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Where I live in Southern

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California, psychic shops are practically

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as plentiful as coffee shops. They're

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a part of the landscape. I know people

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who have regular appointments with their psychic. It's

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the kind of thing you can drop in casual

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conversation, and no one bats an eye.

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And I can understand why. People

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want security. They want to know

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what the future will hold. And

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whether through tarot cards or a crystal

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ball, the fortune teller will

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hint at how your story

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will play out. Let

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me say up front that I don't know how this tale

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will play out or how it will end, because

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in this story, the fortune teller

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came to me.

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At the very beginning of this podcast,

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I never thought in a million

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years it would turn

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into what it is now.

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My name is Faith Pinew, and I'm a reporter

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at the Los Angeles Times. But

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back in October 2019, I was

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working at a small community newspaper in Orange

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County called The Daily Pilot. And

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that's where I first got a call from Paulina

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Stevens. Paulina told me that

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from the time she was a child, she was told

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she would be a fortune teller, that

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she came from a whole family of fortune

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tellers. And then she mentioned

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something that made my ears perk up. It

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was a warning about a psychic shop in Orange

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County. She told me that this

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was the psychic shop that she had escaped.

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I suggested we meet up in person at a

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local cafe. I'm a little nervous. I'm sorry for

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like, it's okay. I don't know. I'm

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like kind of nervous, but I'm okay. Okay.

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Take your time, whatever. Whatever

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makes you feel...

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Listen, people call reporters all the

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time with salacious tips. But

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when Paulina started talking, I felt like

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I was drinking from a fire hose. What

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do you do? You know what I'm saying?

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What do you do? Colina said she had

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an arranged marriage with a distinct couple of friends.

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that twelve it's like you're supposed

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to know you're getting married to you know that's like

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you're going through puberty like i was getting to all

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that her parents shielded her from outside

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or any kind of outsiders was a big like no

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no and then she was pulled out of school entirely

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at twelve years old i was actually

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lucky like i got to go to school

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up to sixth grade at

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the time i was used to writing stories

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on city council meetings and town art shows

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so polina story it was totally

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out of my wheelhouse it seem to

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big because

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ultimately paulina kept

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blaming her culture or culture her

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culture and disobey us

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then you disobeyed your culture paulina

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culture is romany i

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don't think i'd ever even heard the word romany

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before and that's because bra

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many people are often known by another

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name you know

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a gypsy you're not going to hear

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me throwing around the g word on his podcast

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because for many and the community it's a slur

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not for outsiders like me to use but

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at the time i had no idea because

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even a pop star like shakira

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casually throws around the g word

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it set against this catchy poppy backdrop

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like something you'd instinctively hum along to

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if you weren't paying attention you never noticed

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the lyrics are actually overtly

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offensive to damaged

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see you

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coming with me and

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my

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once i started noticing it i couldn't stop

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seeing the g word everywhere clothing

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brands and restaurant menus surfboards

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and teabags it's become a shorthand

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for something nomadic wilde

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deceitful romantic something

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exotic a style anyone could

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put on and were like a costume

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and

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there are two stereotypes that always

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come up that romney people

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are fortune tellers and thieves

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but

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the thing was paulina and her family

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were at

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fortune tellers. And while

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Paulina told me about her family and their

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history, she also seemed

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to be painting herself as those very stereotypes.

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She seemed to want to shock me to get me to pay

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attention. Like, the

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rule is no stealing, only scamming.

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Because people give you stuff so it's not considered

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stealing. Paulina

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seemed to be telling me, yes, fortune-telling

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is a scam. I am

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a scam artist, you know, born in bread.

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That's

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what I'm telling you. I just looked

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at her like, what? You

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know, you're sitting here with a reporter. Are

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you turning yourself in? I didn't

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know what to think. And honestly, it

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didn't seem like Paulina did either. Gypsies

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have a bad rep, and

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they should, I think. I don't

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know. Not all of them. And then,

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Paulina said, she had decided

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to leave. Because when I left,

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I had no education, I

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had two kids, no driver's

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license, okay, no car. You

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know what I'm saying? I had nothing, nothing, nothing,

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nothing.

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The franticness in Paulina's voice suddenly

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made sense. The unfiltered

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panic and blurting out extreme claims.

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It was the sound of someone stepping

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out of one world and into another,

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questioning everything she's ever learned.

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And this was certainly part of why Paulina

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said she had come to me. But

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it wasn't just to tell her life story. The

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real reason Paulina reached out to me

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was she needed help.

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Paulina has two

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little girls. And when she left her

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community, she was at risk of losing

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them. To fight to keep

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her daughters, Paulina did the number one thing

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people in her culture were taught not to do.

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She turned to the outside world.

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She took her case to the American legal system.

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and her custody hearing was coming soon.

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By leaving her community, going to the courts,

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and talking to the press, Paulina was

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opening up her life to a world

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of scrutiny and doubt.

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Lots of things

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are sad in the heat of a fight

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to protect and to not lose

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your children.

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It's hard to me to support you if I don't know what the

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f*** you're doing. Paulina was a diamond. Now

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she's just a stone.

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But Paulina and I kept talking. For

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years. As Paulina and I got

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to know each other, we peeled back layer

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after layer together. Both of us

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trying to get to the actual truth beneath

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the surface, to

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the place beyond the resentment and the

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stereotypes. You

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have to be exclusionist

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in order to preserve identity.

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You have to close ranks to

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prevent infiltration

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from outside. One

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time during a session she did

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a healing bowl and it put

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me in a complete trance. I

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opened my eyes and the whole room

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was like a white cloud and I could barely

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see her. What we offer

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is a spiritual

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practice and

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a spiritual, dare

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I say it, business, right? Because

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it's true of any community, of any

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identity, that there are stereotypes

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and there are truths. And

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while sometimes they can overlap in superficial

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ways, the whole and deep

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story is so much richer and

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more complicated than we could have ever predicted.

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It's weird actually how I went

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from loving it to absolutely

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hating it and now missing it.

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I'm Faith Pinyou

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from the Los Angeles Times. This is

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FOUR-TOLED. Coming April 11th. Listen

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