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Welcome to 383 yesterday.

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Very excited for this episode.

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I am Greg Tito. That is

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Shelley Mattsonoval over there. Yay. We

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are here for the official of Dungeon and 383

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Podcast, and we're gonna talk about all types

0:23

of fun amazing things that are

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happening. Including our amazing

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383.

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He's a king. He's an

0:30

actual king. And you know how I know that?

0:32

How

0:32

do you know that?

0:33

It wears a crown. Mhmm.

0:35

383 is the definition. It's true.

0:37

Yep. I love it. Jaden King

0:39

is here talking about all types

0:41

of amazing

0:44

fun in philosophical and or

0:46

performance based topics around

0:48

d and

0:48

d. And 383, we're gonna learn

0:50

so much, everybody. Get your note pad

0:53

ready dungeon 383,

0:54

lots of good advice coming for you.

0:56

It's true. And for those of

0:58

you who are looking for more inspiration,

1:01

there is tons of things coming out there,

1:03

including the Dungeons and Dragons

1:05

movie, Honor among thieves. It's

1:08

amazing the critical and

1:11

or influencer response that's

1:13

happened so

1:13

far. People love this movie.

1:15

I'm so excited. I am so

1:17

glad because I know when people hear us,

1:19

talking about it. Of course, they're like, you guys get

1:21

paid

1:22

383, like, work on D and D. What are you gonna

1:24

say? Right. Here's what we're gonna say. Nothing.

1:27

We could have just said

1:28

something. Nothing. It's true. And

1:30

now I hope you believe us and know our

1:32

enthusiasm for this movie is real.

1:34

And I specialty love one

1:37

of the reviews

1:40

that was like, I don't even

1:42

played in. I don't know anything about D and D,

1:44

and I thought this was one of the most this 383 was

1:46

the I think they even said it was the best thing

1:49

they saw 383 by

1:50

Southwest. Wow.

1:51

Wow. I know. Uh-huh. So

1:53

get your non D and D play and friends

1:56

to come with you because you

1:58

don't have to love D and D to love this

2:00

movie. 383 if you do love D and D,

2:03

there's a lot more for you to love, but

2:05

anyone's going to enjoy

2:07

it. It's so good. I can't wait to see

2:09

it again. You know what my favorite quote is, I tweeted

2:11

this out, but it was the fact that one

2:13

of the reviews from 383 that

2:15

honor among thieves is like a mash up of

2:17

the Lord of the Rings, the Princess bride,

2:19

Star Wars, National 383, Treasurer,

2:22

a medieval x men and 383.

2:25

Okay. I'm like, dude, that's

2:29

comparing it to both, like, Oscar

2:31

winning movies as well as franchise starting movies

2:34

and it's actually just a bit accurate

2:37

as a mash up of all

2:38

that.

2:38

Yeah. Definitely.

2:40

The comedy of Princess bride, it's all

2:42

there. I agree.

2:44

That yes. 383 seems like

2:46

a lofty goal and yet

2:49

succeeded. Nailed 383. Nailed it.

2:53

383

2:53

we didn't like it, we would just say nothing. That is

2:55

actually very true.

2:56

Right. We would. To be like, mhmm.

2:58

Yeah. Moving

2:59

on. Moving on. Jeremy Irons was really good.

3:04

It's worth it and can't wait for everybody on

3:07

March thirty 383 to check it

3:09

out.

3:10

Yes. Please do and

3:12

tell us how much you loved it. And there's a lot

3:14

of fun stuff that we are

3:16

releasing in celebration of that, including

3:19

the character Josier

3:21

of many of the characters in

3:24

the movie and some other

3:26

fun stuff that might be interacting with. Other

3:28

brands run by wizards of

3:30

the 383, so check it out

3:33

when we are talking

3:35

about a little thing called DND

3:38

383, that will be

3:40

on the 383 eighth of March.

3:43

Oh, really? How exciting

3:46

is that. There'll be 383 more info

3:48

around the movie as well as some other fun exciting

3:51

announcements that you are

3:53

not expecting. I'm I'm showing you right now as you're

3:55

listening to this. You will not expect the

3:57

amazingness that is coming

3:58

out.

3:59

You couldn't guess it. You just couldn't.

4:01

Yeah. But listen to

4:03

this, you should be marking your calendars for

4:05

it. Greg, what would I

4:08

do if I see the D and

4:10

D movie and I'm super excited about

4:12

the concept of like playing

4:14

a character that's part of a

4:16

heist crew. Mhmm. What what

4:18

could I do? How could I how could

4:20

I like live that tail?

4:23

Of Mike's money. One of

4:25

my colleagues Dan Barrett

4:26

actually have an

4:27

exact same thought.

4:28

Oh, wow. And

4:30

he pitched an amazing book 383 ended up

4:32

being real. Keys from the Golden

4:34

383.

4:35

Oh, my goodness. A collection

4:38

of thirteen highest themed

4:40

adventures. One of which

4:42

actually adds a location in

4:45

the D and D movie, Heroes

4:47

End. No. 383 was good.

4:48

REVEL's End.

4:49

REVEL's End. 383 also might

4:51

be where the heroes end, but

4:53

It's probably the end of a lot of heroes,

4:55

to be honest. And

4:57

one of funniest moments that opens up

5:00

the D and D movie as well. So

5:02

good. With an era of COBRA, I will say.

5:05

You've you've Slapper. It's

5:07

not Slapper. But

5:10

it is a very Slapper like character.

5:14

Don't say anymore.

5:15

Yeah. It's so good.

5:17

Yeah. Make you look. 383, yeah, Keith from the

5:19

Golden Ball, you can live out your your dream

5:21

of of of creating a D and D party,

5:23

getting

5:23

together, and hoisting it up. Definitely.

5:27

So 383. And

5:29

a great book and

5:32

I am excited because you're you are going

5:34

to want to to live out those

5:36

heist fantasies. So I

5:38

remember being a kid and seeing

5:40

the 383 mutant Ninja Turtles movie and

5:43

being like, I'm gonna be a ninja and like, you know,

5:45

doing like with my friend who I would go see it with,

5:47

we, like, went outside and, like, was doing, you

5:50

know, karate moves. Like, we were

5:52

just like the characters in the movie. And I feel like

5:54

you can do that while after watching the D and

5:56

D movie. But, like, I wanna set 383, you know, this

5:58

type of family 383, heist,

6:01

and and and get it all together. I think that

6:03

would be a fantastic move for

6:05

anyone out

6:06

there. And

6:06

you could be a 383. Well A tortoise.

6:08

So you could blend both of your fantasies together.

6:12

Right? It could be a a 383

6:15

383. And then

6:18

did we I'm sure we mentioned I

6:20

know we mentioned, like, 383 festival

6:22

twenty twenty three 383 --

6:23

Yeah. -- are attending as guests. Right?

6:27

Yes. So excited a former guest

6:29

of Dragon 383 Terrence McMullen 383

6:32

us to go to Spokane, and

6:34

we're playing DND there in addition to talking

6:36

about our book welcome to Dragon Talk

6:38

inspiring conversations about Tandy

6:41

and the people who love to play

6:42

it. Good

6:42

job. I haven't said the subtitles in so long.

6:44

I'm impressed that you remembered it.

6:47

I'm scared. And then I kept

6:48

Yeah. You're like, I haven't had 383. can't

6:51

stop now. 383

6:52

roller coaster ride. Yeah. So

6:54

if you are in the 383 Washington

6:57

area, come on

6:59

over. Hey,

7:00

Sheldon. 383 us. Say hello,

7:02

there's a lot of wonderful authors

7:04

attending the show, and it's kind of like

7:07

mind blowing

7:08

383, like, we're among them. Mhmm. True.

7:10

Or just there too. And one of those

7:13

amazing people is 383 Arman

7:15

on the DND team who is

7:17

running a 383 from

7:20

keys from the Golden 383 us there with a

7:22

bunch of other

7:22

authors. We'll be

7:23

383 as

7:24

players. I'm so excited for that. I

7:26

am so excited to make my character Did I

7:28

tell you I know Oh, I was gonna be like

7:30

a trickster

7:31

rogue.

7:31

Oh, have you switched it up? No.

7:33

I still am, but I think I'm gonna be a hair

7:35

and gone. I

7:37

love Heron Gons. So I

7:39

think as you know what my backstory

7:41

is?

7:42

You're like rabbit from Weenapoo? No.

7:45

No.

7:46

I was pulled out of

7:48

a magician's hat. And

7:51

you're

7:51

like, I don't know how many of this works. And

7:53

I escaped the magicians

7:56

383. And now I am I am my own

7:58

trickster rogue. I

8:00

that's an amazing story.

8:02

Thank you. Maybe I wanna be the magician

8:04

that pulled you out.

8:07

I like it. It could be, like, stop the page

8:09

and and you could just constantly be the whole

8:11

383, like, you know, of

8:12

course, we will do, like, the heist. But

8:14

we'll have our own little substory where you're just

8:17

chasing me around trying to get me back. You're back in the

8:19

in the house. Yeah. You're ruined by ass.

8:21

383? I will have

8:23

a 383 in background. I know 383. That sounds

8:25

great. So

8:28

fun. Can't wait. D and D is

8:30

awesome. Check 383 GetLitt Festival.

8:33

And we are excited

8:36

to sign

8:36

books, and I don't mean as many of our fans there

8:38

as we can.

8:39

Oh my god. I'm kind of nervous

8:41

383 so excited. Yes. And

8:45

I think we want everyone who are listening

8:47

to Dragon Talk. We're always looking for

8:49

new subscribers. We always

8:51

don't self promote this

8:54

383, but we are dependent

8:56

on word-of-mouth. So if you have people

8:59

who are getting interested in dungeons and dragons

9:01

and they wanna learn more, 383 to

9:03

this podcast, get them to subscribe. And

9:06

if they are doing something fun and interesting, there's

9:10

so much inspiration to be had. From listening

9:12

to this

9:12

podcast. So spread the word as much as you can.

9:15

Yes. Speaking of inspiration,

9:17

I mean, stop. 383 listen

9:20

to this interview coming

9:21

up. That's right. Jaden King inspires

9:24

all of us and comes up with very

9:26

good slogans.

9:28

Mhmm. And off the cuff. And someone

9:31

who is very good at self promotion,

9:33

I have to say. Yeah. We could we could learn a thing

9:35

or

9:35

two. From the king. To the king.

9:37

Let's get them in here. That's

9:41

welcome. Jaiden King, 383. Dragon

9:43

King. CYREN's,

9:49

where are you? Where? Where?

9:52

Where? Where? The

9:53

game has arrived. Definitely.

9:56

The crowd in all.

9:58

Wearing a crowd. Yes. I know. It's an audio

10:00

medium, but I'm sure that just

10:03

the presence of the

10:03

crown. You can hear it.

10:06

It's very vibrant

10:08

383

10:08

Yeah. That

10:09

383 a royal planet. Yes. I hear it.

10:11

And Spell it. I'll send you podcast

10:14

hours. This is a

10:16

scratch and sniff podcast going forward. Oh,

10:18

that's that fourth dimension they've been talking about.

10:22

Well, we're so excited to have you out. There's so

10:24

much wonderful things that you

10:26

are doing within the d

10:29

and d 383

10:31

zone and we were just talking before we started,

10:33

you have a job title now. What what is that job

10:35

title? So my official title as

10:37

it currently stands is TTRPG industry

10:40

coach with a specialty in narrative

10:43

and mechanical design. So

10:45

I hope that helps everything from the game

10:47

mechanics to the storytelling, from

10:50

building it, to playing it, to running

10:52

it, and everything in between that includes

10:54

from your personal 383,

10:56

to the professional table all the way to

10:58

the grand stage of actual play. Wow.

11:01

That almost I mean, that felt practice

11:03

but also off the cuff at the same

11:05

time. You're good at this. Oh,

11:07

it's almost like I'm a professional GM.

11:09

Who knew? 383 you

11:11

also have a background in in performing

11:13

live as well. Right? I do. Actually,

11:16

I have been doing live performances for

11:19

nearly a decade now, my

11:22

first live performance was running for mayor

11:24

in high school and then 383

11:26

that, I just start doing stand up comedy,

11:28

improv theater, film, television,

11:31

directing, writing, like, all

11:33

kinds of things across mostly the

11:36

Pacific 383 and then

11:38

took that to tabletop because I'm also

11:40

been a gamer since before I was

11:42

born. How is

11:44

that possible? My mother

11:46

used to tell me that as a in the womb, I would

11:48

always kick fuss all the time. The only

11:50

way she could calm me down is when she sat in front of

11:52

a TV and played Tetris or Pac

11:54

Man. It was the only time would calm down in

11:57

the womb. Wow. Yeah.

11:59

Like, that's me and my mom grew up playing

12:01

383, Mario Bros.

12:04

Pac Man, and like those,

12:06

like, classic games. My mother was

12:08

383 of person that would see a Pacmented arcade

12:11

and I'm like, I'll play real quick. And she'd sit there for

12:13

like twenty minutes and beat

12:14

it. I didn't even know you could beat Pac man.

12:16

So like gaming is

12:17

literally in my blood.

12:20

383 amazing. I wonder what it is

12:22

about the movement of Pac Man

12:24

and Tetris that

12:26

you found soothing. As a

12:28

as a But don't you take the vibration? Who

12:31

I think it's like, currently, it's I like

12:33

logic based systems. So, like, I

12:35

as 383 don't. I analyze video

12:37

games a lot. Like, I understand frame

12:39

rate movement, pitch cadence,

12:42

video games all work off rhythm like music,

12:44

and I'm mildly toned up, but

12:46

in video games, it's almost like I've got this

12:48

383 experience where I'm like, I could see

12:50

motion and the logic and how it works.

12:53

And then when you apply that to performance, everything

12:55

has a pattern and we recognize

12:57

it's like a deep psychology. Oh, because, yeah, I

12:59

graduated in college with a major in business

13:02

law and psychology. So I apply all

13:04

383 at the same

13:05

time. Wait.

13:06

Three three majors? Well, it's officially

13:08

a business major and I took x recourses

13:10

to minor in psychology and business

13:13

law. And so all that compounded

13:15

into, you know, game design

13:17

383.

13:19

383 where I've been diagram of several

13:21

years 383 Yeah. I do

13:23

think the psychology does

13:26

factor in. A lot. And I

13:28

often I always I do.

13:30

Man, if I could go back and do it all

13:32

again, I would have liked to have been

13:35

383 some more psychology. Courses.

13:37

Because I think if an understanding of

13:39

the human mind and behavior is

13:42

will serve you in

13:43

everything. But especially in games,

13:45

do you agree? Absolutely. 383

13:48

are 383 on psychology. They're just

13:51

it's hidden marketing elements and they

13:53

feed off of what we desire, whether

13:55

we like video games, which have Sims, action,

13:58

adventure, fantasy, sci fi, they

14:00

all 383 to an entertainment value. And when you

14:02

take that to TTRPGs, you

14:04

get to understand why people play

14:06

the game. Are they trying to escape

14:08

the world? Or are they trying to understand

14:11

the world? Do they want to go into gaming and

14:13

escape the dramas around their life? Or do they

14:15

want to confront those with their characters, other

14:17

characters, and emulation of themselves?

14:19

Or are these alternative versions

14:22

that they wish they were. And then you can portray

14:25

who those characters are through the players, and it really

14:27

helps you connect with them and them connect

14:29

with the

14:30

story. We always say the

14:32

best dungeon masters out there are those who listen,

14:34

and that is very much

14:37

what therapy

14:39

and 383 type of thing is all 383. Just I'm

14:41

here to listen and get out what is unnecessary.

14:43

And that's basically what a dungeon master does

14:45

too. Yeah. I mean, it's as

14:47

a junior master, like, I always tell people when

14:49

we play games. 383 and

14:52

all 383

14:53

It's not therapy, but it is therapeutic.

14:57

Yes.

14:57

So, like, you can apply it the same way,

15:00

but

15:00

it's also therapy. It They're

15:03

like a 383 of therapy and, you know, it's in there.

15:05

It's it's definitely seated all the way through.

15:07

Yeah. Yeah.

15:09

And, yeah, DMs are very much

15:11

therapists along with your

15:14

383.

15:15

And 383, Trader Joe's cashiers.

15:18

Yes. They are everyone all

15:20

around us and you don't even know it. It's a

15:22

slow 383, but we're doing it.

15:26

Well, good. Well, I'll be healthier because

15:28

of it. So how has your, you

15:31

know, background? I mean, this is very

15:33

varied very varied background in

15:36

performance, doing 383, and things like that. I'm

15:38

really interested to see how that is transferred

15:41

to your skills behind the

15:44

behind the screen? Like, what have you do you

15:46

feel like more at ease with every everybody's

15:48

eyes on you because of it?

15:49

Actually, very much so. I because

15:52

I did my theater background was not

15:55

traditional like Shakespearean, it was

15:57

mostly improv theater. So I

15:59

thrived off of maybe getting

16:01

three, four words and just doing a

16:03

full hour long play with my

16:06

team to do that. I started improv

16:08

school, and within the first month, I

16:10

graduated faster than the like,

16:12

I basically moved up because I got the elements

16:15

of how improv works and expanded that. And I

16:17

realized it's just the same thing. Your players

16:20

give you information. Or your gym, whoever you

16:22

are because I play both sides. And

16:24

people just give you information, and it's yes

16:26

and, but it's yes and plus quality. Move

16:29

the story along and really get into it. So,

16:31

like, I don't make 383, I

16:33

become 383, and I sit

16:35

within that element. And when people are like, what's going

16:37

on? I'm like, let me tell you a story.

16:40

Like, I make jokes 383 I go to, like, Starbucks.

16:42

And when I meet someone, I'm like, let me tell you a

16:44

tale of something. And I'm like, oh, I'm so in transit.

16:46

I'm

16:46

like, yes. I'm a dungeon master to the

16:48

world if they listen.

16:50

Oh, I like that. Everywhere you

16:52

go, you're a dungeon master.

16:54

Everywhere you go, someone's listening, you could

16:56

tell a story.

16:57

So you said it's what?

17:00

Plus quality? Wait. Why did I just know blinking?

17:02

Yes, there. Yes, he is plus quality.

17:04

Plus quality. I want to talk about the quality

17:07

because I

17:09

feel like I need help there. You

17:12

are obviously, I think, there's some people who

17:14

are just natural storytellers. But

17:17

how do you know something's quality before

17:21

you try it out. And what

17:24

do you do if you're if it's not

17:26

quality? Do you just abandon and go

17:28

to the next

17:28

thing? Like, How do you how do you know?

17:31

So 383 is a bit subjective, and I think

17:33

the best way to do it is authenticity. Don't

17:36

try to force a story that doesn't need

17:38

to be told. But more importantly, don't

17:40

force a story that you want to tell. You

17:42

have an idea and you give it to

17:44

the players. What they choose to latch 383

17:47

is your story. So the best

17:49

way to do it is they give you something and you say

17:51

yes and here are option 383,

17:53

b and c in a story element. The

17:55

best way to do that is to hit three different senses.

17:58

Go with what they hear, which is different than what

18:00

they smell, which is different than what they see,

18:02

and they'll pick one of those focuses. Once

18:05

they pick one, you know your quality

18:07

because they chose to focus on this

18:09

sense or what this feeling gave them.

18:11

Because all our senses are are taking

18:14

feelings and translating. When you smell

18:16

an apple pie, some people don't like to smell

18:18

of apples, so it doesn't do much. And then other

18:20

people, they smell an apple pie and they remember that

18:22

one time their grandmother made an apple pie with

18:24

the best apple made ever, and then

18:27

that's the feeling. And people 383

18:29

to feelings. And that's how you know

18:31

quality when people feel

18:33

and that's how they connect. Wow.

18:36

That's that psychology again. Yeah.

18:39

You were basically like you

18:42

are like the ultimate dungeon master

18:44

with all of your backgrounds converging

18:46

here. All the pieces. I'm like a was

18:48

trying to figure out my entire life doing so many different

18:50

paths. Like, I think I spent eight years as

18:53

a professional security manager, so I

18:55

ran physical security for a company,

18:57

and I never realized until

18:59

recently how well that translated because

19:01

you get to see what guards

19:03

do and what civilians do and people are like, what does

19:05

that mean? I'm like, will you see the perspective

19:08

of trauma all around

19:10

you? People are feeling the most brutal

19:13

emotions around you from

19:15

criminal 383, to irate

19:17

customers, to enjoy people who are

19:20

glad to see you and dealing with

19:22

corporate executives to people on

19:24

the 383. I think that I've dealt with

19:26

more a variety of individuals as a security

19:28

guard that I have in any other job

19:30

or studies I've ever done. And

19:32

it really kind of helps bridge

19:34

that gap of everything else I've done. I realize

19:37

everything we do makes us a storyteller.

19:39

Every experience you had, movie you

19:41

watched, book you read, dream you

19:43

had, food you 383, just

19:45

tell other people those experiences and

19:48

when they connect to one, you become

19:50

friends, and the story just starts telling

19:52

itself. So profound. I mean, you're you're also

19:54

combining all of your, like, academic background and

19:56

being able to elucidate about

19:59

these 383. reminds me of the

20:01

thing. So many Yeah. 383 a good

20:03

one. Right? Well, that's

20:05

fifty cent word pile I've got in

20:07

the background. Fuck fifty at least.

20:11

3GP 383 least. 383

20:14

I love that because that is our lives. Right?

20:16

We our lives are a series of 383, and

20:18

we have different stories for different people

20:21

that we interact with -- Mhmm. -- you know,

20:23

and they can be good, they can

20:25

be bad, they can be in the

20:27

383, and you can revisit them and have a

20:29

reconciliation.

20:30

And, like, that's, you know, 383 people call

20:32

it different things, like having closure or things like that,

20:34

but really what you're doing is you're completing

20:36

your story with that person or

20:39

or your art an an arc

20:41

with that person

20:42

and you can

20:42

start a new arc with that person. And that's and

20:45

it's a beautiful thing, truly. I

20:47

mean, another thing I 383 is, like, a lot

20:49

of people don't think about it like this, but everyone

20:51

has done what a GM

20:54

does. When they've ever seen a movie

20:56

because every person who's ever watched a movie

20:59

walks out of the theater or ends the movie

21:01

like, what if? And

21:03

that's it. That's all it takes to be GM is

21:05

ask the question, what if,

21:07

and then ask that question to your players

21:09

because you say, this happened,

21:11

but what if it went this way? And

21:13

then they answer 383. And you just keep

21:15

posing, what if questions and

21:17

let them answer it? And that's all

21:19

it is the entire arc is 383 if

21:21

that door was locked? Well, I would pick it. 383. Perfect.

21:24

What if you tried to what if it broke?

21:26

Well, then I do this. And it's just

21:28

a series of what ifs until one

21:30

day, you're like, there's nothing to ask now.

21:32

383

21:33

that never happens. 383?

21:34

Like -- Exactly. -- you 383 never go to that brands.

21:37

Yeah. I love storytellers that

21:39

acknowledge 383. Like, I have one of my favorite

21:41

fantasy trilogies. It's a really dense

21:43

one by Ted Williams. And

21:46

ends with the last book. And

21:48

there's just this idea that, like, no, there's gonna

21:50

be another story coming forward. Not in

21:52

the sequel way, but just in the way that, like,

21:54

There's no this this may be an end, but

21:57

it's not the end. It's it's very

21:59

much going

21:59

on. And I love that feeling

22:01

of, like, knowing that stories don't

22:03

end they just reach temporary

22:06

closure of an event. Most stories

22:09

don't end when the glass

22:11

page is turned. The story truly ends.

22:13

When someone has confronted and

22:16

hidden 383. And that's what the psychology

22:18

kicks in. Truly an arc ends when someone

22:20

has overcome a trauma they didn't even realize

22:22

they had or maybe they did. When you think

22:24

about the robe that finally chose

22:26

to sacrifice themselves, they stopped being

22:29

so ice slated or the paladin that realized

22:31

that maybe the law isn't so clean-cut

22:33

or the monk that realizes maybe the monastery

22:35

wasn't everything they needed. They've broken

22:38

away from this form of trauma

22:41

that told them there's more to life, and then the

22:43

art completes for them. But there's always

22:45

more because humans we evolve,

22:48

change, and the world is always 383 a

22:50

conflict with us, but we don't have to

22:52

be at conflict with ourselves. And the story

22:54

is just doing that. Doesn't matter if you're

22:56

fighting a ledge king because at the end of the day, what matters

22:58

is did you feel that you

23:00

gain something from confronting the

23:02

ledge king? Or even to shorter did

23:05

you feel as you were saying? Right? Right. Exactly.

23:07

Because at the end of the day, if you felt something,

23:09

then you're playing it correctly. It's better if you

23:11

felt good feelings. But also,

23:14

feeling sadness is not a bad thing. And

23:16

that's another thing I think GM 383 they're scared

23:18

of. They're scared to make players and characters

23:21

feel negative emotions. But negative

23:23

emotions are some of our most visceral

23:25

feelings. When you force a paladin

23:28

to make choice between following what is

23:30

good and following what is lawful, you put them

23:32

in a turmoil. But when they make the decision,

23:34

they realize what is actually 383. 383

23:37

that beautiful moment because then the player's like,

23:39

I love my character and it's like,

23:41

good. 383 you have felt something 383 you haven't

23:43

felt in a long time. Yeah. 383 do

23:46

you do with

23:49

well, I guess, part of this because you're you're

23:52

a professional Game 383. So

23:54

people can't hire you for to run

23:56

games from them, which is amazing

23:59

because that's that is a viable

24:01

profession.

24:03

Professionals, game, 383 -- Yeah.

24:05

-- is amazing. 383

24:06

didn't exist when we started this podcast. Like,

24:08

that was crazy that we've been like I

24:09

think we joked about it. Like, you know, we somebody

24:12

should hire you. Should play do and

24:14

do with them.

24:14

Right. 383. They do. No. They do. No.

24:16

do. Yeah. So

24:21

383 was my question? Oh, yeah. Okay. So you don't always

24:23

know who who your people are 383.

24:26

You're like, oh, yeah. This sounds like a great game. I wanna

24:28

play 383. I love the style. 383 you don't

24:30

know who is necessarily going to sit at your table.

24:32

And how do you get

24:35

non storytellers to

24:38

tell great stories in a

24:40

short amount of time, but even just in

24:42

general, like either it doesn't have to be in a short amount of time

24:44

because I'm sure you've played in longer campaigns. 383

24:46

everybody is is as prolific as you

24:48

are. And not everybody not everyone has

24:51

unleashed the storyteller in them. They're just

24:53

like

24:53

waiting for it to be unlocked.

24:55

Waiting. How do you do that? So

24:56

how do I unlock it for the GMs or the players that

24:58

are The players 383 are new.

25:01

383 I do is actually a method I recently

25:04

started since I started coaching, I kind

25:06

of been showing people this approach. One

25:08

of the best ways to make storytelling possible

25:10

is to step out of the story and step into

25:13

the life. And a lot of times when you

25:15

think about D and D, there's this divide

25:17

you can make. Hi. I'm playing 383,

25:20

Pality the Pality and what they do.

25:22

But instead of asking what Pality the Pality

25:25

does, I say, okay,

25:27

this is what's happening, Pali. How

25:30

do you feel about that? And they

25:32

383 times, almost every time a new player is kinda like,

25:34

what do you mean? I'm like, well, this is

25:36

what's been happening, and I know that your

25:39

character wants this. How do they

25:41

feel knowing that this is happening? And almost every

25:43

time they're like, well, I I think they feel

25:47

scared or sad or maybe more

25:49

surface emotions like, oh, they're they're not sure.

25:51

And I'm like, perfect. By the end of the

25:53

session, I always go. So, like, tell me,

25:55

Pali, how do you feel? Every time

25:57

by the end a player says, well, I

25:59

feel this because they have become so immersed

26:01

in their character by constantly asking how

26:04

they feel about their actions, makes

26:06

them get connected to the character and

26:08

kind of blurs that line for a moment.

26:10

And they get so into character that they feel it.

26:13

So by the end, they're like, wow, I

26:15

have players who message me, they're like, I've

26:17

played DND all the time and I've never

26:19

felt so to this character and it's because

26:21

I ask them to tell me how the character feels

26:23

because once you have to figure out how someone

26:26

feels, you feel empathy. That

26:28

empathy starts to become your feelings,

26:30

and then you start doing this sympathy, empathy

26:33

combined. And the story just becomes

26:35

natural because you step into

26:37

the

26:37

character. It's a way to convert non performers

26:40

into performers as well.

26:41

Yeah. You know, if you don't know the character,

26:43

you're like, cool. Well, tell me how they feel. I don't know.

26:46

How would you feel? And they're like, well, I would feel this

26:48

way. I'm like, 383? So imagine that the character feels

26:50

that in voila. And so you do that

26:52

in storytelling as a GM. If you're

26:54

having players that aren't connecting, ask

26:56

them to just tell you how the character feels.

26:58

And you do that before or after

27:01

any role they make. Especially

27:03

if they fail and even if they succeed

27:05

because those moments help them

27:08

drive their motivations

27:10

until they become synonymous with themselves.

27:13

I don't do that enough. I realize.

27:16

I don't either. I was thinking the same as a lot of

27:18

my the people I've been talking to.

27:21

They 383 the same thing. They're like, I don't

27:23

ask how my 383 feel because they're

27:25

so worried about the tactics, the mechanics.

27:28

And I'm like, Step away from the mechanics. The mechanics

27:30

will do their job. Mhmm. But you

27:32

need to just ask them how does their character

27:35

feel and it will tell you exactly what you

27:37

need. If a character is scared, lean into

27:39

it. Give them wisdom saving throws 383 maintain

27:41

their composure. If someone says, they're

27:43

nervous, we'll give them, like, some charisma.

27:46

Just get them that confidence. Like, we

27:48

do those little moments to make them feel

27:50

their emotions connect to the dice roll

27:52

--

27:52

Yeah. -- and then voila. It's just hoping

27:54

the world is theirs. 383 such a

27:56

great easy tool because

27:58

that also unlocks something

28:02

that we've thought about a lot, which is when you

28:04

experience those emotions of your 383, it's

28:07

no different in your brain chemistry than

28:09

you actually feeling those feelings. And that's where

28:11

it gets weird to me where I'm like, man, it's

28:13

so it's almost 383 tapping into the multiverse

28:16

little bit and being like, it is. I'm experiencing

28:18

this character, but I'm also experiencing me at the

28:20

same time. And those memories that

28:23

they're locking in of that

28:24

session, it's it

28:26

you can't distinguish between the real

28:28

and unreal. Very much so. And

28:30

so when that's why I like giving them

28:32

the closure of 383, especially in longer

28:34

campaigns, because almost every

28:36

time I've had players step away from that, they're like,

28:39

I did not realize that something like

28:41

this was weighing down on me as an actual

28:43

person and I feel that weight

28:45

will leave. And I call that a

28:47

victory because games are meant to

28:49

give you something, a takeaway. They're

28:52

not just, oh, I had fun. You should

28:54

learn something and grow from all

28:56

gaming. And no matter how,

28:58

if it's combat centric, war centric,

29:00

social driven exploration, you

29:03

should take away something that has made you

29:05

slightly better in your own life. Even if you

29:07

don't realize it, a skill, a trick, a

29:09

thought, a 383, and then you

29:12

carry that with

29:12

you. Do you feel like because

29:14

you have that psychology background 383

29:18

you can zero in

29:20

on certain aspects of a player's

29:23

character. Like, you're like, I know why. Like,

29:25

this is showing up in the 383, and I

29:27

feel like I know why. And you can

29:30

I'm not saying, use it, like, against

29:32

them. But mean, like -- Mhmm. --

29:35

like, use it inherently to

29:37

tell the story.

29:39

I actually do quite often. I

29:41

take the time. The reason I do the like,

29:44

it's good to ask the how is your character feeling,

29:46

but I do it because I take it a step further.

29:48

I ask these questions and I note what

29:51

their emotions they're feeling. And actually note

29:53

how many times they're feeling angry, sad,

29:55

bothered, regret. Once I start getting

29:57

certain words that come up more often, I

30:00

start to realize that their character is sitting

30:02

in the feeling. And so then, I

30:04

will give them a scene that hits that.

30:07

I'll give them a a 383. I'll

30:09

give them a dream. I'll give them vision that either

30:12

highlights it, relieves it or something.

30:14

So that most times the players

30:16

don't even realize that they've been harboring on an

30:18

emotion and then they feel a

30:20

source of relief because it's been spoken

30:22

about. We hide our feelings so much so

30:24

often as, like, people and our characters kind

30:26

of do the same. We're like, oh, no. I'm a Paladin.

30:29

And then you find out that the Paladin just wants

30:31

to protect their family and because they

30:33

were the the 383 to the litter and they just wanted

30:35

to do

30:35

more. And then now their 383 is like,

30:38

they're 383.

30:38

They're like, oh, my character is feeling feelings. They're like, no,

30:40

I'm feeling feelings. Mhmm. So I like, I'm

30:43

like, yeah, there you go. We're good in somewhere,

30:45

and then they really get into their character,

30:47

and it's so beautiful. I have one player

30:49

who has been doing d and d for, like, several

30:52

years and played in one of my games. And

30:54

now I I love him dearly 383

30:56

message me every day. With, like,

30:58

multiple paragraphs about his character. He's, like, okay. So I

31:00

was thinking my character would do this, this, this, and we'd wanna

31:02

do this, and feels this. What about his brother? What about his

31:04

this? And he he apologized, like, I'm sorry. I feel like

31:06

I'm bothering him, like, no, this is we've unlocked

31:08

something that now makes gaming

31:11

better for you. And so he carries that in every

31:13

game now and I'm like, that's why I

31:15

know. That's why I do this. Because people

31:17

unlock

31:18

their hearts and their minds and connect

31:21

them that carries on for

31:23

the rest of their life. Why

31:25

why do you think 383, what is it about

31:27

our characters that make we want

31:30

to talk about all the time? Like, that's, like,

31:32

a joke, a stereotype like

31:34

ask me about my character and

31:37

it's true though. You you

31:39

open before we even 383 recording by

31:41

saying, you are you are not comfortable

31:44

always, you know, talking about yourself. You

31:46

can talk about your work and the things that you

31:48

do. You know, and obviously

31:50

very prolifically, but why

31:52

why do and a lot of people feel that way. They don't 383 talk

31:55

about themselves. 383 ask me

31:57

about my 383, and I will I

31:59

will talk to you

32:00

endlessly. So what is that

32:02

all about? 383 is

32:04

what I believe is almost like a masking

32:07

thing and a safeguard. You take

32:09

a several degrees of separation, like,

32:11

if there is part of me that is like,

32:13

383 sneaky and I'm like cool. I love playing

32:16

roams, and this rogue feels this, or

32:18

this rogue has like, grew up

32:20

with a single parent. So, like, 383

32:22

most of my characters have both 383, and

32:24

I make the joke 383, like, I have no reason to be an

32:26

adventurer. My family's great. Like, I'll make

32:28

a road with both parents, multiple siblings, great

32:31

life, and he's like, Yeah. I'm real edgy. And they're

32:33

like, why and meets the family, and they're very like, yeah,

32:35

we're doing flower crowns. I'm wearing our craft comps.

32:37

I live in the shadows. And it's actually

32:39

for me, it's an emulation of the fact that I grew

32:41

up in disenfranchised neighborhoods

32:45

with single mother and all those

32:47

383. So I talk about it, in a different

32:49

way from my 383 so I can then

32:52

compensate for the emotions a 383. And you start

32:55

to, like, either the character is at hyperbole

32:57

of your feelings. Or like an 383

33:00

almost like, oh, I have a character

33:02

that's a single has a single 383, but

33:04

they're a hero, or have a character with both

33:06

parents and they're feel feeling a little sad about

33:08

it. And so, like, they're taking bits of your

33:10

feelings and you put them somewhere. So you

33:12

could because we wanna talk about our feelings. 383

33:14

we don't want other people to know we're talking

33:16

about our feelings. Yeah. So our characters are

33:19

an extension of that. So we like,

33:21

if somebody judges us, we go like, oh, they just don't

33:23

like my character. It's K? So that you never

33:25

feel judged

33:26

personally. It's that removal.

33:28

Right? It's kind of some of the reasons why

33:30

people players find it

33:32

more possible to experiment

33:35

with identities and things like that because there is

33:37

this layer of 383 not really

33:40

me.

33:40

383 it is really me. 383

33:42

it is so That's that's And

33:43

they might not even hurt 383 game. Yeah.

33:45

Yeah. Actually, I have a bunch

33:47

of players who like have expressed

33:50

their, like, gender identity and their characters to

33:52

see how it feels and then they 383 the game and they're

33:54

like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go buy this

33:56

down. I'm like, Yeah. I I saw that as

33:58

you were trying it 383. Like, we have someone in

34:00

the game who 383. They're like, I'm this dad.

34:03

And they're like, oh, no. I think I'm more like this. And

34:05

then by the end, they're like, yeah, I'm this. And then the

34:07

game ends. And they're like, hey, everyone. By the

34:09

way, this is my pronouns now and I'm like,

34:11

well, to see it. Because they Okay. We're just testing

34:13

it and feeling it out. Because again,

34:15

they're talking about their feelings in a way

34:17

that if someone judges it, they're like, they're not talking

34:19

about me. They're talking about my character and my character's

34:22

gender identity. Not mine. And then they're

34:24

like, they feel comfortable enough for their

34:26

character and that confidence then

34:28

kind of bleeds into themselves.

34:30

That's so interesting too because of what you mentioned

34:32

earlier about the little stories that we have with

34:34

everybody we interact with, we all

34:36

are masking in every interaction.

34:39

Right? We're showing we're choosing maybe

34:41

not consciously,

34:43

but we're choosing how we're presenting ourselves

34:46

in every conversation we have with another person.

34:49

And, yeah, this is a way to do that,

34:51

right, to do that in a in a in a more controlled environment

34:53

with your friends. And it's

34:56

great to see it from from 383? Is

34:58

it great to see it from kids also as they're realizing

35:00

that they can experiment with themselves?

35:02

And it's a different and

35:05

it's okay to be different and and and that permission

35:07

-- Mhmm. -- do so. So

35:09

a lot of all these concepts that we've been talking about,

35:12

I feel like our perfect

35:15

course examples for

35:17

this 383 university, 383 TTRPG

35:20

university that you and your partner are working

35:23

on. Talk a little bit about that. So,

35:26

primarily, my girlfriend, Beth DeBard,

35:28

who has been a professional blogger for

35:31

quite some time, and She actually

35:33

is a therapeutic dungeon master. So she

35:35

works with kids, particularly kids

35:37

with neuro divergencies across

35:39

the 383. To work with them.

35:41

And TTRBT University is because

35:43

both she and I have ADHD, but

35:46

we have two different, like, expressions

35:48

of it. And so like mine is a lot

35:50

more energy driven and

35:53

logic centric. So I have I actually have trouble

35:55

connecting with my own emotions 383, so I have

35:57

to slow down. And she is much

35:59

more in tune with her emotions. And so

36:01

hers exhibits in those regressive

36:04

ways. And it's a beautiful combination between us.

36:06

But we realized 383, like, information's hard

36:08

to gather. Like, the books are hard to read

36:11

and understanding it. And if you don't have

36:13

a mechanically driven brain, it's

36:15

hard to go through. So, TTRB. 383

36:18

was a effort to take all of

36:20

her teaching on ADHD and

36:22

all these other factors to make

36:25

a blog that tailored to that. And then

36:27

on top of that, we had information about how

36:29

different games work, how to break them down,

36:31

and giving examples to make people have

36:33

correlation facts. So 383

36:36

now, we're working on putting in some courses,

36:38

which includes intro level to dungeon

36:40

383, which is primarily her focus. And

36:43

then professional 383 mastering which then includes

36:45

me as well as running actual plays

36:47

and publishing and writing adventures

36:49

and so on. So 383 based university

36:52

is expanding and growing with more stuff to just

36:54

educate people about things that are harder to

36:56

understand about gaming, particularly from

36:59

a female focus because of my girlfriend and

37:01

from, like, by pop focus as

37:03

a person of color to help people

37:05

know that there are options, information, and

37:08

resource to understand things

37:11

if you especially if you have trouble with comprehension.

37:14

So that's kinda what we're driving towards. And

37:16

this year, we're gonna adding a lot more after

37:18

we finish a few more

37:19

383. So this summer is gonna load up more stuff

37:21

into 383 University and

37:24

all of our awesome courses Now how do

37:26

how do the courses manifest? Are they videos

37:28

like Khan

37:29

Academy, or are they 383 only?

37:33

So with with Beth, she is

37:35

actually AAK commerce like

37:38

383, it is beautiful. So the way

37:41

I can't say specifically on all the details

37:43

because I'm not as great as she is at building 383,

37:45

but the way it works is you have

37:47

visual mediums through the video, power

37:50

points that help hold

37:52

the information, handouts, worksheets,

37:55

and 383 my understanding, each course

37:57

ends with a takeaway. By the end

37:59

of the course, you will be able to have something to

38:02

add to your quote unquote portfolio. If you're learning

38:04

how to GM, then you'll get at least one session

38:06

to practice If you're learning how to publish

38:08

a write, then you'll get something that will help you

38:10

develop. And then,

38:11

voila, you can put it up and will help you

38:13

go through the whole process. So the course isn't

38:15

just, oh, here's some information. It's no.

38:18

Here's how you can do it and

38:20

we'll walk you through the process. So

38:22

there's a videos, but also we have

38:24

private coaching on top of that. So while

38:26

you're doing the course is you can also have

38:28

Zoom calls and we'll have meetings to help

38:30

you get through your initial process

38:33

from a to b. And then if you want more,

38:35

you get the higher courses, and we'll just kind of

38:37

keep offering and working with you to

38:39

not just succeed and

38:41

survive, but to achieve and

38:43

thrive. Oh,

38:45

I

38:45

know. Right? That's

38:46

actually a really good tagline.

38:47

Know you said you didn't have a practice, but you didn't

38:50

see 383 was going on

38:51

there. All of the comfort. I'm not

38:53

relying.

38:54

Wow. Good good thing. This is recorded.

38:58

For plugging 383 you're gonna wanna write

39:00

that down. It

39:03

actually 383 there was something that showed you that I

39:05

383 talked

39:05

about, like, you know, years ago, from

39:07

wizards of doing a this type of

39:09

of of 383. I'd feel like you're

39:11

you're filling a niche that I think

39:13

-- Oh, sure. -- that 383, you know, 383

39:16

just dungeon masters, but players and

39:18

and people who are new to this hobby need.

39:21

Right? Because you get all 383 through word-of-mouth

39:24

or practice in playing a

39:25

lot, but some people don't learn

39:28

that way. Right? Some people learn

39:29

the way you're describing and or or or and your offer

39:31

in many different ways for for people of

39:33

neurodivergent things to

39:36

be able 383, like, block this information without

39:38

having to do it at the table. Which case 383

39:40

person for some people.

39:41

Right? They're like, oh, I don't want And they call you prepared. Yeah.

39:44

Of information. You could just 383 jump back whenever you're

39:46

like, oh, wait. Let me review. You have all your links.

39:48

Like, you got the course. You can always review

39:50

it. That's the other thing. Right? You

39:51

can just

39:51

go back and double check something if you're 383.

39:54

Or you're like me. You're like, just give me the handouts. I got

39:56

this. A

39:57

d and d player is very used to checking

39:59

the reference materials. Yes. We

40:02

like libraries. Uh-huh. Do you

40:04

when you said you for, like, the the

40:07

383 to DM course, you get one

40:09

session? Like, what is is it a

40:11

session, like, that you get to practice

40:13

your new skills

40:14

in? Or So the idea is we compound

40:16

on the understanding

40:19

that Beth offers for at least the intro and then the

40:21

383 kind of is you learn the basics on

40:23

like 383 it means to be a game master

40:26

storytelling devices, how some

40:28

mechanics work, and the very basics of just

40:30

understanding game and then you get

40:32

to take it further on how to do storytelling. And

40:34

so eventually 383 later levels,

40:37

you'll be able to actually have we'll build you

40:39

on how to run a sessions. You learn the adventure

40:41

module, how to break it down. And then

40:43

383 some point, we have our our Barthouse

40:45

community where we have like, hey, we have

40:47

people who are also learning. If you wanna practice

40:49

as a GM, we have players and forever

40:52

GMs. We're more than

40:53

willing to just be like, yeah, here. 383 do you

40:55

need? And if you want critiques, though some of

40:57

them are professional GMs and some of them are

40:59

not professional, but they're like add GM

41:01

for my friends for like twenty years. What do you need?

41:03

I'll help you out. So it's a fostering

41:05

community of everyone at different stages

41:07

of their potential and all willing

41:09

to work with one another. So by the end of it,

41:11

you're in a community full of people who are like, hey,

41:14

we've got artists, we've got cartographers, we've

41:16

got writers, editors, mechanical designers,

41:18

players, 383, and they'll

41:20

all work with you on whatever aspect to

41:22

help foster your potential

41:24

to grow and establish a larger

41:27

thriving inclusive community. 383

41:30

great. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that

41:32

the two of you are coming

41:34

from areas that may

41:37

not have been the stereotypical DND

41:39

player from nineteen seventy two.

41:41

Mhmm. And so

41:44

I showing these resources

41:46

as well as what it's like

41:48

to be in a marginalized community within

41:51

the the TT RPG community. I

41:53

mean, that means a lot and people get to learn and

41:55

it makes just so much more welcoming for everyone,

41:57

as you said, to to to wanna jump

41:59

in. That's a big deal because, like, I

42:01

grew up not even really knowing about

42:03

TTRPGs and when it was introduced to

42:05

me, I did grow up in, like, a

42:08

383 Lake area. So, like,

42:11

we weren't allowed to even have those because

42:13

they weren't anywhere around, and it was

42:15

only tailored for a very specific

42:17

demographic, which was at the time mostly

42:20

white men. And then as they try to expand, maybe

42:22

the occasional white woman, but

42:24

people of color just weren't like included

42:27

in those spaces. And then over time,

42:29

when I got into it, I think my TDRPG

42:31

introduction was actually my

42:34

law professor during college

42:36

was like, hey, we're gonna have a gamer's guild.

42:38

I'm gonna introduce you to all these alternative

42:40

things. And me, my friends have been playing TTRPGs.

42:43

We always do the what if. We watch an amazing. We're

42:45

like, oh, what if I was a super saiyan and you

42:47

were a ninja? How would we fight? And we would do

42:49

that anyway? But then he gave us their books.

42:52

We're like, oh, we can we can have rules

42:54

that make that we can reference. And

42:56

so, like, it was great for me to have

42:58

that, but a lot of people don't have the

43:00

resources or the wherewithal to know

43:03

what to do or where to go, particularly since

43:05

even now the community is growing, but it

43:07

still doesn't include a lot of people

43:09

of color, and that's just because it doesn't

43:12

broadcasted in a way that reaches

43:14

out to people like

43:14

me. 383 We're

43:17

working on that. Yeah. I mean, certainly, things

43:19

have improved, but I there's more

43:21

work to be done. And and my question here is now,

43:23

what what advice you would give for

43:25

people who are want

43:29

to be more welcoming to

43:32

buy back as well as women at the table.

43:34

Like, what's 383 the

43:37

way to to make that as feel inclusive

43:39

as

43:39

possible? So that's always like a

43:41

hard question because it it it depends

43:43

on who you are, what you're doing, but I think

43:46

383 always it's less about trying to just

43:48

be inclusive and more about giving

43:51

the stage. There's one thing about

43:53

saying, oh, I see a person of color. Let me invite

43:55

them over. It's Don't just try to invite

43:57

people who aren't normally in the circle.

44:00

It's give them the space to

44:02

thrive. If you have a platform, give

44:04

them the chance to show it off, seek

44:07

for writers, seek for artists,

44:09

seek them out, and don't settle

44:12

with who's in your circle. Like,

44:14

I always tell people, like, if you look around

44:16

you and you see people who look

44:18

like you, you might be making a mistake

44:20

because you need to expand to people who

44:22

don't look like you. And

44:24

reach out and open opportunities. And

44:27

for some people who have a platform that means

44:29

putting extra money into 383, or

44:31

putting extra effort to say, hey,

44:34

if you are a white man,

44:37

don't apply. We don't need

44:39

that right now in this space. And

44:42

if you see an opportunity for someone, show

44:44

them off. Like, if you see a 383, who

44:46

is doing really good, but they're not getting broadcast.

44:50

Don't retweet all the other people who you see in the

44:52

circles, show them off the person

44:54

who doesn't get seen. Because if you retweet nine

44:56

people, only one of them's person 383 color,

44:58

they still won't get seen. It's

45:00

really about signal boosting at the end of

45:02

the day. It's like show them off, 383

45:04

also you have to not you have to actively

45:07

not show off people who are already

45:09

being shown off. And that's a challenge

45:12

honestly for a lot of people because they're creatures

45:14

of habit and we see the same type

45:16

of people over and over. So 383

45:18

is a very conscious effort that has

45:20

to be done and people are doing 383.

45:23

When we have black history month, it's great, but always tell

45:25

people black history month 383 not the only

45:27

month that black people exist. So

45:29

kinda like, keep doing 383. Keep

45:31

reminding yourself that they exist

45:33

signal 383 and quiet everything

45:35

else. Take a I felt people take a day. They'll

45:37

just only retweet people

45:40

of color. Don't retweet anyone else.

45:42

And then maybe this day 383 on that so

45:44

they can finally be seen on that day

45:46

and things. And it's like a big effort

45:49

that takes. But like, when it happens,

45:51

you can see it. Your feed suddenly has it

45:53

all over Instagram and 383. You start seeing

45:55

more of their stuff for a while and that's all

45:57

we need is to be seen as well

45:59

as heard.

46:00

Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean,

46:02

that works on the in the social media sphere.

46:06

383 it also works at the table. Right? Like being able

46:08

to make sure that that spotlight

46:10

is shared amongst everyone

46:12

at the table and that's not

46:14

always easy to do as a as a gender master.

46:17

It's not. It definitely does take

46:19

a challenge, and I think that's why I

46:21

always tell myself if I have multiple sessions

46:24

and I have a chance 383, one

46:26

to two players, they get a spotlight for that

46:29

session and I refuse to change

46:31

that. If I have five players and

46:33

have six sessions, each player is getting a

46:35

dedicated session to focus on.

46:37

Mhmm. And I will make sure every other player

46:40

doesn't overstep that so that

46:42

person who's maybe soft spoken has

46:44

a moment to connect with their character. If you only

46:46

have a one shot, you could still do the same. Like,

46:48

using scenes are really powerful. Like, this

46:51

scene is for this character. And if someone

46:53

else tries to interject, that's when you have

46:55

to be that 383 be like, we'll get to your

46:57

383. This is their time because that's

47:00

a skill that really needs to be worked on. It's

47:02

like, this is for this person

47:04

so that they can feel acknowledged

47:07

383 way, they can feel like they're not just

47:09

part of a table, that they have worth

47:12

and value with the team.

47:15

I laugh only because I do that with

47:17

my kids now. I mean, I have two daughters

47:19

and and my wife 383. Well, sometimes 383 the

47:21

end of the day, it's the three of them talking

47:23

at me

47:24

I'm, like, okay. No. It's now this is your

47:26

turn and it's, like, I do that sharing of spotlight

47:28

thing. I am four kids and

47:31

Beth. So, like, yeah. And they

47:33

all like to say words at the exact same time.

47:35

Oh, wow. 383. Take a number.

47:37

You what you have my dedicated someone was like,

47:39

I'm like, no, not you. You're the oldest quiet real

47:41

quick. You? Okay. Next

47:43

one. 383. Next

47:45

one.

47:46

It's like, get them in an initiative order, and

47:48

then they can 383. We

47:49

actually do that sometimes. But they can, like, really

47:51

hectic. We're, like, grab your dice a full initiative.

47:53

383 a great idea. I'm gonna totally do that at

47:55

the 383 table and be, like, alright. I am too.

47:57

Yeah. I We have had the world persuasion

48:00

383, and they're like, can we do this? We're like, role

48:02

persuasion.

48:02

Oh, wow. I'm gonna

48:03

give you disadvantage because I do not want

48:06

a dog. Or

48:08

if you haven't been doing your

48:09

chores, disadvantage, It's been doing really

48:11

good. Okay. You don't get

48:12

advantage because you've been doing this really well

48:14

and so on. 383 why I feel like you're using your

48:16

psychology to be lawful

48:18

evil.

48:19

Blasted. It's

48:20

not it's the dice. It's not you. Does

48:22

that mean you? 383 set up the rules.

48:25

I just set up the rules. I

48:25

just You have 383 plan.

48:27

Go ask

48:27

your mom, it's go go get you

48:29

guys. Go get you guys. That

48:32

can't be the definition of lovely people. I'm 383 saying.

48:35

383 fine.

48:36

It's the laws. The laws are The

48:38

law of Orangey. Well,

48:43

you use these skills in in

48:45

a professional way as you said, but I'd love to

48:48

talk about d and d and a cast that's coming out.

48:50

It's such a fantastic thing. We've loved

48:52

383. We've had the the creators that as well as tons

48:54

of people who

48:56

383 for this. So, yeah, are you

48:58

383? And

48:58

are you bringing the crown? You're obviously not 383

49:01

the crown. I'm bringing the crown. When they when they

49:03

formally invited me, I was like, finally,

49:06

The castle is calling the

49:07

king. 383 is coming

49:08

home.

49:09

Oh, yes. I was like, may I have my throne dusted,

49:12

please? There will be a coronation at this

49:14

time. No. I'm actually super

49:16

excited about it. I do have

49:18

make sure I give credit to Beth for even

49:20

making the opportunity available because last

49:22

year Beth was the one that got invited.

49:25

Mhmm. And, you know, as a woman

49:27

going 383 overseas, she was like,

49:29

I can't go without my partner. So they

49:32

were, like, yes, you can bring your partner I went

49:34

with. And I volunteered, but I

49:36

also have the charisma of a

49:38

bard with a natural twentieth and

49:40

everything. So I was just doing all the

49:42

work, talking to all the people, and, like,

49:44

just talking to people. And

49:47

eventually, they were, like, hey, Beth, we like

49:49

you to come back and Jaden can come 383. And

49:51

I was like, oh, cool. I'll be ready to GM and

49:53

they were like, oh, GM. Give us

49:55

a 383. And they were like, they went through the process,

49:57

and they were like, 383, you are approved to

49:59

have a table. I was like, oh, wait.

50:02

Let's do it. I was like, thank you, Beth.

50:05

And then 383 my table set out,

50:07

I think it I got, like, four

50:09

out of my six 383 sold in, like,

50:12

less than a couple weeks. And 383 there's two

50:14

seats left for those listening. In

50:17

July, it's just like so out.

50:19

So you've got 383. So if you wanna get a

50:21

seat at my table, I will be actually

50:23

running my personal homebrew setting

50:26

of deep breath at the castle --

50:28

Yeah. -- which is

50:29

my d

50:30

twenty modern approach where it just takes

50:32

d and d and says, put it in an urban

50:34

environment. I was 383 to

50:37

ask you about this because

50:40

I played d twenty Modern only one time

50:42

in my entire life, but

50:44

I loved it. And I always fondly

50:47

think about that. I think it's so cool

50:49

to just have like actual fantasy

50:53

in with your modern day world

50:55

to actually be like who I just

50:57

am but

50:58

magical. That's my dream. That's

51:00

all it is. It is so delightful.

51:02

Like,

51:02

you see 383 on? Flipping tables and

51:05

throwing drinks I could lemitate the

51:07

table. I don't have to flip it. 383

51:10

have to love to meet her.

51:12

And, like, I have loved

51:14

it so much because, like, when I really started doing

51:16

it, I'm not a huge fan of classic

51:19

fantasy because medieval fantasy is

51:21

typically built in Europe. And

51:24

I'm not European. I'm I

51:26

am black for those I don't know. And

51:28

so, like, I felt a disconnect.

51:31

I grew up in urban 383. I grew

51:33

up in the ghetto. I grew up in Miss. I

51:35

grew up connecting to stories that included

51:37

people like me and I wasn't ever

51:39

like, I never really got to see black people as 383

51:42

or as paladins and

51:44

all these things. I saw us going

51:46

down the 383, doing music,

51:49

playing guitar, going to Starbucks

51:52

and other parts of neighborhoods that weren't

51:54

so enjoyable, but those connected

51:57

to me. So deep breath emulates that

51:59

and says, what if magic was also

52:01

there? What if all of those clubs that

52:04

were shady at night were because they were owned

52:06

by vampires, and what if those biker

52:08

gangs that were real tough and hairy were technically

52:10

werewolves hiding their nature? What if

52:13

those people who love swimming were

52:15

also connected to mermaids. And

52:17

what if you were magical in

52:19

your own 383? And like in an urban

52:21

environment 383 it blends my favorite things

52:23

about like anime to make it possible

52:26

while having the influence of like 383 the spider

52:28

verse and all my favorite like hip hop

52:30

383 and the vibes they create to

52:33

channel the truth of our

52:34

world, but magically. As

52:37

you were saying all those things, I was imagining

52:39

all those locations in Seattle as,

52:42

like, oh, yeah. Nope. I could totally see

52:43

that. Totally

52:45

owned by a vampire. Oh,

52:47

yeah. And it's like we were having so much fun

52:49

building so many mechanics like classes

52:51

and sub classes that inspire those

52:54

a wizard that works with mechanics

52:56

and warlock that uses the 383,

52:58

a sorcerer that literally can change their

53:01

persona based on what part of the

53:03

383 they use and --

53:04

Mhmm. -- snipers,

53:06

383. Technology too.

53:08

yeah. We ran 383 and magic

53:10

exists. This is

53:11

Exactly.

53:11

383 is a magical series

53:14

of tubes. So And actually, 383

53:16

kind of is in the setting. It's basically everything

53:18

explained by magic. Like, your phone, you just class

53:20

sending or scribe if you wanna do

53:22

a video call and it's all those things are all magically

53:25

described. So every app is just a magical spell

53:27

that's built into your device. 383. I know.

53:30

Okay. 383. Is it is it

53:32

islands? Like, does everybody know magic

53:34

exists in this

53:35

world? Or is it, like, only a certain

53:37

It is not wild widely known. The way

53:39

it's built is that the world is normal

53:41

like we know it and inside

53:43

our world is where magic is, and so 383 kind of

53:45

similar like for those that know Boston or

53:48

Grim series or even bleach,

53:50

where we are living a normal life and

53:52

magic exists right next

53:54

to us but you need to be able to have magic

53:56

in you to see it. And so moments

53:58

when you feel like a sudden earthquake and you're like, oh, is that

54:00

an earthquake? No. It's actually a dragon that just crash

54:03

landed somewhere. 383 you can't see that. Until

54:05

these things that you don't realize that are happening

54:07

are explained by magic. And even nuclear

54:10

energy is someone has found a way to condense

54:12

magic into a form that is

54:14

normal people can see and now nuclear energy

54:17

happens and

54:17

voila. Oh, 383 and so forth. I

54:19

thought it was 383

54:21

demon. That's what nuclear is

54:23

in mind. 383 actually is a there's a harnessed demon

54:25

for other things. Welcome to the bad part of

54:27

the 383. That's what we keep it.

54:29

Oh, it's unfortunate. 383.

54:32

It's 383. It's

54:35

a special circle, you know. That sounds awesome.

54:38

And if anybody who

54:40

is looking for a wonderful

54:42

weekend in Lumberly Castle in

54:44

July of twenty twenty

54:45

three, get those last two seats. Those

54:47

are super fun. wanna do it. It is

54:49

going to be amazing. Especially if you're a fan of

54:51

anime on this adventure is deeply inspired

54:54

with elements from, like, full metal alchemist,

54:57

a bit of dragon ball. There's

54:59

blueectresses and Mihir academia are

55:02

all layered on top of this. While

55:04

blending the nature of, you know, downtown

55:06

dragons is what we end up calling it for the time

55:08

being

55:08

because, you know, 383, nah,

55:11

downtown. Downtown. Right.

55:13

Is this is this what you're running on

55:15

start playing or one of the campaigns or is that different?

55:17

But it's my it's actually my primary campaign is

55:19

383 Dragons, and then I occasionally run special

55:21

events for different games. 383 dragons

55:23

is my main focus.

55:26

I've had one party that ended up going forward in

55:28

time on accident, and they found the city in ruins.

55:30

And another party They are currently

55:32

trying to find the seven deadly sins who

55:34

are just masquerading as people across the

55:36

city. That's cool. Yeah. They

55:38

actually just finished dealing with

55:41

the sin of war or the

55:43

a horseman of war from the horseman

55:45

apocalypse who was hiding at a

55:48

gaming 383 for people playing weave

55:50

the traveler, not to be confused with magic the gathering.

55:52

Yeah. He was using that conflict of that

55:54

and battle tops, which are just spinning 383, and

55:57

used that conflict to channel their

55:59

magic and the players had a fight as

56:03

basically planeswalkers fighting against

56:05

it. At a normal convention where they had normal

56:07

security cameras and all

56:08

that, but the magic was suffused in

56:11

the everyday activity. Being

56:13

able to combine all those Hasbro properties

56:15

into one. It's 383

56:17

a special magic there with

56:19

Baylade and gathering. Colorful

56:22

383 get some game running through.

56:24

The creepy babies from

56:27

what's the name? The the title? For

56:29

real friends. Yeah. Yeah. We're getting

56:31

there also. Some transformers in there.

56:33

I used that model for this kind of a month

56:35

that transjunted vehicles. Got

56:37

you.

56:37

Obviously, it didn't disguise. This

56:40

all sounds so exciting. There

56:42

are a lot of things that people

56:44

listening can, you know, find

56:47

out about, you know, from the 383 you're

56:49

you're playing to all of the

56:51

things. Where what's the best place to to send people

56:53

to kinda learn more about what you're doing? For

56:56

all things, you should head over to Aidan

56:58

King on every social media that's Instagram,

57:00

Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, AOL,

57:03

If you have a messaging owl, I've trained them

57:05

all to find me, and it's Jaden King. Mhmm. I have

57:07

also trained smoke to find me. So you could just

57:09

go to get Jaden King on smoke signals, and

57:11

you could reach me there. 383

57:13

in the meantime, at least until

57:16

I think ten minute based on whenever this happens,

57:18

the Kickstarter for daughter Frank Fine is

57:20

going on until March twenty

57:22

third, so it it will literally

57:25

be close to we funded and we're doing stretch

57:27

goals and it is amazing adventure inspired

57:29

by Mary Shailies Frankenstein

57:31

383 it's a opera

57:34

of 383 mystery and a cult

57:36

happenings 383 the legacy of 383

57:39

Frankenstein and his doctors.

57:42

Love it. Love it. Love it. That's awesome. Yeah.

57:45

This this episode will be out

57:48

that day. So hopefully, people can

57:50

run to it and get it

57:51

going. And that's when it would

57:53

be ending that day. So, like, frankenstein

57:55

five e dot com. It is a beautiful

57:57

Kickstarter. Beth has done all the art graphics

58:00

for it to make it so enjoyable. And I've

58:02

been working tirelessly to make this three

58:04

383 adventure that is narratively written

58:06

as opposed to mechanically driven. So

58:08

it's more about telling the story rather

58:10

than making sure the mechanics are

58:12

so suffused everywhere. So it really

58:14

lets you take control of this

58:16

dark opera as you join the twisted

58:18

tragedy of a darkened legacy.

58:22

383 out to bat.

58:23

Write that down too.

58:25

That was amazing.

58:26

Mhmm. Write that one down too. That's really

58:28

good. 383 really good. Awesome.

58:31

Well, I feel like there's so much more to delve

58:33

into. I I mean, you mentioned the the ADHD

58:35

thing. That's something that's that's top of my mind

58:37

a lot for for my daughter and I

58:40

as we're thinking about things.

58:42

So we'd love to, you know, have you

58:44

back on, talk even more about this because,

58:46

383, there is so much to

58:48

unlock in your

58:49

brain. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We

58:51

me and Beth are working on making sure that everything

58:53

is not just inclusive, but it's comfortable.

58:55

Like I said, I think we're tired of making

58:57

everything about trying to survive, and we

58:59

want everybody to learn how to

59:01

thrive. About 383.

59:03

Well, that sounds great. We should have you both back

59:05

to talk about that. Yeah. We're down.

59:08

Yay. Well, also Thanks

59:10

so much, 383, and you're the best. Thank you so much.

59:13

And 383 a wonderful 383? I

59:16

feel like we all

59:18

got inspiration from the

59:20

Dungeonmaster, that is the king.

59:22

I agree a lovely

59:25

wonderful conversation.

59:27

Yeah. There's so much there. It's one of those

59:29

inspiring conversations about people who love DND

59:31

and love to play it. Volume

59:34

383.

59:38

383 it on the list. Yeah. Certainly

59:40

check out all the fun things they are doing

59:42

with their partner and,

59:44

you know, DND and Castle. It's

59:47

many people's dreams. Check it

59:49

out. It's super fun. And Lumley

59:51

Castle looks beautiful. In

59:54

July?

59:56

I know. I mean, it looks beautiful kind

59:58

of 383, but July seems

1:00:00

like a really nice time to

1:00:01

go. To the UK. Right. We're selling

1:00:03

we're selling those two spots that are left there really

1:00:05

hard. Make it happen if -- Great. -- they don't get

1:00:08

sold by the time this is

1:00:09

383. We're gonna mine us. We're just gonna

1:00:11

snatch them up. We're gonna be like, nope. Where are we going?

1:00:14

383 true. We should let's make it happen. I

1:00:16

have to go to UK for a wedding later

1:00:19

on. This year. So

1:00:21

maybe -- Oh, really? -- to my own D and

1:00:23

D and the Castle. Yeah. With two D and D players

1:00:25

who are getting

1:00:25

married, very exciting.

1:00:27

Seriously, why aren't they getting married at

1:00:29

D and D and a castle? I think

1:00:32

because it's already expensive enough to do a wedding,

1:00:35

they could do in all in one

1:00:37

in one fell swoop. And they they're the one

1:00:40

of the the brides is a dungeon master.

1:00:42

So They may not be running their own DND

1:00:45

in a

1:00:45

castle.

1:00:45

How exciting?

1:00:47

I know. Me.

1:00:49

Yeah. Love it. So

1:00:51

if you wanna find out about everything that's going on

1:00:53

with 383 and dragons including the movie, everything

1:00:55

that's going on with D and D 383, you

1:00:58

should go to d and d beyond

1:01:00

dot com. That is our front page where everything

1:01:02

dudges and dragons, make 383 character, get

1:01:05

people in. There's lots of free resources as

1:01:07

well as digital versions of

1:01:09

all of the d and d books out there, but you knew

1:01:11

that already. And I

1:01:13

want it to be a

1:01:16

very exciting time for 383

1:01:18

and Dragons fans. We're gonna get so many people who

1:01:21

have been interested

1:01:23

in aware of Dunkin' 383 who really wanna

1:01:26

start playing it, I think 383 seeing that

1:01:28

movie as we

1:01:28

said. I agree. I

1:01:31

383 up.

1:01:31

Iced it up. You

1:01:33

can follow along anything that is happening

1:01:36

in the Dungeons Dragons world online at

1:01:39

the social handles, whether it's underscore DND.

1:01:42

And you can find me at

1:01:44

Greg Tito on Twitter, Greg

1:01:47

underscore Tito on Instagram, I'm

1:01:49

also somewhat active on Mastodon

1:01:52

383 lesser extent Hyve, so check those out

1:01:54

as a well. And what about

1:01:56

you? Shall I move? I am at

1:01:58

Shelly Moo on Twitter and Instagram, so

1:02:01

go ahead. And, you know, if you're there,

1:02:04

find me. And if you have any

1:02:06

tips an advice for playing

1:02:09

d and d with kids, I will always take

1:02:11

them because I love

1:02:14

it. And I don't want to

1:02:15

stop.

1:02:16

Awesome. Love those kids. Great. Love those

1:02:18

kids. They're so great. Yeah. Oh,

1:02:21

amazing. I actually got myself into

1:02:23

two separate fights. Than our last game.

1:02:25

Mhmm. Because what running combat for

1:02:27

just a group is not

1:02:29

hard enough? 383 of them

1:02:31

refused to get on the shipwreck. Or

1:02:34

383 in the robo and fought a heartbeat. And then

1:02:36

other two were like, we're going in to look for survivors,

1:02:38

and they fought a goal. So I was like, you

1:02:40

guys are out here doing this, and now you're in

1:02:42

here, and 383 was kind of awesome.

1:02:45

That's fine. I know. Yeah.

1:02:47

Then reminds me of the essay in our

1:02:50

book about real time

1:02:52

directing. Right?

1:02:54

Let's go back and forth. Yeah. Going

1:02:57

back and forth between those

1:02:58

two. Yeah. I think Kyle can

1:03:00

be doing a lot more

1:03:03

gracefully because a lot of him is like,

1:03:05

wait, who's 383? Where? Like,

1:03:07

they feel that they were all sit they were sitting next

1:03:09

to each other in their pair, so I could.

1:03:11

But my gosh. What as soon as, like, the heartbeat

1:03:14

came out, it's like, you hear music. It's so

1:03:16

amazing. It's the most beautiful sound you've ever

1:03:18

heard. The one guy was like,

1:03:20

Cover your ears.

1:03:22

Like, he knew. He knew. And

1:03:24

I was so proud of him.

1:03:26

383 great. Yeah. I'm 383 on that save.

1:03:29

It just goes to show. When

1:03:32

you're near the ocean, don't trust

1:03:34

singing women.

1:03:40

Orman. Really? Anything anything

1:03:42

that's going on with you? 383 gonna be bad

1:03:44

idea. You're an

1:03:45

ocean. Yeah. Ariel

1:03:48

talking to you. 383,

1:03:53

the crab. 383

1:03:56

the girl. that his name? It

1:03:57

was that was his name. Okay. Speaking

1:04:01

of singing 383 not

1:04:03

in an ocean level. The

1:04:06

383 two shoes crew is

1:04:09

walking down the street of the Radiant

1:04:12

383, you've got

1:04:14

383 recruiting your

1:04:17

383 team.

1:04:19

I'm so 383. You've got Samson, who's

1:04:21

a human fighter a Harper

1:04:23

who was fighting alongside you in

1:04:26

washer deep. He is there with you and then you've

1:04:28

got Jonathan a healer

1:04:31

You have Altia, a

1:04:34

383 dealer as well, and

1:04:37

an old woman who has a sword and

1:04:39

is ready to sweep in and

1:04:41

fight as much as you can. And then, of course, your

1:04:44

skills as both the face

1:04:47

and sourcerer You got

1:04:49

quite a team here. I am.

1:04:52

I can't believe I have my own adventureing party.

1:04:55

383 so gorgeous We are kind of

1:04:58

like the cast of the D and D

1:04:59

movie. It's gonna put that 383 there.

1:05:01

Very similar except all 383.

1:05:03

Right.

1:05:04

Which is beautiful.

1:05:06

Yes, it is. Also baby

1:05:08

cats, but we'll get to that when we

1:05:10

talk about what's in the DND movie later on

1:05:12

because we'd get to see some taxi in

1:05:14

it. Oh, my Yeah. Watch

1:05:16

it just for that if you want to. Oh,

1:05:18

god. That was me. Okay. Now you 383 now

1:05:20

you've I have to come back to

1:05:23

383. You brought me right back to that

1:05:24

moment, and I -- Okay. -- I do recall

1:05:27

the

1:05:27

reality. We're in a different mood.

1:05:29

Crying in the movie theater. Crying in laughing

1:05:31

at the movie, and all the fun. Okay. So,

1:05:33

yeah, you're walking back towards the

1:05:36

center where you had

1:05:38

met with the speakers in Schola.

1:05:41

And she had tasked you with finding these

1:05:44

383 agents to try to find where

1:05:48

your brother was sent and how to how

1:05:50

to find out what's going on with the 383 homeland.

1:05:53

And as

1:05:56

you 383 there, you see actually

1:05:58

some some children who are playing nearby.

1:06:01

They see your

1:06:03

crew walking and they

1:06:06

kind of are in middle of playing

1:06:09

a game with a ball and

1:06:11

but they stop and and

1:06:13

watch you go by

1:06:16

or or or 383 near them and then some of them

1:06:18

kind of get in front of you and be like,

1:06:20

hey, 383 are you doing?

1:06:22

What's

1:06:22

that? Who are these people?

1:06:24

383?

1:06:25

I've never seen so many of of

1:06:28

the cat folk in one place. Yes.

1:06:31

We we have found each other. We're

1:06:33

on a mission. What's your mission?

1:06:36

383 stuff. Are

1:06:37

you gonna chase his ball and he throws

1:06:40

it? We're not dogs.

1:06:42

Down the alley.

1:06:46

He laughs. You're funny.

1:06:49

Thanks. Gotta go.

1:06:52

Alright. Say hi to your

1:06:54

other cat people. Will this?

1:06:57

can't believe that we just saw them. They're so

1:06:58

cool. Oh, wait. You think we're

1:07:00

cool?

1:07:01

The other one says, maybe? Yeah.

1:07:05

I reach into my

1:07:07

pocket and I pull out some

1:07:11

tender gittles. And

1:07:15

I'm like, here, that's for you. And

1:07:17

I I toss some 383

1:07:20

cat treats over to him.

1:07:22

Okay. And he catches it and he said,

1:07:26

sounds good. Where'd you get this? My

1:07:28

mom said not to trust strangers

1:07:31

giving me food after I ate

1:07:33

that spoiled piece

1:07:36

of bread the other day and and I

1:07:39

had to I had to wad up some

1:07:41

-- Awesome.

1:07:46

And the kid just starts oversharing so

1:07:50

much.

1:07:51

Yeah. 383 between

1:07:53

you and your litter box. So

1:07:55

Make me a a 383

1:07:58

check. Oh,

1:07:59

damn, you're correct. You

1:08:01

can't do this to me.

1:08:04

383. Twelve. Alright. You feel a little

1:08:06

bit oh, okay. Yeah.

1:08:08

You don't feel so good about what he's saying.

1:08:10

Okay. I you know 383? Good

1:08:13

advice from your mom. So

1:08:17

I'll toss him a little ball of yarn instead.

1:08:19

Here, play with this. Jesus.

1:08:22

I'm not a cat. Well, I

1:08:24

gotta go. Alright.

1:08:26

Something to remember

1:08:27

us. Bye. I'll remember. And

1:08:30

then he waves and their other

1:08:32

little kids kind of know, he's like the leader. They're

1:08:34

all kinda waving along with you and

1:08:36

saying, bye. Have fun storming the castle.

1:08:39

The 383 all He

1:08:42

goes, sounds like

1:08:45

a joke my dad would make.

1:08:47

Yeah. Your dad sounds cool. Wow.

1:08:51

Yeah. He'll

1:08:55

be at drug institutions later. We're

1:08:59

cool, you guys. We're cool.

1:09:02

Oh, that is that's nice. Yeah. I don't always

1:09:04

get that reaction. It says Samsung. Yeah.

1:09:07

383. He's not a tibaxi. Right? He's not.

1:09:09

He's right. Okay.

1:09:12

So listen to the crystal or something.

1:09:14

383. Right?

1:09:16

383. We'll pick it up next time with you guys going

1:09:18

to talk to Shauna. Good

1:09:20

383 soon. Thank