my credit.

16:45

You didn't teach me how to budget. You didn't really

16:47

teach me how to invest

16:49

long term and and

16:53

invest in myself. So though that

16:55

for me was just like something has

16:57

to be done about it. I

17:00

had the idea for the class, and you

17:02

know, we were able to go through,

17:04

get syllabus, get all those types of things

17:07

done, the logistical stuff done, and

17:10

you know, it was at a point where someone

17:13

else could teach the material or

17:17

or I could go and do it myself. And I thought

17:19

it was really important that I did it, not

17:21

because I wanted to become a teacher or an educator

17:24

at all, but because the

17:27

delivery is everything. Right.

17:29

Making some of these topics conversational

17:32

is the most important thing

17:34

to change the human

17:37

psyche around it and

17:39

opening up and pulling back those layers

17:41

so that now my students

17:43

are comfortable talking about money

17:46

comfortable talking about not just

17:48

investments, but insurance and their

17:51

student loans, because they understand

17:53

that if you're comfortable having these conversations

17:55

with people, then that will help

17:58

you figure out what is for

18:00

them, what hasn't worked for them. When

18:02

you are able to have these conversations, then you're

18:04

able to learn and grow. I've

18:07

always given the example that

18:09

I'm, you know, in a neighborhood right now. Let's

18:12

say that there's two hundred

18:14

families in this neighborhood. Let's just throw out a number.

18:18

A hundred of us are probably making the same

18:20

financial mistake right now, and

18:22

it's a simple one, easy to

18:24

correct, easy to fix, but because none

18:26

of us are willing to talk about it, we're

18:29

all going to continuously make that same mistake.

18:31

My class is trying to prevent

18:33

that, and I think you know something you touched

18:36

on there. There's so much shame involved with

18:38

money, whether you know, it's not knowing

18:40

or being ashamed at how much is in your bank account

18:42

or how much isn't in your bank account, and

18:45

it can cause people to kind of shut down. I

18:47

mean, like there have been times where I look at open

18:49

I'm like looking through one eye, looking at

18:51

my checking account, being like, can what's

18:53

the situation? What am I walking into here? And

18:55

I think something I appreciate about this

18:58

that what you do is that you don't harper

19:00

this information. You aren't like using it

19:02

strictly for for your students. You sprinkle

19:04

it everywhere. You are talking about it all the

19:07

time, you were talking to nonprofits, you're you're doing

19:09

hits on Good Morning America. So why

19:11

is it important for you to kind of be like yell

19:13

at from the rooftops like these are the things that

19:15

you need to be doing. Yeah,

19:17

it's it's for me. It's

19:19

trying to help change the wealth gap. It's

19:21

just trying to give everyone an even play and field

19:23

and access the information. Um. I

19:26

think that none of this stuff is rocket science,

19:29

you know, and unfortunately it's

19:31

just um you know, I'd

19:33

rather my mother, who

19:36

was a single mom working hard for two

19:40

husky boys. You know, we're eating her out of

19:42

house and home. I'd rather you have told her

19:44

how to better invest her

19:46

for one k, right, so now

19:48

she's in a better place for retirement. So that's

19:50

my goal. My goal is to get this information

19:52

to everyone, to my mother. She's

19:56

very young and beautiful mom. If you're listening. You're

19:58

young and beautiful, but a younger version of herself,

20:01

right, older version of herself, It

20:03

doesn't matter. My goal is to give people the

20:05

information so that they can do with

20:08

it whatever they would like. With

20:10

that being said, we're actually going to be is actually

20:12

we're going to be offering

20:15

the class to everyone

20:18

this offseason. It will definitely be a

20:21

subscription based model. We're

20:24

coming up with an e course and everything like that,

20:26

but we're going to offer it to everyone.

20:28

We will have some things that are free content

20:30

for anyone, just so that they can have information

20:33

as well. But if you want that next level step

20:35

of learning, then you know

20:38

we're gonna Professor Cope is going to

20:40

be there for you. So I'm excited about

20:42

that as well. That's awesome.

20:45

You know, you've been in New England for like a hot second and

20:47

you dove straight into the community.

20:49

You when you know, COVID was you know,

20:51

first hit. You were buying groceries for families in

20:53

need and healthcare workers in New England and in Baltimore,

20:57

so and I thought that was really cool. And then before you even

20:59

got here, you you leverage

21:01

your NFL network. It's like you have LinkedIn

21:04

for the NFL. You're calling up old teammates,

21:06

and you host an event every year called December to

21:08

Remember, and you basically have your former

21:10

teammates host shopping events

21:13

in their own cities, their own NFL cities.

21:15

And there was an event down the street

21:17

from Foxborough that Jason mccordy,

21:19

who was our teammate in Tennessee, and Kyle van Noy,

21:21

who was a teammate with the Lions, hosted.

21:23

So you are already making an impact before you even

21:25

showed up here. So I wanted to ask you

21:27

why beyond the basics was something so important

21:30

for you, and then wanted to give you a chance to tell us

21:32

about the upcoming December to Remember. Awesome,

21:34

Thank you. So Beyond

21:37

the Basics is Tailor

21:40

and Eyes. Our

21:43

nonprofit organization is our baby,

21:45

so it's to be our first child. We

21:48

really understood that. Again,

21:51

we're nothing special, right,

21:54

We work very hard,

21:57

we're ambitious, but we've just been

21:59

fortunate enough to have people in our lives

22:01

who've kind of directed us to show

22:03

us, Hey, you can put your hard work to

22:05

use and do that, or you can put your hard work

22:07

to use and work here, or those things.

22:10

A lot of children have that

22:12

same ambition, same work ethic. However,

22:15

no one to tell them, hey

22:17

do this, no one who can be their

22:19

grandfather to say hey, take

22:22

on these opportunities, try it right.

22:24

So we want to do that for youth

22:26

and so for us that is where beyond

22:28

the basics begin. We do

22:30

an execute different events throughout the year,

22:33

and one of which being at December

22:35

to remember shopping

22:37

spree. And for us, I think another

22:40

huge thing we try to emphasize is

22:43

collaboration and through collaboration

22:45

we can do more. Because

22:49

a lot of people were helping would come from

22:51

communities that you know, we

22:54

don't trust a lot,

22:57

and so for us, it's trying to break

23:00

down some of those barriers so that people realize,

23:02

okay, hey if I reach outside of my comfort zone,

23:05

maybe I can do more and help people

23:07

together. We're using ourselves as an example. So

23:10

yes, like you said, we were able to to to

23:12

affect New England last year,

23:14

which was awesome, but only you

23:17

know, as a result of Kyle

23:19

and d mac and j Mack

23:21

and you know, the guys who made it happen,

23:24

which is you know, we appreciate them. And then this

23:26

year we actually are are

23:28

leveling up a bit. So this

23:32

year as a result, we are going

23:34

to be able to do as

23:37

a result of the success of last year, people

23:39

understanding what we're all about. Um,

23:42

we're going to be able to do one hundred

23:44

and sixty thousand dollars in total

23:46

support across the nation.

23:49

That looks like thirty two

23:52

in the New England area. And

23:55

we're excited and that's going to be each guise,

23:58

Jason mccordy, Devin mccordy, and myself

24:00

pitching in to help make that happen. This year,

24:03

we're taking on a different model of course, with virtual

24:05

everything's gonna be virtual. Who had Amazon

24:08

supporters as well. We're going to do Amazon gift

24:10

cards and we're

24:12

extremely excited about it. But we're going to adopt

24:14

families this year. So we're

24:16

extremely excited to continue to have an

24:19

impact in the community. But again I think the

24:22

emphasis is, you know, by

24:25

us doing it together now we're able

24:27

to, like you said, jamac and d

24:29

Mack and Dietrich are also having an

24:31

impact in San Francisco this

24:34

year, in Tampa Bay, in Tennessee and Pittsburgh,

24:36

you know, and that's I think the coolest thing

24:38

in the world. For us as players is to

24:40

be able to help people we've never even met before.

24:43

That's incredible and that's I mean, that's a huge

24:45

reach. You're spanning like coast to coast. That's just

24:47

incredible. When people talk about

24:49

Brandon Copeland, you know, years and years on. What

24:52

do you hope your legacy is? I

24:56

hope to be I hope to be

24:58

an example of how

25:01

to give everything

25:04

to everything I do right. So,

25:07

first and foremost hope that you know,

25:10

my wife and my son now, but hopefully

25:12

children are just like you know, extremely

25:15

proud that I was their

25:18

father and husband. But

25:20

beyond that, I hope that everyone I interact

25:23

with, even if it is for a

25:26

small moment, understand how genuine

25:28

I am and how how

25:33

something I'm doing. They're able

25:35

to take some type of inspiration

25:38

from it. You know, Um, I

25:40

think that that's It's not that the goal

25:42

is to be an inspiration or to be a leader,

25:45

to be an example, but you know, I do realize

25:48

that because I'm doing so much

25:50

a lot of the times, you

25:53

know, I'm not

25:55

able to sit and reflect on the moments

25:58

of things. And

26:00

so I hope that when it's

26:02

all said and done, people are

26:04

just like, oh wow, Like I

26:06

see why, and I think that, you know, awards

26:09

like the thirty under thirty, that

26:12

Recognition Alan Page Award last

26:14

year. Those awards help

26:18

me feel comfortable in the fact that I

26:21

am doing it my way,

26:24

in the right way because

26:27

people I don't even know reach out

26:29

and are congratulating

26:32

me, you know, And and that is the thing

26:34

that makes me feel proud of Like what

26:36

I'm doing is more meaningful than just to

26:39

me. It's not just to help myself, and

26:41

I think that's, you know, be doing something

26:43

beyond yourself. It's like, I mean, that's what

26:46

more could you want? And what more could you want

26:48

to spread? Well, Brandon, thank you so

26:50

much for being here. I really appreciate you taking the time.

26:52

You know, you have a very busy schedule, so

26:55

I appreciate you making time for this conversation.

26:57

So thank you so much. Yeah,

27:00

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