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2:13

Tonight's guest is Adolf Santa Steven.

2:15

He goes by A.D. though. A.D.

2:18

Welcome to the show. Hello, hello. Good

2:21

afternoon. You

2:23

threw me when you said good afternoon because it's

2:25

night here. But then again, you're way out west

2:28

so there's a three hour time difference.

2:31

Thanks for seeing that anyway. A.D.,

2:34

please give us a brief bio on yourself.

2:38

Basically I'm an outdoor person. I

2:41

like going up in the mountains fishing. Used

2:45

to like camping quite a bit. When

2:48

I go fishing it's only during the day. I

2:52

have to be home before I get start for

2:54

sure. I can't drive at night.

2:58

But yeah, I like exploring. I

3:01

like

3:03

listening to Bigfoot stories,

3:06

Thunderbirds, Dogman.

3:08

I'm always a curious person. Anywhere

3:11

I go I look down for tracks

3:14

on the sandbar or trails. I'm

3:17

always looking around and I

3:20

always take a lot of photos

3:22

of my cell phone. But

3:24

once I get home I always zoom

3:26

in on it all the time. And

3:30

even everybody else has photographed because

3:32

I end up finding stuff that they missed.

3:36

And most of the photos I take is because

3:40

I get a feeling that something's there or

3:43

something's looking at me. So

3:46

those are the areas I

3:48

take photos a lot. And

3:51

I always end up finding something that's

3:53

strange. And

3:57

yeah, there's one.

4:00

spot I need to go to by court right.

4:03

It's an overhang. There's a big X

4:06

in there. Looks like there's two statues

4:09

and two boulders that are

4:11

rectangle shape and with a flat section

4:14

on top. And it's

4:16

about a mile away from the road. And

4:18

only way you could see it is

4:20

from top of one of the domes, granite

4:23

domes. And I just happened

4:25

to be taking photos and that's how I found

4:28

it by zooming in in that area later

4:30

on. And I

4:32

need to check out this area. It's like a megalith

4:36

type structure. I don't

4:38

think anybody's ever been there. I

4:41

Google Earth that area. There's

4:43

no trails to it whatsoever.

4:46

I

4:47

don't see no trash or anything.

4:50

But this place is old.

4:53

But that's one of the places I want to go pretty

4:55

soon. And hopefully

4:59

when Alan Thomas

5:01

when swatches zone gets better,

5:04

we could use his drone so we don't have to walk

5:06

all the way to it maybe part of the way and

5:09

then use the drone to zoom in on it.

5:12

Find out what's there. But yeah, I always

5:14

been a curious person. I got

5:17

Navajo in me also. To

5:21

me, that's a big plus because it makes me

5:23

more aware what's around my surroundings.

5:26

Yeah, I like outdoors.

5:29

Big time.

5:31

Considering all the experiences you've had,

5:33

I'd say it's a good thing that you're very aware of your surroundings

5:36

because you've got quite the collection of experiences.

5:40

AD are here tonight because you saw the same

5:42

big dog man last week's guest, Javier

5:44

Saw. How far was the spot where you

5:46

saw it from where he did? Were

5:49

you seeing it probably

5:52

two and a half miles?

5:54

Yeah, about two and a half miles

5:57

up the river where I was at.

5:59

Yeah, that's not that far then.

6:02

No, not at all.

6:04

How much time had gone by when you saw it compared

6:06

to when he did?

6:08

I'm trying to remember the time.

6:12

So you told me about it.

6:16

I'll say about...

6:18

About six months.

6:20

So that much time had gone by.

6:22

How did you meet Javier?

6:25

Actually, I met him through...

6:28

I used to be interviewed quite a bit

6:31

with Paranormal Central. Jeff

6:33

Garcia. He has

6:35

a show here in Fresno called Paranormal

6:38

Central. And

6:41

in fact, he's the one that... tried

6:45

to find us because they heard about our story.

6:49

And this is before we even started making a movie

6:51

about it. And

6:53

he tracked us down. He heard about our

6:55

story at a party. Ended

6:58

up, it was one of my co-workers at work that

7:01

told him the story. Because he...

7:03

My co-worker was supposed to have gone with us. Camping,

7:06

but at the last minute, he decided not to

7:08

go. Good thing. But

7:11

yeah, there was supposed to be one other person and he didn't

7:13

make it. Then we end up telling him the

7:15

story. Went to a party. Jeff

7:17

was there. He's related to him somehow. And

7:22

then Jeff tracked us down. And

7:25

our first interview was

7:27

Paranormal Central.

7:28

Yeah, I'd say it was a good thing they didn't go camping

7:31

with you that time. We're going to get into

7:33

that while we're saying that after we talk

7:35

about you talking in the counter though. Yeah,

7:37

that's a pretty detailed story right

7:39

there in and of itself. Yeah.

7:42

Yeah, definitely.

7:44

Me and Javier, I met him

7:46

through Paranormal Central. And

7:51

yeah, we just started liking the places

7:53

that he was going. And

7:55

I mean, I'm quite a bit older than

7:58

he is. So a lot of

8:00

these places I already knew before

8:02

he went to him. So

8:05

I started showing him some of the places,

8:07

me and Alan started showing some of

8:09

the places that were kind

8:11

of tripped out. And then

8:13

he expanded from there and started

8:16

doing his own thing. But

8:19

yeah, Javier is a really good guy, nice guy.

8:22

He showed us some interesting places

8:24

I didn't know about.

8:27

Some rock painting, you should ask

8:29

him about that. That's his story.

8:32

And he took us there and it's

8:36

a big panel of old

8:39

rock paintings. And

8:41

there's also a thunderbird painted

8:44

on there. A

8:48

pterodactyl type bird that's

8:51

painted on this big rock and it's

8:53

probably about 15 feet across. It's

8:58

a pretty good design and

9:01

it's old. And

9:04

whoever painted it, they did it on the right

9:06

area because it's facing east, all our

9:08

storms come from the west and

9:11

it has a slight overhang. So

9:14

it's protected by the weather and

9:17

rain and areas that aren't protected.

9:20

You can see where the red paint

9:22

got washed away a little bit or not

9:25

as bright. But

9:27

yeah, we end up finding that out on the way

9:29

back because we're trying to locate it because

9:33

he heard stories about it and we're

9:35

almost giving up, started

9:37

coming off that mountain, came

9:40

around a corner, looked

9:42

behind this tree and awesome, boom, there

9:44

it was. And

9:48

then also there's

9:52

a rock that

9:54

looks like part of it was carved out,

9:56

part of it, not everything but

9:59

it's also painted. it and it

10:01

looks like a Bigfoot that's

10:05

painted, you know, hundreds

10:07

or thousands of years ago. And

10:10

it's like from the shoulder above,

10:13

it shows like a Bigfoot head right there. And

10:16

on the side of the face, it has a picture of

10:18

a shaman. And I

10:21

went to Google started looking

10:23

at old Indian paintings and

10:25

stuff. And I found a picture

10:28

of a shaman, ended up it was

10:30

the same type of design that's on the side

10:32

of the Bigfoot

10:34

space.

10:36

Wow,

10:37

that sure does sound like an awfully neat area.

10:39

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Alright AD please. Please tell us about your encounter

12:01

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12:03

to mind.

12:05

Alrighty. One

12:08

day, well a day

12:10

before actually, I called up Alan

12:13

Thomas. He has his own

12:16

show called Squatch Zone. So

12:19

we always end up going out driving

12:22

to places, checking out places. We

12:24

really can't walk really that good.

12:26

His knees are bad. And I got

12:28

one bad one, but I

12:30

tried to do the best I could. So

12:33

I called him up, telling us to take a drive, you

12:36

know, bring your drone and your cameras, and

12:39

we'll go out exploring again.

12:43

So we decided

12:45

to go by Pine Flat Dam, Avocado

12:48

Lake area, Kings River, which

12:50

is all within the same area, 10 square

12:53

miles easily within that area.

12:57

And there's a lot of orange

12:59

groves and lemon groves in

13:01

that area. So got in

13:03

his car and started

13:06

driving. We also heard of

13:09

Bigfoots. They like hanging out in the

13:11

lemon groves and orange groves. And

13:13

it's easy for them to hide in there.

13:17

You know, you have to look down the roads. A lot of times

13:19

if they see a car coming, they'll

13:21

just hide behind a tree. You don't even

13:23

know they're there. So as we're driving,

13:25

we're always looking between the orange

13:27

groves, you know, and lemon groves and

13:30

see if we could find anything. But

13:33

we never do. But

13:35

there's been reports of them being in that area.

13:38

So as we're driving, we're always checking out

13:40

places and stuff. If

13:42

we see deers, we'll stop.

13:45

We'll take a video of it or a photo of it.

13:48

Especially because I could show my daughter. She

13:51

likes animals. So we always

13:53

stop. There's any kind of animals. But

13:56

as we're driving down Bellman Avenue, we

13:59

live in Fresno County. County, California,

14:01

and we're

14:03

driving toward Pine Flat Dam, and

14:06

the road starts getting kind of weavy a little bit,

14:09

not bad. On the left-hand side

14:11

of us, after the orange groves, its

14:13

foothills to the right is the river,

14:16

which is a little downwards past

14:18

the lemon groves. So

14:22

as we're driving, there's a sharp turn, and

14:24

there's a turnout right there. So

14:28

we got out, we're going to check out the

14:30

places, and we're always

14:32

looking for footprint, any kind of animal

14:35

tracks. We always try to figure

14:37

out what it is. But there's a

14:39

trail that goes to the top of the hill, which is about 200

14:42

feet or so. 200 feet of a walk, I mean. But

14:48

on a straight line, it's probably about 60

14:50

feet above our heads, I think. But

14:53

it's about 200 feet walk. And

14:56

so we're going to walk up there. And

14:59

I don't remember if we're going to use the drone or not.

15:01

I think it was too windy. And we

15:05

didn't use it, but we're looking for tracks.

15:07

And I told them that I was going to

15:10

go behind the lemon grove, and

15:12

the river right there is a

15:15

dirt road for tractors carry

15:17

their

15:18

boxes of lemons and oranges

15:21

to the packing house, which is on the other side

15:23

about a mile away or so. But

15:26

I walked off this hill and climb

15:29

over a fence, get to that dirt road.

15:31

And on the left hand side

15:33

of the road is the river, but between

15:36

me and the river, there's ornamental

15:38

plants that people planted. Well, I

15:40

just owner did. He had some plants

15:42

there I never seen before. And

15:44

I went to Rielly College for horticulture

15:47

and forestry. So plants always

15:50

catch my interest. So

15:52

trying to figure out what kind they are. So after

15:56

I look at the plants, I kept on walking west.

16:54

It

18:00

was like the white was

18:02

underneath, but you could see it because

18:05

the wind was blowing a little bit. So

18:08

it's like the inner part of the hair,

18:10

I guess. And the tips are

18:12

black and the tips also had grayish.

18:15

But what caught my eye was that white

18:18

color first.

18:21

And I'm going like for a quick second, I go,

18:23

what, you know, what is that? You

18:25

know, my mind's going so quick and

18:29

that thing did not

18:31

hear me because of the wraps of the water. I

18:34

snuck up on it by accident. And

18:37

all this is going through my head,

18:39

you know, a tenth of a second real quick.

18:42

You know, what is it? What

18:45

is it? You know? And then

18:48

all of a sudden, I guess it heard me.

18:53

Somehow I felt I was there or something. And

18:56

all of a sudden, his shoulder starts turning

18:59

and I seen the edge of

19:01

his snout.

19:07

I didn't know what it was. And

19:09

then I seen the edge of that snout,

19:12

but it wasn't like a Jim

19:14

and Shepherd. It was more like

19:17

a pit bull. It was shorter snout.

19:21

It wasn't pointy, but

19:23

it definitely had a snout, sort of like

19:25

a pit bull. And

19:29

you could see the muscles on the back as

19:31

it's turning. And

19:34

I seen the partial of the head

19:36

and the snout. And

19:39

right before I started seeing the eyes,

19:41

I turned around. I

19:44

started running. And I got

19:46

a bad knee. I fell down

19:48

about 50 feet. Once

19:51

I started running, my right leg gave

19:53

out. Got back up. Started

19:56

running. And then I turned

19:58

around, see if it feels like it's a good knee.

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On 5'9",

23:28

so if I'm looking at his back between

23:31

his shoulder blades, add

23:33

another probably foot

23:36

and a half. So he's

23:38

probably a good 7.5 feet tall. Muscular,

23:42

big time. I

23:45

didn't see his legs or anything because

23:47

I started running right when he started

23:49

turning his head.

23:52

It wasn't a big foot. It

23:55

wasn't a werewolf. It was a dog man.

24:00

And I didn't smell nothing because

24:02

of the way the wind was blowing. So,

24:04

and I don't think he smelled me either. I

24:07

think he just felt that something was there. Yeah.

24:11

It was, uh, I

24:14

won't go back there again. Another

24:16

place, not by myself.

24:19

Can't say I blame you after an experience like

24:21

that. Wow. How

24:23

far did you say Alan was from you when

24:25

you walked up on that dog, any lady, it

24:28

was probably

24:33

about 300 feet away, maybe

24:37

a bit more, because he

24:40

couldn't see me because of river starts curving

24:42

there and the orange Grove

24:44

a little bit. So you can

24:46

see me at that angle to, I was, you

24:49

know, parallel toward him where you can

24:51

look at me down the road. But

24:54

yeah, we ended up going back

24:57

and Alan took some videos showing

24:59

the place. And

25:01

there's also been other reports, uh,

25:04

fishermen, matter of

25:06

fact, we're with a paranormal center

25:08

with his group because

25:10

they hear stories of a dog man

25:13

in that area also. So

25:16

as we're down there, we're between,

25:18

uh, the lemon groves. There's

25:21

a Creek that goes through a ball seasonal

25:23

Creek, but it ate up

25:25

the soil over the years, so it's

25:28

down about 15 feet. So

25:30

we're trying to climb the side, get

25:33

to the other side of it and, uh,

25:35

climbing the bank then also in the

25:37

sky and the fishermen, he has

25:40

all kinds of nice equipment, nice

25:42

fishing, best two poles hanging

25:45

off the edge. Real good

25:47

stuff that he had. And, uh,

25:50

they ask him, you know, have you heard or seen

25:53

anything strange over here? He

25:55

goes, Oh yeah. He goes, uh,

25:58

I don't know what it is. He

26:00

goes, but it walks on all fours and

26:03

when the deer start running, it gets up

26:05

and runs on two. And

26:08

he sees it from a distance. And

26:11

he's a fisherman we never met before. I

26:14

mean, he was calm and collected, but

26:17

he said it had the same color

26:20

hair as the deer's. So

26:22

it blended in with them when it was laying

26:24

down with them. And the deer's

26:26

were not scared of him.

26:29

And that caught me kind of trippy

26:31

that why would they hang out with them

26:34

unless that dog man was

26:36

a pup and hung

26:38

out with deers and they grew up with

26:41

them. I don't know. But

26:43

he said it's tall and it walks on two,

26:46

but sometimes it walks on all fours. And

26:50

he said it's not a dog.

26:53

It's not a deer. I don't know what it is. He's

26:57

seen it a couple of times. He's

27:00

aware of it. He's the one that told us

27:02

about it. And

27:05

reason he's going to a pond that's behind

27:07

the orange. Orange live

27:09

in the packet house. And

27:11

I googled that area, ended up there is a pond

27:14

there and there's a small dam. And

27:17

he said he always goes fishing there because he catches

27:20

its limit. All the

27:22

fish get stuck right there behind the dam. So

27:25

as he's going home, he's stuffed by there, goes

27:28

fishing for a while, takes it home

27:30

and happened for dinner, he said.

27:32

If he's had more than one run in with that dog

27:34

man and he still goes into that area, he

27:37

definitely doesn't frighten easily, does he?

27:40

Yeah, it was. The river splits

27:42

up right where that hill was at, the

27:45

Kings River. And there's an island

27:48

and the Kings River, they end up meeting

27:50

together or down the road. So

27:53

it's really hard to get into

27:56

that island and it's

27:58

pretty dense. I

28:00

can't even show me on a danger

28:03

so much trees and and shrubs

28:05

and everything that you can

28:07

really see if there's any structures

28:10

or anything so

28:12

anything wants to hide. That's

28:14

the place to do it and then dog

28:17

man polly could walk across the river with

28:19

no problem and that's

28:21

the place. No

28:23

human could walk across that river.

28:26

Sounds like the perfect place for it to hang out.

28:29

Yeah,

28:30

and that's probably where they're hiding at and that would

28:32

be a perfect place. There's no roads,

28:35

no trails. You have to cross the

28:37

river to even get in there. And

28:39

that's probably where he hangs out at and

28:42

he the dog man polly didn't hear

28:45

me because of the wraps of the water. And

28:48

that's the reason I was able to snuck up on

28:50

him by accident. And

28:53

he was only about 6-7 feet away. Clothes.

28:57

Yeah, real clothes. That's the reason I

29:00

ran. I wasn't about to stick around. Yeah,

29:03

you probably would have got me right then and there. Yeah,

29:06

you probably just got as scared as I did.

29:08

He probably went across the river. That's

29:11

the reason I didn't see him running behind

29:13

me

29:14

because he got startled just like I

29:16

did. I ran one way, he

29:19

ran the other. You've

29:21

probably never seen a human close to him

29:23

before. That's

29:27

funny. That would be awfully funny if you did

29:29

wind up startling him. When he finally

29:31

realized that you were standing there, did

29:33

he jump like you did startle him as

29:35

he was turning around?

29:37

No, you just turn

29:39

around slowly in his head and his

29:42

shoulder, first his shoulder start turning, then

29:44

his head and as soon as I seen that perfect

29:47

angle, that snout. Oh

29:50

no, I'm out of here. And

29:53

the hair was probably about 4-6 inches

29:55

long. Straight. It

29:58

was in a... Well,

30:00

at least on his back, it wasn't, you know,

30:03

wavy or anything.

30:05

That sounds like something straight out of a nightmare.

30:08

I've had nightmares like that where you're behind

30:10

the monster and you're terrified it's going to

30:12

turn around and for you to be six,

30:14

seven feet behind that dog man and all

30:16

of a sudden it slowly starts to turn,

30:18

I can only imagine the thoughts going through your

30:20

head. I never thought about that

30:23

way. Yeah, it was just like a movie.

30:25

I mean, it was,

30:28

it just caught me off guard big time

30:31

and I caught him off guard or her or

30:33

whatever it was. But yeah,

30:35

now I think about it, I think it ran across

30:38

the river and I

30:40

ran the opposite direction. That's the reason

30:42

I didn't see it behind me.

30:44

You might be right, but I'd be surprised if it

30:46

actually did run across the river. Sounds

30:48

to me like it didn't startle it. It just

30:51

stayed right there where it was or just

30:53

moved off, but I'd be really surprised

30:55

if it startedle it. You

30:57

even mentioned that it didn't jump or anything

30:59

like that when it came to realize you were there, just

31:02

slowly turned. So

31:04

I don't think it did frighten them.

31:07

Yeah, you're probably right because I didn't stick

31:09

around to find out for sure. I

31:12

know he wasn't following me and I'm happy about

31:14

that. I don't blame you. Don't

31:17

blame you at all.

31:18

Now AD, every time it seems like

31:20

you have an eyewitness come on the show and talk about

31:23

an experience like this where there

31:25

you are, there the dog man is, seems

31:27

like there are tons of people who pose the question,

31:30

okay, if you're that close to the dog man,

31:32

I don't understand why you didn't take

31:34

a picture of the dog man. So I want to

31:36

give you the opportunity to address

31:39

that crowd who's wondering that right

31:41

now.

31:44

You know, you're

31:47

so startled. You don't believe

31:49

what you're saying. I

31:51

mean, the first thing you want to think about is protecting

31:54

yourself. You

31:56

don't even think about taking a photo.

32:00

trying to prove anything to anybody.

32:03

You just want to, I

32:04

mean, it's an act of

32:07

nature. You have to survive.

32:10

So you need to get out of there as fast

32:12

as you can. So you

32:14

could tell the story later. You're

32:17

not worried about taking photos because

32:20

I didn't have a chance anyway, I was running as soon

32:22

as I seen the nozzle. That

32:25

snout on it, I was

32:27

gone. So yeah,

32:29

the last thing you want to think about is taking

32:33

a photo. You know, unless you're

32:35

at distance from it, you know, good distance

32:38

and you can zoom in on it, great. But

32:41

when you walk up to it and six, seven

32:43

feet away from you, that's

32:46

the last thing you want to think about. You

32:49

just want to save your life.

32:51

Oh, of course. Anyone who can

32:53

understand that, I just don't know what to think about

32:55

them because he has only common sense.

32:58

Yeah, definitely. Now

33:01

if you wanted to take a picture of it

33:03

for whatever reason, did you have anything on

33:05

you that you could have done that with?

33:08

I had my cell phone in my shirt

33:10

pocket,

33:12

but I didn't pull it out or anything.

33:15

I was gone.

33:17

Oh, of course you were. I don't blame

33:19

you. Anyone in the right mind would have been

33:22

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33:24

didn't know anything about what you're walking up

33:26

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33:28

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At that time you have no concept of taking

35:04

a photo. Of

35:07

course you didn't. It's

35:09

like the same thing. You get a cat, you

35:11

put a pot of water and you

35:14

put the cat over you, drop it. As soon

35:16

as that cat hits the water, it jumps out

35:18

and runs away. Basically that's

35:20

the same thing I did. You know, you

35:22

see it and you're... there's

35:25

no thinking, you know? Oh,

35:29

of course not. No, you

35:32

just react.

35:33

Yeah, that's natural.

35:36

I'm a little confused on this. When he walked

35:38

up on it, was it crouching or standing up straight?

35:41

No, it was standing up straight but hunching

35:44

over a little. So

35:46

his back was, his shoulder to

35:49

the top of the head was hunched over a little

35:51

bit. I don't

35:53

know if he was looking for blackberries

35:56

because there's blackberry bush right next to it. And

35:59

this... were in season. So it was probably

36:02

getting, that's what it was trying to get. Unless

36:05

it was trying to get a fish, but when

36:08

we went back later, explored that

36:10

area, a lot of the grass

36:12

was growing in the water. So

36:15

unless the fish gets stuck in there, you know,

36:18

maybe he was standing up from

36:20

bending over trying to grab something, but

36:23

I don't think so. I think

36:25

he was going for the Blackberry Bush right next to

36:27

him.

36:28

Could you tell if it was actually

36:30

standing in the water or if it was definitely

36:33

standing on the bank?

36:35

It wasn't standing in the water.

36:37

Could you tell if it had anything in its hands

36:39

at the time? No, no,

36:42

I didn't even see the hands. I'll

36:46

bet you didn't and I understand why.

36:49

Hey, the only thing I seen was between the shoulder

36:51

blades, that was at eye level, and it

36:54

was standing about two and a half, three feet below

36:56

me, and I'm looking

36:58

at the back. And

37:01

as soon as it started turning to the

37:03

shoulders,

37:04

I seen the snout, I was gone. I wasn't

37:07

about to stay any longer, but

37:09

it was standing up for sure.

37:12

Yeah, I'll bet you're setting some land speed records

37:14

that day. Since you got such

37:16

a good look at its back, were there

37:18

any special anatomical features about

37:21

its back that you could tell us about?

37:23

You can see the muscles. When

37:26

it started turning back, you could see every muscle

37:28

just standing out in the back and

37:31

on the shoulders. And

37:36

on the head had longer hair, had

37:38

longer hair, probably about six

37:41

to eight inches, something like

37:44

that. From the

37:46

forehead going backwards, all

37:49

the angle that I seen, but

37:51

the forehead, I didn't see the whole

37:53

head. So

37:56

I think part of it, because I was... I

38:00

was dumbfounded. So

38:02

I seen it start moving. And

38:05

it's like. What

38:09

is it? It took me, you

38:11

know. Hundreds

38:14

of a second, but it seems like it took forever

38:18

trying to diagnose what it is. But

38:21

it was muscular big time. And

38:25

the sound had a little darker color

38:27

on it. And

38:30

more black and a shorter black hair. And

38:34

it wasn't like a German Shepherd.

38:36

It was just like a pit bull.

38:40

Shorter snout. That

38:42

prolonged out. It

38:47

didn't look like no. Bigfoot

38:51

or now this this was

38:53

totally different.

38:55

You said it felt like you're standing there for ages.

38:58

Thinking back on it. How

39:00

long do you think you actually were standing there?

39:05

OK, right when I got to it, looking at

39:07

it, maybe two seconds.

39:12

Even that I was

39:13

gone.

39:16

I mean, he's only seven feet away. You

39:19

know, the longest part was me looking at his

39:21

back, trying to figure out what it was. To

39:24

start turning his shoulders. Then I seen the snout

39:27

at that angle. And he wasn't

39:29

totally turned around yet. I

39:31

just seen enough and I turned around to start

39:34

running.

39:35

I wasn't about to stick around. You're

39:38

probably cracking 40 miles an hour getting back

39:40

to that one. Falling

39:43

down.

39:45

Yeah, when I got to the top

39:47

of the embankment, that's

39:49

where I hurt my knee even more. So

39:51

I was running more of a with a

39:53

limp once I was on flat ground. But

39:57

I was still running. Yeah,

40:00

it uh... yeah.

40:04

I won't go there again unless I go with people.

40:07

Well, I can understand that. If

40:10

you were only about 300 feet or so

40:12

from Alan when this happened, did

40:14

you ever think about shouting out for him? Oh,

40:17

I was as I was running. Also,

40:20

you were yelling the whole way, not just when

40:22

you got closer.

40:24

No, you couldn't hear me anyway. I was

40:27

trying to yell, but I was so out of breath.

40:31

You know, I was making a horse sounds out of my head.

40:33

Out of myself. I

40:38

couldn't talk whatsoever. What

40:40

they do here was... He

40:45

tried to say his name. Oh,

40:48

I'll bet you were. Yeah, I'll

40:51

bet.

40:53

I just wanted to get out

40:56

of there. As fast

40:58

as I could. As

41:00

safe as I could, I was out of there. I

41:03

wasn't about to stick around. And taking

41:06

a photo of it, there's no way.

41:09

I mean, even somebody that

41:12

was 50 feet away, Paula, would have ran

41:14

and not took a photo of it.

41:16

Oh, of course they would.

41:18

They're big.

41:20

Yes, they are. Before

41:22

we continue with tonight's show, I want to make an announcement.

41:25

I've been in contact with several content creators

41:28

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41:30

I've arranged what I call five nights of dogmen

41:32

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41:34

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41:37

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41:40

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41:44

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41:49

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42:01

All right, back to tonight's show.

42:04

At the start of the show, you said that you don't go

42:06

out after dark. Is that because of that

42:08

encounter or another reason?

42:11

No reason I don't

42:13

go at night because of, uh, alien

42:16

encounters I had in the past. So

42:19

I don't drive at night whatsoever. Street

42:22

lights scare me because I don't know

42:25

if it's really a street light or something

42:27

else. If it's a different

42:29

type of light, that's showing

42:31

out. But yeah,

42:33

I don't, uh, I have to be

42:36

home before I get start. Only

42:38

time I drive when it's dark

42:40

is going to work and that's early in morning.

42:44

So yeah,

42:46

cause I have to be at work at six.

42:49

So that's the only time I ever drive at

42:52

night whatsoever. Anywhere

42:54

I go to have to plan to be at

42:56

home before we get start, everybody knows that

42:59

all family members, all my friends. So

43:03

I don't even drive far anymore.

43:06

If I do, I know I have to time it and

43:08

I got a place to stay once I'm there. But

43:11

I drive in at night. No way. I

43:13

haven't done that since the encounters I

43:16

had.

43:18

Yeah. Considering those encounters and experiences,

43:20

I don't blame me for not going out after dark.

43:23

And speaking of those, you're featured in a documentary

43:26

called 10 11 02 due to those experiences.

43:29

What more can you tell us about it?

43:32

Well, there's some stuff that are missing

43:34

because a lack of time.

43:38

The most we could go was a one

43:40

hour, 59 minutes. The

43:42

movie's about 55 minutes,

43:45

something seconds. I forgot. But

43:47

if we put everything in there that we

43:50

wanted to, Paul would have been another

43:52

hour. And, uh,

43:57

yeah, there's a lot of stuff that will make more

43:59

sense. on the movie, if everything

44:03

else was on there. I'll

44:05

give you some short little stories. It

44:08

was three of us. Yeah, and everybody

44:10

out there, check out the movie. It's called 10-11-02. Write

44:14

down the letters, not the numbers. And

44:17

you'll see it in there. Yeah,

44:22

after we came back and everything, Kenneth,

44:26

he drove with me, because I'm the one that picked him up. And

44:30

as soon as I took him to the house, he lived upstairs,

44:32

well, apartment.

44:34

He didn't even get his items out of my

44:36

vehicle. He got out, he

44:38

ran,

44:39

and started calling

44:42

out his girlfriend's name. She

44:44

opened up the door. Soon as he got

44:46

in, and I was behind him, he

44:49

started taking off his clothes. He

44:51

left his underwear on, but he started

44:54

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44:56

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She's laughing, you know, she didn't know what

46:35

was going on. And

46:37

so she's seen his face that, you know,

46:39

he was serious. And I looked

46:41

at her, I go, yeah, check him. He goes,

46:44

some weird stuff happened up there. And

46:49

yeah, he's yelling and she's

46:52

checking every part of his body. If

46:55

there's any marks or anything like

46:57

that. And

46:59

that was the last time he went with us. He

47:02

loves the mountains. He was from Seattle,

47:05

Washington. Matter of fact, he

47:07

had UFOs chase

47:09

him while he lived up there,

47:11

while he was on the back end of a motorcycle

47:14

in Seattle. And

47:17

he told me that they were going down the road

47:19

and the CFO was right behind

47:22

him. And above him. And

47:25

as they were going down the street, he was yelling at

47:27

people. UFO, UFO. He's

47:29

pointing behind him. But

47:32

by that time, it was already gone. But

47:35

it was after him right

47:38

before they got to Seattle. So

47:40

they were still in the country. And

47:45

yeah, he started yelling when they got to the

47:47

first streetlight. But

47:50

yeah, he had some

47:52

encounters over there. But yeah,

47:54

after that trip, he didn't

47:57

hang out with us.

47:59

Uh,

48:01

he didn't want to talk about it whatsoever.

48:05

He ended up getting a cancer and

48:07

we don't know if that has to do with it. What

48:12

happened to the trip or not. We

48:14

have no idea, but

48:17

yeah, he passed away. And,

48:20

um, yeah,

48:22

poor guy, real cool

48:24

guy.

48:26

Sounds like it really went through it. Yeah.

48:28

Yeah. He just likes the mountains

48:32

outdoors. He likes a lot of Indian stuff.

48:35

He used to make things that give it to me.

48:38

And, uh, he's like gold panty, which

48:40

I do also at times when

48:42

I do have time I go and

48:45

always end up finding more gold in him. And he

48:47

used to get mad at me. Look

48:52

what I found. Kenneth, but,

48:56

uh, yeah, I used to tease him like that,

48:58

but yeah, after that, he wasn't the same

49:01

Ken was in the same also

49:03

for a while. Now he's back to normal. Took

49:07

a while, but yeah, on the film where you

49:09

see his eyes all bugged out and everything.

49:11

That's when he was in shock. Uh,

49:14

he was like that for quite a while. And

49:19

I was kind of used to it. So he didn't

49:22

affect me as bad as Kim. But

49:26

on the film, when it first starts, you can see

49:28

his eyes are all bugged out. He's

49:30

talking really fast. Normally

49:33

that's not him.

49:35

That's a different clean.

49:37

Yeah. He was still in shock.

49:39

And

49:41

that's all he wanted to talk about was

49:43

that trip.

49:44

And I got tired of

49:46

talking about it, you know,

49:48

but, uh,

49:50

it happened,

49:52

but you know, it affects me in different ways. You

49:54

know, I can't drive a night. He could, he

49:57

bought a house up in the mountains, which

49:59

I would. have. Wow.

50:02

He

50:03

ended up selling

50:05

it later but yeah

50:08

I mean it was it was sort of like his way

50:11

of facing the truth

50:15

being back up at the mountains and living

50:17

there. We went camping one

50:20

time after that trip the same

50:22

place just to face

50:24

our fears. We only

50:26

lasted one night. Nothing happened. It

50:29

was just too eerie. Didn't

50:31

feel comfortable no more. We

50:34

just packed up in the morning you know we're

50:36

gone. But what

50:41

I do well what I did over

50:43

there I made an alien

50:45

rock man. So with granite rocks

50:48

are in that area I made

50:52

on the ground I made an alien

50:55

with rocks. So every

50:57

time I go up there I'll fix

51:00

the rocks in the right place because

51:02

the snow and rain will move the rocks

51:04

around. But yeah I always

51:06

end up fixing it and now

51:10

I know a couple

51:12

people that go up there that we met up

51:14

there by accident they recognized me

51:18

and we showed them the spot. They

51:20

thought that was a spot. So

51:23

we end up having a barbecue there

51:25

him and all his buddies and

51:27

ended up they had a youthful

51:29

encounter during that night. So

51:32

they were telling me about it telling me

51:34

and Ken about it and

51:38

one of the guys just walked away I go what's wrong

51:40

with him because he doesn't want to hear it. He

51:42

goes he got mad at us because he wanted to

51:45

leave last night because of the

51:47

lights and they drew I don't

51:49

know where they drove from but it was a lot harder

51:51

than we did and he goes

51:53

no we just got here we're not leaving because of

51:55

some light. So he didn't

51:57

want to hear our story in a

53:57

side.

54:00

So I wouldn't hear nothing. And

54:03

he did the same thing. So

54:06

yeah, we're never together.

54:08

That's a really good idea. Yeah.

54:11

The name of the documentary is 101102, like we said, and

54:15

I'm going to put a link to it in the description for

54:17

tonight's show. That'll make it real easy

54:19

to find. But having

54:22

said that, it's about time for us to get out of here.

54:24

But before we do, do you have any closing

54:26

comments you'd like to share?

54:30

Yeah. There's

54:32

a lot of

54:35

things out there or energy or,

54:37

you know, different dimensions

54:39

that we're not aware of. Some

54:41

people are aware of it, you know, that's really

54:43

sensitive. And I call myself

54:46

pretty sensitive, but not compared to

54:48

a lot of other people. But

54:51

if you get a bad sense not to

54:53

be in a certain area, don't

54:56

fight it. Use your senses. If

54:58

it says not to go there, don't go there.

55:02

That's your human part

55:05

trying to tell you that

55:07

there's something wrong. Yeah,

55:10

just be safe. Always tell people where

55:12

you're going. Never go alone.

55:15

Give them a timetable when you may be

55:17

back. They're a rough

55:19

idea. But

55:22

always go by your senses at all

55:24

times.

55:27

Less goes on.

55:28

You just how you handle it later.

55:31

As for me, I handle it by not going

55:34

out at night at all. So

55:37

that's my fear factor right there.

55:40

But

55:42

yeah, you just go day by day, keep going on with

55:45

your life. But always

55:47

remember there's something else out there that

55:49

we're not aware of. That's

55:51

right. There always is. If

55:54

you've had a dog being encountered, would like to speak

55:56

with me about it, whether in private or on the show,

55:59

please go to dog. me on encounters.com

56:01

and submit a report. If you've

56:03

had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest

56:05

on one of my two Bigfoot shows, please

56:08

go to mybigfootsighting.com. Well,

56:11

it goes without saying, I sure hope someday

56:14

you can go back out at nighttime and not

56:16

be so anxious about what might happen

56:19

or what might be out there, but please

56:21

don't rush it. But having said

56:23

that, I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing

56:25

the details of your encounter with us. I

56:27

really appreciate it.

56:29

Pleasure meeting you. Well, it

56:31

was great to meet you.

56:33

Thanks again so much for your time and have

56:35

a great night.

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