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bonds. Hello
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I'm your host, Ora Ogunbiyi. Every
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weekday we provide a fresh perspective
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on the events shaping your world.
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States everywhere from Bhutan to
1:00
Honduras are trying to build
1:02
shiny new cities. But
1:05
how many adjust the experiments of
1:07
vain, glorious billionaires? Can
1:09
any of these planned developments actually rise
1:11
above existing ones? And
1:15
our correspondent takes us to the
1:17
archive of retail star, Marx and
1:20
Spencer. It turns out that
1:22
knickers and cardigans can reveal quite a lot about
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Britain's social history and even
1:27
help solve crimes. First
1:35
up though... It
1:42
has been called one of the biggest
1:44
financial frauds in American history. In
1:48
November last year, a jury took
1:50
just four hours to convict Sam
1:52
Bankman-Friede, the former
1:54
boss of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX,
1:57
on seven complicated charges. Sam
2:00
Bankman Freed had been found guilty
2:03
of the charges. There were seven counts,
2:05
including wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire
2:08
fraud, as well as conspiracy to commit
2:10
money laundering, and a number of others.
2:12
Following FTX's collapse, $8
2:16
billion of its customers' money was
2:18
unaccounted for. And today, in
2:20
a New York federal court, Mr.
2:22
Bankman Freed, also known as S.B.F.,
2:25
is due to be sentenced. He
2:27
maintains that he did nothing wrong, blaming
2:30
accounting mistakes for the missing money. But
2:33
the jail time facing the 32-year-old former
2:36
king of crypto could be harsh.
2:39
The sentencing that is due today
2:42
essentially marks the completion of
2:44
the downfall of Sam Bankman
2:46
Freed, excluding any appeals that
2:48
he might file. Alice
2:51
Forward is our Wall Street correspondent
2:53
and the co-host of Money Talks,
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our podcast on business and finance.
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This is essentially the last step
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in his conviction. Before
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the collapse of his empire, he
3:05
was fabulously wealthy. He was the
3:07
leading whiz kid of the crypto
3:09
industry. He was hobnobbing with politicians
3:12
in the White House and celebrities, and
3:14
he lived this extremely glamorous life. Today,
3:16
he could face as much as 110
3:18
years in prison. Now,
3:21
his own lawyer has described this
3:23
possibility as grotesque, and
3:26
it's not the sentence that prosecutors
3:28
are seeking. They've asked for between 40 and
3:30
50 years. Meanwhile,
3:32
in their defense filings, Sam Bankman
3:34
Freed's lawyers have argued for just
3:37
six. Okay,
3:39
before we get onto the sentencing, what
3:41
exactly was the fraud and conspiracy that
3:43
Sam Bankman Freed was found guilty of?
3:46
So Sam Bankman Freed ran a
3:48
cryptocurrency exchange called FCX. Customers would
3:50
deposit money, either dollars or cryptocurrency
3:52
in that exchange, and they could
3:55
then buy and sell crypto as
3:57
they pleased. The fraudulent
3:59
past... The is that Stx loans
4:01
at various points in his life
4:04
basically all of the customer money
4:06
that had been deposited with it
4:08
to a sister company which was
4:10
this it is trading firm or
4:13
had sudden that sound like were
4:15
treated Also founded cold elevator resets
4:17
and through Alameda resets Amendment Freedom
4:19
has made a losses investments seeds
4:22
to spend money on on property
4:24
he blood and money to employees
4:26
Stx but the precipitating of said
4:28
the downfall of Stx. Was the
4:31
revelation I coined desk of a
4:33
balance sheet of from Alamo. Their
4:35
ad eight revealed that essentially all
4:37
of our limited is valued was
4:39
message a tokens that had been
4:41
issued all created by Sub Bagman
4:43
Fried. It's as have had very
4:45
very few hard assets and that
4:47
had long been question marks about
4:50
the relationship between Stx in Alameda
4:52
and seeing this balance sheet seeing
4:54
that he he really didn't seem
4:56
to have much safer itself artist
4:58
misbegotten to lose confidence in Stx.
5:00
This article joy their sons and
5:02
eventually Sx suspended withdrawals a could
5:04
no longer pay out that people
5:06
who was coming set of money
5:08
back and Asia a few days
5:10
later filed bankruptcy with roughly eight
5:12
billion dollars of costs money missing.
5:15
When it went to trial, three
5:17
of his former colleagues to the
5:19
sound against him admitted fraud, sounded
5:21
very remorseful and at times distraught
5:23
by the actions that they had
5:25
played a role. Ads and see
5:27
a said that he had directed
5:29
them to. Do everything ahead
5:31
a tad. Oh. They really
5:33
threw him under the bus. So does
5:35
that mean that Spf is likely to
5:37
see the sentence? Can a said for
5:40
the maximum a hundred years than six.
5:43
They're. All sudden the things that might make
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you think that he would get a long
5:47
sentence One is that he really didn't a
5:49
d himself a tool to the jugs. He
5:51
repeatedly violated the rules of his release from
5:53
prison in the run up to the trials.
5:55
say with seized Vpn while he was on
5:58
house arrest is a contact with this. We
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always do in bankruptcy proceedings. He said
6:02
lot of things in public that with
6:05
and revealed in the trial not be
6:07
truthful. He showed the private diaries of
6:09
his ex girlfriend Caroline Ellison. he was
6:11
a witness, testified against him and he
6:14
read Alameda to the New York Times
6:16
and they published excerpts from them. So
6:18
the worst case scenario this is a
6:20
judge of looks it all this behavior
6:23
and wants to give him pointed long
6:25
sentence. The. Counter arguments: that which
6:27
is lose weight is that of
6:29
the money that was lost when
6:31
Stx it had bankruptcy in November.
6:33
Message to recoup that actually altering
6:35
pretty well stays in be arguing
6:37
that they will be a full
6:39
repayment of the money that was
6:41
lost when Stx went bankrupt. pets
6:43
the plus interest and so the
6:45
total home that has been done
6:47
to people from his crimes is
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actually much smaller than you might
6:51
have thought and smaller than in
6:54
others fraud cases of similar method.
6:56
She's. They will simply to
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other factors like that he's already
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says some time and he suffers
7:02
from autism and attention deficit disorder
7:04
and other conditions at a time
7:06
of. People seem
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to think that he will end up being given
7:10
a sentence of between twenty and and twenty five
7:13
they be says he is. that the range that
7:15
Lloyds I think into a people have commented publicly
7:17
on the case seems. think that he will gets.
7:20
That. You mention that some of customs money has
7:22
been repeats. How much are we talking here?
7:24
As. Of last August which was last time
7:27
he got an update from the bankruptcy team.
7:29
Stx have recovered about seven point eight billion
7:31
dollars in class and liquid crypto assets and
7:33
that does seem to be roughly the size
7:35
of the whole that was left the Dallas
7:38
he fled the country. Sales know this is
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partly been made possible by just finding more
7:42
assets and there were lots of Crypto Council
7:44
bank accounts that company had lost track of.
7:46
The have turned out to have assets in
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dense but I see what's it to the
7:51
that this is a C B B Hi
7:53
recovery rate is at a loss. of the
7:55
assets that they held have actually done very
7:57
well since they that between sweaty t So
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if you think about crypto, that $8 billion
8:02
in November of 2022, that was when Bitcoin
8:06
was worth maybe a sixth of its
8:08
current value. And creditors and
8:10
FDX, those who had bought crypto, bought Bitcoin
8:13
on the platform, will be paid back a
8:15
dollar amount. So because
8:17
crypto has gone up so much,
8:19
that is inflating the dollar value
8:21
of the crypto that was left. So
8:24
it does look as though most of the
8:27
money is going to be recouped. The problem
8:29
is that a lot of customers think about
8:31
their loss in terms of crypto, not in
8:33
terms of the dollar amount in November of
8:36
2022. And so
8:38
some customers even though, in theory, they're getting all
8:40
of their money back as of the dollar value
8:42
in November 22, they feel like they are being
8:44
shortchanged here. Because
8:46
now crypto is performing well. I
8:49
mean, it sounds like none of this has impacted
8:51
confidence in crypto markets. It
8:54
certainly did in the short term. So when
8:56
FDX collapsed, the price crypto fell
8:58
very sharply. And then about a
9:00
year after FDX failed, you also
9:02
saw a huge blow to FDX
9:04
rival Binance, which was fined by
9:07
the US government for its involvement
9:09
in money laundering and terrorist financing.
9:11
The CEO of Binance, Cheng Peng Zhao,
9:13
was forced to step down. The firm
9:16
is now being modest very closely. So
9:18
you said you had the two biggest
9:20
exchanges, either failing or facing huge challenges
9:22
in relatively quick succession. That
9:24
said, there are a lot of reasons why crypto might be
9:26
climbing again now. One is just interest rates
9:28
tend to move inversely with those and people
9:31
think that interest rates have peaked. The
9:33
other is that actually a lot of this close
9:35
scrutiny of crypto and regulators
9:37
and legal authorities getting involved.
9:40
There is an argument that's washed out
9:43
many of the problems in crypto and
9:45
the firms that are left are better
9:47
regulated and more compliant in general. There
9:49
have actually been some sort of positive
9:51
regulatory developments in crypto as well, which
9:53
might make it sort of easier for
9:55
more people to buy into it. So
9:58
the SEC recently approved the creation of. exchange-traded
10:00
funds that could hold Bitcoin. And there
10:02
have been huge infos into these funds
10:04
since January when they were created and
10:06
that seemed to have coincided with its
10:08
sort of most recent rise. So although
10:11
the failure of FTX was a huge
10:13
blow for crypto, it might ultimately be
10:15
good news for the industry that's left
10:17
behind. Alice, thank you
10:19
so much for coming on the show. Thank you, Ori. Always
10:21
a pleasure to be here. You've
10:34
seen the headlines. Bonds are making a
10:37
comeback. But if you've ever tried to
10:39
invest in bonds, you know what a
10:41
clunky, complicated, broken experience it can be.
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10:46
income and fixed it. Now you can
10:48
find, evaluate and buy thousands of bonds
10:50
with an investing experience designed in this
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century. Add fixed income
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to your portfolio with corporate,
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started. Full disclosures can be
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found at public.com/ bonds. All
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around the world, cities are
11:14
rising up. Egypt is preparing to
11:16
spend billions doubling the size of its lavish
11:18
new capital, the new desert. Get ready
11:21
for Touloza, a $400 billion
11:23
proposed smart city in the
11:25
United States. Saudi Arabia's $500
11:27
billion mega project, NEARM, which is being
11:30
built from the ground up, is tapping
11:32
Asian expertise. We're building in more cities
11:34
than at any time in the
11:36
post-war period. Ninety-one of them
11:39
have been announced in the past decade,
11:41
with 15 in the past year alone.
11:44
Bhutan just announced one new city,
11:46
Iraq has started building five, and
11:49
Donald Trump says he wants to
11:51
build ten so-called freedom
11:53
cities. In the
11:55
early stages, projects have attracted their fair
11:57
share of criticism, But
11:59
the sheer... the number and diversity of
12:01
these projects suggests that at least some
12:04
will take off. On
12:06
the face with building new city should be
12:08
a great thing. Called
12:10
in, Duncan writes about business and
12:12
finance for The Economist. Some economists
12:14
think the cities of mankind's greatest
12:16
inventions. When they work well, they
12:18
make us happier, healthier, richer, brainer.
12:21
And there are some really pressing
12:23
issues with our existing urban areas
12:25
that mean that building new cities
12:27
really make sense. But despite all
12:29
this today, city builders face a
12:31
pretty cold reception. Coven.
12:33
What does a critic same? Or
12:36
a as we know, governments around
12:38
the world today love industrial policy.
12:40
Answer some credit, Think this is
12:42
just another wasteful attempt at reshaping
12:45
economy using different phones. Others.
12:47
See these as quixotic projects by
12:50
Bangor is billionaires who are looking
12:52
for a legacy project. But.
12:54
These critics often overlooked the diversity of
12:56
the city's under construction. Today they tend
12:59
to focus on flashy project slide Saudi
13:01
Arabia's neon where the government is trying
13:03
to create this one hundred and seventy
13:06
climate along building that they sang who
13:08
wean themselves off with whale dollars that
13:10
trying to attract new industries and tourism,
13:13
manufacturing and financial services. Another example might
13:15
be El Salvador's plans to sell bonds
13:17
the pay out in bitcoin in order
13:19
to fund but they call a crypto
13:22
currency city but they're also lots of
13:24
less. Flashy protests and to this and
13:26
I spoke to Stephen Jennings to say
13:28
former private equity boss time developer. Bought
13:33
a lot. More.
13:36
Interested in our disposal? The city's
13:38
worth. Of
13:41
high quality lifestyle. Entire
13:44
to city outside Nairobi in Kenya,
13:46
he's trying to create infrastructure and
13:48
institutions that would make a place
13:51
say said both capital and people
13:53
say things like that. And
13:55
traffic controllers. he's
13:58
focusing on the more boring Okay,
14:01
you've talked so far about building new cities,
14:03
but how about improving our existing ones? Wouldn't
14:05
it be better to do that? Yeah,
14:08
Orey, I've spoken to lots
14:10
of architects and developers, and all of
14:12
them are very keen to insist that
14:14
they are not giving up on our
14:16
existing cities. But from Nairobi
14:19
to San Francisco, they
14:21
face a lot of the same
14:23
challenges. Those are planning regimes, infrastructure,
14:25
and existing shortages, which aren't keeping
14:28
pace with growing urban populations. Retrofitting
14:30
existing urban infrastructure can be really
14:33
slow, expensive, and it's a very
14:35
risk averse process. And
14:37
by building new cities, there's more
14:39
opportunity for experimentation. In some cases,
14:42
people are completely rethinking how society
14:44
operates within those cities. Interesting.
14:47
Who's doing that? One
14:49
of the more experimental projects is Telosa
14:52
City, which should be built somewhere in
14:54
the deserts of western North America. The
14:56
billionaire behind that project, Mark Law, claims
14:58
to want to do away with private
15:01
ownership of land. Instead, he wants to
15:03
hold land in a communal trust and
15:05
then use the funds from leasing that
15:07
land out to pay for public services
15:09
within the city. Some
15:11
of these cities really double as
15:14
social experiments, and the ideas range
15:16
from really sensible to
15:18
quite outlandish. And as you
15:21
say, some of these really are experiments.
15:23
How many of these new cities do
15:25
you think will actually prosper? City
15:28
building is really hard, and we are
15:30
very much out of practice. There
15:32
are lots of challenges. The upfront
15:34
costs can be staggering, and that involves
15:37
years of negative cash flow. And over
15:39
that time, money and enthusiasm for the
15:41
project can run out. For
15:43
example, work on Egypt's $60 billion
15:45
capital city has really slowed as
15:47
that country's economy falters. In
15:50
Malaysia, for a city which is being
15:52
built by a Chinese property developer is
15:55
complete, but the developer has now gone
15:57
into default, and the city remains mostly
15:59
closed. But history points
16:02
to some examples that have succeeded.
16:04
So we're thinking about Milton Keynes
16:06
outside of London, Reston outside of
16:08
Washington, DC, Chandigarh in India and
16:10
Brasilia in Brazil. They all
16:12
have pretty modest growth, but it's consistent
16:14
and people are voting with their feet.
16:17
More people want to live there. It's true that
16:19
these new cities are unlikely to become
16:21
the world leading cities that we know
16:23
like London and Singapore, but
16:25
it's worth remembering that some greenfield cities
16:28
have succeeded and they can
16:30
go on to become growing sustainable mid-tier
16:32
cities. As Stephen Jennings said,
16:35
the crucial thing is getting the boring
16:37
stuff right, roads, sewerage and the like.
16:40
Getting that infrastructure in place so that people actually want
16:42
to move there. One of the people
16:44
I interviewed for this story said that in order
16:46
for a city to be mixed use, mixed income,
16:48
it needs to be all use, all income.
16:51
And that means that you need to have the infrastructure
16:53
in place for people to want to move to that
16:55
new city. So even though some
16:57
of these cities might fail, and
17:00
even if we view all of these
17:02
new cities as experiments, all of them
17:04
are learning something new about mankind's greatest
17:06
invention and we should applaud them for
17:08
that. Morgan, thank you
17:10
so much for joining us. Thanks, everyone. Is
17:27
it a corpse? Or, to be
17:29
more precise, consider it pants. Catherine
17:32
Nixsey is a Britsom correspondent for The
17:35
Economist. When
17:38
the body was pulled from the North Sea in 1994,
17:41
almost all pleased with its identity had gone. One
17:44
or two things were still obvious. It was clear that the
17:46
man had been tall. He was six foot five inches.
17:49
That he had been well dressed. He had fancy
17:51
loafers on. And that whatever had led
17:53
to him bobbing around in the North Sea hadn't been
17:56
very nice. He had a head injury. But
17:58
dating his death was clearly going to be a problem. be hard. Except
18:01
for one thing, his underwear. Because
18:05
in his pants was a small white label.
18:08
It stated that they were medium, that
18:10
they were 100% cotton, and
18:12
best of all, that they were made by St Michael.
18:16
Suddenly there was hope. This was
18:18
not just a corpse. This
18:20
was an M&S court. This
18:26
matters because M&S, or
18:28
Marks and Spencers, is a British
18:30
retailer with a rich history, and that history
18:32
is contained in its own archive. The
18:35
first Cyber City centre in Leeds are
18:38
72,000 items. 3,300 of them are clothes. On rails and
18:40
on shelves, in ghostly white
18:46
suit covers, and in boxes filled with
18:48
tissue paper, lie a nation's
18:50
castor. There
18:53
are jumpers and cardigans, suits and
18:55
romper suits, leggings and jeggings, bed
18:57
jackets and bras. And above all,
19:00
because this is not just an archive, this
19:02
is an M&S archive, there are pants. There
19:05
are tiny pants and startlingly enormous pants. There
19:07
are silky pants and bustlingly woolly pants.
19:10
There are lacy pants, racy pants
19:12
and supremely sensible pants. I,
19:15
went to look at some of these pants and
19:17
some of the other clothes that they held there
19:19
with the archivist Katie Cameron. These
19:22
are 1950s. They're amazing. They're sort
19:24
of enormous actually. They're incredibly brilliant.
19:27
I think it would
19:29
be nice. In
19:31
the 1920s, that whole
19:34
thing, we were talking
19:36
about flea cinecas, so they would have
19:38
been really, you know, really gorgeous. Oh
19:41
God, that's a more marathons than pants.
19:43
Yeah, with the added synthetic element
19:46
as well. So totally is
19:48
the word that you're looking for in Genesis early on,
19:50
isn't it? Pants
19:54
might seem trivial. They are not. Occasionally,
19:57
just occasionally, they're important to police here.
20:00
looking to solve crimes. So the
20:02
archive's detailed records and M&S's
20:04
date stamp labels can
20:06
help to date corpses. Here is
20:08
a top tip for murderers, cut the labels off your
20:10
corpse. Pants
20:12
are also extremely important to M&S.
20:15
The shop sells food and home accessories as well, but
20:17
it really is known for its underwear. Around
20:20
one in every four pairs of pants sold in
20:22
Britain today is bought there. So
20:25
for listeners in Britain there is a good chance that
20:27
you're sitting on a bottom that has been wrapped in
20:29
M&S clothing. And
20:31
though they might not see it, pants are
20:33
also important to British history because clothes and
20:35
how well they wear, and above all how
20:37
well they wash matter fundamentally to
20:40
women and M&S helps
20:42
to improve both. I
20:45
think it might be. One
20:48
of the things you notice when you go around
20:50
the archive is how much of it is synthetic
20:52
materials. There is rail after rail
20:54
of fabric such as nylon and rayon
20:56
and terra-line and crimp-line. These
20:59
sound comic to modern ears. In
21:01
fact they were of serious importance in easing
21:03
the daily burden of the British household. People
21:08
write a lot about labour-saving devices but
21:10
what people often forget is that you
21:13
need labour-saving materials which are often sturdy
21:15
synthetic ones to go in them. And
21:18
these fabrics, these rayons and terra-lines and so on,
21:21
freed women up as one expert told me. Because
21:23
long before women were liberated by burning
21:26
their bras they were liberated by being
21:28
able to pop them in the twin tub and
21:30
let them drip dry without earning. I
21:40
actually found going to the archives in Leeds
21:42
an oddly moving experience. One
21:46
of those things that captures women's history and the
21:48
loss of women's history is in fact
21:51
just washing. At
21:55
first sight it feels like any other archive but
21:57
if you open its boxes another world immediately
21:59
appears. In one box
22:01
there's a beautiful 1940s pink, silk
22:03
and bra and it comes like a stuffed tissue
22:06
paper as if almost by a ghostly bosom. On
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a nearby rail there are dressing gowns, one
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of them is post-war and woolly, one is
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diaphanous and 1970s. One
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has the kind of paisley-ish Britain that
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the stern 1950s father might have worn.
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Each of them is almost unbearably evocative of
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Britons have an minister and clean coat again.
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