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is I'm on the move today. So I'm actually

1:00

in Monterey,

1:02

California. I'll be preaching this weekend at Shoreline

1:04

Church, and the pastor is a good

1:06

friend of mine, an author that saw his books

1:08

have sold like a million plus copies. So very

1:10

excited to have him on here as well. But but

1:13

I'll introduce you to a second. But like, what's Monterey

1:15

famous for this? The naval thing.

1:18

The Monterey is one of the most cosmopolitan

1:20

small towns in the world. We've got one of the

1:22

top aquariums in the world. We've got some of the top

1:24

golf courses in the world, including Pebble Beach.

1:26

Pebble beach is here.

1:27

We've got an art center in Carmel. We have one

1:29

of the largest raceways in the world, Laguna Seca Raceway.

1:31

It's a right near us is

1:33

Salinas, which is an agricultural center.

1:36

This is where Ted talks were born. It

1:38

is a unique, unique place

1:40

in the world because it's a small town, but

1:42

the world comes here because of its

1:44

beauty and because of the uniqueness of this place.

1:46

And that voice you hear is Kevin Harney.

1:48

Kevin is the lead pastor of Shoreline

1:51

Church. He's also an author, international speaker

1:53

who seeks to help believers grow to love

1:55

God with greater passion. Reach out to the world

1:57

with a life changing message of Jesus

1:59

Christ. You've written many books, including

2:02

the Organic Outreach series.

2:04

We were just talking a minute ago. I've had you teach some

2:07

at my former school. You taught some

2:09

of our pastors from the book know is a

2:11

beautiful word. Lots of books

2:13

and curriculum. Kevin Harney, we're

2:15

so glad to. Well, we're actually

2:17

in your office. One of the amazing things our team,

2:19

you know, Bob Morrow's are brilliant engineer.

2:22

They hook up from here like, I've got this traveling

2:24

unit right here and they hook up. And so we got our team

2:26

in Chicago, Karen Hendren, our producer. So thankful

2:28

the good work that they do. I think Laura is manning the phones

2:30

today. Good team we have. But

2:33

but we get to come and sit here in

2:35

Monterey. And if you're in Monterey

2:37

or is this the Central Coast? Is that where we are?

2:39

Yeah. Central California.

2:40

Central California coast. Come join us

2:42

tomorrow at at at

2:45

I don't even know what service 9:00.

2:46

At 11:00 in.

2:47

The morning. I should know that I'm preaching at them, but I'll, I'll

2:49

just show up when you tell me to show up. Okay, good.

2:51

So we want to talk some about evangelism

2:54

and discipleship in particular today.

2:56

And because that's obviously a passion

2:58

of yours. Now, for those of you who are unfamiliar

3:00

with organic outreach, which I think is probably

3:03

your best known book, um, we

3:06

we, we when I was the interim teaching pastor

3:08

at Moody Church in Chicago, we

3:10

were having a conversation as a staff and

3:13

we said, you know, we want to up our evangelism.

3:15

You know, you can't be at Moody Church, named

3:17

after D.L. Moody, and not be an

3:19

evangelistic church. But the reality is evangelism

3:22

wanes. It's the one thing that

3:24

sort of, I don't know, people get busy with

3:26

their lives or their church lives. And

3:28

so we actually brought you

3:30

in. You came and preached at

3:33

at Moody Church and helped our staff think through,

3:35

and we started using organic outreach.

3:37

So first of all, I mean organic sounds.

3:39

That sounds very California. It sounds like something

3:41

you get it, you know, Whole Foods or something.

3:43

So let's talk about what it is

3:46

and then we're going to discipleship later. But let's start with

3:48

organic outreach. By the way. We're going to take your

3:50

calls too. And we have five copies of

3:52

Kevin's new book, Organic Disciples

3:54

Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually

3:57

and Naturally Share Jesus.

3:59

It's actually by Kevin and Jerry Arnie together,

4:01

and we're going to give some of those away as well.

4:03

Our number is going to be (877) 548-3675.

4:07

But let's just start with this word organic because

4:10

that means different things to different people, particularly in California.

4:13

So I'm going to define organic. Very simply.

4:15

Organic is the way God designed things.

4:18

Natural the according

4:21

to God's ways. And and so

4:23

how do we do outreach? How do we do evangelism

4:25

in a way that's consistent with how God has made us

4:27

and designed us and made other people?

4:29

And so I live in that near

4:31

the Salinas Valley and, and lots of agricultural

4:34

people in this area. And if you ask them about

4:36

organic farming, they'll tell you it's way harder

4:38

because they're not using these different chemicals

4:40

to kill the bugs. They have to do everything naturally.

4:43

And so what I describe organic

4:45

outreach as being as how do you share

4:47

your faith in a way that doesn't

4:49

freak you out, doesn't freak other people out, doesn't

4:51

terrify anybody. But naturally,

4:53

winsome draws people toward Jesus

4:56

who loves them and who cares about them.

4:58

Okay. And so so then you write organic

5:00

outreach. And I remember when you were

5:02

preaching at the Moody Church, you

5:04

explained about turning the temperature

5:06

up a little bit. So tell us about that. That's been a key theme.

5:09

Yeah, it's called the one degree rule. And

5:11

I called it that because I'm not a complex

5:13

thinker. I just thought, okay, how do you turn

5:16

the temperature up one degree on your personal outreach.

5:18

And so we ask people and there's people doing

5:20

this from Uganda to

5:23

Australia all over the world that we've trained and equipped,

5:25

and they've used our resources, individual

5:27

believers asking the question from 1 to

5:29

10, what's my personal outreach temperature?

5:32

I'm not talking about how much you love Jesus. I'm not talking about how much

5:34

you love the Bible. I'm talking about what's your

5:36

temperature of love for the lost,

5:38

wandering sheep that Jesus cares

5:40

about? A one would be, I don't care

5:43

about the loss. I don't think about the loss. And I wish they'd

5:45

stay away from me. That's cold. Ten

5:47

would be sizzling hot. Man, I there's

5:49

tears on my pillow when I wake up in the morning because I weep over

5:51

the loss. I think about the lost. I'm engaged with people that

5:53

are far from Jesus. I'm naturally

5:55

sharing my faith, and they're coming to know Jesus.

5:57

And most of us live somewhere between those

6:00

two. But I ask people to say,

6:02

where am I today? And I'd ask your listeners right now

6:04

from 1 to 10, give yourself

6:06

a number. Where is your personal

6:08

outreach, passion and engagement?

6:10

And if you say, I'm a three, here's the

6:12

one degree rule today. Make

6:14

yourself a four. Pray more for the lost.

6:17

All somebody you know that doesn't know Jesus and connect

6:20

with them. Read the Gospels and look at the

6:22

heart of Jesus. Listen to stories

6:24

or read books about people coming to faith in Jesus

6:26

or sharing their faith. And you can steward

6:28

your own temperature and raise it one degree.

6:31

So if you're three, become a four. If you're eight,

6:33

become a nine. And here's the good news if you're at ten, make

6:35

your scale 11. Turn up the temperature and

6:37

grow your passion.

6:38

Turn it up to 11. It's 11 baby. That's

6:40

that's it. Okay, so, um, and

6:42

I think that's key. And I want to actually ask our listeners

6:45

for a second to really think about that. So think

6:47

about his scale. Right. So

6:49

so I really I love evangelism.

6:51

I one of the things that I am

6:53

kind of on a maybe crusade about

6:55

is that people have convinced themselves that

6:57

there's a gift of evangelism. I don't I

6:59

don't see it anywhere in the Bible. Uh, there's evangelists

7:02

who equip God's people for what

7:04

the call of every Christian is to share the gospel.

7:07

So so I think everybody can

7:09

turn up that temperature. So maybe your attitude, maybe

7:11

you're and you're just nervous to invite

7:13

someone to church for Christmas and Easter. That's that's

7:15

okay. So what would it be like to turn

7:17

that up just a little bit more. And so think about

7:19

a number of where you are. And then

7:22

I want you to give us a little bit of Kevin, some ideas

7:24

about some ways to turn that number

7:26

up, because let's say someone saying right now I'm a four,

7:28

so what would I do differently

7:31

in my life? And I'll just start

7:33

with one. One of the things I try to do is I try

7:35

to push against, and this is going

7:37

to sound silly, but I try to push against the

7:39

depersonalization of everything.

7:42

So, for example, I, like

7:44

you have ATMs. You know, you go to the bank,

7:46

I say, I want to go meet the I want to go

7:48

in and meet the person, because that gives me a chance to talk

7:50

to them. I'll talk to the clerk at the store.

7:53

I'll talk to my Uber driver. Whereas,

7:55

you know, the Uber app actually gives you an option now

7:58

to press a button that you don't want anybody talking to you. It's

8:00

like no conversation. And I and

8:02

I'm not like obnoxious about it. Well, so

8:04

my kids might say that I am, but I

8:06

push against the personalization because I want to know

8:08

people who don't know Jesus. I want to know

8:10

my neighbors. You know, you were talking earlier about

8:12

how you had gone over and you bring Christmas

8:14

gifts to your neighbors. And and

8:16

I left. We moved to California. And people

8:19

don't like, you know, nobody greeted us when

8:21

we arrive. Like when we moved to the Midwest

8:23

in Chicago. Our neighbors brought us the casseroles,

8:26

um, and Nashville, you know, it was the same thing when

8:28

we came to California. We've every

8:30

conversation we've had with the neighbor we initiated.

8:33

So I'm going to I'm going to use because some of them are like

8:35

4 or 5 houses away. And like

8:37

they never talked to us at all. So I'm going to use it, I'm going to

8:39

Christmas, I'm going to bring them Christmas gifts. And

8:41

I love that. So that's so that's one way I

8:43

push back to turn up the evangelistic temperature in my life

8:45

is to push against depersonalization.

8:48

What are some others. And then I'm going to

8:50

have you answer, but I'm going to ask other people.

8:52

They might have examples as well. So you can call

8:54

us maybe with your examples or your

8:56

practice or your questions at (877) 548-3675.

9:01

That's (877) 548-3675.

9:05

So callers you can call tell us how maybe you turn that

9:07

temperature up a little bit in your own life. What practices

9:09

you have Kevin. What are some ways you've seen that

9:11

work?

9:12

First, I'm super excited to hear your listeners and

9:14

some of their ideas because that's there's power in that.

9:16

We're always learning from each other. But let me give you

9:18

three things. They all start with the letter P and you can

9:20

remember these. Number one is what you leaned into

9:23

right away at proximity. Get near people.

9:25

Just get near people, but especially near people that are

9:27

far from Jesus. And so reconnect with

9:29

old friends. Reach out to family members. Get

9:32

to know your neighbors so you want to raise your temperature.

9:34

Get around people far from Jesus and

9:36

your heart will beat for them. Partly

9:38

we're just separate from people. So proximity.

9:41

Second prayer. Pray

9:43

for those that are far from Jesus. Pray for yourself

9:45

to grow in love. For those that are far from Jesus.

9:47

Pray for courage and boldness and that will

9:50

raise your temperature. And then here's the third

9:52

thing passages. Find some

9:54

passages in the Bible that talk about

9:56

the heart of Jesus for the world, the love

9:58

of God for the lost. You know, look.

10:01

Look at Abraham's story where he basically is

10:03

blessed. Why? To become a blessing to the nations.

10:05

And so find those passages where Jesus

10:08

says, go therefore, and make

10:10

disciples of all nations, and just meditate

10:12

on those passages. So

10:14

proximity, prayers, passages

10:17

that will help turn up the temperature.

10:18

Good, good, good. All right. So we're going

10:21

to continue our conversation in just a moment. We're also going to go to the

10:23

callers as well. Remember we're talking about

10:25

maybe some ways that you've turned up the evangelistic

10:27

temperature in your life. Maybe some ways you seek

10:29

to engage your neighbors, your friends and your

10:31

family. (877) 548-3675.

10:36

Just this morning, I was responding to

10:38

someone who's not a Christian and was

10:40

asking me what C.S. Lewis books because he

10:42

knows I, like, See Us Lewis. I was recommending some

10:44

to him. That's a practice I want to have my life. Maybe

10:46

yours as well. Eight we're looking for your examples.

10:49

(877) 548-3675.

10:53

We're here with Kevin Harney talking about organic

10:55

outreach and organic disciples. Hey!

11:08

We're back. It's tetra. It's debts are live. We have

11:10

our guest today, Kevin Harney. We're live from

11:12

Monterey, California.

11:14

And Kevin's lead pastor of Shoreline Church.

11:16

But really probably known around the world for organic outreach.

11:19

Now, his new book is Organic Disciples,

11:22

uh, which kind of continues that theme

11:24

in and around, uh, where

11:26

organically we're seeing that kind of life change

11:28

and more. We're going to talk about that in just a moment. The book

11:30

is called Organic Disciples Seven

11:32

Ways to Grow Spiritually and Naturally Share

11:34

Jesus by Kevin and Sherry Harney. And

11:37

we we have some of those to give away. Kevin. We're going

11:39

to do that in just a second. But the way we do it

11:41

is we give it away to brilliant, insightful callers,

11:44

not to just people calling up saying, can I have a copy

11:46

of my caller number seven? No. Um, but

11:48

but you'll be blessed by it as well. I'm

11:50

just so appreciative. I think I endorsed that book. Um,

11:52

if I didn't, I should have. I don't

11:54

even know if you asked for endorsements. All right, we got some calls

11:56

coming in already. Let me remind you, we're just kind of

11:58

asking maybe some ways that you

12:01

naturally seek to share your faith to turn

12:03

up that temperature. A degree

12:05

or so. We're going to go to Catherine in

12:07

Costa mesa listening on K wave

12:09

there. Catherine. So you're live on the air. Go

12:12

with your question or your comment.

12:14

Well, hello, gentlemen. I want to let

12:16

you know that I do a prayer

12:18

walk every morning. You know, you're getting your steps

12:21

in, you're getting your exercise. And

12:23

I just pray for every single neighbor

12:26

I pass. I say, Lord, this is a

12:28

family and soften the hearts

12:30

and and make divine appointments

12:32

for me. So.

12:35

And in Mark there's a sober

12:38

living home and my block and

12:40

oh, you would leave. I pray

12:42

for them. I tell them that Jesus

12:44

is a higher power. And let me

12:46

tell you something. It's amazing the power

12:49

of prayer.

12:51

Come on, come on Catherine, I love it. Thank you so much

12:53

for your call. If you'll hold on. Uh,

12:55

Karen, our producer, is going to come on and

12:57

give you a copy of Organic Disciples

12:59

Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually and Naturally Share

13:02

Jesus. But you got to say her,

13:04

it kind of reminds me of your wife's book. Yeah. So

13:06

so I'm going to just open the door because we

13:08

like her. Where where is she today, by the way?

13:10

She is with grandkids in Michigan.

13:12

But I need to say I was born at Hoag Memorial Hospital

13:15

in Costa mesa. So that's my old stomping

13:17

grounds. Grew up in Orange County there, and

13:19

I love that. What a great

13:22

way to live your life and to spend your time

13:24

walking and praying. And God answers those

13:26

prayers. God makes those divine appointments

13:28

and I have no question they got us using

13:30

you and could use any listener right

13:32

now who begins to prayer walk. And you can prayer

13:35

drive, uh, that that my wife

13:37

writes about that in her book, uh, Praying with Wise

13:39

Eyes Wide Open, which is coming out in June,

13:42

uh, being rereleased as Organic Prayer.

13:44

And so and she now.

13:46

Talks about now on an earlier version

13:48

called praying with Eyes Wide Open. Correct.

13:51

Which, which at first, when you guys are telling

13:53

you about that, you know, I was thinking like, you know, Russian

13:55

Christians pray with their eyes wide open,

13:57

but it's not really that. It's basically having an awareness

14:00

of what's going on around you.

14:02

Yeah. What my wife says is if you don't pray

14:04

with your eyes open, you're going to limit your

14:06

time of prayer because your eyes are open

14:08

a lot of the day. And so learn to pray with your eyes open

14:10

and closes about praying all the time, everywhere,

14:13

and including when you're walking along, uh,

14:15

walking your dog walk in your neighborhood and

14:17

praying for those that need to know

14:19

the love and the grace of Jesus.

14:20

Yes, very much. Pray without ceasing kind of idea. Exactly, I

14:22

love that, I love that, and you're and Sherry's awesome as well.

14:24

All right, let's go to Lisa in Palm Beach

14:26

Gardens, Florida, listening on warm

14:28

Lisa, you're live on the air with your comment. Go right ahead.

14:33

Um, yeah, I, I just

14:35

stepped into the conversation when I heard you

14:37

say about things becoming

14:39

depersonalized, um,

14:41

and I noticed, like, so when I go to the

14:44

store and there's an opportunity

14:46

for, um, checkout

14:48

automated or with a person,

14:50

I'll try and get one with a person.

14:53

Um, because sometimes there's even, albeit

14:56

brief opportunities to,

14:59

um, encourage somebody or even,

15:01

you know, bless them somehow like that.

15:03

Um, yeah.

15:05

Like, um, one example,

15:08

a lady yesterday was, um, saying

15:10

at the register how she didn't feel well.

15:12

And so I had some easy

15:14

food that I had bought, and I said, well, take

15:16

something if you want it. You know, because she had, she

15:18

had, you know, had a stomach ache

15:21

and was hungry, I guess. So there's just

15:23

little ways, I think in

15:26

and I yeah, I need more

15:28

organic ideas, I guess, because

15:30

sometimes it seems contrived.

15:32

You love people and you care so much

15:34

and it's like, how do you even get in the conversation?

15:37

So love it. Love

15:40

it. Lisa, first of all, let me just agree with you a whole heartedly

15:42

that self-checkout is of the devil. That's

15:44

not what you said, but it's something for

15:46

so many reasons. But one of the reasons

15:48

is the depersonalization. So. So

15:51

I love that you're doing that. And here's what

15:53

I would also just suggest a little more.

15:55

Here's what. And again because you're looking for more

15:57

ideas, what what I do is

15:59

and you can't always do this, but you know, like we have a little

16:02

grocery store near us, you know, California, it's Ralphs,

16:04

which I think is Kroger. It gets like one

16:06

of the sub brands of Kroger. Um, so,

16:09

like, you could go to your Ralph's,

16:11

avoid the self-checkout line, go through

16:13

the checkout line. And what I try to

16:15

do is I try to go to like, I

16:18

look like even when I'm in a restaurant, we go to

16:20

the same little restaurant near our neighborhood and we

16:22

look for the same servers, learn their

16:24

names, come back, uh, same thing

16:26

if I go to a grocery store. Now, if you have one of those

16:28

huge grocery stores, our grocery stores

16:30

are not huge. It's harder. But you're

16:32

looking for some of those ways to have

16:34

those ongoing relationships. Lisa, I want you to hold

16:36

on the line. We're going to give you a copy

16:39

of Kevin and Sherry, his new book, Organic

16:41

Disciples Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually

16:43

and Naturally Share Jesus. What other ways

16:45

would you suggest for her to find ways

16:47

to, to, to repurchase, analyze and to

16:49

engage people?

16:51

Well, one way is if you have

16:53

a garage door opener and you

16:55

roll into your garage and push the button behind you,

16:58

stop doing that and and

17:00

and just get to know your neighbors. One

17:02

way also is we all

17:04

have a circle of relationships that have

17:07

kind of just cooled off and maybe

17:09

disappeared. We got busy. We haven't reached out. And

17:11

just to think through, I would ask all your

17:13

listeners who are 2 or 3 people you haven't seen for

17:15

a long time. They don't know Jesus,

17:17

and if you reached out to them, they'd be they'd be glad

17:19

to hear from you and just make that reconnection.

17:22

The the becoming Depersonalized

17:24

is also about being busy and being

17:27

distracted. And if we can just, um,

17:29

take that time and I'll give one more thought to.

17:32

And that is, uh, be aware

17:34

of your technology. If you've got a,

17:36

you know, watch that brings in data. Excuse

17:39

me if you've got a, uh, if you've got

17:41

a phone, whichever one does. Um,

17:43

sometimes we're with people, but we're actually not with

17:45

them. And actually turning things off or

17:47

setting them aside. I was walking through the airport yesterday,

17:49

and I was counting the percentage of people who

17:51

had a device in their hands and were locked

17:53

into it in some way. I got to about 80%.

17:56

It was kind of scary. And so

17:58

when you're with someone, actually be with

18:00

them because you can be in the presence

18:02

of someone and not be connected to them, and that's another way

18:04

to connect and become more personal.

18:06

Fasting and so and so important to that. This

18:08

is a a pattern that we

18:10

can find in our lives. One of the things I like

18:12

to do, um, and I think I think

18:15

we did when we brought you in, we did a two week

18:17

missions conference. I think I did one of them you did the next week,

18:19

and I talked about creating a map

18:21

and a list and keep it in your Bible,

18:23

like a map of your neighbors who don't know the Lord

18:26

and try to build relationships, and then a list of people

18:28

you're praying for as well, because you never know what the Lord's

18:30

going to do as well. Super, super helpful

18:32

comment, Lisa. Victoria, we're going to go to you in just

18:34

a second, but let me just give our phone number again.

18:36

Our phone number is (877) 548-3675.

18:41

We're talking to Kevin Harney. Uh, we're actually

18:43

live for Monterey, California. We're talking about

18:45

organic outreach, but also his new book,

18:47

Organic Disciples Seven Ways to Grow

18:49

Spiritually and Naturally Share

18:52

Jesus. And I love the tie of those two things together.

18:54

And you and Sherry wrote that book together

18:56

as well. So let's go to Victoria

18:59

in Rialto, California. Victoria, you're live

19:01

on the air with your question, your comment. Go right ahead.

19:04

Good morning, gentlemen. Thank you for being

19:06

there. I enjoy the program. Every

19:08

Saturday. Um,

19:11

I had an interesting event occur.

19:13

My brother flew in from Missouri. We

19:15

picked him up at Long Beach. We

19:18

stayed at the Holiday

19:20

Inn and we had breakfast. We're

19:22

all sitting around and there's

19:24

a big burly gentleman

19:27

that looked like a motorcycle rider. He

19:29

had a t shirt on. It says, I hate people

19:32

and it just jarred

19:34

me inside. I was like, my

19:36

goodness, he hates people.

19:39

And he's not embarrassed or

19:41

ashamed to wear that t shirt. And

19:43

I wish I had my I love Jesus

19:45

t shirt on, but I didn't. So

19:48

we ate and we finished up. We went

19:50

back upstairs with my brothers

19:53

and family and we all packed and we were leaving.

19:55

Well, that big burly gentleman was

19:57

outside smoking a cigarette and

20:00

I'm a 67 year old great grandma.

20:02

So I walked up to him and my

20:04

grandson, who's 22, grabbed me

20:06

by the arm. Grandma, what are you going to do?

20:09

I said, I just want to talk to him a minute.

20:11

I felt the Holy Spirit tug at my heart

20:13

and I walked up to him and I

20:16

kind of laid my hand on his shoulder

20:18

and I said, young man, can I ask

20:20

you something? And he said, sure. I said,

20:22

do you hate people? And

20:25

he said, well, no,

20:27

I don't hate everybody. And

20:29

I said, well, do you hate me? And

20:31

he says, no, I don't hate you.

20:34

And I said, well, I don't hate you either. And

20:36

I wish I had my I Love Jesus

20:38

t shirt on to let you know

20:40

that Jesus loves you, I said,

20:43

and I love you and the love of the Lord.

20:45

And he said, oh, how nice.

20:47

And I said, well, I just wanted

20:49

to let you know that there is somebody that loves

20:52

you and all people don't deserve

20:54

to be hated. But I saw

20:56

that you were wearing it, so I wanted to comment

20:58

on it, and I and he says, wow,

21:01

that's amazing. And he said,

21:04

would you pray for me? And I said,

21:06

I said, come on, I would love to pray for

21:08

you.

21:09

And so standing.

21:10

Next to him is a is a

21:12

guy that looked like he was homeless, but

21:15

he had been talking to him and he

21:17

says, do you know what I

21:19

need to tell you about a miracle?

21:21

I said, a miracle. And he said, yes,

21:23

this young man is my nephew.

21:26

He said, I was adopted

21:28

and his mom

21:31

is my sister. And

21:33

he said he found me

21:35

in a recovery home. Oh,

21:38

the Holy Spirit just lit

21:40

us all three up and it was

21:43

amazing. I was hugging my

21:45

brother and sister in law were in the

21:47

car, my husband, my

21:49

grandson. They were driving

21:51

around the. They came up and opened

21:53

the door because we had to be at Long Beach Airport

21:55

to take my brother to the he

21:58

said, grab this is you with anybody

22:01

want you. And I said, yeah.

22:02

This is Grandma power. Like like,

22:05

yeah, if you're a grandma, you can

22:07

go up to the biker with the with

22:09

the shirt that says, I hate people.

22:11

I mean, that's grandma skills there. Well,

22:13

can I just say, Victoria, what a great call.

22:16

And what a great what a great story we

22:18

got to actually, if you hold that a line too, we're going to give you a

22:20

copy of the new book, Organic

22:22

Disciples Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually

22:24

and Naturally Share Jesus. And

22:26

I love that. Now that was like she turned up

22:28

the temperature way high.

22:30

And, you know, that's organic.

22:33

You know, you don't get that in a book. You don't

22:35

get you don't get that in a class.

22:37

You're sitting there, you notice the Holy Spirit

22:39

prompts you. And that's the key, is that

22:41

people, we as Christians need to learn that

22:43

God's giving those opportunities every

22:45

day. Just pay attention, just

22:47

notice and step into what God's doing naturally.

22:50

Not pushy, not demanding, just

22:52

gracious and kind of boy. You can hear grace

22:54

in that voice, couldn't you?

22:56

Oh, I thought.

22:56

That was so awesome. I want Victoria is my new

22:58

hero. That's the best call in a while.

23:00

I just love that she goes up. I mean, again,

23:03

because, you know, it's it's it's disarming

23:05

to have a grandma come up to you.

23:07

And again, it might be different depending upon,

23:10

you know, who you are, you know. And

23:12

but but looking for, you know, back to

23:14

the, you know, praying with eyes wide open to use your wife's

23:17

books title as well. Looking

23:19

for those opportunities really does

23:21

make a difference. Let me remind everybody that our phone

23:23

number invite you to call him. We're having some fun stories.

23:26

We're talking to Kevin Harney. Uh, we're

23:28

talking about some about his book Organic Outreach. We're going to

23:30

start talking more about his book, Organic Disciples in

23:32

just a moment. But we really enjoyed

23:34

some of the conversations that people have been giving. I

23:36

told you, I have a great audience, great, great listeners,

23:39

our phone number. Maybe you got an example of

23:41

some way that you have turned up the temperature

23:43

a bit in your evangelism and sharing

23:46

your faith and more. Uh, our phone number

23:48

is (877) 548-3675.

23:53

Again, that's (877) 548-3675.

23:56

I've got a note from my producer Karen, saying that was

23:59

a great call. And it was. That's my favorite

24:01

grandma right now. Victoria, we're. Thankful

24:03

for you as well. Okay.

24:05

So when when you see this

24:08

happen, um, uh,

24:10

sometimes it happens at work, which leads to one of our questions

24:12

here. And so we're going to go to George George's up in

24:14

River Grove, Illinois, Georgia, live on the air

24:17

with your question. Go right ahead.

24:20

Hi. Thank you. Um, yeah. So

24:22

I manage people. I have,

24:24

uh, I work in a hospital environment. I manage

24:26

a lot of people, and, um, and,

24:29

you know, by their actions, by their speech,

24:32

I can tell that most of these folks are not, are

24:34

not churchgoers. And and

24:36

I find it kind of hard to to

24:39

connect with them, or at least to, to be able

24:41

to, you know, uh, invite

24:43

them to church. How do I, I mean, or at least

24:45

speak the word to them. How do I how

24:48

do I go about that?

24:49

Yeah. And I think I think you also

24:51

in our call screener mentioned that

24:53

sometimes it's what people who work for you because

24:56

you're a manager and that sometimes becomes

24:58

a little bit tricky too. And I totally get that as well.

25:00

So I want you to hold on and listen in

25:02

just a moment. We're going to we're going to weigh in on

25:05

this question. But let me say

25:07

he wants to know about how to start building some of those bridges.

25:09

But let me mention that from a legal

25:11

perspective, the sharing your faith

25:13

outside of work time. So on your break

25:16

and your lunchroom, those things of that

25:18

sort in a way that

25:20

has no bearing on how you treat

25:22

your employees who work for you,

25:24

has been pretty much like like

25:26

everyone agreed. I think there was even a pamphlet put

25:28

out jointly by some Christian

25:30

ministry, and some I think it might have

25:33

been the ACLU or something that's, you know, pretty

25:35

progressive. And they basically were

25:37

saying that people at work can have conversations

25:40

about faith on their off time

25:42

and, you know, when they're not forced

25:44

and where there's no ramifications if someone doesn't

25:47

respond. We're going to continue our conversation with

25:49

Kevin Harney in just a moment, and we're going to answer your call,

25:51

more specifically, George on the other side. Stay

25:53

with us. Our number (877) 548-3675.

26:06

Hey, we're back at Stats are Live event center.

26:09

Continue our conversation with Kevin Harney. I

26:11

want you to stay on the line because after

26:13

Kevin answers the rest of your question, Karen

26:15

Henderson, our amazing producer, is going to come on the line

26:17

and give you a copy of Organic

26:19

Disciples Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually and Naturally

26:22

Share Jesus. So all right, so he's looking for

26:24

I kind of address some of the legal questions. So

26:26

he's looking for ways to build bridges with people at work.

26:28

What do you think.

26:29

So I'm going to say something that might be shocking

26:31

to hear a pastor of a local church say, because I'm a local

26:33

church pastor. And and that is George.

26:36

You said, you know, you want to maybe find a way to invite him to church.

26:38

And I'd say, don't invite him to church. Not right away.

26:40

I'd say invite him over for burgers, brats,

26:43

coleslaw, some potato salad or whatever

26:45

you like to cook. And

26:47

and if you're getting to know someone and you

26:49

get along with him, invite him into your home and invite him into

26:51

your life. Uh, hang out with them. They'll

26:54

learn more about your faith by being in your

26:56

home, in your backyard, meeting your

26:58

family. And in that context,

27:00

exactly like Ed just said, um,

27:03

you have every right in the world to

27:05

let the light of Jesus shine, to share who you are

27:07

and share your life. And your life is immersed

27:09

in the love and the grace of Jesus. And

27:11

so I'd say start with with

27:14

a broader relational connection. And most

27:16

people are much more open to come over for

27:18

a barbecue or to hang out with you than they are

27:20

to go to church with you start there. And

27:22

then from there you can build a relationship, and then

27:24

you can discern when a sermon series

27:27

is coming up or a topic at your church that might really

27:29

connect in their life, because you've got to know their life.

27:31

You know, we spend so much time with that 9 to 5

27:33

window we saw, you know, he he works at a hospital.

27:35

So I'm guessing he's not always 9 to 5. But that's

27:38

a lot of places where our relationships

27:40

take place. So super super call George.

27:42

Great question as well. We're going to

27:44

I want to hit some more calls because we've got some more calls

27:46

coming in. Matter of fact, I'm going to stop giving the number. We got so

27:49

many calls coming in. Uh, but here's what I want

27:51

to ask. I need callers to because we got we're about

27:53

the second half of the show, so we want to

27:55

get right to it. So with your question or

27:57

your comment or your example, I love that.

27:59

And and then we'll kind of press through. So we're

28:01

going to go first to Mia in Orlando,

28:04

Florida. Uh Mia, you are live

28:06

on the air with your comment. Jump right in.

28:09

Hey. Hi. Yeah. I just wanted to.

28:11

Let you know what my experience has been.

28:14

Um, I am a member of a fitness

28:16

club, and I do laps in the pool,

28:18

and I wear my AirPods. And

28:21

usually, I would say almost always

28:23

when I'm done doing laps, another

28:26

swimmer or another woman

28:28

will ask me, hey, what are you listening to?

28:30

And I'm always listening to a

28:32

moody podcast. And it's,

28:35

it's usually a some sort of Bible study.

28:37

And I it's, it's so

28:39

natural and so relaxed and I get to share

28:41

exactly whatever it is

28:44

the topic is. So I might it might be about the

28:46

thief on the cross or about Passover, or

28:48

about how Jesus treated

28:50

women, or what the Bible has to say about women

28:52

and the role. And, um,

28:54

it always leads to a great conversation.

28:57

You know, either the person might be a believer,

29:00

but they might not be, and they're really

29:02

curious. Oh, really? What what

29:04

are they saying on this podcast? What do you what

29:06

are you learning? And and it leads

29:08

to a great conversation.

29:11

Yeah. And I think, I think I love, first of all, Mia. Awesome.

29:13

And uh, and we, I love

29:16

Orlando, by the way, Lake Howell High school graduate here.

29:18

So, um, so but one of the,

29:20

one of the things is, is there's like a,

29:22

um, Mia has a

29:24

tool in a sense, that's prompting questions.

29:27

And, uh, you know, I think I have

29:29

a pastor friend who, um, I thank

29:31

you for your call. Me, I have a oh, I don't want

29:33

to give you a copy. I think we still have one more copy left, but

29:36

hold on a second. I'll tell you about in a minute. But I have a pastor

29:38

friend who got a tattoo

29:40

on, uh, in Greek

29:42

on his arm. I forget what it was. Now, uh,

29:44

to tell a story. Which is? It is finished.

29:47

And and, of course, you know, I mean, I

29:49

learned this from people that people who get tattoos,

29:52

whether they're kind of creative, they kind of, like,

29:54

are very happy when you ask them. And so

29:56

everyone asks him, well, what's that mean?

29:58

And what a great entree.

30:00

And in her case, I mean, Mia, first

30:02

of all, I didn't know you could like, listen to podcasts

30:05

while you were swimming. This is new news to me. She must

30:07

have some sort of, uh, you know, thing

30:09

that does that, but but my guess

30:11

is, like I would say to her, what are you listening

30:13

to when you're swimming? I mean, it just it's

30:15

like prompts like that. Are there

30:17

other things, Kevin, that you've seen that are prompts like that?

30:20

Yeah. Let's say thank you to me also,

30:22

and I love that, she said. It's just so natural.

30:24

That's what we mean by organic.

30:27

Yeah. It doesn't have to be scary for others or

30:29

for us. Just be a human being. Just

30:31

connect with people. Just be who you are and

30:33

you can have those conversations. I'll give one for

30:36

everybody out there that I will tell

30:38

you that probably in the next 2 to 3 weeks,

30:40

someone's going to ask you a question that will

30:42

open the door for a spiritual conversation. Let me tell

30:44

you what that question is. It's powerful.

30:47

And you're going to go, how did I walk past

30:49

this my whole life? Someone's to look at you and say,

30:51

hey, what'd you do this weekend? What

30:53

did you do this weekend? People ask that all

30:55

the time. And what

30:57

you need to do is when you're in church

30:59

on Sunday, listen for one

31:02

lesson. That would be something you could

31:04

share with a non-believer and just tuck that away in your heart.

31:06

And when someone says, what'd you do this weekend,

31:08

you can. One of the things you could say is, you know, I went

31:11

shopping. I went and watched my grandkids soccer game.

31:13

I went and did a hike. Oh, and I

31:15

had an amazing time at

31:17

my church. An amazing time. As a matter of fact, I learned

31:20

some things that were life changing. Pause.

31:23

And most of you are going to say like what?

31:26

And share that thought. I learned this about how

31:28

my personal finances and how generosity makes

31:30

the difference. I learned this about my relational

31:32

world. We're in a series right now at our church

31:34

on five ways to Make Every

31:36

Relationship Better. And

31:39

this week, uh, pastor

31:41

Doctor Ed Stetson is talking about bringing Jesus

31:44

some way, bringing your spiritual life into your relationship.

31:46

So we're talking about next week. I'm going to talk about making

31:48

time, but you can tuck away a simple lesson

31:51

from your Sunday sermon or your Sunday Sunday

31:53

school class. Something you learn, something you experience. When someone

31:55

says what you do this weekend,

31:57

make sure you let them know that you are gathered

31:59

together with a group of people and you learn

32:01

some life changing things and

32:03

see if they don't ask you like what? And

32:06

when you share, they'll realize that our faith

32:08

really does change our lives.

32:10

So good, so good. And I love I love

32:12

me as an example and I love so many other examples.

32:14

And it's just a reminder, Kevin, that that evangelism

32:17

is not dead. I mean, people are

32:19

and the cultures become more hostile. We get that.

32:21

And I think it's also worth noting that earlier,

32:23

as a pastor, you said, you know, don't necessarily invite them

32:25

first to church because the perception

32:28

of church has grown more negative in people's

32:30

mind. Not not, you know, we're still pro inviting people

32:32

to church, Easter, Christmas, great times if

32:34

you're doing a series of outreach, great times. But

32:36

but I think to the gospels,

32:39

kind of normal delivery system

32:41

is through relationships and the fact

32:43

that Mia has somebody saying, hey,

32:45

what you listening to? Probably

32:48

because somehow she's swimming and listening

32:50

at the same time, which I'm, I'm barely breathing

32:52

when I'm swimming, so what do I know? But super, super

32:54

Mia, thank you so much for your call and really,

32:56

really helpful as well. And I think, George,

32:59

we gave you a book earlier. Good. So we're making sure folks

33:01

have that. All right. Let's let's go to

33:03

let's go to Lindsey in

33:05

Blooming Grove, Texas.

33:07

I don't think I've ever heard of Blooming Grove, Texas.

33:09

Lindsey, you're live on the air with your question or your comment.

33:13

Hi.

33:13

Yes, and I have a comment of

33:15

my example of discipleship.

33:18

Um, I'm fairly new

33:20

and to study in the Bible probably a few years,

33:23

and at first I thought I

33:25

had to go on a mission

33:27

somewhere, right? To to disciple

33:29

the people. And then I finally realized I can do

33:31

it wherever I am. Um,

33:34

I work south of Dallas, so

33:36

I'm I'm kind of all over the place throughout

33:38

the week. So as I study the Bible,

33:40

I like to write down the verses

33:43

that reach out to me the most and

33:45

I keep them with me wherever I go. And

33:47

I just pass them out, um,

33:49

or I'll leave them in the bathroom or on a table

33:51

at a restaurant. Um, just

33:53

wherever I go, and I, I look for

33:56

signs for God to reach

33:58

out, you know, to other people.

34:01

Um, recently, my

34:03

church kind of empowered

34:06

me. And we we

34:08

are downtown and we have these

34:10

events. We had a bluebonnet festival

34:12

and I purchased 500

34:14

snacks and put Bible verses on every

34:16

single one of them, and I

34:19

single handedly passed them out to

34:21

everybody in the crowd. I didn't I

34:23

didn't speak about it. I just walked up

34:25

to people in need. I had waters, so

34:27

would you like a snack? And

34:29

some people were so grateful. And

34:32

then there were others that were like, why are they? Because

34:34

I would say these are free or free of charge.

34:37

And they would look at me and say, why?

34:39

And I would point to my church and

34:41

I would say, I'm here passing out snacks, inviting

34:43

people to church. Wow.

34:46

And I did that all day.

34:48

And we have another festival coming

34:50

up. Um, that's recently

34:52

that's been my ministry. Um, the

34:54

Lord told me at the beginning of this year he gave

34:56

me the name of the sower. I am a

34:58

sower of his word, and

35:01

he can speak better than I can. So

35:03

I just leave his messages everywhere I go.

35:06

Oh, that's so super. Lindsay, good for you. And what I

35:08

love the intentionality that's

35:11

there. Now, I would say I mean, we're

35:13

100% sure that we we want more than that.

35:15

I would say that level of intentionality

35:17

I often hear from like churches, like

35:19

like I think we're here. Isn't there like a

35:22

marathon here this weekend? Yeah.

35:24

So Big Sur.

35:25

Marathon, Big Sur marathon. So I'm sure some church

35:27

is going to be out there handing out water bottles. And I love

35:29

that. But I love the fact that, like, Lindsay's

35:31

not doing it with her church, she's doing it on her

35:33

own. And even I

35:35

love that as well. Lindsay, I'm out of books, but I

35:37

would give you a copy if

35:39

I had them of Organic Disciple seven

35:41

Ways to Grow Spiritually and Actually Share Jesus,

35:43

but I. But I love that. But I love how Lindsay has

35:45

just intentionally sought opportunities

35:49

to do those. Well,

35:51

I mean, like, I don't know why because I don't know

35:53

that that's organic. That's

35:55

like there's a boldness there that

35:57

I really think is really great. Where for

35:59

all of that, we're for we're for people

36:01

sharing information with their neighbors. We're for

36:03

people handing out gospel tracks. I'm

36:05

for people doing creative things at

36:08

fairs, you know, sharing the gospel

36:10

with their family. Love all of that. Okay, we've

36:12

got one more segment left. Our phone number

36:14

is (877) 548-3675.

36:17

We're going to talk when we get back about organic disciples

36:20

and how to grow, grow spiritually and naturally.

36:22

Share Jesus. Hey,

36:34

we're back at stats for live. We're in our final segment

36:36

today. We've got Kevin Hardy as our guest.

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His new book with Sheri Harney is called

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Organic Disciples Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually

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and Naturally Share Jesus.

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Let's take one more call, and then

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I want to ask you a few questions about the book

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that, that that the new book. What

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when did it come out? How new is it?

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It came out about a year ago. Okay.

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Super, super. Okay. So I think this call

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is actually from someone who's from your

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old stomping grounds, Hudsonville, Michigan.

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You know, where Hudsonville, Michigan is?

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I served for 20 years in West Michigan.

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They're in that area, so I know it very, very well.

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All right.

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Well, let's go to Kathy in Hudsonville, Michigan. You're

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live on the air. Kathy.

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Hi. Thank you. Um, I

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want to say that I give all glory to God.

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And my

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husband's a pastor also, who has served

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here for over 25 years.

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And we lost our son seven years ago

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with a heart attack. He was only 32.

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And that was tragic. I mean, it

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was heartbreaking. And I have to say,

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after three days, the Holy Spirit gave me

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a piece that I just

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cannot explain to people. It's

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just something that he gave me a piece.

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He's he's given me words to say.

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And the people he has brought into my

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life that have lost children.

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I'm amazed. I'm just

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amazed. And I never am afraid to talk

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about the glory of God

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and the peace of God, the

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Holy Spirit. I

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just am thankful that God

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has given me that, uh, the words.

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Because I couldn't have done this. No way, no

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way could I have done this without that.

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Um.

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Well, let me say, Cathy, we we grieve

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with you. I know that's that's hard. Heartbreaking.

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But I also so thankful that you,

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uh, you know, that pain is just

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a connection point. And the Lord

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bringing grace and peace in the midst

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of that. Um, I can't tell you how many

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times in the midst of a difficult situation

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or from a difficult situation. I've heard somebody

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share the gospel from their pain to somebody

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in pain and the difference it made.

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And, you know, we have a ministry at our church

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called Grief Share. We didn't invent it. It's out there. It's in

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lots of churches. But the couple

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that started that ministry in our church had lost

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their college son in a senior

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year of college in a tragic accident.

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And this couple, Terry and Betsy,

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uh, after a number of years of walking

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through grief and experiencing

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God's touch and healing and presence, felt like they

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were ready to help others. And so we've had,

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over the last decade, many,

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many, many extended sessions

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of grief share. And it's amazing how

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many non-believers, because we

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advertise it in the community, how many non-believers

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have come to be to find comfort and care

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and discovered that ultimately, the best place to find

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that comfort and care is the God who made them, and the God who

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watches over them. And so,

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just so thankful for your

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testimony of God's grace and presence

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through that deep loss. And again, we we

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grieve with you over that loss, but that

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God can take those things and redeem

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them. And so for churches, if you don't

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have a a grief share a ministry

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for people going through grief and bringing Jesus in the midst

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of that, that may be a natural way, an

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organic, natural way to connect people who

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are looking for comfort and care to Jesus,

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to the local church, and to people who will love them and walk

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with them. Yeah.

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You know, I once told, um, I think it

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was Kay Warren of Rick and Kay Warren

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that I thought that the greatest

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ministry they have would not be

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the books that they wrote. Or

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and again, it was kind of it was in a we're friends.

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It was context of that. It's not something I would blurt

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out to a stranger, but probably

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the greatest impact of that is when they shared their pain.

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I remember I think it was Larry King

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back in the day. I was flying from

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Nashville to Dallas, and

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I think he was on Larry King, and

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they were on Larry King, just sharing about the pain

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of their son, who had died by suicide.

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And and there

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were crowds of people in

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when I left Dallas, I was flying back to Nashville.

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There were crowds of people around the television watching

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them talk about it. And when I landed in Nashville, there

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were crowds of people still there. And so,

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um, because I think there's something about and

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so I'm so thankful that that, first

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of all, that God gave you grace and peace in the midst of that

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you mentioned three days after. But I know the

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grief comes in waves, but also how you

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continue to, uh, to

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honor the Lord and honor his memory

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as well. So, Cathy, thank you so much for your

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call as well. All right. Talk to me a little bit,

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Kevin, about because you had organic outreach.

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And then last year you publish and Sherri

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wrote this book, Organic Disciples, which

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sort of ties in when we hear discipleship,

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we think of, like, kind of post-Christian

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growth. Yeah. But the full title is Organic

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Disciples Seven Ways to Grow Spiritually

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Like That and still naturally share

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Jesus. I love how that's there. But talk to us some about

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those ways to grow spiritually that you talk about in the book.

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Well, it was interesting when, uh,

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Sharon, I had written three books about outreach,

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organic, extraordinary people, kind

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of our personal outreach, organic for churches

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as a congregation, how we reach out, and then organic outreach for

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families. How do you turn the place you

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live into a lighthouse? And so we thought. We're done with

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writing about that topic. And then a

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national group in New Zealand actually

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said, Will you come and spend a week speaking to us

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about how discipleship,

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our spiritual growth, connect with outreach

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evangelism? And we said,

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well, that's not really our thing. We you know, I'm

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an evangelist. I have the calling of an evangelist.

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That's kind of our thing. And this

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group kept pushing on us. So we finally we spent

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about six months studying and preparing. And as we were doing

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that, we really felt like God was opening our

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eyes to the important connection

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between how we grow

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in Jesus and how we go with Jesus.

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And if we're growing in Jesus, we should be going

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with Jesus. So what we've learned is that all

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of the practices of our spiritual lives, all of the

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things that we do to grow personally, make

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us more like Jesus. That's the idea.

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And we become more like Jesus. Guess what? Our heart

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is like Jesus and His heart was always for the lost,

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for the for forgotten and the broken. So.

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So we discovered that passionate

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prayer. If you're a person of prayer, you'll

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grow to pray for those that are lost and even pray with

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non-believers. I can tell you if I give you one takeaway

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today, that could be an amazing

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life changer and game changer for your listeners

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in terms of their outreach. Personal outreach

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in a natural way is that if

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you're a person of prayer and you're growing in prayer

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when you when

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you are talking with somebody, a non-believer,

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and they share about a deep moment of pain,

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if you say to them, you know, listen, I,

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I really believe that there's power in prayer. I don't

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want to put any pressure on you, but I would be so honored

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if I could take a moment right now and just pray

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for you in what you're going through in this

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loss you've gone through and you lost your job, you lost a child,

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you lost a relationship. And

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I can tell you at thousands of

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times I've done that with non-believers, atheists,

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thousands of times. I've had four times. I can count them

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on one hand that someone has said no. Almost

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everyone says you would do that for me,

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or I'd love that. Or they tear up and there. And

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so if I could say to your listeners, when someone

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shares a deep pain, if you would

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very kindly say, I'd

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be honored if I could take just a moment and pray for you.

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And you can actually, you don't even have to close your eyes. We

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can just talk right here to God. And and

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most people will say yes. And God shows up in those moments.

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And if someone shares an incredible

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joy, I just got to raise up my job. I just got a new

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job. I just I just became a grandpa

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or a grandma at that moment say,

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you know, would you mind? I would, could I just take

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a moment and thank God for that and pray and

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won't use any weird language, won't say anything strange. I just

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want to thank God for that. And if someone says no, thank

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you, no problem. But normally they say yes.

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And that opens the door for the presence of Jesus.

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Each part of our spiritual lives in the word and prayer

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and worship. All of those can and should

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lead us out to the world with the gospel

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of Jesus. So.

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So when you in the in the book, do

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you kind of walk through like, you know, I don't

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just list all seven practices because we really wouldn't have time,

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but what are some of the ways to grow spiritually

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that you include in that.

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So, so wholehearted worship

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growing in your worship can lead and worshipers go

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out into the world. Passionate prayer, biblical

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engagement, humble service. Jesus

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served. So we serve joyful

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generosity in a selfish world with Christians

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who are generous. That speaks to the world.

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Organic outreach, consistent community.

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Being in the family of God. The more we're connected to the

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family, we can invite people into that family. All

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of these. There's there's seven primary practices

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that were modeled by Jesus, taught by Jesus.

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They will lead you to the world with the gospel.

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And so who would the audience for this book

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be? Is this new Christians? It's going to be something that small groups

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can do. Uh, Christian has been

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Christian for a while.

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Tell us there's a small group curriculum that comes with it.

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There's videos that are free on

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on the organic outreach website. That's organic outreach.

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Org and or and or

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you can go to Organic Disciples org and you can find

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the videos for free. Our publisher told

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us that we created more free resources for that

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book than any they've ever seen in the

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history of Christianity. They said all.

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Live since 2000 years.

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Giving it away. That's they don't they they keep the

45:12

records, not me. Well, and it's also publisher.

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So you know, you gotta you never to believe that but almost but.

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Almost everything almost every you know we put these things

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out there for free and there's sermon

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materials for pastors, free small

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group materials for free. And so just, uh, we

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want to help Christians grow so they can

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go.

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Love it, love it. And of course, the title of the book

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is Organic Disciples Seven

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Ways to Grow Spiritually and Naturally

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Share Jesus by Kevin and Jerry Harney.

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And you guys. I mean, people don't realize this. How many

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like they you're a pastor here,

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but like, you're not like the super

45:42

famous pastor. No, but your

45:45

books have sold millions of copies around the

45:47

world. And again, that's why I was a joy to

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bring you to Moody Church. I recommend Organic Outreach

45:51

all the time, and now I'm adding organic disciples

45:53

to that as well. So let me thank Kevin Harney, our guests,

45:56

for joining us today. Thanks to our behind

45:58

the scenes team at Moody Radio, Karen Hendren and

46:00

and Bob Morrow. I've already mentioned Laura's on the phones

46:02

today and what great callers. Thank you for our callers

46:05

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46:07

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46:46

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