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Greetings to you friends, it is I.

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Difei Trussell, and this is the Dunketrussell family

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on our podcast and Holy Lord in heaven

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we've got a blazer for you

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today. First, some backstory.

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When I was in high school, I became obsessed

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with an author. Robert

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Monroe. He wrote a bunch of books, the

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most famous being journeys out of the body,

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which are his accounts

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of the experiences he

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had when he figured out how to do something, you've

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probably heard of astral projection.

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Now, this is a very old idea.

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Maybe one of oldest ideas. Different

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cultures have different ways of expressing it.

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But essentially, the the ideas

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you can like,

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launch yourself out of the sheath

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of your body and fly around

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the material universe. Now,

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do we really have a soul. They can launch itself

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out of a sheath that we

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call our body. I don't know. There's all kinds

0:58

of weird stuff wrapped up in actual projection.

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a kind of silvery cord that

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connects you to your body, that tethers you

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to your body, and if that cord should be cut,

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you're out of here, baby. Again,

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I don't know if we actually have

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a soul or some kind of astral

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aspect to us that can fly

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outside of the body. I don't know.

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I I speculate that astral projection

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is really just form of lucid

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dreaming, but who knows? I speculate

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it could be a way to induce sleep

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paralysis. That thing you've probably experienced

1:32

where you wake up, you can't move, some people

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claimed that they feel like an old lady

1:37

sitting on their chest. There's lots of

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stories about it, documentaries, about it.

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Truly, I don't know. But when I was in

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high school, I diligently

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began studying Robert Monroe's techniques

1:49

of astral projection, his

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methods of relaxing and all of

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the ways that you're supposed to come

1:55

out of your body by, like, rolling out

1:57

of it. Lots of weird little tricks. I

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could never

1:59

pull it off. But

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my mom had a tape, a

2:04

hypnotic tape on astral

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projection. And for a while, every night

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I would listen to it. I still remember

2:12

it. It would sort of try

2:14

to relax you by having you imagine

2:16

that you're on an escalator or something,

2:18

and then after you fell asleep,

2:20

it would continue and

2:22

seed you with methods

2:25

or the ways to come out of

2:27

your body. Most importantly, it would sort of

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implant in you the belief

2:31

that this is something you could achieve. So

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one morning, I

2:35

was skipping school and

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lying in bed. I'd fallen asleep.

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And, you know, that that wonderful,

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deep, relaxing sleep

2:45

used to get in high school

2:47

when you were skipping school and went

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to bed. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about,

2:52

but

2:54

Four Starz level of sleep.

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I was deep asleep and then

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I

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thought I heard somebody.

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knocking on the door of our

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house, I woke up

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and suddenly my fan

3:09

was right in my face. Now,

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In those days, I was taking LSD

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all the time. So my first

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thought was, oh, this is some kind of asset

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flashback. And

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then,

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III

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kinda drifted around

3:25

and saw myself asleep

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in bed and realized

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that my mom's hip no

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tapes had actually

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worked. I was

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doing astral projection.

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it was not what

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I had fantasize. What I had fantasizes like

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I'd be able to fly around, spy

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on people, go through walls, do

3:47

anything I wanted, but this was

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terrifying. There was a sense

3:52

of a dark looming

3:54

presence in the room, and I just

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wanted to get back in my body. So

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somehow, I I managed

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to float down to

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my body. I floated through my

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body and landed on the floor

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underneath my bed and then opened my eyes

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and I was wide awake. After

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that, it happened, I don't know, maybe ten

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or twelve more times. Each

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time was pretty scary

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and I never really liked it. Maybe

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that's why I can't do it anymore though

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I have try it a few times.

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There there's lots of methods out there if you're

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interested in doing

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astral projection journeys out of

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the body is probably the best

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place you could go. If you're interested

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in lucid dreaming, there's

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lots of techniques out there. One of

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them is really, really curious.

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The idea is you sort of set a

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timer on your watch

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in every hour, you're

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you're your your alarm goes off

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and you think to yourself

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am I dreaming? And

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if you're not dreaming, you just go

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back to your regular life. But if

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you do this long enough, then what will happen

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is in a dream your

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alarm will go off and you will be

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lucid dreaming. You'll be able to to

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enjoy what it's like to have some kind

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of conscious control

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over your dreams. And this

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is something that for sure people

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can do. You might have experienced it yourself. In

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fact, it's one of the best things that can

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happen as an when you're in having a nightmare

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and suddenly you remember that

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you're in a dream. Like,

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right away, the night the nightmare transforms.

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Now, in this incredible book

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written by today's guest, Tins and

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Wongo Rimpache, the tibetan

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yogas of dream and sleep, all of this

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gets kind of turned on its head

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instead of setting alarms

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or reminding yourself throughout the day

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that you're awake. You

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do the opposite. Throughout the

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day, you actually Tell

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yourself this is a dream too. What's

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the difference? It's still

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like a dream. Now, that is

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a very psychedelic practice.

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It's incredible and weird and I still

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remember reading about it and just

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being overwhelmed by

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that thought experiment. The the

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thought experiment of wondering yourself, what

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if this is a dream? This thing that we

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call being awake. Maybe

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it's a more consistent dream.

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Maybe it's a more stable dream. And

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whenever I'm dreaming, I'm sort of jumping from

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one incarnation to the next to the

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next to the next. But, you

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know, if you think about any given life, you're jumping

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from one incarnation to the next the next to the

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next to the Even while you're alive, I

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mean, in the same way dreams have that

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weird fluid quality

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to them where you don't really question

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the how strange it is that one second you

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could be sitting on a plane, the next

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second you might be riding a tiger,

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because I guess the way we experience

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time when we're awake is

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different than when we dream. We don't

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notice so much how massively

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different things are from

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one year to the next to the next to

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the next. And there is a quality in

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that kind of transformation or

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fluidity of anybody's life that

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is very dream like. So

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that's just one little piece

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of Tibetan

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dream yoga. I mean, obviously, I'm no

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expert in Tibetan dream yoga, but

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today's guest truly

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is. I don't even it must

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be a dream because I actually

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got to talk to Tien tsin

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Huangshai about

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his incredible book. And I'm

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really excited to share the

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conversation that we had.

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Get ready. It is a very

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intense psychedelic conversation.

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We're gonna jump right into it, but

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Wangyour Rimpache.

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Rampus

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Shea, welcome to the DTFH. I'm

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thrilled to meet you. Thank you so much

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for being here.

13:38

Thank you. I I thought we could I

13:40

have a question to start off,

13:43

and I

13:44

think this will help us jump right into

13:47

the dreamyoga,

13:48

which I am really interested

13:51

in. In in your book, you

13:53

say, if we lose ourselves every

13:55

night,

13:55

What chance do we have to be aware

13:58

when death comes? So I was

13:59

wondering, why

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do we need to be aware when

14:04

death comes?

14:09

The

14:09

role of awareness is always the same.

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I think every single

14:13

moment in our life

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the moment you're

14:17

aware,

14:19

more good chance

14:21

that you are more connected

14:23

to yourself, good chance

14:25

that you will not lose yourself,

14:27

not lose things. Like,

14:29

even when you lose phone, I often lose

14:31

my iPhone. So I

14:34

very often, I remember when I

14:36

when I keep my phone somewhere,

14:38

I'm looking at myself and saying I'm

14:40

putting here, I'm putting you here, and

14:42

I'm all aware of you, and I'm

14:44

gonna pick it up back. So if

14:46

I'm not aware so usually,

14:48

as you put somewhere, you

14:50

forget and you

14:53

forget to pick it up, you lose

14:55

it. So give me the moment of the

14:57

death. It's so important that you

14:59

are you are aware of yourself

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so you don't get loss in the

15:03

part of the in the intermediate state.

15:05

Now,

15:06

the

15:08

bardo, the intermediate state Let's

15:10

imagine someone dies in

15:12

an unaware state.

15:15

What can

15:17

they spect in the bardo? And

15:19

what is the thing within the bardo

15:21

that is is experiencing anything

15:24

at all? As opposed

15:26

to a person who

15:28

dies with awareness?

15:30

Yeah. So it's a similar thing that

15:33

even during the daytime, there

15:35

are so many moments people

15:38

get completely get lost.

15:41

They kill people. They suicide

15:43

themselves. They weird lot

15:45

of harms

15:47

in the society. In the

15:49

very moment, when they are not

15:51

aware, they are completely

15:54

caught up in their deep

15:56

pain stories and depressions and

15:58

anxieties.

15:59

So if

16:00

they are aware of those moments,

16:02

they are they are able to see

16:05

one not happy. They're

16:07

very down. They feel very

16:09

negative. But I

16:12

should be more aware, the

16:14

consequences of what I do and

16:16

what I say. So

16:18

even having that awareness, you

16:20

protect yourself more when

16:22

to talk and when not to talk, when

16:24

to act, and when not to act

16:26

same way. In the past though,

16:28

it's it's more serious because

16:31

it's not a transition of a

16:33

a day or week one

16:35

month is a transition of life.

16:37

You are if you are going to go

16:39

in the wrong direction, you go for all

16:41

the entire life time.

16:44

So if you go in the right direction, you go for

16:46

entire lifetime. It's not like a, you

16:48

know, doing a mis mis leaving

16:50

your phone or doing a wrong turn in the

16:52

highway. Gotcha. it it's sort of like

16:54

going to a movie theater except

16:56

the movie lasts for your entire lifetime.

16:59

You wanna pick a good movie. You just don't

17:01

wanna run into any theater. You might end

17:03

up in The Texas chainsaw massacre.

17:06

Yeah. I got it. Yeah. Okay.

17:08

Thank you.

17:10

in

17:10

your book, you point out something that I don't

17:13

think many

17:13

of us have considered,

17:15

we

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spend one

17:19

third

17:19

of our lives

17:21

sleeping and to

17:24

bring back to what you said initially

17:26

and even when we're awake,

17:28

Where

17:28

were we when we lost our phone? Where were we

17:31

when we lost our keys? If you

17:33

add to

17:33

that one third, the

17:35

times in the

17:36

day

17:37

when

17:38

we're not there,

17:40

it

17:40

seems like we're we're barely

17:42

here at all.

17:44

So

17:44

--

17:45

Yes. really scary. It's

17:48

scary, but I but I'm

17:50

curious. Where in

17:52

those moments where we have lost

17:54

our phone, Where are we?

17:56

Like, what from from

17:58

your perspective, what has become

17:59

of us? what

18:02

was there? What what happened?

18:05

Yeah. And I think as every

18:08

spiritual tradition talk about

18:10

the famous being the present

18:12

moment. Present moment

18:14

is a is a gift of our

18:16

life. So what happened is

18:18

most of the time we

18:21

get lost. Before

18:23

we lose our phone, we get

18:25

lost our self. Before we

18:28

get turned, long term, we

18:30

get lost ourselves. So

18:32

before we lose it, you take a long

18:34

direction in the intermediate sit state of

18:36

birth, though, we get lost

18:38

ourselves. So I think the main thing is

18:40

we get lost in our

18:44

pain

18:44

stories

18:46

some

18:46

Saric stories. We have so much stories.

18:49

So and we not only

18:51

we have so much stories of the past,

18:55

And constantly, we are

18:57

always creating a stories in every

18:59

given moment. Instead

19:01

of letting a resting

19:03

lever from a moment. We lock rest.

19:06

okay Okay.

19:07

right Right.

19:08

Yes. Even even some some some sometimes

19:10

I will fall asleep.

19:12

And it's thank goodness it

19:14

doesn't it hasn't happened as much,

19:17

but Sometimes I'll wake up more tired

19:19

than when I went to sleep. I don't know if

19:21

you've I doubt you have because you are a ricochet.

19:24

I don't know. Have you ever had the experience where you

19:26

fall asleep? And

19:27

in

19:28

your dream, you work. Have you ever

19:31

had that happen? Let wasn't even a Yeah.

19:33

So sometimes sometimes, definitely, that happens.

19:35

So I think, you

19:37

know, when you

19:40

are sleeping, It

19:42

depends on what kind of quality

19:44

sleep you have, what how deep you're

19:47

sleeping, how long you're sleeping, So

19:49

how much your sleep is interrupted

19:52

or not, it factors in so

19:54

many different things. So when

19:56

you do sleep like a

19:58

power nap, it could be like

19:59

a Tony minute. You you will

20:02

sleep. You'll come back with so much

20:04

more clarity and awareness. Rather

20:06

than putting that Tony minute,

20:09

working so hard, trying to be more

20:11

clear, trying to be

20:13

more aware, and exhaust yourself.

20:15

You don't have any more energy to

20:17

be clear. is better to sleep

20:19

and wake up and more clarity than

20:21

trying to be clear and lose the

20:23

energy to full clarity you

20:25

have. that mistake we do all

20:27

the time in our life.

20:29

gotcha Gotcha. The

20:31

particularly in the west, we think working

20:34

harder, doing more is better.

20:37

No. Taking break, getting

20:39

rest, you recover better. long

20:41

term, you're gonna be way more productive.

20:45

Even even in a short time, you know,

20:47

even even in afternoon, when

20:49

you you're trying to drink double express or I'm trying to do

20:51

something is better to not drink double express

20:53

or take it to short nap and

20:56

wake up. it's it's right there.

20:58

You are much better. Well,

21:00

you you know, in in the

21:02

west, if there

21:03

is a spiritual component

21:05

to

21:06

sleeping.

21:08

Generally,

21:08

that it's, you know, I don't know

21:10

if you've ever seen I think they're

21:12

sort of silly. The websites

21:14

I dreamed of a bird. They'll say,

21:17

oh, you dreamed of a bird. It means money

21:19

is coming or something ridiculous like

21:21

that. As opposed

21:23

to what you teach, which

21:25

is I I

21:26

just I

21:27

mean, I I clearly remember

21:29

the experience I had reading your

21:32

book. I remember the

21:34

feeling as you are inviting me

21:36

to see waking

21:39

life as a dream. Oh,

21:41

what an odd

21:44

since it came over me. It

21:46

was a it was

21:47

I don't

21:48

wanna say unnerving, but

21:51

I

21:51

just don't think I'd spent any amount of time

21:54

considering the drew the dreamlike quality

21:56

of waking life, at least in the way you were able to dial

21:58

it in in your wonderful

21:59

book. i'm

22:01

So this thing that

22:03

you are teaching, it's not

22:05

like even the union archetypes or

22:08

anything like that. It's much deeper than

22:10

that. It Can you talk about it

22:12

this idea that there

22:14

is actually some opportunity for

22:16

a

22:17

spiritual practice within the dreaming

22:19

state. Before I read your book, I'd I'd

22:21

never even heard of that before.

22:23

Sure.

22:24

So I

22:25

think, you know,

22:28

in our life, we

22:31

all need to take a

22:33

break from

22:34

our ego. Stories

22:37

of our ego.

22:40

Stories of our pain. stories,

22:43

our conflict, the push

22:45

of our ego to try

22:47

and always trying to do something, achieve

22:50

something,

22:50

compete

22:53

someone.

22:53

This this whole

22:55

energy draining machine

22:58

that we have running twenty four hour seven, we need

23:00

you to learn how to take a break.

23:03

And naturally, we sometime, we do

23:05

take a break. So, like, you're

23:07

sleeping. You're supposed when you sleep,

23:09

you're supposed to sleep deep

23:12

and and

23:13

the and

23:14

good quality. When you're taking a

23:16

weekend, you're supposed to take a good

23:19

weekend off. When you're taking a

23:21

family time, a good family

23:23

time of or even the idea

23:25

of intermittent fasting. You know? Like,

23:27

fasting in

23:29

in in our culture, we do fast in between

23:31

the food. In the western culture and American

23:33

culture, you have snack culture. Mhmm.

23:35

You you have big meals,

23:37

And in between big meals, you have a snacks

23:40

or so many snacks. So you're

23:42

never giving a break to your

23:44

organs, particularly your liver, and

23:46

your liver is getting drained again and again and again,

23:48

it's like having a bad boss. You're

23:51

given a task. And before you

23:53

finish it, you're given another task.

23:55

you

23:55

finish, then you have a bigger

23:58

task. So we we need

24:00

you

24:00

can just

24:02

really break in our system. So sleep

24:05

over is and sleep yoga and dream yoga is

24:07

is saying you are taking a break

24:09

anyway. Learn to take

24:11

it better. apply

24:13

your spiritual awareness in

24:15

them so that one third of

24:17

over your life, not completely

24:20

lost. There's some

24:22

development is happening. The

24:24

the you make

24:25

a distinction. I wonder if you could talk about the

24:27

distinction between the the sort

24:30

of sleep

24:30

that could result from

24:32

this yoga versus

24:34

what

24:35

most of us think of as sleep. Like

24:37

when I think of sleep, I think I down

24:40

and I

24:41

get

24:42

a little dimmer.

24:44

Maybe I'll feel how good the pillow

24:47

feels. mattress feels

24:49

good. There's some

24:51

moment where my body old

24:53

jerk, then I'll have a series of weird

24:55

dreams, maybe wake up in the morning. This

24:57

is how I sleep. Can

24:59

you talk about

25:01

the difference between that kind of

25:03

non yogic sleep and

25:06

they sleep that you're talking about?

25:08

Yeah. So so

25:09

we basically, we think about three

25:11

different kind of sleep. One, we

25:14

call sleep of ClearLight,

25:16

The most important, most profound

25:18

experience is the sleep of clear light.

25:20

Sleep of clear light is

25:23

when when you are when

25:25

you're able to totally

25:28

rest deep enough, so

25:30

they are all your conceptual

25:33

mind story of the

25:35

day, pain of your

25:37

emotions, none of them

25:39

will interfere your higher quality

25:42

of sleep. You know, we know sometimes, some days has

25:44

embarrassed me as other

25:46

days is a worse sleep. The better

25:49

sleep when you think my day was

25:51

productive, my day was great. I

25:53

have my family visiting me. I love

25:55

them. They love me. You have a one

25:57

wonderful day experience. You go

25:59

to sleep. your good night sleep. So

26:01

you'll you'll sleep well next morning, you'll

26:03

feel, you know, more like

26:05

an arrested, more uplifting,

26:08

more and positive energy by

26:10

the day when he hits

26:12

you, your boss

26:14

fires you, your family have

26:16

rejected you, you

26:17

you have

26:19

deep emotional crisis inside

26:21

you.

26:22

Your fear is completely up.

26:25

So like night like that, when you go

26:27

to sleep, you know, you know, you wait.

26:29

Of course, first, you don't go to sleep. You

26:31

maybe go pieces of sleep. You

26:33

have a night lapse. You wake up

26:35

totally exhausted. So

26:36

the whole entire life

26:38

is like that. So it's not so much

26:41

question about what happens to

26:43

you. It's more what

26:45

you do with or how you

26:47

process what happens to you. So

26:49

sometime, negative x rays are gonna

26:51

happen. If you know how to handle them

26:53

better, you still go to sleep okay.

26:56

Sometimes you have a good good day. But

26:58

the last morning, you have one bad thought.

27:00

That's you you don't need more.

27:02

One single bad thought after a whole

27:04

good day, is enough to mess up all of

27:06

you?

27:06

Yes. My mind is good

27:09

at producing those thoughts. Incredible

27:11

in fact, like a terrible heckler,

27:13

right, before I'm falling asleep. Amazing.

27:17

So, okay, the sleep

27:19

of clear light.

27:20

that

27:21

Some

27:23

warnings

27:25

after what

27:25

you just described, rejection

27:27

from the family, some horrible

27:30

fight something rotten's

27:32

going on.

27:35

I'll

27:35

wake up in the

27:37

best mood ever feeling

27:40

so good And then within

27:42

a few seconds, it's like,

27:44

my mind reminds me what happened

27:46

the night before. Is

27:48

that the clear light that you're talking about? Is this kind of not The

27:51

clear the clear light

27:54

is is

27:54

it the

27:56

moment all your

27:58

pain

27:59

stories

28:00

dissolves like an water, you know, when

28:03

you don't shake it, like a little

28:05

spring water. When you shake it with the

28:07

money, it's and when you leave

28:09

it for a couple of hours, all

28:11

the rocks and stones goes down, all

28:13

the leaves comes up in the middle

28:15

is the crystal clear water.

28:18

So your mind, when you go to sleep, when

28:20

you're able to let more, able

28:23

to rest, then your mind

28:25

becomes completely clear

28:27

like like, a autumn sky.

28:29

We say autumn sky. No clouds.

28:32

And then that experience

28:34

in sleep, it's called clear light

28:37

where you are able to be aware

28:39

of that inner sky,

28:41

inner light without

28:43

any stories or pain.

28:46

that's like like a when another

28:48

word, you when you're really able

28:50

to see yourself and experience

28:53

yourself, without your all the thoughts and

28:55

emotions. That's a clear light

28:57

experience. And

28:59

and But

29:00

when we say sleep of some sara, sleep

29:03

of some sara means sleep

29:05

where you have dreams

29:08

every single dream it's your

29:10

subsided stories. It has

29:12

something to do with your

29:14

activity. of the day. It has something to

29:16

do with your how you think about

29:18

that? How you see about it? How

29:21

you feel about it? all

29:23

your stories related with

29:25

it when that becomes a dominating

29:27

factor and take over

29:29

and you've produced a lot of

29:31

dreams. Yes. So that becomes called samsonic

29:33

sleep. You you have stories

29:35

-- Yes. -- dreams. Sometime

29:37

we call clear light sleep,

29:40

clear the clear light

29:43

dream. Clear light dream is a

29:45

dream more predictable

29:47

dreams, a dream in which you can meet

29:50

teachers, dream in which you can

29:52

connect with your inner sources, get a lot of

29:54

information, inner knowledge, from

29:56

yourself,

29:56

from other other beings,

29:59

other masters.

30:00

So so these

30:03

are different kind of sleek,

30:05

dreams. From time to time, I

30:07

have dreams where

30:10

people

30:12

or to Tibetan

30:14

Buddhist monks give me

30:16

dharma talks. And I'll it's

30:19

I love it when it

30:21

happens. I'll wake

30:23

up in the morning, and

30:25

I can't remember much of what they taught,

30:27

but it's a deep it's like a like,

30:29

I'm sitting in a lecture hall or

30:31

they're just teaching.

30:32

So

30:33

who are

30:34

who are those people? Are do

30:36

you when you are

30:38

not doing your retreats,

30:40

Do

30:40

you go into people's dreams and

30:43

teach

30:44

them? No.

30:45

I think it's more like

30:47

a it's people who have I

30:49

have dreams like that with my teachers. I

30:52

regularly visit him. He

30:54

regularly appears in my dream. I

30:56

regularly are question. He really

30:58

answered my questions. Then I

31:00

sometimes very, very long and

31:02

a very impressive, very sequential.

31:05

And I asked him, you know, he I I would say, do

31:07

you come in my dream? He's

31:09

he would smile. So, basically,

31:11

I think it's not some time, not

31:14

so much he's coming in

31:16

me or in my dream more

31:18

than I'm creating a space in

31:20

my higher self. which is

31:23

becoming as a form of teacher, the teacher that

31:25

I know out of

31:27

world. So that out

31:29

of my out of teacher Now

31:31

my inner teacher, they they come together,

31:34

one is the essence, one is a form,

31:36

but it's communicating to me.

31:39

So my hire self is communicating me.

31:42

My other teacher is communicating

31:44

me with my hire self. Whatever

31:46

way you wanted to look at. I think

31:49

that's That's how I see it. That's a that that

31:51

makes that makes a lot of sense. The the

31:56

my,

31:56

you know, my method which

31:59

please don't judge me

31:59

for this when I say method.

32:02

But it's very lazy I guess you

32:04

would say. When I'm

32:06

Following

32:06

his sleep, I will ask for that, or I'll put

32:08

that in into my last thoughts.

32:10

And then sometimes I get lucky and

32:12

it'll happen, not all the time.

32:15

a lot of the times I'm just running

32:17

from a ghost or something, but sometimes

32:19

it works in

32:22

I I

32:22

guess I would

32:24

I'm interested in the distinction

32:27

between this and astro

32:30

projection, lucid dreaming, and

32:33

the various sort of,

32:35

you know, new age spiritual

32:37

methods that allow you to

32:39

you

32:39

know, come into waking

32:43

space but in the astro

32:45

form. Yeah.

32:46

I think, you know,

32:48

the absolute shape out of

32:51

body experiences could

32:54

be very beneficial. If it's

32:57

guided properly, if with

32:59

the knowledge

33:02

and sometime I

33:05

tell in my students, I

33:07

tell them, you

33:08

know, you guys are always too much out

33:10

of the body anyway. If you

33:12

want to learn something, You

33:14

have to learn how to embody yourself, how to be

33:16

in your body, not out of your body. Because

33:18

most of the time, you are out of your

33:20

body. Yes. Yes. for

33:24

sure. That's hilarious. Okay.

33:26

That's a one to thank you. I get that.

33:29

Well,

33:29

this

33:31

idea of the story. It's

33:34

very controversial to some people.

33:37

Some people

33:38

they feel quite

33:39

committed to the story. You know, if

33:42

you suggest when someone

33:44

is

33:46

expressing discontent,

33:49

that this is a store this is a story

33:51

that you're telling yourself

33:54

that that that there might

33:56

be more to you than just this

33:58

story or that there may be that you're

33:59

telling a story to make sense of

34:02

some fundamental

34:04

suffering,

34:04

but the story is not quite

34:06

as real as the suffering.

34:08

Could you talk a

34:09

little bit more

34:11

about this this tendency

34:13

in human beings to

34:15

sort of instantaneously

34:18

produce an explanatory

34:21

reason for all of the

34:23

pain that seems to go along with

34:25

being in a human body. Yeah.

34:27

I think and one main thing

34:29

from business perspective

34:32

is is always

34:35

human beings always have identity

34:38

crisis. You know?

34:40

I mean, in the in the west,

34:42

you know, you say about identity crisis. We

34:44

think about, yeah, people have identity crisis, you know, middle

34:47

aged people having identity crisis

34:50

when they're when their body

34:52

is weak, they're gonna get a stronger car,

34:54

you know, like That's what I did. I have

34:56

a big truck and

34:58

fancy a car or something

35:00

like that. or when they

35:02

people lose their job, sometimes

35:04

it's not they get into so much

35:06

pain because of they are losing their sense

35:08

sense of identity,

35:10

power, position, And

35:12

teenagers, you know, when they

35:14

are going through struggles, they're trying to

35:16

look for themselves, you know, trying to separate

35:19

themselves from their parents. trying to find

35:21

himself who they are, identity crisis, a war

35:23

in Russia, a war in

35:25

Ukraine in Russia, right

35:27

now identity crisis. You know, I basically

35:30

is identity crisis. So you

35:32

instead of

35:33

becoming an enemy, you can become a

35:35

friend. You know, one the one

35:37

of the best way to resolve the pro conflict in

35:39

in two countries to get it

35:41

to become closer.

35:44

not trying to take over each other. Yeah. Oh, like,

35:46

people will come. I

35:47

mean, you you see in the in the you you

35:49

asked, there's all these different

35:52

states. becoming a one as a one country rather than, you

35:54

know, us thinking about all

35:56

the time still fighting between tax

35:59

a send company. Yeah. I

35:59

don't know what else he he

36:02

had. So if

36:03

if between even two people, you know,

36:05

you can have a company, you can argue and

36:07

fight all the time, or you can

36:09

maybe the best

36:10

solution is how to connect with each

36:12

other, how to become friends.

36:14

So friends, friendship is

36:18

as a solution for conflict, not the war.

36:21

Right? So I think that it's

36:23

always the issue of identity. This

36:25

is what it is. So

36:28

I did, but you don't know who you are. You're

36:30

always trying to be

36:32

something someone.

36:35

And always there's something someone has to create

36:37

a story to beat.

36:39

Right?

36:40

So even

36:42

in a dream, you might not

36:44

be you. What do you think who you are? You might be somebody else. Sometimes you

36:46

can dream about being animals. You can

36:49

you can dream about

36:50

men, you can dream about being a

36:52

woman. can dream about

36:54

being a man or human can dream about

36:56

being tighter. You know,

36:58

or maybe the the the monkeys

37:00

can dream about being human. I

37:03

don't know. So it's always

37:04

the identity is what

37:07

crisis of identity is what creates

37:09

all these stories of

37:11

pain. So there's this

37:15

possibility.

37:16

And I think, you

37:18

know, I I think many of my listeners have

37:20

heard of this possibility that

37:22

the the possibility being that

37:24

via some spiritual practice a

37:27

reacquaintance

37:29

with something that is

37:31

not so

37:31

transient. I think

37:34

it must be the clear light that you're

37:36

talking about. Could relieve

37:38

this identity crisis. Could show

37:41

you that there's a more stable Yeah.

37:44

So for example, if somebody tells

37:46

you, you know, if somebody tell

37:50

ask you a

37:51

story of your pain, you

37:53

will have

37:54

a lot of stories to tell. You will say,

37:56

I I broke up with

37:58

this. I lost this.

37:59

My this conflict you can have a lot of

38:02

story of the

38:03

past. And then maybe

38:05

you can have also a lot of

38:07

stories of the future user. I'm I'm

38:09

hoping this. I'm hoping that. I'm

38:11

hoping this will happen. And but

38:13

if you look if you say,

38:15

what's your problem right

38:17

now here? I'm not interested in your past story.

38:19

I'm not interested in what are you hoping in the

38:22

future. What's your problem

38:25

right now? Right. And you

38:27

look at

38:28

right now. Yeah. If you look at look at right and

38:30

left and up and down and

38:32

here and

38:32

here, I don't any

38:35

problem have any problem. That's it.

38:37

Yeah. So if you're trying to be in the moment, you don't

38:39

have so much a

38:41

problem. And you if you're

38:43

aware of that, you

38:45

can have less I

38:48

say, you will be less affected by

38:50

your past and the future if

38:52

you are more in the

38:54

present moment. because it

38:56

doesn't allow the stories so much in

38:58

the present moment. Okay. Well, let's

39:00

imagine you and I

39:02

have been

39:03

Sentence to

39:05

death, we

39:05

are both hanging

39:07

out just before going out to

39:10

the gallows. and you say to

39:12

me, what's our problem right now? I'm gonna say,

39:14

they're about

39:14

to hang us.

39:16

We're doomed.

39:19

This is creating

39:20

all kinds of anxiety

39:22

in me even if I'm in the present moment.

39:24

Maybe we can even see the gallows

39:26

right over there. Right over there.

39:29

So how does this work in situations

39:31

like that? Eminent. Boom.

39:34

Yeah. Yeah. So

39:35

in that, those situation,

39:37

you first of all, of course, I'm not

39:39

saying it's easy, but I'm

39:41

saying we are playing the

39:44

same game. You

39:44

have a notion of death. And death

39:47

and you have idea of death

39:49

is bad. Yes. Yes.

39:52

you have idea of death is failure, and you have idea of,

39:54

particularly, where you are you're the

39:56

way you're gonna die. You have all

39:59

these stories. Without

40:00

those stories, you will

40:02

not

40:03

have a problem.

40:07

Well, the story

40:08

is is death. Dying

40:10

like a

40:11

death, you know, when you

40:13

take a nap. would you

40:16

say, you know, it's a problem?

40:18

No. Well, you say

40:20

that is good. When you

40:22

say I will wake up in in half

40:24

an hour, when you

40:25

say death, death is a problem, but

40:27

you're gonna wake up in a forty forty

40:29

nine days as a different another

40:32

another life. I I the story that we have.

40:34

But, I mean, not to keep going back to

40:36

the story I just

40:38

saw of, when

40:40

I take a nap, I don't hang myself prior

40:42

to falling asleep. I mean, though

40:44

I do get the comparison and

40:47

I and I I do get the comparison.

40:49

I just and I look I

40:51

think the main idea here is is the

40:54

story that it's not about the

40:56

depth and depth. is

40:58

the story

40:58

that you have around the death and

41:00

death. What creates the problem?

41:02

The death is not creating a problem. Death

41:04

is not a personal problem. It

41:06

happens to everybody, happen to Christ, happen to Buddha, and

41:09

it will happen to

41:10

every single powerful people.

41:13

it

41:14

can it will happen to everybody on this

41:16

earth. Right? Now in Henry and in Henry years, maybe none

41:18

of these people will be here,

41:22

all these people

41:23

right now. I mean, it seems like

41:25

in a few months that's possible the

41:27

way things are going in the world.

41:29

It it Yeah. Yes. So

41:31

it's a natural This is something that

41:33

but I do thank

41:34

you for this because I don't think

41:36

I

41:36

ever quite connected the fact that I'm telling that

41:39

I'm is I I

41:42

always think I understand

41:43

the add ons in Buddhism. I understand

41:44

Yeah. I think your example is

41:47

I think it's a little bit

41:49

extreme for people.

41:51

But every given moment, every single

41:54

day, you have a

41:56

stories, there's a event,

41:58

and there's

42:00

a stories. And the

42:00

story is you can that people who are in

42:02

a very depressed, they will have a different stories

42:05

of the same event. People

42:07

who

42:07

are positive, they will have a different version

42:09

of that story. People who are

42:11

successful, they look for

42:14

solution, they don't talk

42:16

about problem. People

42:16

have failed a lot. They're they're not interested in the

42:18

solution. They're attracted to talking about

42:21

brak. Right.

42:23

Right. Right. Right.

42:40

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43:12

benefited from

43:14

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43:16

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43:21

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43:23

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recommend for me? And he said,

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45:26

I want to

45:27

talk about the the I I don't

45:29

know. The the mother

45:31

of the story. The mother

45:33

of the story. the mother of the story

45:38

like,

45:39

for me, some

45:40

kind of pain, some kind

45:41

of suffering,

45:44

then then

45:44

that is when I invent, oh, I wanna know why

45:46

I don't feel so good. Here's why I don't

45:48

feel so good. I don't feel so good because I didn't get

45:50

enough sleep, but I'm worried about this or that.

45:54

But can

45:55

underneath the story,

45:58

that

45:59

that's right suffering What

46:01

is it? Or are you saying that

46:03

when we annihilate the story story

46:05

goes away,

46:06

suffering naturally goes away.

46:08

Instantly, that

46:09

would go away too. Yeah.

46:10

So as I

46:11

said earlier, underlying the

46:14

story is the

46:16

pain identity. The

46:17

father will have

46:19

a

46:19

spleen of father's story, not

46:22

the mother's right. The

46:24

mother will have a mother's story,

46:26

not father's story. The

46:27

business person will have the

46:30

story, pain story of

46:32

business related, not as

46:34

a parent. So if

46:35

you look at every pain

46:38

story, it's associated to

46:41

single identity. And

46:42

this identity,

46:43

sometime, is very flexible. That

46:46

means, you know, usually, we say,

46:47

I'm no one and I can

46:50

be anyone. I'm someone

46:52

is hard to be someone

46:54

else. When you when you

46:56

in a whole idea in a good system, they say

46:58

you are no one. what

47:01

you're identifying is just identity, you are find identifying with it,

47:03

but you are not that. You're

47:05

not you're not a

47:07

lawyer. You are So you're

47:09

not a doctor. You

47:12

have a role of lawyers. A professional

47:14

role you're playing as a

47:16

role lawyer. but you are not

47:18

lawyer. So when you are you you're

47:20

able to separate what

47:22

you do, Basically,

47:23

another word, you are not what she

47:26

do.

47:27

Okay.

47:29

Now,

47:29

you are and you have to

47:32

be brief. you you have to be free from what do

47:34

and do it better and

47:35

you will do

47:38

it better. You are

47:39

a father. Yeah. Yeah. How how

47:42

many children do you have, if you don't mind me?

47:44

Yes. Just watch

47:46

how old. sixteen

47:47

sixteen.

47:49

so

47:49

So what's

47:51

it like?

47:53

Being

47:54

a renowned

47:56

rimpiche and

47:56

a dad to a teenager?

47:58

Well,

47:58

that's

48:00

I think the beauty

48:02

is

48:02

that, you know, I think

48:06

I

48:06

feel that all the

48:08

teaching, the practices,

48:09

they help me

48:12

reflect differently.

48:14

the only I

48:16

don't have to look at one way. I have I feel have

48:18

option to look different ways

48:20

because I've

48:21

I can

48:22

see I'm

48:24

I can see I feel something. I can see where

48:27

their feeling is coming from. I can trace

48:29

back to that one single

48:32

identity. then I realize I do not have to be that. I am

48:34

not that. I can be more

48:36

than that, beyond that,

48:38

and three from that. then

48:41

I have I'm able to

48:43

deal with the situation much

48:45

better. Deal with the situation better does

48:47

not mean necessarily being

48:50

passive. Sometimes you have to be

48:52

solved. Sometimes you have to be

48:54

solved. But what you

48:54

need to do be, when, and

48:57

what kind of kick These

48:58

decisions, it happens in the second.

49:02

Yeah.

49:02

How do you do you

49:03

ever find

49:06

yourself forgetting this? Like, do you

49:08

ever find yourself wrapped up in Of course. Of

49:10

course. And

49:10

do you have

49:11

tricks for

49:14

Well,

49:15

I mean, I didn't have a trick.

49:17

I have I have awareness, you know. I don't

49:19

have a trick. So I have

49:21

to I First,

49:22

whatever is happening to you, observation is the

49:24

most

49:25

important human beings has. I think one of

49:27

the greatest gift that we have,

49:29

ability to look ourselves then

49:32

look, analyze ourselves. I'm feeling this. Do I

49:35

have to feel this? Or why

49:37

I'm feeling why feeling this this?

49:40

I'm

49:40

feeling this because I expect

49:42

some respect. My

49:44

I

49:44

have a main identity

49:47

who

49:47

lack, who feel lack of

49:50

respect, and that place of lack of

49:52

respect, I am reacting to

49:54

this

49:56

situation. Then

49:56

when I realize that, that's all what I need, you know,

49:59

in order to be to

50:01

to to call up with the

50:03

story. Got it. I

50:05

can see a way it's connected. It's not

50:07

it's not you or someone. It's me. But

50:09

I know it's it's coming out

50:11

of me and wanna aspect

50:14

of me, I feel more free. This

50:16

autumn sky, I love that, but

50:19

I love autumn. It's my

50:21

favorite time of year. blue

50:24

sky. And

50:26

yet, here

50:27

we are, clouds. Right? This

50:29

pain body thing. It's

50:31

a cloud. It's good. Now

50:32

the cloud

50:34

even though

50:35

if you even catch a slider Cloud

50:38

is okay.

50:38

Not the throwback in

50:40

in in Florida. I had her. Okay. That's me. That's

50:43

me. Yeah. When I meditate, I'm that's

50:45

I'm flying one of those planes into

50:47

the hurricane. That's what

50:50

it's like. But this this pain body, this

50:52

I know that, like,

50:55

from

50:56

the perspective of the sky,

51:00

doesn't the pain body kind of not deserve respect,

51:02

but deserve love or

51:05

or or or or I

51:07

mean, gosh, what a mess to find find yourself. Even

51:09

if you are a temporary transient,

51:12

wispy storm clump

51:15

of nodded stories, you still

51:19

are something. Right? Like, you

51:21

still this thing I'm just

51:23

saying within the this possibility

51:26

of, I'm not the

51:28

I'm not the neurotic cloud.

51:30

There's still the clouds somehow.

51:32

It's still there. So

51:34

yeah. So,

51:36

you know, in my book, to

51:38

many of us of Dream and Sleep, which

51:42

is now new new device versions coming on

51:44

with Shambala. And so

51:48

and that in that

51:50

bowl, you know, we talk about

51:52

different dream. Saw a

51:54

different kind of dream. Different kind

51:57

of sleep. And in order to make

51:59

some changes

51:59

to this pain identity,

52:02

if you're not able to do it during the

52:04

waking state, you might able to

52:06

do it in the night. So

52:07

how to do those change? You go to go to

52:10

sleep

52:10

with one personality. You wake up with

52:12

another personality. We hope -- Wow.

52:16

it

52:16

could be that dramatic. It could be that radical. That that

52:18

Yeah. I I found it interesting

52:22

in one of the

52:24

lectures I I of yours that I

52:26

watched. You were talking about how

52:28

this is you know, everyone you didn't

52:30

say these words, so forgive this is coming

52:32

from me, neurotic cloud. The

52:34

that's my spiritual name. Neurotic

52:38

cloud. The We

52:40

we

52:40

know meditation. We know

52:42

yoga

52:42

in the day. But this is

52:44

considered just as much a valid path

52:46

as meditation. Just as much

52:49

a a valid way to wake

52:52

up is all the others.

52:54

So it it what the

52:56

what especially in a dream

52:58

industry, what what important

53:00

is that, you

53:01

know, just just before you go to

53:04

sleep, one of the very

53:05

important emphasis they say

53:07

is so important

53:09

one of the

53:09

two moment is a very important moment in

53:12

life. One

53:12

before you die. One before

53:14

you go to sleep.

53:16

What what thoughts and emotion you have before you go to sleep?

53:19

Very important. It will

53:21

impact rest of your night.

53:24

When you die before your last

53:26

breath, whatever thoughts and

53:28

emotion, even what what object

53:30

that you are looking at,

53:32

will

53:32

impact all the process of journey of the death. So it's

53:35

very important. So the dream of

53:37

us, leaving of teachers you

53:39

know, trying to do something called nine breathing

53:42

or purification. Do some kind of

53:44

breathing. Be aware of your

53:46

thought emotions. Breathe

53:48

them out. find a very

53:50

restful place and let

53:52

go and then find a deep

53:54

resting place to sleep. So you

53:56

kind of preparing yourself,

53:58

if you manage to succeed

53:59

that, let's say

54:00

in five minute, you're

54:02

doing a little

54:04

practice, your little tricks. And then when you go to sleep,

54:06

you manage to

54:08

you you go to sleep for

54:10

six hours, four hours.

54:13

for during this four hours, you

54:15

are able to maintain

54:18

that autumn sky

54:21

that that light because

54:22

you just enter in there. During

54:25

the waking

54:25

stage, it interrupts

54:27

very often.

54:27

You know, I have a the first second, I have a

54:30

good thought,

54:32

one minute later, I have a better inter there's more

54:34

frequent interar rides. In the

54:36

sleep no. For

54:37

example, when you say I want you

54:39

to wake up, five in the morning

54:41

because I have to take a that memory there. And

54:44

next morning, you wake up around five

54:46

o'clock. Very

54:48

often. Yes. So

54:49

that memory stays rest of

54:51

the night. Right. Whoa. Gotcha.

54:53

That's amazing. If you're a relative for

54:55

a five minute,

54:57

And then

54:57

you're you wake up after four

55:00

hours, you meditated for you're

55:02

meditated for

55:04

four hours.

55:05

you enter depress in a

55:08

five minute and slept

55:09

five five hours in

55:11

that state

55:14

of depression, You are depressed for five hours. That's that's why,

55:16

you know, why

55:16

you we we can solve that mood. Wow.

55:18

I gotta stop looking at my phone when I

55:20

go to sleep. What am I doing? look

55:23

at the most terrible things. I

55:25

watch Ukrainian war footage and then I

55:27

fall asleep. I

55:31

gotta stop. Yeah. I

55:32

do too sometimes. You do? Yeah.

55:34

I watch

55:35

I mean, I I watched the, you know,

55:37

the world story a little bit more

55:39

than I should. It's very absorbing. It's a big

55:41

story. It's a planetary story.

55:44

It's very absorbing. Could you

55:46

and and forgive me because I know

55:47

that this is

55:50

this is the kind of thing you

55:52

teach over, you know, months to truly learn it. And

55:54

but is there a way for listeners?

55:57

Could you maybe

55:59

teach us just

56:00

a little bit about a simple

56:03

practice to do before

56:05

we fall asleep? Sure.

56:07

So I think

56:09

for

56:10

oh beginners,

56:12

beginners I

56:14

think it's important throughout the

56:18

day trying to

56:20

be

56:20

as much as aware as

56:22

possible.

56:23

trying to be aware

56:24

of, you know,

56:26

what are you feeling?

56:27

How are you responding to

56:29

the world? Like, I'm happy what

56:31

somebody said. I'm

56:32

unhappy what somebody said.

56:36

Being aware of your

56:37

thoughts and emotions,

56:40

And

56:40

when you're aware of your thoughts and emotions, seeing

56:43

who is upset?

56:45

that said

56:49

identity. When you're able to see

56:52

oh, I'm upset for no reason,

56:54

or maybe I'm upset. But was it this morning? I was in I

56:56

have I was in a good not good mood.

56:58

Then I am throwing

57:00

this to my wife, my friend,

57:03

someone,

57:04

you know, you just

57:05

you recognize something. You know? So

57:07

throughout the day, trying to have

57:09

some control over your own

57:11

thoughts and emotion, not driven

57:14

by

57:16

it. So during the

57:16

daytime, I think that's important to do

57:19

that. So just calm down calm

57:21

down, calm down, self reflect, calm down, self reflect, calm down.

57:23

And then before going to before

57:24

going to sleep, think

57:28

about You

57:29

know, sleep is

57:31

getting excited. Think about

57:33

sleep is a journey

57:35

to inner temple.

57:38

Sacred temple. secret

57:39

journey. Look

57:41

forward. And then

57:43

and then the last moment

57:45

before you go to sleep, look

57:46

at what happened during the daytime, process them a little bit.

57:48

Look at what's happening in that particular

57:50

moment before you go to sleep. You are almost

57:53

ready to close your eye. already

57:55

close your eye. Look at it. You have a

57:58

thought. A one single

57:59

thought of

57:59

discomfort thought is sitting there

58:02

with you.

58:04

and you you are aware of them. Just

58:06

bring the light

58:06

of awareness to them one

58:10

single negative

58:12

thought, unprocessed thought, and

58:15

and bring that bring

58:17

awareness in your breath Now

58:18

through your breath, breathe breathe out. You breathe

58:21

out that

58:22

single talk. Breathe out

58:25

that single feeling.

58:27

breathe out whatever tensions in

58:30

your body. Where are these

58:32

tensions that are

58:32

held? You breathe

58:34

out there. Like,

58:37

They

58:37

said deep exhalation,

58:40

like, five to six seconds. Pound

58:42

five to six second. D

58:44

and slow

58:46

breathing out. and breathe in, like, of about four seconds

58:48

in, deep breathing in, you

58:50

repeat this maybe five,

58:52

ten times. then

58:54

you're clear. You

58:56

go you have the past to go to

58:57

sleep. And once you go into

58:59

sleep, you will

59:00

have a you will have amazing experience as

59:04

you you sleep better, sleep clearer, you

59:06

might have a positive energies you

59:08

start charging. You might even experience a

59:12

clear light But

59:14

you have to do this little process before

59:16

you go to sleep. I

59:19

love that.

59:19

Thank you. That's very simple.

59:22

I remember

59:24

in the There's also poses aren't there. There's ways of sleeping

59:26

holding your body. I mean, this gets quite

59:28

dangerous. It's a,

59:30

you know, it's a it's a there's a lot in

59:33

the book. I think if of course, I would you

59:35

know, those who are interested in a dream and

59:38

sleep, I would recommend to get the book,

59:40

especially in the

59:42

new version. and now revise revise versions so

59:44

that and it

59:46

this is the book not to

59:50

steady

59:50

for a week or month. This is about to keep

59:52

it near your pillow and rest of your

59:54

life. Okay. Well, this is where I

59:56

I'm gonna

59:57

get the new edition and I will I will

59:59

start doing

59:59

that with friends listening. I must tell

1:00:02

you this I I have I don't think

1:00:04

I've ever encountered a more

1:00:06

psychedelic book I don't think I've ever encountered thing that me

1:00:08

I How

1:00:09

instantaneous? It was almost two I think

1:00:12

I almost stopped wanting to

1:00:13

read it, not because it

1:00:15

wasn't interesting because it was too much. And

1:00:18

I remember -- Yeah. Yeah. -- in the

1:00:20

book, something of a warning. Like,

1:00:22

you had to help people. Look, just

1:00:24

because you're starting to

1:00:26

explore the the the this

1:00:28

light waking life is dream, that

1:00:30

doesn't mean feed the

1:00:32

book, don't think that you will

1:00:34

understand everything right away.

1:00:36

Don't think that

1:00:36

you have to do everything what

1:00:39

it says you should do.

1:00:41

think

1:00:41

about step

1:00:42

by step. Take

1:00:44

what

1:00:44

you're

1:00:46

getting

1:00:47

and take what

1:00:49

you can do. do what you can

1:00:51

do. Don't worry about you what you

1:00:53

cannot do. Right? That's true

1:00:56

in

1:00:57

life. Right? Yes. a

1:00:59

lot of time we worry about what we are not able to do. We don't enjoy

1:01:01

what we have done. Yeah.

1:01:04

Yes.

1:01:06

For sure. This

1:01:09

is true. Yes. I

1:01:11

mean, this is

1:01:16

I'm sorry

1:01:16

to ask the question.

1:01:19

But is this

1:01:20

a kind of yoga

1:01:22

that maybe you did you hesitate to put this out into the

1:01:25

world? Did you have a sense that maybe

1:01:27

the world No. I didn't.

1:01:30

Usually,

1:01:30

usually, they are more reserved.

1:01:32

So but nowadays,

1:01:34

you know, I think how much

1:01:36

you're gonna keep them reserved. So I think

1:01:39

I believe, you know, we

1:01:41

we we call it in our tradition, one of

1:01:43

the tradition we say,

1:01:46

self secret. self seeking means I can keep seeking from

1:01:48

you who are not talking to you,

1:01:50

but I can also

1:01:52

talk to you and I

1:01:54

will ask my

1:01:56

angels and guardians to keep

1:01:58

you secret, those who we

1:01:59

need to be keep secret from.

1:02:02

Wow. So I will

1:02:04

not keep it any restricted, but

1:02:06

it would keep restricted by itself.

1:02:09

So so when when when the probably when

1:02:11

moment even you want to say I

1:02:13

don't want to read it anymore. The book saying, he

1:02:15

pits he can from now. No. I really want

1:02:17

to read it. Can you

1:02:19

go for you? saying, okay.

1:02:22

Did you try it again? Okay. Maybe I'm

1:02:24

ready now. Maybe I've I've been given

1:02:26

a pass to revisit. Yeah. It wasn't

1:02:28

it was just it was beautiful. It's

1:02:30

just, you know, I had I've I

1:02:32

don't know if you're familiar with Robert Monroe. This

1:02:35

is the astro projection stuff. is,

1:02:37

you know, the and all the other methods

1:02:40

for inducing actual

1:02:41

projection, which we mentioned, this

1:02:43

is probably different from that.

1:02:45

They usually involve reminding

1:02:48

yourself your wake.

1:02:50

So

1:02:50

your method is the exact opposite

1:02:52

of this in the sense that you're

1:02:54

looking around and kind of reminding yourself

1:02:57

This is much

1:02:58

like a dream too.

1:03:00

That's the

1:03:01

part where your angels were like,

1:03:03

okay, don't read anymore. A

1:03:05

week. When we say a week, you are

1:03:07

awake from

1:03:08

what? You know, we

1:03:10

awake

1:03:11

from our sleep, We're

1:03:13

awake from our ignorance. We're

1:03:16

awake

1:03:16

from our pain. You

1:03:18

can be

1:03:18

awake from anything. You you can be awake

1:03:21

from your sense of loss.

1:03:23

When you

1:03:23

found yourself, you are

1:03:26

awake. When you are awake means

1:03:28

can

1:03:28

mean many things. Yes.

1:03:31

And

1:03:32

Here's my

1:03:34

final question.

1:03:36

Thank you for

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your time. And thank you for your concise

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answers. And thank you

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for this book. So why

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are we dreaming? Why

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is it collectively

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Why is

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this happening to us? Like, why has

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it happened that you and me and everyone

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on the planet right now have

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woken from the bardo in a

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in a human body or an

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animal body. Why?

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What's

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going on here? Why is the

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universe expressing it like this itself

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like this at all. Why does the

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emptiness turn into clouds?

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Yeah. I think there's

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probably two reasons.

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One one basic

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reason

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one basic reason

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is that we

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you know,

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I think we're just generally able

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to imagine, able

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to dream, able to have

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a vision

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is very important in our

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life. Right? III

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was very I was stunned by when

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the September eleven, the

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the investigation, about

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thousands of pages

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In the end, there was one

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conclusion word.

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It says

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Americans were not

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able to imagine that that could happen. Right?

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So, you know, imagination. You

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need imagination. Somebody might do it in this way,

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so we have to be ready for protect

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from this way. Imagination.

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Right? So imagination, I think dreaming, imagination,

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vision, so very important. But

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it's bigger than that. I

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think it's a dream sometimes happening.

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What we are all able to

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process in the day is

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happening coming

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up in the night.

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nightmares. Why nightmares

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come out?