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before we jump into the piggyback

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here's a truism from

1:28

the were to covering the first hour

1:31

of episode nine

1:33

and p back that

1:35

i caught the piggy fruit

1:37

and i

1:40

think we should jump in

1:42

to our story lines of

1:45

it and five and five

1:47

words now means with

1:50

jennifer rules that we have

1:52

two moons in a good show so

1:55

i've gotten eight saturday

1:58

and i'm rolling

2:01

three is dustin and eighty

2:04

one

2:05

that's it in any bat proof the upside down

2:08

mobile home than eighty plugs in

2:10

his axe for the most metal

2:12

concert in the history of the world's and

2:15

etti decades his guitar solo too

2:17

pricy the target it

2:19

seems is like catnip the

2:21

baby nas goals the

2:23

boys lock themselves inside a

2:26

i thought maybe i could just let you

2:29

talk a little bit about master of puppets

2:31

this this feels like your territory

2:34

well this was great a yeah

2:36

i is ball i've gotta lotta history

2:39

with this

2:40

but first you know heavy metal

2:43

cassette that i ever had nebraska

2:46

my mom to buy it because

2:50

seventh or eighth grade and

2:52

she was she was ryan i'm in new

2:55

just because

2:57

what is metallica

2:59

medals right in the names edit

3:04

and i always lose a little bit confused

3:06

about what what is a metal what is

3:08

heavy metal woods death metal it's

3:10

none of it really i was never

3:12

a metal guy says

3:15

, knew that at some point he just became

3:17

possessed by satan i didn't know where to start

3:20

a pet you know yes absolutely

3:22

yes oh that's so much that you mention

3:24

that the song was catnip

3:26

for for these these bats it's

3:28

just that it's what summons they are

3:31

like if you are summons on the from the upside down it's gotta

3:33

be heavy metal right arm

3:35

the inevitable ah yeah

3:39

so is it the tape my mom my mom handing

3:41

it to me a little bit

3:43

i'm sure that she gave me sort of a a

3:46

a , through like

3:48

widows camera like that

3:51

looked that she gave you from her

3:53

perspective it was like hey

3:55

use with caution that are

3:57

nicer this is a gave us but for you that's

4:00

exactly the kind of look that i want

4:03

the reluctant get from your parent is probably

4:05

the greatest gifts of the and so that the best

4:07

get that back yeah i mean this is this

4:09

is the red ryder bb gun mama

4:11

a fan you're

4:14

going to shoot your salvation out i

4:19

read so yeah good i guess is i mean

4:21

i wore this tape how i mean really

4:23

it's immediate i

4:25

, there are there are definitely metallic a albums

4:28

that i i did not purchase

4:31

most of those or later the st anger

4:34

anger , you know phase

4:38

though i was a , know but i

4:40

certainly was were in our like all

4:43

the you know like ride the lightning than the

4:45

am am

4:47

justice for all that all that good stuff

4:50

but master of puppets i think still you know not

4:52

just because of you

4:54

know that was my first metallic out on

4:57

nov cassette tape with it

4:59

really really if so chock full

5:01

of of just bangers i mean they're so

5:03

they're a masseur purposes

5:05

such a but just a

5:07

great the great representation

5:10

of metal especially during that timeframe

5:13

you know yeah your time with a different types of metal right like

5:15

i'm and i'm right like people are coming of this kind of isn't

5:17

easy to the know metal and not i and probably

5:19

have a poser i'll i'll accept that ah

5:22

but the yeah like as there was like a magical

5:25

heavy metal on and as like speed metal and thrash

5:27

metal you know death metal and now

5:30

and at the time this would this would have been and on

5:32

of it would have been truly considered you know speed

5:35

metal on but it was a it

5:37

was pretty close who there was an adult the mean the

5:39

john or hadn't fully you know developed

5:41

and branched out i think it at the point of

5:43

this opposite is that was pretty representative

5:46

of like pretty heavy stuff and ah

5:49

but musical it's really great and it's just the it's

5:51

it's a lot of fun and so

5:54

i was

5:56

the little i'm unsure

5:58

what to think of

5:59

the

6:01

the guitar moments in

6:03

a stranger things because i know it was teased

6:06

in previews well that's what

6:08

i what i i mentioned this before

6:10

i think i was billie or i thought it

6:13

was belly and i was really

6:15

i was really nervous about this because it really

6:17

looks

6:19

pretty lame

6:20

yeah i knew it wasn't billie i knew

6:22

it wasn't billie even i couldn't quite

6:24

tell his etti just because i knew of the i

6:27

was worried as like their remembering billie

6:29

back and some for some reason he's

6:31

playing electric guitar in the upside down

6:33

like

6:34

this with could go really

6:37

wrong well that would have right

6:39

him out of in a weird thing to do for billy's character

6:41

right and then you know

6:44

i'll be honest like the whether

6:46

they did bring billie back was

6:48

fantastic the

6:51

way that this whole thing

6:53

went down was one of my my

6:55

favorite moments of the season the

6:58

and have happened with eddie who

7:00

i was really uncertain

7:02

about i want i mean her and price

7:05

short selling i didn't

7:07

like etti yeah and so

7:09

for them to pull that off in

7:12

this episode it completely change

7:14

my mind i was like or anything

7:16

any any worry that i had

7:19

that they couldn't pull this off i was i

7:21

was foolish i was a fool see

7:24

us as they they added a this

7:26

was the most metal concert

7:28

in history of the world

7:30

that is so great i mean it was such as

7:32

it's it's such an iconic song as much

7:34

in that timeframe

7:37

it would be very true to

7:39

that character to

7:41

you know if you're gonna learn a saw a master of

7:43

puppets would be at yeah you

7:45

, he's etti this obviously the wrath of

7:48

as that iron maiden overlap

7:50

and with their mascot the we talked about so

7:53

he could appoint an iron maiden here but i liked

7:55

that it went this way as just because it's also just of

7:57

really it's it's it's

7:59

now

7:59

specially at the time not so much but now

8:02

is that because metallic a sort of can come into

8:04

the ah a

8:07

part of our culture where they're rock rad

8:09

eminent know metal but they're but they're as

8:11

much a rock rock and roll hall of fame

8:14

that and right so so there is a familiarity

8:16

with it and it does harken back to

8:18

where it's like he had these guys are around right now with this

8:20

is this is where illnesses early

8:23

work of their that would have been during this time

8:25

for him to that kind of a nice touch too because

8:28

it's not like we're getting a lot of these like asians

8:30

hit wonders that we've heard kind of throughout

8:34

we're not mean madison that kate bush is a

8:36

one hit wonder but i'm in certain more obscure

8:38

right and that sort of to that time yeah

8:40

so this was so this was a lot of fun for that

8:43

purpose i like that like heather was like

8:45

a winner fatties is going to be bad a guitar i sat

8:47

with kind of that , kind of a moment

8:49

he was like a kind of thinking would be interesting if

8:51

he just goes up there is is not very good

8:53

or he's playing a song as like not

8:55

really what you would expect him to do but then when a windfall

8:58

metallic her and then it becomes this like

9:00

almost music video quality is yards

9:03

or a montage yeah yeah was

9:06

it was for me

9:08

it put me it a very

9:10

complicated place because i'm rocket

9:13

and love and then on love and of them to

9:15

meet at dustin just like his

9:17

his head banging approval at it

9:19

periodically was just pitch

9:21

perfect but than

9:23

that but then you've got like the real

9:26

menacing situation with max and and beckner

9:28

new like this

9:29

this is a great you know and it's it's

9:32

, all this other stuff going on you

9:34

know you've you've got the the jocks

9:36

her arm or may have made their presence known

9:39

and so like there's a lot of danger

9:41

and i'm trying iraq our but the net but then

9:43

you remember the song as se van

9:45

would have been the kind of song that would have have

9:48

implied danger and

9:50

and yeah it's a risky tune so

9:52

as i get really proud when full circle for

9:54

me i just fantastic

9:57

yell either was draped it's interesting

9:59

what they

9:59

the side to bring into the show

10:02

because i think

10:04

fits they really traffic

10:06

a lot in pop culture stuff

10:09

in i would never

10:11

have considered metallic a

10:13

pop culture in the eighties they become

10:15

pop culture right ,

10:18

and so the kinds of music that

10:20

they'll bring out the and they will bring an

10:22

sort of an obscure i'm

10:25

banned from time them but they have not brought in

10:27

metal until now it's

10:30

like they knew that they had that real great

10:32

gem of great pop culture reference

10:36

they hadn't be hit with like the headed

10:38

up their sleeve and they were gonna use

10:40

it

10:41

but four seasons and we have not seen

10:44

them use that yet the and

10:46

all the sudden they pull it out for this

10:48

finale episode and i more

10:50

thrilled with

10:53

the pop culture reference then i

10:55

am with the plot development

10:57

as that it is showcasing

11:01

and so the it's like

11:03

they've gone to the next level

11:05

with the cultural references

11:08

the cultural references are

11:11

as important for this show as

11:13

the plot the story the

11:16

you know the tone all of that business

11:19

right and it's interesting

11:22

to like it

11:24

, but it still doesn't feel like fan service

11:26

because it's not something we necessarily even ask

11:28

for mean so it's like you get it and

11:31

it and it certainly whet

11:34

the appetite means when know that you you would need

11:36

aim and , alcohol agatha

11:38

on top of my was able to in a guy was the

11:40

thing i was so moved by like you said the the

11:43

the music and and and the placement

11:45

that oh it was it did almost

11:48

take me out of the stuff money beta

11:50

they edited it so well that

11:53

ah

11:54

like if it was a complicated moment

11:56

for me because i'm like yeah oh

11:58

no no no oh what

12:00

yeah and then it but since i i ok this is

12:02

the show but then i'm like this again then

12:05

when i was able to touch back and go look

12:07

, metallic and now rock and roll hall of fame

12:09

without the look at refer metallic a van

12:11

this would be a dynamite

12:14

com for a terrifying

12:16

sequence like they're showing yeah where'd

12:18

you don't know if it were were now my expectation

12:21

because i'm of looking at it through the

12:23

lens of eighty six now my

12:25

expectation has shifted because at first it was like oh

12:27

this is rock in this is how we see our heroes

12:29

ascend to greatness because of this

12:31

anthemic song not navy sex

12:34

and eighty six the song would be more foreboding

12:36

yeah man and especially because the

12:38

master of puppets and second

12:40

sort of the master of this whole thing especially

12:43

when you get this imagery of people been

12:46

limited as if the been pulled up by puppet

12:48

strings well and then and then

12:50

on see now and seems am in

12:52

as as the victor in at least

12:54

in this sequence that's right and

12:56

a can of worth the magically with it because

12:59

you know the bats are many seen

13:02

these boys and

13:04

we find out later that their puppet strings

13:06

can get cut the idea of everything being connect

13:08

yes is that's right real key yeah

13:11

i really liked to the i'm me on

13:13

steam little because

13:15

middle speak to them like a don't be heroes right

13:17

and isn't an delay our

13:20

decoys and is something and then there is

13:22

that is very much like as

13:27

it may be the you

13:29

know somewhat scary

13:31

or intimidating as like the metal crew

13:34

could be a lot of times that my experience

13:36

with people that were really in the metal in

13:38

like middle school and high school ah

13:40

we're sort of marginalize a night you'd like

13:42

but they couldn't be the hero right and the mean

13:45

you know at their at their absolute best they are

13:47

still not going to be the hero because isis not

13:49

bad not like a miracle that much as choices

13:51

sites and play guy i can think

13:54

of a few people that i wouldn't

13:56

most associate with this

13:59

kind of music in junior

14:01

high and high school it's like this group

14:03

of people made a choice

14:06

to be

14:07

they called her or countercultural

14:10

or something anarchism i

14:12

i want to talk about another element

14:15

of this this storyline

14:17

and that is it's sort of like one of

14:19

these things that could go really wrong

14:23

and the fact is fact is is the

14:25

fact have been a distraction

14:27

have you actually ever been a distraction

14:30

and your life he

14:32

feel like a find that is rak yeah over

14:34

yes i agree and the guy that is like

14:37

i see this is all that i've been a distraction

14:39

known and i feel like i've seen this and three hundred

14:41

movies ah this this

14:43

something that happens real life so

14:46

i am just curious have you ever am

14:48

a you've you've got upset to no good in

14:50

your life i have these are fitness

14:53

i've certainly been ah look out

14:55

for guess look out yeah yeah this is

14:57

something that real this is real yeah you

15:00

could ray and be a real look out

15:02

in real life is there anyone is

15:04

actually a real distraction

15:06

are ya you know what i i

15:08

i'd have to really ponder i can't i

15:10

can't imagine i've gone through life and have not at

15:12

least assigned somebody to the role of

15:14

let you go talk to that i get the playground

15:17

or can we would like the teachers you go talk to see through

15:19

know your area we see this will be our duties

15:21

right there with the our duties man you get

15:23

in

15:24

and who knows for what else because we had to get

15:26

the kept markets win over the fence

15:29

right so you're gonna go talk to be not

15:31

we're not allowed to go you're not allowed the climbed the fence

15:34

but if you can keep the yard duty occupied

15:36

the other direction and you can

15:39

make can quick jump over the fence to get the kickball

15:41

it's funny because uk ethology like

15:43

one want to school the have other resources back

15:46

this , about who have an opportunity to break a

15:49

rule ah yeah i

15:52

really time but time can ever think of

15:54

this actually happening this actually life

15:57

is there are mutual friend jeff

15:59

would on purpose get it attention

16:02

at school and then hit

16:04

because his mother worked at the apple

16:06

ranch he would bring

16:08

the detention to her take

16:10

her in the back to show her the detention

16:13

because he knew she was

16:15

gonna use going to get a talking to and

16:18

then it was my job to like load

16:20

up my pockets with candy

16:22

yeah

16:24

feeling about i mean that's the that's the sort

16:26

of an example of a real life

16:29

real world distraction it wasn't

16:31

me i would i don't think i've ever been a distraction

16:34

and the plan i mean the planning

16:37

me v i'm willing to get his attention

16:39

because his need jolly rancher

16:42

analysis connection yeah

16:45

we were low fans are is like arrive every

16:47

movie is gonna have someone that we're

16:49

gonna have a plan that's going to have neither

16:51

as distraction but

16:53

, not something happens in real life and as

16:56

to as racking my brain to think this

16:58

is ever happened to me have i ever been

17:00

a distress and well

17:02

this well and i'm the states a pretty high

17:05

iso against isis is is a pretty important

17:07

distraction and i tennessee like if you're gonna

17:10

do a distraction you

17:12

have to make it as thrilling as

17:14

everything else is going on in the plot

17:17

there's otherwise is gonna feel really cliche

17:20

right and i thought yeah this is the

17:22

perfect distraction a view it's

17:25

thrilling and it's important

17:27

of course it's importance but you

17:29

wanted to be thrilling he wanted to be

17:31

just as into seen as what's going on

17:34

in the attic yen and her and that's exactly

17:36

right because would you have

17:38

done this without that perhaps any

17:40

you have a lot of characters to maintain but there's

17:42

also i mean it's you're gonna write this

17:44

up this is a great way to do because it does

17:48

what they've done really well as is split

17:50

people and sort

17:52

of mix and match and show and

17:54

this is just a real thousand of the how they've developed

17:56

these characters i'm into see dustin in etti together

17:59

is not a stir but this is no like this

18:01

is a oh gee character yeah

18:03

the a strictly season for character

18:06

and who week who i was pretty

18:08

sure of the very beginning of episode

18:11

one this disc as gonna die right

18:13

and i think it is interesting to with the

18:16

you know them obviously we'll talk about person

18:18

in part to have this problem

18:21

get to into it but yeah the idea

18:23

that how do you because

18:25

i don't feel like like it will would have

18:27

been shocking to had like

18:28

the have a care to unit is die

18:31

in this season let's be honest

18:33

etti a survival is complicated complicates

18:37

anything you doing next

18:39

that's true because of the

18:41

i was gonna say the phantom menace and that

18:44

that late and panic yeah to

18:46

say ten advantage you're gonna have

18:48

to resolve that in that way that feels

18:51

that realistic right and

18:55

so far and we got zero

18:57

powell and callahan in this episode

19:00

right so find interesting

19:02

yeah yeah yeah so

19:05

the fact that etti dies does

19:08

kind of resolve the issue

19:11

you're gonna have a clue put the focus back

19:13

on the upside and ryan

19:16

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22:53

memory scape hide in her memory

22:55

scape specifically in her snowball

22:57

memory than jason and his basque

23:00

about dunes arrive and chase

23:02

down erica

23:04

are there was some what about the chase down

23:06

of erica

23:08

the made me think

23:11

of karate kid there

23:14

was a very ip for me

23:17

of a lot of karate kid moments

23:20

throughout the season that yeah that that

23:23

pressure is is is a lot of i think

23:25

that isn't steaks have done more with

23:27

are so you've got the karate in russia

23:29

you know with murray you've got

23:32

the you know the the east coast

23:34

kid moved out west

23:37

right although , of a midwest

23:39

kid who's outlast and then

23:41

which as which has lost boy loves yeah

23:44

in addition to that share and

23:46

then there was something about erica

23:49

issues running away from the kid

23:51

bad guys at night yeah

23:54

and again they'd all the other guys look the same

23:56

yeah that's right that's

23:58

right if there was a part of that they kind

24:01

of made me the given the they didn't do

24:03

a sort of a smoking gun on mars

24:05

to karate kid that's

24:08

who that's kinda what got

24:10

to me with that scene

24:13

that will have been of such an important

24:16

heart of of this the

24:19

now he is that we've

24:21

talked about is that like the some

24:23

of the terror and some of the real men at them like

24:25

obviously seconds out here

24:29

the minimal learn that is gonna

24:31

just basically up and

24:32

that elevation which is a big deal

24:35

sure of my there's also these

24:37

very real the almost

24:39

righteously motivated the

24:41

, villains that are coming out which is which

24:43

is another thing that's kind of medicine parallel

24:46

right i'm in this they think they're doing what

24:48

they're doing what they think is best according to

24:50

their ideology oh yeah well you

24:52

know an end you not some of it's based on

24:54

on some revenge leon of it's also

24:56

just the as others all it's the

24:58

parallels the fascinating right and and the power

25:01

like the reckons power is certainly unique

25:04

but the power to to destroy

25:06

the power to kill his the

25:09

or that that's gonna shown him as is that it's

25:12

it's up for grabs the schools

25:14

that kind of power i felt like

25:16

when jason walks

25:18

up those stairs the

25:21

ivory i think of a just frame this perfectly

25:23

you know that you know here we have the the quote

25:25

unquote bad guy character but

25:28

you can totally understand from understand guy with

25:31

his worldview this

25:33

is absolutely what he was expecting

25:36

defined right

25:38

this is the and the is this what you did the chrissy

25:40

you now and everything that

25:43

he's saying like you know so you

25:45

did you summon this vagner

25:47

with your colds everything that he

25:49

thinks sounds just as plausible as

25:51

everything that lucas is trying to explain

25:54

ray rice economic exactly

25:56

lucas just sounds like what are you are

25:59

bit this bit

26:00

we have to it to each character

26:03

the other one sounds insane

26:05

and

26:07

right exactly yeah ,

26:11

it is while rain so started explains so started is

26:13

like which is an interesting to act

26:15

on thought you know lucas is part of i think there's

26:17

a partner is like whoa you

26:19

already believe that there's something supernatural

26:21

going on so

26:24

let me explain exactly what it is like you're right

26:27

you're wrong about how or her and

26:29

them but then it's like that's

26:31

not what i signed up for this is a car

26:33

and over i , up for good geysers

26:36

is bad guys for the devil vs

26:38

visual appearance visual appearance classic

26:40

gum these verses science

26:43

conversation at , and exactly

26:46

exactly will anything it's the that is easier

26:48

to deceive choose their with the

26:50

idea of ah

26:53

oh the leaf he thought i mean

26:56

by i believe that unites i believe

26:58

that that you and your colds and

27:00

the ability to raise

27:02

people out of the water and break their bones

27:04

and and then like yeah what you've seen

27:06

it this is actually what it is there's and there's

27:09

a demon monster from another dimension

27:11

that can be summoned this way baba blunder like

27:14

know our last

27:17

sentence as i bought what it was

27:20

i just it need you to i just

27:22

believe in in in the spoon the

27:24

other world and

27:26

that that and then the other part of that is that like

27:28

whoa we're here's how we would fight

27:30

it like no no no jesus fights like

27:33

, kind of is either gonna be jesus of

27:35

this gun and getting

27:37

this well well there may be another

27:40

common com a tepid you gonna take

27:42

with them as one

27:45

of the things that we noted at the very beginning

27:47

of the season was just the emotional

27:50

payload that was rest ya

27:52

max his shoulders and

27:55

i thought that this

27:58

pay that off really i

28:00

really thought that

28:02

he conveyed a sense

28:04

of feeling suicidal right

28:07

after the scene where see you believe

28:09

that see wants to get back together with lucas

28:12

to get these two really important mack scenes

28:14

juxtapose sees really

28:17

having this importance

28:19

tender connection with lucas

28:22

and then to hear her talk

28:24

about the loss of billion the

28:26

attic

28:28

i really get the sense that she

28:30

does do what part of her that feel suicidal

28:34

and she's probably using that to lure avec

28:36

now but

28:38

i don't feel like she's totally fake email what

28:42

do you think about that

28:43

i don't think you're thinking at all i

28:46

think that's where

28:49

we were we were land

28:51

right where

28:52

with we talked about the narrative armor easily

28:55

without maybe she's maybe

28:58

she's her her your peril is

29:00

gonna come and gone vs family we

29:02

figured you wouldn't you don't ever get

29:04

or twice you can't mean we we went through so much

29:07

on on oceans to watch her

29:09

you know conquer it they did the butchering

29:11

sunday and things like if they robbed a train

29:14

in both directions or in i can be expecting

29:16

in the second time back perfectly

29:18

, one's ever robbed or a train in both

29:20

directions and that that's

29:22

of the devil brothers do with max

29:25

yeah so the so so the but then

29:27

at this point you start to realize oh this

29:30

her stories not done right like

29:32

so this relationship with philly this

29:34

this torment or whatever and

29:37

i think there may be a part of when you look back

29:39

when she's put yourself as bait she's i hague you

29:41

know if you could put another you know for another kinda

29:43

situation they don't know what they're up against i

29:46

think that that's partly to her strategy

29:48

i think the other partner strategy is i've

29:52

got some other stuff i gotta deal with them to to

29:54

some degree that name now held

29:56

up as a mirror that she was

30:00

maybe when obviously not ready

30:02

to look out for that the same time for whatever

30:05

reason for like well maybe a duty to look at as maybe i

30:07

do have some culpability or maybe

30:10

maybe it's okay yeah if

30:12

i'm the bay and things go awry

30:15

if for the greater good i can you know

30:18

if i could take what i what i'm going to

30:20

emotionally and internally and then somehow

30:24

turn that into the greater good then

30:27

they will be a model third part of

30:29

or that's you know plane was cydia

30:31

suicidal ideation he knows he wrote

30:34

nodes to everyone

30:37

i think that there's a little part of other things if

30:39

someone has to be bay is probably should be

30:41

meat has i deserve it i probably

30:43

deserved to die

30:44

and i've already i've already kind of the one

30:47

point

30:48

in like preparing to dot

30:50

that's right like that you know so so

30:52

this is is you know and and

30:55

so it's like hey put it all out there right i mean odds

30:58

are if i go again and i think she's she's like

31:00

she's seen some stuff with this guy blue nine by

31:02

going into this that probably

31:04

a long shot that i'm gonna come out of it so i'm

31:07

a gamma going you know going clean

31:09

so to speak and the

31:11

i think that it was real i think that she really did

31:13

feel that way does that mean she may have put

31:15

herself like you may as a port on thick

31:18

but she may have leaned into some things

31:20

that maybe she was wrestling litter but

31:23

then just kind of when all and with it's like

31:26

hey what if what if like maybe there's apartment

31:28

is in one him around so therefore

31:31

i might as well have been okay with him time

31:33

i really liked the i

31:35

like it whenever they

31:37

wagner's voice in

31:40

another characters mouth lawyer

31:43

vegan take the shape of lit lucas in this case

31:45

i just think that that's so much more men

31:47

a seen them the actual vagner

31:49

monster it could

31:52

be because i i've never really sold

31:54

on the special effects of

31:56

this thing the or

31:58

maybe just gives

31:59

some of my favorite actors something

32:02

new to do

32:04

yeah but i love the billie

32:06

i love it when he take the shape of billie of

32:08

the way that in i i just love all that stuff

32:11

yeah i think you're going back to what you time of the back of

32:13

the things i don't think that i am an issue with

32:16

the effects of it is is that he so not

32:19

this world at this point

32:21

i get it like when he's ah

32:23

when he's won

32:25

so much more menacing because

32:28

he's like you can you are

32:30

you understand who he is on what he is and there's

32:32

there's something about coming face to face with with

32:35

a human ear i think you're right i think that

32:37

the actor that plays one

32:40

in human form is so much

32:42

more creepy right

32:44

and comedy act more you monster or you can do

32:47

it like into a lot more with his face and

32:49

his said there's something about about

32:51

becoming like oh there's a monster and

32:53

it's like when you see a human

32:56

quote monster is it also

32:58

sort of leave you enough zabel

33:01

i can how could i do this you know

33:03

the year another there's another on of

33:05

answers lang give you know you don't like if it

33:07

if you have a if you have a spider monster

33:09

you're like yeah makes sense run

33:12

away absolutely anything

33:15

about this is that when he's in the shape

33:17

of one or henry or whatever

33:21

i can see like this like this serial killer

33:23

narrative right and

33:26

when he's in the shape of the upside down

33:28

monster back now i feel like

33:31

that's what he discuss you do have been he's

33:33

he's if you've already under this guy's nice

33:36

looking , that this guy's not

33:39

gonna bring about armageddon that's just

33:41

what he's that's what he was born to do

33:44

right yeah put some pants

33:46

on we'll talk then

33:50

i was in for the the

33:52

at how they writing everything to each other oh

33:55

you know perfect perfectly

33:57

our brothers both the the you

33:59

know the that everybody wrote richer i was just

34:01

there was just great

34:04

and i watched , second time i

34:06

guess it it will pick up on as much on it you

34:08

know i think it may have been also like having

34:11

watched

34:12

papa and then watching this

34:14

like back to back that's a lot like see your

34:16

point right leg the me with that is essential like binge

34:18

watching like five or six episodes yes

34:21

but i am so by the time i get to this one i

34:23

was it was really easy for me to come to flake the

34:25

two episodes and

34:29

so , think way i got into this one and

34:31

i said like a nice obsess about eerie watch this

34:33

one on it's own to tried taken

34:35

some of those similar richard details

34:37

i think that really were and that and to me that was something

34:39

that really really me in here to

34:41

and whether loot lucas and max right

34:44

not suit other and yeah yeah

34:46

like that really was gray i thought my

34:48

lucas when we the his as he

34:50

hit his characters been so great this

34:52

season and i think he's always been is

34:54

always been buddies of bet el with half

34:57

a like he was the

35:00

line or well as always of the for he's the guy

35:02

from hangover that they're looking for but ah

35:05

yeah for him sir but

35:07

his ear lucas kind of moved some

35:10

of the some of the emotional

35:12

the complications along but i never

35:14

really felt like he had anything on the on to own himself

35:17

and isn't the season was really

35:20

it was it was such was treat to really have him

35:22

be such a centerpiece especially

35:25

his journey going from the the pop

35:27

one in the popularity verbalizing it like

35:29

this is such a reliable introduction

35:31

to him and i kind of thought that maybe he was

35:33

going to be kind of a similar character

35:36

that he had been throughout the seasons

35:38

where it's like okay so he's going to be the complication

35:41

you know of their and then eventually he'll come

35:43

around and middle be a mama were like

35:45

hey it's good to be a it's going to be an outcast

35:47

or entered again and like more yeah

35:49

but that was not how we got there and

35:51

we got there through his journey specifically

35:54

and i think that that was that was really

35:57

what is characters me as me as of the country

35:59

for your shirt character changes a lot

36:02

if you remove mike from the equation

36:04

i mean if you think back to the previous

36:06

seasons mike

36:09

and lucas have something

36:11

of a rocky relationship

36:14

the know mike is always sort of doing things

36:16

that are the debated

36:18

by

36:20

love were imposed

36:22

or something and lucas's

36:24

usually like the voice of reason

36:27

then all of a the butt heads

36:29

at times the interview remove

36:32

mike entirely from hawkins

36:35

they get allows lucas to bring outages are

36:37

you ever are you on my view on micromem

36:39

i want my gone it's

36:44

, as saginaw my son of a disasters

36:47

as a good you know actually he's

36:49

pretty great and season one and i probably

36:51

should revisit seasons two and three

36:54

the

36:55

i think sometimes he's just i

36:57

, think he appreciates the caring enough

37:01

enough and i think of is that what sounded

37:03

like he had her hair that way to address

37:07

of humor to address thing

37:12

are we ever seventy five jonathan tries

37:14

to a tries and fails to

37:16

book a flight to indiana

37:19

eleven gets the idea to help max remotely from

37:21

nevada all she needs is a tank

37:23

some water and salts are guy who saves

37:25

the day with his pizza pie prowess

37:28

they bribe their way into nevada pizza

37:30

place and turn the fridge and do a tub

37:33

max makes eleven makes pair of goggles and

37:35

argyle makes mike eat

37:37

hawaiian pizza donovan and

37:39

will share moment of brotherly connection

37:42

then eleven projects into

37:44

the astral plane to tack on max

37:48

he steps into max his memory scape

37:50

and searches for

37:52

this kind of starts with eleven

37:54

staring at a billboard remember

37:57

the scene

37:58

yeah

37:59

because i was a couple times

38:02

and i'm either another and by

38:04

the significance of the billboard yeah what the heck is

38:06

up with the but like what is it about the billboard

38:08

that gives you the idea for payback right

38:12

yeah but because it it jobs the memory of

38:15

of of her mother and and billie and all

38:17

that stuff right to figure out

38:20

the girl getting a pig immigrant idea i

38:22

wonder i oh maybe i'm looking

38:24

at the the wrong part of the i don't

38:27

think maybe we're looking at the

38:29

in l a x i i just now

38:31

i am ,

38:33

the connection and maybe she was given a piggyback ride

38:35

and that was just much more on the nose nose

38:37

you feel like we're trying to find out with the symbolism

38:40

going on like the religious significance

38:42

and the a specific we're we're trying to

38:44

do a very close reading of this of as

38:46

billboard vs is for sure him

38:48

differently for extra for ah

38:54

a he sees a girl came

38:56

to piggyback ride and things are a veggie

38:58

i can figure best and were gone was like okay

39:00

so it's a scenic route of his aaa there's

39:02

three a's what are the three a's and

39:04

were looking for here okay at is an anarchist

39:07

perhaps maybe that's when the and when okay

39:10

i'm looking at this and that and the guys

39:12

kind of faded some ago the like affect the future

39:14

thanks is a guy getting faded be concerned because

39:16

he hasn't completed his mission ah yet

39:19

he hasn't been hasn't gotten his mom and dad

39:21

together yet okay

39:24

so

39:26

this has this scene with john

39:28

a fan and will

39:30

the

39:32

and i think this is meant to

39:34

be very the emotional pay off to

39:38

and i do feel like i

39:41

don't know him sorts of as an awesome sauce

39:43

to read this as jonathan

39:45

nose was gay

39:47

or if you just saw him crying and he knows

39:49

he's like

39:51

dealing with trauma or he's just

39:53

going through some emotional stuff and it's

39:55

never said there's nothing ever

39:58

said in this episode

39:59

this fact

40:02

how are you reading this conversation hi

40:05

i read it as he does now that

40:08

was gay and i think it's because

40:11

i'm giving and giving the benefit of the doubt

40:13

to their

40:15

the relationship family relationship

40:17

right the idea that you know

40:19

we only see jonathan and will through the lens

40:22

of stranger things episodes and whenever they

40:24

are together bottle bob in the idea

40:26

that jonathan , a very sensitive

40:28

sort he has been a surrogate

40:30

surrogate for this number oil all right

40:32

through marriage if anyone would be

40:34

picking up on the clues at some point i would think that

40:37

would be as well album back to season

40:39

one year he has that really

40:41

touching conversation he's like don't be normal

40:43

be normalise be ray

40:46

you know ray difference in

40:48

a be the kind of person that likes to

40:50

likes music the other people don't like

40:53

and so it's almost permission for

40:55

him who

40:57

live in he could it be them and planning that

40:59

the because he knew maybe better than will that

41:01

at that point right i'm in as possible as

41:03

that's also possible i just can't i

41:05

like it's it's unclear to

41:07

the

41:09

it's unclear to the viewer

41:12

what jonathan is actually

41:14

same here

41:15

i feel like because it's

41:18

fairly clear to me

41:20

that was gay dads

41:23

this is what jonathan is talking about yeah

41:26

, i think it's men and i think the real and

41:28

the so the couple things you can read into that the why

41:30

that way it's not explicit right one you

41:32

know maybe we don't get really explicitly indo are trying

41:34

to save the world at this particular moment ah

41:37

the other thing been ah even

41:40

if you know and even if your support

41:42

of and nineteen eighty six that's a conversation

41:44

that people don't have a lot of training on

41:47

yeah talk around it is

41:49

not part of our is not part of

41:51

indiana culture that is your ah

41:54

and it was barely part of california culture

41:56

you know i mean it in eighty six

41:58

we were not

41:59

great

42:01

the right i mean as

42:03

we know know yeah and i think that i

42:05

think maybe he doesn't allow me with the he's got

42:07

the vocabulary and on think he's got the

42:10

that they're this is i

42:13

didn't get it i think a lot of motors on the didn't

42:15

grow up and in california might think

42:17

well yeah of course system liberal

42:19

california people just accept gay people

42:22

i just as is my how it was

42:24

it's it's unless you are like they're

42:27

very few places in the country

42:30

where you can be openly gay and

42:33

they'd be okay and i'm only there's

42:35

anywhere in the country where he can be a kid and gained

42:38

in be okay i think we're meant to believe

42:40

that he knows because away that the to that because

42:42

a big the big conversation the back of advance

42:45

he he knows to that l didn't

42:47

commission this painting on a minute act

42:49

as a lot of those i keep him him as a

42:51

makes all the connections at that point

42:53

sees what's really going on and

42:56

, i think because of the circumstance because

42:58

of not in the silly having the vocabulary

43:01

and the him dinner just they they have

43:03

as much capability the have that conversation and

43:06

nineteen eighty six on you

43:08

can tap dance around it and say look i

43:10

know you know what i'm talking

43:13

about and were cool you

43:15

know and i think that that's and that's very brotherly

43:17

to keep in mind that job that while

43:19

he looks fifty he's not

43:22

in he's scene of he's

43:24

also scene young boy quote

43:26

unquote i've ever

43:28

dealt with dealt leg up the nose situation

43:31

ah something similar

43:35

we had

43:37

like our house

43:39

man like they six seven something

43:41

that we have like have like color forms like

43:43

a hot like of collide same way would have hotwheels

43:45

amigos like they were just mash up of stuff

43:48

even and in it was this

43:50

little like medal round look

43:52

like a gear that we have gone to like of

43:54

go stomper are some some sir

43:57

and i just shoves acting

43:59

role models

43:59

well what and i

44:02

, know why i don't know and

44:04

i wasn't like married you have to enter the

44:06

the doctor for this it was a big

44:08

was bit of panic and a was pretty far

44:11

and i don't remember how at the guy they just

44:13

about forcing me to just try to turn

44:15

to hong get our and eventually it

44:17

did that man hours i was like this

44:19

is who i am now and

44:22

part machine half

44:25

man half stomper a gallon

44:27

or other thing that , was a monumental

44:30

and i mean when i am a pineapple on pizza when

44:32

i talk about ah argyle

44:37

, yeah gotta be clean

44:39

fucking huge the mind them in it's amazing

44:44

my love i love how argyle

44:46

is and we do we talked about

44:48

this or another they were were

44:50

we have the first season

44:53

yeah we've turbo like how you got the kids that

44:55

are equipped to

44:58

get right into fighting monsters because they

45:00

live in their imagination our house or have

45:02

outgrown it and so now you got everybody

45:05

that's older and how do you interview somebody

45:07

who's got that same level of

45:10

lives in their imagination of their fantasy were when

45:12

you get a stoner from southern california

45:14

has just died yeah why not why

45:16

wouldn't it be if an interesting parallel

45:18

with murray with are now because murray

45:20

is prepared for this because

45:23

his whole the life of those

45:25

his imagination his wrapped up wrapped conspiracy

45:27

theories very

45:29

right

45:30

the that's a different kind of fantasy scabies

45:32

created for himself and

45:35

, some of those weirdness kenneth fits in

45:37

with that argyle

45:41

isn't any conspiracy theories are

45:43

although the i think he does promote a

45:45

few conspiracy theories that

45:48

the amount of skate is smacking

45:51

that's going on throughout , world

45:53

and i do think that

45:56

he's just sounds like you

45:58

there's he's very spiritual

45:59

amber whatever i

46:02

, i see this is sent this i'd

46:06

, don't like the word spiritual does

46:08

it it could mean like

46:09

tom a different things right

46:12

, he's the can a guy that's looking for

46:14

mushrooms at the end of this

46:16

or as an hour south so he is

46:19

is idea of their of have been

46:21

able to exist on another plane is

46:24

is comparable lately in

46:26

his wheelhouse or yeah he's fido agree to tell

46:28

me that there's other dimensions where

46:30

you can travel with your mind

46:33

and then some of those might not be goodies i

46:35

do that been their been musk

46:38

said breath guy it's actually

46:41

canada of as sophisticated little

46:43

window in to religious studies

46:46

when , he's added be clean

46:48

to enter the mind this

46:51

sort of a window into mean for

46:53

five different really important religions

46:56

there there is absolutely a connection

46:58

between baptism

47:00

and spiritual purity right

47:03

so for hinder our there so many bathing

47:05

many bathing ah ss so

47:07

for him to says totally makes sense

47:09

in his in his the frame

47:11

from his framework now of course you

47:13

know again we're going to have a faith vs

47:15

science conversation because makers

47:18

incredulous right right you

47:20

like how could you not know this but

47:22

that's what i love about right because it is everything

47:25

is blurring the line and

47:27

everyone you know everyone has their own way of trying

47:29

to rationalize were so you have mean i'm

47:32

jason who rationalize that this like well

47:34

it must be evil and must be satanic

47:36

and and we as good

47:38

christians have to stop it fine and i can set up

47:40

instead of been going to the other direction as as well

47:42

then we need to be in order in stop the spiritual

47:45

warfare we need to engage on the other

47:47

side of the spirituality

47:49

take matters into his on hand you've got this other

47:51

guy who's in a forgery for mushrooms

47:53

he's you know he's just all about

47:55

whatever you know you know try

47:57

before you deny service

47:59

they'll be a little montana efforts are catholic

48:02

it is his life ethic

48:04

really tried to him and so here is

48:06

there like hey we're gonna have to go to the travel

48:08

into somebody is mine is like that yeah

48:10

for sure as get some salt you know whatever

48:12

it takes an ,

48:14

i think that if there's something they got a fascinating

48:17

about that rights of hits

48:19

and in this has made me take him and utterly that

48:21

like jason is in

48:24

may this is a conscious critique by the

48:26

duffers the jason is jason product of

48:28

hand me down

48:30

the algae and ideology when

48:32

i was raised with and when i was writer i only

48:34

have as much information as i've been given and

48:36

have much information i choose to engage with

48:39

give me the blanket gimme the bullet points on

48:41

my call on sunday and i'm gonna get

48:43

of a get what i need an animal go out and everything else is

48:46

up demand so then he's is gonna plug

48:48

where he learns into this paradigm

48:50

this priests argyll and argyle as experiential

48:53

argyle has opened

48:55

his mind by virtue of whether

48:58

it's and marijuana others me mushrooms

49:00

whatever he's experience of everything

49:02

whenever someone says the inhale who

49:04

i'm dealing with this monster

49:06

from another world is like i too have had

49:08

a bad trip and , so

49:11

he so his experience makes

49:13

him much more open and actually much more

49:16

willing and helpful in many ways because he's like

49:18

oh you're going on a journey two episodes

49:21

i i know whether all of that is is

49:23

conscious a it is certainly resonates

49:26

well it's and is eight yeah they're two different

49:28

high there's two different sides of really

49:30

of the religious coin and the in in

49:32

religious studies we would say something like is

49:35

the difference between the priests and the prophet and

49:37

said the prefer sort of there to protect of tradition

49:41

and the profit is there to upset the tradition

49:44

and so you can i need both sorts

49:47

of voices and

49:50

is in in this case it just just

49:52

turns out that the profit is there

49:54

is closer to being helpful

49:56

they're both wrong on this measure

49:59

their vehicles well have no longer

50:01

different reasons i will say as

50:03

somebody who is both gone to

50:05

a christian summer camp and

50:08

done mushrooms there's

50:11

only one of those i would try again

50:17

i ruined awake hawaiian pizza oh

50:19

, what are you what's your relationship with my okay

50:22

so it during this watching

50:25

the scene and my son sake this

50:28

is so clingy they're bringing in the whole

50:30

hawaiian pizza debate now

50:33

, not on social media and

50:35

have been on social media for years

50:37

now so so a lot

50:39

about pop culture that i

50:41

just have divorced myself from i

50:44

do happen to know that there's that debate

50:46

about fruit on pizza which

50:50

makes a lot of them who has been going on for what decades

50:52

now this ,

50:54

predates the internet internet

50:57

a little bit there and then it

50:59

, help but think of your recommendation

51:02

to me

51:04

that you can do pineapple

51:06

on pizza we have to add jalapeno

51:10

that's an enemy that i thought

51:14

i stress try this

51:16

is the something nice try

51:19

but if my my son's reading of this

51:21

was that they were sort of

51:24

winking to

51:26

these online debates

51:28

and he founded cringe

51:30

the well yeah

51:32

mm

51:33

in the end this is gonna this will

51:36

make sense your son later is that not

51:38

everything is about as generations if

51:41

, a who sometimes

51:43

they're probably won't make sense to him to

51:46

here we are talking in this podcast making

51:48

everything about making generation will

51:50

he as well as for partly because i know

51:53

we never learn this lesson state no

51:55

no no no no why

51:57

i had a big it but it had think what

51:59

it is the eating in a might

52:01

be like he he he might be looking at it as

52:03

as a wink and nod to hey i little

52:06

like maybe like it's relating to are trying

52:08

to relate to like and the guy like an old guy

52:10

trying to be hip i would go a step

52:12

further says if this

52:14

is not there's nothing new under the sun they're

52:17

pineapple on pizza was controversial back

52:19

then it's controversial now is just now people

52:21

have ways to talk about of incessantly

52:24

with , of the world world

52:26

before it was just something that would be a conversation

52:28

that what happened at a straw hat it's

52:32

do you do enjoy pineapple on

52:34

pizza yeah oh

52:36

i'm voice peters probably would be my

52:38

goto if i was getting a person wow

52:41

okay now that's interesting to me

52:43

because while i don't mind

52:45

it and mind don't have a strong opinion about it it

52:48

probably be like pie wouldn't even

52:50

beyond my top ten the other

52:53

kinds of he does that i'd order it by

52:55

it was sort of like

52:57

i'm hang out with friends and

52:59

there's pizza out there

53:01

and i saw it in front of me i thought who

53:04

i am i think this is a tree i haven't had this

53:06

in a while yeah big one eight

53:08

that's how i see it most the time because nobody in

53:10

my family likes it so i can't really

53:12

order it but if if

53:14

going to like every day that you and i talked about applying

53:17

for going to give me what hegel order a pizza for

53:19

yourself pepperoni jalapeno

53:22

now i just

53:24

really is just seems like it's

53:26

it's i don't know why i

53:28

maybe i should try before that i

53:31

was just had sex

53:34

i'm honestly and by the

53:36

way of you call the phone number phone the server

53:38

boy pizza boy pizza

53:40

that this was a thing i do i

53:42

have not tried at what would the manchus

53:45

it's precious oh she are you recommending

53:47

to our fans to try good for give

53:49

it a shot are you going to explain

53:51

to us what happened there you just want to leave and okay

53:55

, we have three

53:58

hour we already have already fine

53:59

oh this is a moon

54:03

originally the moon a case

54:05

of a good year this is a sex

54:07

you could think of this thing or

54:11

i feel like for our fans

54:13

they're gonna wanna hear this

54:15

a first for our

54:18

listeners their absolute going to

54:20

want to hear you answer this zooming

54:22

they haven't started off as were more ons about a bill

54:24

both cases

54:27

six this six this moon saved tell

54:29

us about the night you partied with metallica

54:32

oh well it wasn't all and

54:34

metallica narrator

54:37

so italian to start of the beginning we

54:39

wanna hear the story i

54:41

, this as we won't be dire

54:43

the time that i i'd ah now

54:45

ever so briefly that lars ulrich the brummer

54:48

brummer he came to see todd barry and i was over in

54:50

front of berries i ethics with that's the accident

54:53

party ah but ah

54:55

jason newsted a you met lars

54:57

but you didn't hang out with them right

55:00

so i was i was a

55:03

a regular on on a local radio station

55:05

for a needle droppings segments

55:08

oh and some new records

55:10

of are becoming now and i said the guy though

55:12

the record store would would play snippets interview

55:14

play panel at mechanic of their first impressions

55:17

and gonna you

55:19

know local comic relief a little bit a little bit

55:21

a musical knowledge musical like to thank in them and

55:24

they said they we gotta have gotta guest and studio

55:26

and it was jason this that was formerly was metallic

55:29

the he played on a

55:31

lot of the earlier

55:33

the album's i think and justice

55:35

for all his his last okay

55:39

it anyway the

55:42

he was there and i was bringing in line

55:44

of work and and a whiner at the time so it's bring in line

55:46

for the group and the

55:49

the dj with those particularly fond of

55:52

white wines i brought in a vn yea i'm

55:55

sitting on the segment with with

55:57

adjacent is that gonna talk gonna little bed at

55:59

he jokes and any we hung out for

56:02

the neil draven saying well yeah like it in him at his

56:04

new band they were there and he was has gone eyes

56:07

i got to see you at as you play and my

56:09

brought out the wine and they are being a my

56:11

favorite mouth or that the with that either

56:14

this of his asthma on brand

56:17

rohit , my for them either either

56:19

said i said i told them you know on

56:21

era like era this is really

56:24

excited for me a big fan mall

56:26

but i will say that i'm that little i'm

56:29

cautious because you

56:31

were always the scary his face on

56:33

the metallic good so you know because

56:36

atlanta mom , the guys

56:38

like everybody was intimidating a lot of little

56:40

crazy than ah kirk

56:42

kirkwall of like you know he was a tough guy

56:45

on james's courses the wild front man

56:47

but you're the one that like near the one i i would

56:49

be the most afraid to be around and

56:52

there

56:54

and i'm like i just i just feel like at any moment

56:56

you just gonna is gonna lunch at me

56:58

and

57:00

i'm just nervous and sorry blather

57:02

i'm not that guy our so then after that

57:04

without a whole show thing it's and we go we

57:06

over to a restaurant across the street

57:08

that the the bj producer

57:10

know we're well aware and what happened

57:12

some some more wine amazon appetizers

57:15

and that everyone's feeling a little bit

57:18

and day is it was that these are town

57:20

different stories about you know like experiences

57:23

, concerts and this and that in mind news

57:25

that just that's gone off about this was one incident

57:28

like some issued that the rooms security

57:31

and selected days a i've been on the grabs

57:33

me like as in many grabs me me

57:35

demonstrate how security grabbed security

57:38

and i'm like an app what i do is very

57:41

on iran's the fungus i'm like

57:43

jelly method what i was afraid of afraid

57:45

just didn't realize that was going to be fueled by

57:47

v and yeah we

57:51

had a great time and well

57:54

, it's current awesome that he he

57:56

assaulted you because it

57:59

sort of i guess how

57:59

had a fascination

58:02

and wouldn't say it's childhood dream he didn't really

58:04

wanna be assaulted by you were for afraid

58:06

of it and have happened if he could

58:08

spread it's like if i were to the zoo and

58:11

or lie hey in allah is really something

58:13

when you see like like the the guerrillas

58:15

the attack each other or hallway and i'm

58:18

and many other i one of them sick

58:20

and the other ones earthly gallon

58:22

minutes the other there and school

58:26

a couple of a video and like

58:28

i went to like i went one time we took my daughter

58:31

and her classmates to the zoo or

58:33

like chaperone and i was like in other news

58:35

various monkeys in the always going to do something with

58:38

each other's but likely to see

58:40

it on youtube all the time and so this

58:42

kind of if i hope the hope this something

58:44

and then and then he averages watching these monkeys

58:46

and it is up there and there's a sort of just

58:48

looking at us and they'll finally one comes over and

58:50

decides eaten the other ones ass

58:54

and i was like yes final

58:57

like , is where you come here for right

58:59

so that was my name's name's

59:02

is that bringing a new meaning to

59:04

the concept of a of with

59:08

a little bit of a good you're thrown in there i think

59:11

takes i

59:14

, around this thing

59:19

i read so this is another moon

59:22

geez , feel like maybe we should bank

59:24

one of these i was a bank the moon

59:27

and with and can can we could bank it again

59:30

again i could incorporate the moon and to earn

59:32

following episode here shoot

59:38

the to see staff or ,

59:40

valley rogan yeah with

59:42

the moon bank the moon is bank okay

59:44

this is number one this is the russia apply

59:46

to your he fiddles with can tinker dress

59:49

funny whole khamenei a tinker shirts and

59:51

then admires hoppers new apps

59:54

harper is all horned up about breadsticks

59:56

this leads to this long awaited russian

59:59

orthodox here hopper

1:00:01

get a phone call from lady

1:00:03

you number one he learns that all the

1:00:05

kids are on their way to hawkins by evil

1:00:07

joy suggested they break back in the prison

1:00:10

to destroyed their mind player skyn tag

1:00:12

the

1:00:14

harper unpacks a flame thrower and

1:00:17

they all drive back to the prison than jack

1:00:19

and have our appeals to uri's patriotism

1:00:22

to get him makes the chopper

1:00:25

once inside the prison uri learns

1:00:27

that thing they called the shadow has escaped

1:00:31

the possess multiple bodies

1:00:33

but the russian telling the story dies you for they can

1:00:35

find out who has been possessed

1:00:38

so i think

1:00:40

the do that the sawyer they're telling here

1:00:43

is a third the universe mcgreevey goes

1:00:45

into the gamma gorgons

1:00:47

of they killed the demagogue and sell

1:00:49

kill the smoke monster the

1:00:52

demi dog so kill a smug writer well

1:00:55

i think the idea to is to the

1:00:57

of the damned dog that were in the

1:00:59

test tubes or whatever where , are

1:01:01

like suppose we dad dad then

1:01:04

that game on life and that maybe that's

1:01:06

what animated then that's interesting because

1:01:09

interesting was trying to figure out initially like among certain

1:01:11

why did ago in our they already that thing you

1:01:14

know like what what what was it about that connection

1:01:16

but here and i'm like oh i'm a because they were all

1:01:18

lk then moves how they have gotten out of the tubes

1:01:21

and like they were in the tubes that what about that they have been study

1:01:23

the great the whore you have one opens on my my

1:01:25

assumption was that these were not being kept alive

1:01:27

these are being examined okay so here's my

1:01:29

issue with this having the first time i watch

1:01:31

this i assumed that the the

1:01:34

smoke monster when into the guards

1:01:37

right right and then of like i mean we're going

1:01:39

to eventually see guards with let

1:01:42

you know zombified guards or wherever

1:01:45

regular sorta like oh we saw in season

1:01:47

three and then then time watching

1:01:49

know i'm a pressure he means that that's with

1:01:51

animated the the demo dogs but

1:01:56

when he kill

1:01:56

them as scientists smooth there's

1:01:58

like smoke that

1:01:59

the with their body or something

1:02:02

right and

1:02:03

i'm not buying that you can

1:02:06

kill the smoke monster by

1:02:08

killing the body that it inhabits

1:02:13

so i'm yeah monitor our i'm wondering

1:02:15

maybe we we we see this followed

1:02:17

up and season five

1:02:19

yeah i feel like that was something

1:02:23

was it was a dramatic

1:02:26

the old up for something that i was like what he

1:02:28

was a point side of feel like maybe

1:02:30

that

1:02:32

that like that is yet to come at

1:02:34

my assumption is that has yet to come right in i see

1:02:36

and there could be an element of well

1:02:40

this is this will problem here's

1:02:43

the thing always gonna live as long as will the

1:02:45

life oh interesting cause there's something

1:02:47

came a chemical didn't have yet to the thin

1:02:49

and raymond like as the it never

1:02:51

left

1:02:53

no i wonder

1:02:54

it does make me wonder like or

1:02:57

if they wanna bring the rest of step back

1:02:59

in the season five

1:03:01

how do you do it

1:03:03

i mean it's possible that you'll have

1:03:05

yuri and the

1:03:08

aunts and off character in hawkins

1:03:11

the have to be something i gave a real

1:03:13

okay or something but i another way to do

1:03:15

that is to bring in like a russian

1:03:17

army that is sort

1:03:19

of possessed by the upside down

1:03:22

right

1:03:23

the thing that gets me a little bit too is

1:03:25

that because of now we've we've pettigrew

1:03:27

been clear that but the russia lot

1:03:30

has been sorted by least least favorite

1:03:32

them on we've engaged with the lease and then as we're getting

1:03:34

moving along like all there's more to it has

1:03:36

miss have a connection maybe there's a gate here

1:03:38

yeah that's how they thrive on so and those things didn't quite

1:03:41

come to fruition so then when it comes down and

1:03:43

like civilian tell me after all of that you created this

1:03:46

kind of arduous narrative just

1:03:48

to then say wow well

1:03:50

you know they kill these and it's sort of takes

1:03:54

a little bit the it it sort of wounds

1:03:56

that now from now from

1:03:59

my

1:03:59

that really the

1:04:02

you could have not technically

1:04:05

, there's a lotta different so

1:04:07

it it doesn't it feels to me like that i

1:04:09

in this this is the benefit the doubt that

1:04:11

i may be giving because it's

1:04:13

always seem to pay off with the with with

1:04:16

the show runners is at

1:04:18

be like the still like that story hasn't fully

1:04:21

come fruition yeah

1:04:23

and a bit it has than i'm like okay

1:04:26

, mean you really just drawing out the

1:04:28

hopper reunion and then at that

1:04:30

point truly is what it comes down to ends

1:04:32

and yeah you he gets because

1:04:34

it mean we almost like almost we paint ourselves

1:04:37

into a corner with with russia and

1:04:39

demagogues

1:04:41

then what right i'm in southern i'm

1:04:43

not yeah i feel like there's more to i think the

1:04:46

i think that that's exactly right of

1:04:48

the the problem is and then what because

1:04:52

if this is all that there was with the russia were

1:04:54

supply of be don't revisit this and make

1:04:56

this work for some future

1:05:00

even five storyline

1:05:02

kind of you like

1:05:04

this is a real big disappointment in

1:05:08

an otherwise as real stellar season

1:05:10

right yeah cause we

1:05:12

endured a lot that watch of hopper do

1:05:14

a lot in

1:05:17

a bit was just to basically like i

1:05:19

will wipe out a couple of years and it and in that kind

1:05:21

of helps neutralize okay

1:05:24

we did get to see hopper enjoys

1:05:26

finally

1:05:28

the romantic

1:05:29

right

1:05:30

and so that when all have their could think

1:05:32

of god he's gonna stains his mouth

1:05:34

is gonna be as terrible area yeah

1:05:37

that as exactly or a node

1:05:39

a joyce's see she's been through a few

1:05:41

years he's can sort of travel

1:05:44

scrabble mouth

1:05:46

she hadn't showered yeah you know the issues

1:05:48

that go but a aside can they be the same as

1:05:51

months and a russian goulard

1:05:53

he says he ate maggots as maggots gotta

1:05:55

have an effect center for he for he

1:05:58

mhz joy see

1:06:00

eight maggots he just talked or he the maggots

1:06:04

you know kisser

1:06:06

the no i don't know what's going on here

1:06:10

have you ever up the hulk

1:06:12

hogan shirts versus than absolutely

1:06:15

whole , was nice i like their preferred

1:06:17

a puffy jacket jacket

1:06:19

, so going to ask

1:06:21

you is this

1:06:24

reunion

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finale worthy the

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joys and

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them giant opera i am of

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the opinion is just not to be her at

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this did not have to be two hours and twenty minutes long

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and i kind of feel like you

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could easily because

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, for he deletes three hours from

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the season by deleting the oppressive flat

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earth and i can

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feel like that's feel like to build

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up for for this kid for this

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is very brief kes you

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know and it's interesting too because

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and i'm sure for some fans that's different

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you know maybe maybe you and i were not

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as like

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when i harper enjoys gonna

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finally get together

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yeah this is not a salmon diane

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said to a i think i mean and i and i'm happy

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they are but i also was like that

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i always i i i didn't name it

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ever i think i kind of rather enjoyed

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the attention of of

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his inability to to sort

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of seal the deal than and

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and you would always get his own way and like sat there was

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something about that that was i

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was some kind of charming inside

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and i kinda liked it so when

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it's like all the finally together i guess i never really

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had that same though they

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are won't they kind of moment even though

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this was a pay off a thing for those that would have

1:07:49

maybe felt more like that and

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for me those those two getting together

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was certainly the

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way lower on the list them

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the is steve jonathan

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nancy know triangle i

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just felt like i'm happy to see them i'm

1:08:06

happy that the see them get romantic it

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was long overdue they don't

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have i needed the entire three

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hours of television building up to this

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point yeah because

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nothing else about this plot feels climactic

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at all to me anyway,

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we can put that to bed i am

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going to roll this

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we

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have our self hey

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dude your steve nash

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, and then then bank

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that moon for another okay sounds good

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to go some go am

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this is am five

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and then ago has and us again we

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have ourselves a to

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the scooby gang slip into

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the upside down steve nancy and robin

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walked through the words to the murder

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house steve shares

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to with nancy try

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to get her back once at the house

1:09:04

they wait for vagner to take the bait

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them they hopscotch over the vagner

1:09:08

vines and head up to the addicts

1:09:11

i'm so early in the bag received now it's

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kind of amazing tears he

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was have a full on bad guy

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in season one i'm

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so in the bag for steve and

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nancy to hook up i

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don't care by jonathan and i

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don't care if he ever find love ever

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again now

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you have with it isn't getting ill on jonathan

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our jonathan to take

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a vow of celibacy move

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to a monastery and

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, and that that that sammy can

1:09:46

just like transcribe old scriptures

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or something something

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yeah so i'm i'm happy to see that

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nancy is at

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least open to the idea

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the taking steve back

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while it is a wild wild

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journey that we've gone

1:10:05

the

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and and i mean

1:10:10

i mean we have adults in this narrative that are

1:10:12

not as mature as steve harris j

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c engine has made quite

1:10:16

the evolution perfect

1:10:19

now when we look at when

1:10:23

we look at this writer late so who he

1:10:25

is it you know here we are we've we've seen this twice

1:10:27

we now this hands and i'm sure anybody listening

1:10:29

to him i'm also knows but

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i mean let's go back

1:10:33

to where we will look what we thought what we're talking

1:10:36

about i mean i was pretty convinced

1:10:38

that harrington was a goner so

1:10:40

he in this have this moment how

1:10:43

much do you feel like oh yeah

1:10:45

he's gonna when

1:10:48

we're watching when you're watching the early seems

1:10:51

ah on fall the yeah being

1:10:53

honest with honest with among many

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shirted feel like like

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when he tells they get like don't be a hero you get

1:11:00

to be the heroes the all

1:11:02

that all of those conversations everything

1:11:04

islamic this is leading them up and i just

1:11:06

am lie i was i was griffin

1:11:09

and ready yes absolutely read

1:11:11

the so a disc since we're doing the first hour

1:11:13

in this our i am i don't know

1:11:15

who's surviving i

1:11:18

am full game of thrones motor this boy

1:11:20

okay i write i feel i

1:11:23

think i was sort of tearing

1:11:25

and will push me over was the fire and rain

1:11:28

it'll drop from last episode

1:11:31

the housing one of these two is probably

1:11:33

going to die and it's as

1:11:35

everyone thinks it's either probably right

1:11:38

and now i feel

1:11:40

like because all of

1:11:42

that has been postponed the season five

1:11:47

i did don't know what to expect

1:11:50

well i'm packages in his first half like this

1:11:52

color reluctant to the our what you but when you're feeling

1:11:54

at this point did you feel like like

1:11:57

what you're watching earned ball is as their as they're

1:11:59

making their way of they're on their red dawn yard

1:12:03

and and the way that he's you know

1:12:05

her her talking about it it was always you nancy

1:12:08

he was the hero according to those guys

1:12:10

as as as feel like do you feel

1:12:13

when you're watching this the first time any

1:12:15

closer to like oh yeah did you feel like yeah

1:12:17

steve is going or did you or

1:12:20

use kind of in the same like on the fan i

1:12:23

don't remember i remember how i felt

1:12:26

i , that i was i was concerned

1:12:28

your comments it it was it is sort of

1:12:30

her and and com and

1:12:32

track that you'll do with a character

1:12:35

especially character male character

1:12:37

they give them a love interest

1:12:40

if they feel really close to an

1:12:42

eventual he they're going to

1:12:44

be satisfied they're

1:12:48

they're going to air happiness

1:12:50

is just right

1:12:52

the tip of their fingers they

1:12:54

can just get to this next thing

1:12:57

then they'll find an appeal to get the girl and

1:12:59

then that's how the they give you a

1:13:01

sort of an emotional shock when that character

1:13:04

dies or want any our

1:13:06

when the woman dies right the users

1:13:08

metal band ever me and earth and naps

1:13:10

way easier to perfect spot because

1:13:13

in fact that he can go out

1:13:16

and the now you nancy can go back

1:13:18

to jonathan because there's no more of a complication

1:13:20

of a of see parenting if the parents

1:13:22

and six at the us now

1:13:24

it is a full on love triangle it

1:13:27

it doesn't have to stay that way if

1:13:29

steve harrington goes out and so then it becomes

1:13:31

okay i go back with jonathan but

1:13:33

any man the memory of see than what he

1:13:35

did and and how can i ever really

1:13:37

loved jonathan when bad as on so there's

1:13:40

that it like to me that was like depth

1:13:42

and it's all on and up

1:13:44

and here we go so i was just

1:13:46

yeah absolutely ready

1:13:49

yeah no i totally get there

1:13:51

and i think is justified and the fact that they

1:13:54

were able to pull that off is

1:13:56

off is something

1:13:58

though yeah

1:13:59

good as good as again to the deaf or

1:14:02

brothers the the they

1:14:04

they pulled they old switcheroo yet again

1:14:06

with steve harris i

1:14:09

really dug the red bahraini on robin

1:14:12

the

1:14:14

did you ever triborough

1:14:17

you know i never purchased

1:14:19

a parade i was my legs there's

1:14:21

a lot of thing and i go as as

1:14:23

well test and i got i got this tastes

1:14:25

very creative with the hats i would try

1:14:28

but i kind of felt like felt like that it that

1:14:31

a brave was just like

1:14:32

the bridge to forever break he was

1:14:34

like either if there's anything that i know

1:14:37

that i can't pull off it's a break from

1:14:41

here i just felt like you gotta be like

1:14:44

french fashion designer

1:14:46

to pull off a bray i try

1:14:48

to be re ones like i'm not like buying

1:14:50

one but i never foot in one on another man

1:14:52

as if

1:14:55

it were it was a hairstyle like like i was

1:14:57

like having a haircut that i knew i couldn't pull off

1:14:59

and and pretend to i , i

1:15:01

would only think about how the bray looks

1:15:03

at this moment that will be he

1:15:05

would be it's i would be the whole time as as it

1:15:07

is it houses in lane right

1:15:10

because you know it's was act when some of that was like

1:15:12

when to when it works and it is lame natural

1:15:14

and in one man upon than up and in as you try to recreate

1:15:17

ago i just looked like i try to make it that

1:15:20

way married to do that for i don't know

1:15:22

what these things are called that i did do the poofy

1:15:24

had said that has the brim

1:15:27

there are like of saigon is like

1:15:29

more like a tide i had

1:15:32

like a jiffy pop yeah that's right that's

1:15:34

right but it kinda hangs down the back

1:15:37

and it's get that brim up of front

1:15:39

i don't even know you call those things but the

1:15:41

as it is a little bit bahraini like

1:15:43

to have them were that brim now that

1:15:45

rim cabaret energy for sure

1:15:50

like it signifies like this is a kind of person

1:15:52

who would wear a brace if

1:15:54

they could solve their body odor problem

1:15:57

a that that's kind

1:15:59

of and i feel

1:15:59

now the bohemian burrow it's

1:16:02

about he'd eat

1:16:04

me if the correct with

1:16:08

criminal gang doesn't get a lot of

1:16:11

a , time in this very lab

1:16:13

a sense but i do want to say one more

1:16:15

thing about this cause i think that we've exhausted

1:16:17

or story on i

1:16:19

wanna say that one

1:16:22

thing that i think said this season

1:16:24

apart from the other seasons

1:16:28

is i feel like

1:16:30

you've given all of these characters

1:16:33

space to cook

1:16:36

the answer whether we're talking about

1:16:38

max before

1:16:40

sort of a be plot character are you

1:16:42

talking about maria

1:16:44

you're talking about ah

1:16:47

you know jonathan or whoever

1:16:50

sometimes these sometimes some of these

1:16:52

characters would kind of fall into

1:16:54

a be plot

1:16:56

oh i would this season

1:17:00

the guy like maybe mike as the weak

1:17:02

link of the season but everyone else

1:17:04

really get some space to show they

1:17:07

can do

1:17:08

i really cared about almost all

1:17:10

of the story lines and

1:17:13

so on our mate maybe it maybe sort

1:17:15

of the hopper thing was

1:17:17

the weak link

1:17:18

which is kind of wild because

1:17:21

the , you know season

1:17:24

three ends with a dad and so

1:17:26

this and so idea that he's alive

1:17:29

and needs to come back really should

1:17:31

hold more of our

1:17:33

attention and wouldn't mind really

1:17:35

should be a central point in it's it's interesting

1:17:38

that it's that it wasn't and

1:17:41

it could be that him that that it was

1:17:43

no fault of anything that they were doing with

1:17:46

what was going on in russia it's just that by comparison

1:17:48

to all the other things that are happening it

1:17:52

you know we if you to lay it out on paper

1:17:54

you be like wow you guys have

1:17:56

to break out of a russian goulard

1:18:00

that else also infested with demi

1:18:02

gorgon twenties and it

1:18:05

there's gonna be murray doing karate

1:18:07

in and there's gonna be a hulk hogan

1:18:09

shirt involved like if you put that out running

1:18:11

of like oh yeah good luck how how how

1:18:13

my even pay any attention to whatever is going

1:18:15

on and hawkins who cares about own

1:18:17

mother monster are you kidding me

1:18:20

so it's gonna while back that that's how good

1:18:22

everything else was by comparison some of that

1:18:25

that one could it ah you know

1:18:27

steal the show okay

1:18:29

i'm gonna give you one tweak to improve the season

1:18:32

so bring in a little cocoon the horror

1:18:35

magic into the sir podcasts

1:18:38

what if you introduce what if you

1:18:40

have zero hopper

1:18:42

until like episode seven and

1:18:44

then all the sudden you've totally forgotten

1:18:47

about harper

1:18:48

and

1:18:50

all of sudden you bring in the rush apart like

1:18:52

right at the end in you make

1:18:54

all of that happen

1:18:57

all of that all that stuff that happens

1:18:59

in rush you make all that happened in

1:19:02

twenty minutes or something like that i

1:19:04

think that think would have been kind of thrilled to get hopper

1:19:07

back like when are they going to bring hopper back

1:19:09

when of the generous and then they bring him and him

1:19:11

and you reduce that whole storyline from like

1:19:13

three hours twenty minute

1:19:16

yeah like i even go a step further you're

1:19:18

you're in your momentum is going your momentum is going

1:19:20

boom boom boom boom boom and then one entire

1:19:22

episode hopper

1:19:24

in russian you like what this is taking me out

1:19:26

of everything else and , i'm end of

1:19:29

it and then at the and you see how it's gonna

1:19:31

tie or something in the world in

1:19:33

our cooking rice maybe i'm a i

1:19:35

still think that there's up the season a fantastic

1:19:37

i think sure i think and with

1:19:40

a love polarizer on it and he

1:19:42

etti spent half day o'connor get about how

1:19:44

good razor as you been so many other this

1:19:47

many other really has turned into something of an ensemble

1:19:50

castrate right and

1:19:52

i think then again i think that the the say tannic

1:19:55

panic them subplot

1:19:57

is

1:19:59

the just

1:19:59

oh good it is it's such

1:20:02

a you know that

1:20:04

your fascinating thing that is based in in

1:20:06

a real the real occurrence

1:20:08

that you know we lived through and it's so

1:20:10

it is the so as bizarre as it may seem

1:20:13

and perversion for the sure to explore you

1:20:15

know he has show for that particular

1:20:17

topic the

1:20:19

the sequence like the the entire

1:20:22

that entire episode where max's

1:20:25

wrestling with the idea that she's going to

1:20:28

her death at an inevitability and how

1:20:31

they build that whole sequence

1:20:33

where she ends up getting rescue of

1:20:35

his i'm

1:20:38

not seen it's wise and it an older guy was any

1:20:40

less moved even when i knew what was

1:20:42

going to happen no

1:20:45

i think this i mean that there are the is there

1:20:47

are elements that are in this season

1:20:49

that are clearly the best work that they've

1:20:51

done and whether or not it's all

1:20:53

together the same thing

1:20:56

that that i think is is negotiable

1:20:59

yeah but i but i definitely i'm

1:21:01

not ready emulated prisoner

1:21:03

the moment potentially but i i

1:21:06

i think that they pulled off so many so

1:21:08

many tricks that on

1:21:10

centers different than what they did in the first season

1:21:12

the first season was was just altogether

1:21:15

gray yeah but the tricks

1:21:17

that they pull off and this one and sort of be

1:21:20

the pay off of everything it's kind hearted

1:21:22

you can't look at him in at vacuum in on him and okay

1:21:25

so we come back next week we will

1:21:28

thoroughly cover the

1:21:30

last hour and when

1:21:32

he minutes who this episode hood and

1:21:35

was was a little bit of discussion

1:21:37

about where this leads us