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Hi, Bals. It's me, d trussel. And

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this is the Dunkin' Truzzle Family Hour podcast.

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If you're listening to this on the week of November

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seventh, then you like me

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are probably crawling with all kinds of

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weird government propaganda from

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the left or the right or the center God

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knows where. It fills us up,

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crawls inside of us this morning when I

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woke up and did my netbal yoga, which I

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highly recommend that you consider

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doing. It's fantastic way to

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wake up. It's fantastic way to

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realign yourself with your body, and it will

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show you why nipples

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are on everything. You see?

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Nipples are kinda like the wake

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up button on the human body. they're

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more than just something that babies suckle

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on to get their sweet mother's milk. No.

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No. Nipples are kind

0:47

of the way to tell your body that you're awake.

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their way to invite your body into

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the day. And there's a special

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method. It's similar to yoga breathing,

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also known as pranayama. But in

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this case, it's nipple, Yama. It's

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a rotating circular motion

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from the right nipple to the

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left with a yank

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on the right Yank on the left,

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yank on the right, yank on the left,

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squeeze right, squeeze

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left, push up up,

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down, down, squeeze

1:15

squeeze, left, right,

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right, squeeze, right, left, left, right,

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left, right, left.

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Squeeze both nipples simultaneously,

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and you're gonna get a gush. what's

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gonna come out generally is all

1:28

the stuff that you dreamed if you had

1:30

nightmares, then the color of

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the fluid is gonna be a kind

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of grayish, slimy, dark

1:37

color. If you had great dreams,

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then you're gonna get more of a pink flow,

1:41

not bloody. more like the

1:43

color of a rose. And, you know, there's

1:45

colors in between. There's actually people who

1:48

in other countries will examine the

1:50

nipple flow, the fluid, the nectar,

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and let you know what's going on

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with you calmerly. But unfortunately, we

1:57

live in the west and that we have this

1:59

incredible

1:59

technology around us, it's really

2:02

difficult to find someone to read your

2:04

nipple fluid. But

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I digress. What's happening to

2:08

every single person living in the

2:10

United States and maybe other countries

2:12

is that we are getting inundated

2:15

with high level hardcore

2:18

propaganda. It just blasted

2:20

in the face with some of the most intense

2:22

insane eye ops

2:24

level bullshit that maybe has

2:26

ever existed on the planet. In the old days,

2:28

if you wanted to condition people, if you

2:30

wanted to send out propaganda,

2:32

it had to be on the printed page. It wasn't

2:34

all colorful. It's alerts

2:37

and zings and bangs and

2:39

zips. And though

2:41

I do love zips and bangs and

2:43

tweets and arm, sirens,

2:45

and bright colors, and charismatic,

2:48

angry people. At some point,

2:50

it's important to check-in with yourself,

2:52

and ask yourself is

2:54

it normal for me to be

2:57

tight as a wild

2:59

gorilla's asshole that just

3:01

spotted a leopard hanging in a tree above

3:04

it? Probably not. So I

3:06

hope that you're finding a way to

3:09

not disconnect because God

3:11

knows the last thing you wanna

3:13

do is disconnect from politics.

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I mean, my God, it's truly the

3:18

most in important thing in the world. I mean,

3:20

especially this election. We've

3:23

never heard this before in

3:26

any other election. in

3:28

any other midterm. Never

3:30

have we heard the that this is

3:32

the most important one. Now, truly,

3:35

this this one of all of them, of every

3:37

single one Oh, yeah. And I know

3:39

what you're thinking, but it seems like in every

3:41

single one of these elections, they

3:43

act like it's the most important election

3:46

of all time. every single time

3:48

I fall for it, and then I get really,

3:50

like, wound up and I vote. And

3:52

things seem to basically stay

3:55

kind of the same. Not

3:58

this one.

3:59

This

3:59

one matters friends. This

4:02

one matters because

4:04

democracy is on

4:06

the ballot, my friends. Democracy

4:09

is on the ballot. This is a chance

4:12

once in a lifetime maybe to

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to vote no to democracy.

4:17

Do you really wanna be part of a

4:19

democracy? you really wanna

4:21

go down and put some dumb shit

4:23

into a machine in a high

4:25

school gym. God forbid, you

4:27

have to poop. And you

4:29

go and sit in that high school gym

4:31

bathroom, you're gonna you're gonna

4:33

get high school crabs gonna

4:35

go home with some false sense of, I

4:37

don't know, accomplishment, a mild

4:40

dopamine drip in

4:42

in crabs, just crawling

4:44

all over your pubes laying there,

4:46

eggs in there, and you're gonna have to

4:48

explain that to your lover.

4:50

Like, No. You understand? I

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voted. I I'm not messing around. I didn't

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hook up with somebody who had pubicized. I

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pooped in a high school gym. I'm

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saying poop because we can't say shit on the podcast

5:02

anymore. Aram does used

5:04

to talk about the different levels

5:06

of reality.

5:08

One level, it's the

5:10

level of the midterms. It's all the human

5:12

stuff, your Social Security

5:14

number, where you put

5:17

your vibrator before

5:19

the guests come over that

5:21

stuff. That's just one level

5:24

of reality. there's another

5:26

level of reality that's pretty amazing,

5:28

low population density too,

5:30

just outside of all that noise

5:32

and madness and insanity.

5:35

There's another

5:35

level of reality, a

5:37

beautiful level of reality. There's a lot

5:39

of different names for it. Some people call

5:41

it the present moment. Some

5:43

people call it bored as shit, but

5:46

it doesn't have to be boring.

5:48

In fact, it's an incredible place,

5:50

a place where everything Most

5:52

of the time is fine.

5:55

Beautiful, even. Incredible, where

5:58

you don't really have a personality

6:00

or identity in the way you

6:02

understand it. You don't really have

6:04

a you and stuff you like and stuff you

6:06

don't like and people you're angry

6:08

at and people you're happy with and

6:10

a list of people that you've buried in

6:12

various landfills across

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the United States? No.

6:16

In that present moment space,

6:19

You're just

6:20

this,

6:22

everything, and nothing simultaneously.

6:25

This is a beautiful place to be.

6:27

Now, You

6:29

can't hang out in that place all the time. Can

6:31

you? You have to do stuff. You gotta go

6:34

to work. You gotta go to

6:36

that puppy mill. and you've got

6:38

to get the dogs to make

6:40

love. You got to

6:42

go to

6:44

the penitentiary you're a guard

6:46

at, and you've got to stop

6:48

the prisoners from making

6:51

love. This

6:53

is your life. This is reality.

6:56

And I'm not suggesting that you should dismiss

6:58

this or go floating off in some

7:01

meditative ambivalent haze.

7:05

What I'm saying is if

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you get too stuck in

7:10

the

7:10

mid term stuff, you get

7:12

too stuck in the politics.

7:14

If you get too stuck in the

7:16

fleeting temporary bugling

7:19

of megalomaniacal narcissists,

7:21

who are making so much

7:23

money from their positions of

7:25

power,

7:26

then you

7:27

can end up with a

7:30

slight tremble in

7:32

your in your under gun. It'll

7:35

tremble and it'll wake

7:37

you up in the middle of the night as

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it vibrates and exudes

7:43

that thick creamy, stress

7:45

oil that so many of our under guns released

7:47

during the midterms. This is why

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I'm suggesting, maybe it's time for

7:51

us to vote

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no to democracy. And

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yes, to monarchy. Think

7:59

about it. Democracy is not

8:01

really working. And since it's on the

8:03

ballot right now, this is a

8:05

chance to actually get rid of

8:07

that system. No more

8:09

weird geriatric

8:12

people gaslighting us

8:14

about bullshit. No

8:16

more going down to vote. no

8:18

more feeling bad because the person you

8:20

voted for turned out to be the

8:24

next incarnation of Joseph

8:26

Stalin or Charles Manson?

8:28

No. You don't have to feel bad

8:30

anymore. If the king sucks, you didn't

8:33

vote for him. and your friends

8:35

didn't vote for him either. It's a

8:37

king, but maybe the king won't suck.

8:39

Maybe our new king will be beautiful.

8:41

with an incredible beard and a sword

8:43

that glows when evil is nearby.

8:46

You won't live in a country anymore.

8:48

You'll live in a kingdom.

8:51

And, yeah, are you gonna have the

8:54

false sense that you have some control over

8:56

the direction of the country you're

8:58

in? No. but

9:00

there's some possibility that

9:02

while you're out in the fields working

9:06

with your ox or when you're

9:08

walking down one of the many byroads

9:12

of your new kingdom that you

9:14

might pass the king and he might

9:16

like you. and make you a

9:18

duke or a duchess and give

9:20

you a kingdom inside his

9:22

kingdom. You might become the duke

9:24

of Minnesota. you might become the

9:26

duchess of New Jersey. Now,

9:29

that's pretty incredible. You're not gonna

9:31

have to get a lot of money

9:33

from various corporations and

9:36

billionaires so that you can get enough TV

9:38

ads, get elected? No.

9:40

you just need to make that

9:42

king's eyes twinkle in that special

9:44

kingly way. And he might

9:46

grant you a boom. I think there's

9:48

something to be said for thinking about voting

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no to democracy and

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yes to monarchy. Friends,

9:55

if you are listening to this on the week

9:57

of November seventh and you live in

9:59

Fort Worth or Dallas, I would love for you

10:02

to come and see me perform. I'm

10:04

gonna be at Haines comedy

10:06

club. November

10:07

eleventh in Fort

10:10

Worth and then November twelfth. You can

10:12

catch me in Dallas

10:14

at Haines comedy club. We're doing two

10:16

shows a night and by we mean

10:18

myself and the brilliant

10:20

William Montgomery. I hope you'll come

10:22

out. I've got a patreon. It's

10:24

patreon dot com forward slash dt f h.

10:26

We gather twice a week for

10:28

meditation and a

10:30

wonderful gathering. We write

10:32

books together. We love each

10:34

other. We're a family. and

10:36

we want you to join us. Just go to

10:38

patreon dot com forward slash DTFH

10:40

and sign up. And finally, my loves.

10:43

I'm getting my YouTube channel. fired

10:45

up. All the weird stuff that doesn't

10:47

necessarily fit into the podcast, you

10:49

can find that by

10:51

looking up Dunkin' Trussell

10:53

on YouTube. Filling it up with new

10:55

content every day. I'm evolving my

10:57

studio. Soon, I'll have over

10:59

three hundred cameras that I

11:01

can look from one camera to the next

11:03

to the next as I talk to you about

11:05

ways to upgrade your

11:07

iPhone. That's on YouTube.

11:09

I hope you'll subscribe.

11:12

Now, I'm fascinated by

11:14

today's guest. He's the

11:16

only dourist monk that

11:18

I know. Of course, I was introduced

11:20

to him by one of

11:21

my favorite DTFH guests, Danielli

11:24

Pirelli. He's been on the podcast

11:27

once. I hope you'll

11:27

listen to that episode. But before you listen to

11:30

that, listen to this one. This is an

11:32

authentic, daoist monk, a

11:34

martial artist, and somebody

11:36

who is valiantly combating

11:39

a a fungal infection

11:41

in his brain. Someone who is on

11:43

the precipice of letting

11:45

go of his body and and is

11:48

completely fearless and completely

11:50

open about

11:52

his

11:53

situation. You can

11:55

find him by going to

11:57

monk unrude dot com. I'm gonna have

11:59

the links at dunkin trussle dot

12:01

com He is an author. He's written

12:03

many, many great books. He talks about some of

12:05

them during this episode along

12:07

with an incredible vision

12:09

he had after

12:11

he stopped breathing.

12:14

This is some wild stuff, so

12:17

strap in and welcome back to the

12:19

DTFH Eun

12:21

Roo.

12:49

Welcome back to the DTFH. How

12:52

are you doing?

12:53

Doing okay. Now

12:56

you got interrupting. know if I'm glowing,

12:58

like, the last time, but I'm You do

13:00

always have a glow. It could be the lighting.

13:02

You did

13:06

we had to sort of shift the podcast

13:08

around.

13:09

What happened?

13:11

and

13:13

a

13:15

hospital failure too.

13:22

You know, we did. And I'm

13:24

sure it was a health related thing because

13:26

nothing else would do that. So

13:28

things

13:30

aren't

13:30

going on, but I'm still here.

13:32

Are you feel are you feeling better

13:35

since your visited hospital?

13:37

Well, you know, I got I got two things going

13:39

on. You may recall one as I do. Yeah.

13:41

I'm feeling better since it's a notch.

13:43

Well, it's not that was

13:45

not a high point. in

13:48

any way. But, you know,

13:50

how about this? I

13:52

am not

13:53

in the hospital.

13:56

Thank you. Yes. God. Feeling

13:59

better. I'm glad.

13:59

And I see that I see that

14:02

you have you

14:03

had my

14:04

my

14:06

brother and yelled at him

14:08

again, which I haven't had the chance to listen

14:10

to, but

14:11

Oh, it's good. I love him so much.

14:13

Can you tell me what's going on

14:15

behind you there? What is that? Is that an

14:17

altar? What are the symbols above? I'm I'm

14:19

looking at your awesome studio.

14:21

Quite impressed. You've

14:24

got but it's

14:26

very organized. You got a bookshelf and right behind

14:28

me, I see And

14:29

I'm gonna unimpress.

14:31

How would

14:31

my unimpress? The only thing that doesn't impress me

14:33

is you put your router next to your samurai

14:36

swords. Are those summarized swords?

14:38

See, I don't think you just need that.

14:40

They're not summarized swords, but they

14:42

are they are Chinese swords. So

14:44

the the reason that that's there

14:47

is that it keeps me on my toes

14:49

because the router infuse

14:52

crazy energy, imbue

14:54

those sorts of crazy energy. Sometimes

14:56

they come right out of the

14:58

stand and they start worrying around I

15:00

gotta end up under the desk, and I don't know if they

15:02

can see that low and hold. Alright. You

15:04

guys used to have a magical sword problem in

15:06

my studio too. You know what I did? Got

15:09

rid of the fucking swords. I

15:11

didn't They love that.

15:14

I love that having to stay on my

15:16

toes. Yeah. God's

15:18

day. You under your desk, gain on your toes,

15:20

friend. Yeah. Well,

15:22

it doesn't always get all four swords.

15:25

So usually have a chance to grab at least one and

15:27

defend myself. And since I'm not

15:29

doing a lot of sword dancing these days,

15:31

sword

15:31

dancing. it's

15:33

not all bad. So I have this

15:35

bookshelf. Well, I have a lot of

15:37

things here. The red

15:39

thing framed

15:40

red thing is my

15:43

coordination with the

15:45

Chinese government

15:47

now and embarrassingly stamp.

15:50

the Then there

15:51

there's some other artwork. I

15:53

don't

15:54

know how much you can see. I

15:56

can see their horses.

15:58

piece.

15:58

That's

15:59

oh

16:01

I bought that at the hour gallery

16:03

at the Forbidden City

16:05

many years ago, almost

16:08

I don't

16:09

know, fifteen or twenty years

16:11

ago. And

16:13

it was a display from the

16:16

University of inner Mongolia,

16:19

and

16:19

that was painted by the chairman of that art

16:22

department. It's just the most beautiful

16:24

painting. And I hate snow and I hate horses. Well,

16:28

don't

16:31

ask. It's a fantastic painting.

16:33

And then here is my When

16:35

I was very, very sick, I started pared down my

16:37

library. I didn't want my wife to

16:39

have to deal with all that. So I gave

16:41

away a lot of things.

16:44

but there's still, you know, the

16:46

good text and the critical things that I

16:48

need for my classes

16:50

and stuff. Tell me about

16:52

the alter behind you. What what are

16:54

I'm I'm looking really in alter. It's

16:56

it's a table.

16:59

I moved

17:02

some things off of it, and

17:05

I'm really hard. I should

17:08

easily show you this, but this

17:11

bookshelf

17:11

has got a lot of altered

17:14

stuff on it. I'll

17:15

I'll just show you one or

17:17

two of them because they're beautiful.

17:19

No. We

17:20

can see how it set up.

17:23

We can describe them.

17:26

Yeah. Well, we are recording videos, so maybe who

17:29

knows one day it could end up on

17:31

the Internet?

17:32

Oh, my god. You me so much. I I told

17:34

you. You can warn me so

17:37

I can

17:38

Don't worry.

17:40

He doesn't

17:40

have to. Look

17:42

at your beautiful look

17:44

at your camera. a couple of

17:47

things. This

17:48

is really amazing.

17:51

I have

17:54

a lot of those

17:56

things. and

17:57

a lot of

17:59

Buddhist things of

18:01

interest. One has

18:03

an extraordinary story with

18:06

it. Well,

18:08

my

18:09

father in the seventies

18:11

was a famous physician, and he

18:13

briefly took care of the Shah of Iran.

18:15

And, wow,

18:18

the shiver the shaver around gifted

18:20

him. He

18:21

had no idea what this was. Nobody

18:24

in my family had any idea

18:26

what it was. I never dared to

18:28

ask him for it because he had

18:30

no idea what

18:32

it was.

18:32

So after he passed away,

18:35

he asked my mom if I

18:37

could have this. Whoa.

18:39

This is an extraordinary

18:42

carving in

18:44

in I

18:46

guess maybe Afghan or

18:49

Persian turquoise, which is

18:50

different from our

18:53

own here. Focuses. This

18:55

beautiful vivid blue. It's in it's

18:57

really pretty. What what is that a carving

18:59

of? Well, so that's the thing.

19:02

It's the legend of the Monkey King.

19:04

Oh, ornament With

19:06

a snuck. Traveling from east to

19:08

west and journey to the west.

19:11

And it's here you can see his

19:14

staff.

19:16

I

19:19

see him.

19:19

Remember, we talked a little bit

19:22

last time about how

19:24

Dowism was a very porous

19:26

religion philosophy. Yeah.

19:29

And one of the ways that it has survived

19:31

thousands of years. And if you

19:34

can't it's Shamanistic precursors longer

19:37

than that.

19:38

the

19:41

is to

19:42

absorb, to be

19:45

porous or permeable. One

19:47

of one of the

19:49

good Dallas scholars here in the US called

19:51

it that. can't remember whether it was

19:53

permeable or porous, but I've thought about that

19:55

for a long time since I read

19:57

that thing. It's very true in my own in

19:59

the monastery where

19:59

I was ordained

20:01

and Juan

20:02

Joel.

20:04

Southern

20:04

China, if I

20:06

I'm ever fortunate enough to be able

20:08

to go back there. So

20:10

I know American Relations don't

20:11

make it likely. But if

20:13

I am,

20:15

it's called

20:17

Xinyanguan, which means

20:20

pure yawn, which means you open

20:22

the top of your head and you

20:24

connect to heaven through your

20:26

meditation practices, which you asked

20:28

me about you were

20:30

fascinated by this six hour standing,

20:32

guys. Yeah. You

20:34

remember that. Anyway, So

20:37

this is a very good entry

20:39

to what I kinda feel like

20:41

I wanna talk about with you today because

20:43

I really didn't get there last

20:45

time. and it's very, very important.

20:47

We'll see if it's of interest.

20:50

I wrote a

20:53

novel which

20:54

just released the

20:56

Jade

20:57

Boy brand

21:00

new. To do that

21:01

novel, it took me years to ride it.

21:04

I had to travel all over China,

21:07

and I was in pursuit

21:09

of

21:10

this riverine neolithic

21:13

tribe

21:14

try that

21:16

lived and

21:18

was

21:19

the sort of foundational, Shamanistic

21:24

thinking as one of those early

21:26

Shamanistic practices that we think

21:28

salted into Dallas.

21:29

Okay. And I

21:31

wanted to put this story together with

21:34

Taoism and make a kick ass

21:36

story about a Jade

21:38

robot was

21:41

constructed with a golden

21:43

head. He's got instructed to be about

21:45

the size of a six or eight year old

21:47

boy. Cool. And he was

21:49

gifted to the barren queen

21:51

of Kuglikhan. Okay. You

21:53

know, the Kuglikhan was not

21:55

troubled by a Baron Queen. He just got another

21:57

one, you know. So he had

21:59

many. but this was the first queen

22:02

and she still had

22:03

to be honored even though she couldn't have

22:05

a baby. And the

22:06

court and inventor The

22:09

guy who invented strutting

22:11

swarms and musical elephants for

22:13

the amusement of the Khan was

22:15

in love with this first queen and

22:17

he created for her a child

22:20

substitute. Okay.

22:21

Boy. And he

22:23

gifted it to her so that she could technically have

22:26

a child. and was and it

22:28

turned out that the boy was sentient,

22:30

that somehow

22:32

this robot was alive. Okay.

22:34

And that's and there was a whole religious

22:37

convocation about all the different

22:39

religious heads were

22:41

were in cumbelik

22:43

at that time where the

22:45

where

22:47

the emperor was. And they decided

22:49

that, you know, yes, he was alive, which

22:51

meant that he could theoretically

22:53

since

22:53

he was the son of the first

22:55

queen, he could be the next emperor. He could

22:57

be the next emperor. first AI

23:00

emperor, an AI

23:01

emperor. But

23:03

the AI was thousands and well,

23:05

now it was eight hundred years ago.

23:07

and there's a whole lot to the story.

23:09

It's the most fun thing. Anyway,

23:11

this little statue.

23:14

represents

23:18

that culture. So it

23:20

has very

23:22

interesting

23:22

eyes big

23:24

ears. Yeah. It

23:25

kinda looks like a little bit

23:27

like the the creature from the

23:30

black lagoon, but not like, way cooler,

23:32

kind of, like, aquatic stuff.

23:35

It looks it looks polynesia.

23:38

can't reach you from the black liquor. I have a green one. There's

23:40

a pair of I got a it's a blurry

23:42

Internet connection, you know? That's

23:45

interesting. what I'm seeing there. Yeah.

23:47

That's right. No. You're right. It's the creature

23:49

from the Black Lagoon, which has kept me

23:51

going with that book all these years. It's

23:53

got a chronic ears.

23:55

I didn't mean to insult your statue. It's got, like, kinda,

23:57

like, flappier aquatic ears.

23:59

Yeah.

23:59

Okay. I'll give you that. Anyway,

24:02

here's something that happened around us.

24:05

So I

24:05

went and found an

24:08

excavation. in Central China. And

24:10

I found a museum that had just

24:13

opened about this

24:15

culture. and it was a

24:17

beautiful museum. I I learned everything I needed to know from

24:19

the book in this

24:20

museum. When I

24:21

came back, I stopped in

24:24

Hawaii to work some more

24:25

on the book.

24:27

I got

24:29

a little

24:29

room in a big island Airbnb,

24:33

And I just

24:33

stayed there with my laptop working on this everything

24:36

fresh -- Yeah. -- working

24:37

on this book. And I was, like, super disciplined.

24:39

I didn't go out. You know, I had a refrigerator,

24:41

and I just I didn't go out. And, like,

24:43

after ten days, I thought, you know, I'm I'm

24:45

out of my mind. I'm on the big island.

24:47

I mean, it's getting in a room. I can I can

24:50

do this That's

24:52

Western. New York

24:53

and Western work, which

24:56

which I'm not not

24:58

above the week. But I've

25:00

done those. good because I was on

25:02

my way back. Anyway, I get out

25:03

I get my car and I drive. They get completely out

25:05

of their side. They have a nice I'm

25:08

just so relishing not looking at the screen. I take

25:10

a little progress in a Tory Walk,

25:12

and I see kind of a junk

25:14

store. Like, just some

25:17

old furniture and stuff. But for

25:19

whatever reason, I walk in,

25:21

mostly, so it's not to head back to

25:23

work. I'm just wandering around this

25:25

dingy shop And I go at the very

25:27

back of the shop, there's a case. And

25:29

in the case, is

25:31

that little guy along with

25:33

a friend? and I look at it

25:35

because I've just come from the museum where these

25:37

things are -- Yeah. -- to see

25:39

them. Why look at it

25:40

and I go.

25:42

WTF. Yeah.

25:44

That's my little guy. Yeah. And

25:46

he's in Jade.

25:47

Yeah. And I'm I have one of those free

25:50

zones of crazy stuff.

25:51

I

25:54

go to the lady at the front and I say, could

25:56

I look in those picture? Yeah. And

25:58

I take these two out and I ask how

25:59

much they

26:01

are. and they

26:02

they were a little pricey, but

26:04

can I ask

26:07

her

26:07

where she got them? You know, my

26:09

husband was all into Chinese stuff and

26:11

He was over there and he

26:13

visited a museum in Central China called

26:16

Chongqing Wei. And I can't tell you if they're real.

26:18

They're probably just reproductions.

26:20

and I'm

26:20

listening through this in my eyes. And I tell her, you

26:22

know what I'm doing here? Well, I blah blah blah blah blah.

26:24

And she goes, you know, that's this is you're

26:26

making this up. It's impossible.

26:28

So I'm not I'm it's impossible, and I'm

26:30

not making enough. So I

26:33

buy

26:33

one.

26:35

And two

26:35

weeks later, the other one comes as a gift

26:37

in the mail. What? She sent

26:39

it? She sent

26:41

it to me. Cool.

26:43

Cool. So I have this pair reminding

26:47

me of the power of story, incredible

26:51

power of story, and

26:53

coincidence, which isn't probably. And

26:56

It was a real, like, mind

26:59

bending thing. That does not

27:01

seem like a coincidence to me. That

27:03

seems like an episode of the

27:05

Twilight Zone. or something. Except

27:07

usually, like, the jade statue is cursed

27:09

or but in this case, it's just a

27:11

what what's really think about it? There just was

27:13

pause for a second. think it's

27:14

important when magic happens.

27:17

And

27:17

especially in, like, ceremonial magic,

27:19

if you successfully execute

27:22

some spell, some some whatever. You're

27:24

supposed to like and you

27:26

say that you you

27:28

downplay it or you don't admit what it is, then

27:30

apparently that's like bad practice. Like, you

27:32

have to admit, it worked, it

27:34

happened, the the thing worked.

27:36

So let's think about it.

27:39

You've gone to the big island. You're in a

27:41

Airbnb ten days going

27:43

nuts riding. You

27:45

go to take host simple walk, meaning this is

27:47

right by you the whole time you've been writing. It's

27:49

just been sitting there, calling you or

27:52

something. and there it is.

27:54

It's not I've never seen

27:56

whatever that thing is in my

27:58

life. Like, I've never seen it's not like we're

27:59

looking at a

28:02

a bobble head of Kevin Kossner or something. Honestly,

28:04

I've never seen a bobble head of Kevin Kossner,

28:06

but you know what I mean? This is impossible.

28:09

That's

28:11

the partner. Wow.

28:13

That's what she sent

28:14

me. They're both Jade

28:16

and

28:17

They

28:19

are amazing

28:20

and that was some kind of magic

28:23

other than III

28:25

didn't have that intention. Right?

28:28

because

28:28

I didn't know those things were there, but

28:31

however

28:31

it happened, it was an extraordinary

28:34

thing. Well, really

28:36

amazing. That's that's extraordinary.

28:38

That's affirmation of your

28:40

book. I would be very excited because it would be like

28:42

the universe saying, yes, you're on the

28:44

right path. Usually, I just

28:46

think of those things as bread crumb trails. Little clues

28:49

dropped

28:49

into the time

28:50

space continuum by whatever.

28:52

to indicate, like, okay. Yeah. You're doing the

28:55

right thing. Kinda like when I give, you know,

28:57

you I'm trying to give the dogs

28:59

to to, like, sit on

29:01

their cushions when we

29:03

watch TV. And I

29:04

I you know, I'm trying to manipulate

29:07

them with food. Right?

29:08

It's like that except you're not

29:10

a dog and whatever this thing is

29:13

is probably all infinitely

29:15

more intelligent than humans.

29:18

When she said,

29:20

my husband visited San

29:23

Xinyue.

29:24

I probably,

29:27

like, got dry mouth and

29:30

froze. Yeah. For for a moment or

29:32

two. Yeah. Because I had no

29:34

way, really. of

29:36

immediately integrating that into my

29:39

reality. It took me a little while.

29:41

That's the other priority of it is

29:43

you you have to

29:46

either forget

29:48

it, which I think a lot of people do. I think those

29:50

things happen more often than maybe

29:52

people think. It's just that it's too much to

29:54

deal with that reality. So so

29:57

you just sort of you you naturally forget about

29:59

it, like a dream or

29:59

something, or you

30:02

adapt and realize, yeah, whatever's going

30:04

on here, know, we've got some

30:06

serious blinders on. That's for

30:08

sure. Serious blinders that are

30:10

only allowing us or we we're deciding

30:12

to wear the blinders. and we're

30:14

only seeing a tiny sliver

30:16

of whatever is happening. In

30:20

In an earlier book, Mad Monk,

30:23

manifesto, I

30:25

talk

30:25

about this in terms of filters.

30:30

And I say, you

30:30

know, we're just as

30:32

we have evolved through

30:35

millions of years, we have

30:38

gained these

30:38

filters on our consciousness that

30:41

interrupt how much and

30:43

what we can see. Right.

30:45

And I think the I I paused

30:47

it. I wasn't there, so I

30:50

don't know. But I was a student in

30:52

evolutionary biology for a

30:54

long

30:54

time. I posit

30:56

that these filters are

30:59

the brain's number

31:02

one job. As we

31:04

evolve, the filters kept

31:06

us from dying and going

31:08

nuts, being overwhelmed with

31:10

a thousand frequencies of light that we cannot see

31:12

coming in from the cosmos and we

31:14

would be blinded by them

31:17

or so confused by what we could see that we couldn't

31:19

function, find a mate, find

31:21

shelter, find something to

31:23

eat. and

31:24

that we need the filters,

31:26

but not

31:27

all. And we

31:30

we now have an opportunity through

31:32

meditation and dance practice

31:34

too. remove

31:34

the selectively

31:37

and purposefully.

31:39

the

31:41

filters. So, you know,

31:44

when we drop acid or

31:46

two shrooms or something, you

31:48

know, think there's also a lot of filter

31:51

removal going on, and

31:53

which can be, you know,

31:55

terrifying or fabulous. But

31:58

it

31:58

can't select.

31:59

Right. I

32:00

can't select. No.

32:02

It it spreads to roll the dice. It's like if

32:04

you get lucky, you take the right amount

32:07

of acid, You take

32:08

too little. You you don't

32:10

take enough acid. And what happens is

32:12

the filters get magnified.

32:14

It's like you get triple

32:16

filter, quadruple filter, you get stuck

32:18

in the filter, you take enough acid,

32:20

no more filter, you

32:22

know, that's where things get interesting. It sucks when you get stuck in the

32:24

filter on a psychedelic though. That's that's where

32:26

I think that's Oh, that's an insurance

32:29

company. but that way. I

32:31

will say that people often ask me, why are you gonna do more

32:33

of that stuff? And I say,

32:35

you

32:35

know, I don't feel like I'm in any way,

32:37

a control freak. but

32:40

I do like to control some things.

32:42

And in this case, my Dallas

32:45

meditation explains the

32:47

filters in some ways. not in

32:49

this language, but, you know,

32:51

basically. And, you know, it tells me

32:53

which to take off or which not to

32:55

take off. and

32:56

that has

32:57

proven to be fantastic. Admittedly,

33:00

it's

33:02

a lot more work and a lot more

33:04

pain in your legs. Well,

33:06

yeah,

33:07

teach a man to teach a teach

33:09

a teach a man to make acid

33:11

versus teach a man to buy acid. The

33:13

man can make acid forever. It's

33:16

difficult to obtain the

33:18

the precursor in greens,

33:20

unfortunately. But in this case, you know,

33:22

and this is why, you know, you hear

33:25

If you're if you're so many

33:27

psychedelic fans of psychedelics

33:29

get drawn into meditation,

33:32

some intuition at the very least

33:34

that just maybe there's something

33:36

here. But -- Right. -- you hear from

33:38

people like you and you people like

33:40

Ramgaz and you hear you hear over and

33:42

over again, I'm telling you,

33:44

there's a way to get

33:46

to a place so

33:47

much more fabulous

33:50

than the place you're

33:51

getting to from psychedelics.

33:54

It's just like

33:56

you're saying, it's there's

33:58

a a difference between having

33:59

the discipline to sit, have

34:01

a daily practice, to, you know, have

34:03

a teacher to do all the things

34:05

and,

34:06

you know, meeting somebody in a park

34:08

to get

34:09

a a piece

34:12

of paper. big

34:12

difference. You know, one is quick, one is slow, and people in

34:15

in our culture, they like quick. And so

34:17

III understand me. I

34:20

understand why. I'm not a I'm not a

34:22

dedicated psych and not. So

34:25

but the experiences

34:28

I've had very much underscore that for me,

34:30

at least, because

34:31

I do like daily practice,

34:33

and I do like the frame

34:35

that it gives life And

34:38

I also, you know, we were talking about story. And

34:42

something I've been

34:42

thinking a lot about since our last

34:46

conversation And I I wrote a

34:47

newsletter about this subject. And, you know, maybe

34:50

it's because I got a lot of books coming

34:52

out this year. I got three came out

34:54

already. Wow. I

34:57

I feel like that we

34:59

don't give

35:01

story.

35:04

enough

35:04

the credit in

35:06

terms of creating our culture,

35:08

our society, how we

35:10

see the world. It's all story.

35:13

it's a Judeo Christian

35:16

story from a Syrian

35:18

stone god, Babylonian, that

35:22

whatever. or it's a Hindu story about, you know,

35:24

three hundred

35:25

and sixty

35:26

million gods.

35:28

Whether it's a daoist

35:31

so called scientific way of looking

35:33

at the universe constantly rebalancing itself

35:35

and harmonizing. Basically,

35:38

these are all stories.

35:40

and if they are strong stories and

35:42

the luck of the civilization dice

35:45

gives them sway for a

35:47

long period of time. then

35:49

they become so inextricably

35:52

entwined in the fabric of our

35:54

everyday life that we don't even

35:57

know they exist. we

35:58

we don't know where the stores

35:59

just are born into them. Yeah.

36:02

And we Right.

36:04

So to me

36:06

the

36:06

fascination, and it took me a

36:08

long time decades, I think, to

36:10

really understand this. To me the

36:14

fascination is

36:15

to

36:16

see what it

36:17

feels like to

36:18

create mythology. And

36:20

I I don't have

36:22

a large enough audience because I'm in

36:24

fringe area in

36:26

in the wrong country, let's

36:28

say, for that. But Oh,

36:30

what? You mean Dallas Monc isn't, like,

36:34

trending on TikTok right now.

36:37

It has been trending on

36:39

TikTok.

36:39

Like, I can't tell you,

36:42

00I get all kinds

36:44

of hits.

36:46

So I

36:46

I've I've discovered that there's

36:49

just two different ways to

36:51

convey these ideas. One is I write

36:53

something like

36:54

madam manifesto, which is

36:56

I I hand you

36:59

a glass I said, they

37:01

can drink drink this. You take a sip and

37:03

you guys disgusting. It's so

37:05

bitter. I

37:06

say, yeah. But it's the real

37:08

thing. So take it and, you know,

37:10

You read this. You you really understand what's

37:12

going on. And you go alright. And you

37:15

hold your nose as well, and you

37:17

say, yeah. That was awful.

37:20

and then you take a minute and then go,

37:22

oh, I see what you're saying now. Yeah. But

37:25

it tasted terrible.

37:26

I couldn't get through it

37:29

Yeah. Or you can take that

37:31

medicine, put it in

37:32

the strawberry milkshake. It's the

37:35

same medicine. Same medicine.

37:37

Well, I'm telling you we, though, these there's a

37:40

company Annie's, our kid has allergies, so we

37:42

have to be careful. But they're brilliant.

37:44

They came

37:46

up with a crunchy snack

37:48

that looks like or kid

37:50

I'm sorry. Their kid loves cheddar bunnies. But

37:54

the Annie's is just

37:56

released, not sponsored by

37:57

Annie's, by the way.

37:59

Hidden vegetable bunnies.

38:01

So it's brilliant. It's

38:03

brilliant that no idea he has no

38:05

idea he's eating vegetables.

38:09

Things is chatter bunnies, which it is.

38:11

They don't taste terrible. They taste good. So, yes, I

38:13

know exactly what you mean. If we are and

38:15

I and I think that it's like they're

38:17

real parallels between parenting and what you're

38:19

talking about, which is

38:22

that if I try to get

38:24

my kid to eat, like all the things that you think a child should

38:26

eat, good luck.

38:28

Good luck. What are you gonna do? Time

38:30

them down, blah, blah, broccoli.

38:34

into them like they do with the the geese snow. You

38:36

gotta, like, hope that they like it and then, like,

38:38

find ways to get good food into

38:41

them. So IIII feel

38:44

like what you're saying

38:45

is when through practice,

38:46

you

38:48

discover

38:48

that this is

38:50

not false.

38:52

But in fact, there

38:53

is a

38:55

way to reduce

38:58

one suffering in the

39:00

material universe that

39:00

it's so incredible. It might

39:03

be the most beautiful thing

39:04

floating in the world. And then

39:07

what generates from that is

39:10

compassion, and then what comes from that

39:12

is you wanna help. But,

39:14

like, what you're saying, you go right

39:16

with the broccoli.

39:18

People aren't really interested in

39:20

broccoli. People aren't interested in in

39:22

that, especially when

39:24

it challenges when it

39:26

challenges you. You know, when it

39:28

challenges your identity, when it

39:30

challenges all the work you put into your

39:32

own personal story, So

39:34

yeah, I I hear what you're saying and

39:36

I

39:36

yeah i agree

39:37

I agree.

39:50

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39:54

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42:13

Last

42:14

time we talked, we we

42:16

spent a little time on the vision

42:18

that I had, was that?

42:21

comatose

42:21

and that vision of

42:23

what is the future of humanity

42:25

or not. I got I

42:27

got some feedback from out

42:31

there. I think I think

42:33

I bet you did. I am not surprised

42:35

that you are not surprised. I'm

42:37

sorry. But before you talk about the feedback, would you

42:39

mind summarizing that vision again? For folks who

42:42

are just joining us for the first time, because there

42:44

might be people who do hear this

42:46

story initially. So III

42:47

had multiple

42:50

organ failure from sepsis,

42:52

and

42:52

I was pretty

42:54

I I

42:57

guess,

42:58

I was

42:59

I hesitate to

43:01

use use the word because

43:03

I cannot say if my

43:05

heart had stopped. But -- Right. -- it

43:07

it probably had. And if it hadn't, there

43:09

was about two. And I

43:12

wasn't really aware

43:14

of that. and I wasn't aware of being resuscitated. But, anyway,

43:16

and, you know, I was resuscitated in the

43:18

ambulance or I became conscious in the

43:20

ambulance. And I was aware of,

43:22

you know, the conversation

43:24

between the EMTs and the hospitals,

43:26

they're driving, you know, eight hundred miles an

43:28

hour. because if you ever had to get the guy to

43:30

the hospital fast, this was the time.

43:32

And so I heard the back and forth and,

43:34

you know, they said you'll

43:36

need to repeat those blood numbers.

43:38

They would they take blood Those

43:42

are not consistent with human life. I do have to

43:44

remember hearing that. Thank you. Well,

43:46

that that's that's not good.

43:49

Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, I was

43:51

I was at for a few

43:53

days. And during that

43:56

time, I had this this vision, and

43:58

I had I had

43:59

a companion in the

44:01

vision. And I

44:02

don't wanna

44:04

get religious

44:06

about that because I have no real sense.

44:08

I I would love to tell you that was, you know, allowed to or

44:10

put a camera and hung out with

44:12

me, but I I can't tell you

44:16

that. What I can say is that I was aware

44:18

of what I called the curator

44:20

and the curator was

44:22

interested

44:24

and

44:24

it's

44:26

showing me stuff you

44:29

wanted to show

44:30

that the word to show me.

44:32

I

44:32

did have a sense. It was

44:34

a he, but I couldn't say what he looked

44:37

like or anything. He? the

44:41

He kinda

44:43

yanked me around the

44:46

cosmos. I was going

44:48

very quickly. through space. I remember passing

44:50

comments and seeing them in great

44:52

detail. Astronauts

44:54

going by zooming in close

44:56

to planets. There's a lot of

44:58

space in this

45:00

as opposed to trees. Right.

45:02

It was a very cosmic

45:04

thing

45:05

and it gave me

45:07

some tiny sense of

45:09

how

45:10

much there is out

45:12

there. and how insignificant and tiny we are.

45:14

Yes. Which is, you know,

45:16

a daoist

45:17

idea in some respects.

45:20

you know, you're part of a matrix or fabric.

45:23

You're not you're not,

45:25

by any means, utterly important,

45:27

but nor unimportant.

45:30

But more

45:31

is it all about you? Right. Another thing

45:33

which you pointed out in our

45:35

last conversation, nobody

45:38

You must state that especially not in

45:40

our country. That's the broccoli.

45:43

Right. And and

45:44

everybody wants to hear it is all about

45:46

you and that's where -- Oh, yeah. -- self help

45:49

industry arises. Anyway, when

45:51

I began to come

45:53

out

45:54

of this whatever this

45:56

it state

45:57

was.

45:58

Last

46:00

thing I

46:01

remember being shown

46:03

is the future

46:05

part was the future of humanity,

46:08

which maybe is the future

46:09

of humanity. I felt certainly

46:11

about it then and I guess I

46:13

still do now. which was

46:15

that, you know, we

46:15

become very enmeshed --

46:18

Yes. -- in

46:20

our AI. and we end up

46:22

floating around and space in these

46:24

giant synthetic things that look like on last

46:26

kicking crab legs. Yeah.

46:28

And

46:28

I remember that item. subscription,

46:31

I've got. Yeah. But and I I

46:33

reacted poorly to that

46:35

model. Okay. I I

46:38

was like

46:40

and No. No. No. And the curator

46:42

gave me

46:42

a bit of tough love

46:46

and said,

46:47

you know, I'm

46:48

amber Sorry. You

46:50

don't like it, but because it's

46:53

not really a big deal. You're

46:55

having crab legs tonight.

46:58

That's why it's gonna be, you know, that's what's gonna happen. So,

47:00

anyway, I did get I got

47:02

some feedback from people were

47:04

not angry at me, but but

47:07

they were disturbed by this vision, which completely understand. And the best I

47:09

could do was say, you

47:12

know,

47:13

you know

47:14

I don't have the

47:16

sense that despite my poor reaction

47:18

to it, it was

47:20

it was

47:22

a bad

47:23

thing. I had the impression for example

47:25

that there was no suffering

47:28

at all. But how could

47:30

be how could I

47:32

resist a state in which pure

47:34

consciousness was

47:36

A store retained.

47:37

And yet and everybody was there, and

47:40

you were there as Dunkin' but you were Dunkin'

47:42

part of a big

47:44

thing? Yes. but there was

47:46

no physical suffering,

47:48

and

47:48

I can't tell you that I got so into it,

47:50

that I could talk with the

47:52

curator about emotional suffering, and disconnection

47:56

or any of that because it didn't last that

47:58

long. And mostly because I got

47:59

upset. Even if

48:00

I had not gotten upset,

48:03

I have

48:03

a feeling that I would have gotten

48:05

more detail on this. Right. Like, oh,

48:07

no. No. No crab legs floating

48:10

in the now. Thank you. But it's

48:12

not like crap. It's like you're you're talking about, like,

48:14

a kind of technological

48:16

extrusion or something. Like, some

48:19

kind of, like, AAA MAC yep. Yeah.

48:21

Yeah. Just some

48:22

some form of, like,

48:26

I don't know. Spatial. Spatial. It was, like, sort

48:28

of kinda carbon fiber, but it was, you

48:30

know, nothing hit that hit. It couldn't hurt

48:32

it. yesterday's bumped into

48:34

it and bumped off. It was very

48:36

you know, it was

48:38

it was way beyond our tech. Yeah.

48:40

But somehow

48:41

we got we

48:43

got there. And, you know,

48:45

there are many people in

48:47

that field who think that

48:49

human beings just

48:52

like a catechanth or better examples or

48:54

things that have gone extinct, the dodo.

48:56

They were just there to

48:58

serve the course of evolution and we

49:00

as human beings are just there to

49:03

serve the course

49:05

to serve the purpose

49:07

of generating what they call

49:09

strong AI, which looks at us like

49:11

we look at an

49:14

ant. Yeah.

49:15

Right. That's not gonna step on you unless you're directly in under

49:17

my foot, but -- Yeah. -- you know

49:19

what? It's like let's imagine.

49:21

You

49:22

and I

49:24

our

49:25

sentient droplets of water, we just we came

49:27

to I don't know what

49:29

happened. And we are beginning to realize

49:31

that we're in

49:34

a river and we're beginning

49:35

to realize that this river is

49:37

getting

49:37

faster and that this river

49:40

is about to turn into a

49:42

waterfall. Meaning,

49:44

that

49:44

our entire experience of what it means to be

49:47

this wonderful little peaceful bit of the river

49:49

is about

49:49

to radically, dramatically,

49:52

drastically change

49:54

and we've gotten attached to different, like, whatever the hell is in that part of the

49:57

river. We've gotten attached to it. This is what

49:59

it's always been this little part

50:01

of the river. and there's

50:04

droplets who are like, we're gonna

50:06

stop the flow of water.

50:08

We're gonna find a way to freeze it.

50:10

We're gonna find a way to stay. exactly here,

50:12

non flowing. We are not going over

50:15

that fucking waterfall. That waterfall ends

50:17

the end of everything.

50:20

And that's what that's like what you're talking

50:23

about. The waterfall is many different names

50:25

for it, but it's technological

50:28

singularity is one of the more common ones. The apocalypse is

50:31

another. The

50:34

kalayoga That color you

50:36

got. Yes. And of course, you

50:38

know, really what's happening there, the most

50:40

water, you know, most droplets of water

50:43

is. That shit's drying up. another

50:46

another thought we're gonna Another

50:48

thought we're gonna become a cloud. Well,

50:50

I I don't I like the river.

50:52

I don't wanna be a cloud. I don't wanna

50:55

be evaporated. Now, you

50:58

know,

50:58

stories

51:00

all

51:00

the way back to ancient

51:04

stories on tablets and egyptian

51:06

things and so on. You

51:08

know, what they're always about

51:10

because the

51:11

only thing that's really true despite what

51:13

we could make

51:16

up to I don't

51:17

know, clarify or reinforce

51:20

these ideas. The only thing that's really true

51:22

is change. Yes. Absolutely,

51:26

you know, two years ago before I got sick, and I was still

51:28

jumping around with a thirty pound sword and

51:30

doing splits. And

51:33

now I'm reaching out for something

51:35

to stabilize me as I go down the stairs. Right. And it can't be

51:37

too many of them, by the

51:40

way. How could I

51:41

have possibly foreseen that?

51:44

And worse happens,

51:45

people get hit by a bus.

51:47

I mean, you get ALS, which

51:49

is a

51:49

disease I could think of.

51:51

That's even worse. I but I

51:53

I don't I don't think that like, I

51:56

don't think any of us are, like, thinking, well,

51:58

you know, at some point, I'm I'm probably gonna have

51:59

a very rare

52:02

fungal infection No. Right. But, I mean, the

52:04

fact that it it was this particular

52:06

one is interest maybe because

52:08

it's rare. But the point is that

52:10

if

52:12

you if you

52:12

live in a way that cultivates

52:15

the

52:15

awareness. And we talked about

52:17

this too, but

52:20

that you

52:20

were part of something very much larger, and

52:22

that the things

52:23

that happened are not

52:25

poor me things. Like,

52:27

I I never I never had AYM

52:30

feel, which

52:31

sounds strange,

52:34

I know. Not one. You didn't have a single flicker like,

52:36

are you fucking kidding me? Like,

52:38

seriously, like, this is this

52:42

is

52:42

it? Yes.

52:44

But that I find is a bit

52:46

different than y me.

52:48

I I wasn't

52:50

feeling Right? Like, I'm not really,

52:52

like, why me, like, victory. You didn't

52:54

get victory. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

52:56

Great. You know, this

52:58

happened to me as opposed to

53:01

someone else. I I didn't have that feeling.

53:03

I did

53:04

have the this is

53:06

not a fun way to go out.

53:08

Feeling because

53:10

who would not have that feeling. But,

53:12

you know, we don't get to choose. And I remember my primary

53:16

master.

53:20

once

53:20

a dozen years ago, I

53:21

got sick. And he and

53:24

not

53:24

this sick, but I got, you know, sick.

53:27

And he

53:29

said, oh, very good

53:31

for

53:31

you. And

53:33

I I

53:34

remember thinking me what?

53:36

You know, I felt a

53:38

flare of irritation at this. And, like,

53:41

you know, how

53:42

could you say that

53:44

really? Why would

53:44

you say something like that? And he saw

53:47

my expression. He says,

53:50

look, you have a

53:51

place to go.

53:53

and this

53:54

is a

53:56

shortcut. You

53:56

didn't choose it, but

54:01

If it didn't happen, you'd

54:02

have another twenty five years of

54:04

meditation to get here. I said, you

54:06

know,

54:06

pretty much the same thing here. and

54:09

I said, I'm seeking

54:12

shortcuts. I'm fine with this.

54:14

Give me the twenty five years of

54:16

more practice and I'll scramble up the

54:18

mountain on all fours, you know, but

54:20

and again, he said the same things.

54:23

okay Yeah. Okay. doesn't

54:24

matter what you feel. And it's the same thing as the guy telling me

54:26

too bad if you don't like this feature

54:28

of humanity, but that's

54:30

what's

54:32

happening. It's a

54:32

very job experience. It's a job

54:35

book of job style thing. Job

54:37

is -- Yeah. -- just getting

54:39

dragged about by God. he

54:41

is over it. And at some point, God basically

54:44

says the same thing. Like, who are

54:46

you like who are you to question that

54:48

which made the Leviathan?

54:50

Like, what what? You what

54:52

do you want? You've given me notes. You've

54:54

given me notes as a joke. It

54:56

is a it is a very good story. Very

54:58

good story. And I just you know,

55:00

I decided a long time ago that

55:02

I wanted to live

55:05

I wanted

55:06

to write my own story

55:08

for

55:08

my own life. And I

55:10

also wanted to write stories of

55:13

ideas and to create people in relationships

55:15

that I could imbue with

55:18

some of the

55:18

things I've learned. They're not

55:21

didactic books. Not the

55:23

novels anyway, but but they have the whole you know, the stream

55:25

is in them.

55:26

stream is in Yeah.

55:28

So

55:29

you know, and

55:31

it's my favorite thing.

55:31

And now that I'm physically quite limited,

55:34

I did this workshop last

55:36

weekend.

55:37

People came to

55:39

Tucson for for some study. And, you know,

55:41

it was a couple days of movement

55:43

and philosophy put together. And,

55:46

honestly, I wasn't able to do a lot of the movement. I

55:49

I had assistance

55:50

and everything got done, you

55:52

know. but I wasn't

55:54

like I was before. And

55:56

I could I could

55:58

tell that some of the

55:59

folks there go ahead and see

56:02

me in a while. We're like, oh my god. But not

56:03

not everybody, and they

56:04

got over it. And, you know,

56:07

I just I just told

56:08

them I said,

56:10

look,

56:12

That was him as all about

56:14

change. Yeah. If I can't I

56:16

mean,

56:16

that's what this is.

56:19

and

56:20

I became a monk in this because I that

56:22

I take that philosophy

56:25

and worldviews who seriously.

56:28

that

56:28

it really makes

56:30

more sense to me than any other

56:32

story about who we

56:34

are and why we're here.

56:36

So since I like it so much and I've been telling it and

56:38

hearing it for so long and different

56:41

voices and different times

56:43

and people and books, I'm

56:46

just

56:46

gonna accept that

56:48

this is

56:49

exactly what is supposed to be happening

56:52

right now. Oh, you I mean, it's gotta be.

56:54

It's Okay. Gotta be. What do you guys? Is

56:56

there a malfunction somewhere? Is there, like, AAA

57:00

circuit somewhere of the deep space that someone's like,

57:02

oh, shit. We gotta plug this in. I'm so sorry.

57:04

It was a my my function,

57:07

so it's on me. you

57:10

know, that they're all playing us as a video

57:12

game that this whole thing is from

57:14

our from our descendants

57:16

who have created a reality kind of matrix

57:18

like and they're and they're seeing

57:20

it long. Kinda let's see what happens if

57:22

we do this, Tim. Yeah. Yeah.

57:24

Yeah. Eighty because he

57:26

handles a nurse per month. It

57:28

just could be the dinner's ready, you know. It's

57:31

dinner's ready. The way we translate getting

57:33

called to dinner know when you're

57:35

a kid and how you you experience, how I experience that these

57:38

kids these days don't get it like we typically we

57:40

just don't let us roam.

57:42

People would have dinner bells, you

57:44

have to ring the bell, you hear the bell, you

57:46

go you you don't wanna get to the point where you

57:48

hear your mother angrily

57:50

yelling for you because that means that

57:52

you've fucked up You know what I mean? So

57:54

you go when you go eat dinner. I maybe

57:56

that's we're talking about something similar, but

57:59

in a hyperdimensional level

58:01

where what we consider, like, death

58:03

letting go. It's just

58:04

ding ding ding. Come on. It's

58:06

time to eat. And then you

58:09

know, then it's there you are, your back at

58:11

the dinner table eating and and your mom's

58:13

like, you gotta stop playing that game.

58:15

Why do you always give yourself that

58:17

fungest thing. You should try a different way to

58:19

time. Yeah. And, you know, that

58:22

I

58:23

I've always had

58:26

a institution and had a lot of things wrong. Her childhood

58:28

was not robust. So

58:30

it

58:30

it's not

58:31

entirely surprising

58:34

that I got this as opposed

58:36

to some, you know, Olympic swimmer or something. But

58:38

the still

58:40

the story

58:42

Even

58:42

that is a story. You know, that's me creating a narrative

58:45

of, man, you know, I was a

58:47

little fella. Sure. It's

58:49

a little fella. and I kept

58:52

falling down and I couldn't keep up with my

58:54

friends on the bike trailer.

58:56

Okay. Now I'm old man and look what

58:58

I do. to me. Whoa. Whoa. We're a bitch. I mean, this is, like, you're

59:00

habituated to it. It's, like, what you're talk like,

59:02

the this reality, this

59:05

this truth have changed. This fact that, look,

59:07

you every single one of us is a

59:09

melting candle. No way around it. We're

59:12

melting at different

59:14

rates. Sometimes P. V. start melting faster than you thought you were gonna

59:16

melt. This

59:17

the it

59:18

seems like what crept in

59:22

are big big stories,

59:24

powerful stories, addictive stories

59:26

that are the opposite of that, that

59:29

the opposite of the melting can There's

59:32

hope. You might live forever. We're gonna find a

59:34

cure for death. We're gonna cure death. We're gonna

59:36

cure disease. There's and

59:38

so these stories became solidified. If that and if that's not

59:40

the story, the story is a distracting story.

59:42

Let's look at the midterm elections. Let's

59:45

focus on geopolitics. Let's

59:47

look at that story instead of looking at the

59:50

much bigger story which

59:52

is like we're melting

59:54

baby. We're melting down

59:56

every single one of us. that's

59:59

a really intense

1:00:02

story even though it's true. You

1:00:04

know? So I think we're

1:00:06

habituated to, like, sort of

1:00:08

echo that in varying

1:00:10

ways of attempting to bring some

1:00:14

solidity to this this very non solid,

1:00:16

very fluid, very very

1:00:18

very impossible to

1:00:22

control. situation that we find ourselves in. I I get it. You know, it's

1:00:24

a and I understand why people think

1:00:26

it works. I understand in the past,

1:00:29

of me why I would adhere

1:00:32

to that. I still do. I I don't

1:00:34

wanna spend all day thinking

1:00:36

about the fact

1:00:38

that I'm like, a old,

1:00:40

like, a candy bar

1:00:42

somebody left on a

1:00:44

sidewalk gradually

1:00:46

melting. you

1:00:49

know, one

1:00:50

of the things that

1:00:52

came out of that vision

1:00:57

was something that I had before the

1:00:59

vision, but it was heightened and

1:01:02

sharpened, which was

1:01:03

my constant

1:01:06

awareness that

1:01:06

human beings are far from the only and maybe not

1:01:09

the smartest creatures on this

1:01:11

planet and that we have somehow

1:01:13

taken it upon ourselves to

1:01:15

just be a pure force of

1:01:18

destruction? And do we do other nice

1:01:20

things? Do we have the nice symphony of

1:01:22

Beethoven? You know, do do

1:01:24

we have

1:01:25

Eulises? Yes.

1:01:26

And we

1:01:28

do amazing things.

1:01:30

Yeah. But what

1:01:33

happens somehow

1:01:35

is those amazing

1:01:36

things that we can do,

1:01:39

somehow dropped out

1:01:42

of service.

1:01:43

meaning that

1:01:44

we can't we don't use

1:01:46

those facilities now -- Right.

1:01:48

-- to for the

1:01:51

greater good, it became And

1:01:54

all about me told you.

1:01:56

Oh, yeah.

1:01:58

And and, you know, it's very

1:01:59

the problem

1:02:01

for me at

1:02:02

least with that is

1:02:04

that I'm painfully aware of the

1:02:06

consequences of those decisions

1:02:08

and actions all the time.

1:02:11

I just I'm in

1:02:13

a constant state of seeing them. I

1:02:15

don't mean negative because sometimes

1:02:17

they're very good. things we

1:02:20

do. So that's just bad things we do.

1:02:22

Yeah. But whatever they we do and

1:02:24

whether we judge them one way or the

1:02:26

other, there

1:02:28

is no

1:02:29

extracting

1:02:32

us

1:02:32

from the whole of reality.

1:02:34

And

1:02:35

enthusiasm has

1:02:38

this phrase thought

1:02:38

that was showing

1:02:40

that that was big -- Mhmm. --

1:02:43

which means, you know, when you're

1:02:45

fighting with your wife, you

1:02:47

know, step outside, take

1:02:50

your telescope,

1:02:51

and take a look

1:02:53

at the

1:02:53

farthest stuff you can

1:02:55

see. and realize that we are just this

1:02:58

little blue marble as it's often

1:03:00

called. You know the sad thing, if

1:03:01

you had a if you had a a nice

1:03:03

enough telescope, you'd probably see

1:03:05

some alien fighting with their wife.

1:03:08

So, you know, a long time ago, I wrote

1:03:10

a novel about about aliens,

1:03:12

and the subject of it was

1:03:15

they're here all the

1:03:17

time. They're in our

1:03:19

drain pipes. They're flying, you

1:03:21

know, seven sixty

1:03:23

sevens or whatever. but we just don't see them.

1:03:25

There's that fantastic story about Captain Cook

1:03:28

coming sure in Polynesia

1:03:30

and why I can't remember. And

1:03:34

the

1:03:34

natives came to the beach and there were his ships on

1:03:36

the horizon. I I find

1:03:39

this a a fabulous

1:03:41

metaphor for this whole thing.

1:03:44

and they

1:03:44

didn't see him. Yeah. Who's right there? Right

1:03:46

there. the sale. They didn't

1:03:48

see him at all. Right there. They couldn't He

1:03:52

was landing. Yeah.

1:03:54

And they can see

1:03:55

that those were human beings dressed

1:03:57

funny. You

1:03:58

know, they had no

1:03:59

ability to even to

1:04:02

even perceive those people. Why? Because they had

1:04:05

nothing nothing in

1:04:07

their experience or

1:04:08

sensorium.

1:04:10

I said, oh, you know, that's

1:04:12

a European conquerors coming to destroy our

1:04:14

island, our our way of life, take

1:04:16

our stuff, our women, all that.

1:04:20

No

1:04:20

idea.

1:04:21

No idea. Didn't

1:04:22

see him. So, you know,

1:04:25

as far as aliens go, I

1:04:27

have I'm

1:04:28

completely open to the idea that there's

1:04:30

one standing in the corner laughing while I'm

1:04:32

giving or having this chat.

1:04:34

They're in the other corner. The

1:04:36

the the the what's

1:04:39

happening right now is

1:04:40

so cool because the the the radar

1:04:43

technology that they have developed

1:04:46

is is brand new, insane, like,

1:04:48

hardcore, never before seen

1:04:50

ways

1:04:50

of, like, using radar. And so now

1:04:53

of a sudden, there's

1:04:54

this uptick in pilots seeing

1:04:57

shit that they didn't see before

1:04:59

because the radar is picking it up now,

1:05:01

like things hovering in the air. things

1:05:04

going faster than anything anyone's ever seen. It's

1:05:06

causing all this turbulence in

1:05:09

in in the government

1:05:11

because it's like what? we're

1:05:13

gonna ignore this. You're gonna ignore that.

1:05:15

You're gonna ignore the ship. We don't know what this

1:05:17

is. We didn't we learn our lesson about

1:05:19

the European conquerors. We don't know what

1:05:21

these things are. And so it's causing a lot

1:05:23

of problems because people in the military can't put the toothpaste

1:05:26

back in the tube, people in the

1:05:28

military, they swore oaths, they're

1:05:30

like, listen, I

1:05:32

have to leak this. You

1:05:34

can't tell me that I'm like, they call

1:05:36

it a swamp gassing where you'd and that's

1:05:38

what they did. They ruin people's lives.

1:05:42

Instead of gaslighting, swamp gasing, it's like, they ruin people's

1:05:44

lives. Like, people in the military

1:05:46

would encounter these things,

1:05:48

they would report it, and then

1:05:50

they're gone. It's like, you didn't see any there's no UFS. What are

1:05:53

you talking about? And now it's all

1:05:55

coming out, like, oh,

1:05:57

no. No. No. they they a report just

1:05:59

came

1:05:59

out. I can't

1:06:01

remember how many cases in

1:06:03

the report. Maybe if I'll

1:06:06

just make up a number, a thousand cases. Of those thousand cases,

1:06:08

this isn't just like someone in

1:06:10

a field, being like, whoa, I

1:06:13

just saw a thing. like people who

1:06:15

you have given the responsibility to

1:06:18

fly million

1:06:20

dollar jets. yeah And

1:06:22

of the of of

1:06:24

these half of them, something like

1:06:26

fifty percent of them cannot

1:06:28

be explained. No idea what

1:06:30

the fuck it is. No idea. So

1:06:32

yeah, I agree with you. It's

1:06:34

everywhere. They're all around

1:06:36

us. The universe is teeming

1:06:38

with tensions. and we're pretty blind to most of

1:06:40

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1:06:41

think that's exactly

1:06:43

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was a yesterday or

1:09:40

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1:09:43

or today, I

1:09:46

just saw I

1:09:46

think it was a New York Times thing, but

1:09:49

they have determined

1:09:51

that some percentage

1:09:53

of them are high performing

1:09:55

Chinese drones, which give us some

1:09:57

pause, frankly. Yeah. If we haven't

1:09:59

even been

1:10:00

able to figure out that

1:10:02

what that's what they are for the last one years. That's

1:10:05

at least to me,

1:10:07

that is not an

1:10:10

encouraging thing. On the other hand, how do we know

1:10:12

that the Japanese are

1:10:15

not seeing our

1:10:18

crazy speedy high-tech drones

1:10:20

and because of their culture, nobody talks about it at

1:10:22

all. It would really get it. Well, no. You know what? They

1:10:25

call them

1:10:25

anonymous. I read

1:10:28

it with a Chinese government is

1:10:30

calling them. They do have a name for it. It's something like anomalous weather to something. They have a funny name that

1:10:32

they're call that they're

1:10:34

calling them. They have admitted

1:10:38

the seeing some of the same

1:10:41

shit that lots of other people are seeing,

1:10:43

but in a different way than we

1:10:45

currently are. But, hey, wait a second.

1:10:47

you are telling me, so you you you you told this

1:10:49

incredible vision that you had on

1:10:51

the last podcast, and

1:10:53

you were saying people responded to it.

1:10:55

it felt like you wanted to add to your vision. Like, you were

1:10:58

gonna tell me something regarding that

1:11:00

vision you'd

1:11:02

been getting a response to it from people who were fascinated

1:11:04

as I was. But III

1:11:06

don't think that there are any sort

1:11:09

of images or things

1:11:11

to add to it. But

1:11:13

I feel like people seized on what they

1:11:15

thought was scary. Like,

1:11:20

I when I didn't

1:11:23

hear from emails and and text and

1:11:24

and even in one

1:11:27

case of phone call, I

1:11:29

think

1:11:29

I I got that people

1:11:32

were

1:11:32

i i got that people

1:11:34

were

1:11:35

disturbed by

1:11:37

it and took it as negative. One lady, you

1:11:39

know, couldn't sleep because of it kept coming

1:11:41

into

1:11:42

her mind. And

1:11:44

I felt like I

1:11:46

had to respond to that

1:11:48

one because she

1:11:49

couldn't she couldn't sleep and,

1:11:52

you know, my

1:11:52

worldview does not put that play that at

1:11:54

my doorstep. That's on her if she

1:11:55

can't sleep because things happen

1:11:57

all the time. We all

1:11:59

have stuff. but

1:12:02

I I did feel compassion and that

1:12:04

I wanted to not ever feel that way.

1:12:06

So, you know, I had a kind of

1:12:09

I thought it was a reassuring conversation and and and it was.

1:12:11

But I think the main thing about that vision

1:12:16

is

1:12:16

that focusing on just the part at the

1:12:18

end where I didn't like

1:12:19

what I saw

1:12:22

and so I kinda

1:12:24

blew

1:12:24

the connection if

1:12:27

you want.

1:12:28

Yeah. Sort

1:12:29

of doesn't capture

1:12:31

that that experience

1:12:34

and

1:12:34

a lot of other ones. Because

1:12:36

if you meditate for a very

1:12:38

long time for many years, that's

1:12:40

not the only experience

1:12:42

I've had by by

1:12:44

any means. It was just a particularly

1:12:46

timely one for when we talk

1:12:49

because it just happened

1:12:50

before that. I I never get

1:12:52

the

1:12:56

idea that any

1:12:57

of those visions

1:13:00

are negative. to me

1:13:01

the to me the takeaway from

1:13:03

them, much more significant

1:13:06

and powerful to me

1:13:10

as the experience or was not, oh, you know, humanity's gonna end up

1:13:12

in crab

1:13:12

legs floating

1:13:15

around the

1:13:16

cosmos. imprisoned

1:13:19

or something. You know, I

1:13:21

because I

1:13:21

I had a little grasping. No. No.

1:13:24

No. I like

1:13:24

us the way we are. But

1:13:27

but besides that, the whole thing,

1:13:29

the vision

1:13:30

itself, the

1:13:32

non

1:13:34

dual quality

1:13:35

of seeing the world as differently as

1:13:37

I did in that vision. And as

1:13:39

I still retain, I do.

1:13:41

Remember

1:13:41

we talked about

1:13:44

the mosquito I just can't bring

1:13:46

myself to kill him. There have been. I was already on this path, so

1:13:48

maybe you could

1:13:51

say, fewer changes than you

1:13:54

might expect from someone who had never had these ideas before. But remember, you know, taoism is

1:13:57

non dual. It's

1:13:59

all about things

1:14:01

being interconnected. And and the very

1:14:03

first stanza,

1:14:04

which III

1:14:05

know

1:14:07

you're aware of this,

1:14:10

in in the labs or sometimes called

1:14:13

the DOW2G. That

1:14:15

that very first

1:14:17

the line, the

1:14:18

first line is, you know, if if you can

1:14:24

name it,

1:14:24

name it in

1:14:26

this case,

1:14:27

Dow. That's not it. Yeah. Correct. that's not it And

1:14:31

and the deliciousness of

1:14:35

this irony of someone who

1:14:37

has such a clear vision

1:14:39

of the world,

1:14:41

the universe, everything. some

1:14:44

group of

1:14:45

people or single person

1:14:48

maybe

1:14:49

had this transcendent non dual

1:14:52

view, which you could turn

1:14:54

like a tank turret and

1:14:56

aim at anything and

1:14:58

it would reveal the same exmassive

1:15:01

interconnection. Right? Yeah.

1:15:04

He

1:15:06

went ahead and wrote the book anyway.

1:15:08

He didn't just

1:15:10

say, sorry, I

1:15:12

can't really write about this because every

1:15:14

word I say is not really the thing.

1:15:17

you know, that was

1:15:19

not You were you. Yeah. because

1:15:20

language is too

1:15:22

poultry a tool. But

1:15:27

you have to admit, if you

1:15:30

are writing the seminal book on

1:15:32

Dowism, Is

1:15:34

there a funnier first sentence in a

1:15:37

book about Darwinism than that? That

1:15:39

to me is what it

1:15:41

it shows how sparkling he was. Like, is

1:15:43

that as the funniest way to start your

1:15:45

book? Which is, like, hey, you definitely

1:15:47

agree. And it's it's one of

1:15:50

the things that, you know, I

1:15:52

have I am never going

1:15:54

to dunk a basketball. I I'll

1:15:57

just say

1:15:59

upfront, not going

1:16:01

to happen. I could take camps and practice it.

1:16:03

You know, I have short legs.

1:16:06

I

1:16:07

don't jump well.

1:16:09

I'm

1:16:09

not a great athlete

1:16:12

by any

1:16:12

means. Okay. I

1:16:14

have a I have a facility with

1:16:16

language. And

1:16:18

so even

1:16:20

though the words I'm writing

1:16:22

are not

1:16:22

the real thing anymore than

1:16:24

the lounges

1:16:25

are. I still accept that it's it's the best thing

1:16:27

I can be doing is teaching and writing,

1:16:31

mostly intertwined, actually.

1:16:32

writing mostly intertwined

1:16:34

actually and if I'm

1:16:36

a

1:16:37

tiny pupsqueak of

1:16:39

a nothing compared to

1:16:41

allowances in the way I

1:16:43

do it, but We

1:16:45

both

1:16:46

accept that even though it isn't the actual thing and we use the word moon, but that's

1:16:48

not that great celestial orbit itself. That's

1:16:50

a word M00N Right?

1:16:55

I still find story. In

1:16:58

anything we discuss,

1:17:00

we end up coming

1:17:02

up with stories, not just books.

1:17:04

put the universe

1:17:06

in terms of story. And maybe it's

1:17:08

just because of what

1:17:09

happened to me in

1:17:10

the vision or what put me clear

1:17:15

or maybe

1:17:17

it's

1:17:18

a

1:17:20

new level of understanding

1:17:22

of things. So it's that

1:17:24

event But I just

1:17:26

like I see story

1:17:26

everywhere now. I see how people connect with story.

1:17:29

You know, you

1:17:31

you mentioned

1:17:32

you you mention trying

1:17:34

to train your dogs to stay off the couch

1:17:36

with food.

1:17:37

Yeah. I train

1:17:39

I train my dog,

1:17:41

one of them. to do

1:17:43

everything I ask. They

1:17:45

have anything

1:17:45

if I've got, like,

1:17:48

really juicy, disgusting foul

1:17:50

smelling dog treats in my

1:17:52

pocket. Yeah. And some of the stuff I

1:17:54

have is you I have to wear a mask if I open the thing. It's It will

1:17:59

gag you. I've got joiners that line.

1:17:59

Morgan. Right? And

1:18:02

yeah. Put

1:18:05

that put that

1:18:07

stuff away. The dog is two raised little fingers. Yeah.

1:18:09

Just she knows

1:18:12

exactly what

1:18:14

she's doing. And and

1:18:15

so -- Yes. -- my worldview is

1:18:17

now that I

1:18:18

do believe that

1:18:20

dogs understand

1:18:22

human emotions better than we

1:18:23

understand them because it's adaptive to them

1:18:26

to do so. Yes. And she

1:18:28

knows

1:18:28

that I'm I'm not carrying

1:18:30

the treats. there's no

1:18:31

particular interest in doing what I asked. Yeah. She's not

1:18:34

she's you know, and that that

1:18:36

isn't

1:18:38

That

1:18:38

is a story, that is a different

1:18:40

story then. Yeah, you

1:18:42

know. A dog

1:18:43

just lives for me.

1:18:45

He just

1:18:46

looks at me. and she gives me the googled eyes

1:18:48

and she'll do whatever. You know

1:18:50

how many people think that about

1:18:54

their dogs? Seriously. And and, you know, the the the story

1:18:56

is really, the story is

1:18:58

really, y'all. Back to treats.

1:19:02

That's all. Yeah. It's one of

1:19:03

my favorite ways because of that. One of my

1:19:05

favorite ways of infuriating my

1:19:07

wife who really

1:19:08

has a

1:19:10

very difficult relationship with my

1:19:12

poodle is

1:19:13

because the poodle has the

1:19:15

most like, the you've never heard anything so rotten. Like, it's a banshee shriek.

1:19:18

And we got kids

1:19:21

we got

1:19:22

kids. You could put two and two

1:19:24

together. Like, she spent, you know, thirty minutes

1:19:26

finally getting the young, the baby to sleep.

1:19:28

Gatsby's

1:19:29

you know, is what

1:19:31

he sees? A squirrel, whatever. Just

1:19:33

remember something bad. Shreak Bark's baby

1:19:36

wakes up. wife is

1:19:38

like, well well, you know, it's time. We just have to give her. We have to put them down. You can't you can't

1:19:40

use the dogs for waking up

1:19:42

a baby. But and I

1:19:46

love. But my favorite thing to do is I sit on the couch with

1:19:49

him when we're hanging out at night and I was

1:19:51

I'll pet him, like, oh, Did

1:19:54

you have a bad

1:19:56

day today? You poor.

1:19:59

And he's like, Thank

1:20:01

you. It's so fun, but I I know that

1:20:03

it's a hilarious story people tell

1:20:07

about the motivation of

1:20:10

their wolf descended dog

1:20:13

whenever especially when

1:20:15

it gets romantic and,

1:20:17

like, Like, what you're saying? Well, it's

1:20:19

incredible. I I love those stories. This is but, you know, stories are great. I've

1:20:22

actually begun a little

1:20:24

book called

1:20:27

the Monca Mimi, about me and this

1:20:29

one particular dog to explore this

1:20:31

stuff. But still,

1:20:33

the amazing thing is that we keep on

1:20:35

telling ourselves. Stores alike. We gotta put

1:20:38

them down. This this isn't bridged

1:20:41

too far. It's a gag. Folks were

1:20:44

never gonna I would take I

1:20:46

don't care if that bootle only sees

1:20:48

me as a walk and treat bag.

1:20:50

I take a bullet for that well, maybe not a

1:20:52

bullet, but I I definitely do a lot

1:20:54

for that talk. So

1:20:56

Yeah. And everybody

1:20:59

retocules me about how I

1:21:00

am with the dog. Last time we

1:21:02

talked we were talking about the

1:21:03

dog. We said, alright, let's get back to dogs. Enough

1:21:06

with the dog stuff.

1:21:10

You know what? Speaking

1:21:12

of stories at Brian, we're we're at an hour.

1:21:14

Do you have maybe in a few more minutes

1:21:17

that you can chat? You can

1:21:18

keep going. Now let me dig this up.

1:21:20

I happen to have

1:21:21

with me a book

1:21:23

that is not a vision

1:21:26

that came to someone in an

1:21:28

ambulance. Have

1:21:29

you read this one? The

1:21:31

singularity is near. Brake Kurzweil? Oh, when did it come

1:21:36

out?

1:21:36

This book came out actually quite some

1:21:38

time ago, which makes it that much more incredible because the book

1:21:42

is filled. with predictions, Kirazwal, has

1:21:45

made regarding where we're

1:21:47

headed technologically. And very accurate

1:21:50

predictions and what's really awesome about it is,

1:21:53

like, many of them are

1:21:55

completely coming true. And in fact,

1:21:57

some of them are coming true

1:21:59

sooner. then he predicted that they would happen

1:21:59

Kurzweld predicts that by two

1:22:02

thousand and forty five, we

1:22:04

will have

1:22:06

that's when we're gonna have nanobots that disassemble our bodies,

1:22:09

reassemble our bodies. This is when,

1:22:11

like, what you're talking about. This

1:22:13

is when we we we go

1:22:15

in those crab legs. basically. And

1:22:17

I just wanted to

1:22:19

dig up in

1:22:21

here. The

1:22:22

the part where he kind of describes exactly what

1:22:25

your vision is was.

1:22:27

And let me just dig

1:22:29

this

1:22:29

up. I'm sorry, I didn't

1:22:31

have this prepared let me

1:22:34

just find it because

1:22:36

it is shockingly similar

1:22:38

to what

1:22:40

you saw.

1:22:40

Let me

1:22:42

see if and also another person who a similar

1:22:46

the

1:22:47

a

1:22:50

similar

1:22:50

vision was

1:22:53

Tim

1:22:56

Leary. Let me just

1:22:56

find this. If you have just one second

1:22:59

for me to look this Here

1:23:00

we go.

1:23:01

I'm

1:23:02

gonna get to the part

1:23:04

where

1:23:05

any get in the part where

1:23:07

there's a lot of emotional pushback to Kurt's well

1:23:09

and a lot of

1:23:10

people who really think

1:23:13

he's got it spot on.

1:23:15

And and I am someone

1:23:16

who's kind of in

1:23:18

the

1:23:18

middle on that subject.

1:23:24

Well, the oh, here's the thing.

1:23:26

The the reason that they're I can't find it,

1:23:27

man. I'm sorry. Should I I'll

1:23:29

send it to you when I

1:23:32

find it? essentially,

1:23:33

he says the exact same thing.

1:23:35

We're going to disassemble our bodies and fly universe essentially. Like,

1:23:39

our way of what we

1:23:42

even consider to be a body and in our and consciousness is this is going to look like a

1:23:45

chrysalis phase, essentially.

1:23:48

In the This

1:23:50

is the critique. Their critique

1:23:52

is coming from environmentalists.

1:23:54

One of the great

1:23:56

critics of what he calls singularity

1:23:59

singularityism. It's a religion.

1:24:00

It's from one of my friends,

1:24:02

Doug Rush coffee's written

1:24:03

some great books. And

1:24:08

his analysis of it is it's

1:24:10

a it's a dream of being

1:24:13

saved. The idea is

1:24:15

that respond to what's happening in the

1:24:18

world, you have this fantasy that

1:24:20

technology at some point is going to

1:24:22

reverse all the damage we've done to the

1:24:24

planet and

1:24:26

everything will get better. And is analysis of that is, like, this is fucking bullshit same

1:24:28

people who you think

1:24:30

are gonna save you are

1:24:34

currently investing in million dollar bomb shelters

1:24:37

in New Zealand. So

1:24:39

your dream of some

1:24:42

technological messiah or shift

1:24:44

is just that. It's

1:24:46

a

1:24:46

sad dream. Nothing is going to save us.

1:24:49

it going to save us

1:24:50

Nothing. We're fucked. We don't

1:24:53

get to be the technological

1:24:55

crab legs. We don't get

1:24:55

to be that. We get

1:24:57

to

1:24:58

be ash

1:25:00

covered like,

1:25:01

cancer ridden remnants

1:25:07

of humanity say that. That's my language, but

1:25:09

that's the critique. He's like, come on. It's

1:25:11

not nothing's saving us. And and

1:25:13

and and it's not a river.

1:25:15

And it's not it's

1:25:18

not a it's it's just bad. It's just bad and and and we

1:25:20

need to fix the planet.

1:25:22

That's varying degrees of that complaint.

1:25:27

or critique is what I've heard. That's why people bash it and

1:25:29

react to it that way. The other

1:25:32

critique, of course,

1:25:35

is it's inhumane. you're talking about giving up

1:25:37

our humanity. This isn't a it's not consensual for everybody.

1:25:39

Not everybody wants

1:25:42

this to

1:25:43

happen. You

1:25:47

know,

1:25:48

you

1:25:51

bringing

1:25:51

this up really shines

1:25:54

a

1:25:55

line on something

1:25:57

about

1:25:59

towers thought that

1:26:01

be giles

1:26:02

me and has

1:26:03

for

1:26:04

so long. Right?

1:26:06

Cool. because and and it's so

1:26:08

interesting this is coming up

1:26:10

now. Over the weekend, in

1:26:13

the

1:26:13

last week, in conversations with

1:26:15

two different students, both

1:26:18

middle

1:26:19

aged

1:26:20

women. They

1:26:21

really wanted me

1:26:24

to focus what does and has to say

1:26:26

about death and about what happens after

1:26:31

you die. and I I kept putting out my

1:26:32

hands and saying,

1:26:34

please, don't do this

1:26:38

to this belief.

1:26:40

system or this science

1:26:42

or color what you want? Because we

1:26:45

don't mostly

1:26:48

go there.

1:26:49

Part

1:26:50

of what makes this all so attractive to me, Indian theory,

1:26:55

the focus on change, harmony,

1:26:58

balance. What what beguiles me

1:27:00

most

1:27:00

about

1:27:04

this? is it does not

1:27:06

require

1:27:06

any belief in any story or

1:27:10

doctrine it doesn't ask that

1:27:13

a view. Yeah. It

1:27:15

doesn't also provide

1:27:18

the emotional suck or

1:27:21

that many

1:27:21

religions have provided to many populations over the

1:27:24

course of

1:27:28

human history. whether it

1:27:30

was Christians, who were Jews,

1:27:32

offering

1:27:36

a a less orthodox take on

1:27:38

how to still be a Jew, but be have

1:27:40

a little easier time. You don't

1:27:42

have to

1:27:43

make love through us. feet.

1:27:46

You don't have to face certain

1:27:48

direction. You know, like most

1:27:51

of them people do. You don't have

1:27:53

to eat certain things, but not other things all

1:27:55

the time. Blah blah blah. those strictures

1:27:57

which made life very challenging.

1:27:59

Some people really

1:28:01

want

1:28:03

to be told. It's

1:28:05

like how many people are going to rejoice point in

1:28:07

a few days. Trump announces

1:28:12

his as an expert. A lot.

1:28:13

How many people are gonna stand on the edge of a cliff and go, oh my god.

1:28:15

What Yeah. How

1:28:19

can I deal? So

1:28:22

somehow,

1:28:22

mail when

1:28:24

you have

1:28:25

a faith or

1:28:26

religion or a philosophy, that

1:28:30

doesn't try by

1:28:32

proseizing or promising. Buddhism did

1:28:35

this too when

1:28:36

it first came

1:28:39

to China. you know, there were all these some

1:28:40

very Shamanistic doubt

1:28:43

is like religions, but

1:28:45

the life of the average

1:28:47

person who was just so effing

1:28:49

miserable. They were gonna be constrict

1:28:51

at any moment, the emperor's troops would come through

1:28:53

and conscript them to

1:28:55

war, fight against Right.

1:28:58

Somebody they never heard of about something. care their again.

1:29:00

If you're fifteen to

1:29:03

fifty, off you go.

1:29:06

If if the buddha comes

1:29:08

in and talks about

1:29:11

the pure land and

1:29:12

talks about

1:29:13

a system of karmurin,

1:29:15

which you can do certain things to direct the

1:29:18

course of your

1:29:19

at

1:29:21

home after life.

1:29:23

This is very

1:29:24

attractive story. Yeah.

1:29:26

Everybody just like,

1:29:28

you know, Jesus walked on

1:29:30

water and he's gonna save her at

1:29:32

least these stories are are

1:29:34

the Jews who so it's

1:29:35