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0:42

t de whistle stop tour of Europe

0:44

with the Pm and a pack of

0:46

other a political editors and journalists. Not

0:49

talk about that a bit later now.

0:51

Js: Where are you? I'm in Birmingham

0:53

where I have mainly day this week

0:55

because I am station back in the

0:57

middle of the country for the mayoral

0:59

elections, local election week. next week I'm

1:01

Merrill elections and it's going be an

1:03

absolute blockbuster so we're going to do

1:06

a lot of that next week. But

1:08

Wraith, where are you. I'm in some

1:10

East Lothian today. I'm in my house where I'm

1:12

excited, confined to barracks, but I'm also making a

1:14

guest appearance on a phone bike for the Tory

1:16

candidate at the West. But let's meet election next

1:19

week. So I'm doing what I can from from

1:21

the house, but there's there's no. Be flipped books thing

1:23

I'm at rate. How to shoulder a slightly run a

1:25

Mccain Killers that the hospital a give me this

1:27

week and I thought you know what the grand

1:29

I'll just take parasite mother like google and I'll

1:31

see have a d a lesson about the data

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half the had to put the Gpl plate. Please

1:36

give me the good stuff fleet. On

1:42

this sub site, the prime minister has had

1:44

a big week trying to get. On.

1:46

Top Katie Bulls. The brilliant

1:49

political editor at The Spectator, she

1:51

called it The Shore. Up Sooner week?

1:53

I'm I wish I'd thought of that. Because

1:55

that is kind of what it was. So going

1:57

to talk a bit about how we go on.

2:00

Plus what kind of weakest Vladimir

2:02

Putin been having. Now the

2:04

West disagreed this package of aid

2:06

for Ukraine and will hear. From

2:08

one of our dysfunctional is when not

2:11

souza thing she called them, the Dysfunctional

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2:56

Let let's start with that busy

2:58

week for the Prime Minister He

3:00

has been. In. Poland,

3:02

Berlin. He's now back in

3:04

London as I'm I. I'm

3:06

nearly dead than a how

3:08

he's doing, but it was

3:10

absolutely an insane itinerary. And

3:12

he also got the rwanda

3:15

a bill through parliament this

3:17

week. So. Race: Is

3:19

he on top this way? How's he do

3:21

the Pm? Me I think there

3:23

is a longstanding tradition in this country the if

3:25

you find a things a bit sticky oh me

3:28

too i guess if a brawl for us it's

3:30

of know a lot of the and the.it and

3:32

a work for them and that's why to keep

3:34

doing it but yeah the I think in terms

3:36

of. It. Okay if you had

3:39

a sliding scale of good to bad weeks

3:41

of the premises like is as a result

3:43

shelters recently. So excited to this week. I

3:45

think is is probably an for him one

3:47

of the better week that you had in

3:49

his premiership. he always little bit thicker if

3:51

you're on the world stage and that's part

3:53

of the point of doing it you trying

3:55

to flex being prime minister, going into election

3:58

and looking prime ministerial and no big. No

4:00

big missteps. Muffins fall apart. You come back

4:02

and see specificity assigned to like he did

4:05

at the best sort of half term break

4:07

that the a political journalists get off at.

4:09

So yes I guess we know be victim.

4:11

It sounds like he suddenly said i are

4:13

a couple of days let's go through the

4:15

week then cause he started off with. Rwanda.

4:19

Now. Neither. Of you. Like.

4:22

This policy said different reasons but he

4:24

both don't particularly like the policy. But

4:26

I have to say on Monday morning

4:28

is I was contemplating go into the

4:30

gym I got a message from the

4:32

news desk at seven am going you

4:34

know came to the gym your bones

4:37

number ten because there is a S

4:39

P M press conference so straight out

4:41

of the traps on Monday at with

4:43

is operational plan is gonna get flights

4:45

away in a regular rhythm from July

4:47

on woods he wouldn't put numbers on

4:50

how many asylum seekers he wanted. To

4:52

send to Rwanda to have that

4:54

claims processed up. but it wasn't

4:56

the old fly, it was a

4:58

pattern of flights he hadn't are

5:01

sealed readies. Go commercial flights on

5:03

standby. he's from three to people

5:05

to process the claims east east

5:07

or course ready. To sit and

5:09

he are legal appeals I mean basically

5:12

is a prime minister that was try

5:14

insists convey to us all that he

5:16

has a plan raised to shake he

5:18

had chest he fallen off the chair.

5:20

They have really exposed to everything

5:22

he said is total bullshit. The

5:25

recently corporate numbers on it is

5:27

because it's not through, it's not

5:29

real F B I did have

5:32

an ideology that Rishi Soon act.

5:34

Controls. What judges do is

5:36

for the birds. It's literally not in

5:39

his purview to identify a hundred and

5:41

fifty judges. He cannot answer any questions

5:43

about when the flight ticket to take

5:45

off, who the flights are gonna be

5:47

with. I actually think if is is

5:50

so of a bit of a misstep

5:52

as the trouble with Rishi soon act

5:54

and the Rwanda thing is that he

5:56

hasn't read even the polling and will

5:59

spoken to and. One in the country

6:01

because everybody in the country like even

6:03

the people he really liked to stop

6:05

the boats and really like everyone at

6:07

an unwilling to admit that are not

6:09

may both on moral level of just

6:11

stick or reasons I am against it

6:13

or not May there is a you

6:15

know quite a hefty part of the

6:17

population who agree with this policy. however

6:19

none of them agree that it will

6:21

actually work to stop the boats or

6:23

take talking about the misstep at the

6:25

press conference the question I asked him

6:27

was. His the some

6:29

moments of success for you and

6:32

how many people do you feel

6:34

you need to send to Rwanda

6:36

to make this policy look effective?

6:38

Will be effective right now. The

6:40

second best the question he just

6:42

ignored. but when he said on

6:45

the much of success stories he

6:47

said successes stop in the boats

6:49

my soul. Wow. Such a really high bar

6:51

on your lasting yourself to something you're not going hit

6:53

and and I think it's or talk about all of

6:55

the stuff of a the. Meat. Of what

6:57

you're seeing in the press conference and all of

7:00

this of the he says he has done or

7:02

the is in place or that is going to

7:04

Athens and all the headlines were just flight not

7:06

taking off and spring which is what you said

7:08

Me so even for the purpose of what the

7:10

press conference was supposed to be which was reassuring

7:13

people. Out there who do like this

7:15

policy and I'm. Not. One of

7:17

them I think we should. It'll take care

7:19

of our own situation we don't that on

7:21

other countries issued her own partner world the

7:24

of a theater transparent and migration policy. Yes

7:26

not ever that comes here gets to say

7:28

but we need to process claim Slusser and

7:30

there's a whole host of like be seasons

7:32

but just from the optics of of the

7:34

people at my even like this the only

7:36

thing the haired was the prime minister saying.

7:39

We're. Not doing in the spring like we said, vivid. Satellite.

7:42

That big that's the bit the chemical so

7:44

it was already a box. The press conference

7:46

for me eat looking at the consulate. At

7:49

A and also watch. As says

7:51

even people who are desperate to

7:53

reduce migration to see people not

7:55

cross the channel likely saw this

7:57

week in the casualties at that

7:59

involves. That horrific loss of life. You know

8:01

they don't think this is going to work.

8:04

So much in a world in which. He.

8:06

Does get the flights way. That

8:08

is a regular rhythm of flights

8:11

going through the summer. He

8:14

then at least presumably can

8:16

go to the electorate and

8:18

say. I. Said I was

8:20

gonna do it. A plan is working.

8:22

I thought she got these flights way.

8:25

This is how we're gonna deal with

8:27

illegal migration Labour Day. Have a plan

8:29

and just I know you'll You'll say

8:31

they do have a plan. Repeatedly said

8:34

that the gop lab at yes but

8:36

but his son know another world in

8:38

which he looks like a man. Who

8:41

in the end despite the hurdles, did what

8:43

he said he would day race. Can you

8:45

give him no credit for this at all?

8:48

Or I think he's been badly Advice:

8:50

I think there is absolutely a way

8:52

in which you can reduce the numbers

8:54

and leak tougher on immigration. And the Labour

8:56

party a little at the moment. What he's trying

8:58

to do is call that people have nice to

9:00

reform. I think that's a difficult because actually

9:03

if you're old that ill conceived on

9:05

that. Move on those grounds on immigration. So

9:07

you're not gonna believe that the Tory party

9:09

to the rate of reformed because cause we're

9:11

not a nor should we be frankly. But

9:13

I think the problem that he's got his

9:16

is doubling down on the stop the bulls

9:18

because even if he goes and even if

9:20

the messaging is in an election campaign and

9:22

in this. It's and be to be no rest

9:24

of it. I'm. Doing all of the stuff

9:26

labor we don't do that, it's the A recruited

9:28

be on this doesn't even speak your starmer but

9:31

all and moderate Justin Turner said he said he

9:33

said you stop the boats, you want to stop

9:35

them by a third utilize. My off

9:37

to a press conference. A couple

9:39

of people did message mean say

9:41

that was bad politics like your

9:43

question. he could have swerved bar

9:45

thought chess. is that a world

9:47

in which these flights going away.

9:50

It is a bit if a problem

9:52

for labour because he looks like he's

9:54

beginning to turn it around. The reason

9:56

is picked Rwanda to lash himself taste

9:59

is because. Heartless himself to the

10:01

the actual two things that are shown

10:03

repeatedly to be the most important things

10:05

at the moment in the elections to

10:08

the British public size, the Nhs and

10:10

the Cost of Living crisis and he

10:12

cannot deliver anything on either one of

10:14

those. And he cannot get away from

10:17

the fact that a they've been in

10:19

for forty years remember is the only

10:21

one that is slightly like as this

10:23

is a new thing and we're trying

10:26

something new and nobody else tried it

10:28

before. This isn't new news. This is

10:30

a third piece of legislation on Sept

10:32

three in four years to get people

10:35

off to Rwanda states at the idea

10:37

that he's like you know getting stuff

10:39

done fast is like for the birds

10:41

are literally like had gone into the

10:43

many pores in the signs that say

10:46

have that of Tibet and woman at

10:48

the beginning of the Rwanda debacle and

10:50

now I a basic place a spit

10:52

still on the you've never been a

10:54

member of our at lunch today or

10:57

middle age. My mom actually used to

10:59

say that. Said Gary gone for he

11:01

fell off and on the forty fourth. That

11:03

has nothing wrong. The fact that he answered

11:05

your question in the way that he answered

11:08

them I actually don't think he would have

11:10

been advised to say you know success is

11:12

stopping the boats that it was a moments

11:14

of whether it's arrogance or hope let's to

11:16

be generous that he shouldn't have says because

11:19

all any one is now going to last

11:21

game is Remember when he said to Best

11:23

Rugby that you were going to stop the

11:25

boats and that's what success, Your failure. I.

11:28

Really do think this is one

11:30

in which the prime minister a

11:32

he has no option but to

11:34

dry and deliver some of this

11:36

because every time the heartless got

11:38

higher he has insisted that he

11:41

will scale it and he will

11:43

sit these targets So. He

11:45

really has found himself to this

11:48

policy and. That. Perhaps is a

11:50

world in which some flights get away. Now.

11:57

The authors sing this week in the.

12:00

Sure up Sooner Week trademark

12:02

Katie Bulls was this trip

12:04

this this-to Poland and Germany

12:07

with thought-across Europe. He had

12:09

this big press conference with

12:12

the Nato Secretary General, Jens

12:14

Stoltenberg. He met Poland Prime

12:16

Minister Donald Tusk. he went

12:19

over to Germany to me

12:21

Chancellor Souls And as this

12:24

was all happening in Europe

12:26

this week, the Us finally

12:29

approved to sixty. One billion

12:31

pound aid package military aid

12:33

for Ukraine's have been stopped

12:35

in Congress some set so

12:38

what this was was the

12:40

siege coordination actually of allies.

12:42

To send a message. To peace in

12:44

that the West was united behind

12:47

Ukraine and they would do whatever

12:49

it takes for as long as

12:51

it takes. And then within all

12:53

is that the Prime Minister did

12:55

this big announcement on defense spending.

12:57

Conservatives have been pushing him on

12:59

it for months to list off

13:01

spending on defense from two to

13:03

two point five percent of Gdp.

13:05

He said he do. It by twenty thirty.

13:08

It was a big moment. Again

13:10

another big election plank race. What

13:12

did you think if it all

13:14

in his performance. One. I

13:17

think the most important thing is what happened in the states. I

13:19

went overseas greens see what's happening last year and

13:21

by a strong view before I went. And double

13:23

as much as I came back is. ask them

13:26

what They won't give them what they want. Double

13:28

it and give them more again. Because as much

13:30

as. What's going on in the

13:32

Middle East and what's going on in Gaza?

13:34

Katrina? will detention courses happening and. You

13:36

Cream is arguably a

13:39

far more geopolitically. Or

13:41

do city gigli, important

13:43

conflicts. What's happening in

13:45

Ukraine is an autocratic

13:47

and irredentist Russia. That.

13:49

Is invaded a democratic country and if

13:51

it is a late. To succeed it

13:53

will get soccer to. Every

13:56

autocrat, any fleet in the world. It will

13:58

show that the West is completely game. That

14:00

the Empire World Order will change

14:02

on If I were living in

14:04

Taiwan. Or if I were living in

14:06

parts of Bosnia. Very. Close to report to

14:08

the Sap scarf or if I was living

14:10

in South Korea with my neighbor to the

14:12

north I would be very very nervous as

14:14

well as all of those other areas that

14:16

were portals. Agree to Soviet Union that couldn't

14:19

clearly has his eye on good secret is

14:21

completed that that money has been held up.

14:23

Is. A tragedy and has cost of those

14:25

had lives and is cost territory and

14:27

times the war in Ukraine So that's

14:29

been the biggest news of the world

14:31

this week or think by a country

14:33

mile I think in terms of what

14:35

rishi as the on on showing that

14:37

there is corporation certain issues as part

14:39

of it was on security suing that

14:41

or are giving an indication that minute

14:43

for real estate given with the pools

14:45

are it's not could be his money

14:47

to spend on defense talking about a

14:49

defense spending for the U key showing

14:51

that that we still wants to. Play

14:54

our part of be a good ally

14:56

in the world to or money Where

14:58

am I said I think is important?

15:00

So actually in terms of. The.

15:02

West's finally getting a bit serious

15:04

by Ukraine I think is really

15:06

important on it is important that

15:08

it's not just. By. Didn't

15:10

and Congress and the Republican speaker

15:13

pushing. It's roots that it is also

15:15

of America and France and Germany and the

15:17

you as a group. Anita was an organization

15:19

that everybody has to to make sure that

15:22

the speaking of those the seen him she

15:24

on this one. And

15:26

I have to say just if for

15:28

me part the reason these trips a

15:30

useful is like you have got my

15:33

head in Uk politics and then you

15:35

end up your in Poland and see

15:37

references Stoltenberg and he he's the guy

15:39

that by see runs Nato which is

15:42

the Alliance of Allies or that have

15:44

a defense agreements so they all put

15:46

a certain amount of money into defense

15:48

spending and the idea is that you

15:51

are an alliance of one of us

15:53

attacked it's an attack on all the

15:55

countries. Serena are they spend my

15:58

days like listening to stole to. Speeches

16:00

but you know you're sitting

16:02

there and you have a

16:04

Prime minister say in Europe

16:06

such turning point. It's an

16:08

inflection point. You have other

16:10

leaders and Stoltenberg talking about

16:12

how dangerous the world now

16:14

is that it's more dangerous

16:17

perhaps since the Nineteen thirties?

16:19

You have the prime minister

16:21

talking about this authoritarian access

16:23

of Russia, China, Iran working

16:25

as he said to meet

16:27

with more pay sun intensity

16:29

to see stabilize. Our democracies

16:31

and they talked a bit too about

16:33

this sort of peace dividend that we

16:35

had at the end of the Cold

16:38

War. and the idea of thought was

16:40

that after the Cold War ended and

16:42

we entered this period of prolonged piece

16:44

that. Instead. Of spending

16:46

money. On defense right, you could spend

16:49

on other things. You could spend it

16:51

on health and education and of the

16:53

public services. And and the message really

16:55

not just from the Prime Minister, but

16:58

from shots in Germany. The German Chancellor

17:00

from Stoltenberg around Nato was this. European

17:03

countries have to spend money

17:05

on defense and and in

17:07

not. Just. The.

17:09

Prime Minister really did seem to

17:11

throw down a challenge to labour.

17:13

Do you think that the Labour

17:15

party should follow the Prime Minister's

17:17

lead on this people my age.

17:20

I was born at the end

17:22

of the Cold war and you

17:24

know is so of remember it

17:26

we have kids it ourselves actually

17:28

that am liberal democracy is the

17:30

default position and as a liberal

17:32

democracy is actually and he lit

17:34

existed for seventy years as the

17:36

entire history doesn't even exist and.

17:39

And. Yet we have so have sat on

17:41

rested on the idea that we are

17:43

safe and secure and not really ever

17:45

have to worry about it and I

17:47

think the obsolete either live or party

17:49

is committed to the exact same plan

17:51

for upping the air defense spending. I

17:53

don't think the Live Apart A is

17:55

quite say attain on the data that

17:57

was given night by the government. This.

18:00

The guy I have to say i

18:02

think this is the labour party had

18:04

a nice something quite so big the

18:06

level of scrutiny on where that money

18:08

of what was going to be codes

18:10

or where it was going to be

18:12

borrowed from would have been phenomenally fiat

18:14

so illness because those if back and

18:16

forth when I was safer in Berlin

18:18

a sat down with some the fishes

18:20

my went to talk me through how

18:22

you fund in this on the opposite

18:24

was as you said just their it

18:26

that they're receiving a this is bit

18:29

tacky as the point. Of it all

18:31

is is it's about up projections

18:33

of of government spending over five

18:35

six seven years right? So they

18:37

seem a baseline. The defense spending

18:39

will go up to two point

18:41

three percent of gdp at the

18:43

beginning of the next parliament rights

18:45

and then they cranked up gradually

18:47

to get to to two point

18:49

five percent by twenties thirties. The

18:51

point of all of it is

18:54

for prime minister politically to be

18:56

have to go into an election,

18:58

say. I am going

19:00

to do this. I've explained to you how

19:02

I am going to fund it. Kiss

19:04

Thomas says he is also.

19:07

Going to do this when resources allow,

19:09

but he doesn't have a plan. seats

19:11

of such York I'm a wartime Prime

19:14

minister. you can trust me with securities.

19:16

That will be the arguments. Trouble is

19:18

is really easy to argue against it

19:21

because the conservative parts of the last

19:23

forty years of might our armed forces

19:25

smaller than they've been since the Napoleonic

19:27

Era. Lots and lots of Torry Holt

19:30

city will with who really really really

19:32

care about defense have been slacking off

19:34

the government's for the last decade. A

19:37

high badly they have dropped

19:39

the ball on defense and

19:41

puts across the board and

19:43

terrible terrible mismanagement of commissioning

19:45

a of various different projects

19:48

so it's really easy to

19:50

argue against. Also the the

19:52

polling puts the Labour party

19:54

in front of the Conservative

19:56

party on every single area

19:58

of policy including. The new security

20:00

but there is a question. Isn't that

20:03

Because if if rishi see not days

20:05

and selection saying lead In is about

20:07

choices, this was the narrative he was

20:09

building right when we're on the trip.

20:12

Lead In is about choices. I choose

20:14

to prioritize defense because I think the

20:16

world is really dangerous. That's my job

20:18

as Prime Minister to put the country's

20:20

security fast. What a Labour Do in

20:23

and then you as the Labour Party

20:25

of all this pressure about other public

20:27

services to spend money on. I

20:29

mean to you think? actually? In.

20:32

A more money should go into

20:34

the Nhs. All Education before. It

20:36

goes into defense because that's where they'll

20:38

try and box labor in right look

20:40

at. Don't necessarily think that it, it's

20:43

an entirely binary choice And when he

20:45

says he's gonna cut seventy sizes and

20:47

civil servants most civil servants are you

20:49

know the follies They B C sat

20:51

in the little box in the chamber

20:53

the has a common my civil servants

20:55

all the possible office the cancer at.

20:57

The. Border Force their civil servants gonna get

21:00

rid of bought for science. The idea

21:02

that this seventy thousand people sat in

21:04

Whitehall departments When he says he's cutting

21:06

civil servants what he means is Egypt

21:08

said this is shifting the T V

21:10

allies in as what's he going to

21:12

do Ruth you talked about been in

21:15

Ukraine and and how that had reinforce

21:17

your views on this. Did you think

21:19

it was an astute me by the

21:21

Prime Minister? Do you think that he

21:23

can make this a dividing line with

21:25

labour? Would you know? just doesn't And

21:27

I. Can see why because you know

21:30

I have seen the photos of

21:32

Kiss Dharma are in for a military

21:34

fatigues in front of a tag.

21:36

yeah he has gone there. I. Didn't

21:39

do you think he can make. This a dividing

21:41

line at the election. To be honest I

21:43

don't care what they may said designing line

21:45

or or know we absolutely to ponder on

21:48

force it to somebody who's to make sure

21:50

that we declare or interest continues to be

21:52

the only cardinal of my would regimen am

21:54

pleased to be a reservist in a we

21:57

have got to the point where our army.

22:00

You absolutely have to be able to deploy

22:02

fully at brigades friend To be able to

22:04

go anywhere and do anything in the world

22:06

has got to the point where it often

22:08

it's embarrassing or not being able to. We

22:10

appear to be trying to get our special

22:12

forces to do almost everything that are traditional

22:14

forces to do almost nothing.is unsustainable. Know we

22:17

are getting to a point where we are

22:19

no longer it's your one military nation. It

22:21

would be kind of dropping dead that the

22:23

rankings innocent say nothing of it. Professionalism, Of

22:25

our armed forces and our soldiers who do an

22:27

awful lot. With what they have. But. Ruth.

22:29

It did occur to me though,

22:32

that a Prime minister I in

22:34

local elections next week twenty points

22:36

behind in the polls. When it

22:38

comes a local election a wouldn't have been stolen

22:40

or what schools goods and it will the portals.that's

22:43

what here by a likes of. The. People of

22:45

Birmingham Ya please speak of nothing else

22:47

but the two point five defense spending

22:49

when I'm knocking the doors. I mean

22:51

honestly, it's just another example. doing it

22:53

this week. I see why this an

22:55

election and actually I I. I don't

22:57

think he's doing it for the local

22:59

elections, not even only think that he's

23:01

i have a church with the nation

23:04

to think they've actually coming up in

23:06

the local elections so he sees not

23:08

showing himself up for the local elections.

23:10

He showing himself up because of the

23:12

local elections he needs to like look

23:14

big. In front of his own Paul, you

23:16

are circling him like vultures. The each

23:18

the I love the I said that

23:20

I saw how is it like elections

23:22

and they they both in a very

23:24

irritated way which is a bit unfair.

23:27

Because I've been, I've

23:29

just. Had like a have had

23:31

quite a couple of days. I'll. Tell ya.

23:35

That have. Club me we didn't even I

23:37

even percentage like we were and where

23:39

are your so called a racist eats

23:41

he was furiously say can you add

23:43

says. It's very. Us

23:46

to stick. I pad towards has said

23:48

it's the party management issue, Isn't it

23:50

right? There is the pie management issue

23:52

and. It. On the plane over what

23:54

was interesting was we asked him again

23:56

to keep the same time limits and

23:58

second half with the online. July

24:01

second half of the year. so he's

24:03

talking to an intern an audience with

24:05

an eye on local elections where he's

24:07

very worried that if it goes really

24:09

badly wrong for him and and just

24:12

to put it in context spot for

24:14

the Conservatives I mean. If. They

24:16

lose half the seats like five

24:18

hundred sees their in sorts of

24:20

armageddon territory right site so he

24:23

is also trying to show his

24:25

party as he goes up to

24:27

the locals. Look, I'm developing a

24:29

strategy for the general election My

24:31

on whether you think it's believable

24:33

or not eaten up. some credit

24:36

I think because you know it's

24:38

his last ditch attempt at every

24:40

of the ditch attempt that is

24:42

made of reset or wherever he

24:44

goes on about has been absolutely.

24:46

Pilloried. Within seconds of him saying it's

24:48

and this one is like an actual

24:50

strategy, I don't think it will work

24:53

and it's not. Our have to say

24:55

the life of Pi is not like

24:57

worry and I'm not get and feverish

24:59

calls from the press office or like

25:01

and I gotta go and say this

25:03

threat like this is at least a

25:05

cast he says sing and the it

25:07

doesn't last itself to the fourteen years

25:09

and. Race to think he's helped

25:11

himself with the party this week.

25:14

While. I think what's good about this is

25:16

that it's actually authentic. It doesn't seem to

25:18

run against anything that has previously said so

25:20

it's not incompatible with with his track record

25:22

in politics. So it it feels authentic and

25:25

it's a real thing like at putting in

25:27

feeling putting more dons and more soldiers hands

25:29

something that that feels real. So I do

25:31

think that it it's quite a smart way

25:33

of showing up that more power to both

25:35

of your elbows. I have to say seeing

25:37

this is gonna be an armageddon the thing

25:39

as can be over five hundred seats last

25:41

still makes up bar as high as he

25:43

like because a lot of elections. Isn't will

25:45

actually happens. In terms of the follow,

25:47

it's about caught the expectation management is.

25:50

so if the expectation is that, it's

25:52

not just going to be a rights,

25:54

but it's going to be an apocalypse.sleep

25:56

at this point to the cycle works

25:58

quite well for us. I can

26:00

have the keeping a showboat about

26:02

kids are election unless Michael Thrush,

26:04

a professor no less. Very clever

26:07

man. I mean he is talking

26:09

about five hundred seat losses of

26:11

really very very challenging night for

26:13

the tories say that's the kind

26:15

is he. So say the minimal

26:17

loss is a hundred for labour.

26:19

He so saying if they gained

26:21

three hundred and fifty seats it

26:23

will consolidate their position. and if

26:25

they want Konica into Blair Ninety

26:27

Seven territory, they're gonna have to

26:29

exceed that. So that the souls frame

26:31

in that will be put in around it

26:33

but race. I don't disagree with you that

26:35

if it's anything less than Armageddon at the

26:37

moment for Rishi see not that kind of

26:39

could almost to pay like a when I

26:41

want to ask you a question about the

26:43

truth, I want to stay in every see

26:45

those pictures efficiency knack and it's like all

26:47

the people surrounding I thought the west a

26:50

huddle huddle light. What is actually like on

26:52

the trip my are you sat there like

26:54

just on the same plane as in like

26:56

chatting with it's still out there for a

26:58

drink with him or anything. So if. You

27:00

look at these things, they put these pitches

27:02

off the huddles. It's really interesting. We didn't

27:04

use to take pictures of the more publish

27:06

them but that's is curious thing about P

27:09

M Trip. So you go to a private

27:11

acids the plane is there. you get on

27:13

the plane than the P M comes with

27:15

his must. His motorcade swept in, gets on

27:17

the plane, all his officials on the plane

27:20

and off you go. We then

27:22

have what's called a huddle. And the

27:24

huddle is one. The prime minister will

27:26

come up the back of the plane.

27:28

We then. Crowd around him and all

27:31

the charmless that the travel impact get

27:33

to ask the question right? Is this

27:35

before is taken off just to be

27:37

clear why? So it's Turbulence. As

27:41

well I we just we just

27:43

struck remaining carry on iphones excessive.

27:46

but. Know what what happens is see

27:48

down the plane and then his people calm.

27:50

Down and okay the prime minister be done and

27:52

twenty minutes the comes and sits in a chair

27:54

and then we'll throw out the to phones down

27:56

on the little you know the arm as the

27:58

chair and off we go. It's a

28:00

way in which the press pack can ask

28:02

him any which question we want. so we

28:05

all schemes on Ukraine on defense or we

28:07

asked him about local elections. We asked about

28:09

taxi can asked menacing you want and it's

28:11

on record and it goes on for about

28:14

twenty five minutes or so. The reason they're

28:16

valuable on the way out like that is

28:18

because it's a moment where. You

28:21

cannot. She asked the prime minister a load

28:23

of questions on record, so it's kind of

28:26

an access thing. You also get a kind

28:28

of sense of how he is so. On

28:30

the way from. Poland to

28:32

Berlin. He came back up the plane.

28:34

That and a not that lasts like

28:37

an informal thing would not right snow

28:39

down. It's not a record, we're not,

28:41

we're not use in it but you

28:43

just comes and has a little bit

28:45

of a chance. I can tell you

28:47

because we've talked to lot about how

28:49

he seems right? I haven't seen him

28:51

as pet top. Like thought genuinely

28:53

and I've been on a feature it's

28:55

them since the early days of his

28:57

for me ship he was properly it

28:59

a good mood. like genuinely in a

29:01

good mood. That was a bit a

29:04

laugh in and it felt real. He

29:06

looked like he was enjoying it. Honestly,

29:08

I've not seen him like that since

29:10

right at the beginning when he was

29:12

sauce prime minister. We're on the trip

29:14

to Indonesia and that was the g

29:16

Twenty. And he seemed properly.

29:19

Kind. Of enjoying the job and he looked

29:21

me in a fool. This stuff about are

29:23

we having some let since. That was Not

29:25

a man that. Is ready to give

29:27

up the keys to number Ten, right?

29:29

And then he talked to bit about

29:31

kind of what it was like with

29:34

don't Know Tuscans, how was Stoltenberg and

29:36

what does he think of Salts and

29:38

Seek a Comic is your favorite flavor

29:40

About what it's like meets iphone Se

29:42

with Donald Tusk. He knew that Donald

29:44

Hooks is a massive Margaret Thatcher fun

29:46

right? Nothing. Neither know nor

29:48

do I dined to the prime minister

29:50

told me about how they have this.

29:52

Shop at the Bulls. Generally a pretty appreciative.

29:54

This is one of the first to really

29:56

go over and record. like lot of any

29:58

of that are you. Neither stuff. she

30:01

sold the advanced of freedom and thought

30:03

that that was was backing irrespective of

30:05

the gates from the last rather than

30:07

the right. Partly he gave Donald Tusk

30:10

a photo of twist with such a

30:12

in the eighties because Donald Tusk was

30:14

organizing students to com and celebrate harm

30:16

arrival in Poland in the nineteen eight

30:19

lot Who nice we talked about through

30:21

the fourth floor leader to go and

30:23

meet with the Lisa and gotta give

30:25

fasting and piano and stuff like eyes

30:28

as if I'm remembering an autocratic. I

30:30

didn't know it restate their go dress up

30:32

as I'm not I'm not. I thought your

30:34

father. A lot of not my politics but

30:37

but in Tampa somebody international stop the digits

30:39

or forget the at at that time. the

30:41

kind of. The the boldness.

30:43

Of both Reagan and Thatcher in

30:45

terms of working with. People.

30:48

In countries at been behind the iron

30:50

Curtain at and the people that the

30:52

lead their Bucky to have important that

30:54

backing was just how big a country

30:56

the Uk in the Us was and

30:58

felt at that time was enormous. So.

31:01

Apparently they talked about that. And.

31:04

He also reminded us that shows I

31:06

forgot this, but they were both finance

31:08

ministers during the punter make, so they've

31:11

got kind of a bit of history.

31:13

And then he also revealed was

31:15

that when he goes to see

31:17

Maloney Italian. Prime Minister Maloney. She

31:19

likes to go outside from an afro

31:22

spritz and a cigarette. May.

31:24

Have a child. Saw that at this point.

31:26

Imagine Rishi soon. Next down, the. Missing. One

31:28

smoked in a fag. A drink it at our peril.

31:30

He was look awkward one night he

31:32

wasn't. Smoke. In a fog he wouldn't smoke.

31:35

No, no, no, I don't think a way smoke

31:37

in effect for a even aimed at. I quite

31:39

enjoy that image though the I utilize are against

31:41

that. with Iraq. Parole and he's.

31:44

Or. May not enjoy it more if

31:46

it was from the center of politics

31:48

of necessity that deceased holy I've always

31:50

wondered to do the freebies right? Okay,

31:53

so. That is obese

31:55

trolley. I remember once when we

31:57

went to Russia with Cameron and.

32:00

Wow, the trolley was nearly drunk

32:02

dry on the way back on.

32:04

I was ten weeks pregnant at

32:06

the time and the as I

32:08

had just avoid this trolling and

32:11

weeks people didn't even even. Have

32:13

a nice you're pregnant. You have to pretend

32:15

you're online or someplace. Yeah, yeah, I thought

32:17

that light symphony in small. Was false of

32:19

sniper am that there is a drinks trolley

32:21

on the plane. I never drink on the

32:23

way out. To put it into context, you

32:26

leave home at seven am in the morning

32:28

and you are still working. It's who I

32:30

am that evening or games by the to

32:32

I am the following day. Haven't been to.

32:35

Poland. Bar Laden. Had.

32:37

A press conference is that that that

32:39

men so by in a brilliant well

32:41

I am not complain and safes. My

32:43

rule is I never drink on the

32:45

way out during saw had on the

32:47

wipe up on the way I see

32:49

do the huddle and then you've got

32:52

to write up everything and so it's

32:54

it's You know I phones France at

32:56

least I was writing the same story

32:58

though I don't act so of a

33:00

sales the lobby journalists sometimes because I'm

33:02

just a bit like had. Has anyone

33:04

ever guess you'll just getting the same

33:06

information at the same moment? Yes. Say

33:08

you're taking taught fastest yes no for that

33:10

of and what is that size not the

33:12

scape in the could. that's the challenge his

33:14

foot for us lot when we get out

33:16

there. and then you get the part question

33:18

of the press conferences. could you make some

33:20

news or some new information and ski partly

33:22

kind of work out what your question at

33:24

the press conference is gonna be about by

33:26

what he said in the huddle. So what

33:29

is he said off camera states actually news

33:31

was he that you put it on camera

33:33

you know you trying to get him to

33:35

say it on cameras was. My final

33:37

thoughts. On this is we've talked

33:39

about seen us week. Do.

33:41

We think president, Peace and is

33:44

having a dysfunctional week is the

33:46

west. Rallies around Ukraine. Chess.

33:48

I think that he was expecting it to

33:50

be different. The thing about teaching that we

33:52

should never underestimate is that while we're reacting

33:55

to the things that have happened this week,

33:57

President Peyton is by thinking about three. Hundred

33:59

years ago. And Three hundred Years

34:01

in the feet. Jess the man plays

34:03

an incredibly long game of chess. Or

34:05

I mean, I think there's been a

34:07

bad week for him, and I think

34:09

that he was expecting it differently because

34:11

it looked like the U S deal

34:13

was. I mean, he took a long

34:15

enough time as Wraith has said, but

34:18

it seemed like it might go the

34:20

other way When you've got people like

34:22

David Cameron so of up in argy

34:24

bargy with different senators and an absolute

34:26

trump loons take into the airways to

34:28

say that I should stop funding Ukraine.

34:30

And things I think that they thought

34:32

it might get a different way. he's

34:34

having a decent to this way can

34:36

he must be hard and these gonna

34:38

be hard for him is already struggling

34:40

situations but it's. Key. Snacks thinking

34:42

of the next May The man is

34:44

utterly strategic arms and time support. Just

34:46

say it's a boat that having that

34:48

long. Term Vision for. Uniting

34:50

agree to rush on all the rest of I

34:53

absolutely his cool his legacy building all the rest

34:55

of it. So I think this has been held

34:57

up enough that he expected it to be held

34:59

up for longer. This is a bad week for

35:01

him, but I also think that having seen the

35:04

Democratic party get this through, his interest in the

35:06

Us election will be. Look may. Is

35:08

or of lake exponentially in terms

35:10

of Russian interference. Yes, Oh,

35:12

look, the West gets in. it's

35:14

act together. The Prime minister talked

35:17

about the kind of danger of

35:19

Russian expansionism past the borders into

35:21

other countries and his argument was

35:23

Ukraine has to succeed in the

35:25

world getting behind the message this

35:28

week So I think we can

35:30

all agree the President pizza in

35:32

probably pretty pissed off at the

35:34

moment. Let

35:37

schools that coming. Up your

35:39

messages costumes. Okay

35:50

welcome Bartlett which is see and on

35:52

our phones and news alerts saying that

35:54

the power shown agreement in Scotland government

35:56

could be about to collapse. It looks

35:59

like Scotland's fast. Mr. Hamza Yusuf

36:01

is gonna end. What's known as the

36:03

Beach. House agreement. Now screw coldness

36:05

on Thursday morning. The stories

36:07

undoubtedly going to develop a

36:10

for the common hours and

36:12

days. That means he loses

36:14

his joaquin majority in Holyrood.

36:16

Just a very quick bit

36:18

of background to explain. In

36:21

the twenty twenty. One Scottish election,

36:23

the Snp would just one seat

36:25

short of a majority. Now the

36:27

Green party with the O'neill the

36:30

pro Independence Party and they teamed

36:32

up with the Green Party in

36:34

a coalition deal. Now that included

36:37

policy commitments on some controversial air

36:39

is like gender recognition housing climate

36:41

but it sounds like this deal

36:43

has or is about to collapse.

36:46

Race is happening on your home

36:48

tasks. What's going on. Yeah.

36:50

I mean distance like a pretty bitter divorce

36:52

with with Hz from one of the green

36:55

cool leaders lord us later he was a

36:57

minister and not agreement at she's Calling on

36:59

the South a week. She seemed not to

37:01

be trusted. that is totally hopeless. That is

37:04

an act of political cover despite the Snp

37:06

to selling like future generations. So I think

37:08

it's fair to say that this isn't avail

37:11

That divorce at this isn't a conscious uncoupling

37:13

like Care good as Paltrow and Chris Martin.

37:15

I mean this is a proper a bitter

37:17

doozy. This. Was all about

37:19

Nicola Sturgeon wanting to have

37:21

a pro independence majority. In.

37:24

The Parliament so she could claim that she

37:26

would get another independence referendum, it back and

37:28

Twenty Twenty One and. The. Particular.

37:31

Area of of interest that she was

37:33

playing to was the Westminster Press of

37:35

the London Priests because the difference that one

37:37

seat would meet between whether the kind

37:39

of Uk establishment would say yes he gets

37:41

have a referendum or she should get

37:43

have a referendum she's got the moral

37:45

Authority habit or not was huge. Said she

37:48

wanted to cobble together this pro independence

37:50

majorities to say that that was the

37:52

same Monday as the Snp hard back in

37:54

Twenty Eleven when he got majority by

37:56

themselves. A it's it's quite an odd

37:58

bar to set you said. Because our

38:00

electoral system is a proportional one, you're

38:02

actually kinda not supposed to get majority

38:05

because of the way it was designed

38:07

at the additional member system and but

38:09

but irrespective of that.doesn't seem to be

38:11

serving either party politically well because we've

38:13

seen that that actually the question of

38:15

independence has dropped. Wait, I knew gender

38:17

the Snp a trying to keep alive

38:19

the twenties as an election issue and

38:21

for the general election coming up. But

38:23

but the public aren't buying it does.

38:25

so it's not as if the be

38:28

necessarily well served by degrees what interests

38:30

me. Is whether the Greens are so

38:32

upset by this breakup and and they were already

38:34

gonna take it to their members ditching the climate

38:36

targets. the Scotland was the last will for then.

38:38

they were going to take it to the members

38:40

and have their members vote on this and it

38:42

looks like the Snp. it's have jump the gun

38:45

in case. The Green membership opted to peak

38:47

if they did kick the my first.

38:49

That was really interesting to me, as are

38:51

they so angry that the movie with the

38:54

other opposition parties and. Holyrood against

38:56

the Snp. Or. Not because

38:58

even when they went and governments.

39:00

They. Were pretty willing allies of the Smp

39:03

and a be really interesting. As

39:05

we go forward to find out whether the

39:07

want to exact revenge or whether they're going

39:09

to be more independent minded than the have

39:11

previously been in previous parliament's. Say the

39:13

Scottish government this this route to say

39:16

in the flagship Climate Change targets. That

39:18

was pretty humiliating for the green party's

39:20

so it looks like a Usaf is

39:23

kind of walk him before he gets

39:25

a dumped anyway. I mean. It.

39:28

Comes, doesn't it? just time for

39:30

Hamza Yusuf, where he's already got

39:32

quite a lot of problems. Does

39:35

the embezzlement charges against a Pizza

39:37

Morrow who is Nicholas Sturgeons husband

39:39

in the former Chief Executives The

39:41

Snp? all of that swirling all

39:44

star bad politics and atmospherics for

39:46

Usaf. And he's also got a

39:48

problem with the Labour Party's march

39:51

against him in the run up

39:53

to the struggle elections. and now

39:55

it looks like the Greens and

39:57

P. Have fallen out as well. I

40:00

just think Hamza Yusuf essentially just looks

40:02

weaker and weaker of what. It was

40:04

really hard when Nicholas they're done with

40:06

the later because it was like she

40:09

was the saltire and if you said

40:11

anything bad about her it was like

40:13

you were one of those protestors thrive

40:15

in lot blood across the flags her

40:17

going on in as that the problems

40:19

that she's faced says she has stood

40:21

dad. Hamza Yusuf has not in any

40:24

way since been out with this of

40:26

were those clothes of power and confidence

40:28

and. It's sharing a I think today

40:30

was a sign of weakness from Clumsy so

40:32

if he had to pull the trigger before

40:34

he was dumped that his big difficulty is

40:37

not everybody in the Snp were fully behind

40:39

Nicholas surgeons idea to bring the Greens and

40:41

to to from in any way. and it's

40:43

got less and less popular within his party's

40:45

well as within the country as it's gone

40:47

on. So while taking them out. Luke's.

40:50

In. Some ways that it might be a pub. Or

40:52

me from homes. Ease of. Actually, it

40:54

just reminds people that he was the only one. It

40:57

was a seat leadership candidate that wanted to keep this

40:59

agreement at and he only kind of streets over the

41:01

line with fifty two percent in the final run double.

41:08

Let's. Also some of your questions At the

41:10

start of the showed we played u this

41:12

voice note from Justine. Let's hear it.

41:14

Can you explain what than some

41:16

behind the scenes when I constituency

41:18

party is choosing a new candid

41:20

it to be an M P

41:22

and didn't some of the more

41:24

rum and tix we've seen in

41:26

the present parliament what with an

41:28

M P have to do to

41:30

not be resell exit I think.

41:33

That's. A reference to Markman says he we

41:35

talked about or extensively and also receive was

41:37

spot on. One he said i think he's

41:39

gonna have to resign within a week. while

41:41

he did about four days off the at

41:44

resign him from the Conservative party's same he

41:46

wouldn't stand in the next General election. That

41:48

still does make him and M P So

41:50

I guess what Justine scared not there is

41:53

what do you have to do to sources

41:55

and your career as an M P and

41:57

John Cena as this email to let for

41:59

different. The Sky.u K along the same

42:01

lines. This is what John said. how

42:04

much does having a history matter and

42:06

entering politics For instance, if he slept

42:08

around a lot, taken drugs or made

42:11

any sort of mistake said that hold

42:13

you back and how to manage the

42:15

impact of media exposure on your family's

42:18

bloody help ask a question isn't it

42:20

I mean to starmer be nos repeatedly

42:22

was retaken drugs that university by how

42:25

rico or from the sun the other

42:27

day be kept game or had a

42:29

good time. I had a good

42:31

size just very similar to Go Fast How

42:34

does a selection work And does it matter?

42:36

If you've got a bit of a past

42:38

he wants to go fast. say does it

42:40

matter if he's had of ever passed it

42:43

does. If you lie about it is there

42:45

at truth it will be signed out. The

42:47

truth will always be sign that says it

42:49

doesn't matter at all that views aghast at

42:51

a selection process if you've got any skeletons

42:54

and I said the it as ah I

42:56

mean I admitted that I'd taken drugs and

42:58

I admitted it publicly when I was first.

43:00

Elected and they rely on that. We meant

43:02

like did you harbor political prisoner has lot

43:05

of had lodges. The

43:07

other think specs or insects inlay. Have I

43:09

offered a political prisoner or like it as

43:11

back to at african to well I get

43:13

out I think I don't think I'm done

43:16

a lot of by. The

43:18

it's the question you ask. More than it more than

43:20

the obese that you get like people do say lot

43:23

had to cope with the obese but more than anything

43:25

people say oh what will will they found this device

43:27

It doesn't matter if you're honest, debate it, Tell a

43:29

story said people can't sell. A story is

43:31

why I would say as a

43:33

unit that the Barbie's use the

43:35

Criminal on Monday. Finley enough add

43:37

that the public actually dive like

43:39

yeah light. Having lived a normal

43:41

life that's fine and in selections

43:43

I work in two different ways

43:46

says some selections. It stitched

43:48

up basically like let's let's be honest

43:50

that sided candidates all the leadership of

43:52

your party. You know that there is

43:55

a way that they could make it

43:57

So the at you know that local

43:59

pop. Hockey do get to decide

44:01

that it can be quite well managed.

44:04

Stage managed said that they're passing. Get

44:06

this? However, the vast majority of cases

44:08

is just usually these days and

44:10

this has changed to used to be

44:13

much more so of Westminster pods and

44:15

Spots Especially advises being put in

44:17

like you know, Northern seats or whatever

44:19

it it's much more now. Likely to

44:22

be a local person, works lately

44:24

been a teacher in the local school,

44:26

or it's much more likely that they

44:28

go out and they. Show their local

44:30

party that they are going to win. That's

44:33

how you win this election and you can

44:35

easily get they selected. You don't even have

44:37

to log in. I'd be ringing about the

44:39

Batman at three in the morning if your

44:41

local party or annoyed at you because they

44:44

don't think you're a particularly good constituency. m

44:46

the you know there's all sorts of processes

44:48

in most part is to trigger you at

44:50

losing the selection the of it's quite hard

44:53

to do to get rid of a sitting

44:55

Mp at from a local parties perspective but

44:57

it's not impossible. And yeah, every party

44:59

has the ability if you think your Mp.

45:01

As crab or did upset people or

45:03

they're not. Did got fallen in love

45:06

with the London life so that the never back in

45:08

the constituency or whatever it is and the and that's

45:10

one of the think that sometimes gets a new not

45:12

seen locally and often and I do have a lot

45:14

sympathy for and these are don't smoke in their.sights Monday

45:17

to Thursday come back up there would either very late

45:19

Thursday night or Friday and then they've only got the

45:21

weekend to be seen in the constituency so the after

45:23

work or weekend as well and and get back on

45:25

the train on the flight from this is gold and

45:28

and button on on a Monday morning so so you

45:30

know it's it's not an easy life I know you'll

45:32

never get any sympathy for and these a toward the.

45:34

World's smallest islands play for them but it it is

45:37

not an easy life be trying keep everybody happy. That.

45:39

In terms of for the you have a

45:42

history for see I'm so glad when I

45:44

was at university the camera phones didn't exist

45:46

just because it does things that as a

45:48

teenager that as teenagers do and social media

45:50

i mean face be can friends reunited and

45:52

people and stuff like that was it right

45:54

and when I still quite young not have

45:56

a laugh. but in terms of of kind

45:58

of twitter we you. Word. Vomit

46:00

your store every in or twenty times a

46:03

day didn't exist and until I was getting

46:05

to the point where I was thinking about

46:07

something so I was a bit naturally more

46:09

careful. But yeah, you see people like So

46:12

Mari Black, but when she students are the

46:14

first elected, the papers that run stuff. That.

46:16

She said when she was fourteen. the boat you

46:19

know, getting drunk on the Wicked are mad dog

46:21

or something like that. like X authentic. You know,

46:23

one underage drink and it is. Can I think

46:25

it's like to know that? Does that mean she

46:27

can not vote on a lot Like you know

46:29

it, It doesn't matter if you're allowed. To be

46:31

real, right? You're allowed to be room. Anybody

46:34

want really don't want some

46:36

shiny, tacitly loafers pinky rings

46:39

like Kristin like many. Roxanne

46:41

to the Raise more. Like

46:44

that's what I like the. Forty Four Ever

46:46

try to root for pointing in whoever.

46:49

I never get rightly and soundly beaten and

46:51

local I said as he might have been

46:53

the smartest guy the room but nice like

46:55

they. Were the real threats since I'm gonna

46:58

let to the of the best info of

47:00

ever as a up a theory. That

47:04

you know the ones that say you know

47:06

that we know little further the picked by

47:08

your head and I wasted so with them

47:10

but given tourist I'm going to start my

47:12

my contagious affect. Us when you don't

47:14

want they want real people Also. In

47:17

the general population know everyone's name is care.

47:20

Or other up a life of.

47:22

Our A like every second mommy's cool

47:24

idea that is a scary true Now

47:27

I need some asking price The very

47:29

important question of what are you doing

47:31

this weekend. Race. I am hopefully fingers crossed

47:33

getting my stitches. Okay, so that's a Dna So

47:35

temple of this and I'm also. I'm getting the

47:38

painters and decorators and and that is not a

47:40

euphemism. I'm

47:43

going to Cyprus tomorrow us

47:45

aren't. Going to the theater Angelos

47:48

take me to watch something like

47:50

the long day's journey into the

47:52

not something like that which is.

47:54

Brian Cookson Am I love him?

47:56

because I'm obsessed with succession? Come

47:58

I just say they. Hand on

48:00

heart and this is said without see

48:03

truth. It has been a weird sort

48:05

of. You. Know when buses will come

48:07

at once Like lie to. Us like a to

48:09

the say to once in five years and

48:12

I've got my full time since he started

48:14

his podcast. It is Not. Normal from

48:16

the success. That

48:20

will be in your feeds a bit later

48:22

next. Week will be record in

48:24

about eleven am on Friday because

48:26

that's going to let us to

48:28

have had surround the various election

48:30

results and then the episodes and

48:33

a to oblige in the afternoon

48:35

is gonna be absolutely mega. would

48:37

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48:39

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48:41

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48:43

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