This week on Dopey! Author, co founder of Oro Recovery, husband of Alexis Haines, longtime super supporter of the show and recovering addict and alcoholic, Evan Haines finally calls in. Evan talks about his new book that he cowrote with Bob Forrest called Can America Recover? Which ponders that very question. We hear all about the origins of Oro, Evan's traumatic and sometime tragic childhood, and his eventual triumph in his recovery and in founding Oro. Then Evan reports on the great AA myth: "was Bill Wilson totally tripping on LSD?", mysticism in 12 step and so much more on a deep dive into the history and ideology within addiction and recovery. Check it out!

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