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design for you wow,

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that is right and theme

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with other interview today, amazing

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guest

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name chris and

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he needed and size five

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narrative podcast time some amazing

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people generally i have

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such as helen hunt elena

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humming stephanie beatrice are

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some other fan folks were in like ghosts

0:44

amazing stuff going on and

0:46

it sounds amazing as

0:48

well amazing scary right choice

0:51

that was scariest he that's just

0:53

a genre that scares you

0:56

so nice i would call a hard psi

0:58

phi it's kind of in the

1:01

guise of being trapped on trapped ship

1:04

and the science behind that the

1:06

level of

1:07

how did you married or grab and

1:09

moon was and spacewalks and all that like

1:11

an uber

1:12

an immersion and

1:14

immersive experience

1:16

thanks to and brilliant credible audio

1:18

and

1:19

very claude juncker so

1:22

stick around listen to our interview with chris

1:24

supporter on solar on

1:26

been showing isles want to talk events and something's

1:29

happening

1:30

the during his world

1:32

the

1:33

the only to the radio federal speaking of from

1:36

the as you said entered to

1:38

jump into

1:39

i think it's

1:41

i mean it's a super holberg amazing

1:44

writers contributed to this bug and

1:47

the radiant citadel is also something

1:49

new hello for all you dungeon

1:51

masters out there that are just looking for ways to

1:54

add

1:55

cool things fear him he's even

1:58

up just like pluck out

2:00

the radiant citadel and as use it in your

2:02

game now and

2:04

then go

2:05

please and thank you and

2:08

, adventures are just full of

2:11

amazing cultures and thing that you know

2:13

not deterred a typical western

2:16

com fantasies stereotypes you've seen

2:18

there's tons of things that will be resonant

2:20

for people all over the world so i'm excited about that

2:22

part of it to like to bury the house

2:25

we are at we it he play dd

2:27

for a long time he candidate used as some of the

2:30

the archetypes and are out there

2:32

and loves them i love playing with them but here's

2:34

a way to get some of those fancy archetypes and

2:37

you make them up mobile

2:39

the new cultural touchstones in there

2:40

very poor but lots of like

2:43

any anthology both are says a

2:45

lot of bits and bobs in there for

2:47

you to use and your campaigns and just

2:50

candid about

2:51

there are at least three characters named bob

2:54

and as soon i think members

2:58

we're not getting

2:59

rebuild their literal bits and bobs in there

3:02

are needed birds as them in the market

3:04

as market d first

3:07

manager saw the legacy

3:08

yum yum

3:10

yum yum yum yum also have

3:12

still jammer adventures in space

3:14

spin spin speaking of space

3:18

on the horizon the horizon

3:20

event horizon name is about it

3:23

yeah i'm yeah modelling

3:25

the sixteenth

3:27

really happening facedown

3:30

murdered hundreds of my faves

3:33

very , wales states

3:35

files

3:36

you seem like nowhere else right

3:39

and how big their here now thing

3:43

yet they just exists

3:46

among you system as you're just paying

3:48

it off oh and the the deck

3:50

of a spell jammer to such big giant

3:52

space well my

3:54

combine face hamsters

3:57

with are

3:58

the giant

4:00

four minutes or

4:00

in or manager giant pentagon

4:03

the woman

4:04

some plasma

4:07

now

4:08

among you as well

4:09

have you always want to play like jello

4:11

character and i can

4:13

i i mean i didn't know i wanted

4:15

to until i did saw

4:18

our i currently am asked like whereas

4:20

this character been my whole life

4:22

it's like those betty

4:25

crocker nineteen fifties kickboxer

4:27

like everything can be a jelly

4:28

i'm left and then in the mold the fleet

4:30

what to bring to your fourth of july party

4:33

is a ruse i could just like smash

4:35

myself into a mold until i got

4:37

bundt cake

4:38

on a boat a move the earth

4:40

the kind that have like the little designs

4:42

printed on the side like some for

4:44

some like autumn leaves like embedded

4:46

in their

4:47

that

4:48

when i come out of the more they have little

4:50

leave

4:51

i remember those things called them salads

4:53

to and like that there's not a valid

4:56

i mean it ah thanks

4:58

the entirely

5:00

we fight for stuff inside of it and you

5:02

can see it in articles that i can

5:04

mandarin oranges was are actually delicious

5:07

best in marshmallows

5:09

or whatever people put inside of

5:11

and it's like that consistency

5:13

that's like little little all that's the found

5:15

it makes and but you ain't seen

5:18

kinda like a gelatinous cube like you can see

5:20

what what's in it a lot

5:22

actually that's how we were the inspiration

5:24

was for a gelatinous cube in the seventies

5:27

in our hands full circle on will be able to play

5:30

a plasma it

5:31

in adventures in space wow

5:33

really fun i am playing

5:35

when and sometimes i

5:37

like to be and my gooey shape and

5:39

sometimes i like to be and like a humanoid shape

5:42

and when i become a human i had i like to

5:44

make sound effects when my limbs

5:45

now

5:49

i love that design is the

5:51

through nine podcast

5:54

i know chris porter might want to hire

5:56

me for the nes as next

5:58

the for season two

5:59

the get into a solar because i'm

6:02

available and you can seventy

6:05

plasma it's out there i'm

6:07

available to do the effect of

6:09

them

6:13

i mean the images

6:15

that are conjured up in my mind is immediately

6:17

otherwise my curriculum

6:22

and forget

6:23

now

6:24

we were able to paint a picture with

6:27

i am now a very tired

6:30

plasma it and her name is jelly

6:32

that

6:36

hurt me physically jelly

6:39

do is the name of

6:42

a i'm sure your

6:44

dungeon master because the love all of these

6:46

puns

6:47

the fellas other his

6:50

leg

6:50

gallagher who do you wanna do members

6:53

can do that

6:54

now can do that

6:56

that ah ,

6:58

he doesn't say that he's wonderful so that's

7:00

amazing well that will be coming

7:02

out very soon as i said in august

7:05

we've got ready and citadel in so

7:07

why and

7:09

you know some lance of dragons

7:12

lance of horizon

7:14

as well

7:15

maybe

7:16

we unfortunately do not have a be segment

7:18

for you here we com be segments

7:20

and of of the as another one lump inside baseball

7:23

here but we are excited to jump right in

7:25

have our conversation with chris

7:28

porter

7:29

the we hardly could have gotten my dad

7:31

come back with as

7:33

the kind of like thinks he's a big

7:36

deal now

7:36

he is a big deal he was wearing

7:38

a young dmd t shirts all around town

7:40

people love him

7:41

yeah he's

7:44

just like telling everybody is like a

7:46

podcast or maybe that's

7:48

where you've heard of ma'am like the episode has anyone come

7:50

out yet okay well nowadays

7:53

by the shows were like no one's even hurt nobody even

7:55

knows

7:55

they were

7:57

on the same as

7:58

i'm like a level

7:59

a mouse

8:00

i'm gonna die hard at

8:03

it

8:03

party award winning

8:05

the award winning dad my

8:08

dad's the as amazing

8:10

well i use great and

8:12

i believe our next guest is also be

8:14

great

8:15

agree everyone

8:18

, welcome chris porter to dragon

8:24

dragon and they have

8:26

audiences to yeah

8:28

there am very excited to have you

8:30

here no an

8:32

amazing

8:34

hi fi adventure

8:37

flash thriller podcast solar

8:41

the main why don't you tell us

8:43

a little bit about

8:45

polar absolutely i

8:47

, is a twelve episode plus bonus

8:50

content there's what we call recovered audio assets

8:52

between each episode that reveal little bit more

8:54

of the story story it's about

8:56

a spacecraft and close orbits the

8:58

sun the got overpowered by an enormous

9:00

solar flare that also hit earth so the

9:03

people who survived on boards don't

9:05

know if there is an earth that they can even reach

9:07

out to for health when their ship is stalking close

9:09

orbits the orbits i day

9:11

i bet surviving crew members are also

9:14

stuck on opposite sides of the ship as they're

9:16

trying to help each other so it's it's it's

9:18

sort of a big survival story of

9:20

what story , it take to

9:22

survive in a circumstance like bad

9:24

the frail humans just insects the positions

9:27

of us very large uncaring

9:29

son with unfathomable unfathomable

9:31

power

9:33

i'd up and yellow light

9:35

and yeah

9:36

the happy it's i

9:39

am so there's

9:41

who

9:43

the topics to

9:45

i'm know but i'm what's the very

9:47

easy word is that has escaped me bus

9:49

two types of a verb things

9:52

that give me anxiety like

9:54

in terms of like movies books at

9:56

john tv whatever one is

9:58

anything about

9:59

women's prison i'm i

10:02

don't ever wanna go to prison ever to i

10:04

was and like ever since i was a little girl

10:06

and like walked in on like something

10:08

that an adult was watching and it was a scene

10:10

from a woman's prison alec i'm never going to prison

10:13

i ever

10:14

on i've always read

10:16

our rules person ever since and so

10:19

it's actually really was keeping

10:21

me but the other one is like being lost and

10:23

says like that

10:25

proponent of gives me great anxiety

10:28

and i will say that the first two minutes

10:31

of the pilot episode of sorts

10:33

was go dislike like

10:35

the

10:37

it was so anxiety

10:41

ridden the i've molson

10:44

all just site sort of beware

10:47

if you're driving i don't know

10:49

that you want to listen to those first few

10:51

minutes of the car

10:52

right i mean we do you put a disclaimer

10:54

in front of every episode i saying like just

10:57

be aware that there will be sounds all around you

10:59

and also headphone listening is is suggested

11:01

obviously wants you to listen to it no matter what i

11:04

but we do try to warn people were like we we

11:06

really tried to mix this and three sixty degree

11:08

sound so please don't

11:10

crash require

11:11

oh i mean you you really

11:14

feel like you are there on the

11:16

spacecraft and things are happening

11:18

all around you it was incredible and

11:20

so the weldon i'm assuming that is the

11:22

emotion that you're trying to elicit from

11:24

here we ask our listeners but

11:27

yeah and we like to say sort of

11:29

our i

11:30

more overview pitch of it is that it's supposed

11:32

to be a journey to the center of our solar system and and

11:34

exploration of the vastness of the human spirit

11:37

and so that covers both

11:39

pay you know the science part of like hey we're

11:41

going to the some let's explore with the sun means

11:43

to mankind but then we also really

11:45

wanted to use the stress of that situation

11:48

in the isolation away from safety

11:50

and earth and people that you love to

11:52

really drive at home of why what

11:55

your self worth is and who you are as a person

11:58

so we really tried hard to explore both those paths

12:00

simultaneously like

12:03

gravity meads orange is the new black

12:06

for me as

12:09

sounds that i had a lot of anxiety

12:11

i will say it is not a space prison

12:14

but assassin i swear job

12:16

the board but there are other apps that are those

12:18

in noida as a of yeah there but i'm

12:20

really excited about the temporal

12:23

distortion polarizing

12:25

of his i'd something know as a reasons as enemies

12:27

obviously we're talking a lot about psi phi

12:29

i was in the guise of spell jammer now

12:31

can be used with the a d but like i i

12:33

am also like is huge hard side by

12:36

nerd sometimes and so that idea

12:38

of though like a search

12:40

again enterprise going

12:42

around the sign in like new taking advantage

12:45

of that temporal drivers hundreds of the theory

12:47

of relativity there is that part of way

12:49

it is that a component of this

12:51

it is and as a quantum

12:53

mechanics and i will just have to

12:55

like leave some blank spaces america

12:57

the delegates who spoiler is how that relates

13:00

becomes more important later on by

13:02

i even him the first episode the

13:05

non linear story so we're hearing recordings

13:07

of specific days and it always begins with a time

13:09

stamp from the ai system aboard

13:12

the seventies name is eight alleys from the eighth

13:14

on language interface ah who and

13:16

coincidentally is voiced by my code records

13:18

any curtis on i have but she gives a

13:20

time stamp so if people wanted to they could actually

13:22

map out on a calendar and figure out

13:24

what day and twenty forty five these different

13:26

events were happening i

13:29

button as with that like because

13:31

of that temporal thing it at first it feels like

13:33

it's it's almost the gimmicks because of how it's something

13:36

around but the longer you go into the story

13:38

the more important time becomes

13:40

and the way that we perceive time becomes nice

13:43

i will say all episodes are available now so

13:45

like it's feel free to binge it and then go back

13:47

and try to reorder it because we definitely

13:49

tried to leave clues and bread crumbs that you

13:51

wouldn't realize where there until your second

13:53

listen through

13:55

oh cool

13:57

yeah

13:58

right well now it's got a bit then

14:00

mixed in there soon as i as

14:02

syllabus possible

14:04

, what i

14:06

mean i can we be talking about this for five

14:09

minutes and we haven't mentioned this amazing cast

14:11

and again or or

14:13

these are all folks that people know what were we

14:16

were some of the amazing stories my have

14:18

i'm working with them i so i just

14:20

to run down the list real quick for listeners are stephanie

14:22

beatrice alan cumming selling hunts

14:24

i jonathan banks as the unknown but i'll

14:27

we were able to fit him into the groove because he just

14:29

works so well with with the combination

14:31

of voices of , honestly

14:34

i huge part of the story of the making

14:37

of solar is the fact that it happens

14:40

the pandemic so to speak i

14:42

wrote the first draft of the first four episodes

14:44

me at a table read of those in february

14:46

twenty twenty million three weeks later

14:49

ah the world like completely up ended

14:51

and sat down and it was like now me

14:53

writing the story about people in isolation

14:55

to can't talk to the rest of the world suddenly had a very

14:58

different tone smile at it i

15:00

was going into like some personally dark places

15:02

i just because it was it was

15:05

the nature of the story and i am not going to say that

15:07

it's an allegory for the pandemic to that was never

15:09

intended to be that is just the idea of isolation

15:12

and survival through it and trying to work

15:14

together was more resonant

15:17

posts pandemic era i

15:20

so we we then were able once

15:22

we got the script than we we did like table reads

15:24

over zoom for the entire as

15:26

season and that's when we started

15:28

reaching out to the larger name actors

15:30

we did either since for some of the smaller i names

15:33

that like the be less people are

15:35

but for these big lead roles

15:38

we sent out offers along with

15:40

some samples of the scripts and i

15:42

still remember stephanie beatrice was the first a

15:44

list actors who said yes the end

15:46

i remember i was out for a walk when we got

15:48

that email and i just like sat on somebody sends

15:51

out jenny my co director was like did

15:54

you get this email and she hadn't opened hadn't yet so

15:56

like we just had just had of just freaking out on

15:58

the sewn together like i believe this

16:00

is gonna happen i and then it happened

16:02

again without coming in and happened again with helen hunt

16:04

and we were just floored and flabbergasted

16:07

and it was just a huge honor to work with all of them

16:10

grammar or yeah the only by

16:12

we we also left out resumes in cook stirring

16:14

to in the pandemic so they couldn't

16:16

the out doing things so they were much more willing

16:19

to like

16:19

it was go to the can find studio the following

16:21

all the cdc protocols let's

16:23

do this thing where i'm in a booth alone and the directors

16:26

on directors other side of other glass so it's all completely

16:28

safe like hives so they would like

16:30

table next every what they it was a good timing

16:33

in regards to getting these people also

16:35

stephanie beatrice i hadn't been in

16:38

in cancer yet she had already done voice but there

16:40

are so animating at some i so

16:42

we kind of got her right before

16:45

her out the flight

16:47

launched with and current though and it was just good timing

16:49

on that front i that being

16:51

said the only person who couldn't come into

16:53

our studio in north hollywood to record and

16:55

was allen coming who

16:58

i had to record from his home i

17:00

i in new york ends

17:03

there is one day in particular because we only had

17:05

him for three days to record all his i'm

17:07

materials and one day it was raining

17:10

and we could hear it on the recording and we

17:12

were like it's were so sorry allen

17:15

we can schedule this for another day whenever

17:17

it's convenient for you we just can't do it as we

17:19

can hear it is no no no no i i got this

17:21

the disappeared for five minutes came back with two

17:23

giant quilt blankets and put it over him

17:26

and his microphone in his scripts and he recorded

17:28

for the whole day underneath these quilts just so

17:30

that we could get it on my man

17:33

that's that's a pro right best ones

17:35

and like a little money or no matter what

17:38

mighty do and how did his performances of

17:40

it zero and i would he said

17:43

see anything with angry frustrated

17:46

that so great

17:47

ah yeah this is amazing

17:49

i would actually my quilting was all you

17:51

needed to be down for the booth

17:54

now

17:55

buying you never told us that

17:56

ah

17:59

the about six

17:59

equipment and it's

18:02

so interesting to me that you are writing

18:04

the so

18:05

during covered like when things started

18:08

locking , and all of the similar themes

18:10

do think that it would be

18:13

could the sorry be different

18:15

if it weren't like during the normal times

18:17

it it this the plot wouldn't

18:19

be different but the way that they talk about

18:21

the isolation would be difference i

18:24

have for me i'm someone who in

18:26

my own personal writing process i have to

18:28

really find myself in that particular

18:30

character and it's not all of me but it's just like

18:32

oh here's the me in this particular character

18:35

the when some of the characters

18:38

talk about isolation

18:40

it was much

18:41

less

18:43

meaningful and person on the first drafts

18:45

where it was just more like oh i've

18:47

been alone for a long time yeah

18:49

whereas now it was like oh i'm is

18:51

going to restaurants like i miss

18:54

i miss that aspect of being social

18:57

and so as a result i think the characters

18:59

did get deeper because of the

19:02

writing failed to change

19:04

the make sense

19:05

yeah you're her everywhere it absorbs

19:07

the stuff is happening around you and kind of puts it

19:09

into the art the you're grading on the store at

19:11

your time around the indeed a vice

19:13

versa i am

19:16

the so yeah as i mentioned earlier

19:18

you know be have a spell jammer adventures and

19:20

space coming out very ,

19:22

and one oz

19:26

really important aspects

19:28

of it is of course i was like this fantasy say five

19:31

to end we don't necessarily go deep

19:33

into the kind of hard sigh five this but i

19:35

wonder if you at a d d player yourself

19:38

have any thoughts on how to

19:41

perhaps use his bit of like isolation

19:44

or like you know be lost to the and

19:46

the astral see with a spell jammer

19:48

how you can kind of get some of those aspects

19:51

of of side by story telling the haven't really been

19:53

able to able explored in in fantasy so

19:55

much i mean i

19:57

i don't know that this is gonna be universally

20:00

but hopefully someone will will connect with it bites

20:02

i just sort of like to look at

20:04

like what like when i was even conceiving

20:06

this way back when and twenty nine scene of

20:09

or what is the sorry that i wanted so and space

20:11

i just was initially like ours was

20:13

a story about them going to the far edge of the universe

20:15

or about them going to colonize alpha centauri

20:17

or whatever and then i was like oh no actually

20:20

haven't seen that many stories about going into

20:22

the sun obviously there's movies like sunshine but

20:25

i haven't seen ones exploring like what the sun

20:27

is of you know an actual

20:30

cosmic force so that's kind of

20:32

the inspiration for that so i in

20:34

some ways if it's like setting up your character

20:36

to do the thing

20:38

that you want to see and science fiction

20:40

like what is what is the thing that you want to explore

20:43

is it cools you explore

20:45

wetsuit is like is like like know what

20:47

ways they're cool hunting party but you could the

20:49

you i don't know if that's how for this kind of

20:52

the were would start

20:53

but in particular i mean just

20:56

playing as a playing as someone with

20:58

real emotions in an unexpected

21:01

space and i is really

21:03

valuable part in this

21:05

is gonna go to i the

21:08

campaign it's almost and we were playing the the stride

21:10

campaign the the

21:12

end there is this one moment where

21:15

out , is good friends name

21:17

is michael he's on our team of people

21:20

i his character is very

21:22

egotistical and it's he would always

21:24

do the thing that would give him the most power and

21:27

he picks up some weapon the chance

21:29

margaret vitamins some sort of a tree and

21:31

first them forever and i was my

21:34

character was livid as

21:36

him because it was such a dumb idiotic

21:38

thing to do and

21:40

yet the me part of me the

21:42

chris part of me was like michael played that

21:44

perfectly like he did he did

21:46

exactly what his character would you even though

21:48

it was the dumbest crap i've ever seen in my life

21:51

ah but it's exactly what decades to redo bit

21:53

like as like as it gave me

21:55

this weird sense of like oh now

21:57

i know how to tap into that the

22:00

anger as a character without

22:02

it being damaging to me cause i'm not angry

22:04

at michael my character was angry

22:06

at his chest and ,

22:08

that that sense of which isn't isn't

22:11

relegated to any of their settings

22:13

per settings it's just an emotion butts playing

22:15

the emotions real and interacting

22:18

that's true your characters possible i think is

22:20

the most helpful that interesting

22:23

yeah

22:24

we pride people talk about am lead

22:27

the for right where you're playing

22:29

at m b a even this and getting that example

22:32

it somehow chris

22:34

with angry with michael even own was your character's

22:37

rak a were interacting that way and how it's important

22:39

to you

22:41

brag about barriers add

22:43

to make it happen but i like where you're saying which is

22:45

like sometimes that allows a more freedom

22:48

to explore those motions

22:50

ah brand out you know

22:52

i mean that's mean that's you get into a deep sorting it's

22:55

almost like the bill i mean i don't know

22:57

what what ida alan cumming character

22:59

is like by incoming the person

23:01

was very helpful and try to help the

23:03

production happened yes when he could be playing

23:05

a big ass all that everybody hates right

23:08

an invalid yeah it's that we're dichotomy

23:10

are making art with with billions in

23:12

it in that you have you

23:14

know you'd be are offset everybody's lives

23:16

in congenial or whatever ah

23:18

and and is what you but once

23:21

the cameras are rolling in was the makes are going or

23:23

once the theater performing starts okay

23:25

know you a that person for all those things

23:27

right and such as we're dichotomy the only really

23:29

happens when you're oh i i personally

23:31

hate it and theater when the guy who plays

23:33

the villain where the woman who plays a villain comes out

23:35

and everybody booze at them because i'm i

23:37

know you you hear them they did their job

23:39

well like why hershey who are

23:41

, at the end of it and yelling yelling

23:45

know they did a good job like to do them when they're the

23:47

villa not when they're the actor who did the villain comes

23:52

to say but anna in wrestling like

23:54

that's the kind the kind as our the as like renowned

23:56

and cheering for my yeah in a negative do

23:58

today

23:59

the

23:59

open it on the right

24:02

there's so much

24:04

the know i don't know can i haven't read all these

24:06

different aspects of reform

24:09

how when you're

24:11

when people are doing this as

24:13

a

24:14

hard cash and they're all that so

24:16

they're not together when they're recording as

24:18

everyone record all separately or are they ever together

24:21

though i i do due to the covered

24:23

restrictions at the time everyone has a record

24:26

entirely separately i will

24:28

agree that there is a one scene in the entire series

24:31

where they did records together but they were actually

24:33

in separate boost across the hall from each

24:35

other as i sold their

24:37

in i won't tell you with seen it was easier

24:40

imagination and figure out which one it is i

24:42

but i i everyone had

24:44

to recorded entirely separately

24:46

that is alex just an additional

24:49

challenge for us the director and how

24:51

the part of

24:52

that he on acting as interacting

24:55

with each other responding to the other

24:57

person

24:57

i am era and so it's

24:59

this is where i think i was incredibly

25:01

brilliant and asking jenny decoder exodus with

25:03

me danny curtis i who

25:06

actually isn't actors or she has an

25:08

actress backgrounds i just to fill you in a little bit more

25:10

about me as well i work with the speaking as

25:12

a society here in los angeles which is an immersive

25:14

entertainment company either creates

25:16

three sixty a merciless i projects

25:19

and immersive theater for anyone who i is doesn't

25:21

know what that is it's where they're basically

25:24

not only the not a fourth wall but there aren't any walls

25:27

where the my actors will actually interact

25:29

and pull you into a space and walk around

25:31

and like ask you questions and your answers

25:34

may actually impacts the way the scene unfold

25:36

i , with you as an as an audience

25:39

member actually a part of the story

25:41

that's unfolding i so jenny

25:43

and i actually met through that where i don't i'm

25:45

not an actor but eyes and associates artistic

25:48

director for speak easy and they let me do a lot

25:50

of the writing in the music for that company

25:52

eyes console jenny was an actress though

25:54

it's or see got to perform a lot of my stuff and

25:57

so when i was looking to do

25:59

this to do that

25:59

didn't i say to i'm a

26:02

podcast companies ends i

26:05

hi i was like hey would you want to create

26:07

the thing with me now the thing i didn't

26:09

realize is that when we were going into a record

26:11

things this is the part that i didn't plan ahead but it just was

26:14

serendipitous i only

26:16

one of us was allowed to be in the recording

26:19

engineer booth at a time so you have the place

26:21

where the actor records that sealed off and

26:23

any of the place where it's like all the levelers

26:26

in the the guy who runs the board and everything

26:28

so only her or myself were allowed

26:31

in that space with the engineer at

26:33

any given time during the process i

26:35

the other person could join be a zoom and there was

26:38

never any question that jenny was gonna be the

26:40

in person director for these

26:42

actors there's being an actress herself

26:45

she could perform the other parts with

26:47

the people and she could help guide the performances

26:49

the way that she always pictured of the dialogues

26:51

going and i'll be sitting there listening and

26:54

if something would come up that i think was not

26:56

working with the script the be like hey can we tried this

26:58

way and i would offer my input and things i

27:00

her strength though is in that performance in the

27:02

production and of things and mine is more in post production

27:04

since our so come from a background of music and sound

27:07

design soon i so we had

27:09

this incredible i sound designers

27:11

name is cj drew miller in

27:13

he got what we were trying to do

27:15

and he figured out how to make it work with the of

27:17

yarn atmos and dolby atmos and

27:20

how to make it does three sixty all around you

27:22

sound and how to use different sounds

27:24

too actually telegraph

27:26

what space your and and things like that i

27:28

so i was more working with him

27:31

in tandem to get the sound design to

27:33

a level where journey than was offering the comments

27:35

as opposed to the when see was working in tandem

27:37

with the actors to get the performance while i was offering

27:40

comments and that's how he kind of arrived at the end products

27:43

hi

27:44

though it was very much all of

27:46

us think having a lot of conversations

27:48

and sending a lot of emails and notes trying to figure

27:51

out how to do the best way forward but in

27:53

the end it really we're very proud that

27:55

it sounds like it's all unified no

27:58

boy what a surprise record

27:59

the every person alone

28:02

it is also be so in that

28:04

there are they are alone no procedure

28:06

and suffer

28:07

how so there is only one scene where

28:09

they recorded at the same time and different booth

28:11

but i every other seen is

28:14

only one person at a time

28:16

no the screen to give me an

28:18

idea now for a

28:20

d indie game and so are we are as

28:22

i many let's see cel jammer unless as copy

28:25

or idea

28:26

gilbert lesser role player ideas

28:28

suicide

28:29

we have like a cast a crew

28:31

of for people something

28:33

happens there on a a spells

28:35

yammer but they can't communicate with each

28:38

other

28:38

the say science what

28:41

do you know what would happen as a dungeon master

28:43

if like you are if you really played

28:45

at were

28:47

instead of us are being around the table or on

28:49

zoom together the dungeon master really

28:51

only interacted

28:52

what each player individually

28:55

and gave them a scenario and i'm

28:57

up here be so there's one

28:59

there's one day i mean something happens

29:01

there that could impact the next

29:04

player but you don't you

29:06

don't know if you don't know the results of your absence

29:08

until like the ends and then

29:11

what would that look like if you can

29:13

you or maybe it's just like for

29:15

a part of your campaign like

29:18

even just one encounter this is a thing that

29:20

happens and you're you're all separate

29:22

and then you are some get back together

29:25

but like so so much as scenes

29:27

and because of things that you did that you didn't know

29:29

what impact other people on things that

29:31

are impacting your actually the result of someone

29:33

else

29:33

so ingrained might not that are

29:35

you with that play out i wonder if

29:39

i feel like that is something that would definitely benefit

29:41

from a zoom like if you're doing

29:43

it over zoom seek out break out room to jump

29:45

yes i said that were you were having

29:48

to like get up from the table and move

29:50

on a timer pretend like you aren't hearing and

29:52

i also feel like in addition to

29:55

tracking with the characters would do you would wanna

29:57

already have wanna plan for things that will happen

29:59

to the ship

30:00

regardless of their actions

30:02

right like an asteroid hits the zipper something like

30:05

abided by round three the asteroid it's descent

30:07

or somewhere that where they have to than

30:09

response to it and the choices they've made up

30:12

until that like if one person lowers

30:14

the seals are one person raise the shields or something

30:16

like that

30:17

the protection against an asteroid

30:19

i

30:20

they would do we have different consequences

30:23

yes for some

30:25

reason its reminding me of the

30:27

role playing zero and is and sandals

30:30

yeah where there are certain

30:32

things that are outside of what

30:34

you actually get to choose like even when of your character

30:36

traits i don't aspire like can it's

30:39

a big with the big the press moments you're playing

30:41

than candles i but there there's there's certain

30:43

elements that are outside of your control and i think

30:45

that would actually be really cool and i would love to do

30:47

that i don't see that being done

30:49

on a a a like i play by post

30:52

thing or something where it's not couldn't

30:54

contemporaneously yeah that's the way i yeah

30:56

right so that you could you know have individual

30:58

sessions with people and then a

31:01

or it'll have them post videos

31:03

or whatever and then and then deal with it i

31:05

mean almost reminds me of the way diplomacy

31:08

works at board game diplomacy works we are putting your

31:10

order yeah no one knows what your orders are going

31:12

to be and then you all reveal them later like having that

31:14

kind of happen yeah yeah i'm and

31:16

i agree with you shall i could probably work better than

31:18

encounter or as like and aspects

31:20

of yeah a campaign i don't think i would play

31:22

the an entire campaign like this it

31:25

doesn't really go be a one off or something like yeah

31:27

even if it was just like i

31:29

the next four hours were going to be doing this

31:32

mm an aisle yeah

31:34

rebuilding interesting

31:36

and i wonder like as a player

31:38

what would i like it when you could even have somebody

31:40

says not

31:42

i'm not fair for the party and

31:44

they could actually be trying to sabotage

31:46

you know

31:47

the road throw keep going

31:49

down this blue sky sessions i

31:51

i i even wonder about legs and in

31:53

the among us emergency meetings right were

31:55

like after x number of one on

31:57

one moments is the dm his legs

31:59

and i are on the mess hall

32:01

in and like a this is the situation

32:04

of their ship at large like what

32:06

would you fess up if you realize you completely

32:09

screwed the goat on something he would

32:11

you actually fess up to it or would you

32:13

try to cover it off our and against

32:16

an , as you buy them as much as a friend

32:18

a break

32:19

that's why not confessing

32:21

i'm around and cyber to

32:23

aggravate the with communications

32:25

, is really important in stranger things do about

32:27

like having to to

32:29

the first season summer spoiling anything

32:31

right like iraqi me getting back avoided

32:33

in the upside down and ah

32:36

the normal world and there's and aspect of that this year

32:38

to write were like to write because

32:41

you can communicate with your party members that when

32:43

you do is be such a powerful moment i

32:45

am that , are there are

32:47

i as i mentioned in the in that plot

32:50

synopsis stood there are two surviving astronauts

32:52

from the flair who are trapped on separate parts of the ship

32:55

down when the story first begins

32:57

i'd they've stopped communicating with each other

32:59

for reasons that will become on taxes

33:01

you go down the line by you what you're saying

33:03

is totally true that when i was writing a to was like but

33:05

why would this person reach out at this

33:08

moment to say this or why would this person

33:10

turn down this call in this moment to say this

33:13

and what exactly are the steaks that are changing

33:15

for these people at any given moment

33:17

the how many great

33:19

i mean i mother a story that

33:21

has multiple points of view i and

33:23

so that are separate and then when they interact

33:25

and come together mean as such

33:28

a great job and it's something we don't necessarily

33:30

explore that much in enough

33:34

tabletop roleplaying because everybody's around the group and everybody

33:37

can talk to each other and there's always like in

33:39

that aren't fun and beginning but i like this idea of

33:41

are splitting off am especially

33:43

for a spell jammer type thing where that's

33:46

a lot more possible when you're just a ship hurtling

33:48

through the astral see

33:51

the i'm so as a d and eve

33:53

santa and yourself when you were writing this

33:56

did you have like it gives

33:58

us this

33:59

being

33:59

the role playing game when nike i could see

34:02

this being as ago campaign setting

34:04

honestly i love that idea and never occurred

34:06

to see him while

34:09

while i was i i was riding miss

34:11

riding miss

34:12

that was when we actually started i doing

34:14

a new distraught campaign they

34:17

didn't start out with strive we started just and like the

34:19

regular sandilands i but i

34:22

we started doing them over zoom during the pandemic

34:24

in sodium the actually became my leg

34:27

respite it was denied that i didn't

34:29

have to stay up to eleven pm working

34:31

on the script where i could just like i'm

34:33

, going to take the next three hours gonna you

34:35

know have some nice drinking gonna sit there and

34:37

play this game with my friends i

34:40

though for me the india map in that

34:43

particular moment was my saving grace

34:45

as opposed to me saying like how

34:47

could this be a role playing game but now the sad

34:49

as the greatest aggressive o'clock

34:51

they got your next

34:52

combine your work with your hobbies

34:54

as much as i have nothing

34:57

, i'm not working from home i clearly

34:59

of good you know good boundaries

35:01

for for a piano

35:04

as i write my been shy of the last

35:06

year were going on going on i can't

35:09

, won't stop by

35:11

is so you got into the india lodgings

35:13

pandemic did you play beforehand were you a player

35:16

or you know before twenty twenty

35:18

so might have to deal with a little unconventional

35:21

in that i actually i mentioned i did a lot

35:23

of work with theater and one point i had and gig doing

35:25

music i as i

35:28

long beach and yes you long beach

35:30

ends i phone when he doesn't know

35:33

that's maybe thirty miles

35:35

away from l a but at the same time and take you

35:37

an hour as to get there so

35:40

i had a lot of time going back and forth

35:42

to do this so at this i theater

35:45

in long beach and i i

35:47

initially the first couples rises like we're just gonna

35:49

listen to music to the distilling music and

35:51

then i was like know like need something long

35:54

form it's going actually carry me through and

35:56

so i started listening to the adventures

35:58

own by the macro brother

35:59

the balance arc and i

36:02

caught up literally two weeks after

36:05

they've released the last of that particular

36:07

arc i just remember

36:11

i'm i'm a sucker for story like

36:13

any good story i so i

36:15

was just like weeping in my car

36:17

at the climax for that particular podcast

36:20

i i n's i

36:22

was like this like this and i started selling all of my

36:24

friends as like you have solicitous he has to listen

36:26

to this podcasts and thank goodness some

36:28

of them dead ends they were like oh

36:30

we actually really enjoy this and we will be released it

36:33

to do the

36:35

in the campaign and i was like great

36:37

i'm going to come up with it ends it's

36:39

ask about homebrew this was like homebrew and homebrew

36:41

and homebrew were like i went into this

36:44

with them i was like you guys are my friends you're not gonna

36:46

judge me none of us know how to play this

36:48

game very well stories from

36:50

the game mechanics any point times as as

36:52

you can do something and if it benefits the story

36:54

and makes sense will figure out a way to make it work together

36:57

i , it was just it was a hot

36:59

mess it was it was all over the place

37:02

and like powers were crossing levels were all

37:04

over the maps but we were having just a

37:06

blast playing in this little world that i

37:08

created in exploring the different characters

37:10

that they had created i'm some

37:13

day i promised them we will go back

37:15

and finish it but i had a couple projects come up and

37:17

we had to back burner that's i

37:19

and then then i switched

37:21

jobs to work it does bike as company and then

37:23

the pandemic happen so as a result that

37:26

whole game just is indefinitely south

37:28

for the moments are but it was then during

37:30

the ah ah during the early days

37:32

of the pandemic where the same group was like

37:35

hey why don't we actually do this and we're going to invite

37:37

you know someone who actually knows the insists

37:40

on them and anchors you gets actually just play

37:42

the game this time i ends

37:44

and as i find it just as

37:46

joyful and an entertaining and i

37:49

playing this game with these people in and

37:51

not doing it with the homebrew and homebrew and homebrew selection

37:54

a high it makes it a lot easier i'll say

37:56

that easier

37:58

in the sense of i understand what's happened

37:59

as a perfume

38:02

the throw came at a while and see what sticks hi

38:05

to be fun and games but i give him oh yeah

38:07

a in that i know where'd

38:09

where'd where my game was going so i promised

38:11

my group if we don't return to the game within

38:14

five years i will actually write them out one

38:16

would happen what would have married and our eyes

38:19

, the day will actually know what happens to their characters

38:21

to the did have a plan for where i wanted them to go

38:24

go yet notice this day we've

38:27

been doing the stride campaign now for a

38:29

while when the more traditional set

38:31

up and i think we only have one in two sessions

38:33

last oh wow i am

38:35

miraculously we've all kind of survives

38:38

i died but then was real vilified

38:40

i believe was the was i

38:43

said that there's something very wrong with my character that

38:45

even i don't understand yet at this point i'd

38:47

a i'd m knows but i just have knows but in the back

38:49

of my head nets or s taiwan

38:53

our as the face and the front of your head

38:55

yeah and i

38:57

target the facing the back of my head's an asshole so that

38:59

son

39:00

a lighthouse off a mind our

39:03

own good guys taught in the his people

39:05

and make sense and it's great

39:07

that is great i dea am snap

39:09

on an island he has a lot of on with that

39:12

guy i n but in another

39:14

one as i grabbed a lot he is running that's

39:16

the when the grub body's own i've aga santa

39:18

i am

39:20

the to write it off with fire hazard than

39:22

and at the maybe

39:25

grow saving throw this every the most out

39:28

of it yeah it yeah he's he's just a delight

39:30

and he he very quickly

39:32

learns what we were stir

39:35

in the game where is he like learned

39:37

that i really like having inner

39:39

player character dynamics and so he gives

39:41

me opportunity for that and he discovers that

39:43

the guy who plays the wizards the the

39:46

ah michael who grabbed the

39:48

amulet when he soon as i discovered

39:50

he loves doing stuff like that so he keeps

39:52

giving him opportunities on like it's

39:54

just these like wonderful little touches where

39:56

it's like he's listening to us and actually

39:58

playing the game casinos the

39:59

once us the have a good time

40:02

and at the same time we still completely surprised

40:04

him all the time

40:06

they were like a can

40:08

do you guys just did that escorting like yep

40:10

we did assess sorry

40:14

immense amount

40:16

is their similarities you see as like

40:19

as like as like arrives are

40:21

like yourself with being a director

40:23

as loans a way that you interact with characters

40:26

and both

40:27

them i mean definitely ah

40:29

it's it's a sense of play for for having

40:32

that willingness and storytelling we

40:35

obviously you're focused on like the our tour director

40:37

kind of concept where the director comes in

40:39

and he's like i know division that i want i know

40:41

this and you have to perform give me one thousand

40:43

and six of this one line until i hear it exactly

40:45

the way i wanted it soon enough people

40:47

do exists i i i

40:49

think it's a lot more fun for everyone involved

40:52

it went in there is that level of like talk

40:54

to me and i'm going to talk to you and

40:56

we have to create this thing together i

40:59

and i think that did that that may help

41:01

obviously like we couldn't has improvisation

41:04

and solar because we ,

41:06

everyone separately we needed the scripts actually line

41:08

up with i each other

41:11

the having met freedom

41:14

the creation is just a good

41:16

exercise in general i

41:18

it for any eight for whatever field your enjoy

41:20

exercising the creative muscle saying what

41:22

are you doing what am i doing and how is this helping

41:25

the thing that were doing together is just it's a

41:27

wonderful

41:28

wonderful thing

41:30

i like the i mean the i've i've been

41:32

in theater in other situations where you have

41:35

those directors that you're talking about

41:37

that are a little bit more no

41:39

stringent right yeah to get

41:41

my vision and everyone must be subservient

41:43

to it and i really appreciate the

41:45

folks that come up from attack

41:47

usually like i have you were mentioning having

41:50

i sound background and i've loved

41:52

working with directors

41:53

that

41:55

understand that there are just part of a team

41:57

they might you know b c

41:59

we're in the arbiters of like what finance have been

42:02

nothing but it is about getting ideas

42:04

from everyone and adapting

42:06

them arm and like a said people

42:08

who come from like a lighting designer ah ah

42:11

it even an acting background

42:13

sometime by as as your code record and like

42:16

just as much more of a that language they're able

42:18

to reacted to communicate better

42:20

with artists like that rather than just

42:22

being you know my where the highway

42:25

in in sometimes

42:27

not that i'm trying to brag about myself and come

42:29

from the post presence but is it

42:31

does give more freedom

42:33

to find the ways that the different many

42:37

years overlap mean right like

42:39

how how does music and sound actually

42:41

worked as as solidified unit

42:43

as opposed to you have sound and then you have music

42:46

night and my how how you

42:48

know if you do a late teens and you have a sound

42:50

que that matches the light seems what does that actually

42:52

means to an audience member i

42:55

it it it up that line of

42:57

thinking and i i find great

42:59

excitement in that as well you

43:01

can slow down tech rehearsal a lot or yes yes

43:04

yes whereas like i'm worse

43:07

ottawa performance motor i'm the director blood yes

43:09

or no that's get us to your problem but i've

43:11

been we're actor is actor serial killer

43:14

again like league it me to db

43:16

in that speaker okay no minus two db

43:18

and that's be does not have enough to plus ten

43:20

in this bigger was younger i'm like ok guys less

43:24

accurate yeah but

43:27

what's interesting is that was probably the show

43:29

ah probably game ah specific one game

43:32

called nocturne that was actually written

43:34

by anthony ramps brother oh

43:36

out of all it's so weird the

43:38

undies lasts for trade yeah i to makes

43:40

yeah i stuff our latest it's

43:43

all related but that one

43:45

was all related you're saying like was really had

43:47

the impact of the audience in mine

43:49

and how the three sixty sound could

43:51

make you feel a certain thing was more like i was

43:54

i guess you play inside this guy's head and his memories

43:56

and and and how he was processing

43:58

them and so ah

44:01

i love doubt now the dungeon masters

44:03

can take some of the those skills

44:05

and bring them timetable we've young

44:09

used , like siren sounded like you know

44:11

i i've ambient noises

44:14

to kind of bring to life that that

44:16

that immersion in ways that we're

44:18

not really possible you know the my ten years ago with

44:21

my technology we have now when i was a

44:23

d am i from our game i was

44:25

writing my own music cues for the different sequences

44:27

that i wanted to have haven't of course i

44:30

so he took me like twice as long to get

44:32

a game red colors like

44:34

was nice to get the whole soundless ready but

44:36

now i love aspects i love it when

44:38

people do that

44:39

yeah you a tech rehearsal for you didn't he sustained

44:41

yeah that's ,

44:45

a love that though i mean it's part of his way i have

44:47

this game room do with all these a

44:49

colored lights in here was to try to do

44:52

some of that as well and to give you the

44:54

tools to do it on the fly is our

44:57

it's a super by now it's super by it doesn't

44:59

take a lot to make just magic from out of nowhere

45:02

i remember the first time a

45:05

dungeon master dungeon master me a know

45:07

my character like actually been said

45:09

resale like either the know he actually put

45:11

a note my hand and i was like who

45:16

ever it only followers and

45:18

discusses the paper we've come a long way since

45:20

then but

45:21

no i mean i immersive

45:23

theater like we like we we

45:26

will hand people notes and it still feels like magic

45:28

is yeah we've we've become so

45:31

separated from their art that

45:33

it's when it's hands you a note it's something special

45:36

yeah

45:37

no going back a little bit too solar

45:39

cars i i still keep rattling

45:41

around in this in this kind of idea to do

45:43

and and how it relates to dmd and

45:46

little bit of this topic of did

45:48

, create a map of what

45:51

the ship looked like cited

45:53

really mad about where people are and how they

45:55

could communicate or not with each other i

45:58

i did i will probably

46:00

be a long time from now before so anyone

46:02

that drying because i am not

46:05

an artist's individual sense in any

46:07

way shape or form i you don't

46:09

want me to paint my own room let alone actually

46:11

be graphic designer i buy

46:13

like so i had a sketch to so that i could

46:15

say this is what the zip looks like when they say the network

46:18

arm this is where the network arm mrs with this looks

46:20

like this is how they're deploying the mission and

46:22

that became really useful with i see

46:24

their sound designer where i could be like

46:27

there any capsules their fifteen by sistine

46:29

the have you know plastic was of to a certain

46:31

point in his metal walls and their fans of their

46:33

the do the summits i so that he

46:36

could figure out how to sound was bouncing off the

46:38

walls and things like that i

46:40

but there there was there there is

46:42

like a map of the ship out there just

46:44

probably won't so it seems to frequent

46:47

and assess like to wear to wear of

46:49

but that's okay because i am too and when your

46:52

dm sometimes it doesn't matter you does

46:54

i need to convey the information and

46:56

in a when his eyes are doing that than as

46:58

it's an effective man

47:00

the

47:01

the but yeah definitely like trying to figure out how long

47:04

and like mapping out because there's

47:06

certain spacewalks to happen over the course of

47:08

the season i and if you listen to actual

47:10

spacewalks they're very long and they're

47:12

not that exciting ninety

47:14

nine percent of a time it's like

47:17

the you'd rather

47:19

using a few data excuses

47:24

and it's like you that the has to be precise because

47:27

like obviously there are lives on the line but it's like

47:29

we like we took liberties with that

47:31

and like mapping out how fast it someone reasonably

47:33

move and like and i just

47:36

because it we'll

47:39

it's an audio medium we got a guy here's

47:41

get has hours our brain right leg when the

47:43

we lose we lose gravity of see signs

47:45

throughout the show and so i suzanne

47:47

i had actually have a discussion of like what

47:50

does zero gravity sound like because

47:52

nothing , not the right answer for a podcast

47:55

i so the stuff like

47:57

that where we did take liberties we

48:00

know that you don't really hear sounds and space but

48:02

that's okay eyes but definitely

48:04

mapping it out to make sure all of that was in place

48:06

and

48:07

with him

48:08

go now i want the the addition

48:11

to the

48:12

the order

48:14

remix already podcast to get

48:16

an autograph large order now in was a real

48:18

time like twenty four version where

48:20

i get that you to stay my ocd and then be bold

48:22

enough to be like it's gonna be quiet for an hour and a half

48:25

or i

48:27

will say that there's as on guard

48:29

oh yes i will say that there's that seen

48:32

an episode as five the episodes

48:34

called the anniversary party where

48:36

we hear the titular i anniversary

48:39

party and when i was writing it i was like it

48:41

be really cool if all these conversations

48:43

happened at once and we get to hear from

48:46

the different microphones around the room so

48:48

we get to hear this conversation over here in this conversation

48:50

over here and in the background we keep hearing the other

48:52

conversations and i remember writing

48:54

and thinking like what that's cool that's neat hi

48:58

and then when we went to edit together the

49:00

voices i was like well this is a nightmare

49:03

us you know embedded out

49:05

like all of the people and figure out like

49:08

where they are so i can minded up for sound designer

49:10

to be able to space woolly place them and

49:13

, i had to write the music that's happening at the party

49:15

that would be replayed after every single one and

49:17

it and they on a was an idiot made

49:19

the characters talk about that parties

49:21

i talk about the music and how they didn't like it

49:23

so had to be just bad enough for people

49:26

to not legit but not bad enough for the items

49:28

to stop listening i was just i

49:30

whole thing where it was like oh like wrote

49:32

myself into a nightmare but when i think of

49:34

it that's the moment where i'm like where would love to just

49:36

year the entire anniversary

49:39

party happen at once for real life where

49:41

it's like all of the conversations is happening

49:43

at once i and that's yeah definitely

49:47

drive me nuts that boy am i a hard

49:49

things to do and parties in general

49:52

or hours loud bars right

49:54

side high can't hear you

49:56

the present i can do because there's a conversation happening

49:59

behind me that it out loud enough

50:01

where i can't not pay attention to it yep

50:03

right and so that sounds like torture but i

50:05

love the idea of

50:07

the getting added the control to the audience rain

50:09

like so yeah i'm forgive those old wendy's

50:13

became like the brain is and people do they are you looking

50:15

camera one or came into came camera three like

50:17

maybe you could do that me like me like the course

50:19

of his party raised into different

50:21

the number to definitely one of the pipe dreams

50:23

of audio that caesar was talking about

50:26

the used to be our eyes the equipments

50:28

to space ally room so he was

50:30

saying like is there a world where this could actually just

50:32

be a vr experience and you

50:34

can actually like lock on the person talking

50:36

and new oc over there and listen to this conversation

50:39

like ten or town so yeah and

50:41

it's very cool we did we were not

50:43

able to do that but it's very

50:46

good idea

50:47

living somewhere that this type

50:49

of content could go in the future right

50:51

as vr becomes more prevalent

50:54

in an empty for getting ensure that you start having

50:56

instead of just an audio podcast it's a it's

50:58

a vr content experience

51:00

i think that would be

51:02

very cool

51:04

i i also love the idea that i

51:07

love the idea that you could even do temporal stuff

51:09

with that where you can be in the room after the

51:12

event the are listening to his happens

51:14

hi

51:15

the that you can hear how the room got to be

51:17

the way that it is i love that kind of thinking

51:19

for sure i , know how

51:21

that would work with so in particular but there's actually

51:23

a world where you are storytelling

51:26

will move in a slightly

51:28

different way than just being a game or just being

51:30

a story and will be how you experience sorry

51:33

yeah

51:35

the iguana like an event happened at a party

51:37

right murder like a murderer's oh my god or something

51:40

happened right and then right

51:41

then all within the incidental conversation

51:43

the haven't before and really more important

51:46

and for you want to go back and times and blitz into

51:48

those to right predict the

51:50

clues

51:51

our yeah but that

51:53

could also be done in done in deep setting

51:55

to re like i have a good idea of there being

51:58

something that occurs

51:59

maybe light hearted mean is that a party the maybe says

52:02

by go you're in a tavern things are happening then

52:04

bam let's think about that will was actually

52:06

happening right here even i just summarized

52:09

it the dm as i as a sentence

52:11

or two but now okay my knowledge zoom in

52:13

or like gibbs give their players a magic item

52:15

where they could zoom in and temporarily

52:18

to okay what was the barmaid same to the

52:20

tavern keep exactly yeah i'm

52:22

if you think of a i videogame cells

52:25

from the over dean was it called they

52:27

were know it's it was it's i

52:30

don't know that i can spread it but it's basically about a

52:32

ship that was attacked by a sea monster but

52:34

you have to work your way backwards through

52:36

the logs and figure out who was

52:38

were when to get the full story of

52:40

what's happening okay now and i was more

52:42

like a narrative yeah im experience

52:45

yes

52:46

one lot of awards remember like it yeah i mean

52:48

visually it's absolutely stunning down

52:51

percent

52:52

very cool i mean that's how my dad was the only plus

52:54

it's not it's a very good get him to sing like visually

52:57

was very stunning so

52:59

now you've done this experience of of of

53:01

working and audio or any

53:04

brady in d have you ever thought

53:06

about doing more of of alive

53:08

play though the

53:11

and even podcast or anything like that oh

53:13

i mean i would i would love that i

53:15

don't know that there's the means at the moment

53:17

to do that with the company that we work with i

53:20

i but i what you know

53:22

alan cumming and how and hand will i'll jump

53:25

when an ass on at least see sense

53:27

of reality i

53:30

think there will be really exciting how it i would love

53:33

to do it as the short answer to that there's

53:36

no definite plans and also say that like we would love

53:38

to keep telling stories in our solar universe

53:40

i i'd we're working on that

53:43

as we speak who has gone

53:45

name

53:46

what am so

53:48

i'm curious about your at the writing for

53:50

the for solar when you're writing for twelve

53:53

episodes and are

53:55

you writing everything euro everything

53:57

at once did you write it out

53:59

right solder and

54:03

like and i think there's probably some similarities

54:05

with how a dungeon master mate

54:08

right at first

54:10

session center for yeah there's like similarities

54:13

there any tips that you

54:14

definitely

54:16

i definitely i the idea of

54:18

our enemy campaign with a little hook or ending

54:20

a session with a little hook right now you always

54:22

want to end , episode with a little hook

54:25

i sometimes it's a really big one likes is

54:27

a really big cliffhanger after i had the end

54:29

of episode one of solar because we wanted

54:31

to keep coming back to take an hour episodes

54:33

use i i but

54:35

some of some of them are smaller sometimes it's just you

54:37

know someone makes i i com

54:39

and that is suddenly it's you weird i

54:42

made all of that is to see swords the idea

54:44

of wanting them to come back like wins and accessing

54:46

going to be when's the next episode gonna be as

54:49

for me both in my when

54:52

i was doing my damning campaign ends

54:55

in solar isn't stories are in

54:57

general i always loved to know

54:59

the general direction where i'm heading

55:01

hi

55:02

don't know is i you've ever heard this

55:04

term but stairs and writers were architects

55:07

in there some writers who are gardeners i

55:09

, the gardeners are people like george

55:11

rr martin where they plants all the seeds

55:14

and i just hope the plants grow and to see

55:16

what happens and how the story unfolds unfolds

55:18

n's there's a lot of value and sprite

55:21

work being done in that field architects

55:23

are more the people who were like i have the hero's

55:25

journey ends i have the three act structure

55:27

and this is the event that happened here and this happens

55:30

on this page this this happens here and

55:32

they make the story and plug it into that

55:34

ends that's where you get stories

55:36

like star wars there's not really

55:38

like a right or wrong answer to that

55:41

i like to say that i'm i'm

55:43

more like gardening using calluses where

55:45

it's like i i want the plants to

55:47

grow but i need them to grow in the specific

55:49

saber the designers of this

55:51

particular wall i that's

55:53

the way the i like to work so usually when i start

55:56

writing start writing well this is where i see

55:58

the overall arc of the season going and

56:00

then i start going from their ends mapping

56:02

out will the speed is important here disputes important

56:04

here but we have space in here in i want

56:07

to explore this moment with this character here

56:10

i which is a little bit more freeform and

56:13

you'll see some of that the further on in the

56:15

story because you start meeting more and more of the crew

56:17

over the course of season one us alerts and

56:20

i as you get to know them dirt

56:22

everybody has a little moment where they kind

56:24

of gets her present

56:26

themselves to the audience exclusively

56:28

and say this is who actually am i

56:31

in these various ways and those

56:33

are the moments where i've tried to be more of a gardener

56:35

unless of a an architect so

56:39

i think that also applies to suffer you back to the in this

56:41

makes me was in the conversation but

56:44

it is like that's the way i like to the in

56:46

the that when i was doing my campaign my campaign the

56:48

general point that i wanted them to get to

56:51

but i didn't care how they got there

56:53

i would give the multiple avenues and say

56:55

take your pick do what you want

56:58

we were going to go on this ride together and

57:01

a lotta times they would do

57:03

that that was ten times more creative than if i

57:05

had been trying to dictate what they should have been during

57:07

the entire time

57:09

the more i'm a gardener yeah of

57:11

a dungeon master i i there

57:14

is there is a running joke that for wow that

57:16

in my campaign i didn't someone

57:18

was like i'm going to use the restroom and i was like we're not going

57:20

to the restrooms in my world there's

57:22

nobody goes to the bathroom i let us i

57:25

and so in protest the first time one of them

57:27

came across the bedroom he immediately said i'd

57:29

like to take a nap

57:30

then he rolled and he gets take a two hour naps

57:34

for , character and it's like like

57:36

didn't yeah that was a petty protests but

57:38

like of what's hilarious the hijackings

57:41

is that like that's hilarious to me and i

57:43

loved it so much that all these

57:45

other characters were doing stuff and he was the think i'm

57:47

taking a nap and i'm fine with it i would

57:49

be a role the dirty like man i

57:51

defeated in defeated off

57:53

right doesn't have the like sometimes

57:55

like ah this is worked and

57:58

what you say worked figure a guard

57:59

or an architect

58:01

the now hundred percent are attacked

58:03

you know that i want to be more gardener

58:05

but i definitely

58:07

and to structure i'm

58:10

, opposite i the guy i'm gardner

58:12

here i go i'm like you are a doctor

58:14

and gardener with choices migrate

58:16

i think i have maybe

58:18

an idea of how to get bear in

58:20

in both my damning style as

58:23

well as in a narrative storytelling

58:25

but like it is very much

58:27

like or know or even ah the ending is really

58:29

going to guides know the ending of going to has

58:32

you know these three aspects of it

58:36

light up to be there that would be a that

58:38

would be michael was rising them

58:40

the rain his book together because we get our combine

58:42

our forces into a tramp

58:45

an architect

58:46

we now

58:46

really like i mean

58:48

every beautiful home needs a beautiful

58:51

garden so we can

58:52

we all have our our

58:54

differences

58:55

i'd like to be like i think maybe

58:57

now i'm like an architect's

59:00

but i mean i haven't

59:02

saved and printed by

59:05

month it said

59:06

i forty so i always

59:08

like we're still like in designs

59:11

year ago i know things can change and

59:13

that's okay that's okay

59:15

it's okay

59:16

yeah as a better big thing to has been willing

59:19

to just when you have the architecture

59:21

so down that you're like i don't

59:23

know the snow this puts this off by one

59:26

the moment and beings like no no instinctual

59:28

just been will say like that's okay yeah right

59:31

i were like our our them the midpoint

59:33

of the season a solar happens a little

59:35

bit later than you would normally do it on paper

59:37

but i'm like know it feels better where it

59:39

is now so we're just gonna

59:41

though were fed yeah

59:43

that's a question so

59:45

isaac as creative as well as dn dmd

59:48

person

59:50

you often are well

59:53

agreements a my you're listening to other people's contributions

59:56

to the storytelling and think and think to give can

59:58

be this way i think it should be this

59:59

but as a director in a word

1:00:02

or writer creator about a lie or the dm you

1:00:04

the ultimate arbiter of like are we out as

1:00:06

a good idea to start a good idea

1:00:08

how you make that call it is it

1:00:10

just feel as you're saying of the just instinct or

1:00:13

or do you deliberate

1:00:15

on a do you like do pause and are

1:00:17

you like whom was table and like me think about

1:00:19

it for twenty four hours and come back to it like what's

1:00:21

your process like there for both the storytelling

1:00:24

as well as the am and how you decide what's right

1:00:26

for your story of a lot of times

1:00:28

instinctual he is the first choice and

1:00:30

working towards that's our but then

1:00:32

when i get see back i will often sit

1:00:34

on it and and figure out a way to incorporate

1:00:37

it's a lot of times where it's not even just

1:00:39

like he

1:00:41

just take this idea but like how do we take that

1:00:43

idea and and make it something even more

1:00:45

special where i have

1:00:48

i have aspects of i'm aoi

1:00:51

vs on language interface and solar for instance

1:00:54

i him she gives

1:00:56

these help desired temperature readings

1:00:58

of the capsules i when

1:01:00

the ship's not working on the different sides of the sept

1:01:02

so you can actually hear what the temperature difference is

1:01:04

between the two sides of the shifts out

1:01:07

and at first it was like oh we just need

1:01:09

to hear that the ship is more

1:01:11

damaged like need to figure out a way for

1:01:13

the ship to be more damage that was the new after the

1:01:15

first asked to them really well let's

1:01:17

say it was do temperature readings within like

1:01:19

a way to temperature readings actually tell you how

1:01:21

hotter cool it is at any given moment any

1:01:23

way to temperature readings actually give you actually spatial

1:01:26

guide for how far away it's

1:01:28

castaway so when you're in capsule when you're can hear

1:01:30

a capsule serious i and so

1:01:32

it kind of bloomed out from that and that was not the original

1:01:35

the idea that came from a note that we got where

1:01:37

it was like

1:01:38

make it work there the ship is damage than it

1:01:40

was figuring out the way to do that the make it

1:01:42

the coolest way possible

1:01:46

i i

1:01:47

also i there's we

1:01:50

had about halfway through of i really schedule

1:01:52

season once someone on our

1:01:54

twitter posted this series of what

1:01:57

was going to happen and some of them

1:01:59

were oh awesome and some

1:02:01

landlords wholly wrong and some of them i was

1:02:03

like i wish we had the mets are that the

1:02:05

fact is that of the show is done at that point like it

1:02:07

is it is what it is and you can't have that

1:02:09

remorse after the fact it's it's either

1:02:11

so you just gotta have confidence that you

1:02:13

knew what you're doing but i

1:02:16

i in you can

1:02:18

do i hated thursday it on anyone but

1:02:20

last you can do the last thing where they're like oh

1:02:22

no that's not it and the not have a cooler answer

1:02:25

i mean okay if it is the same thing that

1:02:27

someone's it's it doesn't it's not bad of

1:02:29

someone predicts the ending if you it's a really cool ending

1:02:31

like that's that's okay the

1:02:34

runway that's where people want in story to young

1:02:36

they want to be able to feel smart and few

1:02:38

read a predicted and as you have to

1:02:42

throw so many curve balls at the end it doesn't

1:02:44

feel satisfied oh

1:02:46

right and i that's good for damning to like

1:02:48

sometimes you know i've

1:02:51

i play with demons who who have tried

1:02:53

to subvert archetypes when

1:02:55

i usually and like all

1:02:57

yeah down doing so

1:02:59

that's around him like you know i actually really just

1:03:01

want to meet a paladin just good

1:03:04

say a satellite dish include like

1:03:06

night lease and in around one

1:03:08

day i'll people are in and be altruistic

1:03:11

idea you don't always have to have already oh

1:03:13

it's breakers every russia has absolutely

1:03:15

yeah yeah

1:03:18

it's about finding out how to give those

1:03:21

roby endings are trilby things in

1:03:23

a way that still feels

1:03:26

likely original even though rail it's it's with

1:03:28

the or retreaded ground

1:03:30

mom get we felt like solar is

1:03:35

you know about the breaking some

1:03:37

of those molds in a didn't feel like even though i'd be

1:03:39

i guess compared to other things

1:03:41

it does feel like it is this weird measure that i've never

1:03:43

quite heard hopefully i mean like of i'll be

1:03:45

the first to admit like we drew inspiration

1:03:48

from a number of sized by sources

1:03:50

i like ali is obviously

1:03:53

some form of descended from house he's a very

1:03:55

different characters and how but like any time you

1:03:57

have an ai aboard a spacecraft immediate

1:04:00

everyone's gonna say oh that's like house

1:04:02

so it's like yeah let's hope is there like

1:04:04

we can avoid that but hopefully

1:04:06

we do some things with alley that are unexpected

1:04:09

holly lives

1:04:10

that's right my

1:04:15

, i'm so

1:04:18

we

1:04:19

we do have to ask because

1:04:21

we

1:04:22

we need to ask this question

1:04:25

the about about your new car yes so

1:04:29

, as i am and i mean mean

1:04:32

i do says and the same with drugs

1:04:34

is coming to an end very soon and

1:04:37

we've been through enough campaigns with their current

1:04:39

characters has been kind enough to let us know

1:04:41

that like we're kind of becoming super powered

1:04:44

ends at that point it's best to retire

1:04:46

those characters i

1:04:48

in the way that we played the indy

1:04:50

we played that we're not just walk into

1:04:53

any situation in can immediately test three spells

1:04:55

and resolve it some i so he's

1:04:57

like we may be restarting miss so just

1:04:59

be prepared to this may be the end of your character

1:05:01

which also was great because that means any of us could die at

1:05:03

any given

1:05:04

hi

1:05:05

but i've been playing now for like a year and a half

1:05:07

two years as agree extra

1:05:09

lock out blue dragon born

1:05:11

barred i n's he

1:05:13

is he is so

1:05:16

much a part of me and i

1:05:18

i that of who i would

1:05:20

like to be someone who is much more confident someone

1:05:22

who is able to walk into a room and

1:05:24

tell a story or joke and everyone's just like yes

1:05:27

this is wonderful i that

1:05:29

i was like i don't wanna say goodbye to him yet

1:05:32

so earlier this year i was looking for

1:05:35

a car and i ended up getting i it's

1:05:37

not even an extra hundred car just a toyota chr

1:05:39

i twenty twenty it's a red car and it has

1:05:42

this blue trim inside and

1:05:44

for whatever reason i was like i

1:05:46

think the cars name is greg man

1:05:49

so i just started calling it reacts it was like

1:05:51

oh that's great so now it's like you know where did where did reacts

1:05:54

i n's i it's somehow

1:05:56

is this wonderful little tribute to the characters

1:05:58

were just grown so loving and have

1:06:00

that he didn't want to say goodbye to yet so now having

1:06:03

for probably another decade the say

1:06:05

, never going to mount a par with the size raised

1:06:08

i entered it was very difficult

1:06:10

trying to explain trying my family why i've

1:06:12

read car was named after named blue dragon

1:06:15

named grads by necessary

1:06:18

it works i love

1:06:20

that animals that related people who name

1:06:22

their vehicles in those who don't ah

1:06:25

family has always been

1:06:28

bolland him by name i don't know why we

1:06:30

have you

1:06:30

we are definitely of the naming of the car

1:06:33

yeah far we've got renner we get to

1:06:35

read guys we get silly and route

1:06:37

ruby

1:06:39

the

1:06:39

the my name million ruby

1:06:41

we had i'm sylvie and

1:06:44

hershey nicely about

1:06:48

how they just recently got my car oh herself

1:06:50

as a result science park the car and so

1:06:53

i had my father just recently got father white carney named

1:06:55

at all us and ah

1:06:58

the

1:06:59

where are we call the white doves

1:07:02

for some reason

1:07:03

very poetic as though

1:07:06

, came here he was so quiet welcome as as

1:07:09

a client like it when when

1:07:11

you know it's a white doves and to slice

1:07:13

smell of i had a parent or well as

1:07:15

quiet like it was pissed

1:07:19

and criminal big dogs

1:07:21

were there are digitally quiet but it was wary

1:07:23

rats an hour of swing

1:07:26

would have been choir i like using all those document

1:07:28

is like how their i know you and everyone

1:07:30

listening as and again and as wasn't all

1:07:32

the know he al all was

1:07:34

how we our that would have been have good name yeah

1:07:37

next we can we i'll bear neck out

1:07:39

there you go all back to

1:07:41

dmd i'm

1:07:44

so solar is out

1:07:46

there ever been to listen to it but you're also

1:07:48

game zoning it as it as your account

1:07:50

on this year right that's right we're going to be on a

1:07:52

panel with these so car serum

1:07:55

you know how i know them or yeah

1:07:57

which is which is fully i fantasy

1:07:59

we

1:07:59

the recorded at i i'm the

1:08:02

only when he says as but i feel like they're sister podcasts

1:08:04

ah because we record is at the studios

1:08:07

where the that are owned by the guys who made

1:08:09

car serum god i've seen indo

1:08:11

i eyes and zoc indo homes and

1:08:14

i i they were producing the

1:08:16

second half of their there's

1:08:18

first season while we were recording

1:08:21

our dialogue

1:08:23

so as a result or shows kind of like

1:08:26

somehow in my brain coexist together

1:08:28

and i together we're doing

1:08:30

a panel on audio storytelling

1:08:33

creating for the imagination i

1:08:36

unfortunately they're releasing they've

1:08:38

asked everyone to release the schedule late

1:08:41

i because they still moving things around to get

1:08:43

everything defense so i don't know the exact

1:08:45

time and place but if he would follow either solar

1:08:47

the podcast on any platform where

1:08:49

on facebook twitter instagram i

1:08:52

we are i hadn't or car

1:08:55

serum which is c a r

1:08:58

e r e m

1:09:00

hi if you fall either one of those will be posting

1:09:03

as soon as we know where were we will be so

1:09:05

i have added about that's talk about

1:09:08

audio dramas and when i you have people

1:09:10

follow you and and on the housing the undies

1:09:12

does this last i five podcasts

1:09:14

you making you bet i am

1:09:17

i chris porter on facebook

1:09:19

there's probably a lot of chris porters so just kidding

1:09:21

around i've lived here i

1:09:23

, doesn't help my images a little robot sort of

1:09:25

the matter assassins on

1:09:28

instagram i am at kosar zero

1:09:30

to see away s t e r zero

1:09:32

two two then this one's

1:09:34

really trippy but on twitter i am magnificent

1:09:37

beast with all the vows removed from the word

1:09:39

magnificent high status

1:09:41

because they were a lot of for supporters

1:09:44

and a lot of coasters and i got to the

1:09:46

game of twitter to wait so twitter had to get

1:09:48

really outside of the box

1:09:50

ben ali's do not you know chris porter

1:09:52

sixty nine or madre which

1:09:55

, pretty sure authority to say to have

1:09:57

say to at the first ones like man

1:09:59

well done ah

1:10:02

i'm excited i am looking for new

1:10:04

podcast so i think going to jump in our to

1:10:06

listen dishonored sounds amazing from how you described

1:10:08

it and i can't wait to

1:10:10

have that anxiety than i know

1:10:13

the a dress be riding your bike or drive

1:10:15

just for the first up on

1:10:18

that don't agree with that c

1:10:20

or anywhere in

1:10:22

, in the words some be an orange is the new

1:10:24

black black settling

1:10:27

down with titles anyway

1:10:29

modern massive i was watching as

1:10:31

a new mom as well so i was already

1:10:34

insists about that and ramon all

1:10:36

and night the woman's prison say it was

1:10:38

it was tough mean away maybe

1:10:41

i wasn't and exists mom maybe was because i

1:10:43

was blessing oranges than average

1:10:46

because i am i was blaming myself

1:10:48

that was really just my tv watson

1:10:50

mccracken glad

1:10:54

, could bring that right lads around to women's

1:10:56

prison prison

1:11:00

well thank you so much goes for taking

1:11:02

us all to this women's prison we really we my

1:11:06

pleasure to have to break out

1:11:08

today although drains present

1:11:11

or it is a user buskers marcel

1:11:13

dead meeting you like way

1:11:16

i enjoyed jogging to chris so

1:11:19

much

1:11:20

while fun

1:11:22

the creative dude

1:11:23

really just love

1:11:25

anyone who names their car specially someone

1:11:28

who names their car after their deity i

1:11:31

know that johnny mayday

1:11:33

i had a car named boomer named

1:11:35

after a character belasco

1:11:37

star galactica

1:11:38

oh i am a car name bomber

1:11:41

the was enormous

1:11:45

that way named a bomber to the yeah yeah

1:11:47

like out like i'm world war

1:11:48

you bomber it was just

1:11:50

i can to

1:11:52

yeah ford granada

1:11:55

the seventies oh and it

1:11:57

was actually quite cool

1:11:59

the about

1:11:59

while

1:12:01

they'll be like very it wouldn't sit down

1:12:03

seattle's

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oh

1:12:09

yes then

1:12:10

we do never be able to parker

1:12:12

i can certainly i can even minute oh

1:12:15

hundred percent yeah i mean it was like a boss

1:12:17

that it was my dad wanted me to have

1:12:19

a say

1:12:20

are no friends

1:12:23

the i say it's with lots

1:12:25

of see still a lot of room in the backseat new

1:12:27

i can ah have

1:12:29

, thought of that dragged dragged

1:12:32

to take all your friends to the

1:12:35

water park

1:12:36

there is to

1:12:39

they have water parks and bring up the

1:12:41

he was in africa when i have this guy

1:12:43

oh god

1:12:44

them and i don't know because my dad

1:12:46

said i could only drive that far from home

1:12:49

to school and back in it will it

1:12:51

and you were rules follow are so you did not

1:12:53

die as laziness and lady present

1:12:56

with your for i

1:12:58

wonder what i saw as a child

1:13:00

i was hard to think about why what

1:13:02

was

1:13:03

no wonder was like a big the locker

1:13:06

what i don't know what a bit of a stake in

1:13:08

the cafeteria and like

1:13:10

i remain biting like

1:13:12

physical fights and food flying

1:13:14

everywhere live where is of

1:13:16

an anger and i just couldn't

1:13:19

imagine being there are it like

1:13:21

in the gray sweatpants was actually is

1:13:23

kind of comforting

1:13:24

i've actually been wineglass dvds

1:13:27

a separate of our fired i can relate

1:13:29

else what is the elderly by a british

1:13:32

prison where miss piggy is able to break

1:13:34

out of in the game up game caper

1:13:38

i always thought the criminals in that scene where

1:13:40

very polite but then i just realized they were just british

1:13:42

yeah no , guess maybe

1:13:44

or a british women's prison with

1:13:46

these other federal know i

1:13:49

go and ago

1:13:51

are we going to send your the dragons our correspondent

1:13:53

to the prison in my hometown

1:13:57

i would go and you

1:13:59

know this

1:13:59

the and bring the indy bucks

1:14:02

accent or that you know

1:14:04

would you know that you know what i am

1:14:07

free the other while lamb guess

1:14:09

he is for my area and

1:14:11

he didn't entire book that was doing

1:14:13

creative writing classes with a

1:14:16

winner the women's prison in my home and

1:14:17

the thing amazing oh really

1:14:19

yeah because it is like i've been working

1:14:23

are you needed people still need to create

1:14:25

art sometimes when they're incarcerated oh my gosh

1:14:27

probably more sell their problems

1:14:30

and everything that was like it was really great ah a

1:14:32

therapeutic thing for for for them

1:14:34

are just so as a sign of just

1:14:36

like the indy to be exactly yeah

1:14:38

storytelling and that way

1:14:40

yeah yeah but i don't want i'm

1:14:42

just i'm just like scared

1:14:44

harrison sides i just don't think i would

1:14:46

do well in that environment that's all

1:14:48

you know you like paper here

1:14:50

like how piper was yelling at him think i was going to be in prison

1:14:52

but now i am

1:14:53

yeah but she handled it better than

1:14:55

oh thanks way

1:14:57

yeah i know you'd i think i see i want to receive

1:15:00

a story don't know regen not

1:15:02

all birds labour like a character like shelley

1:15:04

who got everything right

1:15:07

but in his wrongly accused and guess

1:15:09

into a prison and then asks you

1:15:11

said happen either way out

1:15:13

don't know right by i think i would just feel like

1:15:16

i would

1:15:17

curl up and i would try to get a job in the kids

1:15:19

yeah

1:15:20

read it was rad below cooking

1:15:23

the line way

1:15:24

i just oh my god no i

1:15:26

can't i'm not said

1:15:27

well i'm not going to do the trope

1:15:31

starting your dmt character

1:15:33

in a prison them

1:15:35

yeah because as you know the

1:15:37

preview things like this is a air

1:15:39

not a safe space epics

1:15:43

just as scared of scissors

1:15:45

does he over the nonexistent campaign repurchased

1:15:48

efforts think yeah very

1:15:50

much slow thank you all of you for listening to

1:15:52

our ramblings on this here

1:15:54

episode we all love it episode

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1:16:39

on twitter and instagram

1:16:42

you remember when we had long

1:16:44

for like amazon or is done on

1:16:47

august and craig mazin

1:16:50

fine friends get know can you it i guess

1:16:54

ah , started listening more to give

1:16:56

knows these like all six years back as a

1:16:58

guy member that joke that we had for like six

1:17:00

years ago make a better than hers is ah

1:17:04

no

1:17:06

don't remember sexy saying i'm only

1:17:08

gonna go back in back to the archives

1:17:10

it was a bad position back then i'm

1:17:15

all right you're all wonderful people and now it is time

1:17:17

to see what is going on with

1:17:19

junkie to shoes are yeah

1:17:22

alright so you have completed your

1:17:24

task that was given to you by level so

1:17:26

brand the open lord of water deep

1:17:28

and you are currently in castle on are deep

1:17:31

the naps

1:17:33

then someone our

1:17:35

knocked at the door

1:17:37

then you're following them i believe you had rolled

1:17:39

a success a dad else check a crit

1:17:42

nine twenty on

1:17:44

a stealth sector follow them

1:17:47

they were going up a tower look

1:17:49

like they're going up a staircase

1:17:51

that was whining around and around up into a tower

1:17:55

so you re

1:17:57

i did morning time a young

1:17:59

a little bit i can do do

1:18:02

happening outside and i it is

1:18:04

bright new nice france you know from

1:18:06

as i did yesterday to

1:18:08

alter i see that like tons of

1:18:11

cat naps i over the course of an

1:18:13

entire thing sleeping on the four poster down

1:18:15

agreed he said he slept in the the

1:18:17

roof of a four poster better supply than as a cat

1:18:19

island which makes sense

1:18:21

the following feather falling through energy

1:18:24

fine and pop , yet right right

1:18:27

so yes morning time john guards

1:18:29

are moving this way man if you like the council's

1:18:32

coming to life and breakfast and

1:18:34

being served contest know served wafting from

1:18:37

the kitchens i'll be coming up

1:18:39

this tower beautifully known can hear

1:18:41

you and then at then top of

1:18:45

they are you have been hearing the footsteps of the

1:18:47

person that you are falling up there and

1:18:50

die easter hearing

1:18:52

recession and hushed tones

1:18:54

you know what you're saying but yet but

1:18:56

they are

1:19:00

entropy

1:19:02

the

1:19:03

when you do and i get a little closer with

1:19:06

, extra hi ah

1:19:11

, it's

1:19:12

make me yourself check

1:19:15

and

1:19:16

i can okay oh dear i

1:19:19

growled so you you're very

1:19:21

hungry i'll listen to the have been sleeping for a while

1:19:23

but you do still kind of creep up you hear

1:19:25

you hear have a i have a of

1:19:27

a single

1:19:30

they are as you're going up but it's not

1:19:32

too loud and it could just be a bird flapping

1:19:34

by

1:19:35

the ain't gonna unload a closer and

1:19:37

you're able to can i can train your neck

1:19:39

around and ,

1:19:41

a view of what you see and it

1:19:43

is a human woman

1:19:46

woman robes on

1:19:49

different from little sober and kind

1:19:51

of like more raggedy can brown roads

1:19:54

speaking to something

1:19:56

that is outside the tower

1:19:59

you can't get [unk]

1:19:59

you on it but it does is used doesn't

1:20:02

actually speaking to anything

1:20:04

from anything from vantage point but she's like some kind of straight

1:20:06

ahead out at sea and to the west

1:20:10

and here i'm saying

1:20:11

the see my season a trans or something

1:20:14

or like really

1:20:15

no actually she seems pretty agitated eyes

1:20:17

is is no are around and i am

1:20:20

not well well

1:20:23

are you have

1:20:26

okay

1:20:28

hi i'm going to make my way back down the stairs

1:20:31

okay

1:20:33

i am i right the railing

1:20:35

the whole way of

1:20:39

of as well as

1:20:41

to demagogue about assert their arrival

1:20:43

bigger acrobatic such as you try to go down the stairs are

1:20:45

still going to be stealthy his friends that i'm sorry

1:20:48

i'm trying your fast of trying gotta tell

1:20:51

you how to generate subspecies used

1:20:53

i didn't he hit the been as our our

1:20:56

our but used to continue to go down home

1:20:58

and tiny and like leading her years overdue and

1:21:01

damage but you know down to bonobo you're not know

1:21:03

don't think you are very bright about it

1:21:05

and and you hear footsteps coming down

1:21:08

from atop the tower either a high

1:21:10

i need to i'm going to go try to find lara

1:21:13

right ah so you see a

1:21:16

guards and can a dignitaries passing

1:21:18

by here this is generally a public

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places aren't careful

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that

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the word were all can you put him in a letter of law or

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on this overhand silver hands and as liberal there's

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miss liberals or hands slow so

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i am i gotta say alvin

1:21:34

one and a half old woman comes up to you and says or

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as i'm sorry what it used earth are you

1:21:38

just to randomly naming are open

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lord

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looking for her

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can you please bring me too

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yo you are

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then he chooses

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i'm her guests

1:21:49

he i think i would normally

1:21:52

have thrown you out with that name but i do

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remember the hearing

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that you have done something important and

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right

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and maybe we should be a little more

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open minded when it comes people's names with

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zero and ah my name

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is amethyst

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that's actually really beautiful name

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i used to seeing

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a farm with me having how fast

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i says she takes you and has been

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withdrawn and will pick withdrawn up next time

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okay okay

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, wish i stayed but whatever i'm

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hungry yeah i mean