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Hi, it's Rerelease here again

0:03

with a few updates that

0:05

I thought maybe you would be interested in

0:08

Now I know some of you keep

0:11

asking is Dyking out coming

0:13

back. I have said previously

0:15

that it is probably

0:18

most likely not coming back

0:20

at least not as

0:22

a weekly podcast, but also

0:25

never say never and that's why I want

0:27

you to keep subscribed to this

0:29

feed because we could

0:31

always have special episodes Melody

0:33

and I are still talking and

0:36

hanging out and whatnot. It was just

0:38

we needed time to explore

0:41

other projects speaking

0:43

of other projects. I

0:46

have my new podcast, loves

0:48

a pitch, and hopefully,

0:51

that will be being released next

0:54

week. How exciting I

0:57

can't wait. I've already done a bunch

0:59

of interviews for it. So what's left

1:01

a pitch. As a podcast, it's

1:04

going to be a different guest

1:06

each week. And for the most part, it's going

1:08

to be somebody who comes

1:10

on and they have one to two minutes

1:12

to say why they're a catch, and

1:15

whatever that means to them, whatever kind

1:17

of connection that they're looking for. And

1:19

then I ask some follow-up questions about the things

1:22

that they share. And then we just have a

1:24

talk about their dating

1:27

life, what they're looking for, their wants,

1:29

their needs, conversations about

1:32

love and dating in the queer community in

1:34

general. I think it's been

1:36

really interesting. I'm having a great

1:38

time having this conversations, and I

1:40

really hope that you will

1:42

enjoy listening to them. So

1:45

keep an eye out for that speaking

1:48

of loves a pitch. If you're

1:50

listening to this and it is

1:53

before February

1:55

ninth, I have a live, loves

1:57

a pitch show, eight PM,

2:00

Thursday, February ninth at

2:02

come on everybody in Brooklyn.

2:05

Be there. Tickets are still

2:07

on sale. It's truly

2:10

the most fun thing I do. I say that

2:12

over and over, but every show.

2:14

I have an absolute blast. The

2:16

audience has fun. Our judges

2:18

have fun. The contestants have fun.

2:22

Everybody hangs out afterwards. It's a great

2:24

way to make friends, to meet people, maybe

2:26

make out with someone new. You never

2:29

know, there is to be a Burlesque

2:32

performance. Actually, by

2:34

one of the future

2:37

guests on the Loves a pitch podcast,

2:39

So that's a fun thing. Come

2:42

out to it, please. It's so

2:45

so much fun. I love it so

2:47

much that It's my inspiration for

2:50

this new thing that I'm doing.

2:52

And one of the prizes that we're gonna

2:55

be giving away at the show our

2:57

tickets to a Solo

2:59

show that for those of you in

3:01

New York, I want to tell you about and

3:04

if you're not New York, you can see

3:06

some clips of Sam he's been

3:08

doing late night.

3:10

He was on Seth Myers doing

3:12

some standup But Sam Morrison

3:14

is a comedian. A gay comedian.

3:17

He has a show that's at the SoHo

3:19

Play House right now called

3:22

sugar daddy, and I

3:24

was able to see it. And I was

3:26

so glad I did. It is so

3:29

funny. It's also heartbreaking, but

3:31

it's so funny. I was laughing

3:33

the whole time. I told

3:35

Sam after that, you know, the last

3:38

two shows that I saw at SoHo Play House

3:40

were Hannah Gatsby's nanette,

3:43

and fleece bag both

3:46

were outstanding and I'm

3:48

like, oh, Sam has lot to measure up to.

3:51

I might say I

3:53

think I enjoyed Sugar Daddy

3:55

more than those two, and I love those

3:57

two shows. But this

3:59

is just so

4:01

good in so many ways. You

4:04

know, I'd watched Sam work

4:06

out some of the material

4:08

for this at open mics and it

4:10

shows. And I also kind of followed

4:13

the the journey he was on that he talks

4:15

about during the show on Instagram

4:18

through the kind of

4:20

height of the pandemic. I

4:22

just I can't say enough good things about it. So

4:24

if you're in New York, if you get a chance, definitely

4:27

check out sugar daddy.

4:29

Also, a reminder that if you

4:31

are missing diking

4:34

out and I miss it too, I really

4:36

do You can

4:38

hear extra episodes that we've recorded.

4:41

Our diking off topic episodes are

4:43

alive and well. I mean,

4:46

they're not new, but there

4:48

are lot of them there. If you've never

4:50

been a patron before, maybe you

4:52

were a patron in the past and you

4:54

haven't had a chance to listen to them, Even

4:57

before we are doing the Dyking off topics,

4:59

which are just really me and Melody

5:01

talking about our personal

5:03

lives, and what's going on and things

5:06

in the media, what we're watching,

5:08

all of that stuff. Before

5:10

that, we used to do like x kinda

5:13

lightning round q and a's with

5:16

past guests. Those are all up there

5:18

on Patreon as well. So you can go to

5:20

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5:22

diking out and still get

5:24

that content. I

5:27

hope all of you have been doing well

5:29

I really miss staking out

5:31

with you all each week. I

5:33

hope you're all doing the

5:35

gayest things every single

5:38

week. I mean, my weeks

5:40

have only gotten gay or because Cecilia

5:42

and I got a dog.

5:44

His name is professor. He's

5:47

so stinking cute, but we

5:49

are definitely super

5:51

like, he is definitely the

5:54

dog of a lesbian couple,

5:57

just a true feminist, through

6:00

and through other

6:04

than that, I mean, it's

6:06

been really gay trying to get this other podcast

6:09

up off the ground, but maybe

6:11

Maybe the gayest thing I've been up

6:13

to while diking

6:16

out has been putting out reruns is

6:18

I started curling curling.

6:23

When I tell people that they're like like

6:25

the hair, I'm like, no. I'm not

6:28

curling my hair. I mean, I do curl my hair sometimes,

6:30

but no. The Olympic sport

6:33

curling. Doesn't that just

6:35

feel so gay? Yeah. I have

6:37

yet to meet another lesbian.

6:39

I mean, maybe they are. We're not we're not talking

6:41

about that stuff on the ice. We're all kind of

6:43

dressed for the

6:45

occasion. But yeah, I

6:47

started taking curling lessons. I'm having

6:49

a lot of fun with that and really leaning

6:53

in or lunging in curling

6:55

if you've watched it, it's a lot of lunching. And

6:58

that's that's my life in a nutshell.

7:01

I don't know. A lot's going on actually.

7:03

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7:05

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7:08

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relate to the world through my

11:51

nipples in a way that I thought.

11:53

Was there really long. And I

11:55

I'm always, like, you know when you're, like, really nervous in your

11:57

nip butt feeling your nipples or, like to me,

11:59

like, everything gets filtered through my nipples. And

12:01

I just thought that's how everybody like

12:03

perceive the world. Let's

12:09

dive out together. See

12:11

what it's all about.

12:24

Hi, and welcome to Dyking Out of Podcast.

12:26

That's the tip. I'm Rerelease Berge,

12:29

a non melody kamali, and today we are

12:31

diking out with writer and actor Michelle Badillo

12:34

about breasts. Michelle

12:36

has written for and acted in some of

12:38

our favorite shows, and we had so much

12:40

fun talking to her. So hang around

12:42

for that. Wow, Melody.

12:44

This is our last recording of

12:47

twenty twenty, our favorite year. We

12:49

did it somehow survive.

12:51

Until the end. I survived honestly

12:54

because of diking

12:54

out. I don't

12:55

know about it. Yes. Something had me

12:57

accountable to get out of bed

12:59

and do something thing. At least once

13:01

a

13:01

week. Yeah. Do you ever wonder what your year would have

13:03

looked like without diking out?

13:05

Oh, Ali and I went on a walk yesterday and actually

13:08

just gusted and we decided it would have been

13:10

very bleak. Well,

13:13

I am so glad for that and I'm

13:15

glad that the podcast did

13:17

survive this year. It's it's been quite

13:19

a year, you know. It started out in

13:21

twenty twenty without a co host. And

13:25

one of the things I'm most thankful for Melody

13:28

is becoming friends with you and having you as the

13:30

host for Dyking

13:31

out. It's been a game changer this year.

13:33

Wouldn't you know it. That is exactly

13:35

what I'm most thankful for myself.

13:38

I'm not kidding. Every morning, I have

13:40

a little gratitude list and diking out

13:42

is like, top three every

13:45

day. Yes. Thank you so much.

13:47

Yeah. I'm grateful for our listeners

13:49

each and every day. Like, every time we get a message

13:52

from them or somebody saying that they're a

13:54

new listener or they've been listening from the

13:55

beginning. I'm just like, thank

13:57

the goddess for these find find

14:00

people --

14:01

Praise her.

14:02

-- giving us life in this

14:04

year twenty twenty because it hasn't

14:06

been easy. No. God

14:09

knows. I joined

14:11

the podcast and wouldn't you know it? A

14:13

global pandemic a few weeks later.

14:15

Yep. I know we mention it a lot,

14:17

but I just really wanna

14:20

emphasize the fact that I

14:23

joined And we had maybe one

14:25

or two recordings in person --

14:27

Yeah. -- before moving remote. Yeah.

14:29

And I think we've done a pretty good job for

14:31

two people forging a friendship and cohost's

14:34

ship Dyking COVID. While

14:36

one of us had COVID, while

14:38

while the other one lost their job,

14:41

and had a record low mental

14:43

healthier. Yeah. Just the the

14:45

odds were stacked against us, I would say,

14:47

and we did it. So I'm gonna

14:49

count twenty twenty

14:51

as a success. Mhmm.

14:54

Weirdly yes. Yeah. I agree. Yeah.

14:56

This year reflecting on it, I was just

14:58

Dyking, like, It's been a a terrible

15:01

year for so many things. It's been

15:03

a good year for some things.

15:05

You know, we can't forget all of the

15:08

work that's been done in terms of

15:10

social justice and, like, all the causes

15:13

and all the organization

15:16

that has happening in the place that

15:18

got money though. It does

15:20

feel like it's gotten a little bit lost

15:22

-- Yeah. -- with just all the multiple

15:25

shit shows happening, but I

15:27

would still say maybe

15:30

a net positive for for the

15:32

year. That was a really hard one,

15:34

but it yeah. Feeling like there

15:36

was such a push and and definitely

15:38

feeling a change in the way that that

15:41

these stories are covered and the attention

15:43

that they get And then on top of that, it was

15:45

just a really gay year. Like, I was thinking

15:47

of all the gay things. I've watched all

15:49

the media that's come out. All

15:52

the people who have All the people who have come

15:54

out. Yeah. It's it's

15:57

nuts. It's like, blind man.

15:59

We have blind manner and water to the lady

16:01

on fire and sister Ronan sitting

16:03

on Cape Winslet's face all

16:05

in the same

16:06

year, that's

16:08

true. We got more

16:10

Sarah Paulson content than we could ask

16:12

for. Yes, Sarah Paulson. It was just like

16:14

an exponential rise in Sarah

16:16

Paulson content. Most people

16:19

haven't caught up with all of Sarah

16:21

Paulson's happenings this year.

16:23

We've got so much great queer media.

16:25

We've got enough bad queer media for

16:27

us to rip apart on the podcast.

16:29

We know the YouHollers love it

16:31

when we rip beloved We're having queer

16:33

media to shreds. You

16:35

know, we ripped up so much

16:37

queer media this last year, but

16:39

nothing will ever receive the backlash

16:41

we got from just one

16:44

lukewarm take on Taylor

16:45

Swift, and

16:46

that's your culture. The

16:49

emails we got, that's so true that

16:51

from from that episode of it was just

16:53

Dyking, like, you know what? I think she's fine. I respect

16:55

her. It's just not for me. The scathing emails.

16:58

Was it and that was just me though, Melody?

17:00

You were, like, I really like this new

17:02

album. I was like, you know, I'm so happy

17:04

for everybody, not for me, but good

17:06

for everybody else and somebody was like, why

17:08

would you even bother saying

17:09

that? If you don't have anything nice, why

17:12

would you spend the time? You guys are monsters

17:14

and everything that's wrong with the community. And

17:16

just so you know, I'm not thin skinned.

17:18

Okay? I live in New York.

17:21

I was born in bread in New York. And boy,

17:23

oh boy, did I look up that person who was

17:25

from upstate who now lives in Portland,

17:28

Oregon. Just

17:31

know if you send a crazy email and

17:33

it's like your name at gmail,

17:36

Sometimes I got I'm gonna look it up to

17:38

figure out how upset I should be. That's all.

17:43

Yeah. Oh, twenty twenty. So many

17:45

interesting listener emails. I

17:49

would say Half of the most memorable

17:51

emails we got this year were about

17:53

Taylor Swift. One was from an old

17:56

joke that I made about Taylor Swift

17:59

that really was just a repurposing of

18:01

one of my stage jokes. Old

18:03

joke. Retrofitted to make a Taylor

18:05

Swift joke. It really had nothing to do with

18:07

Taylor Swift and somebody was

18:09

like, maybe I don't get the sense of humor.

18:12

Maybe I miss something because I'm a new listener.

18:15

But why would you say something like this?

18:17

I'm like, don't work. Horrible. Horrible

18:20

person. It was one hundred percent a joke.

18:25

With that, Taylor Swift did have a new album

18:27

because I'm

18:29

not saying oh, yeah. We're not talking about

18:31

it. Not sorry. I'm not talking about because I haven't

18:33

to it yet, but will get around to it because I love Taylor

18:35

Swift so much and she's the best and everything she does

18:37

is wonderful. So Yeah. What

18:42

else? The lesbian bar project

18:45

happened this year and I just saw

18:47

that it got a nice write up in AutoStraddle,

18:49

and I say it's a nice write up because it did mention

18:51

Dyking out. So nice. Yeah.

18:54

I was happy to see that we were mentioned in

18:56

that article because I always feel like

18:58

there's some type of weird

19:00

ban on diking

19:02

out from Auto Straddle. I

19:05

think we got on their naughty

19:06

list. I think it might have had something

19:08

to do with

19:09

this another one of your jokes from before my

19:11

time, Rerelease? Yeah. No. It wasn't even

19:14

a joke. I think it was, like, maybe

19:16

a personal thing that had to do with a

19:18

bad relationship that transpired between

19:20

people on the podcast. Oh, no.

19:22

Like drama, who may have had a connection

19:24

to Auto straddle because since then,

19:27

I've been reaching out to writers from AutoStraddle.

19:30

I think they're great. We're big fans of AutoStraddle

19:33

here. And

19:35

none of them want to be on the

19:37

podcast or

19:38

responder. We can ever make it happen. I'm

19:40

like, I think we're on the bad list. Uh-oh.

19:44

Someone prove or throng. Proof of truth. That's all

19:46

I'm asking. If if you are an

19:49

employee of AutoStraddle, please

19:51

just like calm my paranoia about this.

19:53

Because I'm so sad and thinking that

19:56

Autostrade's Dyking out and we

19:58

just want to be friends. But anyway, the lesbian

20:00

bar project tap in. That was pretty wig

20:02

and gay. Huge.

20:05

We had some virtual shows and we're

20:07

able to have shows

20:09

where we had a a wider audience. That

20:12

was great. I mean, our audience or you

20:14

haulers have grown our patreon

20:17

community has grown and

20:20

the queer community itself has grown

20:22

who came out this Neezy Nash was a

20:24

huge coming out. Oh, yeah.

20:26

Debrat, Sarah Ramirez and

20:28

Elliot Page both came out as well,

20:32

Sarah Ramirez came out as non binary. Elliot

20:35

Page came out as trans. Dominique

20:38

provost, I ain't gonna get

20:40

roasted for not knowing how to say her name.

20:43

Chocolatey. Dominique provos chocolatey.

20:45

I just know they call her Dom. Dom

20:48

is in a winona herb, came

20:50

out. That was a big big news for

20:52

the Erppers. Alright? I know, Melody,

20:54

you haven't been to collect the colony yet because that was

20:56

canceled, because of COVID, but

20:59

had you gone, he would know what

21:01

a big effing deal Dom is

21:03

just beloved. Okay.

21:06

By queer,

21:09

media nerds who love one

21:11

on her hip. And

21:13

she's out. She's out as queer.

21:15

So

21:17

You know who else came out? Who? In the

21:19

most Gen Z way. Claudia

21:22

Conway. Yes. Oh my gosh. This podcast

21:24

stands Claudia Conway.

21:27

We stand. We Simp all you know, all that

21:30

stuff. We love. Just

21:33

came out to a bisexual

21:36

coded song clip

21:39

on TikTok recently, like last

21:41

week. We had Abby Jacobson make

21:44

a Dyking out day post about how she's,

21:47

you know, still figuring things out on

21:49

her journey. That was like a big first

21:51

overt kind of --

21:52

Yeah. -- statement from her. Right? Taylor's showing

21:55

for the first time even though she'd

21:57

been dating women for a

21:59

few years, but officially -- Mhmm. -- came

22:02

out this year. That was a big one. Jamila

22:04

Jamila. You

22:06

know, I didn't know whether to include that one

22:08

or not. I was looking at these list

22:10

of people who came out and they still have Rosario

22:12

Dawson on there even though she's

22:14

like, I didn't really come out. I've

22:16

never had a a queer relationship.

22:20

Yeah. I saw that. It was just because she said in

22:22

an article, my fellow at LGBTQIA, and

22:24

then people were like, oh, Ricero

22:27

Dawson came out, which I thought made sense

22:29

because I thought that she was Corey Booker's

22:31

beard, and I thought it was a mutual bearding

22:33

situation. No. Yep. And

22:36

And then she followed up and was, like, explicitly, like,

22:39

no. That's not that's not what

22:41

I did. I've never had a clear relationship

22:43

and people are, like, She still came out

22:45

this year. What

22:47

a year? I know. I was trying to think, like,

22:50

who were some of my favorite guests? There have been

22:52

so many great guests this past year,

22:54

but automatically my mind goes back

22:56

to Desirae Akvaan

22:58

just in terms of that Dyking been one of

23:00

the the

23:03

reach guests for this podcast and

23:05

also

23:06

having it be one of the weirder

23:10

interviews we've had just because

23:12

that was like

23:14

that was peak weird, and it was

23:16

it was a couple days before is

23:18

peak COVID culture. Yeah.

23:20

Because that was right,

23:23

you know, May, end of May,

23:26

It

23:26

was, like, the and then Dave's, like, for George Floyd.

23:29

Like, the deck where we're just, like,

23:31

I don't know what I'm Dyking,

23:33

like, nothing I don't know what to

23:35

think about. And then just, like, the next

23:37

day, I saw Desiree out at

23:40

a protest or a

23:40

neighborhood. Yeah. Like,

23:42

is, yeah, crazy time.

23:44

Crazy time for a

23:45

crazy interview. But so many great guests

23:47

and especially this one today has been

23:50

somebody who I wanted talked to for a while,

23:52

which I'm sure you'll be able to tell, because

23:54

I'm geeking out in

23:56

the entire interview, but

23:59

we will get to that in a few

24:01

minutes. Let's talk about

24:04

quickly some things that are going on

24:06

in the queer world because it

24:08

You

24:08

know, like the rest of this year, it's been

24:10

a banner week. Jen Richards got married.

24:13

The cast guess of podcast Dyking of

24:15

dream guests from this year. Oh.

24:18

And speaking of an aptly

24:20

timed

24:20

interview, we interviewed Jen Richards

24:23

like what the day or two after after

24:25

she

24:25

got engaged. Yes. And in

24:27

through lesbian fashion. She

24:30

got married almost just as quick because

24:32

she got

24:32

engaged. Quick

24:33

through lesbian fashion because wasn't it

24:35

her first leg? Real lesbian relationship.

24:38

A short first lesbian relationship. They

24:40

got engaged a year

24:42

in and then

24:44

married you know, less than six

24:46

months after that. And that really

24:48

reflects the timeline of me and Cecilia. So

24:53

It was great. Love to see it. Love

24:55

to see it. And what

24:58

else happened? Oh, Rosie

25:00

O'Donnell is on TikTok.

25:03

That, you know, I was actually just scrolling

25:06

through Rosies TikTok this morning -- Yeah.

25:08

-- not even knowing you wanted to talk about

25:10

it, but I should have known you'd wanna talk about

25:12

it. Because when do you not wanna talk about

25:14

Rosie on TikTok? I mean, yes.

25:16

I've only seen a couple of posts because she

25:18

used to be on her daughter's TikToks.

25:21

So would see her

25:23

making kind of like a a guest appearance in

25:25

her daughter's dance

25:26

TikToks. And then now Rosie

25:28

has fully embraced TikTok and

25:31

oh, yeah. Fully. I think I saw a sponsored

25:33

post this morning. Oh, wow.

25:35

And it's not even you don't see a product. It's like,

25:37

I just wanted to know you to know that so

25:39

and so is the future of banking. Tic Ticke, you

25:42

don't step. Does

25:45

that at the beginning or end of

25:47

every TikTok? I love it. TikTok.

25:49

You don't stop? What's up? So Rosie

25:54

made someone's day, like, yesterday,

25:57

I think. There's a queer potter who's

25:59

just, like, maybe this will get a follow from

26:01

Rosie. In her own

26:04

pottery video. Her, like, throwing a

26:07

bowl or something. And

26:09

then Rosie do edit the video.

26:11

Yes. And it's her

26:14

just waving at the girl.

26:18

And I was that made me think, like, maybe

26:20

ROCE isn't too far away. Rosie's clearly

26:23

given the people that they want engaging with the

26:25

fans. I'm like, what do we have to do? Or what

26:27

do we have to do less of? Because Rerelease, you're

26:30

Gary, I think I did no. I think I

26:32

did too much, and I might be doing

26:34

too much again because we got so close.

26:36

And as my

26:39

my birthday request to all

26:41

of you haulers is ask

26:44

Rosie on TikTok,

26:47

on Twitter, on Instagram,

26:49

because she's doing Instagram live again now.

26:52

If you're on her Instagram live to say,

26:54

ROCE, when are you doing diking out? When are you

26:56

gonna be a guest on diking out? Just ask casually

26:58

like that. Be like, oh, I love this podcast. You'd

27:01

be so great on it. Can't wait to hear

27:03

you on diking out.

27:05

Get it back in her mind. Get her to reach

27:07

out to her assistant and tell her assistant.

27:10

I'm

27:10

blaming the assistant. I don't think it's Rosie. I

27:12

think Rosie wants to die out. She's in very game

27:14

about it. You just have to catch her at the right

27:16

time. So reminders, put them

27:18

out there. Feel free to do the same for

27:20

me, a Kirchner. Oh,

27:23

definitely. Yeah. Do that for well, let's

27:25

do one at a time. What? What?

27:28

If the circles overlapped, I would say one

27:31

at a time, but but Rosie and Mia

27:33

Kirschner are living in two different worlds, so it's

27:35

okay to to hit him up. Okay.

27:38

I just thought, you know, mob

27:39

mentality, I really want everyone to focus.

27:42

Yeah. Do you not think I could handle back

27:44

to back a rosy interview and

27:47

amia Kirschner

27:47

interview? One of your no.

27:50

We need one of your obsessions per quarter.

27:52

Yeah. We're

27:54

eating real business savvy here.

27:55

Mhmm. Two Capricorns. Wouldn't

27:57

you know with birthdays coming up? We're gonna

27:59

set quarterly goals for Dyking out.

28:01

One, Dyking per

28:04

quarter. Hell

28:07

yeah. We

28:09

should dream bigger for twenty twenty one. Yeah.

28:11

Bigger than just one deck on recorder. I

28:13

think we can We're just a humble podcast

28:16

here. Well, we did have one dick on on the

28:18

Pod recently. Jamie

28:19

Babbot. I remember Jamie Babbot talking about

28:21

being excited for wonder woman.

28:23

Yes. Did you see that? I watched

28:25

it. Did you? Not yet. Okay.

28:27

Because I had to binge all of

28:29

the wilds because of one listener. PM?

28:31

Well, let me quickly before we get into

28:33

the wilds because I don't wanna say much about

28:35

wonder woman. I did watch it. And

28:39

it starts off kind

28:41

of like the other one with a lot of gay vibes

28:43

because you're in the world

28:47

where she grows up and it's just all

28:49

like super strong women

28:52

being like super athletic. And,

28:54

you know, like, this is great. This is awesome.

28:56

This is so cool. Then you

28:59

go into her in nineteen

29:02

eighty four, which

29:04

my mom kept asking, what

29:06

year is this supposed to be? I'm like, it's

29:08

called Wonder Woman nineteen eighty four.

29:11

Yeah. Wonder Woman eighty four. Lady.

29:15

And then there's a lot of

29:17

flirting between Kristen

29:20

Wigg and

29:22

wonder woman. So Chris and Wade has this character

29:24

in it. And you're like, oh

29:26

my gosh. They're they're kind of flirting.

29:28

They're kind of in love with each other. It

29:32

plays like, if you're queer and you're watching

29:34

it, you're definitely having a whole other experience

29:36

of what this interaction is. And

29:38

then straight women are having the interaction

29:41

of like, oh, yeah. It's like when

29:43

you meet a girl that's really cool

29:45

and you wanna be her, And

29:47

it's like, oh, it's when you meet a woman who's really

29:49

cool and you wanna fuck her. And

29:53

that's a different and and then it like, then everything

29:56

goes to shit. So, you know,

29:58

if you wanna enjoy wonder woman, I would

30:00

say, watch the first half hour or so,

30:03

and then stop it. Now let's

30:05

tell me all about the wilds. Okay.

30:09

The wilds, I knew nothing going into

30:11

it. We got a DM on Instagram that was just

30:13

like Are you guys watching the wilds?

30:15

Like, that was it? Yeah. So when it

30:17

came up on my Fire TV,

30:20

like, home screen or whatever, I was

30:22

like, oh, something gay. I didn't

30:24

know. I I had no idea

30:26

how gay, who was gay. So I put

30:28

on the show about eight or nine girls stranded

30:31

on an island. And I have to just

30:33

guess who's gonna end up together.

30:36

It's all female. It's

30:38

basically about this. It's

30:41

kind of like a dystopian survivor

30:44

meets like the breakfast club like a bunch

30:46

of like different characters.

30:49

You have your, like, rich girl,

30:51

jock, your moody, lesbian,

30:54

what they did lean into that trope

30:56

with a very angry lesbian. I love

30:58

and actually found out who she was. And

31:02

the character is an indigenous Lesbian.

31:04

So that's cool representation too.

31:07

Love it. I was, like, really studying

31:09

every interaction for the first few episodes

31:12

before it got to, like, who was actually

31:14

the lesbian pairing in the show.

31:17

So I couldn't stop watching it. So, like,

31:19

we thought, oh, let's just watch it and see what this is all

31:21

about, you know, clear content, but it just

31:23

turned into Christmas day into

31:26

last night. It was just all we binged

31:29

all of it. Yeah. And I

31:31

actually did, like, the lesbian character. At first,

31:33

I really did not because she was so

31:35

angry. And I was like, here we go again.

31:38

This is a disservice to the community.

31:41

She's just so combative, but it's

31:43

her turns out she's angry about literally

31:45

everything but her sexuality. So that's

31:47

good. She's like a very cool, confident

31:49

lesbian. Like, she's like,

31:52

nothing like, no internalized

31:54

homophobia detected. Like, nothing

31:56

about that. Like, obviously, she's angry about her

31:59

situation. She stranded on an island. So

32:01

I forgave that and really

32:03

ended up enjoying the lesbian

32:05

arc in the show. Yeah. I mean,

32:08

I think this is controversial, but I

32:10

do love an angry lesbian character.

32:13

As long as there's, like, more to

32:15

them. Taylor's oldest time. Right.

32:18

It feels so comforting to know that they're Today

32:20

was. I was like, oh, a tank top, no

32:22

bra. For Roadshow.

32:25

I get

32:26

it. I love it. I

32:28

am going to have to watch that --

32:30

Yeah. -- mean, all had say was that

32:32

it was all women on an

32:33

island. I'm I'm in.

32:36

That sense It takes place. There's like three

32:38

times. They work with they play with time a lot,

32:40

and it's it's like the before the during and

32:43

the after their time on this island. So

32:45

these girls are stranded on an island

32:47

after a plane crash, but what you know

32:49

No spoilers, really, is that

32:52

this wasn't an accident -- Mhmm. -- the fact

32:54

that they're all there.

32:55

Alright. And you know the the person

32:57

behind it

32:58

is a lesbian. It's a morning

33:00

lesbian. Yeah. Who just wanted

33:02

to watch all these girls on her bugged

33:04

island. But really, it is

33:06

the most lesbian term she uses

33:08

for it. She calls this

33:11

experiment a Gynatopia

33:14

which is now my favorite word. A

33:17

ginotopia, and that it was.

33:19

But one really cool part of the

33:21

show, was the soundtrack.

33:24

Like, it was really good music and a lot of my

33:26

favorites were on it. And whatever

33:28

I didn't know that I really liked, I would show Sam,

33:30

and there was one song I was really feeling

33:32

Shazamda and wouldn't you know it? It was

33:35

by softy softy

33:37

pop star who in a real

33:39

full circle moment was

33:41

around this time last year performing at

33:44

your, like, the halls show -- Yes. -- which

33:46

I showed up to last minute,

33:48

you offered me a comp. Yeah. And I really

33:50

enjoyed the show and I remember me, like, diking out

33:52

so cool. Not knowing

33:54

what the next year had in store for

33:56

me, but really liking softies performance

33:58

Yeah. Softie answer baby girls.

34:01

So that was cool. That's awesome.

34:03

I love a good softie bop.

34:06

And I love a an island full of

34:08

women. Yeah. That sounds pretty gay, Melody.

34:10

Was that the gayest thing you did this

34:12

week? Was watched the wilds? Mhmm.

34:15

At first, yes, I thought so. Very

34:17

gay to binge that gay

34:19

show with my gay girlfriend. But I

34:22

found something gay or on the Christmas

34:25

Zoom we had with Ali's family.

34:27

Ali and I held hands the entire

34:29

time, so I'm gonna call it that the

34:31

gayest thing that we have because Christmas,

34:34

hella gay. Holding hands with girlfriend

34:35

gay. But I am still,

34:38

like, trying to figure out how to interact with

34:40

Ali's family after having to be kinda

34:42

closeted for the first couple

34:43

years -- Yes. -- around them. The Badillo all knew,

34:45

but it was like the children couldn't.

34:47

And then with Christmas, it's like, you're

34:49

basically in the closet because the children it's

34:52

every things so, like, amesh. So

34:55

last year, I got drunk at

34:57

Ally's family Christmas on

34:59

Christmas Eve. Ally's cousin made me

35:01

a very strong drink and I

35:04

got drunk immediately. I

35:06

started following Ali around

35:08

her aunt's house demanding that

35:11

she make out with me. Quote unquote

35:13

in front of your family. Like, that was

35:15

the request. Like, I followed her around.

35:17

I was very handsy in front of everyone.

35:19

And which is like, I think I want to be in front of

35:22

your family, Just do it. Just do

35:24

it. Like and

35:27

Ali's just the most stressed she ever

35:29

is on Christmas Eve. There's a

35:31

lot she has to do she, like, is the glue

35:34

of the family and making sure everyone's,

35:36

like, good and ready and So

35:38

she was like, it was very stressful for her, but

35:40

we still look back on it and left. So there

35:42

we had a nice family zoom where no one

35:45

could see how affectionate I was being

35:47

we held hands the whole time just below

35:49

the laptop. And I was like, you know what?

35:51

This is nice. Get

35:53

prude. We get to be as gay as

35:55

possible. They

35:56

can't they can't see what's going

35:58

on. But -- Yeah. --

36:00

boobs down. And all you did was hold

36:02

hands. Yes. Cecilia

36:04

and I were finger blasting each other on the

36:06

family zoom. Are you kidding? No.

36:08

We didn't we we napped through

36:10

the family zoom.

36:12

I I picked two naps on Christmas,

36:14

and I slept through the family zoom. So okay.

36:18

Well, I'll tell you

36:18

what, Allie and I did eventually

36:21

put our fingers at each other. We did not leave

36:23

the couch for, like, three days. And

36:26

a couple days before Christmas we were doing just

36:28

that and I was knuckles deep

36:30

in alley. Right. Our

36:32

doorbell rang and it was

36:34

our Mexican food and it was just

36:37

like, we like, I slipped

36:39

my fingers out. She went and

36:41

grabbed the food, and then we just

36:44

ate our fajitas. Like

36:47

like, nothing happened and

36:49

we're like, what happened to us? Should

36:52

have ordered tacos for the joke, Melody.

36:54

I know. Right? Had

36:57

we opened tacos? Our fingers

36:59

would have been serving us not forks

37:02

and knives. And the smell would have been

37:04

closer to our faces, and we would have been like, what are we

37:06

doing? We gotta get back to where we started. You're

37:09

right. We should have had tacos. No.

37:12

But we've really just been, like, lazily fingering

37:14

on the couch. I don't know about you. I don't know if it's the

37:17

does the season? Fairly lazy

37:19

couch sex. Yeah. Lazydaysfingering. All

37:21

we're doing is watching TV, and this is just

37:23

one last gay thing. We have

37:26

benched Dawson's Creek

37:29

so hard. And it's because Netflix

37:31

has this shuffle option where

37:33

it's like just play something because we couldn't decide

37:36

and it played the pilot of Dawson's

37:38

Creek. Now I was obsessed as

37:40

a kid and it we found out Allie was obsessed

37:42

too. We were both in love with Joey. Yeah.

37:45

So in love with Joey. We just, like,

37:47

we're, like, realizing that, like, we just can't stop

37:49

watching because we're, like, oh my god, when she

37:51

sings gayness. Oh my god.

37:53

That was it for me. Oh my like,

37:55

just having all these realizations of how, like,

37:58

Joey was huge. For us. Yeah. And

38:00

now we can't stop

38:00

watching.

38:01

It didn't help that Dawson was

38:03

so annoying. Right. I

38:05

don't understand how anyone liked him.

38:08

Yeah. Well, I I liked Casey

38:10

in my fandom. I

38:13

was in love with Casey eventually. Yeah.

38:16

Katie always.

38:17

Yeah. I remember I wanted to

38:19

be I wanted to be a director

38:22

when I was younger, when I was in high school. Like,

38:24

I was looking at film schools for college. And

38:26

honestly, Dawson Leary and

38:28

Dawson's Creek, like, made me second guess

38:31

that I was like, oh, yeah.

38:33

I don't wanna be annoying like

38:35

that. I don't wanna be so obnoxious

38:37

and pretentious. Forget it. Most

38:40

pretentious show ever written

38:42

by, like, New Yorker writers,

38:44

like, fifty year old in New York intellectuals

38:47

or whatever. Right. Right. Teenagers don't talk. But, like,

38:49

Dawson, s someone who didn't

38:51

have that dream done, but did eventually go to,

38:53

like, film school. I'm just

38:54

like,

38:55

oh, like, everyone you hate at film school.

38:57

Yeah, but worse because it's not even

39:00

like it's like Steven Spielberg, which

39:02

is great, but it's like, like,

39:05

he spends a whole first season obsessing

39:07

over, like, just the art

39:09

of ET. Yeah. And it's like, yeah.

39:12

Like, you know, at least some, like, Gus

39:14

Van Sant, like, something

39:16

Yeah. -- for a young filmmaker -- Yeah.

39:18

-- to obsess over. I don't know. Right.

39:20

Right. Dawson's so fucking

39:22

annoying. Yeah.

39:25

What about you?

39:27

For me, it honestly simply

39:30

was buying Ellen DeGeneres

39:33

lighting. Ellen DeGeneres

39:35

has a home collection,

39:37

stage length. Yeah. No.

39:40

Because out of a spotlight on the

39:42

selfish fuck. Ella

39:45

DeGeneres famously is so rich

39:47

that her hobby is flipping mansions.

39:50

So -- Right. She has developed

39:52

AAA line of,

39:54

I guess, like, home decor stuff. I

39:56

don't know the extent of it. All I know is

39:58

that Cecilia and I have kind of like divided

40:00

and conquered the items that

40:02

we need to buy for the house. One of

40:04

them is lighting because

40:07

this previous owner

40:09

was not a fan of having lights. It seems.

40:12

So

40:14

my kinda guy Yeah. Cecilia picked

40:17

out some lights and said, they're Ellen

40:19

DeGeneres brand. I was like, well, then we have

40:21

to get them. That's that's

40:24

a good idea. Yeah. In this house,

40:26

that used to be owned by lesbians, which

40:28

we still get male lesbians. We're

40:30

still getting stuff addressed to Anita and Dolores,

40:33

which is great. Alright. So

40:35

in summary, everything from twenty

40:37

twenty is very gay. And

40:40

-- Mhmm. -- if it wasn't gay, it

40:42

was a mixed bag of things. Let's

40:45

get into this interview because it was

40:48

so much

40:48

fun. We had such a great time.

40:50

I had too much fun. So today, we

40:52

are diking out with writer and actor, Michelle out

40:54

a deal about breasts, something

40:57

we know a thing or two about

40:59

get it? Melody, 20I

41:01

got it. That's why I said I had too much

41:04

Oh, man. How

41:08

did I miss that? Michelle Roper

41:10

shows, like, one day at time, the bold

41:12

type, and the upcoming league of their

41:14

own, and the great north. Plus,

41:17

she's appeared in the show, Vida, and had cameo

41:20

that was very near and dear to my heart on

41:22

one day at a time. Let's get into

41:24

it. Alright,

41:30

Michelle. Thank you so much for

41:32

being here today and diking out about breasts

41:34

with us.

41:35

Thank you for having me. Thank

41:37

you for the topic.

41:38

Bitch. Yeah.

41:40

I've been waiting for this. I know we

41:42

were just saying that we couldn't believe that we

41:44

haven't had a breast specific.

41:46

We've had top surgery, which is closed, but

41:49

not breast. So we're excited to get into that.

41:51

But before we do, we just have

41:53

to talk a little bit about you

41:55

in your career because you have

41:57

written on so many queer

41:59

projects. It's amazing. And

42:03

the Dyking that you've done has

42:06

had such an impact on so many people

42:09

and it's crazy. So, I

42:10

mean, First, I have

42:12

to bring up one day at a time,

42:15

you know.

42:15

Yeah. I make sure restaurants. Yeah.

42:17

I know. I know. I was so bummed

42:20

because I was so excited to hear that it was

42:22

coming back and it was such a back and

42:24

forth. What happened? It's

42:26

such a like it

42:28

was such a long goodbye in a way because

42:31

--

42:31

Right. -- so I wrote for the first three

42:33

seasons and every every year, even after

42:35

the first season, It didn't

42:37

matter that, like, we were getting these great reviews. Like,

42:39

there was always just this fear of

42:41

maybe we won't get us back. And it was always

42:43

like, we were, like, playing this game

42:45

of, like, tag with Netflix. And then, like,

42:47

at the last minute, they'd be like, you guys are picked up. And

42:49

so it was always kind of like, we don't know how long

42:51

we're gonna get to do this thing. Right. And

42:54

And then at the end of the third season, we

42:56

found out that we were officially canceled.

42:58

And then they were, like, oh, we're gonna try. Like, Sony

43:00

was very dedicated the idea of, like, getting

43:02

on and on and of the network. But I don't think

43:05

up to that point, like, plenty of things had gone

43:07

from network to streaming. It had

43:09

never gone the other way around. So we all

43:11

kind of were like, this is a very long shot

43:13

and most of the writers just

43:16

because we all need to keep working, had

43:18

gotten other jobs, including myself and my

43:21

writing partner at the time. And then,

43:23

like, right when we had gotten another job, we found out

43:25

it was getting picked up again. So we couldn't

43:27

actually write for the fourth season, which was very

43:29

sad. So I had to start my goodbye

43:31

then. But just as, like,

43:33

something that I think should exist, I wanted

43:35

it to stay on for as long as human beings possible.

43:39

And then it was so exciting for it to

43:41

get this new home. And then when it didn't

43:43

work out again, it just, like, it

43:46

so I kind of been saying my own goodbye to

43:48

it for a long time, but for what it means

43:50

to so many people and

43:52

what a dearth of of my next representation

43:55

there is on

43:55

TV. It's just like it's a real bummer.

43:58

Yeah. Yeah. I had

44:00

only first heard of the show when it

44:02

got canceled the first time.

44:04

And then that was the year that I went to

44:06

lexicon, and

44:09

the cast was there, and the producers

44:11

and they were talking about all the complications and

44:13

trying to find a new home because you couldn't

44:16

just have it go to another streaming

44:18

service. Because of noncompetes

44:20

and all the stuff like that. But -- Yeah. -- just

44:23

seeing how much love there was for the show.

44:25

So as soon as I got back from that, my wife and

44:27

I started watching and

44:29

she's not Cuban. She's Peruvian,

44:31

but she felt like she could

44:33

relate so hard to it and she said, you

44:36

know, had that a show like that

44:38

been around when she was younger. She

44:40

would have known so much sooner that she

44:42

was gay. She would have been so much

44:44

less scared about feeling like it

44:47

was a taboo thing that she couldn't talk about with her

44:49

family and all that kind of

44:50

stuff. And, I mean, I would openly

44:52

weep like very embarrassingly like openly,

44:55

like, uncontrollably weak when

44:57

we were shooting that first season because I

44:59

just couldn't believe it

45:01

was the same I was like, if I had had this,

45:03

there would have been and I feel like this is

45:05

true for a lot of queer women. Like, there just

45:07

were not examples, and I didn't really know

45:09

queer women in my life, and I just, like,

45:12

you guys know about that thing where you can, like, Google

45:14

will show you your searches for, like,

45:17

since

45:17

Oh, excuse me. No. I

45:19

don't. But Okay. People

45:21

don't

45:22

Somebody drop a bomb on it, but it's,

45:24

like, taken out. It's insane.

45:27

They literally since, like, two

45:29

thousand

45:30

five, like, if you've had any like,

45:32

they have

45:32

recorded your searches on Google

45:34

and you can look it up through your account, like, what

45:37

have I searched? So I was just, like,

45:39

going through when I discovered that. Obviously,

45:41

I was, like, obsessively, like, wanting

45:43

to enable gaze and know what I was thinking about.

45:46

And every minute, And I found this

45:48

day from when I was seventeen, which was, like, when

45:50

I was first kind of, like, understanding that I was

45:52

gay. And in the same night, I

45:55

googled how

45:57

to know if you're a lesbian and how to know if you're a psycho

45:59

male. Because

46:01

I just like and I was like, oh, that is so

46:04

scary and sad that I had so, like,

46:06

little understanding of what I was feeling, that

46:08

I was like, is me, like, not having, like,

46:10

feelings towards men, like, I'm supposed to

46:12

have mean that I'm, like, emotionally, like, dead

46:15

inside as opposed to just, like, you're gay,

46:17

it's fine. And I

46:19

was I would be, like, writing this show. Like, if I

46:21

had seen this when I was fifteen, I

46:23

didn't even have Googled my lesbian

46:25

or my

46:25

sister. Right.

46:27

Oh my gosh. That's so funny.

46:29

You said it goes back to two thousand five? Because

46:31

I'm probably gonna find searches

46:33

like that too. You

46:35

might be able to go back

46:37

that far. It's like, why is being a virgin

46:39

so easy? That's my

46:42

friend. Why

46:45

did I never wanna have sex? And

46:49

the the other thing that I have to mention

46:51

with that show is that you

46:54

have a cameo

46:55

in an episode where

46:57

you play a character called

47:00

Susan.

47:01

In the long line of lesbian, Susan? Yes.

47:04

Thank you. That was,

47:06

I think,

47:07

intentionally, if I can re if I'm

47:09

recalling that

47:09

right away,

47:10

we were, like, what she was saying that's okay. Oh,

47:12

my god. That was making my dream come true

47:14

because We used to call

47:16

our listeners until Melody

47:19

objected. We used to call our listeners

47:21

Susan's -- Yeah. -- because

47:24

thought that there was, like, the gayest name in, like, every

47:26

fictional character on TV. It's, like, it's a

47:28

lesbian. Alright? Let's just Rerelease name for

47:30

Susan. Yeah. Or

47:32

in, like, the puppy episode of Ellen.

47:35

Yeah. She's also Susan. So

47:37

I started an

47:40

account on Instagram called everyday

47:42

Susan. And I -- Yeah. --

47:44

tag me on it. So originally, I put it on.

47:46

And then somebody messaged me and they're like,

47:48

no. Susan's in the episode. I'm like, Susan's

47:50

in the episode. They're like, yeah. If you look quick

47:52

at the funeral scene, she

47:55

like, nods to Susan. I'm like, what?

47:57

So I rewatch. I'm like, oh my

47:59

god. Mine blown. And it's a writer

48:01

on the show, and I have to know.

48:04

The thing? Yes. We I remember they

48:07

were like, what should we name this person? And, like, the three

48:09

lesbian it lesbians in the room, we were all like

48:11

Susan. Like, it's gotta be

48:12

Susan. If it's a lesbian on a sitcom,

48:15

it's gotta be Susan. I

48:16

just can't believe there are three lesbians in a room.

48:19

Like, writer Oh,

48:21

That I know. No. It's insane.

48:24

Yeah. Such a good show. I never thought that,

48:28

like, in these times, I would be

48:30

watching one a multi cam sitcom

48:33

again, and then also one that makes

48:35

me both like laugh and cry every

48:37

episode. I would just be like, why am I

48:39

crying so much? But

48:43

it should be called a sick

48:44

cry. Sorry. Take that out.

48:46

Take that out. And

48:52

then you've also have

48:55

did Invita with

48:57

MacLindres, which is amazing. Yes.

49:00

Who is also we just learned

49:02

gonna be in a league of their

49:04

own, which you're writing for, which we just had

49:06

Jamie Babbot on the podcast.

49:09

And she mentioned that she directed what

49:11

a dream team

49:12

project. What can you tell us about that?

49:15

Insane. I

49:16

don't I'd probably not much, but it

49:18

is I don't think I can say much

49:20

yet, but I think we all can tell

49:22

at this point from the casting and directing

49:25

and the writing that it's gonna be pretty

49:27

clear. I think there's as a lot of

49:29

queer women can attest to, like, there are a lot of undertones

49:32

in the movie, but they didn't go there.

49:34

I think that's, like, because of the

49:36

time and also because there's with

49:39

the league itself as you see kind

49:41

of in the movie too. Like, there was a specific

49:43

emphasis on these women, like,

49:45

not being perceived as but or gay.

49:48

Which was, like, very much not the real

49:51

story. So we're getting into a little bit

49:53

more of, like, the queerness that was

49:55

happening there and the

49:58

cast is incredible, and I'm

50:00

so excited that to Roberta and

50:02

I never actually, like, we've met, but we

50:04

never were on Veeda at the same Okay.

50:06

I'm together, so I'm excited to be able to

50:09

work with her in this capacity. And, yeah,

50:13

it's I think it's gonna be I think

50:15

there's enough in there that will be, like,

50:17

remind you of the movie, but it it very much

50:20

takes its own. It's not so much reboot

50:22

of the movie as it is like a reinterpretation

50:25

of of the leak itself.

50:26

Yeah. A lot more diverse, a lot more gay.

50:29

Even though the leak itself though wasn't really

50:31

diverse. Right? Well,

50:33

so the way we're doing it is so

50:35

there were no black women

50:37

allowed -- Right. --

50:37

which is we're staying true to that in the

50:39

show, but we are following but

50:41

black women were able to play baseball and, like,

50:43

make it as far as the nigga leagues, which were,

50:45

like, the major leagues at time. So

50:48

we are telling that story as well amazing.

50:51

And then there were, like,

50:54

some Cuban women in the league and few Mexican

50:56

American women in the

50:57

league. So we're integrating that into the story

50:59

as well.

51:00

I can't wait. Yeah. When does that come out?

51:02

I wish I knew sometime next year, I think.

51:04

I don't know yet. I

51:06

know that. I'm sure it's sometime next

51:08

year. But I I can't I don't think they

51:10

know exactly for sure yet when.

51:12

So you also have written for the bowl type,

51:15

which I've just started Dyking and

51:17

just so mad at myself for

51:19

how into what I am. Just

51:22

because I've been into free form

51:24

shows before, like, pretty little liars.

51:27

And I'm like, I'm not getting sucked in again. And

51:29

it I He does it every time. They'll

51:32

get you. I mean, I was III

51:35

took a very serious, pretty little Irish

51:37

journey where, like, I would be so deep

51:39

in, and then I would just be, like, distressed I'd

51:41

have to leave it alone for, like, six months. And then

51:43

I would be like Well, now I have to check back in.

51:46

And and then, like yeah.

51:48

It's free form and former

51:51

ABC family. Like, they really have a way of pissing

51:53

you off, but keeping you --

51:54

Yeah. -- I will say though since,

51:56

like because I was watching pretty little liars

51:58

when it was still ABC

52:00

Family and was getting all this pushback for

52:02

being so gay. And then and

52:05

then I just saw the episode of

52:07

the bowl type where she, like, goes

52:09

down on her girlfriend. And

52:12

I'm like, free

52:13

form. Hold on a second. Like,

52:15

they don't

52:15

even show scenes that are, like, this

52:18

explicit on, like, some Netflix

52:21

shows. Like, I was

52:23

shocked. We didn't think we were gonna we wrote

52:25

it and we were, like, there's no way.

52:27

Like, this is, like, like, any kind of as

52:29

everyone knows, like, any kind of especially, like,

52:31

oral sex between women, like, immediately slaps

52:33

you, like, an NC seventeen in

52:35

movies

52:36

and, like, is just not on TV

52:38

at unless it's,

52:39

like, show time. Unless it's the l

52:41

word. Yeah. Except for the l word. I still

52:43

cannot believe I

52:45

know. Like, it's it's gonna happen. I'm like,

52:47

okay. And, like, one second, they're gonna cut away

52:49

to, like, just their feet at the bottom of the

52:50

bed, and that's all we're gonna get to see. And I'm like,

52:53

Hold on. Awesome. I

52:57

mean, as I think, like, if we if you

52:59

just knew about lesbian sex, from watching pretty little

53:02

liars, you would think it was just, like, fee

53:04

touching at the end of a bed. Like, that's

53:06

the extent of lesbian sex. No. I still cannot

53:08

believe. I cannot believe we got oh,

53:10

wait with that. Your other new project too,

53:12

you are so busy is the

53:15

Great North. And that's coming

53:16

out. I well -- Yes. -- because

53:18

that's animation. So that you probably worked on

53:21

a while ago. Give a

53:22

hundred years of timeline.

53:23

Right. Right.

53:24

It's coming out in February of of twenty

53:26

twenty one.

53:27

Stack. Stack. So

53:30

insane. Yeah. I can't wait.

53:32

Jenny Sley, Dolce Sloan,

53:35

Aparna, and Atlantis

53:37

Morrison, what? Okay.

53:39

I almost when I

53:41

heard that that was, like, before I got the didn't

53:43

know before I got the job. And then when I got the I

53:46

mean, I almost, like, fell out just, like,

53:48

in the office hearing that. I was, like, wait. Wait.

53:50

Wait. She's and and she's playing herself. Like,

53:52

she's just, like, playing an imaginary version

53:55

of herself. And I never got to talk

53:57

to her directly, but I did get I was on, like,

53:59

like, a conference call with her in our office,

54:01

and I was sweating. I

54:03

was, like, full body. She couldn't

54:05

see me. I wasn't and I was sweating.

54:07

Yeah. I would be too.

54:08

Yeah. She just has, like, this aura

54:11

about her. She just seems like

54:14

she's so white she had a podcast at

54:16

some point And I was supposed to take yeah.

54:19

She had a podcast and it was just, like,

54:22

this wasn't the name, but it was, like, the Zen

54:24

hour with Atlantis Morrison. I just,

54:26

like, heard talking about, like, gratitude

54:29

for an hour and just, like, her meditate

54:31

like, her practices and things like

54:33

that and, like, everything you would expect from

54:35

an Atlantis Morrison podcast. It's

54:37

just really funny how she went from, like,

54:40

this, like, angry rock chick

54:42

was kind of, like, what exploded her

54:44

onto the scene. And it's like,

54:46

oh, her anger her anger. But since

54:48

then, she's just like this, like, ethereal,

54:51

like Earth mother. Yeah.

54:53

Well, she got all the rage out in the nineties,

54:55

I guess. Yeah. There's nothing left.

54:59

Alright. Well, thank you for

55:02

talking about all the because you've literally,

55:04

like, worked on so many of my favorite

55:06

shows. So thanks for letting

55:08

Rerelease geek out. No.

55:11

Of

55:11

course. I can't believe I've gotten to work

55:13

on so many queer shows. Like, it's

55:16

it's just a product of, like, being

55:18

exactly the right age. Because there weren't

55:20

queer shows, but not really. So I just I can't

55:22

believe I can't believe that I keep getting

55:24

Yeah. I mean, I guess it's not that big of

55:26

a coincidence that you've, like, written on all

55:28

these shows I've seen because I seek out,

55:31

like, every queer show. So Of

55:35

the five, I've been involved with that. Right. Right.

55:40

But today, you are here to deck

55:42

out with us about breasts

55:46

We got him? Yes. What

55:48

made you wanna pitch that idea? Yeah. I

55:50

just I've such a I've had such a I

55:53

guess I'm still probably on on my on

55:55

a journey with my breasts, but I feel like I've had

55:57

such a relationship to them.

55:59

I just remember, like, so when I was a kid, I looked

56:02

I looked essentially how I do now. Look,

56:04

I looked I had short hair, what was a tomboy,

56:06

whatever, and that never, like, didn't make

56:08

sense to me. Like, that I I didn't feel like

56:10

I I wasn't thinking about gender

56:12

deeply, but, like, it would always be, like, really shocking

56:15

to me that people thought I was a boy because I was,

56:17

like, I just didn't understand, like, why just

56:19

because I have short hair, I look I'm

56:21

not being perceived as a girl, whatever

56:24

point being that, like, it got so but

56:26

happening so frequently and got so bad that when I

56:28

was, like, nine, like, in a very early

56:30

there, god, it's me Margaret. I was just, like, praying

56:32

for big breasts with my mother has, like,

56:34

huge tits. And I was like, please

56:37

let me have them so that at least if I

56:39

have big boobs, like, everyone will know I'm a girl.

56:41

And I

56:43

may have it may have worked too well. I

56:46

ended up by the time I was thirteen with double

56:49

d's -- Wow. -- which was then, like,

56:51

which when you're thirteen is, like,

56:53

You know then? It's a mess. It

56:56

is a mess. And especially at

56:58

that I mean, I don't know if kids are different now, but, like,

57:00

there was definitely no kind of conversation about

57:02

consent happening when I was a teenager

57:04

and because I was, like, the one with

57:06

with big boobs, it was, like, I'm snapping my

57:08

bra in middle of class or, like,

57:11

just grab like, just peep the way people

57:13

just, like, thought they could, like, touch my

57:15

body -- Yeah. -- is

57:17

insane.

57:17

They called me tits when they appeared,

57:19

and it stuck through high school. They

57:22

called they was, like, on the hall,

57:24

eight kids. I there

57:27

was a there was a couple other Michelle's

57:29

in my high school, so they just started calling me Big

57:31

Tets Badillo. Oh, my god.

57:35

And so it was just like, hey, big tits.

57:37

So I I really relate very

57:40

much to that. So I had, like, prayed for and

57:42

by that point, I was also, like, like, I had made a

57:44

very, like, specific strategic decision

57:46

when I, like, graduated from elementary

57:48

school that I was gonna let my hair grow out

57:50

and, like, because I just was sick and tired of

57:52

people, like, not thinking

57:55

I was a girl and I just was starting to when I

57:57

was a kid, it didn't matter and then I was going through

57:59

puberty and I just was a

58:01

mess and So then I, like,

58:03

over like, I remember overnight, it

58:05

was at the summer between seventh and eighth grade.

58:07

I went to meet up at my best friend, and she looked at

58:09

me. She was, like, did your, like, kid's girl last

58:11

night and I looked down and I was like, oh my

58:13

god. I have huge kids almost

58:15

in. I had no idea what to do with them.

58:18

And then, like, an eighth grade was just, like,

58:20

that was all. I was, like it was just became,

58:22

like, all about my breasts and I didn't know what the hell

58:24

would do with them. Then I was like, well, it's kinda

58:26

the only thing people like. And I still kinda

58:28

thought I'd like boys and I was like, it's the only sort of

58:30

thing I have that boys are into

58:33

anyway, then when I, like, was like, okay.

58:36

No. I'm a lesbian and not only my lesbian,

58:38

but, like, gender presentation wise, like,

58:40

I'm maybe gonna present

58:42

a little more masculine and then, like, starts to get,

58:44

like, more and more, like, androgynous, whatever. And

58:46

then suddenly, it was, like, now I don't

58:48

know that these breasts, like, fit into

58:50

my conception of, like, what I think

58:53

I should look like because I feel, like, in

58:55

terms of the dearth of representation, the

58:57

only, like, slightly androgynous, butch

59:00

adjacent lesbian was Shane

59:02

on the l word --

59:03

Mhmm. -- whereas, like, No kids to

59:05

speak up. Right.

59:06

Right. I was trying to find

59:08

a curvy butch kind of person

59:10

to reference in this episode and I was googling

59:13

around and it it's just all porn so I gave up.

59:17

It's it's so and and the truth is, like,

59:19

a lot of like and I'm not even

59:21

that butch,

59:22

but, like, a lot of butch women have

59:24

huge breasts -- Yeah. -- in

59:26

life. Yep. Of knowing

59:28

And it's,

59:28

like, where are they on TV? Mhmm.

59:31

Right. So I

59:33

got really tripped out about, like,

59:35

then I was and also, like, as

59:37

we were saying, like, when you're younger

59:40

and your breasts just become, like, public property

59:42

and then, like, I was feeling kind of weird about

59:44

them like that. And then I was like, well, if

59:46

I look like this, I'm, like, not supposed to have

59:49

big breasts. Like, I just didn't under like,

59:51

and I still would struggle with

59:53

this, like, the first time, like

59:56

and I've not had sex with many women, but, like, the

59:58

first time they see me naked, like, the first

1:00:00

thing the first few things they say is, like, you're

1:00:02

really small and wow you have really big

1:00:04

tits. And those always to me feel like

1:00:08

Okay. So that wasn't what you were expecting and, like,

1:00:10

you're upset. Oh, man.

1:00:12

Yeah. Even if that's not what they

1:00:14

mean. I'm just, like, this is exactly my fear was

1:00:16

that, like, you don't think I should

1:00:17

have big breasts and now you're seeing them. And

1:00:19

it's like, now, like, you were attracted

1:00:21

to, like, what you thought I was and now maybe you're

1:00:23

not

1:00:24

because, like, I've tricked you into think which

1:00:26

is

1:00:27

I don't I don't even think that that's true, but

1:00:29

that's where, like, I start to go. Well, I'm like, well, I

1:00:31

tricked you into thinking that I was like, one type

1:00:33

of person and, like, now

1:00:35

I I have big boobs and, like, the jig is up

1:00:38

and,

1:00:38

like, you can leave it, man. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:40

I I wanna go back to that, like, middle

1:00:42

school thing because it's so crazy

1:00:45

what you say about people just having no boundaries,

1:00:48

no consent, and it's

1:00:51

it's almost like I

1:00:53

don't know. I feel like it always happens, like, over

1:00:55

the summer between, like, elementary school

1:00:58

and middle school, and then we all show

1:01:00

up to middle school, and then, like,

1:01:02

some women have breasts, some

1:01:04

guys have their voice starting to

1:01:06

drop, and you're like, what is going

1:01:08

on here? Like, nobody prepared me for

1:01:10

this. What is happening? And then

1:01:12

you either feel like, oh,

1:01:14

what's going on in my body is wrong?

1:01:16

Like, no matter what side of it you're on.

1:01:19

So, like, I have,

1:01:21

like, a sized breasts

1:01:24

and I always have. So I was

1:01:26

always like, alright, when are they coming

1:01:28

in? When am I gonna fill

1:01:30

something out, this isn't right, and, you know,

1:01:33

I'd get made for that. But then I

1:01:35

also had no idea what

1:01:37

the girls were going through who did have boobs.

1:01:40

And I remember, like,

1:01:42

this one girl with boobs was having

1:01:44

all these boy friends and I'm like,

1:01:46

I don't get why she get has, like, so

1:01:48

many boyfriends. It's

1:01:51

really crazy. Like, what

1:01:54

what do these guys think are gonna happen? Like, they're gonna

1:01:56

touch her boobs no way. And that was

1:01:58

totally what was happening. Like, she

1:02:00

was letting all the boys touch her boobs. That's

1:02:02

why she had, like, a revolving

1:02:05

door. But, like, to me, if that was

1:02:07

so crazy that that was going on because I

1:02:09

felt like I still had

1:02:12

I guess there's, like, innocence, right,

1:02:14

of not having boobs and not having

1:02:16

people wanna touch my

1:02:18

boobs. was

1:02:20

the female friends who were the

1:02:22

worst at calling it out,

1:02:24

completely humiliating me, like,

1:02:26

slapping me with names running up and

1:02:28

squeezing them in the hallway. Yes. Why

1:02:31

is with the running up and squeezing them?

1:02:33

It was a thing. It

1:02:37

was just yeah. It was the Galpels.

1:02:40

We're just constantly bringing attention

1:02:42

to it, which then brought the boys attention.

1:02:44

But it was, like, probably their insecurities because

1:02:47

theirs hadn't come in yet. There's

1:02:49

a whole big mouth episode about

1:02:50

it. I remember

1:02:51

-- Yes. -- which illustrated that

1:02:53

nicely. It just, like, triggers this insecurity

1:02:56

maybe that makes the girls

1:02:58

do that, but it really was, like, instill

1:03:01

to the state. So my best friends.

1:03:03

Just, like, looking back, like, well, you made things

1:03:05

hard for me when

1:03:06

those came

1:03:07

in. Man,

1:03:08

there were these two girls when I was in ninth

1:03:10

grade who, like, in the middle of math

1:03:12

class, I remember they would always, like, start,

1:03:14

like, they would sit on either side of me and then

1:03:16

they would just grab my tits or, like, try and

1:03:18

undo my bra and pull up my shirt. Like, really,

1:03:21

like, graphic crazy shit. And I was, like, telling

1:03:23

my girlfriend and she was, like, that must have been so

1:03:25

hot. And, like, it's the

1:03:27

way I was just I guess, it sounded kind of like

1:03:30

a hot porn, and I was like, no. It

1:03:32

wasn't I was mortified, and then, like,

1:03:34

then yeah. It it was,

1:03:36

like, getting pantsed in the hallways. That's

1:03:38

what it -- Yeah. -- like, felt like And they did

1:03:40

also grab my butt because I had such a comically

1:03:42

small butt. They would screw because you can't have

1:03:44

both. If you have big boobs, I feel like you

1:03:46

usually have a smaller butt and vice

1:03:48

versa. That's just my theory.

1:03:49

I can attest. Okay. So, yeah, I

1:03:51

have a tiny butt and huge boobs. So

1:03:53

they'd come up and squeeze my boobs or

1:03:55

they would run up and cup my boobs and

1:03:57

just be

1:03:57

like, It doesn't you can't even my hands

1:04:00

flat. Like, it was just so

1:04:04

physical. Or, like, if

1:04:06

only you could take some of your boobs and put it back,

1:04:08

that

1:04:08

was a big one. Don't you wish? Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:12

Wow. I don't know if I'm just,

1:04:14

like, repressing memories from that

1:04:16

time, but I'm, like, I wouldn't have dared

1:04:19

grab my friend's boobs or maybe

1:04:21

that was just, like, me, like,

1:04:24

sort of knowing but not knowing already that,

1:04:26

like, they made me feel weird and

1:04:28

uncomfortable. But I

1:04:30

also, like, I don't know if it's just like,

1:04:33

even if I wasn't aware of being gay, like, I

1:04:35

would not have touched anyone's

1:04:37

boobs. Yeah. Same. I think

1:04:39

it was probably subconscious at that time,

1:04:41

but I was like, I don't wanna let anyone get

1:04:43

any

1:04:44

ideas. What I

1:04:46

want.

1:04:46

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:49

I mean, I was always one of those people too that,

1:04:51

like, always had a change in private.

1:04:53

Like, even in the locker room, I would always pick

1:04:55

a locker that was, like, by the corner so

1:04:57

that I could, like, fully face the corner and, like,

1:04:59

quickly change in and out of my shirt.

1:05:01

Like, even though I had nothing there, I

1:05:03

was just, like,

1:05:05

so self conscious about it.

1:05:07

Oh my god. Yeah. Do

1:05:10

you as a brown person

1:05:12

relate to this? The boobs

1:05:14

coming in around that age bend the body

1:05:16

hair and just being

1:05:19

like, this is a lot of masculine

1:05:21

and feminine energy I'm trying to figure

1:05:23

out right now. No one this

1:05:26

is no one talks about this. And people don't

1:05:28

talk about this enough. Like, the boobs coming

1:05:30

in at the same time as the mustache? Yeah.

1:05:33

And then suddenly, I was like, and

1:05:36

I still would if I didn't have laser. Yeah.

1:05:38

I just let my rock now for most part,

1:05:40

unless I'm, like, gonna see my mom, and then I'm, like,

1:05:42

I I better get rid of it. But

1:05:44

Yeah. That, like, where it's, like, you're becoming a

1:05:46

woman and also a man at the same

1:05:48

time. Like, I look at my

1:05:49

professor Snape with double d's.

1:05:51

Yes. But

1:05:54

me too. Oh my god. I've

1:05:56

that's yeah. And and, like, it just

1:05:59

they really don't tell you that these things

1:06:02

are gonna happen. And, like, I

1:06:04

remember, like, that moment when,

1:06:06

like, you you're wearing, like, at the time

1:06:08

Capri's, which I'm so glad

1:06:10

those are kind of dead. But, like, claim When you were

1:06:12

the first time somebody's like, ugh, you have to

1:06:14

shave. Yeah. And then you look around

1:06:16

and, like, nobody else has had to start shaving it, but

1:06:18

you have, like, a full bare leg. Mhmm. That's,

1:06:20

like, getting caught, like, getting caught

1:06:23

in the Capri.

1:06:26

I fully got waxed every Sunday with

1:06:28

my mom. We talked about this on a Patreon

1:06:30

Yes. But I've got a lot of thoughts

1:06:32

on big boobs and body hair. Yeah.

1:06:36

That's standing. The woman who ran the

1:06:38

salon lived in our building growing up.

1:06:40

So it was like very much like we had an in. We're

1:06:42

getting the the mustache, the uni brow,

1:06:44

that's getting done, like, every week. And

1:06:48

then a lot of do you remember

1:06:50

Sally Hanson? There was, like, the Sally

1:06:52

Hanson cream that you you throw in your upper lip

1:06:54

and it was kind of, like, nair, but, like, It was

1:06:57

not your moustache. Not the bleaching.

1:06:59

Yeah. And it would, like, melt the hair and it

1:07:01

never, like Oh,

1:07:02

my whole skin layer

1:07:04

off with the hair. And then you just, like,

1:07:06

yeah, I don't have a mustache, but now I have, like, a

1:07:08

puffy red, like, fleshless

1:07:11

lip. It's, like, I have a stache. It's a

1:07:13

gabstash now. I got rid of the hair

1:07:15

for you guys.

1:07:17

Cool with me now. Oh,

1:07:19

god. I would you couldn't you

1:07:21

there's you couldn't pay. I owe god.

1:07:23

Oh,

1:07:24

I'm, like, I can feel myself, like, feeling like

1:07:26

I'm in seventh grade again. I know.

1:07:28

I'm triggered. I'm fully triggered right now.

1:07:30

But you can't win though. If you don't have if

1:07:32

you have if you have not developed or, like,

1:07:34

just aren't a person who's gonna have big breasts, like,

1:07:37

you feel like a failure. And then if you have them, you

1:07:39

they're just, like, everybody

1:07:41

talks about them and

1:07:42

they're, like, for public consumption and nobody

1:07:44

wins. Yeah. Yeah. Because well, I

1:07:46

know that my relationship with my breasts

1:07:49

have definitely changed over time and

1:07:51

it went from me feeling constantly inadequate

1:07:54

and that I was never gonna,

1:07:56

like, look right in shirts or I was always

1:07:58

gonna be, like, super pair shaped and

1:08:00

never proportional and would never look good

1:08:02

in a dress or anything like that.

1:08:05

To Dyking

1:08:07

like an out lesbian who

1:08:11

is so happy that I never attracted

1:08:14

that amount of attention for men. Like,

1:08:16

I feel like like, I can't can't

1:08:18

even handle the few cat

1:08:20

calls that I get now that had

1:08:22

I had breasts, like, knowing

1:08:25

how much worse it would be. You

1:08:27

know, I was like, thank god I

1:08:29

didn't have that or just like with

1:08:31

my friends just knowing troubles

1:08:34

with, like, getting bras and things

1:08:36

like that and, like,

1:08:41

back pain and all that stuff. So

1:08:43

I've grown to really appreciate my

1:08:46

boobs being small. At the same

1:08:48

time though, there's always this

1:08:52

like like, media and everything

1:08:54

is just so strong and,

1:08:56

like, ingrained in my head that, like,

1:08:59

my body doesn't look like it's supposed

1:09:01

to for a

1:09:03

woman. You know? Yeah.

1:09:05

I mean, this in another million ways

1:09:08

that they just will not let us win. I feel like

1:09:10

you're supposed to have big

1:09:12

breasts. Like, I feel like it struck me

1:09:14

when you were saying that, like, you were never gonna fill out,

1:09:16

like, shirts the right way or a dress. And I

1:09:18

remember at the time, like, going to American

1:09:20

Eagle, which was, like, the thing you had to have

1:09:23

when I was

1:09:23

in, you know, seven to eight and I have grayed out. Shirts.

1:09:25

And literally, not being able to fit into their

1:09:27

shirts.

1:09:28

Yeah. Say that fitting

1:09:31

rooms. Let's just go

1:09:33

there.

1:09:35

Fitting rooms at I still don't go in them.

1:09:37

Yes. I'm like, really I have a hard time.

1:09:39

I'll buy things and take them home and try

1:09:41

them on and then go back and return

1:09:42

them. Wait. Me too. Before

1:09:44

going into fitting room. Wait. Wait.

1:09:47

Just because of the trauma of

1:09:49

being I was also around the

1:09:51

time after puberty. I think I was so

1:09:54

ashamed of my boobs coming in. I was

1:09:56

also did have, like, childhood sexual abuse

1:09:58

with slap a trigger warning on there. You

1:10:00

too? Or yeah. So that's

1:10:03

another byproduct of them coming in

1:10:05

early. And then because

1:10:07

of all the shame from that, I just started

1:10:09

to eat and eat and, like, make

1:10:11

myself as, like, undesirable as

1:10:14

possible and, like, had this, like, fat shield.

1:10:17

So it's, like, the boobs, yes, still

1:10:19

only growing as I grew bigger. Like,

1:10:21

it only got

1:10:22

bigger. And then so not being able

1:10:24

to fit up top, but, like, in general,

1:10:26

it became, like, fitting rooms are like a

1:10:28

bad place for me, but definitely in puberty

1:10:30

when I wasn't, like, the weight wasn't the

1:10:32

problem. I wasn't fitting in, like, adult women

1:10:34

blouses. In in my dumb

1:10:37

small boob mine, I I was like,

1:10:39

oh, were, like, the shirts getting stuck

1:10:41

on you when you were trying to take them

1:10:42

off? Because they got caught on your boobs. Is that why

1:10:44

you don't go and changing her.

1:10:46

I'm an idiot. Got stuck in things.

1:10:51

It's not like I remember not being able

1:10:53

to get a shirt over my boobs. In

1:10:55

a challenging room and, like, opening my

1:10:57

eyes to see, like, the shirt

1:11:00

over the top half of my end, like, my

1:11:02

my breast just, like, bulging

1:11:05

at, like and I

1:11:06

yeah. Yeah. So you're not you're, like,

1:11:08

that's not an incorrect image.

1:11:11

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And

1:11:13

then you I admire your

1:11:15

style so much of stocking your Instagram

1:11:17

today. And I was just like, yeah. You

1:11:20

did it. Like, you're, like, pulling off

1:11:22

the androgynous look and you're

1:11:24

rocking your boobs. And, like,

1:11:27

I gave up on that. Like, I'm still much

1:11:29

on journey with my boobs and my style.

1:11:31

Like, II1 of the first like, the

1:11:33

reason I made a Reddit account way back in

1:11:35

the day was so could post on there and figure

1:11:37

out how to dress androgynously. Like,

1:11:40

I just wanted I was gravitating

1:11:42

towards that style, but I felt

1:11:45

like I couldn't. Like, was talking about not

1:11:47

feeling like real am I a real woman if

1:11:49

I don't have

1:11:49

boobs? I was like, am I a real, like, lesbian?

1:11:52

What if I have big boobs? Like, I don't

1:11:54

-- Yes. -- know what to do here.

1:11:57

That's the trap. It's like, you grow

1:11:59

up with all these, like, ideals about, like, what women

1:12:01

are supposed to look like. And then you think,

1:12:03

like, you would think that becoming a lesbian

1:12:05

suddenly, like, or, like, queer woman, like,

1:12:07

or a queer person, like, just freeze

1:12:09

you from those norms, and then you're, like,

1:12:11

the wait. Is there a new set of of things

1:12:13

I didn't know about that now I don't fit

1:12:16

into? And by the way, I just wanna say in terms

1:12:18

of my Instagram, like, and

1:12:20

how I frequently, like, damn showing my

1:12:22

breasts. And first of all, you'll notice

1:12:24

that it's always nude because

1:12:27

I still kind of don't know how to do

1:12:29

it in clothes. Like, I either don't wear a bra

1:12:31

or I wear a binder. I I, like,

1:12:33

cannot figure out an in between because if just

1:12:35

wear regular

1:12:36

bra, then I just have too too much

1:12:40

breasts happening. You it's Rerelease

1:12:42

so hard. Yeah. It's still a good bra. Yeah.

1:12:44

No matter what's this? And I I know it's harder,

1:12:47

like, I've had friends who used

1:12:49

to wear, like, two bras. And the other

1:12:51

thing is how expensive bras

1:12:53

are. And I feel like that Is

1:12:55

that I don't know. I I think browse need to be,

1:12:57

like, government subsidized, like,

1:13:00

tax free. It can't even get tampons.

1:13:02

Right. It can't get tampons, but but it is

1:13:04

kind of insane how

1:13:08

how expensive they are and, like,

1:13:12

the fact that most people do wear them

1:13:14

every

1:13:15

day and I don't know. Well, for a

1:13:17

good bra for people with

1:13:19

larger

1:13:19

breasts, double that price. No.

1:13:22

I know. I've I've peaked the price

1:13:24

tag and I'm like, you have

1:13:26

got to be kidding and that's, like,

1:13:28

that's where I feel really lucky that I can

1:13:30

just wear one of those, you know, bralettes

1:13:33

or whatever or or go without

1:13:35

one. As I get, like, older and

1:13:37

more confident in doing that. But

1:13:40

it's

1:13:40

I I do make the choice like,

1:13:43

I'm I do make the choice to not wear

1:13:45

a bra, which I never thought I would be that person

1:13:47

because, like, I was I was, like, that's, like, a luxury

1:13:49

for small breasted people that I do not

1:13:51

have. Yeah. And then I just started Okay.

1:13:53

T. You mean, I'm still in that phase. Well, I

1:13:55

just started doing it, but the thing is, like, it

1:13:57

is it does feel for a long time

1:13:59

it still felt pornographic especially because I'm always

1:14:01

doing it wearing like a tank top and I would

1:14:04

go into work like this and I would be like, oh,

1:14:06

like, it yeah. It is like you have to be

1:14:08

ready for it to feel like little like, you

1:14:10

just have they're just out

1:14:11

there. Mhmm. Are are you ever not aware

1:14:13

that they're out there though? Because that that's my

1:14:15

thing. It's, like, unless like,

1:14:17

I'll go without a broad often in the winter

1:14:19

if I'm wearing like a sweatshirt or a sweater

1:14:22

and nobody can tell. But like

1:14:24

in the summer, I'm so aware that like everybody's

1:14:26

gonna know I'm not wearing a bra and I'm just attracting

1:14:28

pension. I am hyper

1:14:31

aware of that and I've tried to make it in my

1:14:33

head. Like, there's something in my head

1:14:35

where I feel like it's kind

1:14:37

of, like, queer and punk to, like, force

1:14:39

it not, like, force everybody to look at my breasts.

1:14:41

Like, that's I don't mean like that, but there's something

1:14:44

that feels, like, queer

1:14:46

to me to just be like, yes, my breasts

1:14:48

are here. Right. And, like, if you have a problem

1:14:50

with that, then that's on you. That's

1:14:53

But it's it's very

1:14:54

scary. It's so funny because I have

1:14:56

a a friend who's straight and

1:14:59

when when she was I think maybe

1:15:01

when she first moved to New York City. She

1:15:04

decided to, like, stop wearing bras because she

1:15:07

also had small breasts. And then one

1:15:09

of her boyfriends

1:15:10

was, like, Are you, like, a lesbian or something?

1:15:12

Just because she,

1:15:13

like, didn't wear a bra. See,

1:15:16

it is gay not to wear a bra. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:18

I think so. And that's where

1:15:20

I rest. I'm like, that feels like it can be

1:15:22

part of my, like, queer identity. It's just,

1:15:24

like, not wearing a, like, insisting

1:15:27

not not wearing a bra, but but

1:15:29

it is a trip. It's like what you were saying

1:15:32

where you're like, do I am I not a

1:15:34

good lesbian now? Because I have these

1:15:37

these big it's like before III

1:15:39

didn't feel like a real girl because I

1:15:41

didn't have boobs and now I have them and I

1:15:45

I don't feel like a real lesbian or something.

1:15:47

I also have very small hands. So I felt like God

1:15:49

was playing

1:15:49

like a very cruel joke on me. Like, I'm

1:15:51

gonna make this like androgynous lesbian

1:15:54

with like huge boobs and

1:15:56

tiny hands, which

1:15:58

before I had sex with her, I I maybe I would

1:16:00

just grew up, like, knowing, like, hearing

1:16:02

big dick stuff. So I was like, these my fingers

1:16:04

are my dicks. Yeah. And they're small. And

1:16:07

I don't

1:16:07

know, like, how that's that seems not

1:16:09

fair. Yeah. Talk. Talk

1:16:11

about not fair. I will get, like, carpal

1:16:13

tunnel. My dicks

1:16:16

broken for two or three weeks

1:16:18

again.

1:16:19

I I got I got I got

1:16:21

statz discussing, but I had staff infection,

1:16:23

like, in my middle finger, a

1:16:26

couple years ago and, like, it my

1:16:28

finger blew up. I couldn't use it

1:16:30

for sex. So I but I was, like, this

1:16:32

is my, like, sex organ. Yeah.

1:16:34

Mhmm. Like, forgiving. You

1:16:36

know? Like and I just yeah.

1:16:38

It's like you're out of commish. Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:41

But back to breast, No. No bitch.

1:16:44

We can't we're about to veer. I know. I was

1:16:46

just thinking, like, anytime my wife and I are,

1:16:48

like, doing something with our hands or, like,

1:16:50

chopping stuff,

1:16:50

we're, like, be careful. Can't

1:16:53

risk anything happening to

1:16:55

those. It

1:16:58

is but nobody has ever people

1:17:01

have as I've said, when I got naked

1:17:03

have remarked, like, oh, your your boobs are bigger

1:17:05

than I thought or whatever, but nobody's been, like,

1:17:08

I'm not into

1:17:08

that.

1:17:09

Yeah. feel like people are generally excited

1:17:11

to see them. Boobs. Yeah.

1:17:14

I

1:17:14

just I also feel like I turned off by

1:17:16

them. I don't know. I feel like I this

1:17:18

is another thing I wanna talk about with lesbians

1:17:20

and breasts. I don't I feel like I don't

1:17:22

hear enough, like, queer people

1:17:24

talking about like, being into

1:17:27

breath is a thing. Yeah. And

1:17:29

maybe they're not, which is Yeah. -- with, like,

1:17:32

gender clearing more and more

1:17:34

The conversations around breasts, I'll say, with a lot of

1:17:36

queer friends

1:17:37

lately, have been more about top surgery. Right.

1:17:39

And and, like, also, I know for

1:17:42

me, just because of my insecurities about

1:17:44

my own breasts, I never want

1:17:46

to, like, fetishize or

1:17:50

think of, like, larger breasts as something to

1:17:52

be excited about because then that would make me feel

1:17:54

bad about myself for for not

1:17:56

having that. So I'm just like,

1:17:58

all bodies are beautiful and,

1:18:00

you know, every

1:18:02

every pair of breasts is different

1:18:04

and I'm just That's nice. And

1:18:06

they're all beautiful. No. I do I love that

1:18:08

and I feel like that's, like, that

1:18:10

is exciting and, like, that's what because

1:18:12

I'll and, like, breasts

1:18:15

are not Rerelease, like, you

1:18:17

know, there are women without breasts or, like,

1:18:19

people who don't identify as women who do have

1:18:21

breasts. It shouldn't be attached to all these things

1:18:23

at all. But it

1:18:26

is it it it ends up

1:18:28

feeling like this gray area

1:18:30

or something where I I don't know why

1:18:32

because I don't hear that people are into

1:18:34

them. I assume that

1:18:37

they're not and that it's somehow gonna

1:18:39

be

1:18:40

bad. Yeah.

1:18:40

You gotta talk to my girlfriend. It's like

1:18:42

she's such a trucker. When it

1:18:44

comes to

1:18:45

reality, she sounds Yeah.

1:18:47

Allie is more in -- Yeah. -- tubes and

1:18:49

tubes.

1:18:52

I love and and I really respond to that.

1:18:54

That's why I was like, that's nice with Rerelease. Because,

1:18:57

like, with Ally, it's like, who

1:18:59

are you? The way she talks about

1:19:00

breasts, like, we'll be watching TV and she'd like,

1:19:02

I'll be like, oh, that that girl's hot, she'd be like,

1:19:04

ugh, not big enough. Like, she well,

1:19:08

I will say, Cecilia did listen

1:19:11

to last week's podcast where

1:19:13

I called Kate Winslet's breast magnificent.

1:19:15

And she's like, do you wish do you wish my breasts

1:19:17

were more magnificent? Like Kate Winslet's because

1:19:20

my wife also has is

1:19:22

a little bit on the the smaller side like me.

1:19:24

And I'm like, no. Not at

1:19:27

all. Like, I can appreciate all

1:19:29

shapes and sizes of

1:19:30

breasts. But the word magnificent

1:19:33

comes to mind when I think of Kate Winslets.

1:19:36

I feel like we know everyone knows Kate

1:19:38

Winslet has one of the best racks in Hollywood.

1:19:40

Yeah. She has, like She has gorgeous.

1:19:43

Yeah. Whether you're into to breast or

1:19:45

not, like, that's just they're they are

1:19:47

she does have Masterpiece. Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:50

It I mean yeah. Yeah. But

1:19:53

it is and I I've dated all across the

1:19:55

the breast spectrum. Yeah. And it's never

1:19:57

I think also because I have such big boobs,

1:19:59

it's like it's never meant that much to me because it's

1:20:01

like I have them and you can if

1:20:03

you don't have them, I have them and if

1:20:06

you do, like, that's awesome. So It's that's awesome

1:20:08

too. So it doesn't really matter to

1:20:10

me, but I wish, anyway, it

1:20:13

is I did consider top surgery for a long

1:20:15

time because I felt so I was,

1:20:17

like, these breasts aren't, like,

1:20:20

gelling with my, like, self conception --

1:20:22

Yeah. -- or, like, what I think other

1:20:25

people conceive of me, but I always when

1:20:27

I was naked, I would look at

1:20:29

my body and actually

1:20:31

feel okay about it. Like, it my breasts

1:20:33

on their own never, like,

1:20:36

when I was naked, III always felt like

1:20:38

I like my body but I

1:20:40

somehow think nobody else will.

1:20:43

That's where I'm at. Yeah.

1:20:46

Probably a lot of people too. But -- Yeah.

1:20:48

-- I start to consider top surgery once

1:20:51

it became popular. But before that,

1:20:53

it was always breast reduction. Survey

1:20:56

is something I always wanted. It's

1:20:58

like the eighth grade. Yeah. And

1:21:01

but it's weird. Yeah. When I'll, like, look at myself

1:21:03

naked, I'll be like, this rocks, but it's

1:21:05

just like, I don't know, the attention

1:21:08

and just like the have it's like something you

1:21:10

always have to work around. The back

1:21:12

pain is real. I

1:21:15

just had to get one of them. I just had to drop,

1:21:17

like, a couple hundred dollars on these, like,

1:21:19

specific back rollers for the specific

1:21:22

pain

1:21:22

and, like, posture corrector.

1:21:24

Like, it's just, like, literally dropped that link.

1:21:27

Yeah. Yeah. But it is Sherp

1:21:29

is a good product. And

1:21:32

it's I think, like, the the it's,

1:21:34

like, about the clothes too. It's, like, because I

1:21:36

feel also, like, you know,

1:21:38

presentation is, like, so about your like, how you

1:21:40

dress or, like, how you want a dress, and then, like,

1:21:42

the it's the same thing as being in eighth grade and

1:21:44

not fitting into them in American Eagle or something.

1:21:47

It's, like, this way that I the

1:21:49

breasts aren't like gelling with the way that I

1:21:52

wanna look to the world when I'm in clothes.

1:21:54

When I'm naked, by myself, it's fine.

1:21:56

When I have to, like, put it on clothes and go out in the world,

1:21:58

suddenly,

1:21:58

like, these breasts aren't making sense. Yeah. It is

1:22:00

clothes. Well, yeah, I guess I haven't been thinking

1:22:02

about it much in COVID because I'm just, like,

1:22:05

brought us or an umbrella in sweats.

1:22:07

So maybe yeah. I've taken

1:22:09

a little, like, vacation from that stress.

1:22:12

It'll be back. It's,

1:22:14

like, the the one good thing about this time

1:22:16

is, like, no stress. Right.

1:22:20

Titled my new podcast. stress.

1:22:23

Breast dress on your back and in

1:22:25

your heart.

1:22:26

Yeah. I I was putting on a bras

1:22:28

for Zoom meetings, and I'm like, why?

1:22:30

It's not nobody can know

1:22:32

if I have a bra or

1:22:33

not. I'll see. I have one on right now

1:22:35

because of the ring

1:22:37

light and the boob sweat. The

1:22:41

under boob sweat. That's why I'm, like,

1:22:43

addicted to underwire. can't get in

1:22:45

my own home right

1:22:46

now.

1:22:47

I had

1:22:47

to swap it.

1:22:48

Yeah. That's very real. Do you put

1:22:50

deodorant under your boobs? Talk to me.

1:22:52

No. I well, I used to put I used to put

1:22:54

powder until I until the whole,

1:22:56

like, the the powder causes cancer

1:22:58

-- Yeah. Yeah. --

1:22:59

whatever thing. So I just

1:23:01

live with it. I just live with it.

1:23:03

I'll if I'm

1:23:04

right now, I have I talk

1:23:05

to you. You know that move?

1:23:08

I just did it, which I'm sorry

1:23:10

that I did that too, guys. But

1:23:12

but it is a lot about the talk. But

1:23:15

we were talking guys because I started this writer's

1:23:17

room on Zoom and none of us have met person

1:23:19

and somebody was like, oh, we should all talk about how

1:23:21

tall we are so that when we meet in person,

1:23:23

we're out. We're shocked that somebody's really tall,

1:23:25

really short. And then I

1:23:28

was like, I just have to say, like, my my height

1:23:30

will not, like, shock you. I'm, like,

1:23:32

very average height, but, like, it will shock you

1:23:34

because you can't see on Zoom that I have really big

1:23:37

boobs. And then I said that, and then I was like,

1:23:39

I don't think. Now

1:23:41

I feel like I've sexually harassed

1:23:42

all. Yeah. But I wasn't saying it to be like,

1:23:44

you guys, I have like a great rag. Just get ready

1:23:46

for it. I would say, because it's what

1:23:48

I'm anxious

1:23:49

about. I'm like, they're all gonna see me and be like, oh, didn't

1:23:51

know she had such huge, like, and now

1:23:53

it's like now I've also and now it's actually harassed you

1:23:55

all because of my anxiety. Do you

1:23:58

get like cat called when you're

1:24:00

out, like, do you notice that,

1:24:03

like, with with your androgyny like,

1:24:05

in the style clothes you

1:24:06

wear, does it not have an effect on

1:24:08

cat calling Does it not matter?

1:24:10

I will say and I have always said this

1:24:12

and I swear it's true. Men

1:24:15

are so much more into me now

1:24:17

than they were my entire life. With

1:24:20

the entourage. Like, also, I think, like,

1:24:23

like, men don't like to admit to it, but, like,

1:24:25

there is some like, men do fetishize, like,

1:24:28

a certain type of vascular and lesbian -- Yeah.

1:24:30

-- if you have breasts on top. Like, I think yeah.

1:24:32

I have it's so much weirder

1:24:34

and I get so much more male attention now,

1:24:37

which I it's it's

1:24:39

very confusing and

1:24:41

upsetting. No. But I the

1:24:44

the yeah.

1:24:46

It has

1:24:46

it has been I it's almost gotten worse. Interesting.

1:24:48

In my life. Man, maybe

1:24:51

I'll stay firm. I

1:24:53

will. I really don't wanna be as fem as

1:24:55

like present lot of the time because it's just

1:24:57

easier with the

1:24:58

boobs, which is sad.

1:25:00

Well, the LHV is a thing. Long

1:25:02

hair butch, Long hair butch, LHB0,

1:25:05

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Passguest, Sarah

1:25:08

Hollandquist. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:25:10

Mollie Carney. If

1:25:11

you know Molly

1:25:11

-- All the carnies to my mom. Yeah.

1:25:13

-- well, okay. If we're talking

1:25:16

about breasts and and

1:25:18

being a lesbian or being with women,

1:25:21

having sex, boobs together,

1:25:24

the noise. You

1:25:26

mean the the boob queen? Yes. Yeah.

1:25:29

I don't think you've ever talked about it on this podcast,

1:25:31

and I think it's something that just needs to be called

1:25:33

out that it's, like, I

1:25:36

don't know. Every time I it's like I try not

1:25:38

to laugh because I don't want it to ruin it, but

1:25:40

then sometimes it's such a good job that

1:25:42

you have to laugh. And

1:25:44

it's like, And then sometimes it's like no matter,

1:25:46

like, how careful or,

1:25:50

like, conscious you are of it and trying not to

1:25:52

make it happen, like, I

1:25:54

was

1:25:54

like, how is this happening?

1:25:58

That's so funny. I'll try not to laugh at a boob

1:26:00

queen, but I will absolutely laugh

1:26:03

at a real queuing.

1:26:04

No. I would it's just gonna say, like, I nobody

1:26:07

talks about the boob queave. Yeah. Yeah.

1:26:09

And it's it's very real and

1:26:11

happens a lot and, like, it

1:26:13

is I you just have I think

1:26:15

you have to like like as with a regular queuing,

1:26:17

like, you have to laugh. I mean, it's

1:26:19

funny. If if you're not laughing, like, then we then

1:26:22

everyone knows that everyone's

1:26:23

lying. Yeah. I think and I think,

1:26:25

like, sex is bad honesty. Mhmm. And so we

1:26:27

should all just be laughing. Yeah. Because the

1:26:30

the bookkeeper, it sounds so much to

1:26:32

me, like, when you're a kid and you make those

1:26:34

farting noises with your

1:26:35

eyeballs, and that's exactly what

1:26:37

it sounds like.

1:26:40

Does that happen when you have sex with men?

1:26:42

Like, is there a body a body grief

1:26:44

that happens?

1:26:44

Yeah. Let's still remember.

1:26:47

I had sex with a guy once. And

1:26:49

we it didn't I was partial

1:26:51

to positions where it was, like, I was facing

1:26:54

away.

1:26:56

No. No. Yeah. Boom

1:26:59

on their chest. I mean, I haven't noticed

1:27:01

a difference in, like, how often it happens

1:27:04

based on, like, the

1:27:06

size of the person I'm with. So if I'm with someone

1:27:08

else with, like, smaller breasts, it still

1:27:10

happens. Large breasts still

1:27:12

happens. I would almost say

1:27:14

it happened more when I was with someone who had

1:27:16

smaller breasts. It was like the air there was more air

1:27:18

pockets or something. Yeah. And

1:27:23

it would yeah. It's just a It's

1:27:25

like building a fire, so you gotta make room for

1:27:27

the air. Sorry.

1:27:30

I just felt my first fire this last weekend.

1:27:33

Okay. So is everything Dyking? Is is not a

1:27:35

metaphor for everything? Absolutely. That's

1:27:37

so funny, Caroline, when you brought this up, you're like,

1:27:39

a question, boops together. And I

1:27:41

really thought you're gonna be like, is that a

1:27:43

thing, like, Like, do

1:27:45

you want a

1:27:46

boob,

1:27:46

so your nipples can't. Yeah.

1:27:50

There's there's special, like, big

1:27:52

boob sex that's happening

1:27:53

that That's what I think people aren't

1:27:55

talking about. That's

1:27:56

what I think, like, twelve year olds think lesbian

1:27:58

sex is like, just Dyking your

1:28:00

boot in your boot. Together.

1:28:02

No. When I was twelve, I thought it was somebody

1:28:04

pooping on a plate and someone else eating it because

1:28:06

that's what someone told

1:28:07

me. Oh, no. Come on.

1:28:09

Well, that's old. That's not

1:28:11

like Miranda July, like Yeah.

1:28:13

Yeah. It was. That's that's why that's my

1:28:15

favorite seat. A pooping into a bunch of people

1:28:17

coming back and forth forever with

1:28:20

the same poop as my favorite

1:28:22

scene. But because no. I think I was ten

1:28:24

years old and somebody told me that

1:28:27

that lesbians have sex by

1:28:29

one of them pooping on a plate and the other one eating

1:28:31

it. And even though it was only ten, I was, like, very

1:28:33

aware of the fact that my gym teacher was

1:28:35

a

1:28:35

Dyking. And I

1:28:37

would just, like, look at her mouth.

1:28:39

Like, yeah. I'd look at her mouth and look at, like,

1:28:41

the corners of her lips for, like, traces of

1:28:43

poop. Just, like, is

1:28:46

miss Tack having sex? I'm

1:28:48

gonna I'm gonna pass out

1:28:49

right now. Because

1:28:53

I hate that you made me picture

1:28:55

a dry, cracked kind of I

1:28:58

don't know where She was also the owner of the

1:29:00

balance. She was seventy six years

1:29:02

old. Too. That's what makes it even better. I'm like,

1:29:04

I need to know if my old Dyking

1:29:06

elementary school gym teacher is

1:29:09

fucking. Man.

1:29:12

On a plate. On a plate.

1:29:14

On that just into the mouth. I

1:29:17

know. I used to I used to actually have this

1:29:19

in my stand up when I first

1:29:21

started and, like,

1:29:23

tell that story. And I'd be like, which is not

1:29:25

true? We don't use

1:29:27

plates. It's

1:29:29

a waste of a bit of late. I didn't have

1:29:32

to wash it.

1:29:34

You're straight straight into the straight into

1:29:36

the mouth. Two girls, one cup style.

1:29:38

Yeah. Human sentiment. Wasn't

1:29:40

that into a cup? That was in a cup.

1:29:41

Yeah. Yeah. Human sentiment style. Yes.

1:29:44

Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:29:44

That's what lesbian sex is. Yeah. Human

1:29:47

centipede is actually the most accurate lesbian

1:29:49

born ever.

1:29:52

Yeah. And then

1:29:54

I also this incorporating boobs

1:29:56

into sex, like, from watching the l word

1:29:58

which was, like, my what I considered as

1:30:01

it younger person, like, the most accurate

1:30:03

like, how anytime they go down on

1:30:05

someone, they are reaching their breakeven

1:30:08

at the same

1:30:08

time. Yes.

1:30:09

My god. I just thought that was the only that

1:30:11

that's like how you eat someone out. It's like you also

1:30:13

have to, like, be having your hands.

1:30:15

Which is not I mean, it's

1:30:18

the if the heights work out, it can work

1:30:20

out, but it's not always it's not always

1:30:22

doesn't always feel

1:30:23

great. And

1:30:24

do you kind of stand

1:30:25

your hands a hand, at

1:30:27

least when you're a fin. Yeah. So

1:30:29

I might not

1:30:30

Dyking the whole time. Right?

1:30:33

Like Well, you need to How was that? But if

1:30:35

you're not, you know, on a plate. Okay?

1:30:37

It's on Rerelease. That's

1:30:41

so funny. I remember do trying to

1:30:43

do that. Because that's what I was working

1:30:45

off of just that

1:30:46

show. It's a lot of strain on your, like,

1:30:48

upper shoulders if you try and hold

1:30:51

that Yeah. The the I'm doing

1:30:53

it. You can't see on a podcast. Yeah. It's

1:30:55

it's a lot of it's it ends up being a lot of

1:30:57

strain. But I also yeah. I mean,

1:31:00

Lesbans are into or I

1:31:02

keep saying lesbians, which just mean is an

1:31:04

umbrella

1:31:05

term, but I'm

1:31:05

sure it's right for me to just say lesbians. Yeah.

1:31:07

We use Dyking for all deck

1:31:09

is my favorite word. So just you've come

1:31:12

to the right

1:31:12

place. I mean, deck's

1:31:14

like do like breast play

1:31:16

-- Yeah. -- which I've I swear

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I had a point coming into that conversation.

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But, oh, it was just like my

1:31:24

just about how I'm always scared that, like, people

1:31:26

don't want my breast

1:31:28

in the in the equation, but, like, they're into

1:31:30

people or into breast play. And then I always

1:31:33

felt weird about it for a while, but then because I have

1:31:35

I've Okay. This is, like, too far. But I have,

1:31:37

like, not just sensitive nipples.

1:31:39

Like, I relate to the world through

1:31:42

my nipples in a way that I thought. Was there too

1:31:44

early on? And I I'm always, like, you

1:31:46

know when you're, like, really nervous in your lip button, feeling

1:31:48

your nipples? Or, like, to me, like, everything gets

1:31:50

filtered through my nipples. Like, and I just thought that's

1:31:52

how everybody like, perceive the world.

1:31:55

Like, nerves happen through your nipples. Like, excitement

1:31:57

happens through your nipples. Like, for me, nipples and

1:31:59

nostalgia. Like, for some reason when you start playing

1:32:01

with my nipples, like, I get this weird nostalgic

1:32:03

feeling that sometimes, like, too hard to

1:32:05

handle. Oh my god. But anyway, I just,

1:32:07

like, I I always thought everybody was,

1:32:09

like, nickel centric emotionally, like, men and

1:32:11

women -- Yeah. -- and everything in between.

1:32:13

That was, like, part of the reason why I didn't end

1:32:15

up go like, looking further into breast production

1:32:18

because, like, I do experience

1:32:20

the world through my nipples too.

1:32:22

And I lose nipples sensitivity. There's

1:32:24

a big possibility you could lose that. And

1:32:27

I yeah. I definitely my

1:32:29

nips are too set like, I doing

1:32:31

standup even it was, like, I can't just

1:32:33

wear a t shirts because, like, the nerves

1:32:35

just be, like, hard nips the whole profanity.

1:32:38

As my nips are yeah.

1:32:40

What? They'll turn the world

1:32:42

through, which I love that you said.

1:32:45

I'm so happy to have this issue.

1:32:47

Somebody else. The nipple antennas. Yeah.

1:32:50

And I just thought that's how, like, every single

1:32:53

person with nipples, like, experienced the

1:32:55

world. I was, like, right, you have a feeling and and your

1:32:57

nipples feel it for and show

1:32:58

it.

1:32:58

I don't relate

1:32:59

to this at all. This is frustrating for

1:33:01

me. Maybe because our breasts

1:33:03

are, like, farther out in the world. They're Oh,

1:33:06

that's funny. So I feel like they're like

1:33:08

literal antennas. Yeah.

1:33:10

Yeah. And mine's just not picking up the

1:33:12

signal. I have a weak signal. I have a

1:33:14

weak lip signal. But

1:33:17

I I again can't remember what my whole point

1:33:19

was in everything, but I think it's just like how

1:33:21

I I'm still like working out how I conceive

1:33:23

of of of breast place as

1:33:26

my nipples are

1:33:27

so, like, emotionally sent not just sensitive

1:33:29

to the touch, but emotionally sensitive. That's

1:33:31

wild. I feel like I'm gonna go

1:33:33

down, like, of YouTube rabbit

1:33:35

or just Internet rabbit hole researching

1:33:38

this. Because nostalgia, that

1:33:40

could be interest in the middle

1:33:42

of sex. Yeah.

1:33:45

I I don't know if Michelle just the right

1:33:47

word, but I get this feeling sometimes,

1:33:49

like, right when somebody first starts

1:33:52

touching my nipples where I get this I