2:10

Tonight's guest

2:14

is Chadwick

2:18

C I thank you, Vic.

2:28

Oh you're welcome, thanks for your time.

2:38

Chad please give us a brief file on

2:40

yourself. Well

2:44

there's basically two versions of me. There's

2:46

the Christian Metal version

2:49

of me that has

2:52

like seen some

2:54

pretty dark moments and then there's the

2:56

Girls Generation K-pop version of me

2:59

who's seen some pretty light moments

3:02

and I say those two

3:04

things because I'm really into music and

3:06

music has kind of shaped who I am and

3:10

that started from military

3:12

school actually and in

3:14

military school I talk about military

3:17

school because I can

3:19

wake up very quickly. I

3:21

definitely have some training that

3:24

if there's noise that I need

3:27

to be informed of while I'm

3:29

asleep I can snap

3:31

out of whatever crazy

3:34

dream world I'm in and get

3:37

in this reality and appear in

3:39

this reality very quickly. That's

3:42

just something that I've been able to do for

3:44

a while.

3:46

I have

3:47

always been interested in the supernatural

3:49

and I've always kind

3:52

of pushed it a little bit too far in

3:55

my supernatural seeking. Like

3:58

I said I listen to Christian Metal. a lot, so I

4:01

like to test

4:04

the spirit, so to speak, to

4:07

where, like, if

4:09

somebody tells me that

4:12

like something scary

4:14

or demonic is happening,

4:17

I know that God's on my side

4:20

and that

4:21

whatever

4:23

frightening things I see, He'll

4:26

be able to use for His glory. And

4:30

I've always been able to shrug

4:33

off any supernatural

4:35

things that I've experienced, such as

4:37

things moving off the walls or being

4:41

caught on camera or something.

4:43

I've always rationalized

4:46

it. I've always had like a

4:49

very abstract mind, but a very rational

4:51

mind at the same time. And

4:54

I haven't had

4:56

too

4:58

many experiences that are completely

5:01

unexplainable, but

5:03

the dogman encounter that I experienced is

5:06

definitely unexplainable, especially

5:08

since I had never even heard of anything

5:11

like that. And I've

5:13

always been interested in writing

5:16

kind of a science fiction, fantasy,

5:19

romance novel that like

5:24

is the life I wanted

5:26

to live basically where monsters

5:30

and stuff are

5:32

after me or whatever. So

5:34

I've always looked

5:37

up a lot of information about

5:40

different religions and

5:42

different traditions that

5:46

talk about the mysterious, I guess. And

5:50

there's always a part of me that

5:53

just thought stories and

5:56

that I can learn something from

5:58

them and go

5:59

off and do my own

6:02

thing.

6:04

But

6:05

I've always

6:07

searched for God, that's for

6:09

sure. That

6:11

seeking in my heart has

6:13

never like gone away, so

6:16

to speak. I just have

6:19

certain disobedience

6:21

that are passed

6:23

down for me, for my parents and stuff.

6:26

It's hard to navigate being

6:30

my own person, I guess. That's

6:32

just kind of my struggle that I've always

6:35

had. But

6:37

I think I'm doing

6:39

alright and I think I have been doing alright.

6:43

I have not really had

6:46

too much luck in the relationship seen

6:49

in a long time, but that's just

6:52

kind of, because I put

6:54

God first, really. I've

6:57

lived on my own

6:59

most of the time.

7:01

There was a period

7:04

in 2014 where I was, I guess, what

7:10

you

7:12

say having a panic attack and

7:16

that panic attack,

7:20

I knew something was going to happen that day.

7:23

I knew something was going to happen, but

7:25

I didn't know what.

7:27

I went

7:31

to my stepmom's house, which was on the way to

7:33

my house, just to take a

7:35

little rest, splash some water in my face

7:38

or whatever, and I stood on top

7:41

of a couple of stairs and

7:45

I just kind of took a deep breath and I fainted.

7:48

The fainting

7:50

is definitely what I was

7:53

worried about happening, is

7:55

what I felt happening. as

8:00

somebody who

8:02

didn't have a problem with nerves

8:05

or didn't have a problem with

8:07

too much mental health issues,

8:09

I was always able

8:11

to just pray

8:14

and get myself out of any situation. I

8:17

knew that day was different.

8:20

And I

8:22

didn't know what

8:24

to expect that

8:26

day, but when I was falling, when I took

8:29

a deep breath, it

8:31

just felt like, alright, this is

8:33

the moment, this is the moment that everything

8:35

changes and

8:37

I fell backwards,

8:40

I fell straight backwards as if I was doing

8:42

a trust fall. And

8:44

I don't know, maybe in my mind I was like,

8:46

alright, I want to do a trust

8:49

fall for God, see if he catches

8:51

me. And

8:54

I fell and hit my head

8:56

on a

8:57

step above me or

9:00

behind me. It wasn't above,

9:02

like I didn't, it was actually a step

9:04

below and it was a wooden step

9:07

and it wasn't a concrete step. So

9:09

there was a little bit of leeway

9:12

there, like it could have been worse. I

9:15

fell and hit my occipital bun

9:19

and it released DMT

9:23

into my brain. And

9:25

as somebody who dreams a lot, I deal

9:28

with my own DMT a lot,

9:30

almost every night I have vivid dreams

9:32

and what I see

9:35

is a whole different earth

9:37

than this one. So my

9:40

occipital bun definitely is different

9:44

than others because I just

9:47

deal with it a lot more.

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I was a skating car hop at the time,

9:52

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9:56

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10:01

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10:04

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doctors didn't really believe I was in as

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I saw my body fall. When

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I fell, it was as if

12:13

my soul left the body before

12:16

I even had the

12:18

impact. And I could

12:20

see myself fall hundreds

12:23

of times. It was like an old 1980s music video,

12:27

or somebody's like falling on a bed or

12:30

something slowly and there's like

12:32

an echo to it. And

12:34

I saw that happen. And

12:37

then all of a sudden I was

12:41

seeing

12:44

something that wasn't

12:47

there for the first time. It was stronger

12:49

than a dream and it felt

12:51

more real than reality.

12:55

But what happened was I was on a shelf

12:58

and there's like a pastel rose

13:02

sheet over the shelf. And

13:06

I fell off that shelf into

13:08

the sheet. And in that

13:10

sheet, I could see all the logos

13:14

of different companies, of different

13:16

bands, of different

13:20

just all the logos that I've seen throughout my life. And

13:24

they were cut out of the sheet and

13:27

through those logos, I could

13:29

see the earth as if I was in a plane.

13:32

It was like daytime and

13:35

I was flying over the earth

13:37

and still wrapped within the sheet

13:40

that is reminiscent

13:42

of the tunnel you

13:45

see

13:46

when you're dying. And

13:50

in my rebellious

13:52

spirit that I've always had, my

13:55

curious heart, I guess,

13:57

I knew I was in that tunnel.

13:59

I was like, whoa, this is the tunnel that everybody

14:02

talks about. And

14:06

everyone always says they're mesmerized by the light.

14:09

And I refused to look at the light. I was

14:11

like, wait, if this is my

14:13

only chance to be in this tunnel, I

14:16

got to analyze this tunnel. And

14:22

little did I know that like

14:24

the light was still bringing

14:27

me towards it. And

14:31

I had

14:34

been sucked into the light. And

14:36

then all of a sudden

14:39

it was as if my life was a movie

14:41

reel that had no

14:43

pictures on it. And

14:46

it took me a while to realize that this was

14:51

the judgment. This was the

14:53

judgment of like, well, let's

14:55

get into, let's see if you're going

14:58

to actually stay dead or

15:00

if you're going to live. And

15:05

at

15:06

first it was like a

15:08

horizontal line

15:12

down the middle of what I saw. There

15:14

was white on the left and there was black on

15:16

the right.

15:18

And then

15:21

all of a sudden on the left, there became

15:25

two options of

15:27

a coin. The two sides of a coin. I

15:29

was seeing a 2D

15:32

rendition of a 3D coin.

15:37

And then on the other side, it was a checkerboard.

15:42

And in my mind, I was like, oh, okay.

15:44

So this is the mechanics of

15:46

a coin flip. It

15:49

was the two options

15:52

of a resting coin is on the left. And

15:55

then on the right, every

15:57

option of a flipped coin

15:59

is.

15:59

there.

16:01

And then I kept thinking like, Oh,

16:04

no, they're gonna flip the coin. And

16:08

I'm gonna see

16:11

whether I'm dead or not, honestly. And

16:16

the coin got flipped. And then all of

16:18

a sudden, both

16:22

sides started switching so

16:24

super fast. They started

16:26

switching so fast that

16:29

it became the

16:32

two sides of the coin or

16:35

the two sides of what I was seeing was being

16:38

flipped

16:39

quickly.

16:40

And it was flipping

16:43

so quick that it flipped horizontally.

16:46

And

16:48

then like it was vertical

16:51

and then it became horizontal as

16:53

it flipped. And all

16:58

I could do was just sit there and I

17:02

mean, I wasn't even there. I was like a disembodied,

17:05

just like idea at the time.

17:08

All I

17:10

was was this is the concept of observing

17:13

really. And

17:16

I didn't even feel like me anymore. Like

17:19

I had no memories like I had.

17:21

Like I was just there. And

17:25

I kept thinking to myself, Oh, no,

17:28

like I was kind of like toying with

17:30

it. I was like, Oh, no, don't go black.

17:32

Don't do that. I'm not dead.

17:35

And I was kind of

17:37

like, just thinking

17:39

I was just thinking. And it

17:41

was like my thoughts

17:43

were being were

17:45

given to God. And

17:48

God was sitting there with his

17:50

hand on his chin thinking and

17:53

just processing my thoughts.

17:56

Like does this guy really want to die

17:58

or does he not? And

18:01

then

18:03

it started getting slower

18:05

and slower to

18:07

the point where it

18:10

was

18:11

switching exponentially

18:13

smaller

18:15

I guess, like

18:18

a smaller time between the flips is

18:21

what I should say. And

18:24

it switched black one last time

18:29

and then boom, flipped

18:31

white one and then it flipped white

18:34

and I was so relieved. I

18:36

was like,

18:38

that's right, it's not time for me yet.

18:42

And this happened Super Bowl weekend

18:45

of 2014.

18:49

Once this was white, I

18:52

opened my eyes and

18:54

I was looking upward and

18:58

I could see a picture of

19:02

my step grandpa when he was younger.

19:05

That was the first thing I saw. And

19:09

I saw it in black and white and

19:11

then the color slowly came back

19:15

and I could see colors again.

19:21

I've thought about this a lot since then

19:24

and it can only

19:26

be like I see it

19:28

as like I didn't

19:32

see it as my own sins

19:35

judgment, but I saw it as

19:37

the concept of sin altogether.

19:40

It was as if each checkerboard

19:43

on the right side was

19:45

a

19:46

different word that was created

19:50

and each word represents

19:53

a sin I guess. I don't

19:55

know. I don't know how to describe how

19:58

I've interpreted it entirely.

19:59

yet because it didn't

20:02

seem like my own judgment.

20:05

It just seemed like the concept

20:08

of judgment just

20:10

in itself. But

20:15

when I came to, I

20:17

really wanted to return back to that place,

20:21

that's for sure. Like I really

20:24

thought like, oh, all I need to do is

20:26

hit my head and I can see

20:30

whatever that was. And I

20:32

really wanted to do it, but I

20:34

couldn't speak correctly. I

20:37

was speaking in gibberish. And

20:40

I went to like a church

20:43

at one point that spoke in tongues, and

20:45

it didn't sound like that. It sounded like straight

20:47

up just gobbledygook.

20:51

Like it was like not even,

20:55

it was not even words that you

20:57

could be written down. They were just sounds.

21:01

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21:04

sent to the mental hospital and all that stuff.

21:08

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I didn't like, I

21:16

couldn't hold down my job anymore at the

21:19

time.

21:21

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21:24

couldn't do anything other than

21:26

like, focus on

21:29

what I knew, which was music. And

21:32

I went back and like, listened

21:36

to a bunch of music that I missed

21:39

throughout the years being a metalhead, being

21:41

a Christian metalhead. Like

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I went and listened to a lot of hip hop

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that I didn't think

21:48

was appropriate at

21:50

the time. And then I, I kind of filled

21:54

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the entertainment industry.

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Anytime I wanted to say something in

23:43

a group setting, somebody else

23:45

said it. Anytime I wanted to

23:47

like... I don't

23:50

know. I perceive the world

23:52

differently. It was as if like... It

23:56

was as if like an infant's

23:58

mind was put...

23:59

it

24:01

in a 24

24:02

year old's body.

24:05

And I was just with

24:08

that 23 year old's knowledge

24:10

of everything. And

24:14

I was relearning

24:16

what it meant to be

24:18

a human after that. And

24:22

it was a very interesting

24:25

time period, especially

24:30

after I got put on disability, because then

24:32

I could afford to actually

24:35

do things in my life for the first

24:37

time.

24:39

Well, for the first time in a long time.

24:43

And I did a lot of traveling. I went to

24:45

a bunch of Wrestlemanias. I

24:49

went to a bunch of concerts. I got to meet

24:52

a member of Gross Generation. I actually

24:54

got to live dreams that

25:01

I wanted to live up in

25:04

Telvyn. And

25:06

it was very

25:09

nice. It really did feel like heaven

25:12

on earth when I could afford things.

25:16

I mean, I guess that's the secret, right? If you

25:18

have enough money, you can

25:23

treat the world as if it's heaven. I've

25:25

definitely learned if you don't have

25:28

enough money, it can seem

25:30

like hell. But I've

25:34

never been afraid of hell,

25:36

because I always knew

25:38

Jesus died

25:40

for

25:41

my chance to go to hell. So

25:44

I never worried about that.

25:48

There was a lot

25:50

of

25:52

issues still in my brain at the

25:55

time. And

25:57

I snapped

25:59

out of it.

26:00

once I actually did

26:03

DMT. And

26:06

there

26:09

were,

26:10

I mean I could go all stereotypical

26:12

about what

26:13

a DMT experience is like, but

26:18

there

26:21

were

26:22

just a couple of things that stood out

26:24

that I wanted to retain other

26:27

than all the weird

26:29

geometry or whatever.

26:31

It was that

26:34

the world is a wheel,

26:39

whether it's flat or whether it's curved, it's

26:41

still a wheel. I don't

26:43

know what that means, but that's

26:46

one of the messages I received. Another

26:49

one I received is that my soul will never leave

26:51

Earth.

26:53

That aliens aren't real and that girls

26:56

generation will never know who I am.

27:00

And

27:01

seeing as how I've met a member of girls

27:03

generation

27:05

and that

27:07

my soul did leave Earth

27:10

when I fell and hit my

27:12

head and the fact

27:15

that I've seen a dogman now

27:18

kind of all proves that

27:22

maybe they weren't exactly telling me

27:24

the truth or

27:26

whatever it was.

27:28

But whatever DMT did

27:30

to my brain, it did snap me out

27:33

of a lot of delusional thinking that

27:35

I was having. And

27:38

it was definitely what I needed

27:41

because there

27:44

for years I was able to get

27:47

back to who I know I am. And

27:52

I did a lot of traveling. I

27:54

actually went to Korea and I didn't

28:00

I waste my time, I guess I should say,

28:02

but I wasted my actions. Cause

28:05

it,

28:08

I don't have a job and I want

28:10

a job,

28:11

but I only want a job in order

28:14

to fund

28:16

my book that I'm going to write about like

28:18

my life. And

28:21

it was

28:23

originally going to be like a sci-fi fantasy

28:26

romance novel or

28:28

a series but

28:29

I don't know if I still want to do that as

28:31

opposed to just writing about my life,

28:34

which is way more interesting.

28:36

But, uh,

28:38

I can pay attention to

28:41

a

28:42

certain set of rules. If there's

28:44

rules

28:45

for me that are put in place,

28:47

I can follow those rules and

28:50

I can thrive in whatever rules

28:52

I'm presented. But

28:54

position to my life, because

28:57

of being on disability,

28:59

I positioned my life where like

29:03

I could make my own rules, I

29:05

guess. So I

29:08

didn't own a TV. I still don't.

29:12

I didn't know a computer, but

29:15

I did have a phone.

29:17

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29:20

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29:23

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29:24

and YouTube, of course,

29:27

but I didn't really pay attention to

29:29

anything once everything became

29:32

streaming.

29:34

I didn't finish a lot of television shows

29:36

I was going to watch and

29:39

stuff, but I started to

29:41

just dive into

29:44

just real stories from people,

29:47

like people who've experienced real experiences.

29:51

And I

29:53

remember there

29:55

was a point where SCP

29:57

kept popping

29:59

up.

29:59

everywhere.

30:01

And I kept reading

30:03

these stories and watching these videos about

30:05

SCP stuff. And

30:08

I was like,

30:10

okay, maybe

30:13

I've gone a little bit too far now. Because

30:17

this all seems just like made

30:21

up stuff. And

30:28

one night,

30:30

I was laying bed.

30:32

And my

30:34

next door neighbor, who was,

30:39

who was basically the security guard

30:41

for the area that I live in, I live on the

30:43

edge of Nokomo Park, I'm sure you

30:45

can hear cars driving right now.

30:47

Like, I live right next to the street

30:50

right next to a busy intersection. There's

30:53

a little field across the street, where

30:55

like, some

30:58

company works, has

31:00

a building, I don't know what that company is, but

31:03

they have delivery trucks. I know

31:06

that.

31:08

And then there's like a little corner store right

31:10

next to my house. And

31:16

people walk by all the time, people walk through

31:18

the yard and stuff.

31:20

So we had

31:22

a trailer over here where

31:25

my friend Eddie was our security guard.

31:28

And he had passed away in the

31:32

late winter of 2021, maybe,

31:36

or 2021,

31:37

not 2001. I don't know what I'm saying. And I

31:39

inherited his cat.

31:43

And

31:48

my cat and his cat didn't get along

31:50

very well. They were kind of territorial.

31:53

But

31:55

whenever I would hear him make

31:58

his little cat screech,

31:59

Noise I

32:01

would wake up and I'd run out there and see what's going

32:03

on. Usually I was breaking up my cat

32:06

fighting with his Sometimes

32:08

I was chasing off raccoons

32:13

What else there's been dogs before

32:16

You know just normal normal

32:18

stuff that I wake up to in the middle of the

32:20

night

32:22

but there was one night I

32:25

Woke up and I heard Him

32:28

scream and I ran out there and I grabbed

32:30

my glasses. I Don't

32:33

remember how late in the year it

32:35

was it must have been winter because

32:37

I remember it being

32:39

Just barely cold enough

32:42

for me not to want to chase it Whatever

32:45

this was or whatever It

32:48

was that I was going to run into

32:50

I Was just gonna yell

32:53

until it ran off like

32:55

normal

32:57

But what I saw was something that

33:00

I did not expect to see I

33:04

Had not even heard of a dog

33:06

man at all

33:09

But this could only be described

33:11

as a dog man and it

33:14

looked like What

33:16

the pound calls a pit bull It

33:21

was taller than I

33:23

am maybe about six six and a half

33:25

feet tall And

33:29

it had a pit bulls face

33:31

but maybe like Disproportionate

33:36

to its body like it was a little bit bigger

33:39

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33:41

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33:42

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33:45

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33:48

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It was in the middle of my yard facing the northwest

34:41

and I have a little carport that's awkwardly

34:43

placed in the middle of the front yard

34:46

so I could only see

34:49

it as it was standing there.

34:54

It didn't look like it was looking

34:57

at me at all. It didn't look like it was paying

34:59

attention to me at all.

35:01

I heard the scream. I ran out, opened

35:03

the door, stood on my porch and

35:06

it had long fingers.

35:10

I had like a big giant

35:12

claw that it

35:14

scooped up my cat Ozzy with and

35:18

Ozzy let off her scream and

35:24

it ran off.

35:26

It passed my car, passed the carport. It

35:30

ran off and it ran off into the darkness

35:32

where I couldn't see it. I

35:36

thought to myself, I

35:39

wasn't shocked. I wasn't

35:42

like surprised.

35:45

My first thought was this

35:47

might as well happen because

35:50

at the time I was an RCIA so

35:52

I was

35:53

becoming Catholic and I

35:56

like

35:58

been. believer

36:01

in miracles

36:03

and so

36:05

I thought to myself,

36:07

all right let's rationalize this. This

36:11

is something I can't chalk up

36:13

to a plane flying

36:15

over and knocking something off the shelf or

36:18

a noise

36:20

from somebody walking down the

36:22

street singing or something

36:25

like this isn't something I can

36:27

easily explain so obviously

36:31

this is something a little bit different than

36:33

what I've ever experienced and

36:38

I

36:39

mentioned it to a couple people

36:41

at the time and they

36:45

were

36:46

unbelievers I guess I should say

36:50

which

36:52

would have been me probably

36:55

before this encounter but

36:57

uh

37:00

I found your podcast

37:03

I found other podcasts I found different

37:05

stories about dogmen and

37:07

they had always said stuff like

37:11

yeah werewolves

37:13

are a legend but it's not a werewolf

37:16

skin walkers are a legend but it's not a skin

37:19

walker

37:20

and

37:22

that's kind of the conclusions I had like

37:24

I was like well this isn't

37:27

really

37:28

something I've learned about before

37:32

and I

37:34

stumbled upon a reddit post I'm

37:37

pretty sure has been deleted now

37:39

because I can't find it anymore about

37:41

how jinns

37:44

existed and

37:46

that in

37:47

Muslim culture cats and dogs are

37:51

akin to demons and that

37:53

dogmen weren't

37:56

created by Allah they

37:58

were here before

37:59

And

38:02

I just

38:03

started doing all this thinking,

38:05

like,

38:07

okay, I was visited by something

38:09

very ancient.

38:15

And I don't think it's something

38:19

that could be explained

38:22

without

38:24

there being somebody other people who've

38:26

experienced this. Like, if I was the only

38:28

one who ever experienced this,

38:30

then I would just forget all about

38:33

it and I would just move on and I wouldn't tell

38:35

anybody. But because there's other people who've

38:37

experienced something like this,

38:39

it makes me want to share the story. And

38:43

I didn't know whether

38:46

I believed in the whole JIN thing

38:48

or whatever, but the more I do

38:51

thinking

38:52

about just ancient cultures

38:54

and the ancient past and

38:59

stuff like,

39:02

and studying about

39:06

other

39:07

beings and stuff, it

39:10

just makes me excited,

39:12

honestly. It makes me

39:14

excited that I have experienced

39:17

something like this and

39:19

that I can

39:21

actually put a line in the sand. You

39:25

know what I mean?

39:27

I don't know

39:30

what miracles to believe in or

39:32

what are true or what's not.

39:35

I know in my heart what I believe,

39:38

but this

39:41

is something that I can for sure stick

39:44

my flag in and say, yeah,

39:47

I'm a dog man believer. I know

39:49

that this exists.

39:51

I doubt other

39:53

things exist. I

39:56

want to believe in other things, but I

39:59

know that I believe in other things.

39:59

in dog wind and they,

40:03

it makes me

40:05

go from there. Like if I start

40:07

from there

40:09

and I work backwards to what I actually

40:11

believe as a Catholic, as

40:14

a Christian, as a someone

40:18

who believes

40:21

in Jesus Christ.

40:24

I may not know everything

40:26

about Him,

40:29

but I do believe in Him.

40:31

It

40:32

brings me to the St. Christopher story

40:35

where he was a dog-headed person and he

40:39

was

40:43

saved.

40:44

He was brought into

40:47

the church.

40:49

He was an otherworldly monster

40:51

that helped people

40:54

across the river

40:57

and even helped baby

40:59

Jesus across when he had the weight of the world.

41:02

That resonated with me because

41:06

after I fell and hit my head, the pain

41:09

in my back was

41:11

so strong. I would

41:13

be up all night crying

41:16

because I was in so much pain. I

41:18

would be up all night crying because

41:20

like

41:22

I can't speak correctly. I can't think

41:24

correctly. My back hurts so bad that

41:26

I feel

41:29

like a monster.

41:33

Like I feel like something

41:36

isn't right with me and it wasn't.

41:39

It wasn't. I've had back surgery

41:42

since then and I'm not in as much pain, a little

41:44

bit of pain, but not as much. I

41:47

just kept thinking about this dog-made

41:51

and what other beings

41:53

out there that

41:56

we don't know. before

42:00

we were here. If Adam and Eve

42:02

were put in this garden and

42:06

they were to name all the animals,

42:10

what animals

42:12

didn't stay in the garden? What

42:15

animals ran off

42:17

to go do their own thing

42:21

that

42:22

Adam and Eve didn't know about?

42:27

And it just

42:30

makes me wonder if

42:34

I have all these weird hypotheses about

42:36

how

42:38

the dogmen, when they were

42:40

here,

42:42

they created the world

42:45

and all these fancy

42:48

architectures that were

42:51

presented at the World's Fair

42:55

and all this stuff. It makes me wonder if they're

42:58

responsible or if

43:00

we've created

43:02

a myth for ourselves

43:05

in the dogmen. That's another hypothesis

43:08

I've had, I've taken to the extreme because

43:10

a

43:14

Hollywood movie, Twister 2,

43:17

was filmed up the road from me recently.

43:19

And

43:21

I don't know,

43:24

maybe the dogman was Hollywood

43:27

trying to make

43:30

its next blockbuster in

43:32

that some kid saw

43:35

a monster that we created.

43:38

Like maybe it was just

43:40

some robot that

43:42

Hollywood created

43:45

so that there

43:47

could be a legend about the Twister 2

43:50

and

43:52

what is it, an IMDB

43:54

when it has trivia. Or

43:57

maybe Twister 2 will have a trivia. filmed

44:00

right up the street from

44:04

a dog man encounter or something.

44:07

I don't know. I don't

44:09

know exactly what

44:11

humans are in charge of and

44:15

exactly if what

44:18

they're in charge of was something that I encountered.

44:22

But since then I've had you

44:25

and I've had a Navy recruiter

44:27

tell me that they believe in dog men. Ever

44:30

since then, everything else, I've

44:33

had people yelling and screaming

44:35

at me because what

44:38

I'm saying is BS.

44:44

But

44:45

as somebody who's made up stories

44:47

before a lot, I

44:50

don't BS about

44:52

this.

44:56

If I was BSing about

44:58

seeing this dog man, I'd be BSing

45:01

about the fact that

45:05

at military school we're supposed to be

45:07

outside standing at attention in

45:11

bright hallway light in five

45:13

seconds. I've

45:15

been trained to react

45:19

to

45:22

something like this. I

45:25

ran out, stood at attention metaphorically

45:28

and saw something

45:31

that only a few

45:33

people get to see. I feel

45:35

very lucky that

45:38

the supernatural experience that I've

45:40

always wanted to have has happened. But

45:43

I don't

45:46

know why I'm still here.

45:48

Like why I'm still at

45:50

the same house that it happened. I don't

45:52

know if I'm waiting for him to return or not.

45:56

In January of this year, I went

45:59

to the pound.

46:01

And I saw

46:03

this dog in the cage.

46:06

And my first thought was that dog

46:08

looks exactly like the dog man that I encountered.

46:12

And he's

46:15

now one of my best friends. He's, I needed him

46:17

to get along with my cats better,

46:19

but it

46:20

makes me feel better

46:22

having a dog because

46:25

I feel like maybe

46:28

the dog men were mad at me for

46:30

being a cat person. And

46:34

they took one of my cats away

46:37

so that I can be a

46:39

dog owner. But

46:42

that's just kind of how I rationalized

46:45

it. And I don't

46:47

know. I just, I've

46:50

always felt connected to earthlings

46:52

just in general,

46:54

whatever

46:56

form they may be, whether

46:59

it's

47:01

cats, dogs, fish, bugs.

47:05

Like, there's a lot of times where

47:07

I

47:09

won't, I won't even like shoo mosquitoes

47:11

away once they land on my arm.

47:14

And because I don't shoo them away, they don't bite

47:17

me.

47:19

They just

47:21

rest on me.

47:23

And I like to think that like I'm

47:26

somebody who

47:29

people can rest around.

47:30

And I don't know if

47:33

there are aliens or not.

47:35

I'm sure there are, but

47:39

I feel like I'm on the side of

47:42

the inhabitants of this planet,

47:45

whichever form they may be.

47:48

I've heard so many other experiences,

47:50

negative experiences about dog men.

47:54

And I don't feel

47:57

scared when I hear those stories. I feel

47:59

like. sad

48:01

that humans and

48:04

dog man can't re-interact better.

48:08

I've had like

48:10

the safest dog man experience

48:12

because at the time the cat

48:14

that he took was

48:19

someone I was worried about. Most

48:22

of my worry was put into this

48:24

cat. Like when the

48:26

bad winner comes, what am I gonna

48:28

do? Is he gonna be able to stay in my house with

48:31

my other cat? Like, I

48:34

don't know. Like,

48:39

it made me depressed. I would sit out there with

48:41

him in my lap and I would pet

48:43

him and enjoy his time.

48:46

But it was a depression that I

48:48

was feeling and the

48:51

dog man

48:53

took away that cat that was causing

48:55

my depression. And

49:00

I've always been one to, quote unquote,

49:04

dance in misery. But

49:08

Ozzy and

49:10

my cat are the dog man. Ozzy

49:14

and the dog man. That

49:16

whole situation between the three of us.

49:20

When I thought this might as well happen, my

49:23

next thought was now I don't

49:27

have to worry about Ozzy anymore.

49:29

Because if some human was

49:31

out there taking Ozzy, I would've chased him

49:34

easily. I would've defended

49:37

Ozzy. But seeing as I

49:39

saw a

49:40

monster, I

49:42

didn't quite wanna

49:44

go toe to toe with it at the time.

49:48

And if

49:50

it were to happen now, I would chase it. But

49:52

I would chase it to interview it or something. But

49:55

I didn't, I

49:59

thought. The whole experience was

50:01

an overall positive experience

50:03

because I don't

50:06

have to be depressed about Ozzy anymore. He's

50:09

in a better place.

50:11

The burden was lifted and

50:14

I was able to move

50:16

on and get confirmed

50:19

and

50:21

truly be

50:23

closer to God than I have ever felt I

50:25

was.

50:27

It's

50:30

put me in a position now where

50:35

my story needs to get out. I

50:37

can't keep dwelling

50:41

over my past. I need to focus on the future.

50:46

The more I tell people about the Dog Man experience,

50:48

the less they believe.

50:51

I

50:54

just want to get my

50:56

story out so that people

50:58

can realize that

51:01

I'm not alone

51:03

in my story. Others

51:08

have experienced this too. That's

51:11

pretty much my whole experience.

51:13

It wasn't as exciting as others.

51:20

It definitely was a turning point in my life

51:22

where it was, you think

51:25

you're grown and you think you're

51:30

removed from any supernatural

51:34

experiences. You

51:37

think it was all developmental in your brain.

51:43

Just get you in the most right mind you've

51:45

been as an adult and

51:49

send you

51:50

a supernatural experience you can't ignore

51:52

and see how well your

51:55

mental is afterwards.

51:57

That's what it seemed like it

51:59

was.

51:59

But

52:02

in the end, like,

52:07

I'm just as curious as I've ever

52:09

been. And

52:13

I love that it happened

52:15

to me because

52:17

now I can

52:19

really believe in things that

52:21

I should believe in,

52:23

such as, like, Eucharistic

52:25

miracles and people

52:28

rising from the dead and stuff

52:31

like that, you know? Did

52:33

the dog man move smoothly as it ran away with

52:35

Ozzy or was it jerky in its movements?

52:38

It moved very smoothly. It

52:41

didn't look back. It didn't even

52:43

acknowledge that I was there. It just ran

52:46

off.

52:48

It was very smooth and I only

52:50

saw it

52:51

for a couple of feet because if my car port

52:53

wasn't there, I would have been able to see it for a lot

52:56

more. But

52:59

all I could see was just maybe

53:01

about five feet of area

53:04

of it running off and maybe I think

53:06

it only took one step that I saw really.

53:11

But it was interesting. It moved

53:13

very smoothly. I

53:16

would have thought it was

53:18

like a

53:21

mirage or something. Like, it moved so

53:23

smoothly that, like, it could have been

53:25

a projection, you know? But

53:29

the fact that my cat is gone

53:33

means that something happened and

53:36

nobody else has brought me an adequate

53:39

explanation of what it was. I've

53:41

been told maybe it was just a

53:43

coyote, but, like,

53:46

it wasn't.

53:48

I know that for sure. I've

53:50

seen coyotes.

53:54

But yeah, it moved very smoothly.

53:56

Do

54:00

you have any closing comments you'd like to share?

54:03

Um,

54:06

closing comments. Don't

54:09

be so quick to dismiss

54:11

people's experience because if somebody,

54:15

if somebody's coming to you with

54:17

something that they've had, that

54:20

means they trust you. Be

54:23

open to miracles. Those

54:26

are kind of my closing comments.

54:29

Well, thanks so much for sharing them with us and

54:31

thanks so much for coming on to tell us about

54:33

your NDE and your Dog Man encounter.

54:36

I appreciate it.

54:38

Thank you.

54:39

Oh, you're welcome.

54:40

Thanks again so much and have

54:42

a great night.