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excited about this week's guest who I

4:22

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podcast. That was the first

4:26

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4:29

been so happy every time that I've seen

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her since This pitch

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has everything from k

4:35

pop to strap talk, so

4:37

let's get into it. Okay.

4:43

Today, we've got New York City based

4:45

Sheria Mattis who actually

4:47

once filled in Last

4:50

minute, like a champ for a

4:52

live Love's a pitch show,

4:54

you had no idea what you

4:56

were getting into. Did you. Not

4:58

even a little bit. No. Even god

5:00

don't. Yeah. I I tried to

5:02

let people know what it is, but until you're

5:04

there, it's kinda like, what is

5:07

happening? Yeah. It's it's a

5:09

it's a difficult one to explain. You gotta just

5:11

be in it. You gotta be it. Thank

5:13

you. Thank you for doing that. Just

5:16

had a show last night.

5:18

And somebody who

5:20

was a listener of the Dyking out podcast,

5:22

they were in town from North Carolina for work

5:24

and kinda like timed it to come to the show.

5:27

And I was

5:29

like, based on how I've described

5:31

it, was it what you thought it would

5:33

be? And she was like, It's actually

5:36

exactly how you described it which is

5:38

chaos and fun.

5:40

Yeah. But it's just most it's mostly

5:43

chaos. She's

5:45

like, I walked in. Two of

5:47

the judges were talking about how they

5:49

took edibles and they were hitting

5:51

during the show. And Who

5:54

were the judges? Is it the same judges every

5:56

time? It's it's the same

5:58

for the most part as long as they're all in town,

6:01

Kendall Payne, Chest Henderson, and

6:03

Lorena Russie just

6:06

because I feel bad.

6:08

If I were to swap out one person to

6:10

put with the other two,

6:13

it's hard to keep up, but I feel like the

6:15

three of them are kind of on the same

6:17

wacky page.

6:18

Absolutely. Yes. Yes. And

6:20

have no problem telling each other to

6:22

shut the fuck up or whatever it

6:25

is. They need to do at the

6:26

moment. Like, it it's like three sisters

6:28

separated at birth. With three different

6:30

moms. But Yeah. Yeah.

6:33

It's very it's like the kind of chaotic,

6:36

like, punk band energy

6:38

that you want for the judge's section.

6:41

Right. Right. That's just bad. Okay. Yes.

6:46

Yes.

6:47

Except when they're asking question, I think last

6:49

night, one of the questions was like, what brand

6:52

of ukulele is

6:52

that? I'm like, nobody cares. Ask a

6:54

question about their love life. That's

6:57

part of it. But they don't

6:59

have relevant northeastern square

7:01

play. They're not relevant. Last

7:03

night, one of the questions was, somebody

7:06

said that they're, like, in the music and they were

7:08

asked, what are the top three

7:10

tiny desk concerts. Like,

7:12

they were just assumed to be a tiny desk

7:14

concert kind of

7:15

sore.

7:16

I like

7:16

it.

7:16

No. I think that's a quality question. I

7:19

love that.

7:19

I like music too. I think I've only seen

7:21

three tiny desk concert, like Like,

7:24

all the way through, yes, Right.

7:27

Right. Yes. The tank in the bank is and

7:29

obviously, Love's. Liza Liza. The

7:31

tank in the bank is one is Yeah. --

7:33

legendary. That is, like, what

7:35

Dyking of May, but I really I will

7:37

stand toeves out on

7:39

that. I I love that one. Alright.

7:41

Well, that's a lot about that. Still

7:44

not a fair question. Still not a fair

7:45

question, I think, to to ask somebody. Right?

7:49

I just wanted to know that I would

7:51

be paired. If that's what's gonna happen,

7:53

isn't it any point during this

7:54

show? I'm here. What was on

7:56

top of it? I I think that's the whole point

7:58

of doing this is to not do that.

8:01

Though I may revert, you

8:02

know, like, when and doubt ask people

8:04

if they're a top bottomer switch, and

8:06

that's --

8:07

Mhmm. -- integral information. It

8:09

might be

8:09

coming. It might be coming. That

8:11

answer is always right.

8:14

Well, before you pitch,

8:17

Q Tel, our audience, how do

8:19

you identify?

8:21

I'm a cis gender black,

8:23

queer woman. She her pronouns.

8:26

You know, I am mentally ill, Caribbean,

8:28

and comedian. I don't I don't that's

8:34

I should tell you enough. Right

8:36

now. Oh, that's great. Alright.

8:39

Well, are you ready to make your pitch?

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hey, what's up? My name is

10:15

Sheria Mattis. I

10:18

am Brooklyn Born and

10:20

Bread, mentally ill

10:23

Jamaican American private

10:25

school knee grits, And I am seeking.

10:28

I am seeking someone on

10:30

the Usually, I like I like them a little

10:33

mask. I like a star to stem. Non

10:35

binary, fuck boy, credit cards on there.

10:37

Yeah. That's

10:40

just what I like. I am a

10:42

bottom, but not a lazy one. I

10:44

am and you know what?

10:46

You this is the thing. I'm different.

10:49

I'm different. Would you give for me something different?

10:51

This bad bitch is Sheria does it.

10:53

But where are you gonna meet a girl

10:55

that has very strange singular interests?

10:58

I like Christian horse girl, k

11:00

pop, and weird looking animals

11:03

and and I like old movies

11:05

from the thirties, you you gotta give me

11:07

one like like

11:08

that. That's different. Try something different.

11:11

You go. That's all

11:13

no. That's great. Sheria, you've

11:15

honestly I've had a, like, I'm

11:17

scribbling down notes

11:19

Sheria. Of things to follow-up

11:21

on Christian horse girl

11:23

k pop. Is that like a subgenre of

11:25

k pop that I'm just unaware of?

11:28

I believe it's sort of, like, inside baseballs,

11:30

the girls who don't know. Like, they they

11:32

that's what it is referring 2. It's a certain

11:34

different daughter of k pop. Like,

11:36

Are you familiar at all with

11:38

with k pop at all? I

11:41

mean, sort

11:43

of I was familiar with k pop,

11:46

like, before that

11:48

does sound like an idiot. Before it blew

11:50

up, but I grew up. Like, my best friend was Korean

11:52

growing. Okay.

11:53

What is your era? Like, girls generation,

11:56

BOHA! What's your era?

11:59

Why am I blinking on the name? Because I used

12:01

to just I would, like, import shit

12:03

from Korea for her for her birthday of

12:05

this, like, one boy band.

12:07

Two PM, H0T, was

12:09

that

12:10

H0T0, shit. You've been all

12:12

schooled. That is all schooled.

12:15

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

12:17

HFT. That was it. That was it.

12:19

Big in the H0T, the

12:21

first game. I

12:24

know. I know. So, like, now,

12:26

what's the big one that that everyone's, like,

12:29

crazy about with, like, the nine boys that all

12:31

look like. Androgynous lesbians

12:33

nine. Well, I don't know. It's

12:35

like a lot of them. I can't tell them part that everyone

12:37

freaks out over. Like, the big one, the big k pop

12:40

one. BTS. BTS. Yeah.

12:42

Yeah. Yeah. There's only seven

12:44

BTS. Boy. Okay.

12:46

A bond. When they're all in group together,

12:48

I can't I'm not, like, accounting with

12:51

Steers. Steers. So

12:54

I'm aware, even though it right

12:57

now, it seems like I'm not aware of BTSI

12:59

am aware of, like, BTS Sheria

13:02

the way that Twitter melts

13:05

down when one of them gets a haircut. Yep.

13:07

I'm aware of also like the k pop

13:10

fan trolling of, like, political

13:12

paint, like, all that kind of stuff. Oh,

13:13

I love that. That's the best of us. But

13:17

Christian horse girl, k

13:20

pop, just give me a little

13:22

bit of a description

13:23

here. The girls who know they know, like,

13:26

like, early twice. Like, my

13:28

favorite group is G Frannon or

13:30

Yoda Qingdu. Those are my girls

13:32

for life, bring them back, 2,

13:35

like, the early stuff from them, just

13:37

songs about wind and nature

13:40

and butter flies and That's

13:42

my shit. Like, that's my

13:45

shit. Like, that's like it's

13:47

just Sheria, sweet

13:49

and happy and extremely

13:52

feminine almost to the level of

13:54

parody. That's me. That's

13:57

2 deep down in my soul. Okay.

13:59

This is who I'm not allowed to be in

14:01

public. But this is who I am deep

14:03

down here. I

14:05

mean, this sounds alluring. This

14:07

sounds like something like if I go

14:10

to have you ever been to a Pelican

14:12

in New York Calicana

14:13

chicken? No.

14:14

It's called chicken. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's like

14:16

my favorite Sheria Fried Chicken

14:19

Place, and it's like you go They've got the music

14:21

video was playing, and then, like, every once

14:23

in a while, you just get, like, sucked in

14:25

and you're just kinda, like, hypnotized and eating

14:27

chicken and, like, next thing you know, all the food's

14:29

gone. I feel like that might be

14:31

those might be those Christian horse

14:33

of course girl

14:34

kids. You're literally describing my ideal,

14:37

like, association moment. Right.

14:39

Exactly.

14:41

I want to be doing it all.

14:43

Yes. I think

14:45

I gotta change my plans for tonight, actually.

14:47

It's been a while. That's

14:50

right. Give up like me. It

14:52

would say you're out eat chicken

14:54

and watch Cape Town girl group video.

14:57

You know what I like to do though? You ever

14:59

do, like, the you ever go to Cape Town and

15:01

do, like, the Nordiban? The

15:03

the karaoke room? Yes. Yes.

15:06

That's my I literally go there by

15:08

myself and spend three hours doing

15:10

a concert

15:12

for my fans who are invisible, but

15:14

they're there. They love it. They go

15:16

just That is my dream. No. That

15:19

I always think like anytime I'm really stressed

15:21

out, I'm like, I should just rent out a karaoke

15:23

room for myself and just like get

15:26

it all my but I never pulled the trigger

15:28

on

15:28

it. But you

15:28

recommend expensive

15:31

to do Right. No. I don't

15:33

do it. It's it's it's worth

15:35

it for me. Like, it literally it's

15:37

so healing for me. If I'm stressed and

15:39

I'm like, I'm gonna actually snap and

15:41

kill somebody. Yeah. I need some

15:43

salt, really grilled k pops.

15:46

You're looking three hours and a bunch

15:48

of soju. That's

15:51

that's what I do. That's how I that's

15:53

how I keep from becoming a domestic

15:55

Sheria. That's so

15:58

cute. Right? I'm,

16:01

like, talking to straight hat to the street. Those are

16:03

the things I gotta do to keep,

16:05

like,

16:06

to keep everybody else safe. What

16:09

what's your what's your go

16:10

to karaoke song? It's gonna

16:12

be rough Dyking

16:15

or Yurigosu by GFRED. It's gonna be a

16:17

GFRED. Okay. It's gonna be sub what are the thoughts?

16:19

What are their early thoughts? Or Nabi

16:21

later? Something that just has.

16:23

We just it's about butterflies. It's

16:26

about love. It's about

16:28

it's about dancing with your home girls.

16:31

Time for the moonlight is another go to

16:34

that's my shit, you know. Bawel girls

16:36

on

16:36

top, really, you know, getting little

16:38

g with it, we get a little gang to it. Like, that's

16:43

I hate to rub this in. I hate to rub

16:45

this in Sheria, but listeners,

16:47

I actually invited Shuria out

16:50

to hang out Henry at a Hudson

16:52

on Wednesday because they

16:54

were taping for the new season

16:56

of real housewives of New York. And

16:59

we're trying to to fill the bar with

17:01

some queer

17:02

cuties. And afterwards, there

17:05

was karaoke it was like bunch

17:07

of comedian Dyking after 2

17:09

karaoke, and it was so much

17:11

fun. That's so much fun. Were missed.

17:14

But I fear that

17:16

would have been, like, the end of my reputation.

17:20

Yeah. You you need to be in the room by yourself.

17:22

You're not you're not ready to go live. Just

17:26

Not talking about people. Period.

17:30

There there's, like, one bravo producer. They

17:32

left behind and they're, like, Is

17:34

this person

17:35

okay? Like, should we give them their own show?

17:37

Or should we make sure they're never on TV? What?

17:41

Black girls thinking in bad Korean.

17:46

I'm in pain about having too miss that

17:48

because I had, like, eight years headache.

17:50

I will. Whatever. But

17:53

but and they at first, I was in more pain

17:55

when you described that. And then I was like, you know what,

17:57

actually, That's

18:00

a good way for me to never have sex again. No. No. That's a good way for

18:02

me to never have sex

18:05

again. And my little rdau did

18:07

put a little inconguado concert.

18:09

You know, another question I

18:11

was going to ask you, but but I don't know.

18:14

May maybe this has just been a demonstration

18:15

extrusion. What is your mental

18:18

illness?

18:18

Yes. Okay. Actually, I'm I'm just

18:20

kidding. No. You you come off great. That

18:22

was for the audience of not being an assle.

18:25

That was a joke. Okay. But you say you're mentally

18:27

ill? What what genre? I have

18:29

a few. Complex PTX z,

18:32

major depressive disorder.

18:34

Little touches of a gory phobia

18:37

throughout my life here and there, but that's

18:39

that's mostly under control. I

18:41

feel like being raised in,

18:43

like, New

18:44

York. Living your whole life in

18:46

New York. I would be afraid of

18:48

the outside too. Yeah. The thing is I didn't even

18:50

live my whole life in New York. I also went

18:52

to boarding school in Natick, Massachusetts.

18:55

Oh, wow. And that'll that'll being

18:58

the one black girl in Did

19:00

it school that made it back to 2 from

19:03

the hood is a real it's

19:05

what we call, check shelter, check It

19:07

does things to you. The white people were not

19:09

laying. It was the two thousands. They were

19:11

not trained yet. This is

19:13

great. Twenty 2 white people.

19:15

What was that? I mean, it

19:18

it sounds like like a nightmare.

19:21

Yeah. It was a lot. It was a lot. It was

19:23

like, you know, there's one kid who It

19:25

might write them this one group chat. We call it, like,

19:27

victims of this guy's name

19:30

because he he puts to He

19:32

used to he's, like, I just got it all in.

19:34

But for me, he used to draw pictures of me hanging.

19:37

Draw.

19:40

I keep them around this tool. We

19:43

had a directory

19:45

with everybody's names and addresses

19:47

in it because that's smart. And he

19:49

sound he drew a map of my

19:51

neighborhood in bedside and, like, drew,

19:53

like, Bob's going a lot 2 Like

19:56

-- Yeah. -- and which school

19:58

shooting was he responsible for?

20:00

Exactly. Right. I'm so surprised

20:03

that he never actually had

20:05

it. You know what? He never got it together. He

20:07

was never really focused

20:09

enough to complete a school shooting, and that's

20:11

really gonna be, you know, a concrete thing. I'm

20:14

really saying about that. Because I was

20:16

pretty sure,

20:17

like, that he was he was terrifying.

20:20

He was a terrifying child. Yeah.

20:22

That is in Saint.

20:24

Like, I feel like he was too young to be the zodiac

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killer, but this that's the only reason why

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he wasn't a setback because he really had

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that effing g. He had like a killer kill

20:33

list with, like, all of our names

20:35

out of everything. I don't

20:37

know. He's fine now. He's a blue

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lives matter. Oh,

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wow. Okay. I was gonna say, have

20:45

you found the LinkedIn? Like We've had the

20:47

Facebook. We've found the Facebook. You've you've he

20:49

grew up to be, like,

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who we thought he would be aside from

20:54

the multiple felonies? Like, I can't

20:56

guarantee you guys. You can't even have better

20:58

than you could expect. He's just like a racist.

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He's just like a regular old racist white

21:02

man. It's like, oh, my god.

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Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It

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was a lot. It was a lot. Yeah. The administration

21:10

was not. They were

21:11

like, well, why were you looking at his property? He's

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an artist. What

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was dating like at this boarding

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school? Like a lot of people,

21:20

your formative dating years happen usually

21:22

during high school, how Okay.

21:25

If you 2 hear the rest of the episode,

21:27

including when Sheria is

21:29

trying to sell herself as a

21:31

third for me and Cecilia.

21:34

You can go to the show

21:36

notes, click the link on where

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Or Apple Podcasts, or you could just search

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