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Eagles Entertainment Welcome

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Eagles Everywhere to the Eagles Insider Podcast presented

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by Lincoln Financial Group. I'm Eagles Insider

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Dave Spidero in Arizona

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one day closer. Does it feel

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like this has been the longest week ever?

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Certainly the longest two weeks as the Eagles

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coming off that NFC Championship Game win over

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the San Francisco forty nine ers and

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now it's Sunday in the Kansas

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City Chiefs and Super Bowl fifty

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seven. In this episode, I want to do

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something entirely different. I've done a bunch of interviews

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with players. We will save

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some real football XS

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and os and that kind of thing

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for the final daily

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podcast of the week on Friday, but for

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this episode here on this Thursday, I want to talk

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about nutrition because it's such

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an important component in

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a player's performance, and it's something

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that the Eagles do better than any

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team in the NFL. If you've ever been

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by the Novercare Complex, what you notice

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is a devotion to hydration.

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You've walked in the cafeteria and you've seen

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the great offerings of food for breakfast,

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for lunch, and for dinner. Back

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in the area, of the locker room, there's

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a nutrition station where

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the Eagles will give a player something

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to eat off the practice field, a

1:23

shake, a snack, something to begin

1:25

the recovery. So I wanted to make sure that

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I kind of highlighted some of these people as I've done

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throughout the week, who really play an important

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part in this team's success

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that maybe you don't know about. So today

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we're going to talk about nutrition. We're

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gonna talk with Mike Menace and Stephanie

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Coppola. First up, Mike Menas

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is in his sixth season as a member

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of the Philadelphia Eagles Sports Medicine

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end Performance department. He's the director

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of Performance Nutrition and also an

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assistant strength and conditioning coach, and

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he talks about the program the Eagles

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are on to eat right and take

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that good food onto the football

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field for the highest performance possible.

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Mike, it strikes me that the

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first thing, and I always laugh when

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I bring people around the building or a

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how much hydration there is in

2:15

the building. And when players

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come off the field, the first thing they see is Stephanie

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there with this specialty

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shakes and it and I always tell people

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the emphasis on nutrition is

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really remarkable. Kind of what

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do you see when you're dealing with these athletes, Like, what do

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you want to accomplish with these guys? Yeah,

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I mean the first, the first thing, the most important thing

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is that you know, football is an amazing sport

2:38

because you look across the different body

2:40

types of all the position groups and

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even within the same position, because you can be you

2:45

know, thirty to fifty pounds difference. And then obviously

2:47

when you're looking across the team, I mean

2:49

you can be you know, a couple hundred pounds

2:51

difference than an athlete. So the needs

2:54

for all those athletes vary so much so that that's

2:56

the biggest challenge for us is just making

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sure that we're reaching all those guys, whether you're one

3:00

hundred and sixty pounds or whether you're three hundred and sixty

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pounds, making sure that they have

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what they need. And I think, you know, we're

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fortunate at Novercare to have the

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facility that we do that we have such

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a good presence of nutrition both in our

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training table in the cafe

3:15

and then our fuel station, which you alluded

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to is in a perfect position

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right outside the locker room, right ass out of the weight

3:22

room. Those guys pass that ten,

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fifteen, twenty times right before

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they lived, right after they live, right before they practice,

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right after they practice. So it's so easy for us to

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be able to get them what they need in

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an efficient manner. I'm

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not sure though the fans understand what

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does a player need. Fans

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just think, hey, go pump a lout of iron. You

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know, workout, play well, but you have

3:45

to eat the right things too. Absolutely. I mean

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you first allude to hydrations. Obviously a

3:49

key principle for us, just making sure guys are

3:51

hydrated throughout the day. And

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yeah, I mean guys, the biggest one of the biggest principles

3:56

for us is that we call energy balance, and so we're

3:58

talking about its calories in, calories

4:00

out, and we're just making

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sure these guys have the availability of food

4:04

and all the resources they need to maintain

4:06

their weight. Like I said, you could have a guy that

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might need to eat let's say three thousand

4:11

calories a day to maintain weight, and you might have another

4:13

guy that needs six thousand calories to maintain weight.

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So you have to make sure that those both of those

4:18

guys have the same resources that they need to get that

4:20

done. And so it's just kind of an

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ongoing process to making sure those guys are maintaining

4:24

the ideal body weight. And we put a lot of

4:26

time and effort into coming

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up with those ideal weight ranges for each player

4:31

specifically, So we try to make sure that those guys

4:33

can stay in there and they have what they what they

4:35

need to do. It you want them to eat

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at Novacare rather than going

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off on their own. If they go off on their own,

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they're twenty five year old guys, they might

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not be putting the best stuff in their bodies right.

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And on the same end of that too,

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is we do you know, we do understand that

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we can't be so stringent all the time, and

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so we give these guys fun foods all the time.

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And like you said, we want them to eat at

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our place, because even if you're doing let's say you're doing a fried

5:00

chicken sandwich, at least we can use the oil we want,

5:03

the chicken that we want, and so we

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can source these still really good ingredients and

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it still can be a fun food that tastes good for the guys.

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So we want them to eat at Novee Care as much

5:12

as possible. And I think our colinary team does

5:14

a phenomenal job. We highlight

5:16

players we have. We'll let players pick

5:18

their favorite meal. Sometimes we'll do grill nights.

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We just try to keep it, try to keep it fresh because you

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know, you know, twenty three weeks the guys

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eating the same stuff. You gotta kind of keep it refreshed.

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Why is it important when players come off the

5:30

field to get something in their bodies quickly?

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Yeah? I mean, you know, on the practice fielder in

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the weight room, you're really breaking down. You're stressing

5:37

the body, which is what we want to do. But then

5:39

to adapt to that stress, you have to have

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to put nutrition in, and

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so coming off the field is a perfect

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opportunity to put in protein, high

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quality protein to help rebuild soft

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tissue and muscle, and then also

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put in some of the carbo hydrate to refuel and

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kind of put gas back in the tank. And

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then you know, trying to target the inflammation,

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making sure guys are getting too sore with some of the fruits

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and vegetables and some of those healthy foods. Is it

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a tough sell with players? I

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think you have guys across the whole spectrum. You

6:07

guys have guys that are super locked in you guys

6:10

have you got guys that come from really

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good collegiate programs that have really good nutrition

6:14

programs, and they're already bought in, and

6:16

then you kind of got so you got you also got

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guys that have maybe never taken nutritionals

6:20

seriously, and they might be ten years in the

6:22

league, and you know, so at that point, you really just

6:24

meeting those guys in the middle and being a resource

6:27

for them when you need them. And then you got a lot of guys in the middle

6:29

that still have a lot to learn, that are trying

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to adopt better practices,

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and I think, um, yeah, you kind of just gotta feel

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out when guys come in where they're at, and

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I think once they're here at novicare they

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can really see the presence of nutrition. It's hard not to

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buy in too much. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine you get a

6:45

lot of feedback. Yeah, absolutely, It's it's always

6:47

cool. It's always reassuring for us when guys come

6:50

from different schools or different teams and things like that

6:52

and they complement our program. And again that's

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just the hats off. Obviously, we're very lucky

6:56

to have the resources we do and

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Philly just to kind of give guys what they need. So

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Mike, you you actually take an individual study

7:03

of each player and really

7:05

break down each player and kind of formulated

7:08

program individually. Absolutely, it

7:10

starts with I mean, obviously it starts when the guys come out

7:12

of the combine and or even a free agent that's

7:14

coming over from another team. Is we look

7:16

at a lot of different anthropometric

7:19

measurements and things like that to dictate what an

7:21

ideal body weight is

7:23

for that player. And then at that point we

7:25

meet and we can come up with not only a hydration

7:28

plan, but a fueling nutrition plan for those guys

7:30

to make sure that they stay in that range.

7:32

Because we'll do we do body composition testing,

7:35

we do weigh ins, so we try to keep guys

7:37

accountable to where they're at. And so if

7:39

a guy's struggling with that, that's our place obviously

7:41

to help them. This is new school stuff. I mean,

7:44

I'm old school football. People

7:46

probably don't really want

7:48

to buy into this. Why why do the Eagles want to buy

7:50

into this? I mean, we'll always forward thinking and

7:52

that comes from obviously mister Larry at the top and how

7:55

innovative he is and how progressive he is with

7:57

this thinking, and so obviously there's a lot of pressure

7:59

on us as former staff, which it's good pressure,

8:01

um to make sure we're at the forefront of all this and

8:04

to make sure we're coming up with

8:06

new ideas and things like that that can help

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our team and give us a competitive advantage. So

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who's involved. I know it's going to be a collaborative effort,

8:12

not just with nutrition but also the performance staff,

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the medical staff. Is it all just everybody

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kind of think tanking this absolutely. I mean it

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starts obviously at the top, but then in

8:22

our performance staff, you know, our VP of

8:24

Performance Ted Wrath obviously has has oversight

8:26

of all these things, and he does a great job of

8:29

collaborating with us and giving us autonomy within our

8:31

own kind of our own departments. But we obviously all

8:34

are collective, and I think there's

8:36

really really great communication between the performance

8:38

side and the medical side. Now I

8:41

think there's kind of this ever ever streaming communication

8:43

we're on. We're only feet from each other, so in

8:45

terms of even logistically, we're in a really good place

8:47

in the building. And

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then obviously then it kind of you know, funnels

8:51

up to the coaches position. Coaches and obviously the head

8:54

coach, general manager. UM, so everybody's

8:56

kind of in this together, and not to mention personnel

8:58

when we're talking about the comm behind and free agents

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and things like that. How did you get into this? Into this business?

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How into this field? So I actually started

9:05

as a business degree. I got a

9:07

business degree from University of Kansas. Originally

9:09

didn't really have any interest in this

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at all, and then once I was a senior in school,

9:14

I really just I started reading about nutrition

9:16

and started adopting nutritional principles in my

9:18

own life, and I could see objective

9:21

changes, and I just it like blew my mind that,

9:23

you know, out of all these things in this world that we don't

9:25

have control over, nutrition

9:27

and training and some of those things that we do we

9:29

can't have control over. And so once I could

9:31

start seeing gains in the

9:33

gym and improvements in body

9:36

composition and things within myself, I just found

9:38

it so fascinating, and I went down a

9:40

rabbit hole and actually found that I could, you

9:42

know, do training and nutrition and things like that as

9:44

a career. And then it kind of just went from there.

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Are you finding that every NFL team

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does what the Eagles do? I

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would say when I

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started as a full time dietitian,

9:55

I think there was probably about half of

9:57

the teams had a full time r D. And

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how I believe there's almost

10:02

twenty nine or thirty teams that have full times.

10:04

And the cool thing about Philly is we have

10:06

two full time rds. And so there's a handful

10:09

in the league now that have seven or eight full time Richard

10:11

Dietitians. And so when you look,

10:13

you know, I think Philly again is at the forefront.

10:16

We were one of the first teams to have two full

10:18

time rds on staff, which again

10:20

just goes to show how important the organization

10:22

finds that piece. But I think

10:24

when you look five to ten years down the road, I'm

10:26

sure every team's gonna have a couple ards.

10:29

Just the kind of progression of the field challenging

10:32

to be here? Or was the

10:34

road trips to Cleveland in Miami

10:37

good training grounds every road trip, I mean, every time

10:39

we go to a hotel on the road, you have nutrition

10:41

stations. So I think when I

10:43

look back at my time here, one of the trips

10:46

that really prepped us a lot

10:49

was London. I think that was such a logistically

10:52

challenging trip for everybody in football.

10:54

Ops. I think we learned a lot about how

10:56

much do we need to pack, what do we need to pack, what do we need to think

10:59

about when we're doing these long trips. And

11:01

then obviously, you know, the Super Bowl five years ago

11:04

was almost a replica in terms of the week, and

11:06

so we learned a ton from that. So we look back at

11:08

all our notes and all those types of things to help

11:10

us. But really it's just logistically

11:13

just making sure you're thinking of the

11:16

hotel, you're also thinking of where we're practicing,

11:18

and you're just trying to keep guys on their same

11:21

routine as much as possible, and it's important for us

11:23

to provide them the exact same things that they could get

11:25

an overcare. We don't want anything sing out of the routine.

11:28

So it's game day, What does an athlete need

11:30

to put in his body? What does the football player

11:33

need to put his body before a game? Yeah, I mean, I think

11:35

the biggest thing is, you know, we're

11:37

talking about fuel and we're talking about carbo

11:39

hydrate intake specifically because of

11:41

these players. They run off carbo hydrate, they run

11:43

off sugar that gets that

11:45

gets turned into atp which is your energy source,

11:49

and so guys really need to fuel up with carbra hydrate.

11:51

So when you look at pregame meal, which is the

11:53

most important meal on a game day, we do

11:55

a lot of heavy carbo hydrate rice,

11:57

Pasta's, potatoes, things like that, and really trying

11:59

to get that in to guys. And then obviously

12:02

the hydration piece, not only in fluids,

12:04

but the electric life, the sodium,

12:06

the chloride and things like that. And then once

12:08

they get to the stadium, we have a ton of different nutritional

12:10

items for them immediately pre game

12:12

when they come off the field, obviously a half times a huge

12:15

time to fuel and so

12:17

again I think those are the two biggest ones per game

12:19

day and Super Bowls of thirty minute a half time.

12:21

So it's going to be a different experience for you,

12:24

absolutely, and that's we definitely take that consideration

12:26

when we talk about the quantities we have in the

12:29

in the locker room, and it's a conversation we

12:31

try to have with players ahead of time, and

12:33

again and Ted and the coaches and everybody's

12:35

done a great job laying out our halftime. We actually have

12:37

a halftime schedule that's very specific.

12:40

There's a nutrition fueling piece built

12:42

into that, and so you know, we've got

12:44

to be super proactive in the locker room making sure those

12:46

guys are getting what they need, because, like you said, it's a

12:48

lot longer of a game. By the time

12:50

from some guys that we pregame meal

12:52

and to the end of the game, it could probably almost be seven

12:55

eight hours. So we got to be really smart strategic

12:57

how we fuel the guys at the stadium.

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All right, So Mike is really running

13:03

this program with Stephanie Coppola, as he

13:05

referenced, now it's time to talk to Stephanie, the

13:08

assistant Performance and nutrition coordinator

13:10

for the Eagles, and she does a great job and

13:12

she explains her role and the

13:14

players and their feedback and what it all means.

13:17

Here we go, Stephanie Coppola, take a listen.

13:19

Fascinating stuff. I'm

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always taking Stephanie, And I was talking to Mike about this.

13:24

When I bring people into the building or they're doing tours

13:27

and they see you, or there's media

13:29

and they see the players coming off the field, the first thing

13:31

to do is go to the shape the shap station. And

13:33

I think people kind of don't understand the value

13:36

of that and like it's like it's like the oasis

13:38

in a desert. For a player, they come off the field and

13:40

the first thing they see as you, So

13:42

what are you? What are you giving them? What do you what

13:45

is the essence of what you're giving them? Do you

13:47

feel like you're Everything is extremely

13:50

specific to that player. Yes, So

13:52

what we do is after working

13:55

out or practice, the first thing that

13:57

they need to do is try to start recovery

13:59

as soon as POSSI will just so

14:01

we do different fruits that have different antioxidants,

14:04

so that will help with the inflammation, especially

14:06

later on in the season when they're now

14:08

what we're in twenty three weeks.

14:11

Later on, they're gonna just have inflammation. So whatever we

14:13

can do and as soon as possible, it's

14:15

just better for their body. And so antioxidants

14:17

in those fruits, and then the fruits and milk

14:21

and everything like that has carbohydrates,

14:23

and so your body needs carbohydrates

14:25

to help with their recovery process.

14:28

And so that's that portion.

14:30

But then there's also the protein and so your body

14:32

is breaking down and the muscles are breaking down as

14:34

you're lifting and as you're out of practice, So

14:36

putting in that quick carbohydrates

14:39

and protein

14:41

into their body will start that recovery

14:43

process and they're able to then

14:47

go in shower, do everything. But they

14:49

know that they're already starting their recovery right then, So

14:51

even if they go into the cafeteria an hour later,

14:54

they're already on the road to recovery

14:56

as soon as they get off the field. And so we do

14:59

switch it. Each player gets it

15:01

based off of their gaining weight, losing

15:03

weight, maintaining will change, will adjust

15:06

it, so it is to that person as

15:09

much as we can, and

15:11

every shake is you go

15:13

with every player, you say, hey, you want this in there that everything

15:16

is specific to that player. Yeah, So when

15:18

they first come to the

15:20

building, whether it is during

15:22

free agency, whether it's just during we

15:25

pick them up middle season, or

15:27

when they report for OTA Slash training

15:29

camp, I sit down and I have a piece of paper and I say,

15:31

Okay, what fruits do you want, what type of milk

15:33

do you want? What is your goal?

15:36

And so we'll just put that together based off of

15:38

all of that, So each individual player will be

15:40

able to help so they

15:43

have some preference into it, but then I also make the adjustments

15:45

based off of what's best for them. So I would

15:47

imagine, Stephanie, there are players who've been in the league a long

15:49

time and they were in places they didn't have this kind

15:51

of attention and care. Has

15:54

it been a hard sell any in

15:57

any way with any guys, like or do they immediately

15:59

buy in? I'd say

16:01

for the most part, everyone buys in just because

16:04

it's a recovery shake where they don't have

16:06

to do anything. They literally just come pick it up and they're

16:08

good to go, and it, like we said, it is individualized

16:11

for them. So for the most part, a lot

16:13

of the guys are good to go, and

16:15

especially like you said, some guys come from

16:17

different teams and they don't have it. I remember Brett Kurrn's

16:19

first day. I laid it all of my cups right

16:22

before practicing. He goes, what are you doing. I go, oh,

16:24

making recovery shakes. He's like, you

16:26

do all of those? And I said yeah, and so

16:28

he was like, I've never had that before. And

16:30

so for most part, like I said,

16:32

it is really easy buying. But there are

16:35

a few guys that

16:37

don't like fruit or they

16:39

don't like certain flavors, and so

16:41

it is a little bit tricky with them. So

16:43

we'll just come up with a different solution, and I'm

16:45

all for if they want to just eat some food afterwards,

16:48

they don't have to do with recovery shake, and so

16:50

we do work with them of just what's

16:52

best for their body. With all the programs

16:55

that you and Mike put together, do you find

16:57

that you're getting a lot of great feedback from from

16:59

guys during the course of the season, Oh,

17:01

definitely. I think guys will come up to be

17:03

like, hey, can I change this? Or hey,

17:06

like, for example, are just

17:08

pavot a little bit like our cafeteria amazing.

17:11

Guys come in and they're like, I've never

17:13

had anything like this, or they're

17:15

like guys order door Dash all

17:17

the time for lunch because they don't like the food in there. So

17:20

that's one thing that myself and

17:22

James and Eric and our whole culinary

17:24

staff have done a great job with getting the guys

17:26

to buy into the nutrition because the food is

17:28

so good. And so as the season

17:31

goes on and guys come in and

17:33

out of the building, I think it's really

17:35

easy to sell nutrition base

17:37

of all all of that. So how much proud do you have, Stephanie

17:40

that we're here in the Super Bowl and the team is really

17:42

playing well and we finished games strong,

17:44

and guys, we entered the

17:46

Super Bowl healthy. I mean, I

17:48

think it's amazing. It takes everyone

17:50

to do it. So it's the guys doing

17:52

there what they need to do throughout the entire

17:55

season, the medical staff, the strength

17:57

staff, nutrition, It all builds into each

17:59

other. But as long as everyone's

18:01

doing their part, it definitely pays off.

18:04

And like you said, we're here in the Super Bowl, and

18:06

so it is really awesome to get to see

18:08

all of your hard work paying off. And injuries

18:11

are really low right now, and so it's just it's

18:13

cool to get to see all of those things

18:15

that you're putting in day in and day out, and

18:17

then the final result is where we wanted

18:20

to be. How'd you get into the business. So

18:23

I started off

18:25

here as an intern actually, and

18:28

I after my nine month programs.

18:30

It's with Gatorade. They partner with this

18:33

organization called CPSDA, which is

18:35

Collegiate and Sports Dieticians Association,

18:38

and so a lot of sports

18:40

dieticians are a part of that organization, and as

18:42

a student, I was a part of it. And when

18:44

I finished my dietetic internship, which is

18:46

what we have to do to become a dietitian to sit

18:48

for the board exam. I didn't know what I wanted

18:50

to do, so I applied for the internship and

18:53

luckily, Mike with Eagles, he

18:55

applied to have an intern and

18:57

so I was like, that would be amazing. So he

18:59

interviewed me. Thought I did

19:01

a great job. He wanted me. I wanted to come here,

19:03

so we match and I came here. But when my

19:05

program ended in March, they said, you

19:07

can stay on with us until June. But

19:11

after that, because it's been one year, we're not allowed to

19:13

keep you on any longer. So that's okay. I'd rather stay

19:15

for a couple more months. And then they actually pulled me aside

19:18

and said, Steath, you do a great job. We want to hire

19:20

you full time. So they change my intern

19:22

position into a full time position. So that

19:24

was really awesome, getting to see all

19:27

of my hard work got to pay

19:29

off and I got to stay. And and let's be honest,

19:31

when a lot of these guys, when they come out of college,

19:34

they've been eating really lousy food, like

19:36

they must feel the different right away when they are fed

19:39

good food that's good for them. Oh,

19:42

absolutely, Like I said when

19:44

we are culinary staff does an

19:46

amazing job, and so when they come

19:48

in, they're like, Wow, I don't want to

19:50

eat other foods. I want to eat this. And we do a

19:52

great job of balancing the

19:55

maybe what's called as unhealthy

19:57

and quotation marks foods and those like

20:00

junk food Friday exactly. And so we

20:02

do a great job of trying to have

20:04

that but then balancing it with those cleaner

20:06

foods and those healthier foods, especially

20:09

because we're feeding the entire building, not just

20:11

the players, so we have to accommodate everyone's

20:13

likes and dislikes. But guys will leave

20:15

on off days and then they'll come back

20:17

into the building just because they want to eat the

20:19

food, and so having the guys bought

20:21

in because of that is just an amazing

20:23

feeling. Final question for you stay being

20:25

here, has it been challenging in any way

20:28

or has it been kind of very smooth? So

20:30

far it's been really smooth. It's more so the week

20:33

leading up to coming out here is where

20:35

that's all of the packing. We packed

20:37

every snack that we have at the facility. We

20:40

packed the different drinks that we have

20:42

over there. So just packing for the hotel, for the practice

20:44

facility, for the stadium for game

20:46

day, making sure that everybody

20:48

has everything that they might need. That's

20:51

more so of the whole

20:53

week before getting everything ready, and then especially

20:55

because we're all the way in Arizona, the truck

20:57

had to go out Thursday morning, and so making

20:59

sure we went from Monday till

21:01

Wednesday night packing and doing everything. But once

21:04

right here, everything smooth sailing. Our

21:07

football ops and

21:10

team travel they've done a great

21:12

job with getting everything situated and so it's

21:14

been smooth sailing since being here so far. Knock

21:16

on one that nothing changes, all

21:19

right, that we'll do it for this episode of Eagles Insider

21:21

Podcast presented by Lincoln Financial Group, Eagles

21:23

Insider Dave spidero with you back

21:26

for our final daily podcast of the

21:28

week tomorrow, and we're going to break

21:30

it down Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs

21:32

super Bowl fifty seven on Sunday. It

21:35

just can't get here fast enough.

21:37

Thanks so much to Peter Kelly and Kiera Mahoney for putting

21:39

it all together, Thanks to Ray Doyle for his work throughout the

21:41

season, and of course thanks to all of you for

21:44

joining each and every episode. Eagles

21:46

insider Dave Spidero here, thanks for joining everyone,

21:48

have yourselves a great Eagles Day. Fly Eagles,

21:51

fly, and go birds