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Uh? This I would like to say, is I guess

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not? I guess I'm sure quite

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possibly. Uh this is one

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of the specialist episodes.

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I don't know specialist. It's not a word,

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not the way I used it. Um

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when we die second, deteriorate

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and put it together and take a part and

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put together album album

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that in a lot of ways, you

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know, I wouldn't be here, A lot of people

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sitting at this table wouldn't be

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here. This show probably wouldn't exist.

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Um that that legal marijuana

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that's standing in front you might

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not exist. Uh,

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you know once of this beautiful things

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that we got going on, whenn't is this for

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this album? But putting

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this album together with a lot of people don't know

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was it was a lot of kinks. It was

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a lot of things behind the scenes,

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a lot of things in front to see

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means. So when I thought about

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it, I said, wow, this we're coming up. I

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wanted to invite people, not only the artists,

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because a lot of times when something is great,

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people always credit the artists and

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they don't understand that people that's behind, Who's

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who's helping booking these sessions, who's

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calling these producers, who's putting

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it together, who's cutting the check? Pick up Edward

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Holmes, I don't know why I just thought of happen. Don't

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know how to think of the counting.

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I'm a foul guy. I don't know why it's just crossing me.

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But but you don't everyone marketing

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to retail. You don't know how good

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this is until

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you don't have it. You know. I can't

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remember working in this record

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label that I'm about the you know, introduce and it was

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like twelve workers, and

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I've you know, I remember getting things done.

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I remember going to label after that with

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three thousand workers, and the market

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of the New Warkmer booked me to the same town as

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the retail department, and

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and then the raidar of department book at

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the same time, and I was like, don't you motherfucker's

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cap on the came I realized no, they don't.

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So being on this little boutique label meant

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something. So

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in case you don't know what I'm doing

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right now, what we're doing is we're not

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only introducing the War Report, people

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who signed it, to people who put it together, the people

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who you know was there when the group first got

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fromm and the people who did it. But we're

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gonna uh show some love to that

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album. So in case you don't know who we talked about

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right now, to my right, to my left, we got

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made him motherfucking in the build

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that makes me, Greg

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Taylor, Greg

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Taylor, made him good, damn it, uh Martin

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motherfucking more.

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We got the motherfucking guy

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that put it all together and made it all

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happen, Neil motherfucker. Then

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we got Geno Sims I think was

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like the intern. He was like he was like the real Nick

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got the front desks and ship. You know, even

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from that said the big one, and

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then from that

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and then even before

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me and Poem actually got together, this

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was one guy who knew Capone and

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there was one guy who knew Norry and

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on on that level. Put

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it all together. In case you don't

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know, we talk about talking about tragedy, motherfucker's

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and the last but not least God

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did that. We shared a lot of marijuana and

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jail and we smoked

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Bible papers together. I'm not proud of this.

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It's just something that's happened. And

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now we are home together. I

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just had a daughter graduate college

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who well

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you know what I'm saying. So case you don't

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know Capone and Noriega

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not Compone, I'm gonna obviously start with you because

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this has been these famous stories of how we met

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and what we met because really,

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really what what was our first plans

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when we first met each other in jail?

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Well, I really first plans was

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basketball? Like it was it was. It

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was basically like, Yo, how can I get you to my

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side of my jail to play basketball

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with me? Because you're nice, but your side

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of the jail got no players, but y'all want the

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championship because you was on

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the team. I pick up Sherman the world

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like it was. It was intricate, possible because

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he was like your mimi. He was like your mommi because

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yeah, yeah, let's give

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it up. Alo was

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my novel. It wasn't for then too.

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We won't be together. And Billy Wade like church,

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church, church church when we met

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at church, and it was like all that was our

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past time. But we had

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to have a common ground where we could meet

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and that was the basketball call. So

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yes, side of the jail having to play my side of

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the jail. We had Kurt James who played

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with Magic Johnson. By the way, Kirk

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James was dopey, went Toto University of Michigan,

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went to the NBA, blew his knee out.

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It became correction

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office. So if that's what you want to call it. Hello,

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You guys didn't know each other before jail. This is this

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is where the first time. But

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I knew of him because the

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school that he got kicked out of, I got kicked out. I

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went to do that.

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It's terrible, but he got kicked out.

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I think you got kicked out,

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graduated graduate. When he left

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there, I went to one.

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And that's like the first time my encountered

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with Queen's Ridge period because although

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it wasn't Queen's Bridge, it was bliss.

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Yeah. So that's a seven train, seven train

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and then you actually see you guys projects.

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But I really didn't know I had. I had met somebody

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name l J. Yes, okay, so

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he was finishing. But like it's basically

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like, you know, what's crazy is that

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when you look at it, like, you know, our age,

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we've grown now and all that. But we was like

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neck and neck of life

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high school, the junior high school I went to, he

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went to after I graduate. The jail

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that I went to he went to after

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I left. I want to know. So we was writing neck

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and neck or meeting each other, but we

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didn't meet to Hall of Valley. We didn't get

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to that level. And then it was straight

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basketball. We never talked

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about music. It was straight basketball.

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And then I got him pulled to the college dome.

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He trying trying

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to floor, you

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know, but

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you know, I got my brother pulled to my house and

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shout out to shot is out

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there right now. He was with us there's a lot of people

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that I met in the fifteen six t

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old age bracket that we're still together.

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Now that's a but this is one of the

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things that made it. One of the brothers that made a difference.

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But you know, we got to basketball, and then

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the first time we met, he was like, you don't play no deal

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on me. I don't play no deal on you.

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We had had from

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then, you know, we got we got him pulled to my house,

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shout out to pans. You know, yeah,

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you know what I'm saying. He got he got a pull to the crib.

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And then from there was history. We never talked,

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music, was basketball, selling drugs. It was it.

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And that became my best friend in jail besides

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what is exactly but

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but okay, now coming home, No, no, that

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that's that's in jail. But coming home now

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we spend all time now coming home. You

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and compone knew each other prior to seeing

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each other upstate, Because when did y'all first seeing each

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other? Didn y'll see each other in Yorktown? Or

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where was y'all like, y'all, Now,

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I wasn't I wasn't short. I was

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doing one thing, and then he was

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in New York doing another and

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my man, Wonderful, Wonderful hooked

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us up together. I came to the studio and

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Tragic, Yeah, wonder formula,

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no no nomber league from Southside.

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Okay, okay, but he was like trash.

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It was like, you know what I'm

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not, I'm not really feeling that ship. Let's get the funk out

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of here. And we left by

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the way. Jam Mass and J was there, studio

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Jams and J Studio. We boog east

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in peace, rest in piece. We boogied on very

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carefully, and we became at

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that point because as I

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remember, y'all, y'all unless your

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daughter you walked in, that's my wife by

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because I was like, it was I know you, I

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know, I know, and

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these guys can attest to me because

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y'all was like the horny month on b First

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of all, no question,

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that's you know, I

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don't investigative reporter, right my

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lady I'm

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talking to but you

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know, yeah, we're not gonna let you slide like you wasn't.

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You didn't have to.

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Ye had

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the pocket. I used to hang out with book Rock. I had the pocket

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else, yes, nor

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know what I'm saying is so what

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was what was initially? Yeah,

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just be clear because just because you're from

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Queen's Bridge don't mean you get along. That's true, you

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know what I'm saying. And you from an enemy

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block almost right, you're from Vernon,

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y'all, from an enemy block according

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to his block, and you from

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an enemy block according to your block. M

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you're talking about the ship? What

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do you want to be great outside? But

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so what I'm saying this y'all, y'all the time, y'all

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link up? How does this? It was like, it was like

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this man um okay, I think

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it was wonderful. He's like, Yo, you don't know my man,

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you know? And I was like, now who that good one?

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So he was now who that? He was like, Yo, that's ky.

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I was like, because you know, it sounds a little

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a little younger than me. So I'm like,

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it's like a rose, sir, than anybody

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else wants from Champagne. What do you guys? You know

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you're like some champagne? Would you what would you like?

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You know? I heard you ain't drinking a long time today.

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There was

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four years ago, so so

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but I guess I think

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you stood me. I guess what was what

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was it like, Um, wasn't the fact that

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you know what I'm saying. Uh, it was the queen's weird thing

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or was it not? It was just we vibed like we vibed

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in Um that was a queen'st thing. Because if I

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don't know trash like I know trash queens

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Bridge, that I won't have went down. It wasn't a queensbridt

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thing for me. It was because I didn't know him. I

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knew a story of him. So

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when the story got put from me, I was like, oh,

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that's saying that's

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the number man. I mean at the time,

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whatever piece of the big, big, big

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big b the o G. Can't you do love

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him? Um? Yeah? So I was

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like, oh, I heard that story, that's

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what. Yeah. So

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I was like, I heard that story. I remember the

12:38

story, and I'm shooting the police. I didn't

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say that, but I just remember the story. I

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remember a specific story and

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this story that story.

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So when I heard that story, I was like, oh, wre

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that Sun. I'm looking at him like you know, look,

12:54

I mean he looked all you

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know, and me and him clicked up and

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m man just clicked up. Were is separable

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since then? And um, there's

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been a lot going on since then. Okay,

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so now boom, moving on to you. Now,

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how do you in tragedy even link

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up? Did you have a relationship

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or was that Martin Moore? Well, I actually

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knew Trash because you know, I promoted

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you know, his records because until round

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the little music that's been round the glow was really

13:25

popping, and you were signed. It

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was tough. Yeah, heaven,

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you know. So, so he had a deal. So

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we met and I was promoting and stuff. Then

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Martin brought the guys

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and he said, you know Trash. Yeah, he brought the

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guys in, brought you guys in. You know what

13:44

I'm saying. You guys had a relationship prior to that,

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yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, already

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been formed or not yet, just

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around the globe, round the globe, and

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Martin originally started working around the globe music.

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It was radio promotion. He

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was not a good plot

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listening to the old tag thing and when you cool,

14:06

I mean classic,

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classic, classic,

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and what was that college radio at the time. That's

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interesting, man, that's what so.

14:20

So okay, so Martin would

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be my radio promoter and someone would come in and

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be ready to you know, pay, you know,

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pay us to promote director Martin be like, it's

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okay, It's like at

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least he'sn't gonna work very tough. I

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said, I want to start up label, and when I

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do, I want to bring you in on

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that side. And you know, kicking strain.

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So Marty and I go back

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along. He has a tough Clen't you tell

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me my girls don't calm down? Good? I

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said, I'm I'm

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gonna try to go too fast to

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go back to that. So okay, I'm

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doing understand Now, how about you and

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Martin? Did you know him?

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I've seen Martin around, like, you know, we're

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in the same kind of we're in the same arena

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sort of speak. So I would see Martin around, but you

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know, Mark is quiet, and then I wasn't really

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too much of a social person in that way if I know

15:15

you, but I definitely remember seeing him, and

15:17

so when it made it easier to like kind

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of paulay a meeting with him and connect

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with him, you know what I'm saying, because he was always always

15:24

smooth and quiet. But it was it was

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good motion for us to line up and me to come

15:28

through and play the ship for him, and when I played it for him,

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he was feeling it, know what I'm saying, definitely feeling

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Okay. Now I made him same question almost

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did you have a relationship with Neil? How did how

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did this this happen? I meant Neil to

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Martin? Okay, So me and Martin

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did UH and Yu together. I

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used to listen to like you was in the cage radio.

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Now I noticed you say, Yeah, I

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STI listened to like all like the underground radio

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shows. And I used to listen to him when I

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was in high school. So when I got into

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n y U, I gave a tape

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and I said, Yo, you need a d J. I

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need to DJ. He was like, oh, world,

16:05

all right, listen to t is that you kind of right?

16:08

And then he brought me on and that we did the show together

16:10

and I didn't want you okay,

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And then I brought him on. He

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prought me on twice. Now,

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how did you get him just involved

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with this? Well, it's crazy because

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it was it was actually

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two ways, right, Okay. So I

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used to hustle with a guy by the name of

16:36

el nessl Nest

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my man. Yes, who's friends

16:42

with Jula? Yeah, yeah,

16:45

you know from my hood. But me and Alice the hustle

16:47

together and once to nine and

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he was like, Yo, I'm doing my thing in radio

16:55

boom boom, you know. And I was

16:57

like, yeah, I'm trying to get into music, but I want work

17:00

behind the scenes. So he was like, yo, you

17:02

come up, just you know, come up and figure out the day

17:05

to come up. So I was like, all right, cool. So then when I

17:07

went up, I started

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in and I went into Kylin Williams. I know Colin

17:11

Williams through Pete Rock and I was cool with

17:14

Pete and his brother grab from when I used to

17:16

try to get you know, wrap and get into music because

17:18

used to rap. Yeah, I heard about that. It

17:20

was good. It

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was it was to cowing. That was cowing

17:26

the m messing and you know wims

17:29

and started off with that and you

17:32

know, answer the phones ordering you

17:34

tuna, milks and all that. Pluck

17:37

you pluck you, suck you luck.

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You know the guy who did Animal Doug Onna pluck you. He

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owns pluck you right now. Yeah,

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the guy who did it, the guy did this kid you.

17:51

Oh yeah, he brought you and he was just

17:53

working at at the time. No, this

17:55

skit he's figuring out. He

17:58

figured out he was the first, like vibral not being

18:00

environed. We got to you just get

18:02

helped him buying. Yes, George,

18:07

that's the real right.

18:13

So because I look at Rockefeller,

18:15

right, and you got all these beautiful

18:18

stories, you say, all right, cool, but this all comes

18:20

from this one tree. When you got you know, airing

18:23

over here and all this, and I look at that penalty, I said,

18:25

wow, we got we had a lot of great people

18:27

who work that penalty. Did y'all know that

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this little boutique label was the magical label?

18:33

Did you know that? Now? Well, I knew we were doing

18:35

some special stuff and and

18:37

I just you know, you just felt the vibe. So yeah,

18:39

I knew something special was happening. Uh

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Did I know it would be sitting here twenty five years?

18:45

Uh? No? Who could have imagined that drinking

18:48

drink one rose

18:53

rose or I'm

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drinking the goal, give the

18:57

goal, given the goal, Keep drinking the rose Rose

19:00

tras you want to get some rolls? You know all of this getting

19:02

the rolls. Eg she

19:05

didn't want TV. We're gonna make I

19:07

don't know he wants the rose the rose with you? Brother?

19:09

Come on, let's go. You can probably do one.

19:12

It's okay, it's okay, whatever whatever you want.

19:14

Okay, So foom, Because

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wasn't the label before you moved on?

19:20

What's in it on twenty five street? That first street?

19:23

Yeah, that's that's where street

19:30

all the flowers used to be outside a lot of

19:32

comment, Oh

19:37

it's real, it's very really tracks

19:40

kind of going back like some

19:43

time to say one thing. So penalty started,

19:45

and you know, you know

19:48

really with round the Blow, it was really popping

19:50

in those days. So Martin was actually

19:52

the first person I brought over to the penalty.

19:55

So round the Blow it was on twenty eight

19:57

Street. And then when penalty started

20:00

popping, then I started moving the people

20:02

from around the globe to the label. But

20:05

you know, twenty street was was great

20:08

to us. And then we st far on

20:12

and that was next to job. That's right

20:14

down to the factory studios, down the plot

20:16

Form VI, which was of course the street

20:19

which was up the block, and

20:21

of course the street from No

20:27

but wasn't we

20:29

had the rooftop. Right at the rooftop, we had

20:31

the roof. Let me see you out there all

20:33

the time. We didn't

20:36

have no place to hang out. We knew

20:39

we could go to twenty Street on

20:41

the roof, hang out the plug

20:44

A freedom there, like you said, it was a freedom there. And

20:47

I think that's one of the important things about

20:49

a label light Penalty, because when

20:51

you have a boutique label, it's not generic.

20:55

There's not people afraid to take

20:57

chances sometimes lessons more like you

20:59

said earlier, the ten people there,

21:02

three thousand people over there, but the three thousand people

21:04

couldn't get it right because the ten were focused

21:06

and they were willing to take chances. And

21:09

that's what games labels like that. And I gotta commend

21:11

you know, Neil vaughtin Mayhem, Bubba

21:13

Gino. That's what gave labels like that

21:16

a strength because they weren't afraid to take

21:18

chances. Other labels like that assisted

21:21

only other labels that that assisted like that

21:24

def Jam did later started, but

21:27

I would give it to Loud. Yeah. Actually,

21:30

Steve, Steve knew how to what's the fractionally

21:36

la Yes, yes, yes, but yes, yes, yes, raucus.

21:39

But the Penalty already have its

21:41

Tommy Boy distribution when you started. Yeah,

21:44

I mean I started, and then I did the

21:46

deal with Tom Hillman Tommy Boy. I had

21:49

another Lay. But before that Assault Records

21:51

at the DFC that was part

21:53

of Atlantic. That's right. So and

21:56

then I didn't make money from it, and I spent all my own money

21:58

promoting and I said, oh, this doesn't work. Can I went.

22:00

I went to to you know, Atlantic, and said, hey, let's

22:03

change the deal. It's like, nah, we're good. So

22:05

that's when I did the deal. I started another label

22:08

because they owned the name I was in business

22:10

with him, I started Penalty. And since

22:12

since I was promoting a lot of the Tommy Boy records

22:15

back then, it just kind of made sense. So

22:18

boom, get to it. We established

22:21

everyone knows each other. That is that is good

22:23

about Okay, now

22:27

crazy, No, I want. I wanted

22:29

This is why I wanted to start Trash. And

22:32

I actually wanted to access in front of the

22:34

trash just because even

22:38

when I were announcing

22:41

that I was signing with Trag, right,

22:43

Trag had a certain repetition, Right, he

22:46

had a certain like yo, it was certain

22:48

things that came with doing business

22:50

with Trad. Did that was that ever reflected

22:53

on y'all? Like when you heard about the group, did you

22:55

did you hear about the group or did you hear about you?

22:57

Know, like things that happened was

23:00

was attached to track? Not

23:02

really. I I really love Trash,

23:05

so I had a relationship and so I

23:07

didn't I didn't know that didn't That wasn't a

23:09

factor at all, you know, how

23:11

about you? Yeah? Not for me, it didn't

23:14

really it wasn't a factor. I mean, it wasn't

23:16

really like relevant to be signed.

23:19

It was just like the music was there. It was

23:21

like, all right, that's it. It wasn't even his business.

23:23

Antics wasn't even a factory. And

23:26

didn't you write gard because for the

23:28

most part, you're you're knowing more

23:30

than the label. You

23:32

know what I'm saying. There already a legend.

23:35

What made you say? I'm sorry? But the

23:37

thing about it is that like Trash

23:39

had a vision and what I liked when he came,

23:42

he laid it out and I was sold.

23:45

I was like, okay, now I get it. I heard

23:47

the music. But then when he came and laid it out

23:49

and laid out the vision, I was like, okay,

23:51

this is this is we could work with this. Because

23:54

hold up, I think that you guys are jumping a little

23:56

bit because we are how do you how do you get

23:58

to the to the group to start with, Like, how do you

24:00

say these two sounds good together?

24:03

This is a group? No, no, okay, I would get

24:05

to that part, but this is the part I was trying

24:07

to get to what DRAS was the

24:09

same way. It was a chance

24:11

and a risk for Penalty

24:15

to kind of fun with a new uh

24:17

group. It was also a risk for

24:20

tras reputation to funk with a new

24:22

group too. You understand I'm saying. So what

24:24

I'm trying to ascuve me a new label too. So what

24:26

I'm trying to say is what made you say that?

24:28

You know what? Because at the time

24:31

there were other labels that existed like that, but there

24:33

was the Terrificans or whatever. There wasn't

24:35

no other base penalty on. I

24:37

didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I

24:40

appreciate you saying that too, but you know it's wow.

24:42

I didn't. Let I look at everything

24:45

like music. Sometimes that's to my default

24:47

because life is life, you know what I'm saying. But I

24:50

don't like when I choose to beat. I don't choose

24:52

to beat. I let to beat choose me. So I

24:54

don't necessarily go and be like what

24:57

it was is I let the ship talk to me. I'm

25:00

going over here, going there. I'm seeing how different labels

25:02

work. I'm coming off a situation

25:04

with Molly don't dispect love Molly, but

25:07

it was a type of situation that taught me a lot

25:09

the hallway. You know what I'm saying, Three ways the

25:11

best lessons to pay lesson you can learn, you

25:14

know, by way of time and money

25:16

and you know whatever and

25:18

all the above. So it's like going through that

25:20

whole chamber with Molly. I was like, Yo,

25:23

you know, I want to do I want to do things

25:25

how I see it, how how music

25:27

should be and how the artists should

25:29

be. I didn't fully have it down. I kind

25:32

of went along, you know, learn as I went along too

25:34

a lot and then learn later

25:36

after it's done, so to speak. So

25:39

but I let it talk to me, and I'm going

25:41

around two different labels.

25:44

But I'm I'm kind of you know what I'm saying, you know how you never

25:47

so I'm going around, but I'm really not asking

25:50

what I really want. I'm kind of just feeling

25:52

people out because I feel like by

25:54

the time I get to what I want, I don't

25:56

know how to ask for it. You know, stand I'm saying,

25:59

you get me. So I'm going around

26:02

and I'm like, alright, cool, you know, and it's

26:04

just before you even got involved to picture

26:06

right that that's that's the same thing we was trying to keep. Let's

26:09

go, let's go out ready, and

26:12

we all comes. I'm

26:15

basically working with him. Describe

26:18

if you're gonna let's come out. Okay, Um,

26:24

I gotta take it from I come home, come

26:28

on from Yeah, go

26:31

to Queen's Bridge. It tell

26:33

me homies on the rhynd who

26:38

ya't

26:41

know that ship? That's why they went to I

26:44

got you. So

26:46

after that I

26:49

find out they got a record

26:51

the Faith

26:54

Moving Okay, okay, listen, I'll

26:56

went you ask you kind of jump out. You

27:01

got to realize Attle, That's how it looked for me.

27:05

But but this is before you even okay,

27:07

he had he didn't have a record deal, right.

27:10

What it was is we had

27:12

like a bullshit demo deal. We had

27:15

demo deal. We have believers, Yeah, we have believe

27:17

yeah, Paul, Yeah, so we

27:22

dog faith faith

27:25

you know what I mean? Around at that time wasn't

27:29

chall Sup, He wasn't chall Super. He

27:31

wasn't directly attached to us like faith

27:34

Tim Dog. Tim took it upon

27:36

himself to say, I'm wonderful, but

27:39

but Tim Dog's thinking with p Tim Dogg too, but

27:41

moving on him, good dude,

27:43

because he didn't say, look, I

27:46

can't give you a deal. He didn't say

27:49

I don't want to give you a deal. He said, I can't

27:51

bring you over here your type of music. But I

27:54

see what you're doing, so I'm giving

27:56

And it wasn't demo deal. He said, I'm gonna give you a demo

27:58

deal. Basically, you know that your

28:13

motherfucker lies. The

28:15

motherfucker keep something right on

28:17

that. I'm gonna track hold

28:21

on continual.

28:26

I gotta get that book. I'm not get that new book you reading.

28:30

So anyway anyway, so

28:33

boy, we do um we go and do um

28:36

we go and do a get the cream. We're

28:39

gonna do get the cream right, So um

28:43

mine your fucking demo deals like it's a stack

28:47

and studio it's okay,

28:50

um so boom, I'm I'm

28:52

working with. I had told I boy, I had

28:55

told a Beat Machine n PC and

29:01

how you gonna get you wasn't

29:03

giving them none of your star And then he had

29:05

to try money. Somebody

29:08

gotta pay for this. I always shoot back, baby,

29:12

so so, yeah, so we

29:14

were working with Ayatola. But

29:16

this dude, like, you know, respectfully, he's

29:19

in and out. He's

29:22

in and out. You know, he's sometime he comes

29:24

through, sometimes he doesn't. Ever some street ship,

29:26

he's always there, you know,

29:28

might be studient, he might be like, yo, I gotta

29:31

go run out of the town, or even I gotta go

29:33

do some other things, you know whatever. So and

29:36

I'm getting that vibe that because at

29:38

the time he's nice to me, he's

29:40

still greatus. But by the time he's nice and I'm like, yo,

29:43

what are you going bro? So he's like

29:45

yo, um you know, that's when

29:47

he brings you up. So

29:49

I'm like, Yo, that wasn't the fucking plan, son,

29:52

what are you doing? And so

29:55

now I'm like, man, so it kind

29:57

of it kind of throws me off for a little second

30:00

because it was like, you know, just sneaking

30:03

put it on, yeah, because you're not having

30:05

it, like you hate doing your curveball through

30:07

me a curveball, so especially a nigger, you don't

30:09

know. Yeah, this

30:12

was just this to just

30:15

man. To me, it gets interested because I'm

30:17

like, you know, you're not yeah, man, Like what funk

30:20

that dude? And did

30:23

did he tell you what I was from that time? Okay,

30:25

I co continue because I didn't even Soon

30:27

as he was saying that, I was like, we might you ain't going on. We

30:29

might be in a crab doing whatever we're doing. He's like,

30:31

yo, black, I don't ask

30:34

nothing. I kind of wanted to forget about it, so

30:36

I'm not gonna feed this ship. But I keep,

30:38

you know, every now and then I thought them, like, yo, y'all go back

30:41

and do some more songs. He's

30:43

like, yo, but my maid, my man,

30:46

my man. And I'm like, alright.

30:48

So he's like, yo, I don't know. Time just

30:50

flew and he's like, yo, my man's coming home with me. I

30:53

was thinking, man, you're telling me about Like

30:55

yeah, I'm like, she's a fun nigger,

30:59

you know that, so

31:05

fun that so whore. We go ahead the train

31:07

station and it's that

31:10

I met when he was probably like tanning some

31:12

ship because trying

31:15

to save a little brother. And

31:17

you know, at the time, I was in a different school of thought.

31:19

No saying I got I got the white on.

31:21

You know, I'm saying that Jollo bed the koufy, you

31:24

know what I'm saying. She's like, I go

31:26

I go, actually go to his crib because

31:28

she's like, yeah, I see you always look like a positive

31:31

Go talk to my brother like

31:33

you're reminded me that DMS kit. He's

31:35

like you, I know you you

31:37

need to go to gloss. It was

31:40

just like your eyes

31:42

over, you need to find yourself.

31:44

So we're not having that kids

31:47

as funny as hell. So long story

31:49

logo, I go to the crib

31:53

means the bell this thinking comes out

31:55

on the Norway right or

31:57

the mag and the're like, hey, let's she's just brotherfucker

31:59

Like. So when

32:02

I go on to train station, I'm

32:04

like, oh, ship this dude. And

32:07

I don't know. It was just it was no more question

32:09

just but now it's like I gotta see what

32:12

he got. It wasn't like I'm

32:14

denini ni no more. It was like I

32:16

say, he's kind of he's fucked

32:18

up. You know what I'm saying. We'll get it long so

32:23

we this a little time goes by, we're building, kicking

32:25

it, throwing back back and forth. Ideas were

32:28

going the studio. I I grabbed

32:31

Jay Supreme for Queen's Bridge, who

32:34

happened to produce Damn That every big dude

32:36

from Queen's Bridge's first demo. That was

32:38

Hot Day's little guy or No, I wouldn't

32:40

say that partner right

32:45

so so so um Yeah,

32:47

Jay supreme beautiful dude. Still

32:49

working him to this day. We're actually working on the

32:51

project. But I bron

32:54

we got to beat first. That's when tape

32:56

are still rocking. We got to beat

32:58

first. Well happened million talking

33:01

so so so um? Which is I

33:03

think it was a great dope song. I don't

33:05

even remember why we didn't put on the album What happened

33:07

money that you gotta figure that realized

33:12

also too, that wasn't part of them. Yeah

33:15

that was wasn't No, it wasn't. But I'm

33:17

gonna tell you what happened Mill was one of my favorite sessions

33:19

that you could pick up right, But what was this

33:21

isative joint? Yes, wait

33:24

a minute, let me let me do the solo that

33:28

I come to your

33:31

record. He jumps on my record.

33:34

I was working on a whole another record with butt

33:36

naked tim go yeah, and he pulls up

33:38

to the session. Yeah, and Jason

33:40

Frage as music. This

33:42

beats in the session and then I'm like my

33:45

brother said, I forget all

33:47

my souls. We was actually

33:49

trying to get you on the soundtrack.

33:52

The soundtrack. I

33:54

forgot the soundtrack, but at the of the

33:57

day I was doing a soundtrack reak.

33:59

It didn't slam one

34:02

of them. Yeah, but Solund

34:05

pulled up and it was like my niggas

34:07

hit the

34:10

funny ship out of everything that. I still never

34:12

heard him around either. I

34:15

never on

34:19

God, you never rhymed together.

34:22

Yeah when you heard me, I'm saying. You

34:24

know what I'm saying is like

34:27

when you wrong on like like

34:30

that in the studio, studio

34:33

time right now, you're right. I still don't know what

34:35

slum could do. I'm notching form, but I don't know

34:37

if that ship was understand

34:40

me was gonna resonate

34:42

to the boom, y'all vouching, vouching,

34:44

vouching, and then me, I'm sip

34:47

of five and thousand times every rhyme I got

34:49

here. I don't. I don't got the rhymes down

34:51

here. I got it all here. So I'm not only sticking

34:53

it from from from from head, but I'm sticking

34:55

it from head ahead. The old

34:58

ship was was that sound

35:01

that session? My

35:03

nigger was SI, it wasn't like we see we

35:05

got I wanted you to finish. He

35:08

was saying, I fall

35:10

back and move forward blood.

35:16

So so

35:18

here, so now we in power

35:21

play, we get Jay

35:23

Jason Prima come through. And

35:27

this is my first time really hearing Nory

35:29

like because you know what, like he said, we were I

35:32

heard him when we be in a crib

35:34

and we just be playing beets and

35:36

you know, he spent some ship, but

35:39

I didn't. I couldn't put him together right away

35:41

in my mind. I couldn't. I couldn't grasp it, you know what

35:43

I'm saying. Like, So now

35:46

we're in the studio, it's different, and

35:49

now I need to see if he understands structure.

35:51

Now I need to see if you know what I'm

35:53

saying. But he was just wow, like his

35:55

ship was all over the place, but it was raw

35:59

and you know it's no it's old, like he said, you

36:01

know, um whatever the words you used,

36:04

UMZ got

36:07

tricks. We get back to that. But

36:11

I like that, you know what I'm saying because to me, not

36:13

because it's wild or whatever, because

36:15

to me, like at that time, I'm very

36:17

passionate about music. You know what I'm saying, And

36:20

to me, that comes from a real place that I

36:22

relate to you know what I'm saying. Like, so

36:26

as I'm listening, I'm like, oh shoot, but I'm

36:28

like, yo, this ship his his voice

36:30

sounds bugged to me. It

36:33

kind of reminded me of like when Sham was here

36:35

and he said when him and Marlin listened to

36:37

rock Himsel, and it was like, Yo,

36:39

what it's so over there that

36:42

it's like because poone is nice, but

36:45

Poe has that Queen's Bridge vein

36:47

in them. He has that vein. But

36:49

Norri came from the place that he

36:51

couldn't take what he has from

36:54

you know what I'm saying, it's different.

36:57

So it's like more or less he the fallstab

36:59

and you know, for for contrary to what belief

37:02

is out there. I never wrote no rhymes phone. I helped

37:04

him with his rhymes. I never wrote his rhymes, but

37:07

help with I

37:18

don't know, don't understanding

37:21

that he didn't always he always

37:23

get like listen, I don't

37:25

want you to know

37:28

what it was. So again I'd

37:30

like to know what his doors like is

37:32

good. I'm not

37:34

afraid. I gotta tell listen,

37:37

I gotta tell the truth. But when I say

37:39

help, I mean it in a respectful

37:42

sense. Listen, stop playing man, I

37:46

know he'd listen. It's my

37:49

brother, Well listen, because you know what it's

37:51

because of a lot of like a lot

37:53

of ship came up and

37:55

you know, been around us, surrounding us. Ship

37:57

surrounds me too. That didn't

38:00

say he happen. But I don't

38:02

care about that. I care about my brothers and

38:04

my brothers seeing where I'm coming from, and

38:07

I gotta see where they come from. That's and that's reality.

38:09

All that outside ship I don't care about. So I want

38:11

to make clarity now because this is

38:14

something I brung up. You didn't bring it up, but I want to bring

38:16

it up now. Has to say when

38:18

I helped you, I helped to a song structures

38:21

like or

38:23

put here, that's how you can stuck up up or

38:25

like blood money when that was my first ball, my uh

38:28

my verse saying you know what, that should

38:30

be the hook. So now when I say

38:32

that, yeah, but that's the truth,

38:35

whether you accept it or not, it's the truth that I'm

38:37

just speaking the truth. You don't have to keep

38:39

doing that. You know what you know, because

38:42

listen, I'm saying that, but

38:45

I'm saying that it can't be sad

38:47

no more. Because when I'm talking about my people's

38:50

or what we did. It's like I'm

38:54

not speaking it to to I'm

38:56

not speaking it for the outside. You

38:58

understand I'm saying I do. But but

39:01

but you gotta realize how people how

39:03

people take it. And you're right, and you're right because

39:05

you gotta realize. When we looked at the

39:08

Worried Poor album, you look at the credits, it

39:10

says sweet public and sweet

39:13

well sweet

39:17

says you know Percy

39:20

Chapman. People all the back like wait

39:22

a minute, wait a minute, you

39:24

see what's going on. This is how this is.

39:27

That's how that's how Kane was credited on

39:29

busines Mark records. This is how such such people's

39:31

credits so automatically. That's

39:34

how people took that, especially when

39:36

it's on records that you wear it on. You

39:38

know, What's what I'm saying, So like I can see that they

39:40

say it like all right, cool parole violators, that's

39:42

nory trash and and have it.

39:44

So so we gotta we gotta realize it's me

39:47

personally. When we went through our discrepancies

39:49

and he was like, yo, you know how the value

39:52

said that. That's how what people did. People came in and

39:55

and and and that's how they that's how they put it together,

39:58

and that Yeah, what's

40:01

tough because I didn't know how to go to every

40:03

interview and be like what Nigga didn't

40:05

and didn't and didn't and never and not only that,

40:08

Let's just be clear. You

40:10

know, our e album the next year

40:13

was more successful than

40:15

the war reports. So if I was to say, well, if

40:18

that's happened, what the fund wo happened went in our

40:20

eat what, it

40:22

will automatically make it look like I'm

40:24

sitting on my partner and jail.

40:27

So I literally for comorable for

40:29

a minute, because it would be like I'm sitting on the Warrior

40:31

for like a totally different vein. Though nobody's

40:33

gotta realize this is my life that I'm living. So I'm

40:35

just telling you what I was receiving from my end

40:38

when I was walking and after you know, blood

40:40

type had dropped to things like that, you know what I'm saying.

40:42

So I'm glad what you said, um

40:45

and uh yeah,

40:47

I'm glad. I'm good. I'm glad. It's

40:53

very it's very personal to

40:55

me. It's very personal to be because because

40:58

of that fact that it'd because I didn't

41:00

understand publishing at the time, and when people brow

41:02

that up to me, well why his name is on the publishing

41:05

head? Why his name? And then who the sweets twelbo

41:07

two? You know what I'm saying that, So I'm like that they

41:09

still thinking some other guy sweet

41:11

twelbow twy, it wasn't crack. And that's what I

41:14

was like. And that's something like

41:16

that's some of them. That's I

41:18

want to say this and and and and um

41:21

and respected that right. That's part of the reason

41:23

why when you wanted out to deal,

41:25

I didn't want nothing. You

41:27

know what I'm saying. I didn't want nothing. Him and the lawyer

41:30

at the time, Reggiald say, who

41:32

came on your show and live

41:36

keep it green? Though, I'm gonna keep it green

41:38

because I'm in my skin so infactual,

41:42

so you know what I mean. Like,

41:44

that's why when when it was time for

41:47

I still part, I didn't. I didn't. I don't want to do

41:49

that because honestly, like

41:51

I said, I was still learning a lot as I went along.

41:55

So and I know that now, you know, but

41:57

it's still a little you know, it's still a little same ship.

42:00

I see, I see the speak at

42:03

all. I'm good, right,

42:05

good? But that but I need

42:07

you to go with me with that. Yeah, I don't know you're good.

42:10

I'm great, I'm great. Yeah, we need I need

42:12

you to be good with me today. I don't agree. I'm

42:16

change. No,

42:18

but that's like as

42:21

a person. You know, um and

42:24

what I'm saying. People said that about him too because

42:26

of the publishing there. Yeah,

42:28

that was the only

42:30

reason. Why do you go to it? Because I was like, here't

42:33

haveing this record? Ship? He

42:37

got gaze

42:42

I was. I was speaking to him. He's

42:45

like, I'm speaking to him. You

42:48

must have been rolling with possession was a super

42:51

Yeah? Did that film? Is that? I'm coming

42:53

in on your im telling you and

42:56

be like, yo, let's make a ship. What

42:58

about that time went to the show? You spit

43:01

on the car, disrespectful

43:04

y'all. We go to go,

43:06

y'all go to see what I'll be. I can't bring motherfucking

43:09

who was it real? And who is it? Who

43:11

is it? Stuff? Stuff? You

43:14

did? Get out of here? I said

43:16

this, thinking crazy, he get the I don't

43:18

remember none of that. I tell you

43:21

who We're

43:29

not sting ship. You

43:32

should will make us brothers right now. If

43:34

it wasn't for them days. We wouldn't have these

43:37

days like the misunderstanding

43:39

days, them days where it was left Frank

43:41

killed be the days was like Paul them

43:44

days made it's just called

43:46

warrant this

43:50

thick still on the car. Then he just get

43:52

out of left friend and

43:56

we was on the highwackets

44:00

later nigger straight

44:02

up. When we as an NC like that, we wished my nigga

44:05

was in. But then you know, it was a whole bunch of ship

44:07

that made us us that was going

44:09

on. Okay, I mean jail no funk

44:11

that. Yeah, two niggers put me in the most long position

44:14

because I gotta call him and

44:17

listen to what he's saying. And I'm saying, just

44:20

be clear that I said, you

44:22

said. But I was the more imporn person

44:24

at the time. I was

44:27

the mort

44:33

my shop. It

44:35

ain't my job. He wasn't. How

44:40

to get that back to the down we

44:43

don't want to imagine. Yeah, I got okay,

44:55

so boom, Let's let's get back to the Let's

44:57

get back to the origin the album

44:59

be called. When I first heard Martin

45:04

is you heard us on master Flex.

45:07

That's a lot, that's a lot way before

45:09

that stretching stretch

45:12

don't you know what the funny thing is like? So I

45:14

heard it. I was just you know, so

45:16

to back up a little bit, you know, I was doing an underground college

45:18

radio show, so I was always intuned to what was happening

45:21

on the streets music glass or whatever I had

45:23

heard about you. I had never heard anything. In the fact,

45:26

I had read the article about your vibe.

45:28

I think Sasha or wrote

45:31

it. It was it

45:34

was a bucked out article because it was like but

45:36

anyway, then I eventually got the demo

45:39

tape and what Trag was saying, what

45:41

stood out to me on that demo tape was your offward

45:43

style, but it was different. It was like something

45:45

that I was like, oh, ship because you know, it was like a

45:47

regular record, but it was it was this was what I'm

45:49

talking about, l A l A right hand

45:53

together, but then your voice, your tone, all other I was like, oh

45:56

this ship is this is this is different. This

45:58

stood out and you know, my

46:00

mind framing that time, you know, doing underground

46:02

radio, doing all other stuff, it was like it was dope.

46:05

I was like, this is cool. And then that's how you know, I

46:07

got tracked to come in and but I heard

46:09

about y'all like do the vibe on the underground

46:11

like stretch. Okay, you know what I'm saying, Stretched,

46:16

fat man, big

46:19

big part of my career, the fact

46:21

fact of so

46:29

a lot of people. So it was

46:31

like, you know, y'all was bumbling up. It was a lot of people with just

46:34

like stretched, you know, and then you know,

46:36

tragic and then like the article on this other stuff.

46:38

Now, when I say an article in the magazine, remind

46:40

you this is before social media right now. It was the

46:42

social you had to you know, physical

46:45

cop It was like twelve lines. It

46:48

was like at the

46:50

time, right by the way, let me just be clear. At

46:55

the time NAS came out, change

46:58

the trajectory of how quick is hip

47:00

hop is supposed to sound? How's Queen's

47:02

hip hop? You know, we was just coming through

47:04

this detriment to disaster

47:07

from a guy in CARSS one took amout. The

47:09

bridge is over, the NAS comes

47:12

and we store us our whole, you

47:15

know, prod. Then this

47:17

other group comes out mob deep and

47:20

there's no other group to compare us

47:22

to. So I remember the first three articles.

47:25

Yeah, we were small deep looks we were small deep

47:28

regents were

47:31

exactly remember the exact

47:34

remember mother, I'm

47:37

saying it

47:40

was quasi mob deep. I

47:42

don't even know what I'm

47:50

like, like like like a south of deep,

47:53

like a that

47:58

was before they knew where we are. We you were affiliated,

48:01

like like this

48:07

is how it was, this is how, this

48:10

is how it works. People need something to

48:12

compare something to, they need a

48:14

gauge and that that At

48:16

that time, I didn't. It just offended me because I'm

48:18

like, no, we're not piece to have it.

48:20

That's my brother. I love him, love mother, I love

48:22

his mother, Rest in peace, Killer Black. I

48:24

love this whole family. I love his sister. That's

48:27

my little brother. You know what I'm saying, but

48:29

evolveing me because we're going so hard

48:32

and kind of like how you felt

48:35

about Queen's bench and left frack. I

48:37

don't want to be. You gotta understand,

48:39

I'm the big brother. I don't want to be is

48:42

my little brother. I don't want me and minds

48:44

to be associated in that way like we're trying

48:46

to bite off of his nation. And

48:49

when you're struggling and you're trying to get to a point

48:51

and you know in yourself what

48:53

it is and what you have, it could

48:55

be offensive. But now that we oh do we don't understand

48:58

that. Motherfucker's just didn't know

49:00

how to place it or he just didn't understand

49:02

it. Sometimes like that, you have situations

49:05

where people bring a particular you know, sound

49:07

to someone and they just don't even

49:10

know what to do with it, and they'll dead you, but

49:12

you think they're dead, and you they just push you on to

49:14

go somewhere else where you're supposed to be. Yeah, it'd

49:16

be Craig. So when they wrote that was like,

49:18

oh, ship the fun because you know, we're back

49:20

in the hood. And then you know when he's

49:23

looking at and he's tried, like you know,

49:25

and he's trying to be like sunning them. But

49:28

I know what I'm listening to way

49:31

different or give me wrong, p and halves nice,

49:34

but this is way different. It's coming from a different

49:37

place sonically, physically,

49:39

it's coming from the same place halfway sonically,

49:42

is coming from a different place in

49:44

a different a certain kind of sincerity.

49:47

The best thing for us is that me

49:50

and his brother sounded totally different and

49:52

complimented each of course, if

49:54

we sounded the same, it would

49:56

have been like yeah, because you know, even

49:59

though Pier has sounds a little different. They

50:01

still sound the same, Still get the same, Kat,

50:03

You're still get to say, Man, this fulk is like totally

50:07

the tone him and peace tone is the

50:10

rhythm. You know what I'm saying. They're tone the same,

50:12

but he's stereo. So

50:14

y'all, ship is like this the stereo,

50:17

you know what I'm saying. When we didn't have familar, that's what I ain't feeling

50:19

that. That's what I ain't finished. That's what

50:22

I ain't I was

50:24

going to tell

50:27

me. God, I'm telling you you said, but

50:29

I wanted to do that. This sorry

50:36

shot earlier, You shoot my later.

50:42

Um, when we're in the studio, we

50:44

had power play, which is now called in your ear

50:46

action. Remember asked Pirou

50:48

the parole question them? Um, they

50:52

took over power play from Patrick and them. You remember

50:54

Patrick and them power play from back

50:56

in the days where they did uh Finding's

50:59

Cherry, where they did pay

51:02

them full, where they did strictly business.

51:05

Listen. All of the some of the greatest hip

51:07

hop landmark

51:09

of albums, staples of albums

51:11

came out of the studio which

51:13

I used to go to when I was young and delivered things

51:16

from a Man and Dirty Red in my projects to

51:18

Patrick to the owner. I

51:20

never thought so

51:23

I never was. I was like a ten of Levin, but

51:26

when I was going there was like, oh ship, I wanted

51:28

to be in there, but never thought that. I'm being

51:30

there with my brother's later on myself. So

51:33

we're doing illegal life

51:36

and acts comes out and he's like, yo,

51:39

the man, it's ill. She

51:41

mean, he was like he rhymes and starrio.

51:45

So I'm like, oh shit, I

51:48

kind of didn't hear that ship that the whole

51:50

term and so long, like I forgot what that mint. I'm

51:54

like, that's why. Then they get just sham funny

51:56

but ill, like you know what I'm saying. It's

51:58

like he's almost he gotta walk told him almost

52:00

like I can't explain, you know what I mean. So I'm

52:03

listening to this thing. Now, I'm listening to him like, oh that's

52:06

all, and the ship is off. He

52:08

rhymes, He rhymes off. If

52:11

anybody I could compare to, like rhythmically,

52:14

it would kind of be like p a

52:17

little bit in that sense. Pe rhymes

52:19

off, but you wouldn't match it because of the tones.

52:21

They got to. His

52:24

mom told he's the stereo. You understand the signs.

52:26

Good looking man yea. Let

52:29

me just say how I kind of remembered that. I

52:31

kind of remember that this is how, And you tell me

52:33

if if I'm wrong, and

52:36

I could be, I could be like a little bit wrong, but

52:38

I know I noticed this fact. I think

52:40

you describe poems like yo, it

52:42

is like the Games, the Burden, the Knobs. Then

52:45

Homeboys. Yeah, I did say that a Homeboys

52:47

and your man in

52:50

stereo did happen

52:52

as you said stereo? You're telling truth?

52:56

You said stereo? And he was like, because I was

52:58

walking to the back, I think I was what did

53:00

they call us at air hustling? Yeah, and

53:03

we was in the hallway parts like little Stu. That's

53:05

a fact that a little like he

53:08

was wanting about you,

53:11

you're gonna do that. That's the shot. You can block

53:13

the ding out. You know what I'm saying. You're

53:17

figuring that. That's a fact. But now

53:20

moving on, Now, moving on, we

53:23

have this demo. Now when you stepped

53:25

to them, you have a demo already. Yo,

53:29

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I got the

53:32

l A late demoment was

53:35

yeah, because I don't remember. Isn't

53:38

that what scored white

53:40

pass? You guys pressed up. That's the post

53:45

had it, that's

53:48

game. Yeah's rest and his mother palms

53:51

up to S's moms passion.

53:53

We actually soon as I get back, Yeah, resting

53:57

stress. Stretch actually went to his

53:59

family. Is I know,

54:02

but this is not the country. This is before

54:05

the stretch Um and Banto's

54:07

family factor came in because I

54:09

didn't tell y'all because the

54:12

family do so so so

54:14

um I gave. I didn't tell

54:16

y'all at the time because you know, at the time he

54:18

was going around and you

54:20

don't want to tell. It's like having an army and

54:23

you're about to go to war, but I

54:25

lost a couple of battles on a

54:28

faction, A piece of the army lost a battle

54:30

over here. You don't want to keep telling mother's

54:33

because they lose more rack. You

54:35

gotta motivate, you know what I'm saying. So it's

54:37

certain ships that would go there and shot out that will be

54:39

said that I wouldn't necessarily say because

54:42

I know I'm like yo in my mind. First of

54:44

all, I'm gonna take a person if I see

54:46

something nobody's gonna deny me, flex

54:49

and tell you that nobody's gonna

54:51

deny me. Once I believe it. My ship is

54:53

like this, and I died for

54:56

that ship. You know what I'm saying. So it's like, yo,

54:58

alright, cool, I don't want to tell him that

55:01

I brung it overhead, and you

55:06

know what, I want to but because

55:14

I think that's

55:17

interesting, interesting, that's

55:19

that's shoving. Because yeah,

55:22

because yeah, like you can't you

55:25

can't throw that in the air. For

55:27

some young dudes, that's I mean, he's just

55:29

coming off the street, you know, and

55:31

they may not be may not be able to

55:34

decipher that and break that down without making

55:36

them discover So any long story, long ago, that's

55:39

when I started looking at like he actually you asked

55:42

and about having a vision or whatever. Like

55:45

I said, I ain't gonna lie's gonna say you no Christmas gifts

55:47

because a lot of times what it was is

55:50

I would go off the feedback. So

55:54

I might have brung it over here, that

55:56

motherfucker might have shot it down, But think I'll bring over

55:58

here. And they said, yo, you know what, I don't

56:00

even want to bring it over here. But I see what you're doing here. Let's

56:02

just give you something to help you out balance

56:05

the scales. I'm like, I'm taking all

56:07

this in it. But when I by the time

56:09

I got the Martin, you know, I didn't bring a demo.

56:12

Now I don't know why. I remember because

56:14

I started saying, you know, you know what,

56:16

I don't make this ship like I'm like, I'm

56:19

pitching something. People won't take

56:21

it in necessarily. But if I'm making like

56:23

I'm hitting them with some exclusive ship, they'll

56:26

take more time to appreciate

56:28

for what it is. And I remember

56:31

because I was like, Yo, this thing is like stretching

56:33

Barbica just now,

56:35

not like that. But you know what I'm saying, y'all to use the

56:37

underground, right so, and

56:40

you know where I'm home at, you know what I'm saying. So

56:42

I was like, you know what, give give certain

56:45

he's hit him with just the fucking song, Like,

56:48

don't try to make no demo, because initially

56:50

we try to. We try to go and

56:52

put um and do the ship for Puffs mix tasks,

56:54

right that was for the Bad Boy, and that ship

56:57

like had me like damn, that ship was like very

56:59

discouraging. I really wanted I

57:01

really wanted us to make that that

57:04

fucking you know that that that car right there for Yeah,

57:07

he did, but we didn't necessarily make it.

57:10

You know what I'm saying, do that. You know

57:15

I can't another

57:23

thing case some point, another thing, put

57:26

some ship, just be it gets greater later. But

57:28

you know what I'm saying on for for me seeing

57:31

that, seeing what what we was doing,

57:33

seeing what we had, I just wanted us to

57:35

keep it not so much orthodox

57:38

so we didn't get shot down. So dude like

57:40

we went to the sauce and went to different dudes,

57:43

not straight away from me, because that old co is

57:45

side, that old coined side with around

57:47

that same time, because now

57:49

we're going to give it. I forgot who it was the end of that sauce.

57:53

No, no, that's fine to check him vibe

57:56

who No,

57:59

No, it was a rare rich

58:03

rich but he was

58:05

the editor. Now he wasn't the editor of music editor

58:08

like he was he was. He

58:14

went on the world from eminem. Yeah, rig

58:17

morally. So you know at

58:19

the time, all these things is put

58:22

a little moving put this ship. I'm

58:24

not looking at it how I would look at it now, like like

58:26

a commander and be like old

58:29

you know, old press is good press. I

58:31

didn't look at it like that. I'm too

58:33

so personally connected to I'm like Yo, these motherfucker's

58:36

ship. So now when we get

58:38

the Vibe ship, that's

58:41

that's what's crazy, because you

58:44

know it was crazy. We

58:47

we it felt I felt in that article,

58:49

in that interview he was trying to like at least

58:51

I was. I was trying to prove something and

58:54

I went too far. You

58:57

said that it was crazy, right, I went

59:00

too far, slimmy jin because

59:03

go ahead and tell him. You know, I was pulled shirt and shot

59:05

out. Then then because I

59:07

wasn't looking at your listen, this ship could come back.

59:09

He picked up the gun and got about

59:11

putting his nick. I

59:14

came in and tell the truth. It was

59:17

say takes

59:24

but the artist, wo happened? Two

59:27

Dud was in the room. Three D in

59:30

the room, so I was, I was in the fucking

59:32

room. Yeah, I was like my three He

59:34

has a green others so in the prophets wasazing

59:37

to me green

59:39

cop and he had a Microway, ain't

59:42

dry, everyone want dry?

59:44

I love this guy's rich. You

59:50

know what I said. I didn't

59:53

want I looked. It was like nine eleven to breathe

59:55

everywhere. Mind

59:59

you, we gotta act like we do this ship ply

1:00:04

funny basically for

1:00:07

the room okay,

1:00:11

there it wasn't there all the same gun,

1:00:14

Let's just be clear, it's why

1:00:16

you accident. I just let be gun. I

1:00:19

don't know about this ship. You

1:00:22

know about this? You're

1:00:28

right boy?

1:00:32

Still because stars should

1:00:35

do our documentary. He needs to know it.

1:00:37

Yes, he needs to go the

1:00:40

flowers stops shouldn't

1:00:42

do. I just don't understand why you didn't say he

1:00:45

was in the crib and the dumb separate

1:00:51

yourself. I'm spared

1:00:53

he probably visiting. Don't

1:00:56

let him do it today?

1:00:58

We all okay,

1:01:05

they can't hold

1:01:07

hold on, hold on because there's another thing.

1:01:10

Why it to aplicating into penalty. That

1:01:12

was a big campaign. A part of our thing

1:01:16

was people kept calling me because

1:01:18

like I just seen on the train station. Man, I've gett

1:01:20

that ship down and I'm just like what

1:01:23

And I'm to about four weeks because you know, obviously

1:01:25

back then we didn't have to we didn't

1:01:27

have Instagram, so people were calling me or

1:01:30

whatever I had, like, I don't I don't

1:01:32

think two ways of I

1:01:34

would call him. They're

1:01:39

not fully telling me the story, so let's it went

1:01:42

on for weeks because they think it ain't holding me down.

1:01:44

They're like, yo, man, I've seen

1:01:46

that ship. I was like, what.

1:01:49

Meanwhile, when draft was doing

1:01:53

was putting up a bone and no want

1:01:55

tip post and myself I was

1:01:59

he was on supposed trying to put you first.

1:02:03

You gotta check. I'm

1:02:05

just telling you these if you still about

1:02:07

the course. So what I didn't know for weeks

1:02:10

were there are a people that

1:02:12

was calling me. It was warning me if

1:02:15

you gotta realize they're speaking cold.

1:02:21

That just saying, but

1:02:24

I want No one called me north at the time like some

1:02:26

people say, Um,

1:02:29

you know, I saw and I

1:02:31

heard, so you know, when I

1:02:34

concene it, I tore it down. So

1:02:36

I'm listening and I'm trying

1:02:38

to like, what are they but

1:02:40

I can't. And then this one call and it gets

1:02:43

more decoded. Y'all saw it was

1:02:45

only one last I took it down. It

1:02:48

wasn't till a week later that I was actually

1:02:50

got to see the post of myself where

1:02:52

I'm like, wait a minute, No

1:02:55

one told me about this promotion and

1:02:58

then I found out, but

1:03:00

I don't know about it. But I didn't know

1:03:03

about this. We didn't know. I didn't

1:03:05

know. First of all, we

1:03:07

had to put up our posters. I didn't know that you

1:03:10

know, omar agent to five,

1:03:13

but Leave the chic was actually the people that was

1:03:15

out there. You know, it's just putting it and it's

1:03:17

gonna do it. So by the way, but it came to me

1:03:20

even though I knew of it. I didn't.

1:03:22

You don't understand what it was. I didn't understand

1:03:24

because of the cold cold it was. It

1:03:27

was a straight up saying y'all and

1:03:29

took it down. That arguably,

1:03:34

I don't know how much money that took, but

1:03:36

that arguably it

1:03:38

was a cheap just as much. Boss,

1:03:41

that's an camp. Let me say how

1:03:43

much. But

1:03:46

you know what the next step was that made

1:03:49

it even ella After that was

1:03:51

the who the fund is components thinking

1:03:54

it was okay, all right,

1:03:56

but but this is the origin. I

1:03:59

don't want leave. You came

1:04:02

to us for a coast. I believe you. You just yeah,

1:04:05

I didn't, and then you just did it. So I

1:04:07

came to you and I said, listen, I'm gonna do something.

1:04:10

You know what it was, thank you? But

1:04:13

I should know what they were talking about, yeah,

1:04:15

because I just I was like, ye'a all gonna do

1:04:17

some one and sign. He was like, yeah, whatever, But

1:04:20

I was, I was I had the

1:04:22

bro go to the go to the library

1:04:26

and duplicate this is a library. We didn't have computers

1:04:29

like that public library in the way

1:04:31

some of these guys over here when you said librries, like what

1:04:33

then is that duplicate

1:04:39

an actual one of FBI wanted post.

1:04:42

Yeah, because I had I had to get your photo. I told

1:04:44

you how to get past. But look, h

1:04:48

picture it was the water

1:04:50

poster. Yeah. You know, so

1:04:54

when he's choling out when he says, dudes

1:04:57

just talking and cold because they

1:04:59

thought of wanting posts were rare. Yeah,

1:05:03

but I said, if you have any information regarding

1:05:05

these suspecs, it

1:05:10

was hot always

1:05:13

sort of far. It

1:05:15

was hot ninety seven and and

1:05:18

then simultaneously that's

1:05:20

when we came with a Lane like right after

1:05:22

that, and it kind of worked

1:05:25

together. Man kind of worked out. Man kind of worked

1:05:27

out. Yeah, and

1:05:29

and and if you think about it, l

1:05:31

A l A Tupac after it's

1:05:34

a part of that record with Tupac because it's

1:05:36

part to us. He's like, whoever else was one

1:05:38

of y'all? Yeah, you kind of know that

1:05:43

offended me. Now, this stuff that

1:05:45

he didn't just us, you know, you know, ided

1:05:48

me Wnna be honest with you. I

1:05:50

never take my glasses. I don't want anybody to really really

1:05:53

listen. I'm fifty fifty with that, fifty

1:05:56

fifty with me, says I wanted Park to this us.

1:05:59

Yeah, ye, persis

1:06:01

like I don't know if I would have been able to take it. Yeah,

1:06:04

Like I don't know, Like I

1:06:07

don't know back then, like like

1:06:09

right now, like I know how to respond

1:06:12

because now I know how to funk with my Instagram.

1:06:14

Yeah, I understanding

1:06:16

that, you know what, I canna understand that too.

1:06:19

That's what I tell you that if

1:06:21

the all the way Greenberry, I was like I even told

1:06:23

you as recently like not jumping off but everything

1:06:26

Coin signs playing like Yo, man, I'm proud

1:06:28

of you. I mean that I'm saying, I'm

1:06:30

proud of both of you. But I'm proud of you because I

1:06:33

understand what this ship takes in a sense

1:06:35

like coming from that that the fabric

1:06:37

we come from, and not

1:06:39

taking a certain ship personal because I would get comments

1:06:42

in my hand start swaying because

1:06:44

because I don't know where I come from, you don't know

1:06:47

you're throwing Frank sin ship on my ship. Like I

1:06:50

know what I'm saying at the time because

1:06:53

because I don't understand how

1:06:55

to how to how to take that in you know what I'm saying.

1:07:02

These dudes just ensuing say

1:07:05

crazy ship, and I'm like the fun

1:07:07

But now I thought high

1:07:11

because you don't know about the block button.

1:07:14

It's amazing. Oh yeah, hell yeah, but

1:07:17

you gotta get it, No freaking gotta get

1:07:19

a hit block because then you

1:07:21

don't know what the black with the blood he

1:07:30

say. Okay, Mail, I heard

1:07:32

you say that earlier. Who the fun?

1:07:34

The component Noriega stickers. You guys

1:07:36

had windoms up those clickers as well. Oh

1:07:38

no, this just came along after the music

1:07:41

came after the music. Okay, and the music

1:07:43

is pretty earlier

1:07:45

undertaking a single. Yeah, first Dames

1:07:49

on the single and we just blooded this ship every

1:07:52

fun everything'll see it today. I still westside

1:07:56

of you gotta be a dirty cremace

1:07:58

clicker. You might. I've seen a

1:08:00

few plas. What's the single? What's the single that you're saying?

1:08:03

Is it l a late life legal

1:08:07

stick you stick

1:08:10

you? Yes, it was stick

1:08:13

had the ready great sticker stick

1:08:16

you got. They

1:08:19

was hitting us after label told they're gonna do

1:08:22

something. That's what we're going to that

1:08:24

was the craziest thing of the

1:08:27

record was round, Like we really wanted to stick.

1:08:30

We're not right, but

1:08:36

we definitely it wasn't It was definitely.

1:08:46

Man, I was just sucking stick you with

1:08:48

the red and silver sticking. That's fact.

1:08:51

That's a factual. I think we did like a

1:08:53

half a million just in New York. That

1:08:55

makes a drink

1:09:00

many

1:09:06

because um, you know, Neil, I'm gonna

1:09:08

tell you something. The

1:09:10

whole time being

1:09:13

on Penalty, the success that

1:09:15

Penalty had, I never

1:09:18

knew it was

1:09:20

an independently that it was a major

1:09:25

felt yeah things

1:09:30

where Yeah,

1:09:34

that's the fact. I can test that, that's

1:09:36

a fact. I mean, that's why I

1:09:38

was, you know, so louting you earlier, because that's what I was

1:09:41

trying to establish, was you

1:09:44

know, And that's with no disrespect to anybody else that

1:09:46

was on Penalty prior to us. I think, um

1:09:49

to pick up the law Finesse was also I

1:09:52

also invited here and also was on the

1:09:54

Worry for the album. I mean,

1:09:56

but wow, but I didn't know any like what

1:09:59

what alreadywhere at that time, and

1:10:02

that at this time, although

1:10:04

Mark Deep was a

1:10:06

very underground based group, they was

1:10:09

coming back with hardware you know they was

1:10:11

coming back with that, you know what I mean? So what

1:10:13

what what? What was it trying to depend

1:10:16

again, like just to just to kind of like circulate

1:10:18

around it again. It's like and I gotta you

1:10:20

know, we all go through our things, but I gotta

1:10:23

I gotta say thank you for giving me a chance.

1:10:26

Man, Well, I you

1:10:32

go through things, thank

1:10:34

you to give me a chance. I'm tlings

1:10:36

tucking my stomach, but you know, I'm you

1:10:39

know what I'm saying because when you look back, like

1:10:41

you said something deep, man, sometime you get off

1:10:43

and I'm saying free. So you

1:10:47

said you don't realize that you have to lose it. Yeah,

1:10:50

So when I looked at now,

1:10:52

I'm like, damn, yo, I

1:10:54

would do anything. Had that right now,

1:10:57

you don't have people and take chances anymore.

1:10:59

It's phone your lady, the music and phone

1:11:02

your lady. He took a chance for somebody.

1:11:04

Well appreciate the analytics.

1:11:07

And it's it's so different again,

1:11:09

you know, for for for us, he didn't

1:11:11

even have a demo. It's like, wow, you

1:11:14

know, who does that? Like who does that? Hold?

1:11:17

He just says something so crazy right now,

1:11:20

every just said he didn't even have a demo.

1:11:22

I don't know, he said, Now,

1:11:25

analytics numbers, it's not a and

1:11:28

R. It's research. But you

1:11:30

know what, as we say that, you know

1:11:32

what, it's

1:11:35

so deeper though, as when we say

1:11:37

that, we gotta look at us, and he

1:11:39

gets you

1:11:42

can't just look. That's why ship

1:11:44

is not being broken. That's why I gotta

1:11:46

say this, Anther cut you. That's why

1:11:48

ship is not changings. Drink

1:11:50

up too, because it's not for me. Everybody's going over

1:11:53

a good time. And they say math don't

1:11:55

lie. But the gut no saying that

1:11:57

the soul is gone, the oland

1:12:00

is gone to fucking you know, the instincts

1:12:03

like survival. It's instincts, you

1:12:06

know what I'm saying. It's innate, it's natural. The

1:12:08

naturality of the ship is being lost

1:12:11

because it's all about analytics. Analytics

1:12:14

constitutes dollars which we gotta make. But

1:12:16

you made money just off your instincts. I

1:12:19

think that makes you greater later, know what I'm saying, anything count,

1:12:21

but that's real ship. But remember

1:12:23

Matt does a lot. Because it's proven

1:12:25

that they paying for that. Math

1:12:29

paid for that for It's

1:12:31

not math, you know what I'm saying, Paying

1:12:33

for number, numbers for numbers. Yeah,

1:12:38

but it's not actually math can for numbers

1:12:41

alternate side, it's altering, altering

1:12:46

pay to getting to change. Imagine

1:12:49

how much how many creative or how many

1:12:51

artists were losing because no one's

1:12:53

taking a chance on the gut field on

1:12:56

what they hear. We're just going off of these numbers

1:12:59

that are bought and so. And that's what I

1:13:01

said, Let's keep it because dudes like, YO, this money.

1:13:03

I was like, Yo, but these dude believe in the ship.

1:13:06

Who's gonna put out tea on WI is the first

1:13:08

single? You can't tell me. I don't killing nobody

1:13:10

say I know the ship. You can't

1:13:13

tell me. Another lady at that time

1:13:15

put a single when they wanted

1:13:17

that. I was like, Yo, these motherfucker's understand

1:13:20

because because I was like, that's the one. To

1:13:28

that point, we were on a different wavelengths. Like

1:13:30

you know this guy Nil when he you know,

1:13:33

plucked me out of college to work out round

1:13:35

the globe. He was like, you know,

1:13:37

I'm here from New York. But he he was

1:13:39

like promoting like ice Cube,

1:13:41

promoting like shipped from the Dirty South, like

1:13:44

before it was popular in New York. My my

1:13:46

ears were like tuning into what was happening in New York. But

1:13:48

he was promoting records from all over this you

1:13:52

know what I'm saying. I

1:14:01

mean, it's the first time I heard about getting different

1:14:03

wavelength in terms of just just just finding like

1:14:05

like you said, zoning into like the gut

1:14:08

and zoning it into that and not not the math and magic.

1:14:10

He did have math, Mark, you have only

1:14:13

this budget to sign and an

1:14:15

album. That's why a lot of ship didn't get signed.

1:14:18

One thing I'll tell you that you

1:14:21

make it makes sense, it make money,

1:14:23

You'll find it, You'll find And

1:14:26

I had to learn that later on. But

1:14:28

you know, because of the war report to

1:14:31

tell you the truth, and I say this, um um,

1:14:35

I was telling Diego earlier or

1:14:38

or Diego broke it up and I

1:14:40

was sitting there. I was like, yo, to this day, you

1:14:43

know, I knew how, I knew how I knew how to not play

1:14:45

with the budget because of what trash

1:14:47

tragic And then like listen, I dude, like what

1:14:50

are y'all doing? Like I'm saying

1:14:52

that, And and Mark, you know because later on in

1:14:54

Good Life and and Neil, I would

1:14:56

never play with the studio because of the

1:14:58

war report. So it was such

1:15:00

a so so so must

1:15:03

magical session was what

1:15:06

was your favorite session? You know, being a part of

1:15:08

a witnessing one

1:15:11

of my favorite. You know, man, you're going to pack.

1:15:16

You can't. You can't do it, to

1:15:21

be honest, you can't even you

1:15:23

can't even really like the sessions

1:15:26

was so crazy. It's all

1:15:28

the hallway action, like you know what I'm

1:15:30

saying, like, and and then on top of that, I

1:15:32

wasn't really like official staff,

1:15:35

so it was like you don't want to overstep or whatever,

1:15:37

but you know, like just seeing your

1:15:39

guys and just doing it, and you know, of

1:15:41

course being part of the you know when we did the reunion

1:15:43

and n R E and all

1:15:46

of that ship right

1:15:49

yo yo, I was gonna say parself.

1:15:51

I was gonna say that because you want the

1:15:54

hallway action was crazy. That's

1:15:56

why when he asked you, I just don't thought.

1:15:58

I was like, oh, ship, remember it

1:16:01

was a session. Is that

1:16:03

unique forty seven

1:16:06

street stop? That such ship forty

1:16:09

seven seven or one forty forty seventh Street

1:16:11

and Broadway seventh

1:16:14

frogs seven frogs,

1:16:17

so barrels over some barrels.

1:16:19

Tony Rome was across the street. So we

1:16:22

upend up. I didn't know that white

1:16:24

some creem. Did you creep over there

1:16:26

and get a rap beef rim to the coast? Slow? No,

1:16:30

I was gonna me your buzzet was pluck you and

1:16:33

fucking get

1:16:36

to out. They

1:16:40

was checking it from town cars. I'm tying

1:16:42

the real I remember coming

1:16:44

in. You showed me to stay well,

1:16:51

keep out. I

1:16:54

was gonna budget. Now,

1:16:57

let's keep it Greensbury. Let's keep it Greenberry.

1:16:59

Now. I woke into Nelson trying

1:17:02

I gonna talk to you. Don't talk to me like that.

1:17:05

They don't know what did you don't talk to me like that? He

1:17:07

said, you're trying to got the chunk. John's on

1:17:10

the office and the office

1:17:12

and I was like, you know what, what is this? What

1:17:17

I'm only talking about, yo? The budget for

1:17:19

the car? Getting getting

1:17:22

serious, I said, yo, man,

1:17:25

And then he showed me. I think it had like a had

1:17:28

like an addressing ship like where at the

1:17:30

time he stopped the correct

1:17:34

don't even a house. You're

1:17:36

taking this car and go for your man,

1:17:38

and this it wasn't really well this door.

1:17:41

It was like

1:17:44

crazy for that ship cause

1:17:46

only two hours he went there. I went to connect

1:17:49

to McDonald's over

1:17:52

the trying. I said, amazing,

1:17:57

talk to Morton about it. You

1:17:59

were talking at the time. So

1:18:03

I'm like, yo, chicken

1:18:05

wing budget house.

1:18:10

So that's kind of like when he was like, yo, bringing brother.

1:18:12

She has a lot of alue shit. I'm like, my

1:18:15

fun, you didn't bringing things to the show case

1:18:17

ten sax chicken wings

1:18:22

chicken. Yeah.

1:18:25

So okay, boom, now

1:18:29

we we was it from Flex

1:18:31

because I know you said you didn't discover something

1:18:34

funk Flex, but we did a classic

1:18:36

monument to funk flex freestyle

1:18:40

and then that's kind of what set it off

1:18:42

right before too. I think that's when we did it deal

1:18:44

and m M, I remember

1:18:47

this. I ain't gonna lie. That seems kind of I

1:18:49

don't remember Jaggie that around, like because

1:18:53

I remember going to see Flex.

1:18:56

You know what a big he was there that there. No, this is

1:18:58

later, this is later, okay, and

1:19:02

this is a little later because I remember just even

1:19:04

get him to getting him to like even Flex

1:19:06

was fronting on us listen to the record and

1:19:11

he says it to this day, you don't like So

1:19:14

I remember him fronting on the record and I'm

1:19:16

like, oh, bro, like, who is doing like you can't

1:19:19

do this. You have to a

1:19:21

lot of things. He is not a lie, and he

1:19:23

seems like when I've seen the research that when

1:19:26

I'm telling you telling me all the time. So

1:19:29

I'm like, yo, bro, you can't. You can't

1:19:32

like fronting this record right here because

1:19:34

one you didn't never listen to it. Because

1:19:36

I can tell you you don't have nothing to say about

1:19:39

it. You know how somebody who gives somebody something.

1:19:41

But you want me to defending flex without defending let

1:19:43

me let me get because because this is because

1:19:46

in essence, I'm really complimenting it when

1:19:48

I when I get through it, because you

1:19:51

know, you give somebody something and normally

1:19:54

if they funked with it, they're gonna tell

1:19:56

you why they're not gonna funk with it. He

1:19:59

didn't do that, just like yo, because

1:20:01

so am I like, oh, you ain't even listen to the ship.

1:20:04

But I was like all right, cool. I was like, alright,

1:20:06

cool, I see how I gotta do this. Dude. I'm gonna

1:20:09

just be in his face every time you look up.

1:20:11

I'm not gonna say nothing to him. I'm not gonna ask

1:20:13

him to play it again. Every he's gonna know when

1:20:15

he looks at me why I'm here, and we just walk

1:20:18

away, you know what I'm saying. So I would go anywhere

1:20:20

he was at. I win, can't

1:20:23

break out. I

1:20:27

pop up at the tunnel sometimes if

1:20:29

I have no money, we keep it greenberry.

1:20:32

But I got just enough to get a bottle. And

1:20:34

if you win the tonnel, the floor was like

1:20:36

in Boof was up there, and I'd

1:20:38

go like this, so he can't.

1:20:41

He can't not look at me because

1:20:43

he's like this now reflects

1:20:45

me here and they don't drink, but take your

1:20:48

yeah, and I want you to take it bottle

1:20:52

and I break out. Kept doing that for dumb low

1:20:56

and then we went up too hot Lady Cheven. Now this is

1:20:58

when we go to Hani Chevon and

1:21:00

he's like yo, y'all off to the side a little

1:21:02

bit. And obviously

1:21:04

I can tell he didn't really know us, because even me

1:21:06

before saying because he was like, yoh man, I don't really feel

1:21:09

it. But you know what, That's why I say. He's

1:21:11

official in his way and he's

1:21:13

a leo like me, so he got to be

1:21:15

calling it. You know what I'm saying, so factual

1:21:18

you already know. So I was

1:21:20

like something came to me like, there's

1:21:22

a lot of magic in this album. Man, it's just just ship

1:21:25

to me. When he

1:21:27

said that, something came to my mind

1:21:29

that happened that I happened to be in

1:21:31

the room when they bring him

1:21:33

the wood chain record. I remember what

1:21:36

he said. He was like, Yo, that's gonna never

1:21:38

go nowhere. Well so

1:21:42

now I'm like, he's

1:21:45

like, yeah, I said, Yo, you said wood change

1:21:47

weren't going to where he was stuck.

1:21:51

That's how you he said. But

1:21:54

that's you're

1:21:57

for the brows. I

1:22:00

couldn't saying now

1:22:03

Flix gave it to him any

1:22:06

any any fucking that's when we went up there,

1:22:09

and we went up there. Big

1:22:11

was there? No? Big was that was

1:22:13

that? That wasn't that time? Anyway, he

1:22:15

plays the record, I aven fun. He plays

1:22:17

the record, and after

1:22:20

he played the record, he

1:22:23

it wasn't It wasn't till wide though. It

1:22:26

wasn't nilling what you know what it was. I

1:22:29

wasn't even note that fun see

1:22:32

that this time is shaky. I remember my ship at

1:22:34

that a time of shaky because a lot was going

1:22:36

on, a lot was there was a lot of stretch

1:22:39

in the air. Because Phil

1:22:41

woke with me, because I was about to go.

1:22:44

I was about to go earlier on Uh

1:22:49

it was paradox and

1:22:52

that's why. That's why Martin convinced

1:22:55

me. It's like, yo, you gotta put that on them or album.

1:22:58

I didn't want to do it because I didn't want you take

1:23:00

away from my manch I

1:23:02

didn't want to take it that record. I didn't want

1:23:04

to take away from my mask me

1:23:07

every day to put that. And I was like, now because in

1:23:09

my mind, I didn't want people I'm

1:23:12

not trying to at the time, you want to overshadow

1:23:14

him. Because I was like, no,

1:23:16

I don't want to problem. I gotta stop before a

1:23:18

little bit because Doug Paradise was still after

1:23:20

to or what. It was

1:23:23

still a telling why before

1:23:26

whatever the drying

1:23:29

was, because you know what I

1:23:31

wanta tell you? Why don't combredation was before

1:23:34

because him get it definitely before the album

1:23:37

because they forced me to get that

1:23:39

third verse when I felt like, yeah, I remember that. I felt

1:23:41

like, Doug Paradise is perfect with just your poem,

1:23:43

and it was like, you know, to make it a component Mariaga record,

1:23:46

I would have to get on that recordly right, because

1:23:48

he was already like flex already into it. I

1:23:52

gave him the DJ. It was like it

1:23:54

had that old school that

1:23:59

short day, so like that I gotta be you

1:24:01

know, it was it, But what it was,

1:24:03

I'll tell you what it was. We were

1:24:05

still working on the album. We did

1:24:07

tell on why it

1:24:10

wasn't in that form way. We was even raid to choose

1:24:12

this. Suld

1:24:14

added later too, Yeah, because

1:24:16

because in my mind till

1:24:19

on what came out first. I

1:24:21

remember that I too came out. It

1:24:24

wasn't before

1:24:26

we did it was right,

1:24:33

you got no, that's right. I remember

1:24:35

that I came out when I was in YAP. That's right. I

1:24:38

was getting sick as remember I used to Right, we

1:24:40

shot the video, but we did the same I was

1:24:42

going away like a week in a week were

1:24:45

going away, That's right. We did

1:24:47

try the way that that weekend before

1:24:49

we shot the video, and I want to say thank

1:24:52

you for crash hit cars still making it away

1:24:58

was definitely after but yeah,

1:25:01

because we didn't. I kicked. I kicked the judge

1:25:03

in the face. The judge in the face. Oh

1:25:06

yeah, yeah,

1:25:09

we have switched actor. But I told you, but

1:25:11

I'm told him. I was like, I'm kind of big and ship. I don't

1:25:13

think I should jump and run with

1:25:16

the boots on and I'm just gonna stop on his

1:25:18

glass top test. I didn't say

1:25:20

that. I didn't say that. He was like, now

1:25:22

he'll be fine. I'm

1:25:24

running down the aisle like this, you know, in the court it goes

1:25:26

like this, I'm jumping on the test,

1:25:29

but I'm supposed to fake to kick kick

1:25:32

split this whole ship up. She

1:25:35

was crazy. But but

1:25:37

I remember stunt perrumps. Yeah,

1:25:39

I don't remember because I didn't getting shot for that, so probably

1:25:43

I was probably like that record. It

1:25:46

was all like that record that's crazy because

1:25:48

it was that's like the moving parts,

1:25:50

you know what I'm saying, Like those are all remember in

1:25:53

the beginning, when you do something that you don't want to

1:25:55

do, if it feels crazy, like

1:25:57

like I was, what did I have? Yeah?

1:26:00

And I was telling him, oh, no, was

1:26:03

the record that I didn't like. I

1:26:05

wasn't pushing he sad head,

1:26:09

It was ain't right, Okay, okay, okay, do you know what I like?

1:26:11

You know, you put it like I

1:26:16

always playing it to him. How sometimes

1:26:18

you can make a record, put a budget behind

1:26:20

it, and then you

1:26:23

could not like the process of not like it.

1:26:25

And that was pretty much what Doug Paroday

1:26:27

Stiff and me. It wasn't like I made the record or have anything

1:26:29

to do with the record. But once in the backup came out, I

1:26:32

kind of was like, yo, let them shine, like you

1:26:34

know what I mean, Like it's cool. And then

1:26:37

um, when the when the label was

1:26:39

forcing me to because it was crazy

1:26:42

because here in small labels forced you to

1:26:44

do things I

1:26:48

wouldn't say make sense to me. They

1:26:50

said, you listen, this is a component. Yeah,

1:26:53

you know what I mean. So, um, and I did it. It was

1:26:55

which is crazy if

1:26:58

you were you remember that

1:27:01

verse that I used on the Paradise

1:27:04

was the verse that I used on the

1:27:07

original I'm leaving. This is

1:27:09

original I'm leaving. It's

1:27:12

the same exact because I came in and

1:27:14

they were like that's that's

1:27:16

no, and I was like really

1:27:19

another, alright, cool, So when they though Paradise,

1:27:21

I used the same exact verse, and

1:27:24

you know, eventually, um, I was wrong. Paradise

1:27:27

worked unique studios

1:27:30

right easy, LP Boom going

1:27:34

to Trash just disappeared. We don't know

1:27:37

where they were at. Were

1:27:39

stapped that earlier. We can't that

1:27:43

y'all be disappearing Like

1:27:45

I'm mic and the halfs are doing a little crazy days.

1:27:50

Don't be blinding, don't be blocking. I'm

1:27:54

speaking to you in the phone. You like, yoh,

1:27:57

okay, you remember, like

1:28:00

I'm in this this green E s three hunting,

1:28:03

so I'll come over. I'm like, Who's whip is this? Because I know it's not your

1:28:05

with like this is nausious with I'm like, I'm a nastis

1:28:07

with what's going on? And you pushed

1:28:10

play on a cassette and it's I'm leaving

1:28:12

when you just came back from messing with Dre.

1:28:15

I promise you. I said things about

1:28:17

it like

1:28:20

okay, let me let me, let me describe to this is

1:28:22

this is exactly what happened. Oh

1:28:27

I was at my mother's house and my mother

1:28:29

played this record. Oh don't

1:28:31

let it go to your head now using

1:28:35

no no, not at the time what

1:28:38

they before?

1:28:40

You never know they use that record before the

1:28:43

time you're talking about when when you made I'm leaving

1:28:46

brand Newbian's already made it and trust me, trash

1:28:48

this me is waiting more than meat

1:28:51

me on this one. I made it first.

1:28:54

What don't coach? I know that's

1:28:58

yeah, I made that early.

1:29:00

Would that beat call? I'm leaving,

1:29:02

I would call easy LP. Trust me, this was

1:29:04

my first time producing the record. I'm

1:29:08

not wrong with this fun you used

1:29:10

that, and you use that beat me

1:29:12

out. Different

1:29:15

part of this

1:29:18

is mine. Yeah,

1:29:22

stop that, man, you

1:29:26

talking about what was happening. Okay, So

1:29:29

I couldn't get you all. You couldn't get get Jo. I

1:29:35

heard it do dom Doom

1:29:38

to Doom, to Doom, easy

1:29:41

LP, easy LP. So I know exactly because

1:29:43

that's all I knew was Dom do doom and

1:29:48

easy For some reason exactly

1:29:53

that you said, uh

1:29:56

Sam mask, I think you're saying that because it was

1:29:58

right around the corner from right track. So

1:30:00

that's where me and y'allp we went.

1:30:03

We did it. The

1:30:05

record came on and for some reason

1:30:08

I did, I'm leaving

1:30:11

on the next thing. I don't know, man,

1:30:13

I don't be back again. Yeah,

1:30:15

pray for me. I'm damn man, I tell

1:30:18

for me. And

1:30:21

I mean I thought I killed it. I killed

1:30:24

this ship walking

1:30:26

and he was like, yo, that's y'all. I

1:30:29

just walked through too. I was laterly he was like

1:30:32

that ship whack I

1:30:39

did not right? You know what? Did not say?

1:30:42

It was back? Don't don't lie. You know what you

1:30:44

know what, I'm wrong for putting it that harshy.

1:30:47

You definitely said something more, but she took it.

1:30:49

You took it that I heard that is whack.

1:30:52

That's what I heard. You didn't hear what you wanted

1:30:54

to hear. That's what he didn't

1:30:56

hear when he wanted to hear it. So I was like, damn,

1:30:58

oh, listen, hold on, capone,

1:31:00

ain't packed me up. So I was like this just

1:31:06

me. It was hard, and

1:31:08

then trying to say, like you what

1:31:13

you just see? You just see it was good. I

1:31:15

said, I like the record, butts

1:31:19

just so, I'm

1:31:22

like, man, I noticed records. I

1:31:24

noticed records something, bro, I know this

1:31:26

is some poem. You're gonna get

1:31:28

a castro. This

1:31:31

is actually if

1:31:33

you wouldn't have said you didn't like that record,

1:31:36

they were me you know that,

1:31:39

So thank you for not like it. I'm

1:31:45

being I'm being funny. Let me just finished.

1:31:47

I bet I'm being funny. I am being funny. Don't take it like

1:31:49

that. But what happened was this was

1:31:51

my first time because I started

1:31:53

to understand that pop Daddy doesn't

1:31:55

really produce. Pup Daddy takes

1:31:58

something that he thinks it's dope. Brings it to

1:32:00

someone at someone helps create

1:32:02

his vision for it. I wasn't say that. I was trying

1:32:05

to do what you compared to

1:32:07

You said, we sample like Havoc

1:32:10

and not like puff Daddy, and you let me just tell you something

1:32:13

for the moment. Definitely right,

1:32:15

No, but you know what I did say that, and

1:32:17

like I said, I'm not always fucking right. I

1:32:19

can take one of two or three four, but but I don't

1:32:21

even know I was just right. I like that. I like my hundreds

1:32:23

just right. So I like I

1:32:27

said, fucking I said fucking just

1:32:30

just a friend was whack. I

1:32:32

was a bad call. That

1:32:35

was a bad I those words, those

1:32:39

words. I'm not always right. I'm accountable

1:32:41

for my ship. I ain't gonna throw the rocket high in my hand.

1:32:44

But you would have made n O R E regardless because

1:32:46

it was guesting for you to make it. Yes, take

1:32:49

you. I appreciate that, respect that as

1:32:51

well. But what I'm trying to tell you was that was the

1:32:53

motivation was because I

1:32:55

sat there and I was like, yeah, this is a record.

1:32:57

I felt fitted I was ready

1:32:59

for Neptunes almost before the Neptune's

1:33:02

because I was sitting back like Martin

1:33:06

Oh, I

1:33:09

think, I think, I think what

1:33:11

that was is like this

1:33:14

how just how I take is my my my perspectives,

1:33:17

we need it. You was like and because

1:33:19

you said it to it, that's why I'll admit it. You

1:33:22

say, Yo, that was when it's your first time ventuming

1:33:24

out side of influence and

1:33:27

you see your independence as a mean, it's

1:33:30

a great feeling and you gotta

1:33:32

get that because and I understand

1:33:34

that you just said it. So that was You're going,

1:33:36

oh, ship on boom boom,

1:33:38

I'm putting this whole ship the yellow And

1:33:41

I get that now. At the time,

1:33:43

I ain't get that. I'm just hearing what

1:33:46

the original vision was. So

1:33:48

that's in my head, you know what I'm saying, and that's

1:33:50

what got us at that point. But division

1:33:53

evolves and that's just fucking

1:33:55

life. But you know, you know I

1:33:58

was grateful for because you know, the

1:34:00

next session just like that identical

1:34:03

was bloody money was

1:34:07

um unique

1:34:10

studios. I'm

1:34:13

sorr because I don't know, I feel like I keep blowing y'all luck,

1:34:15

but y'all when your

1:34:17

blowing me, y'all was doing. But just make sure you telling

1:34:19

you, yeah, you know the school yourself from

1:34:21

your true y'all was late crazy,

1:34:28

he was sky

1:34:36

talk man. He was

1:34:38

never late. Yeah, never sticky.

1:34:42

That's this

1:34:45

is. Let me be late

1:34:47

man. Now, this guy you

1:34:52

get for show the phone, don't tell

1:34:55

me truth, don't.

1:35:06

I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest to tell

1:35:08

you the truth I know to tell you, to tell

1:35:11

you, I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest with y'all to

1:35:13

tell y'all was more experience

1:35:15

than me in the studio. So I can't say y'all

1:35:18

took it for granted or something like that. But y'all

1:35:20

kind of game there when y'all wanted

1:35:22

to, when y'all wanted to, when I

1:35:24

was when y'all said I

1:35:27

would be there at five. I don't

1:35:29

need that at four or forty five and be scared

1:35:31

to say I was there, Earl, bro, I can't come here and

1:35:33

you talk to come here. I can come

1:35:35

there at six o'clock. I'm gonna

1:35:38

call you and like y you at the studio studios

1:35:40

at four. I don't need to be that form. I

1:35:43

need to be there before closing to make sure

1:35:45

it's good. I don't need to be there for I

1:35:47

gave you to make tools. Well, I gotta be there

1:35:49

for you. Rushed

1:35:53

to be like

1:35:59

you're okay, okay, straight

1:36:02

that, but don't do like you was. You

1:36:04

know what I'm saying. I'm with y'all, what

1:36:08

dolf. What I'm trying

1:36:10

to tell you is a lot of the solo

1:36:12

records, Let's just be clear, a lot of the solo records

1:36:15

that were made on the album from

1:36:17

me, it

1:36:19

was because I was just sitting there, boy listening.

1:36:22

No, it wasn't because you're seen that boy sitting

1:36:24

there, because you was from me. I'm

1:36:26

making seem like he was action I'm

1:36:28

talking to exactly this

1:36:31

board is he was. Boy?

1:36:33

You know what I listen? You

1:36:36

were with the one about to go to jail. Yes,

1:36:38

yes, very true. You went to Jersey and

1:36:40

now you're about to go to a real prison. You aren't

1:36:42

the one about to go. This man to tell

1:36:45

you we we both was

1:36:47

like your son, you gotta make records and I'm gonna

1:36:49

keep you. I wasn't late even before he was

1:36:51

going to jail to come.

1:36:54

Is the even guy here? I don't talking

1:37:01

wine, Come on, wine, I ain't killed Lake with

1:37:04

black. Don't

1:37:07

go ron, No, don't know what it's

1:37:10

not Norm's a beast like he's

1:37:12

a hard worker. Right, so he's

1:37:14

like you never said after

1:37:16

you, So I think you said you're just like no, no, no no, I

1:37:19

can take a couple man and Crimina.

1:37:22

I'm saying it's the same thing. Bro.

1:37:24

Hold on one second, mom, keeping

1:37:26

green mind. She think you ain't shot up that

1:37:28

receion on time, brocause you

1:37:31

called me a couple of times with it. You just say

1:37:37

that exclude don't

1:37:41

stop it, don't do that, stop that,

1:37:45

don't come on serious,

1:37:50

that serious dominant

1:37:53

finger. I

1:37:56

to save my tokens. If

1:37:58

I just saved my tokens. Now

1:38:01

your seven Street,

1:38:04

you know why I love to go to Manhattan at that? Oh

1:38:06

my god, y LL

1:38:09

need to rewrite them. Buy you with me?

1:38:12

Got me? I can't be with that

1:38:14

rable mans you know super

1:38:17

Shakespeare in slie version, y'all

1:38:23

are you? But

1:38:33

that's so funny. That's what was my side of the Oh

1:38:35

my god, everyone have the old side of

1:38:37

the check. But that where I was

1:38:39

to know back then? You know that you

1:38:42

know what the fucking MoMA che side she right?

1:38:44

Now? Technology level the playing

1:38:47

field with everything, right. I

1:38:49

wish I wouldn't recorded every game be

1:38:52

it the start difference, Oh

1:38:59

my god, make

1:39:02

itself look amazing. It's

1:39:06

almost as if he thinks, somebody before

1:39:09

the ship comes in the table, I'm

1:39:11

scary. Man's scary. It looks

1:39:13

like he said, I have studio.

1:39:15

Wait where you guys know. I'm gonna be

1:39:18

honest. I was

1:39:20

really bu I really really,

1:39:23

I was really glassed. You know what it was not

1:39:27

Listen, listen, Let's just be clear.

1:39:30

It wasn't. I don't know. No

1:39:33

matter how much I say this, it doesn't

1:39:35

mean if it if it comes off in a

1:39:38

crazy way. But Wayne's bridge

1:39:40

was privileged, had bro

1:39:43

nobody, nobody. Let

1:39:48

me tell you something I have the same day,

1:39:52

he said, the same day, not

1:39:55

a more report episode. Listen, this

1:39:57

is the same not because now the

1:40:00

this real brothers coming to I mean, it's not

1:40:02

a scripted politically correction. It's

1:40:04

the same man. It's how we get him in the ship. Listen,

1:40:07

go back a few episodes. The same

1:40:09

man says, you know, but Queen's reasoning his hate

1:40:11

each oller. So when you say we had this and

1:40:14

that you call you.

1:40:16

You obviously said in previous I love how you put

1:40:18

oranges and apples together. It's not gonna work, though, though.

1:40:21

Let me just tell listen, it's

1:40:23

just nose

1:40:26

right used to go to quez Queens because artists used

1:40:30

to see Maddie see on the hill with

1:40:34

other neighborhood you want to see Maddie

1:40:36

see the guy who signed fucking Baggy

1:40:38

Smalls and Marthy hanging

1:40:41

out in the most drug infested

1:40:43

corn all right America.

1:40:46

Because because because this

1:40:49

is the time for Queens was now west, the

1:40:51

artist wasn't necessarily

1:40:53

being unified. This is why a lot

1:40:55

was going on because if I went

1:40:58

that though, yeah, but but but that's

1:41:01

the reality of it, you know what I'm saying, Like I was surprised.

1:41:04

I'm gonna say, there's a lot of things happen because

1:41:07

they were meant to happen because it was

1:41:09

so much backstory ship going on that people

1:41:12

don't know about that. And

1:41:14

there's certain things I'm not gonna get deeply

1:41:16

into because of my technity

1:41:18

level and what I am. Like I'm I'm you

1:41:20

know, I'm a journalist as well, but I'm not gonna

1:41:23

go too deep in certain things because we're

1:41:25

friends, were family. But it was a lot of behind

1:41:27

the scenes ship going on that people

1:41:29

didn't realize. And to me, if

1:41:32

that weren't there. Things

1:41:35

could have went different directions. They obviously went

1:41:37

when it was supposed to beat, but

1:41:40

there was a lot of work because you

1:41:43

know, I'm looking at we're looking at working

1:41:45

with have but if I was ship

1:41:48

going on with other people in his camp with my

1:41:50

people, so to speak, and no, Like

1:41:52

that's why I gotta say, you know, I gotta thank nas,

1:41:55

thank you Bro. I gotta thank I gotta

1:41:58

thank nwas for getting on calm down, all

1:42:00

these things are moving punsh I

1:42:03

gotta think having because even

1:42:05

with a lot of back ship, that ship

1:42:07

going on, brother

1:42:10

hold on as far as brother, as

1:42:12

far as us what he's

1:42:14

kind of like, you know, his entourage trying to speak,

1:42:17

Yo, the bro still came through for me. We

1:42:20

asked them to guess And when you look

1:42:22

at that in retrospect compared to now,

1:42:26

that's an amazing thing for this is

1:42:28

to happen, It's amazing. Don't

1:42:30

forget that, bro, because she could have gone.

1:42:33

It could be a lot of alternate realities and in his

1:42:35

front from people. Don't forget that, like

1:42:38

that ship was were apartment. You know what I'm

1:42:40

saying, Like she could have That's

1:42:42

like how many times they have like the universe

1:42:45

just came together. Now, not to get too deep, but

1:42:47

its reality, like all of these things

1:42:49

going on that y'all don't even know about. But they're

1:42:51

still showing up. Got got feelings

1:42:54

to its each other for deep ship, we're

1:42:56

still showing up. That's deep to me. That's

1:42:58

beautiful because you got it's amazing, right

1:43:02

unless you behind the mask here? That

1:43:07

was she right and the

1:43:09

preference I

1:43:12

thought that was we're all wrong.

1:43:14

She she kind of came up

1:43:16

with that whole cursion. I

1:43:21

don't remember that story

1:43:24

here, who's the trader? I'll

1:43:26

go all that, yeah,

1:43:28

revealing, revealing right saying it's

1:43:36

a beautiful soul right

1:43:38

here because because yeah,

1:43:41

all right, So by the way, this is this

1:43:44

is what this is. This is what a lot of people don't know. One

1:43:49

we bagged Queen's

1:43:51

bars niggas not to come into the left right

1:43:53

niggas picture. This is

1:43:55

the one thing that us in both pictures this

1:44:03

twenty is little secret. Uh

1:44:09

you know know was in the VOCs is no

1:44:13

brother So that was a joke. The

1:44:15

trader park that no room, the trader

1:44:17

part. He

1:44:21

pulls the trader, you

1:44:26

know, I know what I'm saying. He's like you

1:44:29

know what I'm saying. Let's

1:44:32

try. We took the picture. We said, everybody

1:44:35

from Q say, you stay on your QB

1:44:37

side. Everybody from left back may

1:44:39

surely you stay on the left back side. There's one

1:44:42

person this whole thing that

1:44:44

is in both I'm

1:44:47

so glad no one knew this ship. I thought

1:44:49

this was I was one of the you

1:44:52

know I was. I went to the art director, you

1:44:54

know I was. He

1:44:58

say, vacation right there, a little

1:45:02

no one else, but you

1:45:04

don't know what it is. Bottom

1:45:08

g it's your cousin, sir Bottom. Yes,

1:45:11

yes, good,

1:45:17

name's Wally.

1:45:20

See Wally, I'm creamy right in the middle.

1:45:23

And then Wally all right, keep

1:45:28

me all

1:45:31

right? So traded.

1:45:38

Yes, it starts from there, starts

1:45:41

the story. Yeah, it starts from their

1:45:43

things. He's

1:45:46

the origin story. Let's go. So,

1:45:50

what's the arch diirectic name? He went on, Eric,

1:45:53

Eric, It's Erica

1:45:56

the architect. The polls the more import

1:45:58

um. He's

1:46:01

very easy, he's don't doing the stage,

1:46:03

very good, very successful.

1:46:06

It's really successful. And by the way,

1:46:08

he kept working with us just because of this. He

1:46:10

was just like, yeah, I'm blown up and way beyond

1:46:12

this down and will be y'all messing with

1:46:14

y'all. But I'm gonna still sunk with y'all because Eric.

1:46:19

Eric. So

1:46:24

what happened was after

1:46:29

I came to him and he showed me, he

1:46:31

showed the picture, someone

1:46:34

from my hood took the stand. Oh,

1:46:37

I don't know if he took the stand on the word

1:46:39

is he snitched on that. I

1:46:42

look at the inside of my album cover.

1:46:44

I'm like, wow, yeah,

1:46:53

I can't do this. He should? We should?

1:46:55

Wow? Eric? Was this

1:46:58

mean what Wally?

1:47:00

He goes? Wally was in both pictures

1:47:04

that we got bigger problems we

1:47:09

eventually forgotten, but

1:47:12

he said so we we We was obviously

1:47:14

it's just my fault. It was give me, it's

1:47:16

my problem. So they probably didn't reach

1:47:19

you all at all. And he hit me and said, why

1:47:21

don't we sellow him out? And I

1:47:24

was like, sell a wet him out? And I was like, what

1:47:26

does that mean? Like the like

1:47:28

when they do the girls girls. He's

1:47:31

like, yes, like that and I was like a cool

1:47:34

And then he sent me our image and it was like great

1:47:36

at first. Then the next image was black and

1:47:39

then the next image he sent it and he put

1:47:41

snitch on it, and I was like damn, because

1:47:43

we don't really know if he snitched. We know he gave up information,

1:47:47

you know, but we didn't know if he full fledg was

1:47:49

dead. And then they was like, all right, cool,

1:47:51

So they said how about Trader, and I was like, that's perfect,

1:47:54

and we went there and that was it. But

1:47:57

we never actually corrected the real

1:48:02

cousin. It's not this

1:48:07

is just me and him is not right? You mean trying

1:48:11

to call it? What's

1:48:14

it doing? Is going has going up?

1:48:17

That's y'all. I'm not it's

1:48:21

never gonna right now. Crazy,

1:48:25

we didn't know. Listen, I'm gonna ask

1:48:27

y'all this whole time, I'm thinking, I'm

1:48:30

singing, y'all, actress, I was no,

1:48:36

you gonna remember remember no

1:48:43

right you winding cloud. He took

1:48:45

this very girl d

1:48:49

do it wrong and it

1:48:52

all starts and how that's

1:48:56

how it looks you just starting everybody

1:48:58

right? No, no, you just try was

1:49:01

jous Crazy

1:49:05

said it was the original question. Yea,

1:49:08

when he tradized.

1:49:11

I didn't meet with him because of the trade. I met

1:49:14

with him because he said, I got a problem. You

1:49:16

gotta remember, he's in the middle of the hood,

1:49:18

left back and Queens Ridge. I remember he brought

1:49:20

the sand because there was no sand.

1:49:24

So we're in the middle of Quez which he's

1:49:26

making sand and Nicks isn't sitting

1:49:28

around like a

1:49:31

lot,

1:49:41

So that's what I'm saying. I'm

1:49:43

not even sure if you got to pick

1:49:46

out the cn them pictures. I know you guys to figure

1:49:48

out promo pictures. I remember that. It's one of my favorite

1:49:50

memories. Me and You're sitting around with a nicheck picking

1:49:52

out us with a nail on. We thought we was flying,

1:49:56

that I was flying and got the favor races. Definitely

1:49:59

was that shouts? So

1:50:03

did you did you get to pick out the worried pork pictures?

1:50:05

What you mean? I got to see the prototyest,

1:50:07

but I didn't get the Actually, remember

1:50:09

I was getting stickers on notebooks. They

1:50:12

don't tell me you traded you saw

1:50:14

that live or you knew that. I

1:50:17

knew I was physically there because

1:50:21

you were when it was a metal system,

1:50:23

right. Yeah, I don't know me up with the wily

1:50:26

ship, but

1:50:32

that's my man. By the way, I did the ron artest

1:50:35

because I know the riches. I know the origin

1:50:37

now being that, But I was getting

1:50:40

all my promo work or notebooks

1:50:42

because you can't have stickers and jail. It

1:50:44

would send me a black and white notebook and sent

1:50:46

me proves to approve like you like this like

1:50:49

this, Yeah, so

1:50:52

I had ten fifteen black

1:50:55

and white notebooks and jail. Actually

1:50:58

my prototype. You know what's

1:51:00

crazy about you is um And

1:51:03

I didn't realize this to the other day. Um, like

1:51:06

you were becoming a star, and as

1:51:09

you became a star, you were I

1:51:11

was just I was just saying that I'm

1:51:13

talking a solo over school ball man

1:51:16

so Cayron and ship that year

1:51:18

he actually coming to but he was like he

1:51:22

was like your son, like besides

1:51:24

slick Ring, which is

1:51:26

which is because slick Ring made

1:51:29

it. Then he went to jail. Poet

1:51:31

is like probably the first one making

1:51:34

it in there and came home to the situation

1:51:37

most dudes come home to a burnout. The

1:51:39

career is over. He matter of fact,

1:51:42

he is the first one. But when I

1:51:44

describe with the burnout is burnout

1:51:46

is basically you're at your best, get

1:51:50

locked up and you come on when you find it out because

1:51:52

you can't keep up with the pipeline. You

1:51:54

know what I'm saying. So I call it you know what

1:51:56

I'm saying, so he's the first nobody.

1:51:58

Nobody even looks at that, he's the

1:52:00

first one to do that because I

1:52:03

thought about Slick right too when when when Kyro

1:52:05

was talking to me solo, so going to me, I'm like,

1:52:07

n slick Rink ain't even really do that because slick

1:52:09

Rink was made all me. Who

1:52:12

wasn't the seventy made so

1:52:15

that that to me, that was kind of all like that makes

1:52:17

it gives another interesting dynamic

1:52:20

to his career because nobody else did that before. But

1:52:23

how did you how did you feel? Like it's

1:52:25

the crazy thing though when the

1:52:27

hour Dreil came that changed didn't

1:52:30

changed my whole life because

1:52:32

it's started in jail. Like my success.

1:52:35

His success started in the street. My started

1:52:37

in jail. The CEO start treating

1:52:39

me different, the negat start treating

1:52:42

there when bad. Both

1:52:45

was you

1:52:47

know like at the end of the day, it's you

1:52:49

know, same ship, but you still felt

1:52:51

the success in there. Yeah, because

1:52:54

at the end of it done this when

1:52:56

I'm okay back and

1:52:59

for me as an end pay the label. So

1:53:01

so I didn't even know that that you had a case. So

1:53:04

like we were little

1:53:08

job, we kept out one

1:53:13

two three. I'm

1:53:17

sorry, he's gonna

1:53:19

go away when

1:53:23

you help

1:53:27

the process of instead take

1:53:29

that chance. When he was ready to get stay

1:53:32

to take that chick here,

1:53:34

I know you wouldn't have that. It's like, we're gonna

1:53:36

take that chick. You girls going. You

1:53:39

crashed your car on the house.

1:53:41

We got out in car and still

1:53:43

made it to my car, brand new Infinity at

1:53:45

that time. So

1:53:54

how did you find out? Was he ejail? No,

1:53:56

he wasn't a jail. It was like a weekly he said,

1:54:02

so likeway

1:54:09

everybody at

1:54:11

least fried. But I didn't know what was going on.

1:54:14

So so finally, you know,

1:54:17

you know, he's being sentenced. So I

1:54:19

was going to court. I'll never get in this day. So

1:54:22

I smashed my car, got in a

1:54:24

cab, made it to the courthouse,

1:54:26

left the car and left the car away.

1:54:31

Show

1:54:34

up. I show up and there's this judge,

1:54:36

his gray haired guy, it's like really

1:54:38

conservative guy, and um,

1:54:42

you know, and he's ready to be sentenced.

1:54:44

And I said, excuse me, uh

1:54:47

you know, the attorney

1:54:49

said, here's someone that wants to DRUGA

1:54:53

five money's levin. I'm

1:54:59

a was the kidding. He's

1:55:04

part of the Capon area, A

1:55:07

wrap room. I

1:55:10

said, yes, a matter of fact, you know they

1:55:12

wrapped and um so,

1:55:15

so I pleaded to him, I said, you know, we're finishing

1:55:17

up the War Report album because

1:55:24

we need to we need to shoot a video. Was

1:55:28

still finishing the record and

1:55:31

so so we gave us more time. Then

1:55:33

the judge got sick, so one

1:55:36

week turned into what like months

1:55:38

months, like three months later, so we're

1:55:40

able to finish the bulk of

1:55:42

the album where to shoot the video.

1:55:45

But it was just crazy. It's

1:55:48

crazy, crazy time. So see

1:55:50

here we are twenty five years later talking

1:55:52

about this. It's a classic. I

1:55:57

don't know. Hello, Look, I want to run. The

1:56:00

realist Hollywood would change everything

1:56:03

was when MTV came to jail to interview

1:56:06

me when he trapped n O r E. That

1:56:09

changed my life bro like like

1:56:12

they didn't believe me, Like they didn't believe until

1:56:14

it was real, like when pop they knew pop.

1:56:17

So when MTV came to interview pocket

1:56:19

was nothing big. But imagine the nigga

1:56:21

like me that got an underground album that niggas

1:56:24

is hearing niggas by the cassents, but an EMTI

1:56:26

motherfucker me come to the jail. I

1:56:30

was a year later, I

1:56:33

was two pot a year and a half later the

1:56:36

niggative interview. The first time

1:56:38