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Welcome to Dragon talk Yeah.

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Very excited

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for this official Dungeon and Dragon 378

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to begin. 378 Shelley Mads and Noble

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on the mic.

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Hello. How about that? And we

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are here to talk about things,

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Dungeons and Dragons. We've got a good show

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coming at you 378 the

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studio. Jazz Brown, an amazing

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-- Yeah. -- a a player 378,

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author. 378. Singer, 378,

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great stuff coming from her. Yes.

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And we 378 to let you know about a little

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book. That we are putting together here

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on the dungeons and dragons

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team. It is called I

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378 have said the code

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name. It is called keys from the Golden

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Ball Yes. A

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book of thirteen heist themed

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adventures

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You can get the

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What is that? Crew 378. Your

1:01

different roles needed for

1:03

the 378, your bag

1:05

man, your con man, your

1:07

high flyer, your

1:10

Decoy. Your driver

1:14

Your baby driver.

1:19

Your golf club driver. I

1:21

like that movie, baby driver. That does

1:23

get We have not called that movie

1:25

out as a heist

1:26

movie, but it actually is a heist movie. And

1:28

there's like three or four different heists within

1:31

it. Yeah. Yeah. Hi,

1:33

so everywhere and very, very

1:35

popular. And what a fun way to

1:37

play? D and D, a little bit different

1:39

than how you may have typically

1:42

run your games or play your games. We're

1:44

giving you a lot more 378

1:47

just some different ways

1:49

to strategize and a lot of planning

1:52

and there's if you like maps, you're gonna be

1:54

very excited about this book because there's

1:56

cool maps in here. And if you're a dungeon

1:58

master who likes to tinker and

2:00

do fun things to keep your priority on

2:02

their

2:03

toes, you're also gonna really like

2:05

this book. For sure. That's one of my

2:07

favorite aspects is the different maps. There's

2:09

a player map that has some information,

2:11

some of which may be erroneous.

2:13

Mhmm. And a dungeon master's

2:16

map that is the one that you would run it with all

2:18

the full knowledge that you have of what's going on.

2:20

So I like that idea of like being able to get an

2:22

in world map. It's something we talk about in.

2:24

Welcome to Dragon 378. How maps

2:26

are one of the few objects

2:29

that have both the players and

2:31

the characters excited to look at them

2:33

at the table just as they would. And then there's so much

2:35

great art in keys from the Golden

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Vault that has

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characters looking at maps?

2:42

Yes. Oh, 378. It's really cool. As

2:44

well as repelling. There's a lot of repelling from

2:46

from 378 in the artwork of

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Keys.

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Those are two crucial things

2:52

for 378, maps, and

2:54

repelling. And

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Keys. And keys. And gold

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involved? Yes.

3:00

Who may or may not be bankrolled by

3:02

metallic dragons from the ethereum

3:04

play?

3:05

You don't know that.

3:06

May or may not? Don't know?

3:08

Could be? We shall Serious organization

3:11

that you can use in any of your D and D campaigns.

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I should write that down. That's really

3:16

good. Let me Here's

3:18

That's 378 marketing copy. That's

3:19

good marketing copy. It

3:21

is fun. I like the idea of there being, like,

3:23

an overarching organization

3:26

that's sending you out on these house heist like

3:29

like a Charlie's angels or a missionary. Exactly.

3:31

Thing. Right? And then, you know, of course -- 378. --

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Dungeon Managers will

3:37

create their own organization that fits

3:39

their campaign.

3:40

Yep. Using these

3:41

things. Done. Cool stuff.

3:43

That book comes out when, Shelley.

3:46

February 378 first. That's

3:48

right.

3:48

So you don't even have to wait long for it.

3:50

It'll be in game stores, then

3:52

you can get the alternate copy

3:55

or

3:56

Have you seen

3:57

I mean, I know you have seen, but Dragon Talk

3:59

listeners, have you seen that alt cover

4:01

It looks cool. It's like a coffee table

4:03

book for reels, like all the

4:05

books. Core amazing. And

4:08

if you, of course, standard

4:11

copy will be available everywhere then

4:13

on the twenty first spot. If you're 378, by

4:15

the time you listen to this, you might already be able

4:17

to read all this content on d and

4:19

d beyond 378, there

4:22

is a a way that you can unlock that,

4:24

and it is we're already

4:26

seeing some 378 feedback

4:29

coming in. 378. Good stuff.

4:31

Start playing. That's going

4:33

on. And of course, we have information

4:36

from Kyle Brink, the executive producer

4:39

of the D and D team.

4:41

He has been out within the community

4:43

talking to folks on 378. Like this

4:45

one, as well as videos

4:47

and streams about our

4:50

commitment to the community going forward

4:53

and putting the entire SRD

4:55

for fifth edition within the Creative Commons

4:57

license, and we're all

5:00

about 378 about that on the DND team. And we hope

5:02

you listeners are too. There's more to unpack

5:05

about all of that and what's been happening over the

5:07

last few weeks. But I

5:09

appreciate the fact that Kyle is going out there and

5:12

answering everybody questions? 378.

5:15

Not shying away from questions,

5:17

and some of them are you know

5:19

378 so tough questions, but he's

5:21

he is he's 378. He's

5:23

out there. So 378, check

5:26

those those interviews out. These you still have

5:28

questions or just wanna see where everybody's

5:30

head is 378.

5:32

For real. And, of course, many of those 378

5:34

were with former guests on Dragon

5:36

products. So it was great to

5:38

see them get the

5:41

chance to to to ask all of

5:43

these questions out there. And

5:45

there might be a little bit of some more. You know,

5:47

talking about this, maybe on this

5:49

378. We see

5:50

you. Kyle will join us. Yes.

5:52

We actually I 378 know. I think it's

5:55

okay to say this. We talked to Kyle and

5:57

created an episode

5:58

that was very quickly out of date And

6:01

so we didn't prescribe

6:02

that. So That's how fast things were

6:04

moving. Yes. So those

6:06

of you who have been paying attention to this feed, we did

6:09

have few dark weeks there, but that was the reason

6:11

why was that we had prepared it, we had talked

6:13

about it, and we wanted to be a part of that open

6:15

conversation And then everything

6:18

changed, I think, for the 378. So in

6:20

many ways, 378 were very excited about.

6:23

The development and we didn't think putting out the episode

6:25

that we had had would make any

6:26

sense. So No. It was not a date,

6:28

but it was it was good. It

6:31

was a 378

6:31

was a very good interview. It's

6:34

one of our best. It's gonna be the 378, you

6:37

know, the the liner notes

6:39

from twenty years

6:40

Yeah. I can

6:40

talk later on, but we'll be the last

6:43

episode. We'll write a book about all the

6:45

episodes that never aired. Short

6:47

book because there's really only

6:49

one. We

6:50

gotta get some more. We

6:52

do. Yeah. Speaking of our book, welcome

6:55

to Dragon Talk. Shout out to Pega's

6:57

books in West Seattle Junction

6:59

-- Mhmm. -- because I saw it on the

7:01

shelf there in a very prominent beautifully

7:04

displayed 378.

7:07

Like, they had it propped up and everything. Right when

7:09

you walk in and 378 was Jas

7:12

they're just so nice and I couldn't help

7:14

it. I really, like, I had to say.

7:16

That's my book. Oh. And

7:18

they said, oh, wow. It's

7:20

act it's selling really well. So

7:23

probably because all of our friends live in West

7:24

Seattle.

7:25

That's right. Yeah. Well, that's great.

7:27

But I did let them know that we

7:29

are both West 378, people and

7:33

they were very excited. So 378

7:36

just it was I it was cool. don't

7:38

know that I saw it in the

7:39

wild. I think that might have been the first time. Yeah.

7:41

Yeah. My my wife and daughter saw it

7:43

there at Pegasus and

7:45

also got a little bit like, oh, that's Dan's book.

7:49

Yeah. I did a little merchandising. Maybe

7:52

it stand out more. I love it. Yeah. Very

7:54

cool. So obviously, if you can't pick it

7:56

up through your local 378, definitely

7:59

do that as much as you can. Tell them to

8:02

order it if they haven't got it

8:04

on their shelves already. 378

8:06

those of you listening to this, you may enjoy audio

8:08

books and listening to things

8:11

while you are either commuting, working out,

8:13

or doing other things, as I know. Many people do

8:15

with with 378 and audiobooks, you

8:17

can download us reading our

8:19

book on anywhere

8:22

that you get your audiobooks. Through

8:25

Audible, through anything. It's out

8:27

there in the wild now. So pick

8:29

it

8:29

up, listen to us.

8:31

Yep. Did you have you listened

8:33

to him? Actually,

8:34

I haven't listened to us. Say it

8:36

yet either.

8:37

I'm scared. Yeah. 378 I I

8:39

don't think I can handle that.

8:41

That might be a bridge too far. Also

8:43

That's too much. We've been living

8:45

with these this text and these words for so

8:48

long that I don't know if I 378

8:50

listen to it all over again? So 378 least

8:52

right now, I'll give it some space and maybe a year

8:54

from now, I'll listen to myself and be like, did I

8:56

really sound 378 Gosh.

8:58

That sounds crazy good. Why do I

9:00

sound so

9:00

bad?

9:01

Not true. Not true.

9:03

We're

9:03

not true at all.

9:04

Much more critical on ourselves. That

9:06

is true. Everybody is. Yeah.

9:09

But a critical hit was rolled

9:11

when we figured out how to get Jas

9:13

Brown on this podcast. Nice

9:17

and totally true. And totally true.

9:19

Light. Delightful. Let's

9:22

go move to that interview and you'll get to meet

9:24

and see the delight that we have

9:26

in talking to

9:27

her. Let's go. Everyone,

9:31

let's welcome Jas Brown 378 Dragon

9:33

Dawn. Welcome.

9:40

Oh, I don't know why I'm waving. They can't see.

9:43

We can see.

9:44

We can we can hear the wave

9:46

in your voice.

9:48

And you're like, it's like my

9:50

I can talk to a customer service representative.

9:53

378?

9:54

I'd like to change my reservation. You

9:57

know? I know when you say that.

9:59

I'm very good in that. I

10:02

have a very good skill.

10:03

I have a very good customer service voice.

10:06

That is the way to do it. Definitely. You

10:08

are a 378 RPG

10:11

performer. You've been on some streams. You've been playing

10:13

DND and getting into it.

10:16

So, yeah, that's always good starting point

10:18

is, like, what was your your origin

10:20

story? How did you begin playing dungeons

10:22

and dragons? My origin

10:25

story. I

10:27

was on Tumblr in twenty fifteen.

10:30

I love Tumblr. I

10:33

think I I can't remember these. Exact

10:35

378, actually. But it was it was about when

10:37

the adventure zone was really popular. So

10:41

I I remember seeing lots

10:43

of fan art and just kind of following

10:45

the podcast from a distance through,

10:47

like, mutuals and stuff like that and being like, wow,

10:50

that sounds really cool. And

10:53

I think on 378, at some

10:55

point, I was like, just randomly, oh, I wanna

10:57

play DND, and then my friend, k two,

11:00

who is my Dear Dear Dear

11:03

friend and DM. She

11:06

reached out me was like, hey, I'm sending campaign

11:09

378 start up in a couple of months. Do you wanna be part of

11:11

that? I was like, yeah. And 378, like,

11:13

four years later, and we're still going

11:15

Wow. Are 378 Yes. That same

11:17

group? Yep. That same group. We're at

11:19

level eleven, I

11:21

think. And we play

11:23

weekly. What's

11:23

the campaign like? Oh my gosh. It's bonkers.

11:26

So it's it's like a home brewed campaign

11:29

based on Eberon. And

11:31

it's like she described

11:33

it as kinda like no more esque.

11:36

It's very it's not creme dark, but it's definitely

11:39

more, like, politically driven

11:41

and stuff like that. We really kind of

11:44

look at, like, real world

11:46

problems 378 the lens of fantasy and stuff

11:48

like that. It's really fun. And

11:51

if you were terribly interested

11:53

in it, I do live

11:55

tweet our session chips under the 378,

11:57

the good fraction and d and d adventures

12:00

if you wanted to check that out. You totally

12:02

could. But, yeah, it's a lot of

12:04

fun. I Plymona. She's my half

12:10

Drow 378.

12:12

And Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of

12:14

fun. Well,

12:14

that's a lot of warring haves there. No.

12:17

It is. It's actually it's actually

12:19

called the good frac because each of each of the

12:22

player characters are, like, half something.

12:24

So we have, like, two half l's, two half l's, two half

12:26

wings in a 378. Oh,

12:29

I like that. Yeah. That's

12:31

really cool. So what was it? So

12:33

you 378 put out on Twitter, I wanna play DND,

12:35

and then your friend came to you and said,

12:37

funny. I have a campaign 378. So

12:39

what was your like, how

12:42

did you come

12:44

up with the type of character you want to

12:46

play? Or how did you even how did you even

12:48

begin, like, to prepare yourself for

12:50

d and d? 378 answer this question,

12:53

I have to first state that

12:55

I am an author and I write books and

12:57

short stories and stuff like

12:58

that. I do have a short story in pathology

13:00

coming out. It's

13:02

all 378. Being

13:04

a It's all about a a section

13:07

actual characters written by asexual authors. It's very

13:09

exciting. Oh my gosh. Cool. Log aside.

13:12

I am a very character driven type

13:14

writer, so I love all

13:16

things that have me create characters. I don't know,

13:18

like, RPG's in general. 378 RPG's

13:21

I've never gotten into until, you know, my

13:23

friend reached out to me like, hey, do you 378 join this

13:25

DND campaign? And

13:28

I the thing that I knew about DND is

13:30

that people die. And so and

13:34

378, like, the, like, biggest warning was, like, don't

13:36

get attached to your characters. And I like, bet. I'm

13:38

going to create a character 378 I

13:40

hate so

13:40

much. Yeah. I'm

13:43

like, I'm gonna walk So you don't so you don't

13:45

care. So I thought four years later

13:47

He was in his 378. Yeah.

13:50

So she was so, originally, she was lawful

13:53

evil. And she

13:55

was, like, a thief and a smuggler

13:57

And she was essentially a mercenary. She

13:59

was like a like a rogue

14:01

for hire type person, and she was

14:04

a

14:04

bitch. She was not very

14:06

nice.

14:07

I'm sensing a redemption arc here.

14:10

378.

14:11

My goodness. You

14:14

don't even know. 378

14:17

where the Paladine came in. That's where the Paladine

14:19

came in. It's really funny. So basically, she

14:23

originally, she was a mole for her

14:25

party. The bad

14:27

guy had hired her to get close

14:29

to one of our care

14:31

and basically 378, like, inform him of,

14:34

like, their actions and, like, slow

14:36

them down if they needed to what?

14:38

Wait. Wait. Was this, like, something

14:41

that was devised between you and the Dungeon and

14:43

378? Or did you come

14:44

up? Okay. Yeah. And the player didn't know

14:46

that The

14:46

player didn't know. It was me. Oh, no.

14:49

Yeah. And it was it

14:52

was it didn't happen originally. But the problem

14:54

was that I was like, Mona doesn't care about any

14:56

of these people, and I don't know how to keep her

14:58

within the party. And so me

15:00

and KT were like, well, what if what

15:02

if she had to in order to get paid?

15:05

And I was like, 378, brilliant idea. And so

15:07

we had this We had a couple of

15:09

arts dedicated

15:11

to that where she like, the whole thing

15:13

went down. The whole party

15:16

ended up being captured journey by the bad

15:18

guy. A bad guy, like,

15:20

gave a knife to Mona was like, kill him.

15:22

And she was like, no. And,

15:25

I mean, like, it was it was a few months' worth

15:27

of character development in between there where where she

15:29

realized that these people treat her really

15:31

nice Jas she kinda likes

15:32

it. And,

15:36

I

15:36

mean, I have to thank several

15:38

of my fellow players for that because

15:40

they they kind of showed her,

15:42

like, what is worth kind of

15:45

fighting for and living for. In

15:48

particular, there is our

15:50

one of our halflings, the cleric

15:53

Jordan. It's a clerical 378. Well,

15:55

dray is like a goddess of, like,

15:58

378 and, like, the hearse. Hearse.

16:01

Hearse. Hearse. Yeah.

16:03

Hearse. Got to the hearse. Yeah.

16:07

And and

16:09

so he kind of took

16:12

her under his 378. That

16:14

sounds funny because she's a half elf and he's a

16:16

halfway. But I don't know.

16:17

In a sense

16:18

of, like, children

16:19

I'm not an assholes. Yeah. Exactly.

16:22

No. But you go. And

16:25

yeah. She she started to

16:27

learn very,

16:30

very, very slowly and not in

16:32

a linear way 378 be better,

16:34

to be a better person. And

16:37

so yeah, she she's neutral

16:39

good now. Didn't know she would ever get there,

16:41

but she did. And,

16:44

yeah, it was a long time coming. That's

16:47

alright. I love this story so much

16:49

because I I mean, we

16:51

just met a few minutes ago. But for some reason,

16:53

I'm already mapping, like, I wonder

16:55

if this had to do with your

17:00

coming of age and learning about yourself

17:02

and wanting to allow

17:06

people to show you, you

17:09

know, something some truth you might have

17:11

not

17:11

known. Right? Like, it feels like it's very parallel

17:13

to myself in my 378, perhaps.

17:16

I suppose I never thought about it like that.

17:20

I definitely so I'm I'm,

17:22

like, the oldest of seven. And

17:25

so I have, like, really strong maternal

17:27

instincts and that kinda really bled

17:29

into Mona when she

17:31

realized that she really cared about these people. Her

17:34

devotion to them is really strong. And

17:36

so it kind of made sense for her to become

17:38

a paladine of bold dray because of

17:40

the whole 378 is like keeping

17:43

your community together and protecting them and

17:45

saving them and stuff like So it was

17:47

really it just it kinda

17:49

came about naturally. I

17:51

don't know if it reflects

17:54

so much my real life experiences.

17:56

I was alone for really, like,

17:58

a lot of my early 378. I

18:02

felt very alone and didn't

18:05

have a lot of support and

18:08

kinda had to forward my

18:11

way, I guess, to where I am

18:13

now. And I'm like, you know, my community is strong

18:15

now and, like, we're good

18:17

now. But definitely, at the 378, it

18:19

was like a really lonely existence.

18:22

And I think that part of Mona

18:24

was really lonely and didn't realize

18:26

it until she found people who, like,

18:30

showed her what it felt like to fill that

18:32

void in her. I

18:34

didn't know that, like, once she found it, she was

18:36

definitely like, I'm never gonna let this go.

18:39

So

18:40

Yeah. I love that. I love that you would be

18:42

an oldest of of of seven 378. You can

18:44

certainly have community

18:46

of those you're 378 care of, but you don't

18:48

always like being around them all the time.

18:50

No. The the 378? Or, you

18:52

know, you might 378 have that matronly feeling,

18:55

but there is a moment of, like, 378? Like

18:58

Yeah. That's

18:58

378 part of the 378 feeling.

19:00

I was just I was just part of it. That

19:02

yeah. You

19:03

gotta get

19:03

exposed. Yeah. It's definitely both. I love

19:06

I love my siblings very darily.

19:08

They are the most important thing in the world

19:10

to me and also I

19:12

emailed it.

19:15

Yeah. Nailed it. You

19:17

got a list of dot dot dot also.

19:22

I think it's so cool listening to you

19:24

talk about this arc of your character

19:26

because obviously you didn't go into this

19:29

planning here's how my 378

19:31

going to change, which as a writer,

19:33

you do often go into

19:36

your works as knowing, like, this

19:38

is the 378 Ark, although you

19:40

could be surprised 378, sometimes in your writing.

19:42

But, like, so was that hard for

19:45

you because you come

19:47

from this writing background to let

19:49

go of that notion of like, no, I know

19:51

where my 378 going and just let it

19:53

happen or was it sort of freeing

19:55

and cool that

19:56

way? Yes and no. I

20:00

I so I have RPG experience, not

20:03

necessarily with 378 RPKs, but I do

20:05

have RPK experiences. I was like,

20:08

you have a plan and

20:10

then your characters decide that they wanna go that

20:12

378. And add, like, ten thousand

20:15

words to, like, an already finished

20:17

manuscript. 378 you're like, alright. Okay. We're doing

20:19

this, I guess. So, like,

20:21

in terms of, like,

20:23

letting go, I I very

20:25

much I'm I have a balance of, like,

20:27

plotting and dancing where it's, like,

20:30

kind of my my my characters do

20:32

what they want. I just kinda go

20:34

with it, you know. But

20:36

knowing your characters really well.

20:39

And this is something that, like, I learned I

20:42

played more and more D and D and other RPGs,

20:45

378 RPGs. Knowing

20:47

your character really well, you

20:49

can predict where they're going to step

20:51

in, like, grand in the grand scheme

20:54

of things. How they get there is,

20:56

like, kinda up to them. But in terms of,

20:58

like, where they're going like, the

21:00

person they're going to become eventually, you

21:03

kinda have a general idea for it.

21:05

Mona surprised me a lot. I did not ever

21:07

think she was I 378 that maybe the further she

21:09

would go was, like, true neutral or like lawful

21:12

neutral maybe. She's a

21:14

she's a good I don't wanna call her kid

21:16

because she's the oldest of her party, but, like, she's a good

21:18

kid. 378 can't con compared

21:20

to, like, you

21:22

know, half elves in general. She's forty

21:24

six, forty seven. She just had a birthday. 378

21:28

yeah. Like

21:29

Take it to her.

21:30

Yeah. Happy birthday, Mona. Happy

21:32

378. Happy birthday. Happy

21:34

birthday. Happy holidays.

21:38

Those her

21:40

friends have been kidnapped and, like, their

21:42

whole family. Okay. And

21:44

she was just she was going through a lot.

21:47

Her dad her dad messaged her and was like

21:49

happy 378. That was really nice. But,

21:51

like, it was terrible. It

21:53

was terrible 378. You're

21:55

like, all you could do was a second level spell

21:58

for me. Come on.

22:00

It wasn't even his second level spell.

22:05

Can't get so many else to do it because he doesn't

22:07

have some big -- Got it. --

22:08

more a can trip for this. 378

22:11

up, streamers down, streamers through the

22:13

presses 378 digitation.

22:15

That would have been good 378. No.

22:17

That's fine. No.

22:20

was it was 378 was fun. But

22:23

yeah. I mean, to the to the original

22:26

378, yes and no, it was difficult, but

22:28

also not that difficult because I have experience letting

22:30

my characters run

22:31

378. It she just surprised me. That's all. And

22:33

that's what the fun of of of this game can

22:35

do. It's like, you don't even realize your

22:38

role playing out things that

22:40

might affect you as a person and

22:42

you almost like trick your subconscious into

22:44

coming up with these things even, you know, even me,

22:47

hearing your story. I tricked Mike's subconscious to be

22:49

like, oh, yeah. This is this is what it means. Right? Like,

22:51

looking at someone else's dream or stuff like

22:53

378. You're like, oh, I know exactly what this means. But, you

22:55

know, it doesn't. It's all the

22:57

378, but I'd love that there are threads

23:00

where you could pick 378 and be like, oh, yeah, I could

23:02

see. Maybe this is the the the dream

23:04

logic of of of why

23:06

these choices were made. And

23:08

I love that. I love that too. But I let's

23:10

talk a little bit about writing because

23:13

writing is awesome. I think me and Shelley just wrote

23:15

a book. Where

23:16

do I saw? Yeah.

23:18

So so, yeah, what type of you you mentioned

23:20

you have a short 378 coming up. Are you writing other

23:23

forms? Mhmm. I write books

23:25

primarily. I also write fan fiction

23:27

if you wanna check that out, but you don't have

23:29

to. Please don't actually. Started

23:32

searching right now. No.

23:36

I think all the books. The paper came into me

23:38

378 the same. Like It was it was like it's

23:40

like hundreds of thousands support. So, yes.

23:43

Wow. I'm a bailong

23:45

winded, baby. It's fine. Yeah.

23:47

With your with your franchise of choice to

23:49

fan fic and I can't tell you this.

23:53

I'm I'm not the Internet. I'm just good.

23:58

I so, I mean, I

24:01

am drawn to, like, things

24:03

that have, like, little romance

24:06

and like 378 of adventure and

24:09

lots of like found family

24:11

type stuff. So that's the sort thing that

24:13

I really I enjoy

24:15

writing for and writing. So

24:19

I write I write books primarily

24:23

I used to write fiction. I don't really much

24:25

anymore. Otherwise, I'm thinking about picking it up again.

24:27

And write short

24:28

stories, and write columns, and I write songs.

24:32

Have you ever written songs that you brought

24:34

to the to the DND 378? Like, as a Bard

24:36

or something like that? Mona has

24:40

see 378 written about her. Oh. 378

24:42

about her. Written about her. Her

24:45

adopted father was a

24:49

pirate, I guess, you could call him.

24:51

So yeah. He he

24:54

378 her all of her brokish

24:55

ways. And he wrote

24:57

her 378. Yes.

25:00

I love that. That you wrote?

25:02

That I wrote. Mhmm. Nice.

25:05

378

25:05

comes with

25:05

these statues. Do you wanna hear it? Obviously,

25:08

378 I was just gonna say.

25:10

The weatherman comes and the weatherman comes

25:12

and

25:14

I don't know if I remember it

25:16

very well. We we see if I

25:18

remember it.

25:19

No worries. We don't 378 don't wanna put you on

25:21

the spot. So

25:22

silly. I do. I wanna

25:24

hear

25:24

it. But you said So I

25:26

I said I don't wanna put you on this 378. So he's like,

25:28

I do. I do.

25:31

There it is. That's

25:33

I hate this already. Oh,

25:35

you don't have to you really don't have to do it. I'm gonna

25:37

do it. Okay. I'm a Leo. Why would you

25:39

do this? 378,

25:42

their once was a last monotony named

25:45

her 378 in sizia snow,

25:47

sharper the word, I sell a blades.

25:49

Drink of me 378 your hoe. The

25:52

smile less radiance and as rare

25:54

as the full moon collapses globe.

25:57

She's 378 me hard. I need 378 to

26:00

drink of me hard. Is yahoo? No.

26:03

My god. There's

26:06

like way more, but I'm not gonna say all of that.

26:08

That was amazing. That

26:10

was great. Your voice is so good.

26:12

It's so good.

26:14

Yeah. What? 378

26:17

was really beautiful. That was just

26:19

what a whole idea. Thank

26:21

you. I have to bring these

26:23

shanties into my game now

26:25

too. I also to write

26:27

one. I also wrote

26:29

a do you remember I

26:31

was gonna ask you if you guys have seen critical role.

26:33

I don't know if that's a lot.

26:37

378 in season one

26:40

of 378 role, campaign one of critical

26:42

role, I don't wanna give too

26:44

many spoilers, but a certain character

26:46

scenes, another character, a

26:48

song for a certain ritual. I

26:52

I wrote the song. I wrote it.

26:54

You wait. You you wrote that song?

26:56

No. I didn't write the song that they sent.

26:58

I just wrote a song based around it.

27:01

Oh, hi. Oh my gosh.

27:02

I know. Right? I was like Hey.

27:06

Did that time like, Michelle? No.

27:09

It was, like, six years old.

27:14

No. That would be a huge

27:16

honor, but no.

27:17

I love that 378. I love that. That's what I love about

27:20

this game is because it inspires you

27:22

to write a song and your character

27:23

-- Oh. -- something that you watch you know,

27:25

that you're like, oh, I'm inspired to to

27:27

complete this creative work that

27:29

was just alluded to in something

27:31

else. And 378 is at

27:33

the heart of what what what 378 deem

27:35

-- Yes.

27:35

-- is 378 me.

27:37

That's really cool.

27:38

I love it. Do you think that Mona

27:40

could ever appear in, like, some of

27:42

your fiction? Some short stories.

27:45

That's a good question. I would have I

27:47

feel like I would have to get

27:50

permission from my DM first. So

27:53

lot a lot of her character

27:55

is, like, very embroidered

27:57

in this campaign. Mhmm.

28:00

And I I personally think that

28:02

everybody should know the campaign and

28:04

love it as much as I do, but of course, that's

28:06

not up to me. So

28:09

I think that I mean, there are

28:11

characters that I could probably allude to.

28:13

There she she has, like, an alternate identity

28:16

kind of, and I feel like 378. Character I

28:18

could bring to other forms of media. But

28:22

in terms of, like,

28:25

Mona herself, Probably not, but

28:27

I still love

28:27

her. 378. Sounds awesome.

28:29

He's my girl. She does indeed.

28:31

So, yeah, in in some of your books you were talking about,

28:33

the idea of you know,

28:35

you mentioned a asexuality, what that means,

28:38

and and and how to bring that

28:40

forth. We actually just spoke to someone

28:42

I think last week that was also asexual

28:44

and how 378 was a a big

28:47

part of of of who they are and how they

28:49

brought to the game. So, yeah, if you I'd love

28:51

to hear your experience

28:53

with that and how it

28:56

blends in the kind of characters and stories that you 378?

29:00

My Okay. So,

29:02

like, being aerospace as I am,

29:05

it was very difficult for me growing

29:08

up to write anyone or see

29:10

anyone as anything other

29:12

than airways. So when people,

29:14

like, flirt in front of

29:16

me, I was I have, like, a question mark, question

29:19

mark, question mark, kind of reaction.

29:21

378 very much like a okay.

29:26

So it's like it's kinda like 378 like somebody

29:29

else speaking language that I don't speak. So

29:31

it's it's definitely like something that I had

29:33

to navigate and, like, learn how

29:35

to navigate And I am a lot

29:37

better about it now, 378, like, every

29:40

character think I've ever written has some have

29:42

been on the asexual spectrum in

29:44

some

29:44

way, shape, or form. I don't know if I've

29:46

ever written anyone who wasn't.

29:50

Well, how does arrow a's fit

29:52

into the into the spectrum? What's the

29:54

Yeah. Oh, so AI is is 378

29:57

is is actual and a romantic. So

30:00

in terms of the attraction model,

30:02

Yeah. In terms of the split attraction model, you

30:04

have your sexual attraction

30:07

or lack thereof, in my case. And you have

30:09

your romantic traction or lack thereof

30:11

in my case. And so some asexuals are

30:13

like heterromantic or

30:15

bromantic or panromantic or

30:18

so on and so forth. And

30:20

some 378 are like

30:23

heterosexual or homosexual or

30:25

bisexual or so on and so forth. And

30:29

just for, like, a row, acedness,

30:31

378, like, you're, like, in

30:34

terms of like a like a it's not really

30:36

a scale. It's more like a nebulous

30:39

blob. 378

30:43

if you were to think about it as, like, a linear

30:45

scale, I would be, like, on this end,

30:48

the, like, no sexual

30:51

no. Sexual 378, no romantic 378,

30:53

and

30:55

that's me. Got it. That makes sense. Yeah. When you

30:57

said it, I I have for some reason, I thought Aros

31:00

has an ER0S, the Greek

31:02

guy.

31:02

Oh, that'd be cool. I was like,

31:04

oh, wait. How does this work? No. No. No.

31:06

So cool. Find that. I

31:11

would love

31:11

the gloves. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

31:14

378 makes sense. And in some ways, you must be before

31:16

for for writing characters. Right? Because so

31:18

much, you know, unfortunately so

31:20

much plot evolves,

31:23

especially in in genre fiction

31:25

around the romantic. The

31:27

romantic 378. Yeah. Yeah.

31:28

And so how do you how do you navigate that?

31:31

I I hate it.

31:33

I I am here's the thing. A

31:35

lot of in 378, but

31:38

also in, like, the 378 space. A lot

31:40

of, like, the thought is that you want you

31:42

want a romantic relationship, you

31:44

feel fulfilled, and for

31:46

some people, that is the case. For

31:49

me and for some folks like

31:51

me who identify that way, it's

31:55

we are more content with

31:57

just like platonic relationships or, like,

31:59

familial relationships where it's very much

32:03

it's like it it's not less

32:06

or more. It's like it runs

32:08

parallel to, guess, romantic desire

32:13

And it's it's

32:15

kind of essentially the same thing if

32:17

you think about it that way. So can

32:19

have friends that I feel so

32:21

deeply attached to

32:24

378 fulfill the same role

32:26

that romantic partner would otherwise

32:28

fill, but don't need a romantic partner. don't

32:30

want romantic partner. You

32:31

know, so it's kinda like that. In

32:34

the writing world, it is

32:37

a lot of people feel unfulfilled without

32:39

a romantic relationship in

32:42

involved in the plot. And,

32:45

I mean, like, it's more common

32:47

to have romantic relationship. Even

32:50

in this short story that I wrote for being

32:52

ACE, there there is a romantic

32:54

relationship that is portrayed. So

32:56

it's kinda like a plot device. Yeah. It

32:59

doesn't necessarily you don't have to

33:02

have a romantic relationship in order

33:04

378, like,

33:06

fulfill the 378, basically, to

33:08

make it feel worthwhile. I

33:11

actually prefer when it doesn't have it.

33:13

So -- Yes. -- stable.

33:16

No. It's probably not just you. I

33:18

mean, 378 probably I just I don't

33:20

wanna speak for, like, all arrow races.

33:22

I know some folks are are really into,

33:26

like, romantic relationships, in fiction

33:28

or, like, other people's love lives

33:30

or stuff like that where you could be happy for other

33:32

people and stuff like that. But I don't I

33:35

don't wanna speak for those folks who who

33:37

do feel that way. I just I'm not

33:39

one of

33:39

them. That's all. 378 I also feel

33:42

like putting more of those

33:44

types of stories out there normalizes 378,

33:46

obviously, and that there are people who are probably

33:48

struggling. We Jas Greg mentioned,

33:50

we've talked to some people who are asexual.

33:54

One interview that comes to mind is Jas

33:56

378, who talked about

33:58

how he felt broken and,

34:00

like, 378, like, there's something wrong with me because

34:03

everywhere he 378, these

34:05

relationships were being portrayed in

34:07

that obviously if you were a a man

34:09

and you weren't interested, then there had to

34:11

be something wrong with you. Mhmm. But I could

34:14

see imagine picking up

34:16

a short story or a novel or

34:19

watching a a 378 D

34:21

and D game and seeing a

34:23

very fulfilled happy character

34:25

who's not engaging in these types of relationships

34:27

because they they don't have

34:29

to. It would be

34:31

378 kind of representation I feel like is

34:33

is 378. And -- Yes. -- there's probably

34:36

a lot of people who are gonna read your work and

34:38

feel really

34:39

seen, and that's important. I hope so.

34:41

I feel like that's that's the

34:43

not the goal necessarily, but that's like

34:46

a dream, you know. Like, I I if

34:48

anyone would read

34:50

my works and see themselves in 378. would

34:53

hope that 378 brings them some

34:55

form of peace. Because

34:57

we definitely, like, didn't

34:59

have at least in my mind,

35:01

we didn't have anything like this sort

35:03

of thing growing up. I didn't know. I was ace until

35:06

I was seventeen. And that's,

35:08

like, a long time

35:10

to go thinking that you're

35:12

broken. Right. Something wrong with you

35:14

because everybody else seems to be falling in

35:16

love and falling out of love, and you just don't

35:18

see the point of it. Like,

35:20

this is a sad thing that just like it didn't occur

35:22

378 me growing up. It was like, everybody

35:25

was, like, getting together and then

35:27

falling apart. And I was always, like, this is

35:29

so unnecessary. always

35:32

thought it was a choice. I was so I was like, why

35:34

would you why why go after that person when

35:36

you know they're just gonna break your 378. There you have choices

35:38

when you date somebody. You're thinking to marry them or you're gonna

35:40

break up. Yeah.

35:43

There's a lot pressure. Right? 378

35:45

silly to me, but I mean, I I'm

35:48

a lot a lot more open minded

35:50

these days. 378,

35:53

yeah, I would be remiss if I

35:55

did not shout out my

35:57

favorite ACE characters in the TTRPG space.

36:01

Kudosys from Cook Raul Gaffney

36:03

378. And Risks 378 GEC from

36:07

dimension 378 Fantasy High. And

36:10

I think that those were

36:12

the those two instances were the first

36:14

that I had seen in,

36:17

like, I don't wanna say mainstream media

36:19

because that's Like,

36:22

in in in 378 of, like, you know, popular

36:24

media, that was that was really

36:27

monumental for me seeing my

36:29

experiences reflected in other characters

36:34

was 378 shook something in

36:36

me. And, yeah, I

36:38

would love to be

36:40

able to explore that in games

36:42

and in my writing and and

36:45

have people see themselves in

36:47

what I've written and what I've for trade.

36:50

Right? It's reciprocal thing. Right? That's like that's

36:53

what makes a community a community in some ways

36:55

is being ill. Right? I see you. And

36:57

now want to and now

36:59

feel free to express myself fully.

37:02

Right? And and in that way, I love that. I

37:04

also Jas we're talking here too, I'm realizing

37:07

so many times I'm

37:09

asked by people who are older than I

37:11

am who are like, oh, why is DND

37:14

so popular right now? And so many times I've

37:16

been like, well, there were people who

37:18

were looking at Dimension twenty, looking

37:20

at Venture Zone, and

37:23

might have known about Dungeons and Dragons! Don't do it.

37:25

Dungeons and Dragons! 378 that was their first instinct

37:28

to want to play it themselves.

37:30

And as we're talking here, I'm realizing,

37:32

like, you are that person identified

37:37

in so many ways about what

37:39

this, you know,

37:41

growth in the community has been all about. Are

37:44

you seeing that from other folks that -- Oh, yeah.

37:47

-- you have been having hundred percent of

37:49

most most streams

37:51

that I joined. I'm the youngest

37:54

person there. And

37:56

I have, like, both in, like, age and

37:58

in, like, experience playing d and d.

38:01

So it it's definitely like

38:03

a like a novel thing

38:05

where it's like, wow, these people have been playing for

38:08

years years and years and, like, around

38:10

tables, like, literal physical

38:12

tables. So, like, for me, I

38:14

actually Wait. That's not true. I was going

38:16

to say I've never played DND at a physical table, but

38:18

that's actually not

38:19

true. I played a couple of different times. I'm

38:21

sorry.

38:22

Wow. Look, you everything you've only played

38:24

online. I've only played online. Interesting.

38:27

Okay. Yeah. Whole pandemic. 378 of my friends

38:29

are are spread across the country.

38:31

Yeah. So even before the whole pandemic thing

38:33

happened, like, I was

38:36

I was pretty much my friends were

38:38

in other places. Like I said, I grew

38:40

up I grew up really lonely. So Yeah.

38:44

The the 378 was kind of blessing for me,

38:46

both in, like, opening

38:49

my eyes to other forms of media

38:51

that I can for writing and characters

38:53

through and also just connecting to people

38:55

who

38:56

would eventually become my best friends. So

38:59

What a world? What a world that we have changed and

39:01

morphed and even in twenty

39:03

years, ten years, how communities

39:06

have become they 378 to be online around,

39:09

you know, the two thousands. And now it's like, yeah.

39:11

No. This is just where we live now. You

39:13

know, us included like, we have not included

39:16

recorded a Dragon 378

39:17

in person since since

39:20

March twenty twenty?

39:21

Yeah. March February twenty twenty.

39:23

378? And it's become so much of our our,

39:25

you know, lives are spent interfacing

39:29

this way on the spring well as, you know, as much

39:31

as we can in person now safely.

39:34

378 I wanna talk a little bit about all

39:36

of these things we've been discussing

39:39

and then how it can funnel

39:41

into your dungeon 378. You've

39:43

been a player for a long 378, but as a writer

39:45

and a creator, I'm sure

39:47

the instinct to want to run a

39:49

a game in your own image

39:52

is is

39:53

In your own

39:53

image? Yeah.

39:55

Oh my god. I am

39:57

god. Doctor

39:59

Masters are god. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. So

40:03

I I do have a little bit of experience in

40:05

Diamming. They're

40:08

way back when, like,

40:11

a year or two after I started playing

40:14

DND in the first place. I had gathered

40:17

a bunch of folks to record

40:20

an AP for DND

40:23

called the blurred crusade. 378

40:25

never got off the ground, 378, but we did play

40:27

a few sessions, and it was a lot of fun. And

40:31

I, like, once I've

40:33

got that itch and I was like, oh, man,

40:36

I really like it. So

40:38

I have demoed a couple of different

40:40

things that never really took

40:43

off. I'm more of a so, like, I'm

40:45

more of a long term campaign sort

40:47

of person. Like, I'm a very slow

40:50

burn. I like foreshadowing and,

40:52

like, motifs and you

40:54

know, like 378 building up a

40:57

world and character arcs and

41:00

stuff like that. So

41:02

I like the space to do that. And

41:05

so I have tried a different couple of different

41:07

times to get campaigns off the ground and hasn't really

41:10

happened. I did DM

41:13

one shot that turned into a two shot

41:16

for my my home group. And

41:19

that was I think that was more nerve racking

41:21

than anything I've ever done.

41:23

Oh, wow. The same group that you were playing Mona

41:25

with? Mhmm.

41:26

Yeah. They said that it was fun,

41:28

and I'd glad that they had fun. But it definitely

41:31

was, like, the most terrifying thing because these

41:33

are people that I've been playing with for years and years.

41:35

And like, I

41:37

feel like there was a certain expectation

41:40

that I had to be amazing,

41:42

and I was not sure if I achieved that. And also,

41:44

that wasn't can It wasn't the expectation that

41:46

they put on me. It was that I put on

41:48

myself, and I 378 that. They are the 378,

41:51

and I love them very much. I just

41:53

wanted to be worthy of them.

41:56

So I had

41:58

fun. It was terrifying. So

42:00

I don't know if I'll be doing it again 378

42:03

soon, but I have been thinking about

42:05

it. That said, yeah, I

42:07

love I love DM ing. It's a lot

42:09

of work though, and I'm really lazy.

42:13

Like, it's

42:14

a passion. I relate to that. Yeah.

42:16

It's a great don't know, like, 378

42:18

saying Greg's not good. Not saying you're

42:20

not a good DM, but I am often

42:23

just shocked at, like, that

42:25

you sometimes you don't prep

42:28

things. I

42:31

loved watching your face, 378 to fix the other

42:33

nice way to say. 378

42:36

it's very freeing. I love

42:38

it. I'm very very 378

42:41

it makes me it gives me hope. Yes.

42:44

Yeah. I so I'm a plotter

42:46

primarily. Mhmm. I have a few dancing

42:48

tendencies, but I am primarily a plotter So

42:51

it is really difficult for me to DM

42:53

stuff because I

42:55

want to control every aspect of

42:58

what is going to happen. And

43:01

I have to, like, have, like, several

43:03

different branches of, like, choices

43:05

that the players can make and what would

43:07

happen if they did this and this and this and 378.

43:09

And then always, always, they decided to do

43:11

something that I did not expect and I have to

43:13

completely make up something on the spot

43:17

I fear 378. That was my fear

43:19

too. Yeah. So so

43:22

in I I don't I don't

43:24

consider myself very good DM 378 be honest with

43:26

you. I'm not necessarily that. I'm just

43:28

an experienced and I don't have

43:31

the motivation to be more

43:32

things. Mhmm. Because it's fairly

43:34

scaly and could be a bit frustrating.

43:37

I see 378 so funny. It's like, I think you are

43:40

a a combination of of me and Shelly.

43:42

In in our 378 mastering, right, where it's like

43:45

the prep and things. I I similar where

43:47

I've been like, hey, here, I've created all this world. I've,

43:49

you know, done the work even though I'm also

43:51

primarily AAA lazy DM.

43:54

378 forced myself to do it. And then

43:56

the players interact with it and then a way that it's not

43:59

378, and then it 378 those

44:01

fuels don't match up. Right? Where you're like, oh, okay.

44:03

Well, I did all this work and

44:06

you're going in this direction. Okay.

44:08

And not necessarily, you know, the metaphorical direction

44:10

of, like, you know, character development. And that that

44:12

378 not always a good feeling as a DM. So

44:15

I went the other way, which Jas just like, well, I'm just gonna

44:17

make up everything. On the fly. 378

44:19

so I'm not married to do any specific

44:21

plots or any kind of ideas, and I can kinda

44:24

do it. But then that you know, at least to what

44:26

Shelly was talking about, which is like, well, that

44:28

didn't really feel

44:29

prepared. Did it.

44:30

Oh, that's not what I meant.

44:32

No. But I know. I know. I think

44:34

you're very good. Unless 378 but you, like,

44:37

you have admitted, like, I don't even I don't

44:39

even know what's gonna happen today. Like, you

44:42

Right. And but it's still really good. 378

44:44

I do think that you have to be somewhat

44:47

confident and experienced to

44:49

get to that level. 378 like

44:51

a good improv person. Right? Like, you know, if

44:53

someone who's not experienced an improv comedy

44:56

throwing them up on 378. Yeah. Maybe

44:58

probably won't be funny. They might

45:00

still be improvising, 378, like, an experienced person

45:02

can take whatever is thrown at them and find the

45:04

funny.

45:05

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I

45:07

think that, like, it would come with more experience.

45:09

It's just that, you know, like, that sort of thing I'm definitely

45:12

taking slowly. Yeah.

45:15

Yeah.

45:16

And then sometimes the creative endeavors Right.

45:18

You don't have to. I also think I mean, like,

45:20

yeah. That's what I was going to say is that I think that,

45:22

like, as a performer, I

45:25

think I'm probably better as a player than

45:27

a DM

45:30

378 because

45:31

Well, okay. A lot folks think

45:34

378, like, being a player is

45:36

easier than the ebbing. And, like, well, I

45:38

think that it kinda is I

45:40

do think that they're both, like, different

45:42

types of hard because

45:45

there's a lot more when

45:47

you're a player, there's lot more navigating

45:51

that you have to do with

45:54

everyone else. Because with,

45:56

like, with, like, the DM, they can kinda,

45:58

like, set up a scenario and let

46:01

the players run wild. But

46:03

you're as the player, you have to be doing the

46:05

running wild. And so, like, you have

46:07

to be making the choices and being considerate

46:10

of your fellow players and the characters

46:13

and keeping

46:16

in mind where you want your character

46:18

to go in terms of development and also

46:20

just like the improv on

46:23

top of all of that. 378 is very

46:25

378. And I feel like

46:28

players should be appreciated more.

46:31

I'm glad you said that because I think there is

46:34

a big distinction in,

46:37

you know, common wisdom 378, like, oh, the

46:39

DM does all the work and

46:41

and all the burden is on them to make the story

46:43

as good as it can

46:44

be. And none of that burden is on

46:46

the players, and I I think that is not true

46:48

at all. 378. Yeah. don't think that's very

46:51

accurate because first of all, if that is the case,

46:53

probably don't have a very good

46:55

group. It's

46:58

just that, like Where did the group

47:00

doesn't match your expectations? Yeah. That's

47:02

it too. Like, I I I've tried to say that a couple of times.

47:04

There are groups that just want to bash

47:06

monsters and and and, you know, get to the

47:08

next quest and blah blah blah and do those things, and that's great.

47:11

But, like, I I think what you're talking about is disconnect

47:13

where Yes. DM wants one

47:15

thing or one player wants one thing and then the other players

47:17

aren't giving them. And that and it's about as

47:19

the players finding the fun

47:21

for

47:22

everybody, should it be as much

47:24

as their responsibility as it is the DMs? Exactly.

47:26

Yes. I I do agree.

47:29

I I think that I guess

47:31

that that's another thing. Is that, like, I'm aware

47:34

there are folks 378 are just

47:36

about, like, correcting the numbers and, like,

47:38

not necessarily telling stories. In

47:42

in the way that I do, I

47:45

know those folks exist and

47:48

they are valid. And also, I cannot

47:50

fathom that lifestyle at all. I

47:53

need I love to build my babies

47:55

into something grand

47:57

and beautiful so that at the very end of it,

47:59

I can weep and be happy and all

48:02

the work that I

48:02

did, you know. Yeah. 378 you

48:05

didn't say play style, you're like, lifestyle. I

48:07

don't understand you. I don't understand you

48:09

much. Prices that made you to get to that

48:11

point of the 378. Oh,

48:14

now I feel bad.

48:16

No. It's true. I mean, people it's

48:19

I 378, part of what makes this game so cool 378

48:21

is Are it for you? Or if it's fun for

48:23

you? That's fun. You know, it's like that's the

48:25

sort of folks who played Call of Duty, I guess.

48:27

You know, it's just a sort of, you know, there's

48:30

there is 378 that. It's

48:32

just not it's not my

48:33

lane. And I acknowledge

48:36

that. I guess that's all.

48:39

Makes a little sense. And I agree with you.

48:40

I think 378 should think about

48:43

the things we're talking about here, which is

48:45

you know, 378 you have just

48:47

as much responsibility as the DM to tell

48:49

the story that you want or the the or

48:51

the story your fellow players 378. sometimes there are gonna

48:54

be times where you're not the focus or your 378

48:56

not the the focus. And that's great.

48:58

Like, but don't just disengage don't

49:00

just use that time to go look at your phone,

49:03

you know, be a supporting character

49:05

in this arc or in this session.

49:08

Mhmm. Yeah. There's a lot of

49:11

responsibility on folks who are you

49:13

have responsibility to your character. You

49:15

have a responsibility to your friends. And

49:18

you have responsibility to your DM. I think

49:20

at the end of the

49:20

it's mostly just about respect.

49:22

Yeah. 378

49:24

ECT. I don't 378 what it means me.

49:29

I wanna work Yeah.

49:30

D and D. Let's get

49:32

that clarity going. At

49:35

least don't serve. Get some of them.

49:38

Right. Get it on the TikToks? Nope.

49:43

I'm not on TikTok yet. I really should be.

49:45

You

49:45

barely should

49:46

be. really should see. Get

49:47

that shoes. See Shammie going on there.

49:49

I know. I

49:53

thought it was good.

49:54

I'm glad. I I'm I'm

49:56

very, very 378. I

49:59

love it. I love it. Well, what

50:02

are I mean, you mentioned a a couple of the

50:04

ways that people can find

50:07

your work that you want them to, and you

50:09

don't want them to. So, yeah, where where can

50:11

we point people to what you are

50:13

doing and the the the live tweeting

50:16

of sessions that you do and all

50:17

that? I'm primarily on Twitter.

50:19

You can find me in on Twitter at

50:22

cinder scoreia, CINTERSC0RIA.

50:26

It's a rock. Don't don't ask. Go ahead.

50:30

That's where I usually hang out. I

50:32

retweeted a bunch of other people in the 378 space.

50:35

I live tweet our DND games under

50:37

the 378, the Goodfraction and

50:40

DND Adventures. I also

50:42

like to tweet our Alexia Games on

50:45

378 channel under the Alexia

50:47

378 and 378 Adventures.

50:50

And that is usually

50:52

where you can hang usually where

50:55

you can find me, if you wanted to talk to me, shoot

50:57

me a DM on 378, that's usually where I find it.

51:00

I'm very friendly. You could talk to me or

51:02

don't. I guess, if I'm scary,

51:04

I didn't think about that actually. It's

51:07

up to you. It's up to you 378 you

51:09

wanna do. But please hit

51:11

me up for twenty twenty three because I have, like,

51:13

practically no games I'm doing. So or

51:15

I'm having something with Queen's 378 games

51:18

soon. And also, I've

51:20

on other set of studios doing

51:23

the arcane core, which

51:26

if you followed girls on these worlds, that was

51:28

our monster a weekend. Nice. It

51:30

was a lot of fun. Yeah. So that should be

51:32

I don't know when it's coming up, but it will be coming

51:34

up. Awesome.

51:35

Yeah. Excellent. Yeah.

51:37

I have a feeling you'll be plenty busy.

51:40

III 378 this year, so I

51:42

go a little stir crazy. I I

51:45

Gotta keep the creative I need to be busy. I'm a work

51:47

colleague. Yeah. Please. 378,

51:50

man. For having me Yeah.

51:52

That's fantastic. And I'm like, hey,

51:54

I'm not doing anything. By the way, I'll be on this thing and

51:56

this thing, I'm listening. I'm listening. And you're

51:58

like, oh my god. I'm

51:59

just blown up 378 might start this. There

52:01

was a time where I was doing something every day.

52:03

Everyday except for 378, maybe.

52:06

Yeah. So I

52:08

when I say that I'm a workaholic, I mean, like, I

52:10

need to be. Please

52:11

Always running.

52:12

If you want me in your games, please hit me

52:14

up.

52:15

Running up that hill. I love it. Oh, and then yeah.

52:17

The what's the name of the anthology that your short

52:19

story? The anthology is called Bigging Ace.

52:21

It is edited by Madeleine Dyer, and it

52:23

will be out 378, I believe.

52:25

Oh. Yeah. It's on goodreads.

52:27

Now if you wanna pre pre,

52:30

what do you call

52:30

378, add it to your lists

52:33

378 it to your shelf. It has a cover

52:35

and everything. It's beautiful. Very cool.

52:37

Lots of other notoriously

52:40

asexual authors a part

52:42

of it, Lindsay Miller, and

52:45

Rosie Thor, and so on and so forth.

52:47

Very

52:48

exciting. I did. I got into

52:50

it. I'm so honored.

52:52

Yeah. Because you're awesome. Yeah.

52:55

Thanks. You gotta well, 378

52:58

again. Those are all amazing things that are

53:00

happening. And we said, the more we'll be coming.

53:02

So give a follow-up, and thanks so much

53:04

for coming on, Jeff. This

53:05

is her birthday. Thank you, Jeff. I

53:06

appreciate you guys.

53:10

378 IT DELIGHTS, AS WE SAID, WHAT

53:12

A Wonderful PERSON? SO

53:14

NICE so funny, so charming, so

53:16

articulate. And what

53:18

a voice? What a singing voice? I

53:21

would sing all the time. If III

53:23

wouldn't I would just

53:26

if I could sing, I would sing, I would

53:28

just sing all the time. Would you be like that

53:31

character in SNL? Don't make me sing

53:33

I'm 378. Yes.

53:36

Yeah.

53:37

I would probably sing, like,

53:40

I would have written and sang a

53:44

a theme song for Dragon 378. I would have

53:46

insisted upon it. Well, now you

53:48

have to drop that 378

53:50

song right now. Go for it. No.

53:52

I'm not gonna do that to the kind people

53:55

listening. Let's do it 378. Dragon

53:57

time drank it to. It is the place

53:59

where the family feuds. I don't know

54:02

what's going on with 378 dude. Family

54:05

feuds.

54:06

That's my end and and

54:08

proud theme song.

54:10

I I like 378 Dwayne Hoh. Dwayne

54:13

Hoh. Everything after that was no

54:14

joke. Valid

54:17

valid points by a

54:19

friend. Oh, very nice

54:21

very nice indeed. That was very

54:23

very fun though. That was I love hearing

54:25

about the character development 378 and

54:29

like, you know, yeah, players,

54:32

there's an obligation. As I'm speaking

54:34

now as a dungeon master. Mhmm. You players

54:37

also have an obligation to, like, make

54:39

this game fun and tell these

54:40

stories. It's not just on

54:43

the dungeon masters such as myself.

54:46

Wow. I think this might be 378

54:49

haven't had lot of milestones in

54:52

the development of Shelly

54:54

Jas Noble here as Dungeon master. But think

54:56

this might be the first time where you're like, Jas

54:58

a dungeon master, I have to say

55:00

and you're like pushing up your your eyeglasses while

55:03

doing

55:03

this? I am yes. I am now

55:05

turning into like one of

55:07

those. Know it 378. Dungeonmaster.

55:12

I am a Dungeonmaster. 378

55:15

stereotypes are true.

55:18

It's all once you feel that power of

55:20

God. You 378, like, A

55:23

real dungeon master 378

55:26

me, Dungeonmaster, it would

55:28

be like facepalms and eye rolls.

55:31

You have not like no idea how much

55:33

I make up, how many rolls I break,

55:35

how many times I'm like, oh, just

55:37

roll an 378 check

55:39

and it's not. 378 at all. I

55:41

just like, it's all made up.

55:44

I don't and I just and, like, don't panic, Shelly,

55:46

just go with just oh, they look like they

55:48

need to roll some dice. They're getting bored. So

55:52

the wizard, like, wanted to do something.

55:55

And I'm like, you don't have a spell for that. But you

55:57

know what? I'm like, you do. You totally

55:59

do. So let's just hey,

56:01

did 378? I don't care. Because she felt

56:03

powerful and cool for doing it. Yeah. And

56:05

it wasn't it was, like, not an,

56:07

like, an an in combat thing. So

56:09

Who

56:10

cares? Why don't you just let him? Right. Is that

56:12

okay? Is that okay? Oh, well, I was just gonna

56:14

say what you described is absolutely

56:16

what you need to do while 378. Especially

56:19

for kids who are new to it. Right? Like, you are you're

56:21

doing it correctly. Even though

56:24

you 378 like you're saying I'm not doing 378, you're like, that's

56:26

what you're doing. I don't give you an example because

56:28

we when I played with

56:30

some new people at Thanksgiving,

56:33

there was a person who excited.

56:36

She's a novelist and a writer and a fantasy person, and

56:38

she was excited when I was describing Fire Genesis

56:40

as being like something that she can be as a

56:42

378 She's like, oh, yeah. You're all fired person. I love 378.

56:44

I love that idea of being, you know, having

56:47

these powers of fire. Right? And then we got into combat

56:49

378 she wanted to make, like, a wall

56:51

of fire, essentially, based

56:54

on what I told her about how cool her fire

56:56

378 powers were. And the 378

56:58

wasn't trying to be restrictive

57:01

or

57:01

anything, which is like, yeah, that's a spell. Like, you

57:03

know, it's a third level spell. You can't just do a wall of

57:05

fire.

57:06

Right. And she was like, oh, well, this sucks. I

57:08

thought I was the fire person. Like, why can't I

57:10

do this one cool fire thing

57:12

that I thought was the thing? And I

57:16

get how as the dunge master, wanna

57:18

be like, oh, yeah. No. There are rules, but and he was

57:20

managing a large 378, so I don't think he did it with enough

57:23

care to

57:24

to, you know, make

57:27

a 378 that blow. Right.

57:28

And then she just bounced off the game. She was like, alright. I'd

57:30

rather just make up my own stories rather than

57:33

be restricted by this. This would

57:35

be Well, 378. I mean, she may come back

57:37

to it later once she understands a little bit more.

57:39

But Yeah. You kinda do have 378,

57:41

at this early stage, make it more about the

57:43

power fantasy or the fantasy of story

57:46

collaborative storytelling, more

57:48

in my opinion than having the exact

57:50

letter of

57:52

the rules out there. I I just couldn't

57:54

bring myself to say, like, you don't have that

57:56

spell or you don't know how to do that

57:58

dumb wizard. But you're right. Like,

58:00

it it's 378 actually just adds

58:03

to the story. So it wasn't

58:05

like a combat thing and it

58:07

wasn't it just 378 had literally

58:09

nothing to do other than it was part

58:11

of our funny

58:12

story. Yeah. And the only thing I would've done

58:14

differently would've been like, hey, you can't do that right now.

58:17

378 here is something you could do right now.

58:21

You know? Yeah. And and 378 part was

58:23

missing. I tried to say that to her independently

58:25

as a player. Because, again, players need to help out at the

58:27

end as much as possible. True. So I tried to tell her that

58:29

and she was just kinda was like, mhmm. Mhmm. 378

58:32

there's an idea of, like, getting bigger and stronger

58:34

over the the course of many

58:36

sessions that I don't think

58:37

Right. She was an assistant this moment because she's,

58:39

like, this is the only time I'm gonna play.

58:42

378 if she got to do it, the

58:44

cool thing Mhmm. Maybe

58:46

she would be, like, oh, then maybe And then, like, later

58:48

on, you could be, like, oh, by the way, that was the third level you

58:50

need to be x level to get that 378 blah

58:52

blah. Like, you know -- Yeah. -- you can get more into the weeds later.

58:54

But she could have maybe had, like, a really

58:58

378 powerful moment in the game that,

59:00

like, that's what she leaves her

59:02

session with. Yeah. Like, Tien t u is awesome.

59:04

I and then she's gonna go tell people,

59:07

III 378 this I mean, it did a

59:09

spell, it created a wildfire, and this happened,

59:11

and that happened, and oh, that actually

59:13

does sound cool. I didn't know that was DND. And

59:16

so on. It's so on. It's

59:18

so

59:18

on. You got it already. You know it.

59:21

Really? Mhmm. You

59:23

knew it innately because you like kids and

59:25

you want kids to feel like they're having

59:27

fun. I definitely want

59:29

them to feel. Empowered

59:31

and, like, they're having fun. They're doing

59:33

some they're just being

59:37

378, like, like, everything

59:39

that I feared about being

59:41

a dungeon master. Like, I don't know what they're gonna

59:43

do. And it's too much improb.

59:46

And I don't know the rules and stuff. They're they

59:49

will do because that's their nature.

59:51

And that ends up being what I just really

59:53

like. Like, I I decided

59:56

to make them, like, oh, they were in the mushroom

59:58

they were in the caves and there

1:00:00

was these mushroom people and they when they

1:00:02

got attacked by these vines, I've just been like,

1:00:04

oh, mushroom pops up on your skin.

1:00:07

378 they were terrified and, like,

1:00:09

but also so intrigued. I think some

1:00:12

of them actually wanted to get mushrooms on

1:00:14

their skin. And then some of but

1:00:16

then I was like, oh, you have to do a constitution

1:00:18

save because you're gonna

1:00:20

take damage from

1:00:21

it. Like, one point of damage every

1:00:24

turn if they didn't do something about the mushrooms.

1:00:26

Yeah. So it, like, actually gave like,

1:00:28

there was some tension now involved. And

1:00:30

then one of them goes up

1:00:32

to her friend on her 378. They're both

1:00:35

rogue's and she goes, I'm gonna

1:00:37

carve that mushroom. Out of your forehead

1:00:40

with my dagger. And I was like, what?

1:00:43

She was like, just wanna get it off. And

1:00:45

the friend was like, yeah. Yeah. Do it. I'm

1:00:48

like, I don't really know all the rules for

1:00:50

surgery. What do I even do?

1:00:54

Excuse me? I mean, it depends on intention

1:00:57

to continue or not if you wanted them to give

1:00:59

them the choice to be like, okay, that's

1:01:00

gone. You can just say that you 378 cut off. Like

1:01:03

I could have. I actually was like, no. Go ahead

1:01:05

and 378. And I'm just telling you now, it's gonna be

1:01:07

really hard.

1:01:08

Oh, thank you. She doesn't really make a sense

1:01:10

to ramp up. She I'm like, you got

1:01:12

some of it off, but guess what? Another

1:01:14

one just popped up. She

1:01:18

was like, oh, Okay. Are

1:01:20

you sure you haven't been watching the last of

1:01:22

us? I I know

1:01:24

378 told me that too. I watched

1:01:26

one 378. And I it was 378 for

1:01:28

me. I just

1:01:29

378 tenths. Yeah.

1:01:30

Yeah. I can't like, anything, like, apocalyptic.

1:01:33

I get really nervous about it. 378 that's exactly what

1:01:36

I keep thinking about as you're describing this, and then maybe

1:01:38

it filtered into the kid's consciousness

1:01:40

too. But then the the Paladins, like,

1:01:42

he was like, art junior

1:01:45

378 was like, I'm just gonna do lay on hands.

1:01:47

I got it. Don't worry. Here's our disease.

1:01:49

And he had to tell me, like, six times

1:01:52

how it worked. I was like, I don't think you have

1:01:54

that. He's like, all Paladins have

1:01:56

it. I'm like, well, I don't think you do because you're only

1:01:58

first level. He's like, Of course, I

1:02:00

have it at first level. And

1:02:03

he totally

1:02:03

did. I'm like, oh, okay. 378,

1:02:06

so what do you do again? He's like, Oh

1:02:08

my god.

1:02:09

It's in the name of the bank. Please. I put

1:02:11

my hands. I

1:02:13

lay my hands 378 it You

1:02:15

do have to roll dice. I would I don't I'm

1:02:17

like, I never played a pallet 378 I don't know.

1:02:19

He's like, I got this. Okay?

1:02:22

I got this lady. Jeez.

1:02:27

And then he told the the other pallet and he

1:02:29

was like, you do it too. Okay? Do, like, listen

1:02:31

to me, not her. You do it.

1:02:34

Spoken like how a true Paladins would act

1:02:36

in that moment too. I got this.

1:02:38

I'm not gonna interfere. Just go ahead and

1:02:40

heal them up. So they did. I love

1:02:43

378 ever. I love it. I still I still

1:02:45

actually don't know how it

1:02:46

works. That's so fun. You 378 look

1:02:48

at it. Well, yeah. He assured me

1:02:51

it their healed. Yeah.

1:02:52

Okay. But they can only do that in 378 amount

1:02:54

of times, which is why he asked the other person

1:02:56

to do it. Yes. They did. 378, like,

1:02:58

that was, like, 378 was their turn. They

1:03:00

they could have some

1:03:03

people would rather fight something than heal

1:03:05

something. Yeah. But they were like, no. No.

1:03:07

We'll we'll heal them

1:03:08

up. We'll

1:03:09

we'll pray to our our daddy and

1:03:11

get it going.

1:03:12

So adorable. Well, if you want to

1:03:14

get in touch with us to ask any questions about

1:03:17

run time. Or give me advice, please.

1:03:19

Or give the Shelley

1:03:20

advice, where can they find

1:03:22

you?

1:03:23

378 Shelly Moo on Twitter and Instagram.

1:03:26

And I met Greg 378 on

1:03:29

Twitter, Greg underscore Tito

1:03:31

on Instagram, and

1:03:33

on Hive and Mastodon Jas Greg

1:03:35

Tito as well. And cohost

1:03:37

even though I'm not even really on that. But check it out.

1:03:40

There's other places to find and interact

1:03:42

with and and

1:03:45

speaking of 378, 378 two

1:03:47

shoes is interacting with

1:03:49

a Tibaxi in the Court

1:03:52

of Wispers and

1:03:54

getting ready to find out

1:03:56

more about the tobacco home

1:03:58

world.

1:03:58

I did my people. That's right.

1:04:01

So, yes, you are in the 378 of

1:04:03

Whisper's U. Speaking to AAA

1:04:07

woman to

1:04:07

backseat, and she

1:04:09

had 378 your palms.

1:04:11

Oh, yeah. If I remember correctly. And

1:04:15

she said, yes, I'm I'm I'm willing

1:04:18

to to go with you. I'm actually you caught me at

1:04:20

a good time because I am not

1:04:22

engaged in any official

1:04:24

business right now. And we're

1:04:27

going off to see the

1:04:29

tobacco

1:04:30

378 what you had proposed if

1:04:32

I 378.

1:04:33

Yes. Jonathan, how do we get there?

1:04:35

I don't know. We'll need to cool

1:04:37

our resources, but I think there is one more

1:04:40

378 that we must find here on the 378

1:04:42

Radiant

1:04:42

Citadel. My brother? Your brother left.

1:04:45

Oh. It 378 the story that I

1:04:47

heard.

1:04:48

No. I 378

1:04:49

on a fact finding mission

1:04:51

and never returned. Darryl.

1:04:54

But I believe maybe we should try to find out

1:04:57

how Darryl 378.

1:04:59

Who sent him on this mission? I

1:05:01

believe it was the speaker,

1:05:04

Jola, and now has

1:05:06

instructed you to

1:05:09

following his 378, but perhaps with more

1:05:11

of a helping hand than he was

1:05:13

able to do. General? Yeah.

1:05:16

Yeah. Did

1:05:19

Schola tell us what the mission was?

1:05:22

Yes. To find out what occurred

1:05:24

to this civilization.

1:05:26

Oh, okay.

1:05:27

378 to find your brother. That's your that was your goal.

1:05:30

That was my mission, but why

1:05:32

why she sent Darryl off? The

1:05:34

speakers have a overarching

1:05:37

mission to restore

1:05:40

all of the civilizations that were

1:05:42

connected at one time to the Radian Citadel. Some

1:05:44

of them are 378 have some crystals

1:05:47

that are dormant and are

1:05:50

not able to go to the founding

1:05:52

civilizations. 378 the goal is to

1:05:54

want to reunite all of our civilizations since

1:05:59

the rebirth. 378 was one of the people that

1:06:01

was here. Refinding this

1:06:03

citadel and rebuilding it after

1:06:05

the connections had been 378?

1:06:07

I'm I'm I'm committed to this

1:06:10

to this journey through

1:06:13

the radiance at Adele. Excellent.

1:06:15

And Adele, the woman

1:06:18

that you're speaking to says,

1:06:21

yes, I think there is. There 378. Another thing you

1:06:23

mentioned, there is another one

1:06:25

of us that is a

1:06:27

bit of a loner. Oh, she

1:06:30

holds to herself. She lives

1:06:32

a small hut

1:06:34

on the edge.

1:06:35

Okay. Let's go.

1:06:36

I've spoken with her once.

1:06:38

What did she talk about? She was

1:06:43

shopping for food, and I

1:06:46

378 often see people like

1:06:48

us here. And so I 378 to

1:06:51

speak with her and she turned

1:06:53

her shoulder to me and walked away. Oh,

1:06:56

alright. Well, I I can be very charming.

1:06:59

Can you? Yes. Perhaps you've

1:07:02

noticed. I have. Indeed. You are

1:07:04

very attractive. Whoa.

1:07:07

Bean. Is that too forward? No.

1:07:10

I I no. I take excellent

1:07:12

care of my shiny fur.

1:07:15

You do. 378 is

1:07:17

lustrous. I thank you.

1:07:21

Jonathan and Samsung rolled their

1:07:23

eyes at this interaction. Can

1:07:25

we please --

1:07:26

Yes. -- can you also

1:07:28

find that Tabaxi? Alright.

1:07:30

And so you start walking after

1:07:33

the individual, the

1:07:36

the 378 individual. Oh.

1:07:40

And she says my name is

1:07:42

378. 378 yours again?

1:07:44

Drunky.

1:07:45

Is that your real name?

1:07:47

Yes. Mhmm. Drunky twos shoes.

1:07:50

Seems like a doesn't really describe

1:07:52

you. I'm drunk right now. You

1:07:58

are? She's laughing. You are.

1:08:01

Really? Mhmm. And I hand her my

1:08:03

water skin filled with

1:08:06

elixirs. Your lips? What's

1:08:08

in? Is it wine? Or or what would you have in

1:08:10

your in your skin? Whatever

1:08:12

I can find, it's probably, like,

1:08:15

a little 378. She

1:08:22

takes this this week of it 378 she goes, 378

1:08:25

a you weren't kidding?

1:08:27

No. No. 378 what you can get. Wow.

1:08:29

I feel I feel more at ease with you

1:08:31

than I did. I was nervous you were going to

1:08:34

378 like me.

1:08:35

Oh, compliments 378 you far, Altia.

1:08:38

Well, I hope that works on

1:08:41

this old 378 woman. 378

1:08:43

if it's my mother?

1:08:44

Do you say that loud?

1:08:46

Yes. I I do.

1:08:48

Jonathan says, what if? Is

1:08:53

that possible?

1:08:55

I don't know. I've never I've never met

1:08:57

my mother. You haven't? No.

1:09:00

You and Darryl? We were

1:09:03

adopted. Who adopted

1:09:05

you? From

1:09:05

humans? Where? In 378.

1:09:09

Oh, is that an area in

1:09:11

in your world? Yes.

1:09:13

It's a jungle. There's dinosaurs.

1:09:17

378 are dinosaurs? Oh.

1:09:19

Yeah. Like really big giant

1:09:22

cobalt on four legs.

1:09:24

They have they can speak they've

1:09:26

laid traps and and attack

1:09:29

in in

1:09:29

No. They're just like reptilians. The Jas

1:09:31

ways? No. CBS?

1:09:33

Like a like a 378, like

1:09:36

a like a tricky tree.

1:09:44

378, I think I've drank too much of your your

1:09:46

drink.

1:09:46

Uh-oh. You're cut off.

1:09:49

And you you all continue walking,

1:09:51

and we'll pick it up next time as you're

1:09:54

strolling,

1:09:54

drinking, and getting to know and creating

1:09:57

backstory.

1:09:58

Yes. On the fly, because

1:10:00

I improv, because I'm a dungeon

1:10:02

master. Yeah.

1:10:05

Making it happen. Alright.