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Tonight's guest is Mike Colontonio.

2:29

Mike, welcome to the show. Hey

2:33

Vic, how are you? Well, I'm doing good,

2:35

but more importantly, how are you? I'm

2:37

okay, I'm alright, thank you. Oh,

2:39

you're welcome. Mike, please

2:42

give us a brief bio on yourself.

2:46

Alright, no pressure, huh? So,

2:49

I grew up on Long Island, New York. You

2:53

know, Sicilian family. You

2:56

know, run-of-the-mill, average guy.

2:59

Went through every trade under the sun, didn't

3:01

really care for anything, so eventually

3:04

I joined the army around 23.

3:08

Stayed in for, I had a two

3:10

and a half year contract, but I stayed in for

3:12

another year and a half to

3:14

go overseas to Afghanistan.

3:17

When I got back,

3:19

I was just basically dumped

3:22

off into society and very,

3:26

very lost for multiple reasons.

3:30

I was dealing with addiction and I was dealing with,

3:33

you know, a lot of PTSD and

3:35

some other issues.

3:37

So, eventually I

3:40

went in for some help after a while

3:42

trying to do it myself and over

3:47

those five years, you know,

3:50

five or six years, I did a lot

3:52

of healing and started

3:55

doing a lot of, you know, spiritual

3:57

healing and learning Reiki and

3:59

meditation. and things like that, which really

4:01

started to open me up as an individual.

4:05

And I

4:08

really wasn't finding my place in the world

4:11

back in society. So I started

4:14

taking to the woods and I

4:16

had too many social anxieties. So I

4:19

found myself going in the woods nonstop,

4:21

probably once or twice a day,

4:23

at least for a couple of hours each.

4:26

I had a very

4:29

deep interest in Sasquatch,

4:31

but it wasn't an

4:34

understanding or even

4:36

a full necessarily belief

4:39

yet. And I didn't

4:41

necessarily think that I had the

4:43

chance of seeing on where I was.

4:47

You have to go in the middle of nowhere. It's what

4:49

I thought. You had to go in the middle of the mountains

4:52

and scream and bang on trees,

4:54

etc. And I

4:56

only knew what I knew from

4:58

what I knew at that point, which was

5:00

not much. And that's

5:03

pretty much when I was planning to go

5:05

to the Pacific Northwest when

5:07

I had my encounter, which put a screeching

5:09

halt on my trip.

5:11

And I started to... It

5:15

was very traumatic for me and there was nothing threatening.

5:18

There was nothing threatening there at all. It's

5:20

just was sheer size and

5:23

fear. My reaction dropped me to the

5:25

floor.

5:27

And

5:29

when I looked back, it was gone.

5:31

And mind you, my last job

5:34

was a soldier in combat

5:36

and the fight or

5:38

flight was flight.

5:40

Fight wasn't an option.

5:42

But my body had reacted

5:45

to say,

5:47

flight, but just go down. Just

5:49

go down and hope nothing happens.

5:51

I beg for help. And mind you,

5:53

again, I don't think anything bad

5:55

was going to happen.

5:57

But at the time, I could not process

5:59

that.

6:00

I couldn't process it. So at this

6:03

point, you

6:05

know, this is when people decide,

6:07

I'm never going back in the woods ever,

6:10

ever again, or I gotta get some answers.

6:13

So I chose the latter and

6:16

started to go back in and started to reach out

6:18

to a lot of people.

6:22

You know, a few years later, I've been

6:24

doing that steadily, just kind of going

6:26

out there as often as possible as

6:29

a blank slate, you know, no preconceived

6:31

notions or preconceived ideas, no matter

6:33

how much I learn or how much I take in,

6:36

I try and just step out there every day and say,

6:38

you know, hey universe, hey woods,

6:40

hey mother nature, what do you got for me today?

6:44

And

6:45

as much as you try to

6:47

prepare

6:49

and cover yourself in

6:52

protection, sometimes

6:55

other things can affect you.

6:58

And bind

7:00

you and reach you out. And I've

7:03

had to learn the hard way, especially

7:05

with Dog Man, which is why we're here

7:07

today.

7:10

And yeah, I mean, that's about it, I

7:12

guess, in a nutshell.

7:14

It goes without saying, I'm so glad you're able

7:16

to get back on the horse and head out into

7:18

the woods. And it also goes without saying,

7:20

I can't thank you enough for your service to our country.

7:23

I'm just so sorry to hear that your

7:25

experiences overseas have affected you

7:27

the way they have.

7:29

Yeah, yeah, it's very unfortunate. I

7:31

do consider myself one of the lucky ones

7:33

to be able to recover,

7:36

you know, come back from that. And it

7:38

is a constant process, right? With any

7:40

kind of trauma,

7:41

it requires constant work. But

7:44

I appreciate that, Vic, thank you.

7:47

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7:49

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8:06

Comparing the two, your Dogmean encounters,

8:09

which obviously have hit you very hard, and

8:11

then your experiences overseas in the military,

8:14

which one has been harder to deal with?

8:16

Which one's given you more PTSD?

8:20

I would

8:22

say the wartime,

8:28

because there's

8:31

tangible damage that

8:34

lingers, that constantly reminds

8:36

me. I

8:39

have a TBI, which

8:41

just kind of gives me these... It's

8:44

a TBI stands for traumatic brain injury.

8:46

There was a lot of IEDs that was a method

8:49

of

8:50

defense and offense by the

8:53

locals over there and

8:56

have been in numerous explosions.

9:00

And it really gives me these

9:02

constant migraines and neck pain and

9:04

just steady, steady discomfort

9:07

on a regular basis.

9:09

But I do consider myself

9:11

fortunate. But again, it's a

9:14

constant reminder of that

9:16

trauma and those events. I'd

9:18

say that's

9:20

probably the main reason why they

9:22

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9:25

you spend every single day around man

9:28

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9:30

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9:31

turn their back on you later. And

9:34

you never know who's who out there. We're

9:36

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9:38

day long, every day. And

9:40

we have to put a lot of trust in them on a lot

9:42

of different levels at a lot of different

9:44

times. And,

9:47

you know, you just never know. Humans are the most unpredictable

9:49

thing I've ever been around. Isn't

9:52

that the truth? And I'm so

9:54

sorry, like I said, that you had to go through all that.

9:56

I mean, no one should have to deal with that. That is so

9:59

horrible.

10:00

Like I said, that's just one of the reasons why

10:02

I really appreciate your service to our country

10:05

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Vision. Well

12:00

you've got a lot to unpack for us here tonight,

12:02

Mike, so let's dive into it now. Please

12:04

tell us about your encounters, give us every

12:06

last detail that comes to mind.

12:09

Okay. So

12:11

this is a pretty long drawn

12:13

out scenario. I'll

12:16

start from the beginning, at least from

12:19

where I was

12:21

able to pick up on what was happening,

12:25

that there were dog men present. I

12:27

had heard about them. I had understood

12:29

that they were there and it

12:32

wasn't that I was in

12:36

disbelief. I'd say I had tunnel

12:38

vision and all I wanted to do was

12:40

focus on the Sasquatch and I was very good

12:42

at blocking out

12:44

anything else from being there. That

12:47

was until it made

12:49

itself very, very visible.

12:52

So the first time was

12:56

in the Pine Barrens and I was by myself

12:58

and I could feel a reluctance and

13:01

almost a

13:03

reverse magnetic energy pushing

13:05

me back saying, as if to say,

13:08

hey don't come in here, but

13:10

this stubborn human in me drove

13:12

all that way and I wanted to go in there.

13:15

I didn't drive over there to just turn around,

13:17

right? So I just

13:19

pushed my way forward anyway.

13:23

Looking back to hindsight 2020,

13:26

I shouldn't have, but

13:28

I was lucky once again and considered

13:30

myself fortunate.

13:32

But there were multiple

13:35

dog men out there and I could

13:39

hear them communicating. Just

13:43

to give a brief overlay

13:46

of it. The Pine Barrens

13:48

are very, it's like a hundred thousand

13:50

acres on the mountain. It's very barren,

13:53

like literally barren and there's nobody

13:55

out there.

13:56

It's just kind of like a cryptid playground

13:58

where nothing's going to happen. off-limits

14:01

and people don't go out there. There are

14:03

no trails. There

14:07

are trails in some parts, but most of them

14:09

are like mountain biking trails. It's not a

14:12

prime hiking location,

14:14

especially with all the water and beaches

14:16

and state parks on the water that we

14:18

have. We have so many state and county beautiful

14:20

parks and beaches that nobody

14:23

goes out there. But I

14:25

was drawn there. I don't know why. I just,

14:28

it's where I ended up. So I went in and I like

14:30

a challenge and I like to switch things up. So

14:33

on this particular day, oh, so

14:36

I meant, what I meant to dive into was that we don't

14:38

have any coyotes

14:40

here. We don't have wolf. We don't have

14:42

bear.

14:43

We don't have big cats.

14:46

We don't even have small cats or fisher

14:48

cats, nothing. So we have fox

14:50

and deer. It's about it.

14:52

So many big birds

14:54

of prey, but other than

14:57

that, nothing you can mix up.

14:59

You can't mix up what

15:01

you're looking at.

15:02

It's either a domestic dog

15:05

or you got a dog man on your hands.

15:08

And these, I

15:10

don't know, maybe some people

15:12

have super trained dogs elsewhere, but I don't

15:14

know anybody with domestic dogs that can tactically

15:17

move through the brush like a military unit

15:20

and that's what I was seeing. And

15:23

I want to give

15:25

a description of them, but I

15:29

don't remember much except

15:31

that it was a darkish

15:33

gray, not

15:35

quite black, not quite gray,

15:38

not quite silver,

15:40

but this like dark

15:42

gray, like a gun metal

15:44

that almost seemed

15:46

to be fluid

15:49

with their body. It

15:52

wasn't like mangy. It wasn't scattered.

15:56

The hair, it seemed

15:58

to flow.

15:59

with

16:01

their body movement.

16:03

I don't know how else to explain that, you know,

16:05

except what I said. I could just tell you what I saw.

16:08

I

16:09

don't know anything that's hair moves

16:11

along with its limbs perfectly,

16:14

like in synchronizing motion,

16:16

but this is what was happening.

16:19

They were on all fours the

16:23

whole time. They

16:26

were bounding from tree

16:28

to tree very, very quickly.

16:30

It was almost like a flash. It was always

16:33

when they were in my peripheral.

16:36

I was having my camera and I was holding

16:39

my camera one way. If I

16:41

had my head to the left, I was holding my

16:43

camera to the right.

16:45

And if I had my head to the right, I was holding my camera

16:47

to the left in hopes to

16:49

possibly capture something that

16:52

was outdoing me

16:54

at every angle. There

16:58

would be a distraction, some

17:01

sort of like clack or knock or

17:03

bark or something

17:07

that would make me whip my

17:09

head in one direction. And then

17:13

where I was turned away from would

17:15

be where they moved. And it was this triangular

17:17

movement between three of them.

17:21

And again, I just

17:23

could not see them.

17:26

It was just almost

17:29

like, you know how the

17:32

contrails that people talk about all the

17:34

time, like the planes leave behind, it

17:36

was almost like that's all I could see was

17:38

the

17:39

tail end of the

17:42

movement it made, if that makes sense.

17:45

And

17:47

at this point,

17:49

I'm trying to back out

17:52

slowly and slowly and slowly, but they're

17:54

constantly moving forward. And

17:56

I know how far I have to go. And

17:59

And as odd

18:01

as this sounds, I saw

18:04

what looked to be like a Sasquatch.

18:07

I am one of the trees. And it

18:09

wasn't something that I would say was fully

18:12

physical.

18:13

Sometimes this is hard to explain, but I would say

18:15

I knew what was there. And I knew that

18:17

something other than the dog man was

18:20

there and sure was way bigger

18:22

than a person and it was way more.

18:25

The presence it had just

18:27

kind of commanded the room. And

18:30

I got the direct

18:33

inkling, like it communicated

18:35

to me, go, go now and go. And

18:39

I started to listen

18:42

and I started to make progress and nothing

18:44

was happening and making

18:47

my way out, but

18:50

continuously it kept going on because

18:53

I kept stubbornly stopping and kind of

18:55

like looking around and filming and

18:57

I should have

18:59

had a more sense of urgency

19:01

and moved with a sense of purpose more so than

19:03

I did. And I definitely pushed the boundaries.

19:06

Eventually I did get another

19:09

nudge, like go and I did.

19:12

And I left and I,

19:14

I reluctantly

19:18

did not go back to that place. Now,

19:22

a

19:23

couple of weeks later, most likely

19:26

I had a subscriber come.

19:28

He wanted to come visit and check things out.

19:32

We went a bunch of different places that

19:35

he had seen videos of that he wanted to go.

19:38

That was one that he wanted to see. And

19:42

so, you know, I just

19:45

silly, silly me decided, okay,

19:47

let's go. Let's go. And

19:51

as night started to fall, I'm just going to

19:54

fast forward because not much

19:56

went on.

19:57

Not noteworthy anyway.

20:00

For the few first couple hours that

20:02

we were there we were just wandering around and

20:04

you know just normal things banging around the woods

20:06

and not really getting too much but as night

20:09

started to fall.

20:11

I'll reiterate we do not have

20:13

packs of canine

20:15

or coy wolf coyotes wolves

20:18

nothing.

20:20

It sounded like a pack

20:22

of coyotes was moving in.

20:25

In a hurry. And

20:27

we weren't far from the vehicle at this point

20:29

but it was parked on

20:31

the road in the woods a little bit but

20:34

it was on the road and there was a streetlight there which

20:36

gave. This false sense

20:38

of security and I looking back

20:41

I don't know why. The car

20:43

and the one streetlight gave

20:45

this false sense of security and I

20:47

still don't understand it to this day, but it did it did.

20:50

And this is this has been something that's

20:53

happened to me multiple times where I felt

20:55

this false sense of security because I was close

20:58

to civilization or road

21:00

or something to that effect

21:02

but it doesn't seem to matter. And.

21:07

As this. Pack of

21:09

whatever was coming towards us I

21:11

can only speculate

21:13

but it sounded like it was making a beeline

21:15

for us like it knew we were there somehow.

21:18

There was this huge bridge that went down probably

21:20

about 1520 feet down drop off the. Trail

21:24

we were using which looked to be like maybe

21:27

a horse trail occasionally. There

21:30

was a farm nearby a horse farm nearby.

21:33

And there.

21:36

Was something that popped up and pop

21:39

back down.

21:41

And it was so fast

21:44

I.

21:45

I can't explain how fast it went up and down

21:48

you know when a jacket box shoots out of the box

21:50

imagine it went back down immediately

21:52

in the same fashion but even faster.

21:55

Whack a mole remind me of whack a mole

21:57

that games you know that arcade game which.

22:00

try to hit the thing when it pops up. And

22:05

it did it twice. And

22:08

I know the second time I got

22:10

it on camera, but it just didn't

22:12

do it justice when I looked back at it. It

22:15

was not as

22:16

intense as it was to look into

22:18

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24:20

everything you're doing and you have no idea

24:24

what's happening outside of your hand

24:26

in front of your face.

24:30

As the coyotes or whatever

24:32

this pack of

24:35

unknown canines

24:37

got closer and closer and that just happened

24:39

the second time it popped up I got so scared

24:42

that we went to the vehicle and I was

24:44

like let's go get in front of me,

24:46

go ahead of me, go, go, go. I'm

24:48

responsible for you. I shouldn't have brought you out

24:50

here. Go ahead of me. Go. I

24:55

don't know what I was thinking but I was

24:57

trying to put myself a little behind him in case

24:59

something did happen. They would pick

25:01

me. I felt so responsible

25:04

at this point.

25:06

We got to the vehicle and

25:10

the fear, again

25:12

there was this false sense of safety.

25:15

The fear started to turn

25:18

into nervous laughter which eventually

25:21

turned into like

25:22

man that was crazy. I can't

25:25

believe that. Almost like we were out

25:27

of the woods but we weren't. We

25:30

weren't yet. We

25:33

ended up actually doubling back in a

25:35

few feet at

25:37

one point and this is probably about ten minutes

25:39

later and we're still there and everything

25:42

has calmed down to the point where

25:44

there's really no noise except normal

25:47

noise out in the woods, if anything. I

25:50

can't recall but there was no

25:52

more of the howling. There was

25:55

no more like phantom footsteps or anything

25:57

to that effect. Just regular, regular.

25:59

wood feeling, you

26:01

know, the regular woods.

26:03

And there

26:06

was something I can't explain to

26:08

this day because

26:11

the street light gave us a little

26:13

bit of an extra glimpse. Probably

26:16

our hand in front of our face,

26:18

you know, visibility went to

26:21

somewhere between five and ten feet. And

26:25

whatever this was, was about

26:28

two feet from our face. We could

26:30

feel the breath. It

26:34

sent, it

26:37

sent, it sent chills

26:39

down your spine. It was the most insane

26:42

thing I've ever had happen. It vibrated.

26:44

It was this loud, this

26:49

loud banshee

26:51

comes to mind, like screaming like a banshee comes

26:53

to mind. But

26:54

it screamed at the top of its

26:56

lungs, whatever it was. And

26:58

it was not a physical thing.

27:01

It was just, but something was

27:04

there screaming in our

27:06

face. And

27:09

a train

27:12

whistle is like, if

27:14

you ever been like right in front of the train

27:16

and it pulls that whistle, it

27:19

was that times 10 and

27:22

way, way higher. And you

27:24

couldn't like you,

27:26

you couldn't go and get a

27:28

movie actress to 10 movie

27:31

actresses to make this noise, you know, with

27:33

a scary movie where the, where the females scream,

27:35

you know, and

27:37

it's 10 of them were there screaming

27:40

like this. It would not have equaled this. It was

27:42

the scariest, loudest,

27:46

intense thing I've ever experienced.

27:50

And we left. We got the heck out

27:52

of Dodge as fast as we could.

28:00

And in a nutshell,

28:03

that was really the end of that.

28:06

I think we kind of talked about

28:08

it briefly.

28:09

I remember trying to make,

28:12

I always document after my

28:14

outings in the woods, I try to self-document

28:17

a little selfie video for

28:19

myself about what happened, so I don't forget,

28:22

if I need to go back for any reason.

28:24

And I remember just the phone shaking

28:26

out of my hands repeatedly and

28:29

watching it back, I remember seeing

28:32

how stumbling I was over my words and

28:34

I couldn't

28:35

function, could not formulate

28:37

a thought.

28:38

I don't know how he was driving at all, I

28:40

have no idea.

28:41

I think it was a real big thrill for him a

28:44

little bit.

28:44

I don't think he understood the dangers that

28:47

could have been involved there.

28:49

And yeah,

28:52

it was just another one of those things where you're

28:54

just lucky that that's

28:57

all it was.

29:00

Fast forward, I'd

29:03

say that experience really,

29:06

really affected me big time. I

29:10

didn't go back

29:11

over there. I don't think I've been back over

29:13

there

29:14

at all since.

29:16

Maybe if I did it was once, maybe briefly

29:18

to kind of work through trauma, if anything, but I

29:20

don't, if I did, I'd shut it

29:23

down. So I

29:25

started to find other locations like I always

29:27

do and

29:28

challenge myself and

29:30

switch it up.

29:33

And I found a place pretty close to

29:35

home, which is kind

29:37

of nice.

29:39

It's wide open, nobody seems

29:42

to know it's there. A

29:44

lot of woods, a lot of open areas too. And

29:48

really just a beautiful,

29:50

beautiful property. And

29:53

it's state owned, I guess.

29:56

I'm pretty sure it's state owned anyway.

30:00

It goes all the way into the back down

30:02

this road that looks like You're

30:05

not supposed to be back there. So

30:07

I guess that's why a lot of people don't go in It has a

30:09

guard booth, but no guard, you know a whole bunch of

30:11

stuff And

30:13

if you just navigate through it into the

30:15

very very back it's gorgeous and

30:17

wide open and just like a you know

30:20

wooded playground and I

30:23

do I go back there because I know nobody else

30:25

does

30:27

There was a lot

30:29

of times I bring my dog there because it was the

30:32

grass wasn't too tall

30:35

A lot of different things a lot of different reasons,

30:37

but it was really a lot of fun for me for

30:40

a very long time until

30:43

one particular night I

30:46

Had not been doing Anything

30:50

really at nighttime in

30:52

hindsight most like it was because of what happened

30:54

that night We just discussed

30:58

But on this particular occasion It was twilight

31:01

and one of my favorite times go out is

31:03

the blue hour in the morning or sunrise

31:05

the hour or

31:06

the twilight hour

31:09

Like the morning and you know, it's

31:12

like shift change, right?

31:13

nocturnal things go in or out

31:16

they come home when they go out and

31:19

The other things go to sleep where they go, you know,

31:21

they're heading out. So

31:24

Very active very very active and it's

31:26

just a theory of mine that the cryptids are the same

31:28

way but I

31:31

Would

31:32

get a lot of activity that way so I tried

31:34

it and that particular night. I ended

31:36

up staying Into

31:39

the night and So

31:43

the way this place is lined up is There's

31:47

this

31:49

Open field and it's always a mode somehow.

31:51

I've never seen anybody there Most

31:53

of the long but who

31:54

knows

31:55

and then there's thick thick tall

31:58

grass and thick thick

31:59

and the trees have

32:03

almost like a network

32:07

of hollowed

32:10

out areas underneath. You know those big trees

32:12

that cover, they grow outward

32:15

and kind of

32:16

grow. The deer love

32:18

it because they walk all under it and it's

32:21

almost like a little

32:22

hidden tunnel system down there.

32:25

I like to refer to it as remember when you were a kid

32:27

and you'd take your sheet, you know, grab

32:29

your mom's bed sheets and like tuck

32:31

all four corners in and make a tent and

32:34

you know you crawl around down there.

32:36

It's something similar to that and

32:41

there's these lanes that kind of go you know

32:44

in and out of the

32:45

different trails that you could walk and

32:49

there's one that is very narrow

32:51

and

32:53

it has these those trees

32:55

and some of them overlap

32:58

over that tight trail. I always

33:02

see the deer frequenting in and out of it

33:04

and I

33:05

never really thought much about it. I didn't ever

33:07

get too close to it.

33:10

I'd never went down that

33:12

particular trail for

33:15

no particular reason.

33:18

Just didn't really seem important because it led

33:20

to the long road.

33:23

It didn't lead back to where

33:25

I parked. It led to the long

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33:28

I had to take to get back there. It's just

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So again there was that false sense

35:16

of security too with the streetlights. So as it got

35:19

dark, instead

35:21

of coming back across the big,

35:23

you know, open area and stumbling

35:25

through the darkness, I said,

35:28

oh maybe I'll cut

35:30

that way and head towards

35:33

the lights. You know, I'll get in the street.

35:37

I'll get in the street because that's... that feels

35:39

safer. The

35:43

feeling at that point was very

35:45

uneasy and mind

35:47

you, I do apologize because there

35:49

is some trauma here

35:51

where

35:52

I believe I've tried to bury some things so

35:56

I'm doing... gonna do my best but there

35:59

there was an un...

35:59

easy feeling from what I can remember. And

36:04

I think that is originally

36:07

why I was trying to fast

36:10

forward out of the, you

36:12

know, wooded area and out into the

36:14

fields and then back, you know,

36:16

to my vehicle or back towards that

36:19

road and the streetlights.

36:21

It was just giving

36:23

me this sense

36:25

of

36:26

comfort that I

36:28

thought

36:30

I should go for.

36:33

So as I went down this

36:35

tight lane and

36:37

usually it's very wide. You know, in

36:39

the winter time, especially it's very

36:41

wide. It's a very wide lane, but

36:44

in the sick of it, it just overlaps

36:47

and

36:48

becomes very, very tight

36:50

and towards the street part of it,

36:52

I'd say it's about a

36:55

hundred yards long, give or take.

36:57

You know, give or take 20 yards.

37:00

So as I get towards the street, I'm

37:04

really starting to get comfortable and

37:07

I really have my guard down and this

37:11

is when the discomfort

37:21

or possible

37:25

uncomfortability change to

37:28

utter fear and

37:32

just, I mean, sheer terror.

37:35

And I don't want to use the word

37:37

attacked here because I

37:39

feel like it's used too loosely,

37:42

but I was

37:44

intimidated

37:46

to a degree where

37:50

I don't think I've ever

37:53

since

37:56

the military taken my knife off

37:58

my, you know,

37:59

of my pocket or out of my belt. It

38:03

came out so fast.

38:07

Out of that thick underbrush that I was talking

38:09

to you about, it

38:12

was like a cannon

38:16

ball. It just shot out of the trees.

38:20

There was no

38:22

winding up. There was no, you know,

38:25

oh, I hear, you know, it's running, it

38:28

was running towards me like you would hear a horse

38:30

gout towards you or, you know, or

38:33

a deer running for a little while. It

38:38

was like right out of a cannon just

38:40

took off. Like it was almost, it

38:43

was almost like they were 20 feet away from me

38:45

or, and I just didn't know

38:47

it. But it

38:51

launched so quickly

38:53

and so fast. It was in my face

38:56

within seconds.

38:58

And the best way I can describe it is,

39:01

you know, when you walk through those Halloween

39:03

haunted houses and you're just

39:05

waiting for,

39:07

you know, something to jump out at you and everything's

39:09

in close proximity and then all

39:12

something just lunges out. That

39:15

multiplied to an unequivocal

39:19

speed and a unequivocal

39:22

fear. And the

39:27

first one

39:29

lunged out to the point where it came

39:32

within, I

39:33

would say

39:36

three feet. It

39:38

felt like it's,

39:44

you know, snout was

39:47

in front of my eyeball, like an inch

39:49

in front of my eyeball, but I have to be realistic

39:51

here and say, I'd say it

39:53

was within three feet.

39:56

Now the second one lunged

39:58

out. I'm

40:01

backpedaling now as best I can and

40:04

scrambling for the street. For

40:09

whatever reason, they

40:12

lunged out and pulled

40:14

back. They could have

40:16

done anything they chose to.

40:21

They looked

40:22

identical to the ones

40:24

I was describing to you

40:27

earlier.

40:28

That gunmetal

40:30

gray, if you will. But it's

40:33

hard to say. It's almost like a peppered gray.

40:36

Like there's maybe black roots,

40:38

if you will, and then maybe it changes like gray

40:41

into like almost like a lighter gray. And

40:43

I don't know how to explain this necessarily, but

40:46

it wasn't really, I don't want to say it

40:48

was hair,

40:50

because it was hair, but I don't want to say it was

40:52

like fine or thick. It reminded

40:54

me somewhat of a porcupine,

40:57

how they have quills. Now

41:01

it's still a hair, but it's

41:03

not quills, but it's still a hair, but

41:05

it was just that like sleek

41:08

looking.

41:09

Very fluid and very

41:11

like firm and

41:14

nothing I've seen before. So,

41:22

this is the time where I

41:24

pulled up my knife and started, you

41:27

know, I screamed some obscenity that

41:30

I won't repeat here and

41:34

utter here fear,

41:37

just coursing through my body.

41:39

And they backed up right back in.

41:42

They could have done whatever they chose to me at that

41:44

point. I had no chance. It's

41:46

actually quite humorous looking back that

41:48

I drew a blade on them.

41:50

Just ridiculous.

41:54

When I really look at it in hindsight, when

41:57

I look at the size of them, they were...

42:00

I remember they had this like cocked, this

42:02

cocked leg like

42:04

when they were standing up like the

42:06

um almost like a little bow in it. I

42:09

don't

42:10

know if I'm explaining that right but

42:12

almost like an elbow. They

42:14

just had this little like, not

42:17

little at all, but it had like a bend to

42:19

it. They

42:20

didn't stand straight up is what I'm getting

42:22

at. I guess they had like a

42:24

almost like they were on a, uh,

42:26

what are those things called? Where they jack,

42:29

a jack, a car jack, like, you know, like

42:31

that.

42:34

Very, very massive though, very massive.

42:36

Not as tall maybe

42:39

as I've heard other reports.

42:41

I'd say they were, they weren't massive

42:43

much taller than me. Somewhere in the six

42:46

to seven foot range.

42:48

Um, probably closer to six

42:51

and a half.

42:54

And I beeline for

42:56

the street. But

43:00

I still had to go all

43:03

the way through now. Down

43:05

the road under now, now

43:08

the sense of security I was

43:10

looking for turned on

43:12

me because now I was

43:15

in the dark

43:16

with woods on both sides of me.

43:19

I can see a bunch

43:21

of eyeshine lying down

43:24

low and tactically moving as

43:26

I'm walking down this road. I

43:29

can see them bounding. They would close

43:31

their eyes and move and then they would reappear.

43:34

And then one would close its eyes and move and bound

43:36

and reappear next to it. And then they would, there was a couple

43:39

of them, at least three,

43:41

maybe four. And

43:43

they were very low and they moved up and down

43:45

very tactically and

43:47

really smoothly.

43:50

And they went the whole way as I

43:52

went down.

43:53

And the reverse side of that

43:55

streetlight made me feel now like

43:58

I was on display. Like, I was

44:00

a rotisserie chicken in the

44:03

middle of stop and shop or wherever

44:06

you shop at.

44:10

That's what it felt like now.

44:12

The thing I wanted to get to most

44:14

to feel safe when I was feeling unsafe

44:17

now totally

44:18

flipped the script.

44:22

As I'm going,

44:24

they're moving next to me and moving next

44:26

to me.

44:28

And I'm doing my best to keep my calm

44:30

and stay cool.

44:33

But I know that this is not

44:36

going to end well.

44:39

I don't know if I'm really processing much of

44:42

anything. Again,

44:45

this is like

44:46

where I noticed that I kind

44:49

of have blocked out a little bit of some stuff

44:52

because

44:53

it was just so, so traumatic.

44:56

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44:58

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45:00

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45:02

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45:05

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45:07

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46:45

in a nutshell I made it to my vehicle

46:47

and I was able to leave. I

46:49

remember locking my doors

46:52

and rolling my windows up and I

46:54

remember I was leaning

46:56

into the middle of my

46:59

car. I was trying to be as center

47:01

as I could in my truck because I didn't

47:03

want to be close to the windows. I

47:05

didn't want to be closer to either window because

47:08

I thought that I

47:10

just wanted to be as far as

47:12

possible from the wood line and

47:15

there was one on each side of me.

47:17

That's how scared I was. This is the

47:19

way my brain was processing

47:21

things and telling me to react.

47:24

To put myself,

47:25

drive sideways leaning into

47:27

the middle of the car uncomfortably because that's

47:30

you know more safe.

47:32

Until you get out of here right?

47:35

And I did. Eventually I got out of there. But

47:40

that was a short-lived safe

47:43

haven.

47:44

Now we always hear

47:46

people say

47:51

be careful because they'll follow

47:53

you home

47:55

and

47:56

I don't know how that

47:58

works. when it

48:00

comes to these guys.

48:03

I don't know much about Dog Man, I still don't.

48:05

I respect what you do, Vic, I really do. I

48:09

still have a,

48:11

from all this, I still have a

48:13

protection measure where I just keep a healthy

48:15

distance and a healthy respect and stay

48:18

away because I

48:19

know what they're capable of and this

48:21

is where the story goes.

48:24

Up to this point,

48:25

these Dog Man, not

48:28

one, not two, there was multiple, on

48:31

multiple occasions,

48:33

could have done

48:35

a lot of things to me, took me out,

48:38

hurt me,

48:39

whatever they so choose

48:42

and I still

48:44

walked away every time. Now

48:49

it was different.

48:52

The next time I experienced

48:56

them,

48:57

I was at home.

49:00

I live in the suburbs, the

49:05

neighbors are not far

49:07

from one another.

49:11

Even if it's late at night,

49:13

if there was a huge ruckus, I'd

49:15

imagine people would probably come out, but

49:20

I was being tormented for

49:23

quite a while.

49:25

The first

49:27

night

49:29

was

49:31

the scariest, I'd say.

49:34

I came out of my, you

49:37

know, I have an apartment on the backside

49:39

of a house and a little side entrance

49:41

and I came out of my door and I

49:45

lit a cigarette.

49:47

And

49:50

out of the corner of my eye, I

49:52

can see something

49:55

that just doesn't belong. Just

49:57

doesn't belong there and I'm not really figuring

49:59

out.

49:59

out what it is yet. It's

50:02

dark out there. Essential

50:03

lights aren't working again. I don't know

50:05

why. It's just something that kept happening

50:08

no matter what I did to fix it.

50:11

And through

50:12

this particular tree

50:14

that's pretty trimmed down now,

50:16

I saw

50:19

something glowing

50:22

and I turned my head and there was these

50:24

red glowing eyes

50:27

and against the

50:30

moonlight I guess it

50:32

was somewhat of a cloudy night but there

50:35

was still a difference between

50:37

the black shingles

50:40

on the roof and the sky. And

50:43

in between those dark shingles and that

50:46

gray with a little bit of lighted sky,

50:50

there was a figure and it was

50:54

on all fours leaning

50:58

downward. Its

51:01

butt was up towards the peak of the roof

51:04

and its

51:06

shoulders were and you know face

51:08

were

51:09

aiming down facing down.

51:12

And I have about

51:14

five feet between me and my fence maybe 10

51:17

feet give or take and then there's probably

51:19

another 10

51:20

yards at least between

51:23

probably 15

51:25

yards between that fence and their

51:28

home. And they are

51:30

a two-story house and it's

51:32

a pretty big house

51:35

and that's where this thing sat and was

51:38

staring at me and it

51:40

was fully flesh as

51:42

far as I'm concerned. You

51:45

know it wasn't tangible because I couldn't touch it.

51:47

It was way over there but as

51:50

far as it was, it was too

51:52

close for comfort for me.

51:54

It had these huge shoulders. You

51:57

know there's show dogs like

52:00

Pit bulls and stuff where they're like,

52:02

they're huge and like they look like

52:04

little tanks

52:07

It was like that, but it was on like a giant

52:09

German Shepherd a

52:11

black German Shepherd and

52:15

It was in pounce mode like it was

52:17

it was That's

52:19

what I mean like its shoulders and arms

52:21

were like cocked out because I

52:24

believe it was planning to lunge again,

52:27

this

52:28

is perspective because it

52:30

didn't lunge in the

52:32

end it did not lunge and it

52:35

didn't do anything in

52:36

particular but

52:39

It scared me again. It was

52:41

scaring me. It was there. It was letting

52:43

me know it knew where I was

52:46

I'm just speculating

52:48

because um, I can I

52:51

can only do that I can only do that. But oh the

52:53

facts are that there was that thing sitting

52:55

up there watching me

52:59

And I

53:03

had no control over it, so

53:05

I

53:06

decided to start calling around

53:08

and trying to get help which

53:12

I'll breeze through that process

53:15

because hindsight. I don't really

53:17

know how productive any of it was

53:19

but there was points where I they were the

53:22

help I was asking for had me doing certain rituals

53:24

and

53:25

different things where you

53:28

know, I was trying to make amends with them and and Some

53:31

of it was gifting some of it was odd

53:33

things around the homes

53:35

Similar to a protection for a spirit

53:38

or something to that effect Then

53:43

Some of it was leaving gifts out in the area.

53:46

It took me a lot of time I lost

53:49

the whole

53:49

month of

53:51

Everything I loved I had

53:53

to put it all on hold because there was nothing

53:56

more important to me than making sure that I

54:01

I wasn't trying to wage

54:04

war

54:04

with something that could sneak up on me like

54:07

that.

54:08

So I

54:10

did my best to

54:13

make things better, at least as

54:15

well as I knew how.

54:18

Looking back, I think

54:21

what I was doing was I was gaining understanding.

54:24

I was gaining a

54:26

mutual respect.

54:28

I was

54:30

losing fear.

54:33

And

54:36

that's a lot of maybe

54:42

what helped this situation.

54:44

After that first

54:48

night, it was the scariest night

54:50

of my life.

54:52

There were some days and some nights

54:54

that were silent.

54:57

Completely silent, nothing.

55:00

Sometimes for days at a

55:03

time. But then there would just be

55:05

a night where it

55:07

seemed like every other night where it was just silent

55:10

again and nothing was around. I

55:13

would be outside and

55:16

the fence would just start

55:19

shaking. The trees would

55:21

start shaking and in

55:23

multiple spots and

55:26

almost like there was multiple

55:29

linebackers, like an offensive

55:31

line just behind the fence,

55:34

just rattling it at different times,

55:37

just hitting into it.

55:39

There was other times where

55:44

it would feel like I was just

55:46

being watched and I just didn't

55:48

know from where.

55:51

I would say the

55:54

hardest part for me was

55:57

not

55:58

knowing.

56:00

when they

56:01

were gonna come,

56:04

not knowing how to fix

56:06

it.

56:07

And when I did think I had answers on how to

56:09

fix it,

56:11

how long was it gonna take? Would

56:14

it work?

56:16

Were my kids gonna get harmed?

56:19

Should I go to somebody? You know,

56:21

there's so many things that go through

56:23

your mind,

56:26

and it really makes you feel like you're

56:28

alone now.

56:29

You're alone in the

56:31

world, and

56:32

you really don't know what to turn to, because

56:35

it just sounds like craziness.

56:39

It sounds like, it

56:41

just sounds like a crazy person.

56:45

When you put it all together,

56:47

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56:49

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56:51

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56:52

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56:54

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56:57

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I really appreciate you, Vic, because you've done

58:42

a lot for me.

58:44

Just even in the past few days,

58:46

it's-it's been very helpful.

58:50

And, uh, I hope I did some justice

58:52

here. But...

58:54

I want to round out the-the

58:56

whole thing and just kind of

58:59

give some hope here.

59:00

And some positive insight to

59:02

the whole-to the whole thing.

59:05

And I

59:07

just always want to touch back on there

59:10

could have been a lot of times where they

59:12

hurt me or...

59:14

worse.

59:15

And it didn't happen.

59:17

And

59:18

there was a lot of times where they were

59:20

here and they...

59:22

again, they could have did the same thing. Whether

59:25

they were here or I was out there,

59:28

it didn't matter. They had the upper hand and

59:30

they knew it.

59:31

And...

59:32

I think they got off on the fear. I

59:34

think they really enjoyed instilling

59:36

the fear in me.

59:37

And it-it did work for quite

59:39

a while. But...

59:43

after a while, it seemed like everything

59:45

died down.

59:47

And I didn't want to get complacent.

59:51

And just act like everything was

59:53

okay again and... manage

59:55

to get back on their bad side somehow.

59:58

Or whatever the case may be.

59:59

was. So I always constantly

1:00:02

just have a mutual respect and try

1:00:04

to kind of

1:00:06

keep my cool and keep my fear

1:00:08

out of it

1:00:09

if possible. People

1:00:11

ask me all the time, how are you so cool out there?

1:00:14

Oh, you know, I don't know how you do that.

1:00:16

Whatever,

1:00:19

you know, whatever different phrases people have

1:00:21

I won't say here. But

1:00:23

it's not. It's what you

1:00:26

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1:00:28

You know, you don't want to be cocky, but

1:00:31

you can't show fear either. You

1:00:34

know, fear will keep you alive, but

1:00:37

too much of it will get in trouble.

1:00:42

And don't hang

1:00:45

on to this stuff like I did.

1:00:47

I hung on to it for too long.

1:00:49

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1:00:51

of it.

1:00:53

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1:00:55

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1:00:57

myself included, for me to just

1:01:00

sweep it under the rug.

1:01:02

But the problem with that is that

1:01:05

lump in the rug, you got to walk over it

1:01:07

a lot of different times over and

1:01:09

over and over. So it's best to

1:01:11

just handle it. And

1:01:15

you know, there's nobody better than Vic when it comes

1:01:17

to this stuff and I'm a firm believer in

1:01:19

that, especially now. So I just want

1:01:21

to thank you again. And I hope I

1:01:23

did

1:01:24

a little bit of justice here. I hope my

1:01:26

details weren't too spotty and whatever,

1:01:28

but I guess that's

1:01:30

in a nutshell unless you got questions, Vic.

1:01:33

Oh, do I? I've got a

1:01:35

bunch of them. I'll tell you what though,

1:01:38

Mike, we're about an hour into this

1:01:40

and I don't want to shortchange all these questions

1:01:42

I want to ask you about what you told us about your experiences.

1:01:45

Would

1:01:46

you mind coming back for a part two so

1:01:48

I could run you through all those questions? No,

1:01:50

of course. Why not? Great. Well,

1:01:53

I'll get with you after we finish here tonight

1:01:56

and we'll get that scheduled for next weekend. We'll

1:01:58

take it from there, but before we get started,

1:01:59

Before we get out of here, I do want to ask

1:02:02

you about something. Earlier

1:02:04

this week, we recorded an episode of My

1:02:06

Paranormal Experience where you came on and

1:02:08

talked about your experiences, actually two

1:02:11

encounters that you had with a rake.

1:02:13

One of those encounters involved a Sasquatch

1:02:15

saving you from that rake. Mm-hmm.

1:02:18

Did you have that rake encounter, the second rake

1:02:20

encounter, before you had these Dogman encounters

1:02:23

or after it?

1:02:25

I believe that the rake encounters

1:02:27

were afterwards, yes. They were pretty

1:02:30

far after.

1:02:32

It was an interesting thing. I think it

1:02:34

was just more or less wrong place, wrong time.

1:02:40

It was just coming out of those underground

1:02:43

areas on those overcast

1:02:45

days. Like I

1:02:47

had told you when we did that, it's like a big,

1:02:49

big federal

1:02:51

building area and

1:02:52

a lot of underground tunnels and

1:02:55

a lot of woods around them that people don't use

1:02:57

that have no trails, which tends

1:02:59

to be where I bump into a lot of the weird

1:03:01

stuff.

1:03:03

And yeah, that was a very, very

1:03:07

interesting experience to say the least.

1:03:10

Yeah, interesting doesn't do it any justice.

1:03:13

That thing sure sounds to me like it had bad intentions.

1:03:16

But speaking of that, if you do want to listen to

1:03:18

that episode, if you check out the description for

1:03:21

tonight's episode of Dogman Encounters, you'll

1:03:23

see that I've posted a link to that episode

1:03:26

of my paranormal experience where Mike

1:03:28

talks about those rake encounters. But

1:03:30

having said that, Mike, it's time for us

1:03:32

to call it tonight, so I just want to thank

1:03:34

you so much for coming on and sharing the details

1:03:37

of those experiences with us. I really appreciate

1:03:39

it.

1:03:40

Anytime, brother. Thank

1:03:43

you. Oh, you know you're welcome. Thanks again

1:03:45

so much, and have a great night.

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