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those of you who have not had the joy
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of peanuts and cracker jack, let me just tell
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you that baseball is central to the American self-conception.
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Other sports are more popular, like
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American football, but baseball is
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the one called America's pastime, the
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one that feels more elemental somehow.
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Also, cracker jack is caramel-coated popcorn.
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It's nice. Now, lots
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of other countries love baseball, like
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Japan, South Korea, lots of Caribbean
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nations, and, of course, America's
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neighbor to the South, a
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neighbor with whom relations have been strained
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recently, to put it lightly. They're
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sending prisoners, murderers, drug dealers, mental
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patients, and terrorists, the worst they
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have in every country all over the world. This
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isn't just in South America. The
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border will be a deciding factor in the
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American election this year. It's constantly
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in the spotlight, the crack
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through which so many Americans only see
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illegal migrants and drugs and violence spilling
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in. But
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you know what else is coming and going all the time with
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no trouble at all? A Mexican baseball team. I'm
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Jason Palmer and this is the Weekend
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Intelligence. My
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colleagues Erin Braun and Sarah Burke come
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at the border from two perspectives, kind
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of literally. Erin is our
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West Coast correspondent and Sarah is our bureau
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chief from Mexico. They
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report all the time about the tensions
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that come into such sharp focus at
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that imaginary line and the societal
2:25
effects that stretch far from it. To
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consider Laredo in the American state
2:30
of Texas and Nuevo Laredo in
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the Mexican state of Tamaulipas, one
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urban region really split by an
2:37
international border. There, Erin
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and Sarah found a surprising story
2:42
of unity and a nostalgia for
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a time when the border brought people together
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more than it drove them apart. As
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soon as I enter a unitary
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stadium in Laredo, Texas, I feel
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at home. I'm
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pretty happy. This
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is like the ideal night
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for baseball, honestly. It's still early enough
3:18
in the season that like the nights
3:21
are cool, it's a little
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breezy, you've got a hot
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dog. What
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else could you want? A
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victory? Probably. I'm
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a big baseball fan. I
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grew up watching the Chicago Cubs play
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at Wrigley Field, which means
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I'm used to opening days in April
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where it's 40 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Occasionally, it even snows. If
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you've ever been to a minor league baseball
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game in the US, the stadium
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looks a lot like that, and tonight
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it's packed. There are so many
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people here that it took me 40... minutes
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to buy a hot dog. They
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just need a two-run homer, so fans are on
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their feet. They were super loud and the tickles
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are back in the game now. It's
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only three to two, they're down only one. I'm
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pleading in line for a hot dog so I miss the
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home run, which is sad. It's
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embarrassing. This
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crowd is way more rambunctious than
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your standard Cubs game. Because
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the pace of baseball is pretty slow,
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Major League games are perfect for
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catching up with friends and lounging
4:33
around. But in Laredo,
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things are rowdier. Oh, another
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foul ball into the Sam. It's
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right after the seventh inning stretch and
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the tickles are still behind, despite that
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home run. But suddenly, they
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start to turn things around. Oh,
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we hit it! What did you do? We were
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going to score two! Penny,
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score! And they go on to win.
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They win on opening night and it's the
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perfect way to start the season. The
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Teclotes de los Nocerados are a baseball
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team worth following in their own right.
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They think they've got what it takes to
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win the Mexican League Championship this year, which
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they haven't done since 1989. But
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I haven't come to Laredo to talk about
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baseball. Not really. Los
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Teclos are the only pro baseball team
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in the world that plays home games
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in two countries. I feel it's
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a privilege. We're
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the only ones in the world that have something like this,
5:37
that get to play in two countries. And
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it's wonderful because it represents the two
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cities, the two fan bases, the Mexican
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side and the Laredo-Texas side. You
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have to make sure that you're making both of them happy
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when you're playing. It sounds
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nice, right? A vision of
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harmony on the border that Americans in
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particular are not used to hearing. And
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that's a big part of the reason why... Aaron
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and I wanted to come here, to
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Laredo and Nuevo Laredo. We
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all hear so much about the border, especially
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in election year for both the US
6:09
and Mexico. And we
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wanted to find out how people who live
6:13
here experience it every day, and how
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that's changed since we all became so fixated
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on it. And
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it has changed. The connection
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between Los Dos Laredos over the
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last two decades has become strained
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by drug trafficking and gang violence,
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by the migration crisis, and
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by Donald Trump. But Los
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Tecos keep going in spite of all of this.
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So we've come here to tell a story
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of the Fronterisso way of life, of
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what it's like to belong to the lands on the
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border. It's a story
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about unity that's fraying around the edges.
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Are Los Tecos only a gesture to a
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more unified past, or could they
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be a glimpse of a Fronterisso future? So
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my father would pick me up from school after, you know, and
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then we would drive straight here. So I would spend my whole, you know, I
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would come here, go to the locker room, change
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into my uniform, and I would just hang out
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and play with the, you know, play on the
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field or with the players, and, you know, and
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during the game, I would just hang out
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and play with the, you know, play on
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the field or with the players, and, you
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know, and during the game, I would be
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in the dugout with the team, you know,
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and sometimes I would run out here. It's
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a warm evening a couple of weeks after
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opening day when I come to
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Parque La Junta, the Tecos Stadium in
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Nuevo Laredo. Unlike Heron,
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I'm not a baseball fan, or not as
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baseball as a game, but
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I love it as an experience. I've
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been in Mexico City, where I live, and
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also in Japan, where I used to, and
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even in Cuba. Tonight, I've
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come here to meet the team's
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general manager, Cuitlawa Rodriguez. The
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modest stadium is slap bang in the centre
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of Novo Laredo. It's a
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landmark for everyone here, but no more
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than for him. You
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know, right there where we have
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the portable store, that
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used to be a stand of
8:16
popcorn and fruit stand that my grandmother
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used to run. Kuitlauak grew
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up in the stadium, playing
8:22
around and even performing for the crowd,
8:25
a bit like a mascot. The
8:27
first baseman, back then it was
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Andres Mora, he wouldn't just
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toss me the ball up back. He would
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throw it up as high as he could,
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so then I would be trying to catch a
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fly ball, and then the crowd would
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see it and then everybody would start like, whoa!
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And then I would catch it, people would clap. So
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I was a little bit of a show in
8:49
between innings here. How old were you then? I
8:53
was between
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six and nine
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years old, I guess I did that whole show. Kuitlauak's
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father, Chito, is a legend
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in Mexico's baseball world. He
9:09
used to manage the tecos, not
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short for the teco-lotes, which means
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owls, because they were one of
9:16
the first teams to play at night. They
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won the league championship under his leadership.
9:21
The Mexican league used to find and
9:24
defend young Mexican talents and
9:26
connect those players to teams in the
9:29
United States, that big brother
9:31
that looms so large in Mexico's history
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and process. That's
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what Kuitlauak's father was so good at
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doing. That's
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my father, right there. That
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plaque right there, the first one
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in the bottom row, the first one. You
9:47
look alike, you can tell each other.
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I mean, like your younger. I hope
9:54
so. in
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Nuevo Laredo. From 1947 until
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2003 they played in Parque La Junta, but that team was transferred
10:09
to Tijuana. In
10:11
the 2000s the tecos spent a few years
10:14
here and there in the border cities and
10:17
in 2017 they came back for good.
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That's when Chara Mansour, the current owner,
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moved a team he owned in Veracruz
10:24
to Los Dios Laredos. It's
10:27
really unique right to have the
10:29
only team in the world that has two
10:31
hometowns in two different countries and
10:34
then the opportunity to be able to make
10:36
more business. You have two stadiums to run
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out, you have not two
10:40
different fans but two fan bases after
10:42
all, one in Laredo and one in
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Nuevo Laredo. We're
10:46
sitting in Chara's office at Uni Trade
10:49
Stadium in Laredo. Chara is
10:51
energetic, he's smiling the entire time
10:53
we're talking and he's really proud
10:55
of what he's built. When
10:58
he moved the tecos back to Laredo and
11:00
the team had a skeleton staff he
11:02
drove the team bus himself and
11:04
Chara's family is a baseball dynasty.
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So for like probably three or four
11:10
years we were running uh four
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teams out of the 16. My
11:15
dad, my brother, and my twin brother are me
11:18
and then my dad's brother, my uncle, he
11:20
was still running the diablos. Chara
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has the energy of a salesman and
11:25
his product is this bi-national baseball team.
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He makes it all sound so easy but
11:31
I keep thinking about the logistical
11:33
challenges of playing on the border. Do
11:36
you worry at all about increased
11:38
border security and how that might make
11:40
things harder? Not
11:44
at all because as a state we are
11:46
in compliance with all
11:48
the requirements that uh
11:51
that it has been needed and for
11:54
the cities for both cities and for both
11:56
countries our tecos is a good example of
11:59
how things can work if you do it right.
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The team's success, he tells me,
12:04
depends on playing in both cities.
12:07
It is a city that makes a difference for
12:09
people to attend to a stadium. What
12:11
do you mean by that? The city that makes a difference?
12:14
Well, if you have a team in Monterrey, you know,
12:16
Mexico City. Oh, because they're so much bigger, you mean?
12:18
Yeah, Guerminaj has five million people living there. We have
12:20
here about 300,000. Yeah.
12:23
And Monterrey has five million, and you know,
12:26
Mexico City, 20 million. So it helps to have
12:28
the two... It helps a lot.
12:30
It helps a lot, and that's probably one of
12:32
the best things that it helps with the fans.
12:34
But if we were only one of these cities,
12:36
Valerio, Novo Laredo, I didn't think we'd
12:38
be any successful at all. Now
12:50
we're in San Agustin Plaza. This is the
12:52
first place that Laredo was established. So
12:55
if you look around here, this is a pretty
12:57
traditional Mexican plaza. Andrew Lasincharranco tells me
12:59
that Spaniards founded Laredo in 1755 on
13:01
the northern bank of
13:04
the Rio Grande. You have
13:06
the church, you'd have administration, and you'd
13:08
have shops around here. And
13:11
the old days, there would have been a convent right there too. So
13:14
San Agustin Plaza is really the heart and soul of
13:16
what Laredo is. It feels like a little bit like
13:18
Mexico here, and of course, it was a Spanish plaza.
13:21
Andrew's a Laredo native. He's a
13:23
real estate developer and an amateur historian.
13:26
He's also quite the character. Wear
13:29
the same age, 31, but he wears
13:31
a bow tie and a hat every
13:33
day. Today it's pushing
13:35
90 degrees, so he's got on a palm
13:38
straw hat to keep away that South Texas
13:40
sun, and a pocket square is
13:42
tucked neatly in his jacket. Throughout
13:45
its history, Laredo has been
13:48
governed by, seemingly, everyone. About
13:53
60 years after the Spaniards
13:55
established Laredo, Mexico
13:57
won its independence. became
14:01
part of Mexico. At
14:03
the time, Mexico included almost
14:05
all of the southwestern United
14:07
States, including California,
14:10
Nevada, Utah, Arizona,
14:12
New Mexico, and
14:14
Texas. For
14:16
about a decade beginning in 1836, Texas briefly governed
14:21
itself, but its borders
14:23
were different. The Republic of
14:25
Texas ended north of Laredo, the
14:28
southern part of modern-day Texas, where
14:30
Laredo is now, was
14:32
still part of Mexico's Tamaalipas state.
14:36
In the 1830s, a new president
14:38
was elected in Mexico. He
14:41
tried to unify and centralize the
14:43
country. This angered
14:46
Northerners, so they launched their
14:48
own independence movement. And
14:50
in 1840, Tamaalipas,
14:53
along with two other northern states,
14:56
seceded. They called
14:58
their new country the Republic
15:00
of the Rio Grande. Its
15:03
capital was Laredo. No one
15:05
ever really wanted us. The Mexicans don't want us because
15:07
we're Americans. The Americans don't want us because we're Mexican. So
15:10
we're the Republic of the Rio Grande for that
15:12
reason. How long did the Republic last?
15:14
11 months, and then the president defected and became a
15:16
colonel in the Mexican army. And
15:18
the vice president was beheaded and his head
15:20
was showcased around the Rio Grande and the
15:23
states that rebelled, which were Nuevo León,
15:25
Coila, and Tamaalipas. In
15:28
the 1840s, the United States and
15:30
Mexico went to war. The
15:32
fighting ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe de
15:34
Algo. The United States claimed
15:37
the southwest and drew a new
15:39
southern border, the Rio Grande. And
15:42
just like that, Laredoans became
15:44
Americans, and more specifically,
15:46
they became Texans. Understandably,
15:50
not everyone was happy
15:52
about that. Some
15:54
Laredo families decided they'd rather move south
15:57
than live in the United States. So
16:00
they crossed the river and settled on
16:02
what was at that point mostly ranch
16:04
lands. Some families even
16:06
exhumed the bones of their relatives so
16:08
they could rest in Mexico. And
16:12
Nueva Laredo, new Laredo, was
16:15
born. I'm
16:23
feeding a dollar bill into one of the
16:25
change machines that's going to give me my
16:28
one dollar token that I need to
16:30
pay it across to the Mexican side of the border.
16:33
Great. So
16:40
they're working on the border. Maybe
16:43
they're expanding it. Alright, I'm going to wait
16:46
now. I just went through the turnstile. I'm
16:48
right near the entrance to the
16:50
bridge. So
16:52
I might text the
16:55
team and tell them where we're at. Because
16:57
the tacos have two home stadia, one
16:59
on each side of the border, they
17:01
alternate between them. And
17:03
that means that the mourning of every game, a
17:06
handful of players are crossing the bridge, either
17:08
from Mexico to the US or vice versa. Most
17:12
players walk across because the queue for
17:14
cars can take hours. Okay,
17:18
I'll just head across to the bridge or
17:21
to come into other bridges. And
17:23
now I'm looking for Eduardo. Okay,
17:27
I see him. He's approaching.
17:29
Hola, que tao, como esta?
17:31
Muy bien gracias. There
17:35
are three main bridges that connect Laredo
17:37
and Nuevo Laredo. And one more about 40 minutes away.
17:42
One is just for trade that the trucks take,
17:44
one is for cars, and one is for
17:46
both cars and trucks. And then
17:48
there's this one that I'm on for pedestrians. We're
17:53
walking right over the river right now. Are you
17:56
so used to this that you are just
17:58
like, oh, another day, another day? Today
18:07
I'm crossing with Josh Rodriguez from Houston.
18:11
Having the option to play ball in the Mexican
18:13
League but still live in Texas is a huge
18:15
benefit for him. He likes the
18:17
comfort, the security, the familiarity of living
18:20
in the United States. He's
18:22
a veteran on the team and really
18:24
at ease walking across the border. The
18:27
team sends a van to pick up Josh and his
18:29
teammates on the Mexican side of the border. The
18:32
entire process from walking across the river
18:34
to getting into the van only takes
18:36
about 10 minutes. I
19:05
meet one of the team's applications,
19:08
Eduardo Luna on the Nuevo La Redo side
19:11
of the bridge. He's from
19:13
Monterey, Mexico, which is about three
19:15
hours away in a neighboring state.
19:18
Eduardo is really smiley and friendly.
19:20
He's open and very confident for
19:22
someone so young. He's
19:24
just 20 years old and he started playing for
19:26
the tacos when he was just 16 years
19:29
old. The
19:32
team lives in Nuevo La Redo at this point.
19:35
They are mostly Mexicans like him
19:38
or players from other Spanish speaking countries.
19:41
They live there because Mexico is cheaper
19:43
or it feels more like home or
19:46
they do not have visas to live in the United States.
19:50
Security is tighter on the American side.
19:53
There are agents stood halfway across the bridge
19:55
before we'd even reach passport control.
20:00
And they wave you through. And other
20:02
times they stalk you. And
20:05
you're headless. Do
20:12
you have a chance to go? Yes,
20:14
we got through quickly, but there are other days
20:16
where it can take an hour, hour and a
20:19
half to get through. Even
20:22
on a good day, like today, crossing
20:25
is unpredictable and cumbersome.
20:28
You get dropped off or parked on one side
20:30
and then have a car or taxi pick
20:32
you up on the other. Personal
20:34
control may have a line. You
20:37
may get your bag searched by customs. Crossing
20:40
by car one evening, as we did,
20:42
was a whole other ballgame. Many
20:44
more questions. These
20:46
communities never feel more divided than when
20:49
you're in line waiting to cross the
20:51
border. But it
20:53
wasn't always this way. Hi,
20:59
it's nice to meet you. I've heard a lot
21:02
about you. Nice to meet
21:04
you as well. If
21:06
you talk to people who grew up in
21:08
Laredo and Nueva Laredo, even up through maybe
21:11
the early 1990s, they
21:13
describe the border as something that they've always
21:15
crossed and easily, almost as if it weren't
21:17
the border. I remember we used
21:19
to come from school trips and we'd
21:21
just say, you a citizen at the border and that was it.
21:24
And sometimes they would ask you for, we used
21:27
to have like this little birth certificate, a little
21:29
version of our birth certificate, what it would say
21:31
that you were born in the United States. This
21:34
is Andrea Ordonez. She's
21:36
the manager of the Republic of
21:38
the Rio Grande Museum, which is
21:40
in Laredo. She was
21:42
born there, but she grew up in Laredo.
21:45
A lot of times on Sundays we would go to
21:47
the plazas to just walk around. And
21:50
they had little stands where they would tell like newspapers,
21:52
comic books, magazines and all of that. Andrea
21:54
moved back to Laredo in the early 2000s
21:57
when she was a teenager. She
22:00
has the kind of energy you'd
22:03
get from a teacher or a
22:05
librarian. She's warm, friendly, chatty, and
22:07
super passionate about telling other people
22:10
about Loredo's history. Her
22:12
uncle was actually a co-owner of the Tecos
22:14
for a while. I rarely remember
22:16
the games. I'm not big on
22:18
sports. What
22:21
I remember the most is after leaving
22:23
the game, we would, you know, there were
22:25
like the street vendors and we would eat,
22:27
you know, tacos or we would get like
22:29
raspados. When the Tecos first
22:31
started playing in Loredo back in the
22:34
1980s, they crossed the Italy team.
22:37
After the student Queen Laoak, the Tecos
22:39
manager who spent his childhood at matches
22:41
in Pake La Junta, told
22:44
me that the team used to simply bus play
22:46
as a cross. Back then
22:48
for the team to cross, the
22:50
players didn't really need visas. What we
22:53
would do is present a document to
22:55
customs of who
22:57
was on the bus. Customs would get
22:59
on the bus and verify that all
23:01
these people on the bus, nobody extra,
23:03
nobody less, nobody more. All
23:06
these people on the bus, okay, bus crosses. On
23:08
the way back, same thing. They
23:10
would verify everybody was on board and
23:13
boom, that was it. No, not
23:15
like today that you need visas and
23:17
passports and, you know, it was very,
23:20
very different back then. From
23:25
1985 until they left in
23:28
2004, the Tecos played about
23:30
a third of their home games in
23:32
Loredo. It was to make sure
23:34
Tecos fans who lived there could go to
23:36
as many games as possible. And
23:39
for extra publicity, news outlets
23:42
on the American side gave them more
23:44
media coverage. After
23:47
the end of the Mexican-American War with
23:50
the new border at the Rio Grande,
23:53
Nuevo Laredo and Loredo's economies
23:55
grew because of
23:57
their geography. the
24:00
border from Mexico City or
24:02
Monterrey through Nuevo Laredo and
24:04
into Texas, and it's slowed
24:06
the opposite way too. Ah
24:12
yeah, you hear the train going. Yes, I can
24:14
hear it. The
24:17
railroads were crucial to this. They
24:19
were built in the second half of
24:21
the 19th century, and if you visit
24:24
the municipal archives in Nuevo
24:26
Laredo, you'll find they're located in
24:28
the town's former railway station, which
24:30
is over a hundred years old. The
24:39
railway arrived when Nuevo Laredo was a
24:41
small town. Ten
24:43
years later, the government determined that
24:45
Nuevo Laredo at that point had
24:47
grown economically. It
24:49
had much more economic activity, and on top
24:52
of that, more residents. So,
24:55
Nuevo Laredo should have the status of a
24:57
city. Carlos
24:59
Zuniga, head of the municipal archives here,
25:02
is showing me photos of the town
25:04
from almost a century ago, and I
25:07
can still hear the trains going right by the
25:09
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the 20th century, there was a dream
25:50
of building one highway through the Americas.
25:53
It was never fully realized, but
25:55
highways were built roughly where it was
25:58
envisioned. Federal
26:00
Highway 85 in Mexico
26:02
runs from Mexico City through
26:04
Monterrey up to Nuevo Laredo.
26:08
On the US side of the border
26:10
it turns into Interstate 35, which
26:12
goes almost all the way up to Canada. In
26:17
the 1990s, NAFTA supercharged the
26:19
existing trade and Laredo
26:22
blossomed. Its population doubled
26:24
in size from 1990 to
26:26
today. The
26:28
economies of the two cities were
26:30
so intertwined that when the Mexican
26:33
peso crashed in 1994, Laredo
26:35
took a hit too. Supply
26:39
chain issues during the COVID-19 pandemic
26:41
and escalating tensions between the US
26:43
and China convinced some American firms
26:45
to move business closer to home,
26:48
nearshoring it's called. Mexico
26:51
and Laredo especially have
26:53
been beneficiaries of this. Last
26:56
year, Laredo surpassed Los Angeles to become
26:59
the number one port in the country,
27:01
judging by trade value. About 20,000 trucks
27:03
cross the city's bridges
27:06
each day. Sometimes the
27:08
lines of lorries stretch back miles
27:10
as drivers wait to cross. Firms
27:13
can't build warehouse space fast enough.
27:16
Laredo developed as the business center,
27:19
Nueva Laredo as the cultural one.
27:22
In this period there was a lot
27:24
of cultural activity. A
27:29
lot of people pursued careers
27:31
in acting, singing and well
27:33
here's the example, a large
27:35
theater. I glanced
27:37
around the room to see what else
27:39
is in this slightly random collection of
27:42
items, many donated by locals.
27:45
I saw over in a corner
27:47
a signed techos baseball bat and
27:49
ball encased in glass. This
27:52
team matters so much that their
27:54
equipment mixes into the archives. We
28:02
couldn't have a museum without this, right? The
28:05
baseball bat autographed by the Te Colotes.
28:08
Carlos makes me understand, really
28:10
feel, how the border is
28:12
so central to Nuevo Laredo's
28:14
identity. The city has
28:16
always been in Mexico, and people living
28:19
there feel strongly Mexican. But
28:21
it is also a melting pot. There
28:23
are Mexicans who came from other parts of
28:26
the country. There are Latin
28:28
Americans from other places who intended
28:30
to migrate to the United States
28:32
and ended up staying in Nuevo Laredo instead.
28:35
The city, Carlos tells me, has
28:38
a diversity and open outlook that comes
28:40
with being on the border. In
28:46
Laredo, the effects of being on the
28:48
border feel a little bit different. The
28:51
town used to be in Mexico. Many
28:54
Americans living there are of Mexican descent. Laredo
28:57
is 95% Hispanic, one
28:59
of the highest proportions of a major
29:01
city in the US. And
29:03
everyone speaks Spanish, or at least
29:06
Spanglish. So
29:08
it feels a bit like a hybrid between
29:10
the two, as Andrea, the museum manager, explained
29:12
to me. I think
29:14
the people from Laredo have a mentality. And
29:18
I don't know if it's just from Laredo, but
29:20
a border mentality, where you're neither
29:23
from here nor there. It's really you are
29:25
from the border. Our language is
29:27
a little different. Our way of life is
29:29
a little bit different. A lot of people that come from out
29:31
of town tell us, oh, this looks a lot like
29:33
Mexico, but you're not in Mexico. In
29:36
the context of this border culture,
29:38
having a team that plays both
29:40
sides actually means something. For
29:43
the players and the fans, regardless of
29:45
their nationality, like Eduardo,
29:47
the backup catcher who I crossed the border
29:49
with. The
29:55
two Laredo sides are really the same fan
29:57
base. We can't divide the fans. It's
30:00
the same passion. It's the same
30:02
people that live here in Nuevo Laredo that
30:04
when we play on this side, they cross
30:06
over to go there. It's a different culture
30:08
because it's a different country. I mean, it's
30:11
different rules, different things, but at
30:13
least I feel it's the same passion. It's
30:15
the same passion for baseball. But
30:19
in the last 20 years or so, that
30:22
sense of different rules that shared
30:24
passion has came under stream. First,
30:27
9-11 tightened border security
30:30
everywhere, including this part of
30:32
the border. Passports
30:34
were required. Checkpoint queues
30:36
grew longer. Owning a
30:38
business on one side and living on
30:41
the other became difficult. That's
30:44
why Andreas firmly moved to Laredo
30:46
from Nuevo Laredo. Around
30:49
that time, cartel violence in
30:51
Nuevo Laredo also got much
30:53
worse. Car bombings
30:56
are apparently a new tactic for the
30:58
drug cartel. There have been four
31:00
reported since the height of the drug war just
31:02
south of the border. A decapitated body
31:04
and a blood-stained message were left on
31:06
a busy Nuevo Laredo street around 5
31:08
a.m. Wednesday. The message warns people not
31:11
to use social media to report crime.
31:13
A border warning from the web-counting sheriff
31:15
do not cross to Nuevo Laredo because
31:17
of reports of cartel gunfights. That's just
31:20
across the border from Laredo. Contrabant
31:22
has always crossed borders, flowing through
31:25
the towns on either side. Criminals
31:28
were, and today gangs are,
31:31
attracted to Nuevo Laredo precisely
31:33
because the same roads that
31:35
facilitate trade help them
31:37
deliver drugs or migrants or whatever
31:39
else it might be. For
31:42
many years, Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party,
31:44
better known as the PRI,
31:47
kept a lid on gangs by making pacts
31:49
with them. But in
31:52
2000, the PRI lost power for the
31:54
first time. Violence
31:56
started to grow, nowhere
31:58
more so than here. Nuevo
32:02
Laredo was home to the Zetas, a
32:05
gang made up of soldiers who
32:07
defected from the Mexican army. They
32:10
started out as part of the Gulf people.
32:13
Thanks to their military training,
32:15
the Zetas were incredibly brutal
32:18
and smart. They expanded
32:21
from trafficking drugs to also
32:23
extorting businesses, bribing the police,
32:25
you name it. In
32:28
2006, then-President of
32:30
Mexico, Felipe Calderon, decided
32:33
to directly confront those criminal
32:35
groups. With the help
32:37
of the United States, he launched the war
32:39
on drugs. The less drugs we
32:41
use, the less pressure there will be in Mexico. He
32:45
has got responsibilities to help prevent guns
32:47
from going from the United States into
32:49
Mexico. We have a
32:51
very strong compromise for
32:54
combating and spreading
32:56
the criminal issues in Mexico. This
33:01
had unintended consequences. There
33:04
was a violence expected in clashes
33:06
between government forces and the gangs,
33:09
but gangs also started to splinter
33:11
as leaders were taken out and others
33:14
fought to take over. These
33:17
divided gangs started to fade and
33:19
added to the bloodshed. This
33:22
led to huge issues in areas where
33:24
gangs were operating. Nuevo
33:27
Laredo became infamous as
33:29
the site of horrific violence. People
33:31
there talked to me about the climate of
33:34
terror that they lived through and
33:36
they told me the most awful stories. Mexico
33:40
Day in 2012, when nine bodies
33:42
were found hanging from a bridge. The
33:45
same day, police also found 14 heads
33:48
in cool boxes. The
33:51
bodies were later found dumped near a bridge
33:53
to the United States. Americans,
33:58
even Laredo natives, were
34:00
advised to stay away. America's
34:03
State Department currently warns people not
34:05
to travel anywhere in the state
34:08
of Tamalipas. Several
34:10
Laredoans told me that sometimes you
34:12
can hear gunshots ring out across
34:14
the river. Andrew,
34:17
the amateur historian, tells me he hasn't
34:19
crossed since he was a child. All
34:34
this means that the two cities are
34:36
starting to feel very different. Most
34:40
of the new development in Laredo is happening
34:42
away from the border on the north end
34:44
of the city, near the Tejos Stadium actually.
34:47
There are brand new neighborhoods
34:49
of mega-mansions and manicured lawns.
34:52
Local officials hang out at the country club
34:55
and for the first time during this trip
34:57
more people actually spoke to me in English
34:59
than Spanish. By
35:01
comparison, the historic downtown seems
35:03
sort of economically depressed. The
35:06
trade bridges carrying the keys to Laredo's
35:08
new wealth blow right by it. Downtown
35:11
seems forgotten, almost like a
35:14
historic artifact. Nueva
35:16
Laredo's downtown has fared better.
35:19
Its historic plazas near the border
35:21
still seem to be the center of
35:23
life in the city. Children
35:26
play there. Vendors sell fresh
35:28
fruit and elote. Musicians
35:30
play. But around
35:33
the corners from the bustling plazas
35:35
are the scars of the last
35:37
two decades of violence. Gift
35:40
shops are boarded up. Side
35:42
streets are abandoned. Posters
35:45
plastered on light poles show the
35:47
faces of Nueva Laredo's most
35:49
wanted. Our
35:58
communities are very intertwined. and
36:01
embedded together. Nilda Garcia is
36:03
Texas A&M International University which is
36:05
situated just on the road from
36:08
the Unitrade Stadium, studies gangs. She's
36:11
also from a Mexican border town that's
36:13
a few hours away and
36:15
she was a student in Laredo. But
36:17
when it comes to violence and security
36:19
is an immense, it's a world of
36:21
difference. People
36:24
crossing the border from the north may not notice
36:27
but Nilda tells me there's gang
36:29
members that hang out in the city at
36:31
the plazas around the corner from
36:33
the border and they're all monitoring
36:36
what's happening. Right around the time
36:38
I was in Nuevo Laredo, gangs detained
36:40
four local umpires and it's
36:43
a reminder that there are real safety
36:45
issues that the tech-offs have to keep
36:47
in mind as they're shuttling players, staff
36:49
or umpires back and forth. So
36:51
today these vigilantes or alcónez are all over
36:53
the place as soon as you cross you're
36:55
gonna see them and when you come back
36:57
and cross it again to come to the
36:59
United States you're gonna see them everywhere. The
37:06
murder rate has fallen but not
37:09
because the gangs are losing power, it's because
37:12
one single gang, the Northeast Cartel,
37:15
has control here and when
37:17
one gang rules there are fewer clashes
37:20
but violence could flare up really at
37:23
any time it's totally unpredictable. This
37:27
is not going to change, gangs are
37:29
so entrenched, they not only
37:32
basically run the illicit economy but
37:34
they inter-time with the legal one
37:36
too. But
37:39
gang violence isn't the only problem
37:41
raising tensions on the border. As
37:44
president Donald Trump wanted to use
37:46
military funds to put up a border
37:48
fence in part of Webb County which
37:50
includes Laredo. It was never
37:53
built but locals still feel the threat
37:55
of that wall looming especially
37:57
with migration so high right now.
38:00
In 2023, more migrants were
38:02
apprehended crossing America's southern border
38:05
than any other year
38:07
on record. Compared to
38:09
other border cities like San Diego
38:12
or Nogales in Arizona, Laredo doesn't
38:14
see that many migrants, but their
38:16
numbers are growing. American
38:19
officials are also worried about drug
38:21
trafficking. Fentanyl is
38:24
killing tens of thousands of Americans
38:26
every year, and it's
38:28
coming from Mexico. So
38:30
the border everywhere has
38:33
become more politicized, more
38:35
militarized, harder. Locals
38:38
worry that security is going to
38:40
tighten, making crossing even
38:42
more difficult and increasing
38:45
the friction between the two cities.
39:12
Back at Nuevo Laredo, the tackle's pitchers
39:14
are warming up for tonight's game. The
39:17
crowd is slowly filing into the
39:20
stalls, and they're getting themselves settled
39:22
with pre-game drinks and feets. While
39:25
down on the field, the power hitters slug it
39:27
out in batting prices. The
39:32
vibe is relaxed, friendly. Players
39:34
are ribbing each other in both English
39:36
and Spanish. In
39:39
contrast to the new Unitrade Stadium
39:42
in Nuevo, the Nuevo Laredo Stadium
39:44
hasn't changed much, if at all,
39:46
since Quit La Work, the general
39:48
manager, grew up catching fly balls
39:50
decades ago. I'm
39:53
on the roof, there are flying ants and
39:55
lots of bricks and tiles that are broken.
40:00
peeling paint. There's a guy up here
40:02
filming, someone drinking a
40:04
coke, but yeah it is run
40:06
down. But
40:10
none of that matters once the game starts.
40:19
The Laredo audience may be rowdier than
40:21
the average American major needs baseball one,
40:24
but the Nuevo Laredo site puts them to
40:26
shame. People
40:37
are using retractors, those wooden rattles that
40:39
make a huge noise when you spin
40:42
them around, and some people even
40:44
bought large drums. But
40:51
faces here are making jokes as much as they are
40:53
watching the game. Everyone
40:55
seems to be drinking beer from a
40:57
huge plastic cup, often rims with sores.
41:01
And there's a lot of eating, a lot
41:03
of eating. People beckoning
41:05
over circulating food vendors to order
41:07
crisps and with hot sauce or
41:09
skewers of prawn. Oh hang
41:11
on, there are bruschettes going around with those to come around. There
41:14
is good food this high. The
41:20
Laredo is so close, you can
41:22
almost chat to the players. It's
41:25
so close you can see them dancing to the next
41:27
jubu. Well,
41:29
dancing is an exaggeration. I'm walking
41:35
to the next jubu. I'm walking
41:37
to the next jubu. I
41:40
spot this one fan, Yolanda, part way through
41:42
the game. She looks
41:45
like she's in her 70s, she's got white
41:47
hair. And I go to
41:49
speak to her and she tells me she's been
41:51
buying these same seats for 40 years. The
42:00
huge megaphone wish she says is her
42:02
second one because she thought he faces
42:04
from same thing see loudly when the
42:06
pack of get ahead. She. Alternate between
42:08
south and for her megaphone and
42:10
having it make the siren found
42:13
on I Run a Run a
42:15
have. A
42:17
conversation actually isn't syrup. The i'm Sick
42:19
of the Cycle score. Than
42:23
it is said. And
42:30
I told the buffalo that as early as
42:32
thought loud. And
42:36
I mean. As a. Pack
42:38
of when this nine eleven for
42:40
three which they really needed in
42:42
between opening weekend. And this game
42:45
two weeks later, said loss for
42:47
their six away games. The.
42:49
Nuevo Laredo games. So Mexican.
42:52
But. The league is becoming lesser.
43:00
Role changes have a lab teams. To
43:02
bring in more foreigners, mainly former
43:04
major league baseball players. Players
43:07
like Tennis Vargas who used to
43:09
play in the Mlb for the
43:11
Minnesota Twins. Know
43:13
I'm your guy that feel
43:16
Olaf Bird Minister my bag
43:18
of little retire to this.
43:22
But he was the biggest which means
43:24
you're cerebral. I saw by Big Five
43:26
your or be ready to in. Tennis
43:29
is one of the take us
43:31
most powerful centers. He's huge, six
43:33
foot five with the speed boisterous.
43:36
Last, he's friendly and find. And
43:39
we chatted while he was messing
43:41
around during batting practice at Let's
43:43
Hear How to Pass. And
43:47
ten he says the teams unofficial
43:49
barber. he sort of an unofficial
43:52
captain and a joker to cut
43:54
all of their hair in preparation
43:56
for opening day weekends. Players.
43:58
Like Chinese, they've raised the quality of
44:00
the Mexican League. That's where the
44:03
club's owner, China months. Or recruits them.
44:06
As though we another bill of the me we
44:08
i'm nora Bob probably makes you can go went
44:10
off for us to develop make some players. Wayne.
44:13
They pay when independently that we need to
44:15
based on what Having. Fans. In
44:17
our stadiums. So. This even
44:19
the big show. The take us
44:21
has gone from the Mexican team
44:24
to a multicultural one. Tennis is.
44:26
From Puerto Rico. Other
44:28
stars actually then and Venezuelan
44:30
and Mexican American. And
44:33
arctic influx that may have gone to
44:35
those young Mexican players who are just
44:38
starting their careers. But. The
44:40
team is embracing it's American.
44:42
This. Star. Players like Tennis
44:44
appeal to the Mexican fans, but they
44:47
really appeal to Texans who may have
44:49
watched him in the Mlb. Opening
45:04
day at Unit Trade Cdm. the
45:06
team whereas the special jerseys their
45:08
blue and gold and they see
45:10
by. Nationals. On the friends. But.
45:13
As I'm watching the game, I really
45:15
wonder how much of the pomp around
45:17
the city's unity. Is just nostalgia
45:19
or even a good marketing
45:22
tactic? Because. No one
45:24
who we talk to think things are going
45:26
back to the way they were, at least
45:28
not anytime soon. Lots. Of
45:30
border towns have sister cities on
45:33
the other side. San Diego has
45:35
you wanna? El Paso has Juarez
45:37
but the relationship between Laredo and
45:40
Nuevo Laredo is difference. They really
45:42
were one city once and now
45:44
they're very much to. As while
45:46
of his father like coming out here because I can
45:48
the i can just picture everything here and you could
45:51
pick standing. Next to me an adult
45:53
Spanish Plaza and Laredo Anders hat
45:55
is doing it's job flushing the
45:57
afternoon sun. he explains how
45:59
laredo building infrastructure, developing, and
46:01
imagining what it means to be
46:03
a place apart. And
46:06
we went a block down this way which I suppose we
46:08
can it's under construction you can see where there's been a
46:10
lot of action and growth in some of the bars seen
46:12
down there and people wanted to come down here. Yeah, I
46:14
mean that's
46:22
absolutely what it is and it's taken us 15 years to figure
46:24
out what that looks like and now we're getting there. Here
46:40
Andrew takes a long pause.
46:43
It's a hard question
46:45
to answer maybe because it is. I know
46:48
that's probably sounds better maybe it sounds
46:51
better in Latin you know yes it
46:53
is. Why
46:56
would it not be? You
46:58
know just because I can't go somewhere doesn't mean I love it. This
47:07
is the thing I've been struggling
47:09
to understand the whole time we
47:11
were reporting in Laredo. People
47:14
my age, Andrew's age, and
47:16
younger just aren't crossing
47:19
the way their parents and grandparents
47:21
did. So how can
47:23
the two Laredos stay together when there
47:25
are so many things pushing them apart?
47:29
The closest I've
47:31
come to an answer to that question is
47:34
that bi-national baseball reflects
47:36
the idealism that people like
47:39
Andrew or Chadha or Andrea
47:41
or Nilda have when
47:44
they tell me that the two cities are one.
47:47
It's not just nostalgia for the way
47:49
things used to be before
47:51
9-11, before the gang violence,
47:53
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