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2:53

Donna. Please give us a brief

2:55

file and self. Okay,

2:59

I let alone in in my sixties. And.

3:03

I love all times animals. Every animal in

3:05

the world. And.

3:08

I had no sodium as

3:10

a lifetime of different types

3:12

of paranormal experiences. And

3:14

so because of that I kinda

3:17

got used to I'm. Saying basically

3:19

had no fear rev most

3:21

thing. Of course,

3:23

until this happened. Since

3:25

was entirely different. And

3:28

that's why I this said it reads

3:30

out to you. And

3:33

because he had helped so many other people in,

3:35

I. Thought. It was time for me to.

3:38

Reach. Out. It is

3:40

as different not set like to. See.

3:44

A with like any other thing. Is.

3:47

Your was different. He. I mean. Life

3:49

can prepare you for pretty much almost anything

3:51

but. Haven't experienced like

3:53

this. Yeah. You're definitely

3:55

never prepared for it, so

3:57

that's understandable. down the

3:59

your living in Arizona now but you're living

4:01

on a property in California where you had

4:03

your encounter. What can you tell us about

4:05

that property? Well

4:09

the area where I live now is

4:12

in Arizona and it's very

4:14

rural but the

4:16

experiences that will happen back

4:18

in 2000 was

4:23

actually where we had left

4:26

our property here to do a job

4:30

for a man that lived

4:32

in Southern California and

4:34

we spent six months living there even

4:37

though we still had our place in Arizona we

4:40

spent six months living there so that's

4:44

actually where it happened and it

4:47

was a part of Southern

4:49

California that is actually

4:52

secluded in comparison to a lot

4:55

of Southern California because

4:57

there's a lot of orchards

4:59

there primarily avocado orchards

5:02

so even though you

5:04

do have suburbs near each other there

5:06

it's choppy there's

5:08

a house a lot of orchards and then a

5:10

house and a lot of orchards that kind of

5:12

thing so

5:15

that's kind of like the geographic description

5:17

of the area and it's hilly it's

5:19

in the upper heels it's not down

5:21

in the valley and it's not along

5:23

the beach as it's inland and it's

5:26

right along the edge of the mountains

5:28

the San Bernardino Mountain the

5:31

Los Angeles Mountain Regents that

5:33

area of Southern California so

5:35

it's not that far from the mountains and

5:39

that's basically the geographical

5:41

description that I can give. Yeah

5:44

sounds like a beautiful area it's just a shame you

5:46

have to have an experience like the one you're gonna

5:48

tell us about tonight. You

5:51

still wonder to this day of what you

5:53

experienced years ago was a dog name that

5:55

paid you an unwanted visit or some kind

5:57

of a haunting which one would be worse

5:59

in your opinion. you know. Dogman. Dogman.

6:03

Without a doubt. That's the worst. That's

6:08

why when I realized that's what

6:11

it was, I could

6:16

cope with a honey half. As

6:20

terrorizing as it was, I could

6:24

always say my

6:26

prayers and this dogman would

6:29

be worth it. Way worse. Yeah,

6:32

I figured you would answer it that way. What

6:35

kind of an effect does the encounter you're going to

6:37

tell us about tonight had in your life, Donna? Since

6:42

I recognized that

6:44

it actually was Dogman, I

6:48

had a real hard time. It

6:52

actually did a lot. It

6:55

affected me because we

6:58

go in and out of denial. No,

7:01

that's not what it was, but then I had

7:04

to finally contact

7:07

you because I

7:09

knew that you were very experienced. That you

7:11

knew. If it wasn't Dogman, you

7:13

would tell me, oh no, Donna. Yeah,

7:15

you're right. It wasn't that. But

7:17

you validated that, yeah, it was one

7:19

of these guys, all right. Even

7:23

before you verified to

7:25

me, from my own mind, I

7:29

couldn't process it. I would go back and

7:31

forth. I would go from, no, that

7:34

wasn't what it was to, yeah, that's the only thing

7:36

it could have been. Thinking

7:40

that, like I said, a

7:43

haunting would be so much better to just say,

7:45

oh, that's a haunted house hundreds

7:47

and hundreds of miles from here. I never have

7:49

to go back there ever again. That's

7:52

not the case. It's something

7:54

else and it's something that can

7:56

be anywhere, anytime on the planet,

7:58

anywhere. And

8:00

that's not

8:03

good. I

8:06

mean, when I thought it was just a haunted house, hauntings,

8:09

I was hundreds of miles away from

8:11

it. So I'm here and I could go outside

8:13

at night, look at the stars, look

8:16

at the beautiful moon. In the summertime,

8:18

I could open my

8:20

windows at night and sleep with the windows

8:22

all open. But then

8:24

after I realized what it

8:27

was and that it could be anywhere, anytime, then

8:29

I don't go out. As

8:31

soon as that sun peaks the top of

8:33

the mountains to the west of me, I am indoors.

8:35

And I do not get it. I don't care what

8:38

noise I hear. I don't care what. I don't go

8:40

outside for nothing until that sun

8:42

rises in the morning. And I never

8:45

sleep with my windows open

8:48

anymore. I have the screen and

8:50

then I have like that hardware.

8:52

It's not bars, but it's a

8:54

caging type material that's on my

8:56

windows. So the cats

8:58

cannot scratch and get out and go get

9:01

killed, right? But it would never stop

9:03

a dog man from tearing the window right

9:05

out of the wall. And so

9:08

I don't sleep with my windows open anymore.

9:10

Even though it gets, I

9:12

just open the windows and let the breeze flow through

9:14

at night and sleep peacefully,

9:16

but now I have a higher electric bill because

9:19

I run the air conditioner in the summer at

9:21

night. I don't open my windows anymore at night.

9:24

So I mean, if I just

9:26

shut the windows, I'm going to have to run the

9:28

AC because here in Arizona where I

9:30

live, you can't sleep inside without the windows open

9:32

at night unless you have the AC on. And

9:35

even though I live in the northern part

9:37

of Arizona where it actually snows in the

9:39

winter, but it

9:41

still gets really hot in the summer and

9:44

sometimes humid because of the monsoons

9:46

that come in the summer. So

9:49

it's not comfortable at night

9:51

in the summer if you don't

9:54

have the AC on if your windows are

9:56

closed. So I can't

9:58

sleep with the windows. open

10:01

anymore. And I just

10:04

make sure all the drapes are shut up. I

10:07

can't see out, nothing can see in. So

10:10

I mean, it's put a fear in

10:12

me. It's put a definite fear in

10:14

my lifestyle. But since

10:19

you told me when we talked, the

10:22

seven word mantra, but it

10:24

didn't want to hurt me. I

10:27

say that out loud even I say it in my mind and

10:30

I say it out loud. That

10:33

helps a lot because it

10:36

so easily could have hurt me, but

10:38

didn't. I was right within its

10:41

grip and it didn't. So

10:43

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10:45

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Lifestyle choices. If I have an appointment in

11:23

town with somebody in their doctor or whatever

11:25

and they say we're going to schedule it

11:27

for four o'clock, I'll say, nope, can't do it

11:29

because it means I'll be driving home in the

11:32

dark. Won't do it. Won't drive home in the

11:34

dark. Won't pull in my into

11:36

my property at night. Get out of the car and

11:38

walk from the car to the nope, not doing it. I'm not.

11:41

Yeah. Lifestyle choices have changed a

11:43

great deal. And I've

11:45

never been afraid of the wildlife out here,

11:47

whatever there might be out there. I don't

11:50

worry that I'm going to get hurt by the local

11:53

coyote group or not. I mean, I just know

11:57

it has changed a lot of the way I

11:59

live. or choose to do things.

12:02

I can understand how it would change the way you live

12:04

your life, but please

12:06

do remember those seven magic words that I

12:09

told you in. As long as

12:11

you remember them and keep saying them to yourself,

12:13

that'll definitely help snap you back to reality, so

12:15

you can deal with this in a healthy way.

12:18

But if you're ready now and there's no

12:21

rush to do it, but like

12:23

I said, if you're ready to tell us

12:25

about your encounter now, please do so. Give

12:27

us every last detail that comes to mind.

12:31

Okay, well, it

12:33

all started when Paul

12:36

accepted a job offer.

12:41

And this was going to

12:43

be in Southern California and we

12:46

lived in Northern Arizona, and so

12:48

it was not

12:50

something we wanted to do, but it was really

12:54

good, good pay and for that

12:56

time era, maybe not so

12:58

much for the 2024, but for 1999 it was really good. And

13:02

the idea was that we didn't want to go to work

13:04

somewhere where we were going to have to pay rent because

13:07

we were going to have to be there for six months.

13:09

But the man said, okay, well,

13:12

we got this guest house and you can stay

13:14

in the guest house the whole time. So

13:17

you can stay right on the job site

13:19

and the pay will be the same, everything.

13:21

So I

13:23

wasn't working. Paul didn't have anything going on at

13:25

the time. So it

13:27

was like, yeah, let's do this. So we

13:30

went there. It

13:33

was November of 1999 and

13:35

we had Thanksgiving and the

13:37

very following Sunday we

13:41

took off and went there so that we could

13:43

start work on Monday, then

13:45

very Monday after Thanksgiving. So

13:48

we had

13:50

like a Volkswagen hippie van that we used

13:53

to like to travel around in and it

13:55

was set up really nice in there

13:57

with a really good bed and certain

13:59

creature comes. It was really cool. And

14:01

anyway, so we drove in there and we went

14:03

over there. And we got

14:06

there and it was a really nice

14:09

area with a lot of homes

14:11

up there that were, it

14:13

was in the heights, so it was

14:16

really nice, nice homes up there. But

14:19

they were spaced far apart from each other.

14:23

And there was like avocado orchards

14:25

everywhere and hilly

14:28

areas. And

14:30

it was up in the hills, not

14:33

up in the mountains, but it was on the hills

14:35

before you get up to the mountain range. And it

14:38

was very beautiful. And the guest house was,

14:40

oh my God, it was, I should have

14:42

been happy because if I had

14:44

a million dollars or a billion dollars to build

14:46

my dream, I would build it just like that

14:48

guest house and I would put the landscaping and

14:51

everything like it was because it was just like

14:53

a fairy tale land. Beautiful flowers

14:55

and nasturtions along the trails. And oh

14:57

gosh, it was gorgeous. And you never

14:59

felt like you were near a city

15:01

because it was so secluded. But

15:04

I was real happy. Guest

15:06

house was so nice. So

15:10

we got there on that Sunday and

15:13

we got everything ready and moved

15:15

into the guest house. Wanted

15:18

to go to bed early that night because you know

15:20

how it is. If you can start to do jobs

15:22

next morning, you want the boss of man to be

15:24

impressed. So Paul was all about doing

15:27

the best he could. He was a good

15:30

worker. So he

15:32

needed to get to bed. And so we went to

15:34

bed and middle of

15:36

the night, I woke

15:38

up in terror like I have

15:40

never known. I have

15:43

never known this terror, this level

15:45

where I couldn't even breathe. I

15:47

mean, I was being suffocated like

15:49

I had an elephant on my chest and

15:51

I was like shook

15:54

into the very core and I was like just

15:57

praying, Oh Lord, Lord Jesus. I do all the. prayers

16:00

in the world wasn't taking that tear out

16:02

of me. And I thought, okay, this is

16:04

this is okay. This is the passing thing, and I'm

16:06

going to be okay. And, and I

16:09

didn't understand. And I thought, if I have an heart

16:11

attack, is this what heart attack feels like? But, you

16:14

know, I decided to just stay calm. I didn't want to disturb

16:16

Paul. He was sleeping

16:18

peacefully. So I just finally got

16:20

to where I could rest and fall back

16:23

to sleep. And then I couldn't sleep

16:25

for more than 10 minutes.

16:27

And I get shook and awoke again

16:29

with this. Just

16:31

this whole I can't even there isn't

16:34

even a word, you know, you need

16:36

a new word for the word terror, because

16:38

there's no word that I can think of

16:40

that could describe what it felt like. And

16:43

it was all there was a

16:45

game, right? Oh, everything all over me

16:48

again. And I was like, this is what is

16:50

happening, what is happening? And I felt like, okay,

16:52

there's a demon in this house. It has to

16:54

be some demonic thing in this house. This house

16:56

is a demonized house. Because you know, my background,

16:59

thinking everything that goes bump in the night that's

17:02

evil, to this degree, is

17:04

from hell. It's not just a wandering

17:06

spirit or a ghost. This is this

17:09

is beyond any ghostly anything I've ever.

17:11

So I'm thinking this is a haunted

17:13

house with a hunt. And I'm

17:15

like, Oh, gosh, you know, and I'm just praying. And then

17:19

I finally got to sleep that

17:21

night. But then about two

17:24

or three in the morning, I can't remember, I don't

17:26

think I even looked the clock. But it

17:28

was after I'd gone to sleep, and finally

17:30

was starting to sleep and getting good sleep.

17:32

All of a sudden, Paul and I both

17:34

we woke up by wrapping on the windows

17:36

and rattling of the doors. And

17:38

the door is of the guest house,

17:40

we're like the kind that open there's

17:42

two doors together. And I think they're

17:44

called French doors, there's two doors together.

17:46

And they have all these window panes

17:48

in them. And they're really

17:51

cool windows and they open up. Both

17:53

doors will open up or just one and all these

17:55

window panes. And it was

17:57

rattling like someone had a hold of the doorknob to

18:00

shaking and shaking violently, just

18:02

violently. And we're laying there

18:05

and Paul said, just stay in bed, just

18:07

stay there. And I

18:09

don't know if he had some thing

18:12

in his head like a plan, if something broke

18:14

through, like a person broke through there, if he

18:17

had a plan in mind of like

18:19

if there was going to be an invasion or something. I

18:22

mean, he had a lot of experience and survival

18:24

at Vietnam. So I was

18:26

thinking, okay, it's going to be okay. And I

18:28

was praying for protection for whatever it was. And

18:31

it's just rattling and rattling. And then there was

18:34

windows next to the

18:36

bed that were kind of magical

18:39

storybook window types that opened out

18:41

and to the beautiful rose

18:43

bushes and bougainvillea. And it was really

18:45

magical that there was tapping. And we

18:48

had the mini blinds pulled down and

18:51

I was like, well, what could get through all

18:53

those bushes to get up to the window to

18:55

start tapping on the window? And

18:58

we just went, okay, we're just going to lay here.

19:00

And finally it stopped. And

19:03

it's like, that was so crazy. That

19:06

was just so crazy. And we're like, okay,

19:08

it doesn't make sense that

19:10

a person would, you know, come

19:12

from the main road and walk down the hill down

19:15

to where the guest house was just to

19:17

pick on people. I mean,

19:20

I don't even know how many people would

19:22

have even known it was there, but because

19:24

it was occluded in the trees. Anyway, that

19:26

just freaked me out. So

19:28

the next day went around

19:31

our business. We're day

19:33

went pretty good. And that night when we went back

19:35

to bed, it happened again. So

19:39

all of a sudden I feel like

19:41

there's an elephant on. And I'm thinking

19:43

this horror, terrible, terrible. I can explain

19:45

this fear. And then there's

19:47

all the rattling and banging on the doors

19:49

and terrible rattling and shaking. And I was

19:51

like in shock that the pains in the

19:53

glass didn't break. And the

19:55

tapping on the window. And

19:57

I Would like. Where

20:01

again we just lay there and then

20:03

we talked about it. And.

20:06

I said, you know what? Far.

20:08

This houses on it is how fast the be on

20:10

it. And. She agreed with

20:12

me and that because you know, Paul had

20:14

enough experiences that he was like okay, yeah,

20:16

that could very well be size and weight

20:18

was his choice to in the van. Serve.

20:21

So the next night we slept in

20:23

the van and we would take advantage

20:25

of them creature comforts of the cabin

20:27

during the day that at night we

20:29

would. Go. Into the man said

20:32

you are sleeping. Well.

20:35

So. I would have been the second morning.

20:37

So. The second warning that we are there,

20:39

which I guess would have been Tuesday. Morning.

20:43

May we are Anyway, So the boss

20:45

man was walking by. I

20:47

don't want to say his name because he's a pretty prominent.

20:50

Name is. So. He.

20:52

Can walk combine he looked oddly up man

20:55

he said. Did you sleeping As an

20:57

and I was like. He as

20:59

an issue he was who is

21:01

there anything wrong with a guest

21:03

house. Is too cold in their.

21:06

Do. You need. More blankets it you need

21:08

a heater and I said no no

21:11

it's fine it's just you know his

21:13

ago were you sleeping in your room

21:15

in. My

21:17

I do on a say it but finally I was

21:19

like you know it I gotta tell him. So.

21:23

I said. Well.

21:27

Since. Yes, house is haunted. Assaulted.

21:32

He looked at me. That.

21:34

The way he looked at me was

21:36

not like and surprise like law in

21:38

a it was like that when I

21:40

could gather was that she'd heard that

21:42

before. And he said

21:44

to me. Well. My

21:47

wife. Still, he and his wife was in

21:49

there anywhere around the time for different reasons.

21:52

But anyway, he said. Did. She tell

21:54

you what happened in that house. and

21:57

i said no nobody talked to me about the

21:59

house at all. And he said,

22:01

huh, okay, all right.

22:03

And then he went on about his business

22:06

like, okay, whatever. But what I

22:08

gathered from that was the way he acted

22:10

was that he probably heard stories from her.

22:13

But because it was his wife, he

22:15

probably just disregarded it and thought, Oh,

22:18

well, whatever. But now hearing it from

22:20

an outsider made him

22:22

stop, you know, made him gave him pause

22:24

to stop and say, huh, what

22:28

is, you know, because he was

22:31

not shocked to hear somebody

22:33

say that guest house is haunted. Well,

22:38

later on that afternoon, the son and daughter

22:40

in law have come to visit. And

22:43

later on the afternoon, the daughter in line introduced

22:46

herself to me and everything. And he says, she says,

22:48

Oh, by the way, boss man, she

22:51

doesn't call him boss man. I do. By

22:53

the way, boss man told me that you told

22:55

him about the guest house that the guest house

22:57

was haunted. And I said, Yeah, I told him.

23:00

And she said, Wow. She said,

23:02

is it like you're so terrified? You

23:04

can't breathe like something's on your chest?

23:06

And I'm like, Yeah. And she goes

23:08

in the doors, rattling stuff. And I'm

23:10

like, Yeah, exactly. And she

23:13

goes, Whoa, man, she goes, Yeah, I

23:15

can't sleep in there. When we

23:17

come to visit, we can't stay in there. We stay at

23:19

the main house. And daughter can't

23:21

either their daughter, when she comes, she won't

23:23

stay in there. We won't stay in that

23:25

guest house. And

23:28

I'm like, Okay, so

23:30

then I'm thinking so the guest house is

23:32

haunted. So I wasn't wrong.

23:34

There is something about that. And they know

23:36

it. So I thought, well, there it is.

23:40

So I just went on thinking I was connected

23:42

to a haunted house and that we were staying

23:44

in a haunted house. That's what I thought. And

23:48

all the time, that I

23:51

would take advantage of in the

23:53

daytime, because I was writing and

23:55

I would go in there and

23:57

sit down at the table to write. Well, Paul would go

24:00

up the hill to the grandma's house where

24:02

most of the work was, he

24:04

would go up there and be working. Unless

24:08

he needed me for some specific things, I would

24:10

stay down below. I

24:12

would do my riding and I

24:15

would just be staying

24:17

there at the guest house during the day. I would

24:19

try to take walks in the

24:21

orchards and stuff, but there would

24:23

be tapping even in the day. A

24:26

lot of those Southern California houses when

24:28

they're on the hills area, they're

24:30

built off of a slope. The

24:33

way this was was that the front

24:36

part of the house where

24:38

you come up the road

24:40

and you come up to it, it's kind of up

24:42

on a level. But if you're

24:44

on the outside of the cabin, you have to

24:46

walk downhill to the back of the

24:49

cabin because it's built up

24:51

above the ground on, I don't

24:53

know what you call that, but I'm sure people

24:55

are familiar with that when the whole house is

24:57

not on level ground. So the

24:59

bedroom windows and the

25:02

kitchen and bathroom windows were up

25:04

high. The front windows

25:06

were average ground level style windows, but

25:08

to the back, the

25:10

windows were up high. So I

25:13

never had a problem with leaving

25:15

those windows open for air and

25:17

ventilation, the bathroom window and the

25:20

kitchen window. But I

25:22

would be sitting at the table at

25:24

the kitchen area doing my writing

25:27

and stuff and

25:29

some bookkeeping style work and stuff that I

25:31

could do of my own. And

25:35

then there'd

25:37

be some rattling at the door and some

25:39

tapping on the glass. And

25:41

I would totally ignore it because

25:43

I knew who was home and who

25:46

wasn't. And I knew that the

25:49

boss man wasn't there and daughter

25:51

wasn't there, son-in-law and daughter-in-law weren't anywhere around

25:53

and nobody should be doing that and I

25:56

wasn't going to go checking it out. But

25:59

when it would stop, and I would have to

26:01

go around and pass those doors so I could

26:03

go around to get to the bathroom area. I

26:06

had to walk by there and there was a slobber

26:08

on the window. Slobber is all over the glass. And

26:12

I would be like, what's with this slobber? And I open

26:14

the door and look, and it would

26:16

be up high. Like, I'm five foot two and

26:18

I would have to like stand and stretch and

26:20

reach my hand up as high as I could

26:22

to touch the top of the front doorframe. So

26:26

somebody would have to be pretty tall to

26:28

get slobber up there on the glass so

26:31

high up. And I

26:33

was like, why is this slob like

26:35

mucus stuff? And then I thought, oh,

26:37

I've heard of ectoplasm. Maybe it's ectoplasm.

26:40

That's what I thought. I

26:42

had to come up with an idea, you know, what

26:44

it could be because I was trying to figure it

26:46

out. And since it's a haunted house, why not be

26:48

ectoplasm? So that's what I was thinking.

26:51

So then I would clean the

26:54

window. And go

26:56

back to what I was doing.

26:58

And this happened all

27:01

the time. It kept happening. And

27:04

then, oh, another thing that would happen was when

27:07

I'd be there, in the

27:09

back of my head, I would hear

27:11

this voice. This was inside my head.

27:14

And it would say, turn around.

27:16

And I wouldn't. I think, well, I don't know

27:18

where that came from. And I guess

27:21

you would kind of call that mind speak, but

27:23

I'm not sure. I couldn't

27:27

be positive of that. But then it

27:29

would go, there is someone standing

27:34

behind you. Turn

27:36

around, look at me. And

27:39

I'd be like, oh

27:41

my god, every hair on the back of my neck would

27:43

stand up and I get a chill down my back. And

27:46

I'm like, oh my god, oh god,

27:48

that's just I mean, that's just no,

27:50

no, no, no, no, no. I

27:53

can't. I just can't. But I thought,

27:55

okay, okay, goes. Okay, goes. Yeah, yeah,

27:57

yeah, whatever. I'm not turning around.

27:59

I'm not going to listen to that. But

28:02

it can happen every day, several times a

28:04

day, every single day. And

28:06

it especially would happen when I would go into the

28:08

bathroom. Or anyway,

28:10

so it was

28:12

even to the point where if you had to go to the restroom in

28:15

the middle of the night, you would hold it and I would

28:17

go in in the day. When we wound up in the

28:19

morning, I'd go because I didn't even want to leave the

28:21

van to go inside to use the restroom. Make sure you

28:23

got to get your potty in done before we hit the

28:25

van. Yeah, it

28:27

was so bad. But anyway, so every

28:30

day, Paul would come back

28:32

and I would show him the slobber on the

28:34

window and he just kind of go, oh, oh,

28:36

oh, you know, with his tongue and his cheek,

28:38

like, oh, oh, oh, like he's trying to figure

28:40

out it too. You know, like, well, somebody's doing

28:42

it. But we

28:45

thought, well, we don't know. But

28:48

when I would go, I would want to go

28:50

for a walk in the beautiful orchard.

28:52

And there was like the trail with

28:54

the nasturtiums growing on either side and

28:56

wildflowers and just beautiful. But

28:59

I always felt like I was being

29:01

followed. But they had a little bulldog, kind

29:04

of a little bulldog named Rocky, that was

29:06

not a big pitbull type,

29:08

but kind of a smaller version of a

29:10

pitbull. But the Rocky would

29:12

walk with me. I felt like it was okay.

29:15

And you know, Rocky hung out a lot with me

29:18

when I was there and made

29:20

it nicer. And they had

29:22

all kinds of cats. But their cats and

29:25

Rocky would disappear. Like, she'd get a

29:27

cat. They loved animals too. And the

29:29

daughter-in-law would come and she'd

29:31

bring a cat. And her cat

29:34

would just disappear. There

29:36

were several of them. Feral,

29:39

Diablo, Oblio,

29:42

Bagheera, Monkey, Serv... I mean, there was a

29:45

doll that was a beautiful calico. And they

29:47

would just disappear. And

29:49

you would go looking for them. And

29:52

they were just gone. And they never showed

29:54

up again. And eventually the little dog

29:56

Rocky disappeared. And nobody ever knew

29:58

what happened to Rocky. And that was

30:01

just kind of a mystery. Oh, and there was a cat, Paul

30:03

named the cat 83. He said

30:05

it took 83 cats to get that cat with all

30:07

those colors. So,

30:10

yeah, all these animals

30:12

were disappearing without an explanation. And

30:16

they said, oh, well, it's probably coyotes. There might

30:19

be coyotes in the orchard or coyotes come down

30:21

from the hills. But I

30:23

accepted that. I said,

30:25

OK, yeah, but where I live right now, we

30:27

have coyotes. And I have been

30:29

woken up in the dead of night from

30:31

coyotes, cats and something. They are loud. I

30:34

mean, they're like, they go into a frenzy

30:36

and they are so loud and loud enough

30:39

to wake the dead. And you would have

30:41

thought that if it was coyotes getting their

30:43

animals that you would

30:45

have heard something. But never, ever did

30:48

we ever hear anything or any signs

30:50

of coyotes. But yet that was the

30:52

accepted explanation for why the animals disappeared.

30:57

Anyway, so this went on. And

31:01

finally, see, people

31:04

that I know and I mean, would

31:06

tell me you could expel an

31:08

evil spirit from the house. Well,

31:11

that's true. And I believe that you can. And I've

31:13

had experiences doing that. But there is

31:15

something that you have to do. And

31:19

if you don't do it, and I

31:22

don't want to get religious on people, but it's right in their

31:24

Bible, when a wandering spirit

31:27

goes wandering the earth, looking for a house

31:29

to move into and

31:31

it finds one and it moves in. If you

31:33

cast it out and you don't

31:35

replace it with what needs to be replaced, then

31:38

it will come back. When it sees the house

31:40

empty, it'll come back in and

31:42

bring seven worse than it was with it.

31:44

And I've seen that played out in life.

31:46

That was something I didn't share with you

31:48

earlier. But yeah, I have seen

31:50

it played out where something happened and the

31:52

person didn't. And then it got worse. So

31:55

there was no way that I was going to

31:57

even though I believed that at the time it was

31:59

an evil. spirit, I was not

32:01

going to cast it out and then drive

32:03

merrily home to Arizona, leaving these people with

32:06

a swept clean place, if

32:08

you know what I mean. So I was just going to tolerate

32:10

it and just keep myself and

32:12

Paul protected until we was

32:14

all over. And then

32:17

one day he said, he's going to take that

32:19

Saturday off and we're going to go somewhere and

32:21

do something. And I was all happy. And so

32:25

the Friday night came and we were going to

32:27

go out to eat when he got done. So

32:29

I went to get ready and be completely ready.

32:31

So when he got home, all he had to

32:33

do was shower and get ready. So

32:36

I went into the bathroom and the bathroom,

32:39

the window was high up from the ground

32:41

because it was towards the back of the

32:43

house. And so I

32:45

always had that window open and it was

32:47

a wide window that went up and down.

32:51

So I had a stick basically to hold it to keep

32:53

it from falling close. So I had it

32:55

open because it got stuffy in that bathroom. So when

32:58

you first walk in the bathroom to

33:00

your left is the counter mirror, a

33:02

big long mirror and to the right

33:04

is wall, nothing but wall. And

33:07

the door bumps into the wall. The

33:09

space between the edge of the counter and the window

33:11

are basically the width of a

33:14

door. So it's just a

33:16

narrow area. So I went in

33:18

there and got my shower and stuff done. And when

33:20

I got out of the shower and I went to

33:23

the mirror and I'm looking in the mirror, you know,

33:25

you're going to dry yourself off and comb your hair

33:27

and all that. I'm

33:29

looking in the mirror and there's

33:32

these two huge

33:35

werewolf claws in

33:38

the mirror. I

33:41

was looking at that and trying to process

33:43

it. And I get nauseated.

33:46

I'm literally getting nauseated right now just

33:48

even talking about it. But at

33:53

the time being a

33:56

believer in ghosts,

33:59

having a mind that this was a haunted house

34:01

and nothing else. That's what it is.

34:05

Having that mindset, I'm

34:08

looking at the mirror and I'm thinking,

34:10

okay, ghost, now

34:12

you're going to show me something inside the

34:14

mirror. And I'm thinking that to

34:16

myself and I'm like, but I'm

34:19

still befuddled. I'm

34:22

confused and I'm just

34:25

trying to figure this out.

34:28

It's like, and I

34:30

was thinking my brain was saying this

34:32

is inside of the mirror. And

34:34

it looked like they were trying to come out

34:36

of the mirror and grab me. They were in

34:38

that position, two ungodly,

34:41

horrible werewolf

34:46

hands. And the wrist, it

34:48

just was like they were coming. And

34:50

I thought they were coming out

34:53

of the mirror, like they were inside the mirror

34:56

and another dimension like Alice in Wonderland falls in

34:58

and out of a mirror like that. I mean,

35:00

I was literally thinking that way, which

35:02

is a crazy way to think, but that's literally

35:04

what I was, how I was, how my brain

35:06

was processing this, that this

35:09

thing is going to reach out from inside

35:11

of the mirror and grab me. It was

35:13

clearly werewolf. I

35:16

mean, there's nothing else in the world that it could

35:18

have been. That's the

35:20

only thing that's the only thing it could

35:22

be. There was no other hands that ever

35:24

could, and I didn't watch werewolf

35:28

movies. I saw

35:30

The Wolfman with Lon Chaney Jr. But

35:33

that's about it for me for watching werewolf

35:35

movies. But I

35:37

still recognize that this can only be

35:40

werewolf. It just can't

35:42

be anything else. And I'm looking at it and I was

35:44

like, okay, what the world

35:46

does a werewolf have to do with the

35:48

haunting? This doesn't make sense. This just doesn't

35:50

make sense. How can I

35:53

mean, oh, yeah, what? And I'm

35:55

like, what is the spirit

35:58

trying to tell me? Are they sending me a message? Maybe

36:01

they need help. Maybe they're one of

36:03

these spirits that's haunting, trying to get

36:05

answers or help. Maybe, you

36:07

know, and I'm just going through all these questions

36:09

in my head because that's

36:12

just what my head was doing. And I

36:14

was thinking about what in the world, what

36:16

message would come from a werewolf? I mean,

36:18

what does this have to do with anything?

36:20

This is completely bizarre. What the heck? And

36:23

I was just tripping on it. I

36:25

was just, I'm

36:30

just stuttering, stammering and looking at it and

36:33

trying to process it and thinking how can

36:35

this be? I guess there

36:37

really can be things in another dimension

36:39

through the mirror, through the looking glass.

36:41

Maybe when Lewis Carroll wrote Alice in

36:43

Wonderland, there was something to that. This

36:45

is still how I'm thinking. I'm

36:48

still thinking that way. But

36:51

I hear the van. I

36:56

come out of the bathroom and Paul's coming

36:58

down and he comes in and

37:00

I'm going to show him and

37:02

it's not there and I'm trying to

37:05

explain it to Paul. He's like, oh, okay,

37:07

okay. He's like, I don't know. I

37:10

don't know. And I'm sitting like, well, I don't

37:13

want to leave for you. I want to be,

37:15

so I stayed there in the bathroom while he

37:17

took a shower because I didn't want to leave

37:19

his side. I didn't want to go out

37:21

and sit out. I didn't want to be

37:23

away from him. So at

37:27

that point I thought this is too

37:29

much. This is just too much. And I was

37:33

so scared and frantic that I told

37:36

Paul, I said, I can't stay here

37:38

anymore. I got to go home. And

37:41

he was very understanding

37:44

and he said, okay, that's fine. It's that, you know, you

37:46

don't have to stay. So

37:48

at that point, you

37:50

know, when I talked to you before I said bus, I don't

37:52

know why I said bus. My

37:54

brother and I have a joke about one

37:57

time I called Jack Nicholson, Robin Williams by

37:59

accident. Well I told you I got

38:01

on a bus. it was. It was an Amtrak

38:03

system so parts of me down to the station

38:05

I got on a train came back to Arizona.

38:08

And I was happy. I miss him.

38:10

but I was so happy I was

38:12

never so glad to be away from

38:14

a place in my life I could

38:17

breathe easy I was as a cell

38:19

save with home. Everything was fine, But.

38:22

Then after a few days the boss

38:24

man called me and said please come

38:26

back because we need you. Paul needs

38:29

you, Hear those aspects of the job

38:31

that we need do it to do

38:33

and. Paul. Who's.

38:35

And focusing well without you hear is

38:38

worried about two And I'm like okay

38:40

So he talked me into coming back

38:42

as or didn't want to. Buy.

38:45

Did fall back. On a

38:47

train. Went back and I've finished up. And

38:50

we got done in the middle of

38:52

May. Two thousand. So he's starting November

38:54

of Nine Ninety Nine units. Finish.

38:57

In May of two thousand. And.

38:59

Got. All the losing thought up and

39:01

took off and came home and I

39:04

was so happy and I never ever

39:06

ever ever ever ever wanted it, ever

39:08

ever ever go back there again, Ever.

39:11

So. Time goes on

39:13

and I'm thinking you know till my brother

39:15

in a few other people about the crazy

39:18

hot as hell son flew. That's weird There

39:20

would be well, I had

39:22

a friend. Few.

39:24

Years later he had this friend

39:26

and what we would do his

39:29

sons of that halloween we all

39:31

get together and this one halloween

39:33

she came here. Now we're back

39:36

in Arizona and our property in

39:38

Arizona and this. Sentiment.

39:40

Brought her daughter and son in law

39:42

and since we're remote everything we could

39:44

build a fire and roast marshmallows and

39:47

all that. So we're doing that and

39:49

we decide to sit around a campfire

39:51

until Ghostly story. Because. It's

39:53

only but we have to be true.

39:56

So. each to for the story and then her

39:58

son in law we said well do you

40:00

have a story?" And he said, well, I

40:02

don't have a ghost story, but something weird

40:05

did happen to me once. And

40:07

so we're like, well, just tell us. So he

40:09

didn't want to, but finally he said, okay, okay. So

40:12

he lived in Louisiana as a kid.

40:14

He went as a Boy Scout to

40:17

a camping trip. And one

40:19

night he had to get up and go to the restroom.

40:21

He got out of his tent and he

40:23

went. And then when he came back,

40:25

there was a werewolf standing

40:27

there, just standing there looking at

40:29

him. And to

40:32

this day, I wish that I would

40:34

have drilled him. I wish I would have asked all

40:36

kinds of more questions, but we were

40:38

all stunned because this

40:41

was a true story. He was supposedly

40:43

telling us a true story. And we

40:45

were like, well, that's it for tonight.

40:47

Nobody's ever going to top that one.

40:50

You won the prize. And

40:52

then somehow or other, we wound up

40:54

talking about other things. But

40:56

now I wish I would have asked him a

40:58

lot of more questions. But at the time I

41:00

didn't, I was just stunned that anybody

41:03

ever had something like that happen. Well,

41:08

then what happened was time went by.

41:11

You know, fast forward now

41:13

to 2020. Paul

41:15

passes away fast forward to

41:18

that 2021. Sometime

41:21

in that and a dear

41:23

friend who I've known

41:26

since she was a child. I

41:28

know this woman and she

41:30

is very upstanding, an

41:33

honest Christian mother. She's got a

41:36

grandchild now. She's not

41:38

nuts. Anyway, I get a message from

41:40

her, Don, I need to

41:42

talk to somebody and

41:44

you're the only one I can talk to.

41:46

I think that nobody else will believe me,

41:48

but I got to talk to somebody about

41:50

something that happened. So she

41:54

knows me who I am. So I'm

41:56

like, okay, sure. You can tell

41:58

me anything. I'll understand. stand and

42:02

I'm expecting her to say she

42:04

saw Bigfoot or she saw

42:06

a UFO or something like that and she

42:08

says, I was

42:11

stalked by a werewolf. And

42:16

I'm like, are you sure? I

42:20

was stalked by a werewolf. So

42:23

I was like, it's okay. It's

42:26

okay. I believe you. I don't

42:28

know what happened. I don't know what it was. I don't

42:30

know how to explain it, but I believe you. And

42:36

I told her, I'll pray for you. I'll always

42:38

pray for you. I'll pray for you. I'll pray for your

42:40

family forever. I love you guys and I

42:44

believe you. And that

42:46

was that. And it

42:49

really troubled me, really troubled me because

42:51

I know now there's

42:53

two stories. Now Connie's son-in-law

42:55

has told me a story and now

42:58

she's told me a story, my good

43:00

friend, and I'm like, something's

43:02

to this. Well,

43:07

it bothered me a lot, but I was

43:09

thinking, well, thank God, I never saw anything

43:11

like that. Thank God I had

43:13

other experiences, but I'd say, God, that didn't happen

43:15

to me. So

43:18

what happened was I

43:21

kept thinking about that. I

43:23

kept thinking about what happened to her and it

43:25

was really, really troubling me, but I

43:30

couldn't get it out on my mind. So

43:33

then I was actually a moderator

43:35

on another Facebook page for somebody that

43:38

was a Sasquatch page and I really

43:40

enjoyed that. But people

43:42

kept talking about Dog Man and I'm like, what

43:44

are they talking about, Dog Man? This

43:47

is crazy. And so I started researching

43:49

it and it brought me to Vic Conduff

43:51

Dog Man Radio Encounters. And I'm like, oh,

43:54

okay, let's check this thing out. And

43:58

I Started listening to stories. People would.

44:01

On your podcasts and I was like

44:03

words. Oh. My goodness is

44:05

this when she saw in this was you Soil

44:07

is the and is this what she saw. She

44:10

lived in the southern part of Arizona like this

44:12

is what she saw and that's where this has

44:14

to be what they saw. So.

44:17

This thing is Will. This is

44:20

real. And I wanted to

44:22

call her until or to contact you.

44:25

So I did get in touch with her and I

44:27

said I need to college. She said okay so I

44:29

called her. And. I

44:32

asked her about how she was doing

44:34

and she just told me that she

44:36

was doing okay and their had She

44:38

said she thought about it and she

44:40

thought ya that couldn't be real So

44:42

her family had talked to her about.

44:45

In. Touch with somebody about it and

44:47

see where into a therapist and they.

44:50

Said well yeah you, you're having hallucinations

44:52

and they. Diagnosed.

44:56

Her with having hallucinations and.

44:59

Than. Just broke my heart because by

45:01

this time I know that when she

45:03

saw was very real and now. She's.

45:06

End of a Chair of Saying. You

45:08

know, medical same their mental thing

45:10

and that just. Broke my heart

45:13

because I didn't feel at that time. she was

45:15

ready for me to push her. Shoe

45:17

think that know he really was

45:19

real. So. I

45:22

just kind of let that go for

45:24

the time being. And

45:26

I continue to listen to your

45:28

podcast. Oh I

45:30

forgot to mention know fact after this

45:32

happened I drew those hands. Those were

45:34

was hands. I kept drawing them. I couldn't

45:37

stop drawing a my draw. I'm over and

45:39

over over. It's time to get just

45:41

right. Second show Paul This is worth of

45:43

snow. This is a little off I gotta

45:45

draw Mcginn and I just of says

45:47

the on drawing him anyway. Back.

45:50

To the two thousands now. so. About.

45:53

A while back I was. listening

45:56

to all your past podcast losing

45:58

all these people and girl came

46:00

on there, and

46:02

one of them, and she's talking about stuff that happened

46:04

to her, and this girl

46:07

is talking about stuff that happened right around

46:09

the year 2000, and all the

46:13

stuff she's talking about it

46:16

kind of resonates with my

46:18

own experience with so-called haunting.

46:22

And she starts talking about where

46:24

this happened, and when she says where it

46:26

happened, as I told you, I

46:28

don't want to give the city name up because

46:30

I can expose some people

46:32

to possible ridicule, and I

46:36

don't want to do that, but I will say those

46:38

two cities are so close to each other that,

46:40

like I said, you could spit from one town

46:42

to the next. And

46:44

it's almost like part of the border goes through

46:47

an avocado orchard, like, there's the

46:49

border of this and that, and you could

46:51

put one foot in that town and one

46:53

foot in this town, and they were so

46:55

connected that it was hard

46:57

to tell where one started and where

46:59

one stopped. And when I

47:02

realized that everything that happened to

47:04

her happened at the same time,

47:06

in the same basic

47:09

vicinity that my, it

47:12

just hit me, just hit me in the

47:14

gut. I went, oh, like that, and just

47:16

grabbed my gut because I realized, oh no,

47:19

oh no, oh no. Holy

47:22

moly macaroni. That's when I

47:24

knew. That was the

47:27

windows, the slobber, and that's

47:31

when it hit me. It just hit

47:33

me like, oh

47:35

my gosh, my brain is

47:37

ready to say that was in

47:39

the window, not the mirror. Of

47:41

course it was in the mirror because the

47:43

mirror was reflecting what was in the window,

47:45

just as sure as the mirror was reflecting

47:47

me standing there. It was reflecting those plaws

47:50

reaching in through the window. Within

47:54

inches of the back, it

47:56

could have just grabbed me and yanked me out

47:58

of that window so fast. It just

48:02

gets terrible, claws

48:04

deep in my flesh and yanked me out.

48:06

And that's when I realized, oh, all

48:09

this time, it was

48:11

real. It was, you know, that's what mirrors

48:13

do. Mirrors

48:16

don't show you what's inside the mirror,

48:19

moving around in the mirror. Mirrors show you

48:21

what's on the outside of the mirror being

48:23

reflected. That thing was right

48:26

behind me. That

48:28

whole time, and that's

48:31

when I realized that everything came

48:33

around. Everything

48:35

that had never been

48:37

closed came full circle. And

48:40

everything, all the pieces fit, everything

48:42

makes sense. Everything

48:45

that happened, even the animals, the stuff

48:48

when the, I didn't tell you about

48:50

when the plants would move around, just

48:52

stuff that, everything just said, I just

48:56

knew. And then

48:58

I just sunk because I realized I

49:01

thought I left all that behind me, hundreds of

49:03

miles away and 20 years behind

49:05

me. And now this is

49:08

something that could be lurking anywhere. It's

49:10

in Arizona, it's in Norway,

49:12

it's in Utah, it's

49:14

everywhere. It's

49:17

not just it, but it's kind, those

49:19

kinds of things. Those dogmen, they are

49:22

wherever they are. They could be in

49:24

Florida, they could be in anywhere.

49:27

They could be in China. I mean, it doesn't

49:29

matter. So you can't just pick up and move

49:31

to a new location and be 100 miles away

49:34

from where that one was and not expect to

49:36

ever have them out there. They're

49:38

out there. And

49:41

that was like just, I

49:44

was ruined. I was just ruined. It's like,

49:47

I couldn't cope with it. Of

49:49

course, I talked to my brother, the only one I

49:51

ever talked to about stuff like this. I

49:54

have two brothers, but the

49:56

brother I'm referring to is Bill, who lives in

49:58

California, but he's always there. always gives me

50:00

his support and his listening ear. And he's

50:03

had his own share of experiences in his

50:05

life, but nothing like this. But

50:08

oh my gosh, it just killed me. But

50:12

then I also knew I had been protected

50:14

because it didn't get me, but it wanted

50:16

to. Or maybe it didn't want to. I

50:18

don't know if they get a success

50:20

from scaring people. I don't know if

50:22

they're territorial and they're trying to scare

50:24

people away from their territory or if

50:26

they feed off of the human

50:29

fear hormone that we emit. I don't know.

50:31

But whatever it was that they

50:34

do, whatever, I was ruined.

50:37

And now I can't imagine what my little

50:40

friend went through being stalked

50:42

by one when she was stalked by one.

50:46

I can't imagine because what

50:49

I felt when I found out what

50:51

really happened, what was really going on

50:53

in with that

50:55

guest house, yeah,

50:58

that did it for me. But

51:00

it came full circle. And then when

51:03

I talked to you the first time and you

51:05

said, yeah, because I was still

51:07

in denial. There was a piece

51:09

of me that wanted to say, oh, that

51:11

was a haunting with werewolf components. Like

51:14

what haunting us were? You

51:16

know, that's just no, that's kind of

51:18

a just searching for anything,

51:21

anything you can stick your hands on or

51:23

put your mind to that can push this

51:25

and make this an impossibility. But yet you

51:27

know it happened. You know what it was.

51:32

I know those hands were reaching

51:34

through that window, not inside

51:37

the mirror. I was real. And I just,

51:41

my brain just was not going

51:43

to process it at that moment. And

51:45

I think I've read about and heard

51:47

about our brains protecting us in certain

51:49

times, not allowing

51:51

us to comprehend certain things, not

51:53

allowing us to remember certain things as

51:56

a protection. And

51:58

I think that's what was. probably

52:00

happening when my brain was saying, oh, look

52:02

what's in the mirror. Look what my

52:05

brain wasn't about to say. Look what's in

52:08

the window behind you. Just like

52:10

the song kept saying, look

52:12

behind you. There's someone

52:14

behind you. Look behind you. And then

52:16

it was like, yeah, there's someone

52:18

behind me. All right. And

52:21

I left. I didn't want to go

52:23

back, but I did. But

52:25

it didn't have to stay for long after that.

52:27

We only had three weeks left

52:29

of work in there before we got to leave. I

52:34

just made sure I was with Paul

52:36

more often and didn't stay down there

52:38

by myself anymore and went up to the grandma's

52:41

house with him every day. Stuck

52:44

close with him. I

52:47

still wasn't comfortable, but at least I was

52:49

with him and with other people instead of

52:51

being by myself down

52:54

there at the guest house. That's

52:57

what happened. Basically,

52:59

that's my story, my experience.

53:03

Wow, Donna. No one should ever have to

53:05

experience anything like that. That is

53:08

rough. If you've

53:10

had a Dog Me An Encounter and would like

53:12

to speak with me about it, whether I'm private

53:14

or on the show, please go to dogmeanencounters.com and

53:17

submit a report. If you've

53:19

had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to

53:21

be a guest on one of my two

53:23

Bigfoot shows, please go to mybigfootsighting.com. Your

53:27

encounter happened while you and your husband Paul

53:29

were staying at that guest house in California.

53:31

How far would you say that guest house

53:34

was from the nearest neighboring home though? Probably

53:40

an acre

53:43

of ground. I think pretty much each

53:45

home up there was on an acre

53:47

or two. It

53:50

wasn't a gated community, but it was

53:52

like a gated community and like everybody

53:54

had big gates and wrought iron gates.

53:57

But there was probably an

53:59

acre. two in between each home and

54:02

then as

54:04

you gradually went up the hill, you know, it was

54:06

windy and then there'd be a home and then there'd

54:08

be a place of just nothing but trees

54:10

and orchards and then bend around a corner and

54:13

there'd be another home back in the, I'd

54:16

say about an acre at the least between

54:19

each home. So

54:21

if you had to guess, you would say probably 150

54:23

feet, 200 feet thin between the homes? No,

54:28

I'd say about 300 to 400 feet at least. Let's

54:33

see, Leroy is over here to

54:37

my west and there's about 320 feet

54:40

long fence. So

54:45

it would be, they would be further away

54:47

from that house. The

54:49

next house over would have been further than my

54:52

neighbor is from me. So I'm

54:54

thinking 300 to 400 feet

54:57

and it would all be studded with trees and stuff.

55:01

So that guest house was pretty isolated then?

55:04

Yeah, it was not near the main house. It was

55:06

higher up and it was, that

55:08

one was probably about 100, 150

55:11

feet away and they were

55:16

not close together. They

55:18

had a lot of land. Their

55:20

backyards were big. It

55:23

sounds like they were. Yeah,

55:26

I get that picture. Expensive

55:29

place to live. I'm sure

55:31

it was if it had a guest home. That's

55:34

a given. Well Donna,

55:36

we're about out of time and I've

55:38

got tons of questions for you to

55:40

ask you about that experience. Would

55:42

you be open to coming back next week to do

55:44

a part to you so I could ask you those

55:47

questions? Sure. Sure. No

55:49

problem at all. Great. Let's

55:52

just plan on doing that then. So I'll

55:54

get back with you to get that scheduled.

55:56

We'll record that part too and then yeah.

56:00

We'll just hear that next Friday night at 9

56:02

PM Eastern Time. Oh,

56:04

that sounds very good. I'll be happy to

56:06

answer anything. I just want to help people

56:08

and I hope that my little friend who

56:11

had that experience, I hope to God that

56:13

she hears this show so that

56:15

she can know and stop to

56:18

think about maybe she should contact you

56:20

after all. Well, there's

56:22

no pressure for her to do that but if

56:24

she does reach out to me, I'd be more than happy

56:27

to try and help her however I could. So

56:29

if she's listening, please remember that.

56:33

Having said that Donna, thanks again so

56:35

much for coming on and sharing this

56:37

experience with us and like we've already

56:40

established. We'll be back next week Friday

56:42

night 9 PM Eastern Time for part

56:44

2 to throw those questions at you

56:46

but thanks again so much for

56:48

your time and have a great night. Thank

57:05

you.