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It's Monday, the 22nd of May, 2023. I'm
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Kenneth Kukie, the
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Economist Deputy Executive Editor, and
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welcome to Editor's Picks, where
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you can hear three highlights from the weekly
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edition of The Economist read aloud.
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This week's cover story follows a discussion
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that our editors recently had with Henry
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Kissinger. Mr. Kissinger
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oversaw some of the most controversial
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and consequential foreign policy decisions
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of the 20th century. Nobody
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alive has more experience in international affairs.
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Since stepping down as America's national security
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advisor and Secretary of State 46 years
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ago, he has been a consultant and emissary
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to monarchs, presidents, and prime ministers.
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In our discussion with Mr. Kissinger and
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our cover story, we look at America's
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foreign policy and argue
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that Joe Biden's global vision is
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too timid and too pessimistic.
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Next, this week we also published a special
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report on the fight over the future of payments.
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Digital payments have transformed domestic
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finance. Now the competition
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is going global.
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And finally, we turn to Afghanistan,
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where the Taliban seem to be emphasizing
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animal welfare. The
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stories you're about to hear are just a sample
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of what's on offer in the weekly edition of The Economist.
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First up, a new world
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order. In the
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1940s and early 1950s, America
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built a new world order out
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of the chaos of war.
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For all its shortcomings, it kept
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the peace between superpowers and
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underpinned decades of growth that
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lifted billions out of poverty.
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Today, that order, based on global
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rules, free markets, and an American
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promise to uphold both, is
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fraying.
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Toxic partisanship at home has
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corroded confidence in America's government.
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The financial crisis of 2007-9 dented faith in
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markets. America's failures
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in Iraq and Afghanistan undermined
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its claim to spread democracy.
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Today, most countries refuse to
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heed its call to enforce sanctions
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on Russia, and China's rise
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has spurred American politicians to
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take a more selfish, zero-sum
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approach to geopolitics. China's
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rise has also increased the
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threat of war. In a conversation
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with the economist, Henry Kissinger,
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who will be one hundred this month, warns
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that China and America are on
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the path to confrontation.
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Both sides have convinced themselves
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that the other represents a strategic
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danger, he says.
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The stakes could not be higher. Both
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are nuclear-armed. Both are
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also dabbling with unpredictable
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artificial intelligence, or AI.
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The elder statesman's eldest statesman
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worries that, just as before the First
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World War, the superpowers will
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stumble into catastrophe.
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Since arriving in the Oval Office in 2021,
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Joe Biden has
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developed a new strategy to preserve
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American preeminence and reduce
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the risk of conflict.
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Jake Sullivan, the latest of Mr
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Kissinger's successors as National
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Security Advisor, recently
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gave the fullest account yet of this
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Biden doctrine.
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His narrative weaves together middle-class
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prosperity, defense, and
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climate change.
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He repudiates the free market Washington
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consensus and calls for the
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government to play a muscular role
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in society with a strong emphasis
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on national security.
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This means hyperactive industrial
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policy. Big subsidies
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will catalyze private investment in
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semiconductors and clean energy.
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Export controls will create a
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small yard and high fence to
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keep selected technology with potential
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military uses out of unfriendly
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hands. At the same time,
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the administration is softening
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its rhetoric.
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Instead of decoupling from
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China's economy, it talks of de-risking.
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It wants to find common ground
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on climate change, African debt, and
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even Ukraine.
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On May 10th and 11th, Mr.
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Sullivan spent eight hours with his
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Chinese counterpart, the first high-level
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contact for months.
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Behind the doctrine is a belief
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that a virtuous circle can make
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America and the world safer.
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State intervention and protectionism
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will boost industry, helping the middle
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class and cooling America's populist
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fevers. Less erratic
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leadership, after Donald Trump's, will
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restore America's authority abroad, even
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if the Biden team breaks a few
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global economic rules.
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Your relationship with China will be managed
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with strategic maturity.
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As a precaution, America will
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keep spending large sums on its military
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forces to deter China from
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aggression.
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Will the new doctrine work?
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After the chaos of the Trump years, Mr.
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Biden's commitment to diplomacy is
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welcome.
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It will be on display at the G7 summit
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this week.
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He is right that American foreign policy
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must deal with new challenges from
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Chinese coercion to climate change.
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However, Especially when compared
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with the post-1945 order,
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the Biden Doctrine is flawed.
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Its diagnosis of America's problems
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is too pessimistic,
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and some of its prescriptions would
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make America weaker.
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Start with the economy. Despite
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what many believe, America's economic
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power is not declining.
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With 4% of the world's people, it
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generates 25% of global output, a
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share unchanged since 1980.
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No other big country is as
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prosperous or innovative.
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As we noted last week, the size
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of China's economy is unlikely
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ever to surpass America's by much.
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The main source of America's strength
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is creative destruction and
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open markets in a rules-based
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global economy. So although Mr.
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Biden is right to reinforce the social
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safety net, his state-led,
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insular economic vision may
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ultimately erode living standards
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and American clout.
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The Biden Doctrine seeks to stabilize
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relations with an autocratic and
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paranoid China. In this
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task, it is hampered by a second
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floor.
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It muddles legitimate policies with
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America-first rule-bending.
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Mr. Sullivan wants to combine export
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controls with cooperative trade
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and an arms race with collaboration.
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But China's leaders think this
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strategy is meant to keep China
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down.
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America's case would be stronger if
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export controls didn't keep expanding,
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if Trump-era tariffs were not still
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in place, and if its politicians
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were not vying to out-hawk each
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other on China. The lack
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of agreement on trade makes everything
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harder.
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Never mind rules on AI,
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America and China have no system
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for nuclear arms control. China's
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our system.
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national, will almost quadruple
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by 2035.
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The final floor concerns allies.
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Mr. Biden has backed Ukraine and
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revived NATO and alliances
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in Asia.
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Yet America's unpredictable economic
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nationalism and unwillingness to
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offer access to its markets undermines
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its influence. Europe fears
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a subsidy race and worries
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escalating tensions with China will
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cause it severe damage.
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Our calculations show Germany's economy
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is twice as exposed to China as
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America's is.
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The decay of global rules is
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accelerating the embrace of a transactional
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approach to foreign policy by emerging
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economies.
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The post-1945 order rested
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on American constancy. Each
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administration was guided by
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predictable interests.
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Today, allies and enemies
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know chaos may follow the election
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in 2024. Trumpian
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dysfunction is not
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Mr. Biden's fault, but it makes
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it vital to be predictable and open
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now.
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Americans need to be persuaded that
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a more optimistic, positive-some approach
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is in their interests.
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This is the key that will keep their country
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strong and unlock a better foreign
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policy by allowing it to
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help forge new global rules
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on trade, climate, AI,
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and more that old allies and new ones
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can rely on.
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Such a revived global order
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would be the best defense against an autocratic
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one led by China.
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Unfortunately, the Biden doctrine
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fails to rebut the narrative of American
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decline, and so has not
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resolved the tension between the country's
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toxic politics and its role
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as the linchpin of a liberal order.
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Unless America looks out at the world with
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self-confidence,
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it will struggle to lead
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it. it.
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On May 27th, Henry Kissinger will turn 100.
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These days, he is slightly stooped and walks
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with difficulty, but his mind is
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needle sharp.
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Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the rise
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of China mean that Mr. Kissinger's great
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power theories are circling back into
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relevancy. Whether you like
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him or not, it is worth hearing what he has to
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say. And you can do just that
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by listening to our special podcast with Mr.
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Kissinger. Find that by searching
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for The Economist on your podcast app
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or at economist.com slash
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Kissinger dash podcast.
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Next, the fight over the future
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of global payments. Over
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the past two decades, the ways people
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pay, receive and transfer
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money have changed beyond recognition.
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The revolution began in 2007 when
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M-Pesa made it possible for Kenyans
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to make payments with a text message.
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In 2011, Alipay
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launched Payment by QR Code
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in China, a system that has all
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but replaced cash in cities. Since
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then, India's state-led Unified
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Payments Interface, or UPI,
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and Brazil's PIX have vastly
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widened access to the financial system
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among the poor.
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As our special report explains,
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globally, the use of notes and coins
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has been cut by a third,
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e-commerce has boomed and
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life without digital payments has
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become unimaginable. Having
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transformed how people use money at home,
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the race to transform payments is now
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going global. Cross-border
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retail spending, including tourist
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of Ukraine.
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Volumes on C.I.P.S.
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have surged since 2020, helped
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by Russia being mostly cut out of
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swift.
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But building a sanctions work-around
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is not the only goal.
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Countries also crave for themselves
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the clout that comes with control
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over the world's financial infrastructure, as
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well as seeking more convenience for their people
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when they transact internationally. The
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West might fear a fragmentation of the
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global financial infrastructure that allows
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wrongdoers to escape future sanctions,
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yet a more open landscape for global
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payments will benefit its consumers
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and businesses.
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Under competitive pressure, Swift
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has already upgraded its once clunky
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system and has nearly halved the
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cost of messaging.
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The average cost of a remittance has been
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cut by a third in the past decade,
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partly because of new fintechs. The
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Western card networks are overdue
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a shakeup, the typical 1% cross-border
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fee they charge, on top of a 1-3% levy on
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merchants, supports
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company-wide net margins of around 50%
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among the highest in the world for listed firms.
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The spread of Alipay, UPI,
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and even other newcomers like GrabPay
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in Southeast Asia, or WhatsAppPay,
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which just launched in Singapore and Brazil,
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will give consumers other options.
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Domestic payments markets have tended
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to be winner-takes-most because
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people like using a big network
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with lots of other users.
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For cross-border payments, consumers
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and businesses will tend to favour the payment
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system they use in their respective
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home countries.
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Since it is increasingly easy
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for merchants to accept many
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different payment options, change
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seems likely.
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A system where people can use their domestic
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networks to pay abroad promises
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to be more convenient as well
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as cheaper.
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The countries that benefit most will be
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those that stay open to all platforms
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and let them overlap rather than
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forcing people to use national champions.
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And though the West will lose some power
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as a result of the proliferation of alternatives
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to its payment systems,
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it will maintain the ability to levy
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the most effective forms of sanctions
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on flows of trade and technology.
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The digitization of finance has already
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made billions of lives better.
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The new global race promises
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to enhance those gains.
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And finally, the pooches
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of pan shear. Global
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welfare was not considered a big priority
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for the Taliban when they rolled back into
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Kabul in August, 2021. A
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Kabul based animal rescue charity
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called nowzad run by a
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former British soldier created
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such a fuss in the British press that
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Boris Johnson, the then prime minister,
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permitted it to load 94 stray
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dogs and 68 cats
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onto one of the last flights out of the country.
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They were the lucky ones. Kabul's
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street dog population ballooned
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as Afghans abandoned their pooches
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before fleeing the country.
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We found lots of well-trained rare breeds
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in the early days, says...
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Mohammed Ismail, a vet
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with another British animal charity called
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Mayhew. When Kabul
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fell, Mayhew told its Afghan
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staff to stay at home. As a
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British organisation, it feared reprisals.
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It also assumed the Taliban hated
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dogs, which pious Muslims consider
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impure. But it was not long
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before Mayhew was asked by the Taliban
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to get back to work. Every
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day at dawn, the charity sends its vets
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out with dog catchers from Kabul's Taliban-controlled
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administration. Armed
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with giant nets, most days they
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nab about 60 strays which they
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neuter and inoculate against rabies.
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After a few days' recuperation at the charity's
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facilities, the Kurds are returned
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to the streets. The Taliban
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mayor of Kabul is said to be delighted
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with this work. The administration
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recently chalked up Mayhew's vaccination
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of around 30,000 stray
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dogs as one of its successes.
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Nausad has also now returned to
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Kabul, where its activities
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include running a small animal clinic.
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The Taliban have permitted the NGO
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to continue with our mission objectives,
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says Nausad's founder, Pen Farthing,
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a former royal marine. During
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his five recent visits to Kabul,
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he found the Taliban amenable and
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always polite and friendly. He
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thinks the international community should
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stop shunning them. They are back
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in power because we put them back in power,
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he suggests, a tad cynically.
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Mayhew says it fully complies
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with the Taliban's rules, including
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an order banning NGOs from employing
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women. It's awful, says Caroline
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Yates of Mayhew, but we are
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first and foremost an animal
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welfare organisation.
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I'm
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Kenneth Kukier, and in London, this
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is The Economist.
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