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To on remove Dallin Deep spiegwals

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peas do From

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the Baptist Health Studio. This inside

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the Baptist Help Training Complex.

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This is Drivetime with

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Travis Wingfield.

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He's got my advance

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in the playoffs.

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What is up Dolphins? And

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welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I

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am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on

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today's show, you don't want to miss this one.

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Man, you're already here, so gott I tell you that. But Kyle Krabs

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is here for his second part of his two part

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series. We took a look at the offseason

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so far, but today we're talking about Tua Tongue Biloa,

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how the team can continue to build around him, where he

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can go further in his career, how the offense

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can avoid the loll from the end of the season we saw

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the last two seasons, expectations on defense.

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Under new DC Anthony Weaver, We're going to

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do a bunch of mock draft scenarios, trading up,

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trading down, and the players we prefer it twenty

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one and fifty five and a whole heck of a lot more.

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From the Baptist Hell Studios. Inside the Baptist

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Hell's Training Complex. This is the

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Draft Time Podcast, Maggie first

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Part two with a very great Kyle Crabs. Back

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for part two with my guests previewing the

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Dolphins draft and taking a look at

1:18

the off season so far, basically getting you ready for

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what this Dolphins team could look like Opening

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Day twenty twenty four. Still far away, but right

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now we have the great Kyle Krabs joining

1:27

us on the podcast for the second rate episode.

1:28

Kyle, what is up? My dude?

1:31

Gravis is good to be back fired

1:33

up for a little draft talk here on this episode

1:36

of the Drive Time Podcast.

1:39

Nice nice pause there.

1:40

I have a lot for you I'm gonna throw at you, and I'm not really

1:42

sure how it's gonna go because I just kind of have some general

1:44

ideas and not really scripted out that well. So I'm excited

1:46

to just kind of shoot the breeze, as it were

1:49

with you. But first, this stuff's a little more

1:51

buttoned up, a little bit more formulaic. Let's

1:53

go ahead and talk about the quarterback here, because Chris

1:55

Greer. I love his press conference. By the way, his

1:57

pre draft presser was very very good, very informative,

2:00

and very to the point to the point to where he

2:02

said, you guys can most likely go ahead

2:04

and cross quarterback off your list of twenty one. We'll

2:06

look at every position and we'll take a look at that

2:08

down the line, but at twenty one we feel pretty

2:10

good about the guy we have in house. Right now, Mike McDaniel

2:13

continues to talk about how much he loves Toua's game

2:15

and wants me to be here long term. Just tell me about

2:17

Tua, his arc, where he is

2:19

and year number three for Mike McDaniel here,

2:21

where you think he can get better. Just

2:24

give us the Tuo A skinny man. You talk about this guy

2:26

a lot. This a quarterback of the team you cover. I want

2:28

to hear your takes on Tua Tunka bai Looa.

2:30

Yeah.

2:31

I think reps in schemes

2:34

is important and should not be devalued.

2:37

I think a lot of the discourse around

2:39

Tua is what his strengths

2:41

are as a quarterback versus kind

2:44

of the generally accepted must

2:46

have to be a quarterback at a

2:48

certain level. But when I hear Chris

2:50

Greer and Mike mc daniel talk about Tuas

2:53

still having another level and another gear to

2:55

get to, I generally do believe them,

2:57

and it's maybe not because he has the strongest

2:59

arm in the league or because he's running

3:02

a four to three footy or anything like that. I

3:04

just think there's an efficiency that

3:07

comes with.

3:10

Having so much muscle.

3:11

Memory within the scheme and

3:14

within the plays and where your guys

3:16

are gonna be. And you saw, you know, Tyreek

3:18

Kill alluded to that as far as like year one to year

3:21

two, understanding the timing

3:23

of the offense, more understanding the

3:26

why and how the plays are constructed.

3:29

And I think for a quarterback, it's just understanding

3:31

where all your options are on every given

3:33

play against every kind of coverage.

3:36

And I think for Tua,

3:39

you consider some of the opportunities.

3:43

There were some too mint of offense situations for

3:45

the Dolphins offense last year where you felt

3:47

like maybe there were some easier completions that

3:49

were to be had and they had time, whether they

3:51

had timeouts or not. And I

3:53

think to the Kansas City game, I

3:55

think to the Buffalo game at the end of the regular

3:58

season, there were some throat out

4:00

there that just

4:03

having the muscle memory element

4:06

there, I think gives

4:09

you more consistent efficiency

4:12

in all elements of running

4:15

an NFL offense. And I

4:17

think that's where there is

4:19

another gear to tap into for who

4:21

he is as a player. And I'm really

4:24

interested to see how the Dolphins choose

4:27

to supplement around him, right

4:29

because that's the big thing is the

4:32

league right now, it's so geared towards You

4:35

build up a young quarterback with this really

4:38

strong supporting cast, and you invest around

4:40

him, and then once you pay the quarterback,

4:43

you naturally have to make some transitions

4:45

as far as how you choose to

4:47

assemble around that quarterback

4:50

contract. And for

4:52

Miami that is a long term discussion

4:54

that they won't necessarily have to have in twenty twenty

4:57

four, but you

4:59

will probably start to get an idea

5:02

based off of how that muscle

5:04

memory continues

5:06

to evolve for him.

5:08

That's why I love about his game and his skill

5:10

set is quarterbacks of that ilk that play

5:13

that way tend to get better

5:15

as they age.

5:16

And we've seen it.

5:17

You know so many quarterbacks that played into their thirties

5:19

and even the one guy that played deep into his forties who was

5:21

an anomaly, but for the most part, like

5:23

I thought, Drew Brees was his best and do his thirties.

5:25

You could say the same thing about Ben Roethlisberger.

5:27

Tom Brady, I think was as well, Like all these

5:29

great quarterbacks just kind of get better and

5:31

better because of the like you talked about,

5:33

the reps, the the sustained time

5:36

within the same system, and the must memory that comes with

5:38

that. And we know Tua was out throwing footballs

5:40

in the beach every day with his dad and just harping

5:42

that must memory of accuracy and armslaught and

5:44

all the stuff that he did that put himself in position

5:46

to be an NFL quarterback in the fifth pick of the draft.

5:48

YadA, YadA yah all that.

5:49

My follow up question to that, Kyle is help

5:52

me understand something here, because I talked to myself in the podcast

5:54

a lot. We talked about to his game, and I

5:56

don't get much of a chance to debate this with someone that

5:58

I, you know, think so highly of

6:00

in terms of your opinion of football players.

6:03

Where is this disconnect coming from with

6:06

quarterback play? Because I see it all the time. I see

6:08

it in draft reports like big arm,

6:10

throwball, Fart's all I care about. But man,

6:13

I watch a lot of football, dude, and what always

6:15

wins to me those that are great

6:18

traits to have, but playing the position,

6:20

playing on time, seeing the field being

6:22

a field general like, I don't think

6:24

those things are ever going to go out

6:26

of style. Why is there such a disconnect for what

6:29

actually constitutes good quarterback play?

6:31

Or Am I wrong? Am I completely off based on this?

6:33

Can I be honest with you?

6:34

I think everybody does this at every position.

6:37

I think you get into the pre draft process and

6:39

it exists with offensive

6:42

linemen. I think it exists with edge rushers.

6:45

I think it exists with wide receivers.

6:48

It exists with corners. There's

6:50

a slew of examples of corners that get

6:52

drafted off of what they could be as compared

6:54

to what they tangibly are.

6:57

And it's the Every

6:59

coach is going to have some level of confidence

7:02

that they can bring the best version of a player

7:04

out, and whether or not that's realized oftentimes

7:06

extends beyond the player himself,

7:09

and it extends beyond the relationship

7:11

with the coach and the player. A lot of this is unfortunately

7:14

circumstantial because of how interwoven

7:16

so many parts of these organizations

7:18

are. So I think it's very

7:20

easy to take a step back and

7:23

look at the tools of oh,

7:25

well, just imagine if he does what did what he

7:27

did on these ten plays in this one game every

7:30

time he drops back to pass, and

7:33

that's so much easier said than done.

7:35

But I do think the physical potential

7:38

of upside gets

7:41

romanticized a lot at

7:43

all positions, because when

7:45

you look across the course of history, the

7:48

reason why so many of the highly, highly,

7:50

highly successful players are

7:53

successful is in part because

7:55

they had the tools, but they didn't just have the

7:57

physical tools that you can't teach. There

8:00

is a between the ears elements

8:02

of all of those players as well, and I

8:05

think quarterback, ironically enough, is

8:07

one of the positions where you can

8:10

be more apt to win between the

8:12

ears just

8:15

off of that strength itself, because there's a

8:17

chess match that's involved with that position

8:20

that you maybe don't necessarily get so

8:22

in the weeds with out of the spots along

8:24

the way.

8:25

Yeah, I think maybe there's a little bit more ability

8:27

to have those growing pains with the

8:29

more physical talent as well. But man, I

8:32

just I want a quarterback to plays on time and

8:34

in rhythm and understands the position.

8:36

That's my number one thing. But what

8:38

the hell do I know?

8:39

Speaking of that, this offense was clicking on

8:41

a high level last year and kind of slowed

8:43

down towards the end, just kind of to put

8:45

we're gonna go offense and defense are to close this segment,

8:48

just kind of talking about what you think could happen this

8:50

year offensively and defensively. I'm just curious

8:52

what you think this offense could do to

8:54

kind of break the I don't

8:56

want.

8:57

To call it a shrenks.

8:57

It's two years, but the last two seasons

9:00

the offense tapered off towards end. Your quarterback was

9:02

down for a big chunk of that in the first season, but

9:04

last year tapered off in December

9:06

and January. Why do you

9:08

think that was and how do they overcome that

9:10

in twenty twenty four.

9:12

Yeah, I think there's

9:16

I think back to twenty twenty one

9:19

and the I

9:22

guess twenty twenty two and

9:24

the Chargers game was the big game after

9:27

that season that everybody pointed to and all these

9:29

concerns that we had, and

9:31

then who they played the first week is season, they

9:33

played the Chargers, and you very quickly

9:36

found that they found

9:38

a way to push the buttons to alleviate

9:41

that individual concern And I'd like to

9:43

think that coming into a new season

9:45

in twenty twenty four, whatever they

9:47

deemed to be the biggest issue

9:51

was and there's some context clues

9:53

between adding John new Smith and making

9:55

overtures to Odell Beckham Junior. I

9:57

think there's some context clues there as far as

10:01

from a personnel standpoint, what maybe

10:03

could be different to give you more clubs

10:05

in the bag. But I think that's what this all

10:07

boils down to is your evolution

10:10

to not just stay

10:12

the same at what you did the year before,

10:15

or get better at what you did the

10:18

year before, but to have

10:20

that and then add something

10:22

else, to do something else as

10:25

the counteraction, and

10:27

if you log enough time

10:30

together collectively as a unit,

10:33

even if there's new players that are part of it, the

10:36

greater unit will be able to say,

10:38

hey, remember that time in twenty twenty

10:40

two where this team did this to us, Let's

10:43

go back to what we did

10:45

three weeks later when we solve that issue,

10:48

because they're doing that to us in this game three

10:50

years later. So I

10:52

think part of this is stacking

10:55

with new variables, and

10:57

I think that's what I'm most excited about for

10:59

the draft is this will kind of

11:01

be our first chance to

11:04

see outside of John neu Smith,

11:07

what they're committed to investing

11:09

to give them that extra layer that they maybe

11:12

need to avoid some of the same pitfalls

11:14

as last year.

11:15

Yeah, it does seem like a little bit of the focus, at least

11:17

in the beginning of freegency was more defensively

11:19

to kind of get Anthony Weaver his pieces and parts. And

11:22

I'm sure a lot of that has to do with McDaniel and Frank Smith

11:24

being like, oh, we know what we got here, we know we are plans going

11:26

to be to go ahead and make, like

11:28

you said, those changes that are necessary to overcome

11:30

that hurdle.

11:31

But I look at so many teams over the.

11:33

You know, the course of two three decades of watching

11:35

the sport that had to kind of get over that hump,

11:38

and it took some time. It's like, I'm with you, man,

11:40

like sometimes it takes some experience, It takes some losing

11:42

to find out what you have to do to win those spots

11:44

and win those games.

11:45

And hopefully that's the case for the Dolphins this year.

11:47

How about defensively, man, I haven't really had a chance to pick

11:49

your brain too much on this. I've asked my previous

11:52

guests a lot about what they think they're going to see from

11:54

this Anthey Weaver led defense.

11:56

But is it going to be, you know, Ravens

11:58

copy and paste. Is it gonna have different elements? Like what's

12:00

your expectations here for what we're going to see you from the Dolphins

12:02

new defensive coordinator here, Anthony Weaver

12:05

in twenty twenty four.

12:06

I kind of expect it's going to have its own unique

12:08

flavor. When

12:10

you're early in doctrinated by Rex Ryan, I

12:12

feel like that probably never leaves you right

12:14

as far as just the aggressiveness mentality.

12:17

But he's had so many great coaches that he's

12:20

worked with along the way that

12:22

I think you will see a bit of a unique

12:25

product. And obviously he had

12:28

the one year stop as a defensive

12:30

coordinator, and there were some

12:32

circumstances with that football

12:34

team in Houston that I think

12:36

it's probably difficult to get

12:39

a full grasp based off of that personnel

12:41

because good coaches tailored

12:44

their system and their scheme to the players

12:46

that they have. And that is like

12:48

we just got done saying on offense, are

12:50

you going to go out and get another back

12:53

seven, multi use

12:55

player that can play all over the place. Because

12:58

if that's the case, then I expect you

13:00

you're probably going to have a pretty heavy pressure

13:02

style system that wants

13:04

to be able to match personnel

13:07

against heavier personnel or lighter personnel,

13:10

and know that you can pick

13:12

and choose matchups when you go man coverage. You

13:14

can pick and choose who you want in the run

13:16

fit. You can pick and choose who you want playing deep or

13:19

who you want playing middle of the field coverage, based

13:21

on what the strengths are the offense

13:23

that you play. I

13:25

do expect, you know, you will get a little bit more

13:27

rotation up front, which means

13:30

I think you probably, at a minimum, even if

13:32

Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips do have

13:34

ambitious timelines for recovery, I

13:37

think you probably need another pass rusher, and I think

13:39

you need another rotational guy with some ceiling

13:41

on passing downs on the interier

13:43

of your unit. But I

13:46

think you will probably see some

13:50

more pressure tendencies than what the Dolphins

13:52

had last year. But I don't know

13:54

that you'll get like the full wink

13:57

Martin Dale or Rex Ryanix

14:00

experience as an example.

14:01

Yeah, so different in the sense that it's not gonna

14:03

be the same picture pre snap every time. That kind of is,

14:05

you know, developed around confusing the quarterback and presenting

14:08

the same presenting the same presentation

14:10

every single snap to now, it's going to be a little more flexible and

14:12

different. I think they're with what they did in Baltimore

14:14

the last couple of years under Mike McDonald

14:16

and Anthony we run the defensive line.

14:18

So good stuff there.

14:19

We've finally hit the point you've all been waiting for. We're gonna

14:21

talk draft for two full segments here

14:23

coming up after the break. My guest today, Kyle

14:25

Krabs Lockdown Dolphins podcast on the Draft

14:27

Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,

14:29

brought to you by Auto Nation.

14:34

Okay, Kyle, I tease this segment.

14:37

I don't know when it was. I've lost track. We've done

14:40

four segments down two to go. I

14:42

talked about I have done several mock drafts

14:44

where I kind of tried to take different approaches to

14:47

help myself understand and find

14:49

out exactly where the strong points, the soft

14:51

points, the inflection points,

14:53

the markets, strengths and weaknesses

14:55

are for each position at each spot of

14:57

this draft. I know you know about all this because I know you

15:00

do this yourself as well. Just

15:02

kind of trying to put myself as

15:04

best in the shoes of Chris Career and

15:06

the Dolphins front office and kind of playing

15:08

through these scenarios. I know you've worked with you know,

15:11

for big time publications and been

15:13

involved with teams and talked to scouts

15:15

and stuff like.

15:16

That around the legue.

15:16

Our teams doing this, our teams cranking out mock

15:19

drafts and trying to figure out what it could

15:21

look like come draft night.

15:23

I think this is about the time of year where they really get

15:25

into some of those hypotheticals. You know, it's

15:27

for the media. Part

15:33

of our whole subculture is mock

15:36

drafts and player rankings throughout the season,

15:39

and you get to the early pre draft process,

15:42

and then there's another wave because it changes

15:44

with free agency. But

15:47

this is really the time for teams once

15:49

they've set and finalized their boards,

15:51

which is something that happens within

15:54

the first two weeks of April, and

15:56

that all the pro days are done, they're

15:58

done collecting informational players.

16:01

You sit down, you really finalize everything, and

16:03

that's when you really start to look at and say, Okay,

16:05

well, what happens if this happens, what happens, if that happens,

16:07

what happens if this player's here. What happens if these three

16:09

players are here? What happens if all five of these players

16:11

are off the board? And that's where

16:16

that is an exercise that does happen in some

16:18

places that I have been, and we've heard

16:20

from NFL personnel and decently

16:22

ranking NFL personnel that they

16:25

liked utilizing some of the tools that we

16:27

had for going through some of those

16:29

hypotheticals like that, that is a thing that does

16:31

indeed exist. So yes, to

16:33

answer your question, just not as excessively

16:36

and obsessively as the

16:38

media dots.

16:40

I just got into it one day and these are like, I see

16:42

it was from Saturday.

16:43

I was doing this.

16:43

I must have.

16:44

I must have been after like naptime or something. I was just

16:46

cranking out some mock drafts. But to

16:48

your point, you know, obsessively, maybe

16:51

it is a good word for it, because you don't

16:53

know how accurate and this can possibly be. I think somebody's

16:55

mock draft machines. They're all great, but they all have inherent

16:57

flaws, just inherently. There's

17:00

no other word to describe that. Like this one for instance,

17:02

So this is my elite

17:04

top three receiver falls more than

17:06

he should mock draft. And in this case, Kyle,

17:09

if I'm gonna pull my screen up here for you, it

17:11

was Marvin Harrison. We know he's not gonna be there at

17:13

nine, right, He's not gonna last to the Chicago Bears at

17:15

nine. And if he is, they're probably gonna take him in and

17:17

paired with Caleb Williams. But in this instance,

17:19

I traded what in my opinion, was highway robbery

17:21

becas I was able to get you know, I

17:24

was able to get up there for a pretty cheap but it allowed

17:26

me to go get Marvin Harrison. And that's how I

17:28

feel about Harrison, Neighbors, and Oduns.

17:30

I think they're all premier number one receivers

17:33

in this league. Is there a player, is there

17:35

a situation a scenario ethough, you can see

17:37

where the Dolphins move not just a

17:40

little bit, but way up in the draft and go pluck

17:42

one of these premier players.

17:46

Probably not, just because I think you have

17:48

to. You don't

17:50

just have to pay the price to get there. But

17:52

there's gonna be teams in the teams that are trying to

17:54

accomplish the same things. So now you're getting in an open

17:56

bidding war. And I think One of the things that Miami

17:59

has shown through free agency in each

18:02

of the last two seasons and

18:04

generally speaking, is they

18:07

do have some restraint. And I

18:10

know there's people who are fans of

18:12

the team who maybe not don't feel that way, but

18:14

it really does seem like they

18:17

know what they feel the cost is of

18:19

something and they're not going to

18:21

go crazy. You know, the

18:23

Tyreek Hill trade is something in its own animal

18:25

because it's the best wide receiver in the NFL,

18:28

becomes available in his physical

18:30

prime at age twenty nine, and

18:32

you had an opportunity to bring a player

18:34

in that really accentuated what you want to do to offensively

18:37

like that, that's a totally different

18:39

ballgame, right, So

18:42

for Miami to know

18:45

we're coming from twenty one to get

18:47

into the top ten, to

18:50

go get a premiere wide receiver as

18:52

an example, I

18:54

just feel like that cost is

18:56

so high and it kind of flies

18:59

in the face of what everything

19:01

else this offseason has been about. So

19:04

that for me, if somebody falls to

19:06

eighteen, I think

19:08

that's a different story than if somebody

19:10

falls to nine with the Bears.

19:14

Just for me, I'm glad you said that, because my next

19:16

my next simulation here

19:18

is just that real quick for posterity. I showed

19:20

a screen to Kyle. It'd be cool to tell you guys that

19:22

and not tell you the mock draft I did here. So I moved back,

19:24

all right, Rather, I moved up and got Marvin Harrison,

19:27

and then I had the sixty fourth

19:29

picks. I must have traded back again with the Chiefs. I

19:31

dipped into next year's capital to get this move done. So

19:33

I got Jayden Hicks from Washington State, Go Kooks,

19:36

and then Mason McCormick, Theo Johnson, and Jordan

19:38

Jefferson round up my draft there. So that was one

19:40

of the scenarios I played out. Kyle alluded

19:42

to the idea of going up a little bit, and I

19:44

think you and I are pretty in lockstep for

19:46

this, and we're gonna play a game with the third segment taking a

19:49

part of our favorite prospects for each twenty

19:51

first and fifty fifth pick in the draft. But

19:53

I think this guy is probably the one that you and I have talked about

19:55

the most in terms of Hey, if he falls to

19:57

sixteen, seventeen eighteen, maybe it's worth the idea

20:00

trading a third round pick to go up and get him, But it's

20:02

this one, Kyle. I moved up with the Seattle

20:04

Seahawks, who I think would probably be hard

20:06

pressed to not take Troy Fatanu. If

20:08

he is there at that spot, keep him in Seattle, go

20:11

ahead and solve an issue on your offensive line guard tackle

20:13

prospect.

20:13

That's why I just love him so much.

20:15

I think he's a plus left guard right away,

20:17

a future tackle in the league as well. And then I

20:19

went I wound up well, okay, so

20:22

this example is not great because I have on

20:24

you. I saw that second big I made another

20:26

move a camp and got laat lot To. We'll

20:28

talk about him more in a second, but essentially this

20:30

was my like, go get two players draft

20:33

and pretty much exhaust the rest of your resources,

20:35

because I didn't pick again until the late

20:37

in the sixth round for Anthony gold, the receiver out

20:39

of Oregon State, and then Trevin Wallace from Kentucky.

20:41

But not a bad mock draft though, but Fatanu

20:44

a couple spots up. Just tell

20:46

me about the idea of moving a few spots up

20:48

in the draft. How many guys do you think are worth

20:50

that and what is the cost to go up

20:52

just four or five spots in this range of the first round.

20:55

Yeah, so I did a ten year study and it was

20:57

about teams coming up to the early twenties.

20:59

So we like, the price is going to be a little bit higher

21:02

here than what the study was because

21:04

it was more through the lens of Miami

21:06

coming down hypothetically if they didn't

21:08

like what was their twenty one and

21:10

the trade value chart exchanges are

21:13

usually the past ten years. On average,

21:15

it's about in favor eight

21:18

or nine points on the traditional

21:21

trade value chart for the team that is coming down.

21:24

So that means you, as the team that goes up, you

21:27

have to incentivize the

21:29

other team by paying more than the pick

21:31

that you're acquiring is worth. So if you look

21:33

at the trade value chart, just hypothetically you mentioned

21:35

Seattle, the sixteenth pick, according to Jimmy Johnson

21:38

trade chart is worth a thousand

21:40

points. On the trade value chart, number one pick

21:42

is worth three thousand points.

21:44

The last fifty picks in the draft are worth one

21:47

point, right, so it's on a descending scale.

21:49

Miami's pick at twenty one is worth eight hundred

21:51

points, which makes it a difference of two

21:53

hundred points, which is the

21:56

exact value of the seventy eighth overall pick

21:58

in the draft.

21:59

So that's where it gets tough.

22:01

I think for Miami is you

22:03

don't have a three, so

22:06

if you're gonna go up, it probably involves

22:08

a pick swap involving both

22:13

twenty one and fifty five to

22:16

then go up a spot and then

22:18

get something back. Hypothetically

22:21

Seattle, let's see they have eighty

22:24

one, which is worth one hundred and eighty five

22:26

points, which would mean they need to pay Seattle

22:29

about forty points worth of pick,

22:32

which is an early day three draft

22:34

pick. You could theoretically use one of the

22:37

you're three from next year, knowing you're getting

22:39

a three back because that pick

22:41

is devalued because you have to wait twelve months suspended.

22:43

So something like that, I think you'd

22:46

have to involve both of your Day

22:48

one and Day two picks to be

22:50

involved in a trade up, just based off of

22:53

the history and track record in recent

22:55

history of deals in this

22:57

area. The draft getting done because you don't have the three

22:59

to just throw the three in, But.

23:01

You like that the idea, like, is there a player

23:03

that you think makes it that far that you would be gung

23:05

ho about?

23:06

Is it Fatanu?

23:07

It would be Fotanu yeah, is

23:09

the guy who I think

23:12

is a long term stud at tackle, but I

23:15

think could could be a plus starter

23:17

for you inside in the short term. Not this

23:19

similar to how that team chose to handle whin

23:21

Lermie tunsl slid to them

23:24

right, and that twenty sixteen season, Tunsol plays

23:26

at guard with Brandon Albert

23:28

to tackle, and then long term

23:30

Tunsil takes over that spot until he's trained.

23:32

It's it's too easy the comparison to me,

23:35

I just I love the idea of that. We'll see what happens coming

23:37

draft night. My next move before we get into the

23:39

actual stick and pick model I made

23:41

here is the move back concept.

23:43

And the reason I ran into this so often was because

23:45

I kept getting the same in three or four guys that I like at

23:47

pick twenty one, and Chris Graywell tell you there's going

23:49

to be warrant you guys on the board they like in that spot. So

23:52

there could be the idea of stick and pick move back,

23:54

get some extra draft picks. I love the idea

23:56

of getting back into that third and fourth round ranch.

23:58

So I love the top one fifty years so on this year's class.

24:01

But here's this one, Kyle, I moved

24:03

back into the second round. So for the third straight year

24:05

no first round pick. PFF hated my

24:07

selection of Xavier Lagette at

24:09

pick thirty six in the second

24:11

round. There, I then doubled up on Zach Fraser

24:13

and Christian Haynes, the center

24:16

from West Virginia and the guard from Yukon. I

24:18

love what I did to my offensive line on that spot. And

24:20

then Theo Johnson's kind of on all these mock

24:22

drafts. I like his game on Day three

24:24

from Penn State, Jeorge Jefferson again, Brendan Jackson

24:26

or Brendan Jackson, the wshut and Gokooch

24:29

and Tyler Owens at the end of that draft. So the

24:31

idea of moving back and getting two second

24:33

round picks, you say yeay or nay, and kind

24:35

of what's the position or player you

24:38

like in that range.

24:38

If you make that happen.

24:40

Yeah, I think if you move out of the first round,

24:42

I think that's really when you start to get into a sweet

24:44

spot with some of the interior offensive linemen,

24:47

whether that be Zach

24:51

Frasier, who I think has guard center flexibility,

24:53

or Jackson powers Johnson from Oregon who

24:55

sounds like maybe the league is a little bit lower on than

24:58

the mock drafts from February that have him

25:00

going in the top fifteen, or

25:03

you mentioned Christian

25:05

Haynes, who I'm a huge, huge

25:07

fan of. I think there's a lot of scheme translatability

25:10

there for him as a run blocker in this offense.

25:14

Those players, I think are top

25:16

fifty players that maybe

25:18

if you're getting into a conversation about positional

25:21

value and where they authentically

25:24

rank on the draft bar, twenty one might

25:26

be too early to feel like you're

25:28

maximizing the value of your pick. So if

25:30

you pick them fifteen spots later

25:33

and got more picks back, I think that's the

25:35

argument for going that route if you wanted to,

25:37

just because I think then you're maybe not

25:39

reaching for a need, you're instead finding appropriate

25:42

value for that first

25:45

investment opportunity that you have.

25:47

I think the way this draft shakes out, and if you

25:49

take a look at potential needs for the Dolphins,

25:51

and we talked about this in the first episode,

25:53

how we don't want a draft for need specifically,

25:55

but just in terms of how you could

25:58

manipulate the board to get your elf in position

26:00

to take the best player who also satisfies a need

26:02

for twenty twenty four.

26:04

You can do that too.

26:04

And I was gonna flash some more mock drafts that you hear,

26:06

but I think it's best to move on to the next segment because

26:09

essentially I'm covering the players I like in this next

26:11

one. So we'll go ahead and take our last break right there

26:13

and come back on the other side and talk about

26:16

these picks.

26:16

Man, We're gonna go back and forth.

26:17

Kyle's gonna pick a guy, I'm gonna pick a guy, and we're

26:19

gonna see who we like the best of the end in terms of

26:21

who our options are at pick twenty one

26:23

and pick fifty five. That is next my guest

26:26

today, Kyle Krabs and Lockdown Dolphins podcast

26:28

on the Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis

26:30

Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.

26:36

So the reason I did not get into those other

26:38

mock drafts, which featured pretty much each

26:40

one of these guys that I'm gonna talk about here in this segment,

26:42

Kyle, is that I think it picked twenty

26:44

one, there is a really good chance

26:47

you can stick and pick and find a guy that satisfies

26:50

a need.

26:50

Is a guy that I have big.

26:52

Hopes for in terms of his long term upside and

26:54

immediate impact upside as well. And

26:57

so with that in mind, I want to play a

26:59

game much like Jigsaw from the Saw movies,

27:01

this one though, no risk of your life, just trying

27:03

to have fun here on a podcast. The twenty first

27:06

pick in the draft for the Miami Dolphins or blocks

27:08

to Miami Dolphins, I should say this year. And there

27:10

are so many, so many

27:12

variations and variables that could happen that would

27:15

produce a board that gives us different

27:18

options at the spot. And I'm curious just to

27:20

kind of I put a list together my guys.

27:22

I think could be there that I would seleckt

27:24

off of. But let's go.

27:26

Ahead and use your big board here and ask

27:28

the question to you first, who's the number

27:30

one guy that could conceivably be there at twenty

27:32

one that you are saying that's my guy?

27:34

I want to go get him and tell us why.

27:36

Well, I'd like to use the disclaimer

27:38

to talk about the two players that are

27:41

I think home run selections for Miami that I no

27:43

longer think do get there, because

27:45

if they were in play here I and not

27:48

that long ago, maybe it was perceived that they could

27:50

beat Felton, who is one of them from Washington,

27:53

the offensive lineman. There's

27:55

just so much smoke there, and it

27:57

really feels like there is a

28:00

lot of teams in the teams

28:03

that knee offensive lineman, and it feels

28:05

like he's kind of surpassed

28:08

potentially Talis

28:11

Fuaga from Oregon State and potentially

28:13

passed Olufushanu from Penn State.

28:16

So I think that puts him in a stratosphere

28:18

where if he's in play at twenty one, if he

28:20

told me he's on the board of twenty one, that would

28:22

be my pick. If you told me Byron Murphy,

28:25

the defensive tackle from Texas was on the board

28:28

and Troy Fatana was not, that would be

28:30

my pick. I don't think Murphy makes it either. Daniel

28:32

Jeremiah just came out this week and said he feels

28:35

Murphy is the name that he most consistently

28:37

hears across the league. Is the

28:40

sleeper top ten draft selection. Atlanta

28:42

ranis class well. Atlanta's the team I think

28:44

you look at the top ten that probably

28:47

makes the most sense. They're

28:49

often pegged as the first defensive player off

28:51

the board, landing spot with all the quarterbacks were

28:53

expecting to go, and

28:55

I think the take backs that up. That's a player

28:57

for me that I have a top ten great on in

28:59

this class. I have top ten grades on

29:01

both Altano and Byron Murphy. And I did

29:04

all of my assessments through the lens of what

29:06

we anticipate the Dolphins are

29:08

gonna want to need and the traits that they like

29:10

based on what we're expecting it to look like.

29:12

So those are two guys I think are absolute

29:15

home run selections.

29:16

If they're there, Okay, cut them off, then take

29:18

them off the list because I agree with you on Fatano.

29:21

I'm mostly there on Murphy, especially after the DJ

29:23

comment, but I think Fatana is long gone. Let's

29:25

go ahead and remove both those guys. And there's still probably

29:28

some more names here that you and I would bandy about

29:30

about who actually could be there, But go ahead

29:32

and take let's go.

29:33

Let's take three guys each.

29:34

Start with your yours first, and I'll go or alternate

29:36

turns the first guy removing Fatana

29:38

Murphy.

29:39

Who's who's next on the list for you?

29:40

There?

29:41

Okay?

29:41

So I would have it's three

29:43

defensive Lineman's kind of the tier of guys

29:46

that I expect to be there. Or I

29:48

have a realistic chance to be there. It's Jared Verse

29:50

from Florida State, Johnny Newton,

29:52

the defensive tackle from Illinois, and

29:54

Laatu Latu of UCLA are

29:56

the three there. I think two out of those

29:58

three probably do make it too. I think you get a choice

30:00

out of at least two of those three guys.

30:02

That's those are the guys that kept coming up in my

30:04

mock drafts a lot to Adverse and

30:07

then a combination of Newton and Murphy, but Murphy would

30:09

tend to go a little bit earlier as well. I'll go ahead

30:11

and throw the maybe, I don't know

30:13

if it's the curveball. I guess the next line

30:15

of thinking there because you talked about this and

30:17

we're on a segment six now of six, and

30:19

so I forget when it happened, but it was either the first

30:21

episode or this episode. We talked about

30:23

flexibility in the back end and going after more

30:26

you know, chess pieces to move around. It creates

30:29

more of an idea identity of sending

30:31

pressure in your front seven or your front you know, five

30:33

or six, whatever the numbers are at any

30:35

given time. And it's Cooper Degene from

30:38

Iowa because you know, I

30:40

look at this defense and the Ravens the last

30:42

couple of years operating from a high high

30:44

percentage of big nickel three safeties

30:47

and two cornerbacks on the field, plenty

30:49

of dime defense as well, and we just rattled

30:51

off a bunch of defensive backs in this roster that we love.

30:53

And if you want to go ahead and play five or six minute

30:55

time, maybe maybe Cooper Degene can come in right

30:58

away and be a slot corner slow,

31:00

a big nickel safety and kind of almost a Kyle Hamilton

31:02

role where he uses that freak athletic

31:04

ability and just overall versatility

31:07

to kind of impact your defensive backfield. I don't

31:09

hate the concept of that, but I mean, you checked the

31:11

bucks in the first few guys, but I think Degene

31:14

would be the next guy.

31:14

Throwing there as a possibility at twenty one. What say

31:16

you?

31:18

Yeah, I think there's a lot of overlap there.

31:20

I do like him better as a safety. I

31:23

think some of the mystery and intrigue there

31:25

comes with the

31:28

Jalen Ramsey element of a player that can

31:30

move around so much. Is Ramsey

31:33

really you're Kyle Hamilton type of player

31:35

at times? That's

31:37

not to say even if that is the case, I

31:39

think Degene does really well playing

31:42

zones with vision from depth and

31:44

tackling and running the alley from depth. So

31:46

I think that's the makings of a long term tackle. And obviously

31:49

you have Jordan Poyer here towards the later

31:51

end stages of his career, so that is a long term need

31:53

that I think you could have a rotational

31:55

spot available for as well.

31:58

Travis.

31:59

I would want to just throw an offensive lineman out there,

32:01

because I know there's some Dolphins fans

32:03

I know would be absolutely devastated to not here an offensive

32:05

line candidate year. Whichever

32:07

of Talise Fuaga or Graham

32:10

Barton makes it to twenty one,

32:12

I would prefer Fuaga, and if it was Barton

32:14

on the table, I

32:16

personally would like some of the defensive options

32:18

better. But that's

32:21

kind of the names that I'm looking for on the offensive

32:23

line as well.

32:24

I think I'm a little bit higher on Fuologga than you are, but

32:26

I would love him. I think that his tape

32:28

was really really good last year at Oregon State, and he kind

32:30

of gets off the ball quickly.

32:32

He can play tackle and guard.

32:33

I know there's some discussion about whether or not

32:35

he's a tackle of guard but I think that they can make it

32:37

work here at either spot for him, just and how he fits

32:40

what this offense wants to do.

32:41

So I agree with that.

32:42

I did put JC Latham on here, but that's probably

32:44

not a realistic possibility, so we'll go ahead and include him

32:46

in the Fetano.

32:47

And Byron Murphy category. So that's pick twenty one.

32:49

We've discussed this about the idea of the move

32:52

back and how much time do we have here. We got

32:54

about seven minutes left from the chest, so let's go ahead and just jump

32:56

into fifty five. We won't concern ourselves with what could

32:58

happen in that early second round range.

33:00

If there's a guy that you list in this range that you

33:02

think you have to go up for, you can go ahead and clarify that

33:04

for us. But pick fifty five. Man, My list

33:07

is much longer here than is twenty one. But

33:09

I'm curious to hear what you're thinking at the spot positions

33:11

a number of players, and just kind of what you think could happen

33:14

come draft night.

33:15

Yeah, I think this is kind of where you're in the

33:17

honey hole for intier offensive

33:19

lineman, whether that's you know, Jackson

33:21

Powers Johnson, I know there's some medical

33:23

questions there that a

33:26

couple of concussions I believe on his resume,

33:28

dealt with some lower body injuries throughout the course of the season

33:30

in twenty twenty three. I think you'd be better guard

33:32

for Miami than center. I think you'd be

33:34

doing Brewer disservice to not play

33:36

him at center personally, but Powis

33:38

Johnson, Christian Haynes, I

33:41

think Cooper Beebe's in the conversation. There is somebody

33:43

at Kansas State who played offensive tackle

33:46

but has that road grading

33:49

mass, big gravitational pool. I'd

33:52

invoked the name Michael Hall from

33:55

Ohio State and into your defensive lineman.

33:58

I think would get really exciting there as

34:00

well. And then

34:02

maybe if you wanted to really invest

34:05

in another pass catcher,

34:07

you could go wide receiver with Ricky Piersoll

34:10

from Florida. Of I

34:12

know some people don't want Florida wide receivers. You's

34:14

origin from Marizona State, so don't be too hard on

34:16

him.

34:17

And then.

34:19

If you want to go tight end, I think Ben Sinnett

34:22

Kansas State is an.

34:24

Absolute chess piece. Maller

34:26

Man.

34:26

He's super athletic, but

34:29

has good tape and has good potential in the passing

34:31

game, So I think that's a blend of skills that the

34:33

tight end room right now I think has players that have individual

34:36

strengths, but I think he could be all of them

34:38

in one player.

34:39

I feel like this position kind of has I

34:42

feel like, almost more confident about what it

34:44

looks like because there's so many more options to meet

34:46

here at twenty one, it's kind of uddeled and you don't

34:48

know who might be there. But I like, I have like twelve guys

34:50

listen to here, man, there elect for this fifty to fifth pick,

34:52

and you checked a bunch of those off Christian

34:54

Haines as I actually I'm going to

34:56

ask you to make your two selections just based on how

34:58

you think it could go here to close this podcast out,

35:00

spoiler minds a lot to at twenty one Christian

35:03

Haynes at fifty five in terms of guys I think could

35:05

be there. They would make this football team better and

35:07

give us good long term prospects for the future. But

35:09

those are the two guys that I'm kind of locked in on right

35:11

now at this point in time. But man, you

35:13

mentioned Haynes to the receivers, I

35:15

think xavierl Gets probably long gone by now. I

35:18

think probably the same case for Xavier Worthy. I'm

35:20

a big Roman Wilson fan. Still the Michigan the

35:23

Michigan player who kind of lines up all over the place and

35:25

can get vertical and can separate and win.

35:27

Javon Baker from Central Florida.

35:29

Maybe a little bit early on him, but I think that his vertical

35:31

skill set could help up this offense, kind of create

35:33

some more space underneath for guys like Reakin Wadle

35:35

to not run all those takeoff routes and

35:38

only be utilized on seventy percent of your snaps.

35:40

Jermaine Burton is a fascinating study to me because

35:42

he's always open, just didn't really have the ball

35:45

playing from his quarterback last year to make big productive

35:47

plays. And we'll see where he winds up going

35:49

off the board. But those are some names I'm a big fan of. You mentioned,

35:51

Senate Man. He's so much fun to watch. And

35:54

then I'm gonna go ahead and throw another defensive back

35:56

in here on you guys, and Michigan's Mike Sandra.

35:57

Still.

35:58

I think I said that right the slot.

36:00

Long gone by fifty five. He's a stud man.

36:02

He's a dude. He's a total stud.

36:04

He kind of reminds me like a little bit,

36:06

like a little bit of Antoine Winfield Junior.

36:08

A different position, but like just the mentality

36:11

that that the temperament that he plays with the kay reminds

36:13

me of him.

36:13

So good stuf there ahead. I know we're

36:15

up against it, but it is crazy. He played wide receiver

36:18

until two years ago. I mean like he has

36:20

these crazy instincts playing

36:23

nickel corner and he's only been doing it for two

36:25

years. He's an absolute stud, so.

36:26

Only going to get better. Plus like a temperature riser.

36:29

Right, That's my one my terms. I U from the Move

36:31

the Sticks podcast, just an Ultimate Dog, Kyle.

36:33

I teased it twenty one fifty five

36:36

on the clock. What's your picks?

36:37

Jared Vers and Jackson Powers Johnson, I.

36:40

Think we both did pretty good here, sir. I

36:43

think we've both made the football team a lot better today.

36:45

So Jared Verse, I think a

36:48

lot too.

36:48

Ultimately, I think the medicals is the

36:50

conversation get him to slide. I think he the

36:52

pass rus ceiling is going to be too tempting for somebody,

36:55

So I think Verse ends up being the one that's on the board.

36:58

I they like take making

37:00

defensive lineman and ed rushers, and Mike McDaniel

37:02

gave it a little shout out talking about those

37:05

kinds of players when he's been asked about in the past,

37:08

and then like, I don't I think

37:10

Christian Haynes goes before Jackson powers Johnson.

37:12

So I think there's there's some momentum

37:15

there for that. And because of that, I think

37:17

Jackson powers Johnson kind of gets

37:19

into Miami stratosphere. I think that they would take him

37:21

and put him in a right guard.

37:22

Well, you allude to Dolphins Twitter and the reactions.

37:25

If they get JPJ at fifty five, they

37:27

can go ahead and shut down Twitter for the day beause it's going to be an

37:29

ultimate win as far as those guys are concerned,

37:32

becuse they probably a lot of people probably want my twenty one and getting

37:34

at fifty five right to talk about medical and all that stuff

37:36

could play into it.

37:36

So really good stuff there, Kyle.

37:38

We have two minutes and twelve seconds left on this call

37:41

at Grind the Tape on Twitter, Locked on Dolphins

37:43

Podcast, locked on NFL Scouting.

37:45

Tell the folks where they can find you Draft Week, Draft

37:48

Day, what you're working on Just go ahead and talk about yourself

37:50

for two minutes here.

37:51

Yeah, so locked on Dolphins. We will

37:53

be doing a bunch

37:55

of shows this week. You can find it on YouTube

37:58

where you listen your Forvorite podcast, Joe

38:00

Marino and I for Lockdown NFL Scouting. We'll

38:02

be doing live streams for the NFL

38:04

Draft on the Lockdown NFL.

38:06

Scouting YouTube channel.

38:08

I'll be dropping my horizontal team

38:10

big board and my positional rankings, all

38:13

of that over on Touchdown Miami, which

38:15

is on Substack, which is where I do my long form

38:17

written content covering the Dolphins.

38:19

There.

38:20

So and Travis, you mentioned at

38:22

grinding the tape on just about any social media

38:24

platform is a good way to find me as well.

38:26

You're the best buddy. You just brought us home for the draft

38:28

and I'm officially done.

38:31

That's it for draft content until we actually select

38:33

players. So, Kyle, it's a blast every year.

38:35

Man camp pre season

38:39

when we got to see you down here, man, I know you know the

38:41

family, Okay, perfect.

38:42

It's a little easier when you're not expecting,

38:45

which was our family was expecting

38:47

an addition last summer. So we'll do a

38:49

camp pre season and regular season will definitely

38:52

be down all my.

38:53

Favorite trand camp practice the ones's being watching together, my friend,

38:55

Thank you again so much, and we'll talk soon and enjoy.

38:57

Your Draft Time man.

38:58

Thanks Travis and away he

39:01

goes really fun podcast there. I

39:03

am stoked though, to be perfect honest with you

39:05

guys, the draft season is officially over and we get

39:07

to just talk about the players we acquire.

39:09

On the next edition of the Draft Time podcast.

39:12

Friday morning, we'll recap the Thursday night Round

39:14

one of the draft, Saturday morning recapping

39:16

Day two what happens on Friday, and then

39:18

we'll bring it home on Sunday

39:21

or maybe Saturday night with a recap of all that. Plus

39:23

we'll have Mike McDaniel and Chris career press conferences

39:25

from each of those days plenty to come your way

39:27

right into Rookie Mini caamps OTA's We're

39:29

gonna be busy, guys. It's that time of year again, right

39:32

before summer break where things really ratchet up here, So

39:34

check all that out. Plus Thursday night, April

39:36

twenty fifth, eight o'clock Bayside Market

39:39

Peer five on Beautiful Biz

39:41

Game Boulevard, we'll have a live panel for

39:43

the Dolphins Draft party, Mike Kunyo the host,

39:45

with myself, OJ McDuffie, Jalen Phillips,

39:47

all kinds of Dolphins alumni gonna be appearing

39:49

on the dais for that panel. Plus

39:52

we'll have a three hour radio program meet

39:54

Seth and OJ from the

39:56

same location.

39:57

We'll be doing both double dipping on both of those on

39:59

the.

40:00

Heart radio Big FM one oh

40:02

five nine as well as nine to forty Fox Sportstown

40:04

here in Miami.

40:05

So don't miss any of that.

40:06

Plenty of content coming your way in the meantime

40:08

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