0:06

Welcome to Dragon talk.

0:08

Yeah. Day.

0:11

We are excited to talk to you

0:13

on the official London's Jag of

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Podcast.

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Yay. I

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am good to eat up, and that is Shelley Matador

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Bla.

0:22

Hi. How are you?

0:25

Doing so good. Very excited to be here and

0:27

chat with you on this day of days.

0:31

Me too. I don't know how

0:33

to tell this to you, Greg, but

0:35

I might have found your dog. Now

0:41

for those of you listening, Greg, Tito,

0:44

and family did say, help

0:46

us find a dog. And I

0:48

am like a dog broker. I

0:50

have my finger on the pulse of all

0:52

of the shelters around Seattle

0:55

and sometimes foster through

0:57

them. So I get to see, like, oh,

0:59

like, this these dogs are coming in

1:01

from Texas and need

1:02

foster

1:03

homes so I get like, you know, it's like

1:05

a pocket listing in real estate.

1:08

Hi, dogs. However, this one is

1:10

not one of those. This one is available through,

1:12

I believe, Seattle animal shelter, and

1:15

His name is Milton. Milton.

1:18

And he is a terrier mix, which I think is

1:20

good for you because there are some pet allergies.

1:22

I don't know what the mix part is, but

1:26

He's quite dreamy. And

1:29

we're gonna have to run it through the gamut,

1:31

see if it'll be given a thumbs

1:33

up by the Tito ladies. Okay.

1:36

Alright. Well, I'm afraid to start sending

1:38

pictures because I I have a feeling

1:40

that the Tito ladies are gonna have very soft

1:42

hearts when it comes

1:43

to. Any furry little

1:45

four legged creatures. Wow.

1:47

Since you sent the link for the

1:49

shelters, they have been doing exactly that. But

1:51

they're like, oh my god.

1:53

Milton Tito.

1:55

It's named Joaquin or whatever.

1:57

Yeah. Alright.

1:58

This guy is like Oh my

2:00

god. It's cool. He's

2:03

a snuggle buddy, great little walker,

2:06

and he loves everyone. Well,

2:09

he won't love me. I

2:13

do not like dogs. I'm such

2:15

a jerk. I don't wanna be the parent who is

2:17

like forbidding dogs just because

2:19

I have you know,

2:22

annoyance factor with them. Also

2:25

on the fact that the one who will have to pick

2:27

up

2:28

whatever it leaves behind.

2:30

Not necessarily. From

2:32

eight AM to four PM when

2:34

everyone gets home.

2:38

Unless you wanna come over, can you come over and walk

2:40

the dog for us?

2:41

I would walk your dog.

2:42

You have to roll some animal handling to make sure

2:45

it Like, Sam.

2:47

I'm skilled in animal handling.

2:49

Yeah. You are. You're trained.

2:51

I'm trained. So I Lockpicking

2:52

as well as people to get into my I

2:55

was Milton and

2:57

Shelley is outside.

3:01

Don't mind the hex blood. Don't mind.

3:04

I'm leaving you a fingernail so

3:06

you can talk to me and tell me when it's

3:08

time to go for your

3:10

walkie. And

3:11

the dog would probably just eat the fingernail.

3:13

Whatever.

3:14

And become hex blood itself. See, I understand.

3:16

That's how it all that's how it all works.

3:18

But anyway, Greg Tito needs a dog.

3:21

So everyone, please help me and my reshade

3:23

in getting a nice terrier

3:25

for the Tito

3:26

family. Terriers

3:28

for Tito's. Oh my gosh. That's

3:30

I love it. It's got it's got a literation, poetry,

3:33

everything is going on with this cause.

3:36

I love it. I love it. Well,

3:38

III think you may have had

3:40

some animal handling in in your latest

3:42

D and D adventures.

3:44

With my children's Yes. I

3:47

I have to just tell you. I

3:50

am a dungeon master. You

3:53

are. I don't even

3:55

know what's happening anymore, but

3:57

I like roll in to an elementary

4:00

school with bags full of stuff

4:03

and I sit down in a

4:05

table and we make

4:07

stories happen. And they're playing

4:09

with these kids and let me tell you

4:11

There are definitely some that

4:14

we will probably be working for

4:17

in the future. One in particular

4:19

is like he's baby,

4:22

Jeremy Crawford. Like, I can absolutely

4:24

see him in, like, sweater vest talking

4:26

about D and D roles, like, super into

4:28

de risking. He's, like, Well,

4:30

after the first session, I really

4:33

got interested in dungeons and dragons, so

4:35

I decided to read the rule box.

4:38

And I said, what rule

4:39

books? And he goes, all of them.

4:44

Did

4:44

I tell you this? I

4:45

think so. I think so. Okay. But I'm

4:47

excited because I love that this kid

4:49

is so learned. Well, so

4:51

that was the first week. Second week,

4:53

he then invited a bunch of

4:56

friends to go to Meples, our local game store,

4:59

and to teach people. How to play,

5:01

to teach all of his new

5:02

friends, how to play dungeons and dragons.

5:04

Nice. So not only is he learning, he's

5:06

teaching, and learning by teaching, I love it.

5:08

Exactly. So it is

5:11

very delightful to see inspiration

5:14

happening. And, like, when they, like, really start

5:16

to get it, it's It's really cool.

5:18

I I can't believe that

5:20

I am enjoying

5:22

this. I'm doing it, you guys?

5:25

After years of you being adamantly against

5:27

it, not wanting to wait in, you

5:30

have in fact done

5:31

so, and now you're swimming. You're not you're

5:33

not just waiting. You are full on immersed.

5:35

I feel like I might be swimming,

5:37

but I definitely still have, like, the

5:40

little swimmys attached to my arms.

5:43

I'm not quite quite there yet.

5:45

They are definitely throwing some challenges

5:48

at me, but I am I

5:50

I feel like I'm like, okay. Like, whatever.

5:53

Just yes. And I'll just make

5:55

it

5:55

happen. Not panicking, not

5:57

panicking. We get into some of that. In

6:00

this interview that is coming up, we

6:02

talk to April Raygun. She is

6:04

a Atlanta based TT RPG

6:07

player in tons of live streams

6:09

and charity drives. We're gonna hear all

6:11

about her journey in

6:14

getting into dungeons and dragons as well as

6:16

making it a big part of her life.

6:18

Yeah. But before we do that, I

6:20

wanted to just acknowledge the

6:24

huge boullet

6:26

in the room. There

6:28

has, of course, been some controversy in the

6:30

Dungeon and Raygun community over the last

6:33

month or so regarding the OGL

6:35

and what Wizards was gonna do with it. We

6:38

have actually wanted to engage a lot

6:40

more on this with Dragon talking perhaps

6:42

we will in the future, but

6:44

we wanted to at least know that many

6:47

community members who listen to this, who are hurting,

6:50

still are hurting, and we

6:52

are committed to building all back that trust

6:54

and make it happen. But for now, Raygun is

6:56

going to continue with what we've always done,

6:58

which is focus on the stories and

7:01

the community and how they can

7:03

come to life. So that's what we're gonna be doing here for now.

7:05

There, like I

7:06

said, there may be more interviews with

7:08

people around this topic to come.

7:10

Yes. Thank you, Greg.

7:11

Thank you. Shelly

7:12

literally told me she was gonna yes and Plus

7:15

one, told her, we

7:19

have yes. Than

7:22

than in it with all of you.

7:24

So Yes. Yeah. We and right. That's

7:26

that's actually a really good point. We've all been, like,

7:28

watching and crying and and and gnashing

7:30

our teeth along with everyone else at

7:32

this. Yes. But we have great

7:34

community and we love you guys.

7:37

Yeah. And we want to let you up. Is that what

7:39

we're gonna continue to

7:40

do? Yes. And

7:41

have been doing in the background. Alright.

7:43

So here we go. Let's talk to April

7:46

Raygun. Yeah. Yeah.

7:49

Let's welcome April, Raygun two,

7:52

Dragon Time. Yay.

7:55

Oh, yeah. Hello.

7:59

I know what else to say, but hi.

8:01

The words said if you're here calling all the way in

8:04

from Atlanta, Atlanta.

8:07

Yes. It is a beautiful sunny

8:09

day here today as I just

8:12

jesters if this was a video thing

8:14

and not a

8:15

podcast. You can't see the sun, but I promise

8:17

it's there. And we can see

8:18

it. It looks beautiful.

8:20

You sound like you're in a sunny area? We are

8:22

a cold It's still sunny, but

8:24

cold to Seattle. Oh, I

8:26

love Seattle, though. I I like the cold.

8:29

So now that it's like sixty, it's too much for me.

8:32

Oh, sixty. That sounds amazing.

8:36

That sounds like summer. That's all

8:38

my my Florida relatives will say.

8:40

It's like, oh, it's cold. It's like, seventy or

8:42

my coke.

8:43

Yeah. You shut your mouth.

8:45

I put on a long sleeve shirt. Yes.

8:47

How are you doing? But you have been

8:49

doing tons of t rpg

8:52

live streaming and lots

8:54

of organizing and so many fun things.

8:56

You're you're in a lot of games right now.

8:59

Tell us about

8:59

them. What do you what do you play in? Right

9:01

now, tonight Today's Wednesday. Wednesdays

9:04

are fantastic kings and we're to find them. Wednesdays,

9:06

when they just comes

9:07

out, I don't know why I keep thinking this

9:09

is, like, in person live right now. That's

9:12

okay. I

9:12

hate to hear really you. Awesome cobble

9:14

bard for a

9:17

street channel called, that's how we roll. Hopewell,

9:20

who a lot of D and D people know

9:22

is IBM, and she's doing phenomenal. I'm

9:25

in another one where we're doing, like, ark a hold

9:28

where I'm a plot of this barbarian,

9:30

which I just like playing

9:32

weird creatures. And I get to play

9:34

a two foot tall barbarian and it's the

9:36

happiest you can make

9:38

me. That's amazing. Okay.

9:40

We're gonna test back on that.

9:41

From your heart out gnomes. We got platypus.

9:44

But then on the other side, III play

9:47

a six foot two Raygun

9:50

Andres

9:50

Strato, where I'm the tallest member

9:53

of the party as a ferry.

9:56

Did you get enlarged? Is that what happened?

9:58

So it's a homebrew world. So fairies

10:01

don't get the ability to enlarge or reduce

10:03

until much later. So we're all

10:05

just full size fairies until later.

10:08

Oh, that's

10:09

amazing. Okay. I love this.

10:11

I

10:12

like that you just like to play against type

10:14

a little bit. Just as much as

10:16

possible. Yeah. That's what it should be.

10:18

That's what it's for. Like, why why

10:20

be a human? I ask all

10:22

of you people who play

10:23

humans. We're,

10:24

like, like, plays Elbs and Tiflians.

10:26

I wanna be, like, a a weird

10:28

creature.

10:29

Yes. And I I am here

10:31

for it. Right? Find your fun. That's what

10:33

it's all about. Right? For some people, it is being

10:35

a fun human because you can be Only

10:37

now. Slightly weird without necessarily

10:39

being other world

10:41

be?

10:42

Yeah. Just I play human in real

10:44

life. I don't even play one in the game. I see

10:47

too. Yes. With all of these

10:49

other options, I am gonna just

10:51

go for something

10:52

different. But I don't even

10:54

think that's all. There's more. Right? More campaigns

10:56

that you're there's a vampire in the masbury

10:59

campaign coming out that we we literally started crowd

11:01

funding today, North by North Quest, which

11:03

is a deity podcast. Our new season is

11:06

coming out, where I play in a b boy. Another

11:08

just small, you know, awkward

11:10

thing that I could get. There's

11:13

a bunch. There's other things coming out

11:16

that I can't really talk about

11:17

yet. But I promise

11:19

you I'll be a spaldier creature in that as well.

11:22

Now did you when you started playing, were you always

11:25

in the vein of playing against

11:27

type or or

11:28

or, you know, strange creatures? I

11:31

I like a lot of people, I think, when I first

11:33

started, I played I played an elf. I

11:35

wanted to be a hot elf. That's all I cared

11:37

about. And then I realized how

11:39

much you can actually do and the things you create

11:41

and the features you can play and I

11:43

just found that I had more fun doing some

11:46

of the things that weren't the the norm.

11:48

Mhmm. Mhmm. What

11:50

would be So when you decide to play

11:52

a character like a platypus. So

11:54

how do you get yourself into the mind

11:57

of, like What? I can't even really

11:59

imagine, like, what? Tell me about

12:01

this platypus character and what this platypus

12:03

character

12:03

is. Like, Perry, did you have to watch a lot of boys

12:05

at a chasing bird with the Yeah.

12:07

Perry, the platypus. Oh, wow.

12:09

He the I

12:11

kept trying so hard to stay away from a p

12:13

name because I kept going five. But

12:16

please don't have to push. Wait. No. I can't

12:18

do that every time I just started

12:20

going into the newish first voice and

12:22

I had to stop, which is why my character's

12:24

name has an a name now. But

12:26

funny enough, I walk around and chase the cat my

12:28

my my Like, even though I bought

12:30

some of us wack at them for certain on

12:33

that day and that day only.

12:36

They're like, oh, it's a DND day. Yeah.

12:39

They've gotten used to me making weird noises as

12:41

I run around the house with them depending on the day

12:43

in the game.

12:45

Nice. That's

12:45

how you get in the head space. That makes sense. You just crack

12:47

at them. Alright? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

12:50

I do a lot of, like, running or around the house

12:52

with my arms down and, like, just shake back and forth.

12:54

Like, there's anything, like, a plan to push on two

12:56

legs trying to run.

12:59

None of this really helps, but it's fun.

13:01

Get your lips in a duck lips shape.

13:05

Mhmm. Yep. Very popular.

13:07

For the selfies. Very popular. Yeah. Let's

13:10

get the platypical slip. So

13:12

okay. And are the other players

13:14

in this campaign also Small

13:18

odd

13:19

funny enough. For our could hold, we all

13:21

are small. We have a a Tibaxi,

13:25

Harrangon. I have a platypus, a

13:27

full boat. None

13:29

of us are really human weight.

13:32

That's did you plan it to know that?

13:34

Just at all at all. Eleven. And

13:36

Allen is the other one. Yeah. You're almost planned

13:38

on being animals In the session

13:41

zero, we just started saying, what do you wanna play? What do

13:43

you wanna play? And we just realized that

13:45

we were all

13:47

just creatures and not human weight.

13:51

I

13:51

agree with that. Yes. I'm I'm feeling

13:54

like children's book. Here.

13:56

I feel

13:57

It'd be a pleasure. I played in

13:59

a Red Wall campaign called Eurelia 5E0.

14:02

And that was also kinda we all played

14:04

cute little animals in the Redwell world where

14:06

I played in otter twins with one of my

14:08

really good

14:08

friends. My gosh, an otter. That

14:11

was the best. That is the best.

14:14

My my son and I have a thing about watching

14:16

videos of just Otters just being Otters.

14:18

Every time I find one, like, oh, like, I'm ready

14:20

to just pull him out of school. I'm like, I need

14:22

I need my son right

14:23

now. I have to show him this video. don't

14:25

know

14:26

if you're tired. I like their videos. I got hooked on watching

14:28

them for that game, and now I still every so often. I'm

14:30

like having bad day. Click on the Zulink.

14:32

Exactly. Right? They deserve you cannot

14:34

be unhappy looking at

14:37

Otters. Just Otters doing anything.

14:39

It's impossible. Agree.

14:41

Agree. So what what

14:43

is your on ramp into D and D?

14:45

How did you get started? It's

14:49

I hated roleplaying games. I didn't

14:51

like them. I had some belief that experiences

14:53

and didn't wanna play. I had moved

14:55

to Atlanta and all

14:58

the streaming stuff has gotten really big. And I

15:00

was like, okay. Maybe this isn't

15:03

what I thought. And I went to one

15:05

Atlanta meetup first

15:07

gamers, and I met my friend Nikki who

15:09

was like, hi, you're a girl. Do you wanna help

15:11

me plants ladies? Which was a charity event

15:13

that to do Atlanta when you could

15:15

still do big charity events live, where

15:18

we would have all fem DMs.

15:20

We would, like, encourage more fem players. You'd like,

15:22

a discount on your take it for, like, the bar crawl,

15:25

and we would throw these big charity events. And

15:27

that kind of COVID hit.

15:30

Wow. Oh, no. Right when you're finding

15:32

our second big charity event, so we just moved

15:34

it

15:34

online. And I just kinda got stuck here.

15:37

You

15:37

had no choice. Yeah. I didn't

15:39

have any I I literally was like, I don't wanna

15:41

play deep. She's like, you're gonna help me. And I'm like, okay. I guess

15:43

I'm helping you now. What are the rules?

15:46

So ladies is relatively

15:49

new. That started

15:51

right before COVID. I think twenty nineteen

15:53

was our first actual charity event. So

15:56

we like, right after that happened and COVID

15:58

got real big in twenty twenty, we went online. We're

16:00

currently on hiatus. Mhmm. We're doing

16:02

a huge revamp. We're actually changing the names

16:04

so we can be more inclusive.

16:06

Because not everyone who is our group is a lady,

16:08

and we wanted to change that. Nice.

16:11

It is a great pun though. Really? I know.

16:14

It's it's a great name. We're

16:16

gonna try to incorporate that still because we do

16:18

love our name. But we like I said, I wanted to

16:20

be more inclusive to our non FEM

16:23

presenting or female binary

16:26

friends.

16:27

Yeah. Definitely. And that's important.

16:29

Right? I mean, I think as your as your

16:32

Talking about this as well as some of the negative experience

16:34

you might have had, like, it is important to make sure

16:36

that you show what is great

16:39

about Dungsten Raygun. In

16:41

game, whole bunch of different people from

16:43

different backgrounds getting together to solve

16:44

problems, and then doing that,

16:47

you know, around table as well. You

16:49

get better you get better results and more creative

16:52

outcomes and games when you have a greatly

16:54

a good diversity in the group.

16:56

Yeah. How do you you

16:58

know, what what's some advice that you could give

17:00

for some folks who may have

17:03

a group that doesn't have a lot of diapers

17:04

soon? Like, how do how do you make those

17:06

inroads and try to try to be as inclusive

17:09

as you can. I think, especially with

17:11

everything going online now and the ease of playing

17:13

online and DND beyond, and all the books

17:15

and stuff that you can get. It's

17:17

just putting yourself out there,

17:19

which can be hard, but getting

17:21

a disc chords. If there's a stream you like, a lot

17:23

of times they have a discord group. If you hop in there, you can

17:25

meet new people. And just just talking

17:27

to different kinds of people and and learning

17:30

more about the community around. Can help.

17:33

Yeah. And then it just extended invitations.

17:36

Right? Like, it looks a little bit just, you know,

17:38

you have to put your hand

17:40

out there and shake someone else's hand in order to

17:42

I

17:42

mean, metaphorically, in order to to

17:45

to get that happening. So our first lady's

17:47

campaign, it was Nikki and I, and a a friend

17:49

of ours who was part of Slates in Atlanta. And we

17:51

just put an open open

17:53

application online. And that's how we met so many

17:56

amazing people and kinda started

17:58

building our community and how I started

18:00

beating some other people and kind of branching out as well.

18:02

And a lot of the games I do have those

18:05

open applications, which I know

18:07

it could be terrifying. An open invitation for

18:09

a game is so scary sometimes. But

18:11

you can sometimes find some of the coolest

18:14

people. Yeah. So

18:15

when you say open invitation, does that mean

18:17

like that's come to the table and

18:19

we'll just like, you're asking

18:22

or inviting people to come play with you.

18:24

First ladies, we would have, like, those nights where you could

18:26

just open invitation, anybody community, anyone line

18:28

who wants to, like, kinda meet, just let us know, and we'll,

18:30

like, kind of arrange games and help you out.

18:32

We had applications for other games,

18:34

so people would kind of

18:36

apply. And so you can kind of help weed weed

18:38

out and find the people that are best suited

18:40

for your game. Yeah. That application

18:42

process is so I think new

18:45

to the last five years. Right? Like, where

18:47

in the past it was, like, there were so

18:49

few many people or or was harder

18:51

to make connections And so you're like,

18:54

oh, well, these are people who played the Indian in my town

18:56

or, you know, in my game group. So this is what happens.

18:59

To now, where video conferencing

19:01

makes it, you know, all the geographical barriers

19:03

are kind of down and you

19:06

can be a little bit more choosy not

19:08

necessarily in, like, oh, I like this person. I don't

19:10

like this person, but being, like, alright, this is gonna

19:12

mesh the type of game that I want. Right? Because

19:14

-- Yeah. -- both the chemistry and the content

19:16

that people want to experience from the Dungeonmaster

19:18

needs to needs to be on the same

19:20

page. Yeah. Mhmm. And it's and I

19:22

it's Chusi is a good word, but also,

19:24

like, it gives you more opportunities. Like, I've

19:26

met so many cool people all over the world

19:28

playing this game that I would have never met

19:30

if I had just stuck with my small group or if I

19:32

just stuck with the five people I knew. I

19:35

I now play with people Australia and New Zealand. We

19:37

had people in our event from, like, Korea

19:39

and New York and London and Ireland,

19:42

and there was one from Germany It's

19:46

it's I get to play with all these people who

19:48

are so cool and

19:50

it's it's great. Yeah.

19:53

And it's really a lot of work. It's just

19:55

so it's cool that, like, you have

19:57

this thing that connects you to all

19:59

of these people around the world. Like, there's

20:02

you can have many different experiences

20:04

in your everyday life and where you grow up

20:06

and where you live and and whatever

20:08

is happening. But together, when

20:11

you come together at the table, you kind of have that

20:13

common ground. That's something that we

20:15

can all relate to. But

20:17

I think it's just it's fascinating that it's

20:20

like, it's it's everywhere. I

20:23

failed. Did

20:25

you were you gonna go to move on something else or I

20:27

don't know. But

20:30

Sorry. I would say, like, kind of plus one

20:32

because I've I've heard this a lot from people

20:35

who had not

20:37

a lot of choice growing up, playing Dungeons and Dragons.

20:39

Yeah. But then now, you can see

20:43

other people playing online and and and

20:45

you can see,

20:45

like, Oh, no. Right. And then

20:47

you can emulate those people and be like, oh, I wanna

20:50

do that kind of game right now and

20:52

and focus it a little bit more rather than

20:54

having to stick with generalities that will

20:57

fit, you know, a group that might not

20:59

necessarily fit together? So

21:01

I was an army brat. I grew up. Mhmm.

21:03

I was in a different school every year of

21:05

my life until, like, junior year of high school.

21:08

But, like, if they had a way to play online

21:11

when I was younger, like, I could have changed everything.

21:14

I never got to have a group that lasted

21:16

more than a couple weeks. I never got to play with

21:18

people more than once or twice. So getting

21:20

to play a longer game, getting to meet people who

21:22

are, like, able to, like, we can

21:25

match schedules and have all these things that we can do online

21:27

that you couldn't do in person has really changed the way

21:29

think a lot of people play how you look

21:31

at the

21:31

game. Yeah. But my

21:33

husband is an army brat, and he actually

21:36

said that D and D has

21:38

helped him because he would always

21:41

have an in with somebody. Like, he could

21:43

always almost find another

21:45

D and D player. They were a little bit more

21:47

secretive about it. But

21:50

they could assess each other out. So he would

21:52

have, like, that sort of, that social

21:54

connection because of playing d

21:56

and

21:56

d. But I'm

21:57

thinking of that old trope of, like, you know,

21:59

teenagers hiding magazines or comic

22:01

book magazines

22:02

except he's hiding a DMG in

22:05

there. That's awesome. If I would have been friends,

22:07

if I would have been friends. I only did, like, one

22:09

group of kids who played D and D, and they were, like, the

22:11

worst kids. And so

22:14

I was like, I'm just gonna get a guitar. I'm

22:16

a musician.

22:17

So I'm gonna find my people. There

22:20

you go.

22:20

Because musicians don't don't ever do

22:22

anything destructive. No telling people.

22:25

Not at all. Wow. When you're

22:27

fifteen, it's

22:29

You just make decision and you that is the only

22:32

decision. Yes. But

22:34

now you get a music n d and d happen a

22:36

different time by playing a bard.

22:38

There you go. Which

22:40

I do. Which you have one of my games.

22:42

Do you do you still play guitar?

22:44

Not as much. I have

22:46

I did this. I did my

22:47

finger. I'm running. Yeah. It was great.

22:49

They're doing an awesome air guitar right now.

22:51

Far up. Sadly, none of you can see.

22:55

I just like going the way. I

22:57

hear that. Yeah. Yeah.

22:59

I never really learned how play guitar, but I as

23:01

she really pointed out, I do love the air guitar. I used

23:03

to walk around with a tennis racket in

23:05

high school strumming it like I was really

23:08

playing guitar. Wow. And I made

23:10

friends that way somehow. I felt like,

23:12

what are you doing? That actually looks like the real

23:14

fingering. I'm like, oh, that was by chance

23:16

because I just was, you know, mimicking, like, Eddie

23:18

Van Halen or whatever. So what we need to do is

23:20

get you a guitar and see what happens. Like, you

23:22

can always see like, we could put a guitar

23:24

in your and you might be the next guitar

23:26

prodigy. Let's

23:27

do it. All this time. Well, you like,

23:29

if you learned by watching, do you

23:32

always use that analogy when you talk about people

23:34

playing d and

23:34

d. Like -- Mhmm. -- you don't learn how to play basketball

23:36

because you read the manual. Do

23:38

I sound like you?

23:39

Totally. That's what I sound like. You watch.

23:41

You learn by watching. And then and

23:44

then jumping in and playing. So that maybe

23:46

the same is true for

23:46

guitar. We

23:48

all know we have even hailing.

23:50

I don't know.

23:51

Doing the fingerings.

23:52

think it's it's not too late, Greg.

23:54

It's not.

23:56

Alright. We're gonna do it. My daughter just got

23:58

a guitar for for Christmas, so maybe I

24:00

will just There's

24:01

like a guitar in your hip right now. No.

24:03

It's already there. That's

24:05

it. Go go get us talking about big of our

24:07

go play the guitar right now.

24:12

And then the I come on to the first song you hear

24:15

is, like, gold. It's gonna be a hit immediately.

24:17

Like, what are you doing for the first forty

24:19

four years

24:20

here? Dude,

24:20

and you're gonna go on tour. We're not

24:23

gonna record anymore.

24:25

I'll I'll back up John Darnell. We'll

24:27

play DND on tour. I'm like you guys are

24:29

open for embarrass. Hey. Tomarella

24:32

plays DND. You can There's a lot of business.

24:34

There you go. Go online in, like, six

24:36

months, man, I can't believe Greg's charging this much

24:38

for tickets. I

24:40

remember before he was

24:41

famous. It's not me. Ticketmaster, man.

24:47

Fight the

24:47

power. You

24:50

could join forces with Pearl Jam. Yeah.

24:52

Fight Ticketmaster again.

24:54

Me and Taylor Swift, and that Beyonce

24:56

are gonna take down Taylor.

24:58

I would not question that

25:00

groupie. Not at all. I was like,

25:02

what do you want? You would

25:04

We're also gonna play D and D on tour together.

25:06

M and B update. So It's happening. And Diane,

25:08

I I would for sure pay to watch that game.

25:11

Like, There's gotta be Patreon

25:13

to get that to

25:14

happen. Right?

25:15

Now can we get Jake Julien Hall to come? Or

25:17

is that, you know, no, man. Really? No.

25:19

Too soon. He unless he brings back the red

25:21

scarf or whatever he allegedly took

25:23

from

25:23

her. Was

25:24

it a with a cardigan? Was it a cardigan?

25:26

I don't remember. Maybe better than the starigan.

25:29

I don't know. I actually don't know her songs.

25:33

I just know that one about shake it off or something

25:35

because Quinn used to really like it. It

25:37

is

25:38

a good one.

25:38

I bet I would like Taylor Swift. I think

25:40

I'll I'll listen after this

25:42

podcast. It's

25:43

also a good deal. Good at D and D. Yeah. Yeah.

25:45

Right? Like, you do Yeah. -- shake things off every

25:47

once in a while. You get like a stunned or

25:50

restrained? Shake it off.

25:52

Shake it off. Good advice. I think

25:54

there actually was a fourth edition power called

25:56

Shake it off. Now that I'm thinking of

25:57

it. Really?

25:58

Yeah. I think it was like a human Yeah.

26:00

She does play D and D, but only four or two,

26:04

which is a weirded. I shouldn't be the only one

26:06

you

26:06

play. Yeah. Four power.

26:08

That's When she came of age, she's witnesses.

26:11

Right? Yeah.

26:12

She does like to write about her life experiences,

26:14

so makes sense.

26:17

Well Yay. Well, after you've been talking about,

26:19

we're all we're we're turning failure into fun

26:21

here. I think that is a

26:23

huge part of this this

26:26

game, I think, in storytelling is is realizing

26:28

that it could sometimes feel bad to

26:30

roll a one. But I I mean,

26:32

Shelley and I have said many many times, like, that's

26:34

where the the the funniestmost traumatic

26:37

moments can come.

26:39

So recent last year, after a couple

26:41

games, I started noticing that people would get really,

26:43

really upset. And really

26:45

mad or, in some cases,

26:49

not ever failing. And I

26:52

saw this in a couple of stream games or, like, just

26:55

Oh, that's your one. And how negative are and I I've

26:57

literally had some of best moments in games

26:59

because I feel the role. Because I I

27:02

in Redwall, Evelia, My character

27:04

die died. And the

27:07

only and in in that, I got to see the other

27:09

side. I got my character got to talk to her mother.

27:11

And, like, it was this really big emotional

27:14

thing that if I had survived that, if

27:16

I had made those saves, we would have

27:18

never gotten that really good emotional moment. My character

27:20

would have never had huge growth. And

27:22

we would have never, like, learned a lot of things about

27:24

the world. And I

27:26

think lot of people are just so

27:28

hung up on that Net twenty that

27:31

they don't -- Right. -- take the moment

27:33

or time to understand what failure can

27:35

do. In real life, if you fail, you

27:37

learn from

27:38

it, you grow, you get new knowledge. And I

27:40

think that's this should be the same thing in game.

27:42

So -- Yeah. -- when that when that happened and

27:44

just in Red Wall, did you Was that

27:47

is that part of the game, or did your master

27:49

come up with this idea? In

27:51

the book, in the world, there is, like, the

27:53

afterlife. And he wanted to incorporate

27:55

it and my character just happened to die and

27:57

it worked out really well that he got to incorporate

27:59

that into the world in the game. And I

28:02

I think it was one of the best moments my character

28:04

got to have. I think it sounds

28:06

amazing. I believe so.

28:09

Turning player death into storytelling

28:11

moment too. Right? Where it's like, okay.

28:13

Yeah. You're you're making death saves and

28:15

we hope you get you back in fight or whatever. But

28:17

if you show some type

28:20

of after life moment or a dream

28:22

or some vision that they're having from

28:24

a plot point, you know, that you might wanna

28:26

introduce later on. Like, that's just you know,

28:28

you can't really get that unless there's that moment

28:30

of danger.

28:31

Right. And that's good. The same thing

28:34

with, like, failing saves. You

28:36

don't get through this obstacle, but

28:38

a new thing happens or you get

28:41

that's why, like, certain games. What's a

28:43

good example. I can't think of anywhere, but when you get experience

28:46

when you fail. Yeah. And I think

28:48

that's kind of how life is, and I think that's how a lot

28:50

of games should be, like, your Nat

28:52

one, an investigation, should

28:55

necessarily get you nothing, maybe it gets you

28:57

bad information, the wrong information, and

28:59

now you don't

28:59

know. And that's what your character's

29:02

gonna go off of now. And

29:04

that's something. It adds more It leads

29:06

to more story. And

29:08

it gives more flavor.

29:09

To each thing. Like, if your character is always

29:12

winning, always succeeding, where

29:14

where

29:15

the fun goes away? Do you always know you're gonna

29:17

succeed? Where's the fun in that?

29:19

For sure. I I'm playing with

29:21

kids now. And the

29:24

failure part is -- Mhmm. -- I'm noticing, like,

29:26

some of them do get kinda bummed if, like, they

29:28

didn't make their saving throw

29:30

or they didn't roll high enough to

29:32

get --

29:33

Mhmm. -- like you're saying, like, the the right information or

29:35

they just they didn't hit their target.

29:37

And I can see, like, a little bit of, like so

29:39

I I am trying to make

29:42

it still feel fun and not,

29:44

like, well, that was your turn moving on, like, I still

29:46

want them to either taking

29:48

a a page out of Greg's book.

29:50

I mean, like, what does it look like when you,

29:52

you know, use this weapon or

29:54

cast the spell, and then make it kind

29:56

of even funnier. Like, well, now what does

29:58

it look like when you Wow. Did you

30:01

trip over a rock? can't wait. Like, you know,

30:03

or Whatever. But I

30:05

it is something I'm trying to be conscious of

30:07

because I also think it's a good lesson

30:10

for a nine year old to learn that you're not

30:12

always successful and that's okay.

30:15

You're still contributing to

30:17

the party and other ways. So I also don't

30:19

want it to turn into like everybody

30:21

gets a trophy participation moment.

30:23

Like, I I do still want them to feel

30:25

a little bit of the, like, better

30:28

like next time

30:29

feeling, but not be discouraged. So

30:31

I don't know if there's advice there. I'm like --

30:33

Well, I like what you said. Even

30:36

if you fail giving the player a little bit of

30:38

control the narrative, like, oh, so

30:40

your fireball always looks or your your

30:42

Yeah. Your fireball usually looks like this. It hit nobody.

30:45

What does it look like when it goes off the rails?

30:47

Or what does it look like when you when you

30:49

you didn't find the information you're looking for? What were

30:51

you doing instead? Like, were you, like,

30:53

did you go make a sandwich in the corner for some

30:55

reason? Just -- Yeah. -- it it gives

30:57

a little bit more flavor and then turns a little

31:00

bit less of the failure. Like, oh, least I get a

31:02

I get a narrative

31:02

moment. I get to death. My character is

31:04

doing something. They're not just sitting there unhelpful.

31:07

Yeah. Like, maybe, like, always

31:10

assuming, like, a failure might

31:12

isn't a failure. It's a

31:14

it's a backstory moment. It's a

31:17

Well, you know, okay. Cool. Let's use this opportunity

31:19

to tell me a little bit more about your character.

31:22

Like, they if, like, a couple

31:24

of them were trying to do animal handling checks

31:27

last week, and they some of them

31:29

just weren't even trained in it, and they

31:31

didn't roll high enough, and then they felt bad.

31:33

Like, they didn't get to, like, help

31:35

this moment -- Mhmm. when when all the other

31:37

kids got

31:38

to, like, tame these guinea pigs.

31:39

But I'll

31:42

get you to that.

31:43

Questions about that now? Who

31:46

are these guinea pigs?

31:48

And were there a fairies writing them? Because that

31:50

sounds fine. Well,

31:52

Like, how what do they become when you tame them? Are they,

31:54

like, a mount? Or are they a beet like, do They do. They

31:56

have a mountain. So okay. This

31:59

sounds fun. I

32:02

April, it's important for you to know that

32:04

I am a very inexperienced dungeon

32:06

master and very scared

32:08

of dungeon mastering. But,

32:11

like, pushed myself out of my comfort zone

32:14

possibly for

32:14

only, like, the second time in my life

32:17

because

32:17

I'm just, like, Now, if you're not comfortable,

32:19

Shelley, don't do it. Don't worry about it.

32:21

But I pushed myself and I said,

32:23

I ought to be for that. I started a

32:25

D and D club at my son's elementary school

32:28

we are going into our fourth week. And

32:30

so and and actually, Greg, one of the

32:32

girls asked me last week, how

32:34

long have you been at them and master. And

32:36

I was like, how long have we been doing this club? It's

32:39

a little weeks. And she

32:41

was

32:41

like, wow. It seems like you've

32:43

been doing it longer. How sweet

32:45

are there?

32:46

Yeah. It's working. It's

32:48

working. I'm tricking them. I'm tricking them all.

32:50

You're doing it every day the investor does.

32:52

That's it. So

32:55

I do feel like there was a moment when

32:57

all of the advice I've ever been given

33:00

by other dungeon masters. Came

33:02

too light. And they that

33:05

we had just Raygun, and I

33:07

was expecting them were playing the new starter set.

33:09

So I was expecting them, like, to, like, head

33:11

up to Raygun rest to get their next

33:13

quest because I literally said

33:15

at the end of the week before, you

33:18

will go to Dragon's rest next week.

33:20

Congratulations. But

33:22

no. So one of the girls had in real

33:24

life, she made these little felted guinea pigs.

33:27

They were really cute, but they're probably, like, the size

33:29

of, like, a fist. Like and

33:31

I was, like, oh, shoot. They all seemed kinda

33:33

interested in checking out these guinea

33:35

pigs that she made. little bit distracted, you

33:37

know, because it's a Friday afternoon. So

33:40

the instead of going to Dragon's rest, they decide

33:43

No. We wanna sleep on the beach. Like,

33:45

where they just had fought zombies. I'm like,

33:47

does that seem like a good idea? You guys, like, you

33:49

already know, like, their zombies here and they were like,

33:51

no. We wanna sleep on the beach. We're gonna make

33:53

a hut. So they went and they looked

33:55

for materials. One of

33:57

them had a magic item that was just like this

33:59

never ending vat of honey. And

34:01

so they were like, well, use the honey to, like,

34:03

adhere all of, you know, to build our brand.

34:06

Like It's a construction of Yeah.

34:08

So they're like, oh, that's kind of smart. And then

34:10

they were like, Let's put honey

34:12

around the hut like a moat in case any

34:14

of the zombies come back. They'll get stuck in

34:16

the honey. Like, Yeah.

34:19

Alright. Let's do it. This

34:21

is so genius. Yeah. Even

34:23

though I was like, well, I was kind of ready

34:26

for you guys to go to Dragonfries. But whatever, like,

34:28

now they just wanted to build and play. So

34:30

and then the two elves in the party

34:32

were, like, Well, we don't need to

34:35

sleep. Like, or we only have to sleep for

34:37

couple hours and we'll be fine. So we'll keep watch.

34:39

Like, oh my god. They're they're, like, getting

34:41

they're starting to understand who their characters

34:43

are. This is great. None of them except for

34:45

one has played DND before. And

34:48

then during the

34:49

watch, they heard like a little scratching noise

34:51

Raygun

34:53

went one of them went to investigate and

34:55

discovered two guinea pigs stuck

34:57

in the honey. Because I was like, I have to bring these

34:59

guinea pigs back because they all seem really interested

35:02

in them. And we got to use them along

35:04

with our minis. But of course, the guinea pigs are

35:06

like, the size of a fist, and the minis are,

35:08

like, an inch and a half tall. So, like, the scale

35:10

was, like, whoa, out of whack. But, we're

35:12

playing D and D. Like, suspension of disbelief,

35:15

we can can handle. But no.

35:17

They were like, oh,

35:19

we really want can they just be

35:21

big? Can we just make them be like,

35:24

like, enormous guinea I'm like, look at

35:26

the scale of, like, this guinea pig to

35:28

your mini. You want it to be that it's like the

35:30

size of an Amazon delivery truck.

35:32

Is that cool with you? They were like, yes.

35:35

Yes. We want so they had to

35:37

work together to, like, make the guinea

35:39

pigs not be afraid because they were freaking

35:41

out. They were stuck in honey and they were scared.

35:43

So they had to do, like, some animal handling

35:45

and all this rolls and some of the kit that's

35:47

why some of the kids were, like, I wanted it to help.

35:49

Like, but you are helping. You're all

35:52

helping. Like, it's okay. But one

35:54

of them, the wizard was, like, I

35:57

wanna use my Meijan to, like,

35:59

push its butt out of the honey.

36:01

Look, I don't think, like, Meijan

36:03

couldn't possibly lift. This guinea pig,

36:05

but we're gonna hand waving that because she was so

36:07

excited about the idea. So they

36:09

all, like, had to, like, they'd use their rope

36:11

and, like, tied it around the guinea pigs

36:13

and, like, pull them Raygun then

36:16

we're eventually able to tame them and ride

36:18

them. So that they are now part

36:20

of our our party is that they're

36:22

writing the guinea pigs. So the whole point

36:24

of that story was there were kids that were disappointed

36:26

because they didn't feel like they had were

36:29

able to interact with the animals. And they were,

36:31

like, desperate. They were, like, I

36:33

want Buttercotch to be my best

36:35

friend. Butterscotch

36:38

is my friend. Like, okay.

36:40

Buttercotch is your

36:41

friend. You don't have to roll. Just

36:44

your friend. If you just have it. Yes.

36:47

Just they were like, I rolled

36:49

a seven. Does that mean a biscuit

36:51

doesn't like me? They

36:54

love you. It's your your

36:56

friends. You're all just

36:57

friends. Your pets hate you.

37:00

These skinny pigs ask actually charge

37:02

you and

37:03

run you over there.

37:04

Crashing computer. Did

37:06

I do good

37:07

though? I did good. Right? That's amazing. like that

37:09

a lot.

37:09

Totally. Like, I'm learning. Just Beep,

37:12

let them do what they wanna do. And we spent

37:14

forty five minutes. Forty five

37:16

minutes. Building a hut and

37:18

pulling guinea pigs out of honey, and they

37:20

were I had not I have not seen them that

37:22

engaged.

37:24

No problem. Do any favors. Yep.

37:27

So players wanna build a hut and tame some

37:29

guinea pigs. That's what you gotta do.

37:32

Go for it. Go for it. But it's

37:34

like They're gonna be riding those guinea pigs

37:36

into battle. And swinging

37:38

their mighty swords and They but

37:40

I don't want them to be afraid of failure. So

37:42

I guess that's the point. It's like -- Yeah. -- I feel like

37:45

there is like this lesson there that I

37:47

I feel like I need to teach

37:49

them, but not to the point where it's like, well,

37:51

the the new socks because I I

37:53

failed. They just get a different outcome.

37:56

Yeah. They don't have a fairly animal handling check. They

37:58

just brought the wrong the wrong snack for

38:00

for

38:01

Hibiscus, and I gotta find the right snack for Hibiscus.

38:03

There you go. That's it. Maybe you can

38:05

spend some time looking around to to

38:07

get something that you think Hibiscus might enjoy.

38:10

And that's what I think is a valid lesson too that I

38:12

think even adult players forget

38:14

sometimes where you'll

38:16

try a strategy or a tactic and it

38:19

depends on whether not you roll high or not,

38:21

and then you don't. And then you just try it

38:23

again and keep trying again and keep trying

38:25

again and like, there might like you said, like, maybe

38:27

you just need to try different tactic, like,

38:29

different food, defeat, Hibiscus, or

38:32

maybe you're not just shooting arrows,

38:34

you know, at a thing that's four hundred feet

38:36

away. Like, you you know, you have to

38:39

see that there is more optimal choices

38:42

that you should be making. Riley, it's a fantasy

38:44

world. Like, I can't get that door. Well,

38:46

I have a shovel. Is the what is the wall made

38:48

out of? Yeah. It's I just find

38:50

other ways, depending what your character's good at.

38:53

Yeah.

38:54

It's a dirt

38:54

wall. Well,

38:56

excellent. Dig through it then.

38:59

It could work. That's a different check. Yeah.

39:02

Is true? Yeah. I

39:05

think that a lot of that as, you know, goes into

39:08

the idea that games can be a

39:10

a learning thing.

39:13

Right? It can be used to actually change ideas

39:15

and biases that we have

39:18

as

39:18

well. Very much. And

39:20

I a lot of d d is that d and d has been doing that

39:22

too. Like, d and d has changed how it's it's viewed the world

39:24

and spices. And I think because of

39:26

that, a lot of the players are getting to get it to change

39:28

their own ways. Yeah. And that's a conversation.

39:30

Right? That's the -- Mhmm. -- the back and forth between

39:34

fans and and us to publish share.

39:37

Yeah. Yeah. So as part of that,

39:39

your organizer for something called games for

39:41

change. Mhmm. Why

39:44

don't you talk a little bit about that? Games

39:46

for change is a three and a half

39:48

day event. It usually happens about two

39:50

to three times a year. We've been doing it on DND

39:52

jointly's channel. We spot like creators

39:55

and community and a lot of the organization

39:57

causes and make it impact around the world that

39:59

we are

39:59

in. Over the last two years, we've raised

40:01

over twenty two point five thousand. Whoa.

40:04

Whoa. Yeah. That's what she

40:06

wrote down. Twenty two to twenty five thousand. For various

40:08

charities, we got color change, stop AA,

40:10

PIA, and take this from our big ones. Oh

40:13

my gosh, that's amazing. That's

40:15

that's what I started playing DND four

40:18

was the do charity

40:18

events, and that's my favorite thing

40:20

to do. So that's what I keep doing.

40:24

That's awesome. That's a great awareness

40:26

builder. Yeah. And

40:27

there's one coming up?

40:28

Yes. The next one is in March, third, and I have one

40:30

in July, and then another one in November, run

40:32

through three this year.

40:34

Wow. Right. Is that the most you've done in year?

40:36

Before?

40:37

I think for games or change, we usually try to

40:39

do about three.

40:40

That's great. And then And then we're

40:42

gonna sprinkle on a couple others. I

40:44

really wanna do a stop a API hate one

40:47

in a couple week in a couple

40:48

months. And then we have a few others that we're planning

40:50

for other events. Awesome.

40:53

I just saw a scene of Leo

40:56

on celebrity jeopardy, and he was

40:58

raising money for that cause as well.

41:00

Was very I I watched that one for him. I was like,

41:02

yay. So I'm

41:03

gonna be a he and you're so good.

41:06

And I I don't know if anybody people

41:08

who loved the music album

41:10

that we made around spell jams, spell jams.

41:14

One of the artists on there was

41:17

also on celebrity jeopardy. Who?

41:19

Reg you what? Whoa. Whoa.

41:22

If you had you you must watch this episode.

41:24

It's got well, it's got you know, mine biologic is doing

41:26

the hosting for celebrity jeopardy.

41:28

And, of course, with her ties

41:31

to Big Bang. I mean, there's already a DND

41:33

connection there. Mhmm. But the one with Reggie,

41:36

is basically, like, celebrity

41:38

jeopardy on SNL. It

41:40

is so

41:41

fun.

41:42

I must find that. Yeah. Because

41:44

it's, I think, three Canadians who

41:48

go off the rails quite a

41:49

bit. Oh,

41:49

my god. None of them take it seriously at all. No.

41:52

Not at all. He's like he wants. That's right. Three different

41:54

accents. Yeah. think he does French,

41:56

German, and maybe just upper

41:57

class, British at one point. It's One

41:59

of them, I couldn't tell. One of them, which is an accent.

42:03

Just didn't be a little

42:04

generic accent. Yeah.

42:06

Did they turn failure into

42:08

fun? If they've missed it. Many times.

42:11

Yeah. They turned all the times they got it wrong

42:13

into being funny as well. Eliza

42:16

Slesinger is on there

42:17

too, and she cracks

42:18

me. Oh, she's funny. Yeah.

42:21

Yeah. I like her a lot. Okay.

42:24

That's that's so comedians together

42:27

also speaks about chemistry. Mhmm.

42:30

Right? Yeah. And I know in April, we kinda

42:32

on this a little with, like, the applications and

42:34

all that. But it is important to

42:37

find like, have the

42:39

right mix of people with you at

42:42

your table. If you find

42:45

yourself either now that

42:47

conventions are become

42:49

coming back and in store play is coming back

42:51

and those are all great ways for people to

42:53

jump in and learn either learn how to play DND or

42:55

just get your DND game fix or any game.

42:57

What is the what are some good ways

43:00

when you can't really change who's

43:02

sitting at the table with

43:03

you, but like to kinda like build

43:06

up the chemistry, like, especially because

43:08

you don't have time to really get to know these people. Like,

43:10

how do we speed up that bonding process?

43:12

I always suggest always do a session zero if

43:14

you can, especially if there are people who haven't played with

43:17

each other before because that's a good way to kind of, one,

43:19

get to know each other. And

43:21

if you can do a zero point five,

43:23

which is a thing that we've just started doing that

43:25

a friend of mine got me onto. Where

43:28

you play a mini session of the game that

43:30

you're going to play in your characters. So you kinda,

43:32

one, get to know your characters and two, get to know the people

43:34

at your table. Because a lot of the times,

43:37

especially stream games the first time you play those

43:39

characters and with those people are

43:41

live. And I don't

43:44

know about anyone else for any D and

43:46

D thing, but there has Not

43:48

a single character iplay live has had

43:50

the accent that I practice. Free

43:53

that game. Or

43:55

played the way I thought they were gonna play. So that's

43:58

why really liked the zero point five because it gives you

44:00

a chance to be like, oh, that's That's

44:02

not what I was gonna do, but that's what I'm doing now.

44:05

Okay.

44:06

And so it's it kinda gets you

44:08

more that mindset with your character and everyone

44:10

else in the party. Like a dress rehearsal

44:13

kind of like, alright, we're

44:15

gonna do it mostly, but there's a little

44:17

bit of safety net still.

44:20

Also, I like having

44:22

an open communication, have the Discords, have

44:24

the Slack, the Twitter messages

44:26

so everyone can chat. Trying

44:29

to get your table built up as early

44:31

as possible before air

44:33

dates, game date, is

44:35

I think always really important because

44:37

that's that's when you get the chances to meet everyone.

44:41

I can't tell you how many people I've been in games

44:43

with it. I can't tell you single thing about them,

44:45

or if I like them as a human, not

44:47

for any Raygun, because our whole interaction

44:49

was just in character.

44:54

That's why we have after

44:56

show things now that we do. We do

44:58

stars, which is a feelings. We talk about,

45:00

like, our favorite things everyone else did. What we did

45:02

and it gives the group a chance to kind of bond

45:04

as well as kind of talking about what

45:07

you liked about the game, what you liked about your character,

45:09

what you liked about somebody else. Oh, wait,

45:11

that's really interesting.

45:14

I I like it a little bit more than

45:16

stars, which is the velions, which I love. I still

45:18

do those.

45:19

Can you explain that a little bit for folks who may not

45:22

know what you're saying? Yes. Starz pushes of feelings

45:24

is what you do after a game. We do this actually

45:26

after our home games as well now. Where

45:29

you talk about stars, the

45:31

cool things that everyone else did. A moment in

45:33

the game that someone else did that stood out to that

45:35

you're like, I wanna give you praise for that. Like,

45:37

you were so cool that was such a good idea

45:39

or you just did a thing or

45:42

someone just

45:45

wasn't character really. What? Like, you portrayed your character

45:47

in a great way. Wishes things

45:49

that you wish to see. Like, I wish that we could

45:51

fight a big dragon I wish that we can,

45:53

like, move on to the next adventure part of this

45:55

game. Helens is how you feel. Are

45:57

you tired? Are you happy? Are you

46:00

are you not really feeling how

46:02

you should feel like your character feels and that kinda

46:05

gives the DM also a chance to

46:07

hear what the players will say and kind of rebuild the

46:09

game. There have been a few times in wishes. I

46:11

was like, oh, you all wanna do that? I didn't

46:13

put that. That's the game now. Same

46:16

feelings. Like, people are,

46:18

like, not feeling a certain type of puzzle.

46:21

And I'm, like, okay. Cool. We're gonna

46:23

kill all those puzzles and put us something else in.

46:25

Yeah. And that's when we started adding

46:28

I forgot the word for it, but it's you

46:30

gave yourself a star pretty much. Like,

46:33

this is something that I was proud of in this

46:35

game. And

46:38

it gives the player who's just spent this whole

46:40

time talking about how they feel to other people a moment to

46:42

be like, this is the coolest thing and

46:44

feel good about what they did in the game or

46:46

their audition because there have been there been games

46:49

that it's another

46:51

character is kind of like the lead in that episode

46:53

or that that session, and they do most

46:55

of the stuff that your character kind of feels left out.

46:57

And that helps the game go, oh, So you

46:59

don't feel like it was there. Okay. Cool. Let's talk about

47:01

why you don't feel that you were part of the game.

47:04

And let's kinda, like, work on a way to bring

47:06

you into the game. And

47:09

doing that talk with the DM really helps them

47:11

also help build better relationships

47:13

in character. Howard Bauchner: Yeah,

47:15

I did a longest

47:18

running campaign I'd had in in New York. We

47:21

had like a three and a half year campaign, and

47:23

it was like a prototype of that where we every

47:25

each session, it was just favorite moments. And you

47:28

couldn't choose a favorite moment from you that

47:30

you did. It was a favorite moment from from someone

47:32

else at the table. And it

47:34

was sometimes you just feel like, alright. Well, the

47:36

sessions are where we gotta go. And it was a bit

47:38

of a burden, but I'd still love that we did it each

47:40

time because it built up that that

47:42

open lines of communication. Mhmm. And

47:44

did a lot of the things that the formalized, you know,

47:46

you're talking about there, the star's wishes and feelings, and

47:50

and star moments for for yourself.

47:52

Like, it it it allowed all of those

47:54

those conversations to happen. And I think -- Yeah. --

47:56

that's one thing that is sometimes

47:58

missing is those

48:00

lines of communication that go not necessarily

48:03

on critique, but just you know,

48:05

how how we can improve the game or

48:07

or, you know, make sure that everyone is aware

48:10

that there might have been some ruffled feathers, for example.

48:13

And I think oh, and I I mean, I've

48:15

had bad games. And then you get the star. You're like,

48:17

oh, wait. You you like you think what I did was good

48:19

or, like, you realize like, oh,

48:21

I was internalizing feelings that weren't and

48:25

you kind of get to help understand how your

48:27

character is. Oh,

48:29

man. That's

48:29

what I like about it. I

48:31

feel that feel all the time we knew. I thought everyone

48:33

hated me, but you all said that was good and it's

48:35

like

48:35

He really likes that decision. Oh,

48:37

man. Okay. Cool.

48:39

It's the neuro divergent urge to

48:41

hate yourself. I don't

48:44

have that.

48:46

I feel soon. I

48:49

love this so much. I wrote all that down

48:51

because we're gonna do that now at

48:53

the D and D Club. It's also, like,

48:55

important for them to

48:58

recognize other people's accomplishments. You

49:00

know, you're not Especially, yeah,

49:02

you're not always the center of the universe,

49:04

but to be able to, like, get to give

49:06

and receive a compliment from your peers

49:09

to give one to your peers. I think that's really important.

49:12

I love it. Mhmm. Love it.

49:14

You also get to see who's not paying attention,

49:16

but they're not on. There have been a few

49:18

times of, like, like, I don't know. Someone is I'm, like,

49:21

you don't know what anyone else in this game did for the last

49:23

five hours. Probably one

49:25

thing. Someone else did. I don't care what it

49:27

was at this point. Just name one thing.

49:32

We've all been there. And in the meetings

49:34

and other things as well too. Right?

49:36

Yeah.

49:37

The wait to talk versus

49:40

I'm sorry. I think my Internet cut

49:42

out for a minute. What what did you just say?

49:49

I said you're really pretty. Thanks.

49:53

Thank you so much. Yeah. I didn't hear that.

49:56

Oh, man. Well,

49:59

I think there you know, when and

50:01

Shelley and I were putting together the

50:03

welcome to Raygun talk book. I was really

50:05

loved reading show

50:07

his essay around Jay Tal Schwal and

50:10

how we were excited to learn

50:12

about ace representation that

50:14

he was channeling. And

50:17

I know that's a really big important part of of of of,

50:19

you

50:19

know, your initiatives and your identity as well.

50:22

Yes. I've ACE. I think and

50:25

even more than that, I think it's more of a spectrum.

50:27

And today, more ACE than I was a week ago. And

50:29

next week, I think it's really

50:32

important to talk about that. It's just a

50:34

a specific thing, but AAA flowing

50:37

changing sexuality

50:39

is weird all y'all kind of

50:41

thing. But I there's a

50:43

really cool thing happening in eastern. That

50:45

is coming up in February eleventh.

50:48

I have dates written down, and I'm supposed to.

50:50

The tenth through the tenth? The

50:52

twelfth. There you go. The

50:53

eleventh is in there. So The eleventh there is

50:55

in there. Mine is on the eleventh. I

50:58

have to show up. So

51:01

a couple months ago before packs unplugged, I

51:03

got asked if anyone

51:05

wanted to talk on asexuality. For

51:08

packs. We put in the panel

51:10

thinking, why

51:13

not? There's ten people who'll show up.

51:16

At packs unplugged, they gave us one of the smaller

51:20

panel rooms. They were turning people away

51:22

from the door. We had people standing

51:24

in the crowd. We had against the walls.

51:26

Someone was, like, partially live streaming it from their

51:29

phone. Mhmm. But they were literally turning

51:31

people away for the entire duration of our

51:33

panel, which kinda was like,

51:35

oh, there's a lot of us We

51:39

didn't none of us knew this. In

51:41

fact, one of the people in the panel is a very good friend

51:43

of mine that we didn't realize each four of us were

51:45

ACE. Until that day.

51:47

Wow. Because So you were on the panel? Yeah. Yeah.

51:49

So we don't really talk about it. Right.

51:52

It's one of the sexualities has kind of been overlooked.

51:55

Because it's the lack of real sexuality.

51:58

And until quite recently in

52:00

a lot of media, it was a thing to be fixed.

52:02

Yeah. If your character was a o, you just

52:04

need to get you to be

52:05

sexual. And then everything's good. Yay.

52:07

Mhmm. But it's not. And

52:10

we're just now starting to see that.

52:12

Yeah. I think it's amazing.

52:15

No. I was like, got back to Jay.

52:17

Like, think like, you're you are

52:19

saying a lot of the same things that he said

52:21

to us that, you know, bringing awareness to the and

52:23

how, like, he said especially being

52:27

a man, like, you know, people were like, oh, like,

52:29

you know, there's like this real pressure to be

52:31

sex all, like, you just haven't met the right

52:33

person yet and all. And it's but

52:36

everything that you were saying about having a panel

52:38

at packs in which people were turned away, This

52:40

is why representation matters.

52:43

It's now people are seeing. There's

52:45

people out there talking about

52:47

it. There is a community and that Like,

52:49

I can't imagine the relief somebody

52:51

would feel in seeing that

52:53

that was the most emotional

52:56

thing I've done. I've

52:58

done panels for other games. I've done other

53:00

conventions for other stuff and, like, through work.

53:03

Having someone cry at you and tell

53:05

you that you've not had someone who's

53:07

asexual tell you you're not broken is

53:09

a big thing. And I

53:11

was crying afterwards. Funny

53:13

thing. During the the thing during our intros

53:16

about how we found out we were ace. Each one

53:18

of us said we thought we were broken. Mhmm. And

53:21

that breaks my heart that all

53:24

every single one of us got

53:26

that because we've been for trade and

53:28

media as being Raygun. But, like, If

53:30

your aches are not broken, none of us were broken.

53:34

And even if you're still figuring out your sexuality,

53:36

you're not broken. You're just figuring it out.

53:39

Right. And that's I think

53:41

one of the big things about this is to

53:43

prove to everyone out there, who's ACE, who's still

53:45

figuring out that you're not Raygun. You're one of us.

53:47

You have a community with you. There's

53:50

like twenty gamers right here

53:52

who are just like, hi, look at us. But

53:55

not sexually.

54:00

Well, I think that's a that's a really super

54:02

valid point. Right? That there is this

54:04

idea that if you

54:06

see people portrayed

54:08

a certain way in media that that's

54:10

how everyone should act

54:13

and or be and if

54:15

we have shown nothing over the last twenty

54:17

years and interacting

54:19

with children now who are starting to

54:21

happen on my daughters are nine in

54:23

eleven. So they're really at that age where -- Mhmm. --

54:25

sexuality becomes something that is talked

54:27

about with not in the home. Right? Outside the home. And

54:29

I think I've been able to figure that out. They're about to

54:31

figure it all out. And and I love

54:33

what's different about their generation versus

54:35

me growing up, is that they're having those open

54:37

conversations because of all the representation that's

54:40

seen. You know, even, you know,

54:42

talking about how it's a spectrum and how,

54:44

you know, they don't know yet. And then they maybe they

54:46

will one day, but we know I'm not rushing

54:48

to find out anything right now, but

54:50

realizing that there is there's questions and

54:52

discussions and

54:55

validity to however they are

54:57

identifying at that particular moment. And that's

54:59

something that's really changed even in the

55:01

last ten

55:01

years. In the in the last ten year, I

55:03

I'm in my thirties, and I wasn't until it wasn't

55:06

until my thirties that I realized I was a

55:08

and really fully accepted it. And I was like, yay,

55:10

I I now know what I was. Up till

55:12

ten years ago, it was a medical diagnosis.

55:15

Yeah. It was it was if

55:18

you weren't sexual, it was a mental

55:20

illness. And it's -- Right. -- not. It's just another

55:22

sexuality. And so

55:24

that's another big thing that we're fighting is like that

55:26

one just recently came off of the

55:28

the list. Yeah. Yeah.

55:31

And just to bring it back to the gaming

55:33

community, I love that these

55:37

smaller communities within gaming have

55:39

been able to see each other and and and

55:41

meet at places like packs unplugged

55:44

to be like, oh, you know, it's almost like that's

55:46

Spider Man meme of being, like, we're looking at

55:48

points. You're you're you're like

55:49

me. And not just talking about,

55:52

we also get to do cool things. Like, I

55:54

like, the gay monster hearts, if you've ever played

55:56

it, is about monsters dating. Mhmm.

55:59

The ace rules in it kinda suck. But

56:03

we found out, like, you could just play it and

56:05

emotional intimacy doesn't have to be sexual.

56:08

Yeah. Like, whatever you and your

56:10

character feels emotional intimacy what it is.

56:13

And that's that's one of the great things about,

56:15

like, finding a group of people like that is you get to,

56:17

like, kind of, learn how to play games and play styles

56:19

and figure out what you meant

56:21

to when you said, I'm playing this game, but you can't

56:24

touch me. Different

56:26

type of emotional intimacy that you have to figure

56:27

out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like

56:30

it all, and role playing in some way.

56:32

It also helps in

56:35

real relationships outside of the game.

56:37

I think

56:38

Have you experienced that? Have you experienced that, like, being,

56:40

like, oh, I've kind of, like, learned about

56:42

myself through playing certain type of characters?

56:45

Definitely realized the

56:47

acceptance. I did not really

56:49

say it was ACE, and I

56:52

started playing ACE characters and

56:54

making the point that all my characters are

56:56

ACE. And I realized was doing this because I was

56:58

trying to figure out how to tell people that I was ace.

57:00

Oh,

57:01

yeah. And so I just

57:03

made that a rule for my characters, so I wouldn't have to

57:05

explain in game, what I didn't

57:07

want my characters to date. Yeah.

57:09

And it wasn't until, like, I had a character that

57:12

there are people couple people were, like, your character

57:14

is dating wrong, or your character's relationship being wrong,

57:16

and I'm like, hold on. No.

57:19

My character's an ACE relationship and they relationship

57:22

different. Yeah. And

57:24

that's another great thing about diversity

57:25

and, like, having these tables is we get to show

57:27

those different types of relationships. Yeah.

57:30

And take down all the biases around them, like, so

57:32

that if anybody had the idea that, oh, they're wrong,

57:34

well, it's like, look, you can see. They're

57:36

still loving and happy and healthy. Yeah. It's

57:38

just different. Just different. Some people

57:40

like reality television, some people don't.

57:43

They're just different. It doesn't mean they can't have

57:46

a loving

57:46

relationship. It

57:47

certainly doesn't mean that there are bad people.

57:49

If they like reality

57:50

television. Except except off of there.

57:52

Except except no.

57:54

Just like real housewives and comets. You know what?

57:58

April. I'm so sorry.

58:00

I'm so sorry. I

58:03

don't expect it from you.

58:08

Whatever. Oh, I love it. I

58:10

love it. I'll take it. Thank

58:13

you so much, April, for coming on and talking

58:16

about your experiences as well as

58:18

all of the amazing games that you're playing

58:20

in for charity and otherwise, like, I can't

58:22

believe there are so many to list, but

58:24

if you could do you know, the bullet

58:27

points one or 234, what,

58:29

you know, what could people find

58:32

where where your role in dyes?

58:34

The big ones, we'll do Epistrata on Saturdays.

58:37

Fantastic Kings of Redfin with Hopewell

58:39

on Wednesdays. We're currently funding for

58:41

Villains, which is our VTM one. And

58:43

Ark can hold on Thursdays.

58:46

Every other Thursday.

58:47

Right? And then you got Ace Con coming on. Ace

58:49

Con. Ace Con, I am having panel on the eleventh,

58:51

but we'll be three panels at ten through the twelfth.

58:53

I learned that today.

58:56

Right here.

58:57

Right here. You saw it all happen. Breaking

59:00

news or

59:00

And he got game for change in March. And

59:02

thanks for changing marks. We'll be putting out applications for

59:05

d m's and players for that very soon, so

59:07

keep an eye out for Twitter. Amazing.

59:09

And where can people find you on Twitter? They

59:11

can find me at ifrere guide on all social medias.

59:14

I usually just check Twitter. So if you message

59:16

me on Hive, I will not answer. Oh,

59:20

yeah. I should probably check that too.

59:22

Okay. I think you can and I forgot about

59:24

the account too. I literally just

59:26

thought about it. And which arc for, like,

59:28

two weeks, and I it was -- Yeah. --

59:30

hard to get back into the thing of it. But I'm

59:32

also here too. Alright. Well, anyway, Thank

59:34

you, April. You are amazing. And Amazing.

59:37

I can't wait to see you in all these

59:39

games. Thank

59:39

you for having me. You guys are amazing. And

59:41

I'm I I need to know, Shiloh,

59:44

how the the lines bales

59:46

and stuff work for your game. I can't

59:48

wait. I can't try That's such great advice. I wanna

59:50

know how it works for children. I will let

59:52

you know.

59:52

Just the stars' wishes and

59:54

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I meant. I got

59:57

I went the wrong way.

59:58

So I knew what you meant. And the lines and bells

1:00:00

are actually not a bad idea too for the call. This is very

1:00:02

important.

1:00:04

Yeah. This is great advice. All of it.

1:00:06

Thank you so

1:00:06

much. I

1:00:09

had such a great time with that conversation. That

1:00:12

was awesome. I

1:00:15

love love talking to April.

1:00:17

They all the the amount of

1:00:19

of great, like, the

1:00:21

charity stuff and

1:00:24

all the great initiatives and the great

1:00:26

advice. I

1:00:28

love

1:00:28

it. I love it. I love it all. I know. This

1:00:31

is really nice. That was really fun. I

1:00:32

am very

1:00:33

excited to do stars, wishes. Oh,

1:00:36

shoot.

1:00:36

Where's

1:00:36

my notebook? Good

1:00:39

thing I wrote it down.

1:00:40

And feelings.

1:00:41

I think dealing with Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:00:43

What that's that's such a good idea.

1:00:46

Such a good idea. It is. Yeah. And like like

1:00:48

I said, there's versions of it that you can do and

1:00:50

build into the after talk

1:00:53

of your sessions --

1:00:55

Mhmm. -- or you can do an entire scheduled

1:00:57

session. That's just a talking session. Around

1:01:00

the

1:01:00

game. Like, I think doing that every once in a while is is

1:01:02

also really smart for I agree. Long term

1:01:04

campaign. I agree.

1:01:07

Well, we applaud everything that April is

1:01:09

doing as we do most

1:01:12

of the folks in this community and all the amazing

1:01:14

things that they are doing

1:01:15

so.

1:01:15

Flow clap for everybody. Shout out

1:01:18

to you listening to this right

1:01:20

now, being a part of

1:01:22

what is going on in dudgeon and dragons.

1:01:25

Yep.

1:01:26

So you can follow along with everything that's going

1:01:29

on. Of course, at all of

1:01:31

the DND beyond locations,

1:01:33

making your characters as well as finding out how

1:01:35

that the news of the day

1:01:38

and editorials around

1:01:40

how to make specific characters

1:01:42

and things like that. And then, of course, follow along on

1:01:44

social for any music updates along

1:01:47

those lines as well. There would be more fun

1:01:49

stuff coming around the

1:01:51

movie. Perhaps that

1:01:54

you should be paying attention to because it is very

1:01:57

exciting. Very. Yeah.

1:01:59

I mean, having a bard as

1:02:02

the head of a

1:02:04

of a heist crew, I

1:02:06

think it's pretty cool.

1:02:07

That works. It works. Definitely.

1:02:10

And we actually know it works because Saw

1:02:12

the movie. We did. It's

1:02:14

ridiculous. Don't tell anyone, but

1:02:16

it's fantastic. It's so good.

1:02:20

But I think I was whispering and that means that it's

1:02:22

okay.

1:02:23

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. We we pass all the

1:02:25

the sensors. In that regard. Yeah.

1:02:28

But who doesn't pass muster

1:02:31

is You don't

1:02:34

know that. So

1:02:38

last time we left our Tabaxi

1:02:40

friend, she was

1:02:44

meeting up with old friends and new. So

1:02:46

Susan was teleported into

1:02:49

the Radiant Citadel and was immediately accosted

1:02:53

by some of the guards who demanded

1:02:55

that he now pay his entry

1:02:57

fee. But then he was

1:03:01

helped out by Jonathan, our

1:03:03

tobacco friend who's with us, and another

1:03:05

elvish priest and healer

1:03:08

who vouched for

1:03:10

both Jonathan and Samson.

1:03:13

Right. With that guys, SAW

1:03:16

us. As as in the parlance

1:03:18

of our times, drunkie was

1:03:21

trying to figure some stuff out there about that

1:03:23

elven friend. But for now, you are back

1:03:25

in the near

1:03:27

the trade discol and as well

1:03:30

near the Court of Whispers where you know there

1:03:32

is another Tabaxi that

1:03:34

may be able to assist

1:03:35

you. Gang more about

1:03:38

your people's history. Let's

1:03:39

go. Let's go. Alright. So

1:03:41

you head to the Court of Whispers, which is a

1:03:44

domed area largest

1:03:46

building, lot of the buildings around it are are much

1:03:48

smaller and are the

1:03:51

shops and business areas as well

1:03:53

as the

1:03:55

apartments above them. But the

1:03:57

Court of Wispers is where

1:04:00

a lot of the information

1:04:02

that's going on in the civilizations

1:04:05

that are run by this. And this is Jonathan

1:04:07

is telling you this as you're heading there. And

1:04:09

he says, yeah, this is just where

1:04:12

so many of the the speakers bring in

1:04:14

people and send them in there to

1:04:16

find out what's happening and learn any rumors

1:04:18

and hopefully

1:04:20

get a pulse on what's happening within the communities

1:04:22

that are connected to this set

1:04:25

of no?

1:04:25

Oh, I'm getting a pulse on things right

1:04:27

now.

1:04:28

Yeah. I

1:04:28

say that looking at the is that match is the

1:04:30

healer still with us? No. He he

1:04:33

he's stayed where

1:04:35

the guards were. He was like a duty there

1:04:37

doing, like, healing for people who needed it coming

1:04:39

in. Oh, that's right. He did

1:04:40

say he was staying. Okay. Yeah. So

1:04:42

you enter the area, and this

1:04:44

is it's a beautiful building. It's all, like, you

1:04:46

know, open plazas with

1:04:49

alcoves and archways, in

1:04:51

a I wouldn't say art deco style, but much more

1:04:53

of, like, a mosaic patterns

1:04:56

and beautiful artworks on the wall. Lots

1:04:59

of areas to have private conversations, but

1:05:01

also be seen having private conversations.

1:05:04

And as you walk in, you see that there's lots

1:05:06

of small groups of people chatting

1:05:09

quietly with each other and, you

1:05:12

know, they they notice your small

1:05:14

group of three coming in. Clearly,

1:05:17

there's some eyes that look at you and maybe have

1:05:19

a little bit of questioning looks in your

1:05:21

direction.

1:05:22

I look at those people like what?

1:05:24

And they go, nothing.

1:05:27

And then look around, but

1:05:29

then others then turn and

1:05:32

yeah. Once you want me actually a perception

1:05:35

check, Oh god. Drunky. I

1:05:39

am quite perceptive, actually.

1:05:42

That's a twenty three. A twenty

1:05:45

three. Okay. So, yeah, while you

1:05:47

see that there are definitely overt glasses

1:05:49

in your direction, there are some that

1:05:52

are trying to be hidden looking at you

1:05:54

as well. So some of

1:05:56

them are holding up a book

1:05:59

in front of them and and and glancing through

1:06:02

there are some people who are trying to view

1:06:04

what these newcomers are all about.

1:06:06

Okay. Jonathan, what's with the

1:06:08

dudes over there? He

1:06:10

says Well, as I said,

1:06:12

this is a place where rumors and information

1:06:15

are

1:06:15

gathered. And if you come here, you

1:06:18

are notable.

1:06:19

I'm just looking for information.

1:06:21

As our I thought we were looking for to fellow

1:06:24

tobacco.

1:06:25

Yes. And Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam in the meantime is just,

1:06:27

like, just pushing around just absorbing

1:06:29

all this, not really saying much. But as Jonathan

1:06:31

says, I there might be I think I do

1:06:34

you get a catch a glimpse of some fur

1:06:36

up upstairs? I

1:06:38

I let's go. Didn't notice, but let's

1:06:40

go. Okay. And he takes you

1:06:43

up a staircase that

1:06:45

reaches up to the upper level and there's like a terrace

1:06:48

there and a railing looking down into

1:06:50

the courtyard that you were you were just Oh,

1:06:52

nice.

1:06:53

And yeah, and you see a

1:06:55

tibaxi woman speaking

1:06:58

to two humans,

1:07:00

dark skinned, and they seem

1:07:02

to be wearing green robes and our

1:07:04

Tabaxi friend is wearing

1:07:07

yellowish gold Tunich.

1:07:12

Jonathan, does the the colors

1:07:14

mean anything here? Not

1:07:16

necessarily. It can mean wanting

1:07:19

to be part of the fashion, or just because

1:07:21

they like that color.

1:07:23

Nice. That's lovely. Drumkey

1:07:25

is like, really excited

1:07:27

to see another Tabaxi.

1:07:29

Hello? The

1:07:32

Tabaxi is gets

1:07:34

your attention and kinda looks in your and then

1:07:37

you see her kind of put up one finger to

1:07:39

her companions and

1:07:42

walks towards you with questioning look on her face.

1:07:45

Hello? Hello?

1:07:47

I

1:07:47

think we might be related.

1:07:50

In what way?

1:07:50

Are you of the two shoes clan?

1:07:53

No. My clan affiliation

1:07:55

is with scarf boot.

1:07:58

Jonathan, do you know Scarf Bout?

1:08:01

Jonathan says, no, honestly. I I actually

1:08:05

did not know that we had this many tibaxi

1:08:07

here on the radio THIS IS

1:08:09

VERY EXCITING. MY NAME IS DRUNky

1:08:12

TUES AND I'VE COME SEEKING INFORMATION

1:08:14

ABOUT well, in where my

1:08:16

brother is, but in looking for

1:08:19

my brother, I've discovered that

1:08:21

I think my family has been here

1:08:23

before. There's there's Perhaps you've

1:08:25

heard of it a very popular establishment called

1:08:27

drunky twos. I have seen

1:08:30

that sign. Never been myself.

1:08:32

I'm not much drinker.

1:08:34

00000.

1:08:37

Okay. She likes

1:08:38

her paw in front of you. Weird.

1:08:43

Okay. I

1:08:45

I was hoping that because you're also a

1:08:47

tibaxi, like you could help us find

1:08:50

more tobacco, and perhaps figure out

1:08:53

who these two shoes are that have come

1:08:55

before me. Mhmm. What

1:08:57

you propose is intriguing for I've

1:09:00

never heard anyone want to find

1:09:02

out more about our people. Oh,

1:09:05

but we're so fascinating. I

1:09:08

agree. Yes. I

1:09:11

hate dogs. She's she's

1:09:13

she's a little bit appalled. She's like, oh,

1:09:16

is is this accustomed? Yes.

1:09:19

This means we agree.

1:09:21

She she tentatively raises her paw. The same

1:09:23

one she was just I was just gonna say, is it that

1:09:25

wet sticky paw? It is,

1:09:28

indeed. Drunkie tries to not

1:09:30

let her see that she just wipes her paw

1:09:33

on her furry hip.

1:09:35

Meanwhile, unkie has, like, you know, alcohol

1:09:37

on her from spilling her drink. A

1:09:40

thousand percent. Literally

1:09:42

saving it for later.

1:09:44

I'll admit that's why I am here.

1:09:47

But to find out more about our people.

1:09:50

Really?

1:09:50

I've not found anything. In fact, I've wasted

1:09:53

far too much time. I still don't

1:09:56

get these people

1:09:56

here. Well, Jonathan, his family

1:10:00

lives on some

1:10:02

other plane, Jonathan, I can't

1:10:04

remember your backstory. It's understandable.

1:10:07

Yes. No. I believe they

1:10:09

came from another civilization

1:10:11

connected to these auroral

1:10:13

diamonds, but the connection is severed.

1:10:16

We've got to find out how to open it. You should

1:10:18

help us because you would

1:10:20

absolutely find out more information about

1:10:22

our people. Do you have people

1:10:25

little kitty cat in the yellow tunic?

1:10:28

I do not. But start. It seems

1:10:30

I maybe

1:10:34

having some now? I

1:10:38

I can't help it. I I just full on

1:10:40

embrace

1:10:41

her. She

1:10:43

oddly enough accepts your embrace.

1:10:46

00I

1:10:48

lick her forehead.

1:10:49

She starts stopping and enjoy

1:10:52

This is the most touching thing ever.

1:10:54

My name is August

1:10:57

Von Skarf boot.

1:10:59

August von Skarf boot. Welcome

1:11:02

to the litter. And she just continues

1:11:05

hugging you and we'll

1:11:07

pause

1:11:08

there. Let's pause here for

1:11:12

Let's pause here for a

1:11:14

long

1:11:14

time. We're

1:11:15

just gonna put a pen in there and pause

1:11:18

right here.

1:11:18

I love the We'll take it next

1:11:20

time to see the Tibaxi

1:11:23

team force attack. Beautiful.