Daniel Gortz is a political philosopher, sociologist, and metamodern thinker. He is one of the two direct contacts that we have with the mythical metamodern philosopher Hanzi Freinacht. Daniel is an expert on Hanzi’s work which includes the listening society, Nordic Ideology, and his upcoming controversial book that challenges Jordan Peterson’s best-seller “12 Rules for life” and offers a potentially more nuanced and comprehensive philosophy. In this episode, we discuss why hanzi’s rules are much better than Jordan Petersons', denial of death and immortality projects, religion, wisdom, and finding the right therapy for you.