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Welcome to Ella Go . My name

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is Lisa . Join me on

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the journey in having real raw

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and uncomfortable discussions

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about fitness , health and

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everything in between , because

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, let's be honest , this journey

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would suck if we don't get our shit

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together . Okay

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, welcome back to the Elego Podcast

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. Today's guest is Dana

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Anello . Welcome , dana

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.

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Hey , lisa , thank

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you so much for having me .

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I'm happy to have you here . Dana

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is pretty badass and I want everyone

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to know what she's laughing , because she's

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very modest , but she is badass and

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that's why I have her here . So , dana , why

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don't you introduce yourself to everyone

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and where you're from , and

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why do I think you're such a badass ?

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Sure . So

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I currently live in Northern New

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Jersey , so I've

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been here now for 14 years . I'm

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originally from Buffalo , new York

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, go Bills I'm a huge Bills

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fan , so I always have to get my Go

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Bills in A

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shout out to my hometown . And

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so I'm the head coach and founder of Jersey Women Strong . We're an all-women's

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running multi-sport boot camp community outreach

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group based here

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in northern New Jersey , bergen

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County , but we do occasionally get people outside

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of Bergen County . We're about

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15 minutes north of the George

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Washington Bridge , just to put it in perspective

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.

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Yeah , now I get it . Now , I see I

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already know where it is Okay . No

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, seriously , you're from downstate , you know exactly

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where that is Okay . Um so

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, Dana , how did you get into running

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and why did you do it Okay

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?

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So it's kind of a funny story actually

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. Um , I was an athlete

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my whole life . I was a competitive swimmer

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, played a bunch of different sports and

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I I went on to swim in college . I swam

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collegiately and my swim

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coach was a

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triathlete and

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because she was a triathlete

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, she always , in our , in our

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preseason and off season , encouraged us

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to stay active and

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so we did some running and

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she really

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uh , probably in the first off season

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I was there , she got me into running

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a little bit more and into cycling , and

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so I basically progressed

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into triathlon . To

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be honest , I didn't really

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love running , um

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, I loved running short

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distances . Um , I played softball

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in college and I played

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one year of college softball as well

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, and so short running was kind

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of my thing , long running not

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my thing , but I really fell

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in love with it . As I progressed through the sport

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of triathlon , I

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fell in love with running and just

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kind of did that . I had probably

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10 to 15 years of doing

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triathlons . I still

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do them occasionally , but I

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did take a nice long break when

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I when I had my kids , but I kept running

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.

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So OK , and you're still doing it , and that's amazing . Yes

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, so I know that . For

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those of you who don't know , I actually reached out

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to Dana because I had a lot of questions

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in regards to

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her club and what she's

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doing . I actually saw

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Dana's name on our RCA Facebook

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group and it's amazing how many

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people you can meet in that group . Jersey

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Women Strong is a

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club that you started . Why

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did you start the club

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? And , based on our conversation

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and your website , it has

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grown tremendously . So

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why did you start the club and how did

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you grow it ?

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you grow it , yeah . So I have been involved in coaching really again probably

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since the end of high school and into college . I

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coached swimming , age group swimming , so little kids up

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through master swimming . I co-founded

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a master swim team back in Buffalo that's actually

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still functioning today , which is pretty awesome

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, and so I coached kind

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of all along the way . I have a degree

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in exercise science and a degree in physical therapy

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, so that kind of realm was

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always my thing . But

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, as happens right , I started a

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family and things

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just took us to different places and

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so , kind of after I

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had my kids and started to settle again

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, I got back into

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training , a little bit personal training , and

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at that time actually we were up

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in West Point , new York , and I started

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working at the gym there and actually started

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a small running club there that actually grew

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into a big running club . But we left West

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Point and ended up in New Jersey and

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honestly it was

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a really tough move . Didn't

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know a lot of people , didn't

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have a lot of friends , but

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I knew that running

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and fitness and exercise

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brings people together

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. So I

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decided to do a

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couch to 5k type program

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, um , and I convinced

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friends who

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really hadn't run before , but people who

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just did it because I asked them to

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do it . Uh , I convinced them

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to to train for a 5k . We

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did a nine week program . That was

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back in the summer of 2012

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. So we ended up having 20 plus

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people join that group

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. We trained for a 5k over

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the summer . They did the 5k

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and at that point , honestly

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, I didn't have , I wasn't

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sure what was next . I knew I wanted to

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continue to do it , but I didn't know what that would look

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like , honestly . And

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we finished and , as happens

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with runners and

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people doing the sport , they

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were like what's next ? So we

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continued , we trained for another

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5K , some of them went on to do a

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10K and within

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kind of a couple cycles of running , like

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an eight or a nine week training program , we

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decided we'd become a year round program and

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from there we've

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just continued to grow

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, and I think one of

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the nice things about our group

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, too , is we do do a

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lot of community outreach , so

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that gives people a lot of connection

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as well . So it's not just running . We

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do have opportunities , usually

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monthly , if not more than once

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a month , for people to do things in their community

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We've morphed into

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. We have people doing triathlons and ultra

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marathons , but we have walkers , we have people

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that choose not to compete . We

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have a bootcamp . That's kind of attached

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to our program now . So

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it just organically grew

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, just kind of focusing on that . It

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just organically grew over the years

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.

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That's amazing and you know , I think

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that you know , as women

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, um , there's something to be said

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to be a part

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of a tribe of women , because working

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out is intimidating for some women and

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when you're with other women , you

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feel like , oh , wow , I'm not the only one

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. Or you know , oh , I'm accepted

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, you know , I'm part of this group

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. I can't just imagine how

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empowering those women feel

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to be part of that group .

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Yeah , I think they do and

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I think that that's why we've

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been able to continue to grow . I

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think , no matter what , it's intimidating

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but having

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an all women's team does

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break down the barrier a little bit for

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some of those women . But I see

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it when people come for the first time

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and they're kind of tiptoeing

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out of their car over

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to the group , and so

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I know that feeling and especially

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, I think , for women who maybe didn't grow

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up around sport , I think

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it's more intimidating . So

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now having so

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many people come in that that were not athletes

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at all and started running in their

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forties and even fifties I mean we had

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women that picked up running in their fifties . So

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once they see that and

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hear that , it's just completely

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, I think , inspiring to them .

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Oh my God , I mean you're saying that

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it's just , it's like , I

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guess for me , you know , and I resonate

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with a lot what you're saying to

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be part of this group and then when you hear

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that women in their 50s and 60s I

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mean even 60s , starting

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to when they

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are running together

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, you all are running together or walking together

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or doing any type of sport together , I am

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, I'm going to assume that long lasting

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friendships are forming , as that's happening

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.

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Yes , I mean , that's really what it's all about . We have

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such a you

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know , diversity of age , ability

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, life experience , job experience

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, so we always talk

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about we kind of joke , we say what happens

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on the path stays on the path A

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lot of conversations that happen out there

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. A hundred percent . It

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really is very therapeutic . It's

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very therapeutic and

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there have been some very close bonds . We've had

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people who move away and

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stay connected to us and we

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share race photos . You know people running

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down in South Carolina and California

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, and so it's a really , a

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really strong bond , I think people have

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being a part of the group .

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I love that . I love that . Okay

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. So I know you kind of mentioned

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this a bit . You said that this is multi-sport

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. So there's running . You

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said there's walking triathlons

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. What else

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I mean would those women

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all have to like ? I mean , do

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you have , like your running ladies

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and then you have your triathlon

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ladies , or do they mix

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with each other ? What does that look like ? Membership

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?

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So we do have triathlon specific

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memberships , groups in the area . So we have

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some

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of those people that they'll join in with us . But

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if we have people

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who are training for a triathlon , we try to pair them

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up and maybe they'll go out on rides together

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. We've focused , we've done

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triathlon training programs . I've

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mostly circled back to strictly

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sticking with running now

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because it became complicated

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to do that . You know , to have

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the triathlon group and the running group and stuff

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. But we do have people that'll go

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out for rides together or open water

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swims together and things

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like that . I would say primarily running

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and fitness . You know , just overall fitness

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is our thing . But we have

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people doing ultra marathons . We have someone

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training for a 50 miler right now

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. So we run the gamut

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of anything where it's forward

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motion . That's what I tell people . It's

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not about speed or

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just you know , it's about

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forward motion .

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Okay , dana , so you

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kind of triggered me , because isn't that such

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? I always say one of the hardest

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things about especially

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coaching new folks

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, new women , women that are new

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to running , is wanting

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to go faster and focusing

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on the speed and focusing on distance

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. And

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focusing on the speed and focusing on distance how do you , as a coach , try to break

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that cycle ? Because , I mean , this is how you get injured

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. You're going faster than you need to and

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it's like this is a journey , ladies , it's

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a journey . Where are we going ? How

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do you , as a coach , break that

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type of mindset ?

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You end up sounding like a

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broken record . That's exactly

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yeah , you know that's just , and

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we talk about them . They laugh at me because

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what I'll do oftentimes I

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talk about this probably incessantly Like hey , you guys , you need to 80

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, 20 , right , like 80%

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of you're running a conversational pace A

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lot of times . What I'll do now is I'll

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find another coach that says that and

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I'll share it . You know , in the Facebook

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group or I'll . I'll oftentimes

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even to like , I'll , I'll

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find an article with with one of the

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top runners , olympic runners , and I'll show

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them their race time and

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their training time

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, like a lot of times , and they'll talk about in

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those articles . They'll talk about , hey , training pace

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, you know Karagash or whatever , whoever

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it might be , and their training paces

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. You know 839 minute miles , maybe

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930 . I'm like you guys

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, you know this is what they're running and

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this is what they're running most of their

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miles and a

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lot of times then it clicks a

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lot of times and it click , but it's counterintuitive

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. I mean , you , you know , we know

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cause , we know the science , but

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saying to people

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you have to go slow to get fast

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is a very hard thing to understand

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when you're actually have to implement it .

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Okay , I'm not alone in this . No , all

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right . So , as a running coach

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for women over 40 , what

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is the biggest misconception

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for women running over 40

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?

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Well , I mean , I think I

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would say the biggest misconception , especially

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if you haven't been a runner , is that you can't start

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running . You can't be a runner , you didn't have that

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background , and I personally , I think

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that couldn't be . You know , further from

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the truth . Some of our best runners

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started running later in life

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. Um , maybe they're

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not as as broken down , they're

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not as jaded as those of us who have

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been competing for the rest of

14:50

the entirety of our lives , but

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it always creeps up like , well , you

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can't run because you're going to get injured

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and running is bad for your knees

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and all of that , and so

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it is a lot of talking through that

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and listen , sure , running can

15:06

be hard on your knees . Running can be hard on anything

15:09

, just like anything else

15:11

, though . So it's not just about

15:13

running . It's about recovery and

15:16

preparation

15:18

and warm up and taking care

15:20

of your body outside of running as well .

15:23

Yeah .

15:23

Yeah .

15:24

All right . So , with

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that being said , what

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are a few things that women

15:31

over 40 need to pay

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more attention to when it comes to running

15:35

, that they did not focus , you

15:37

know , on in their early years , because even

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though , like you said , you can always start

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, but let's be honest , we're older

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, you know . Then we got menopause

15:46

and we got a whole . You know we got a life

15:48

, we got stress . All those things are happening

15:50

versus when we're in our 20s . So

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what are some of the things that you know as

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some tips that if there's a

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woman who's in her 40s thinking of going

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into running , what are some tips that you can provide

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to her ?

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I would say , paying attention to

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that recovery time , taking some

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time to do mobility , whatever

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mobility looks like for you , a

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little bit of stretching , lots of hydration

16:14

, I think that's super important . I

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would say the other important thing um

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being myself , you know , going through my forties

16:21

and I'm 52 now . So , um

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, yeah , we're tired . We're

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just more tired . There's a lot more

16:29

stress . So

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I think stress management is

16:34

super important . I think sleep is super important

16:36

. So , this is something that I talk about not just

16:38

with my runners , but my personal

16:41

training and nutrition clients . I

16:43

often say to them like all

16:45

the salad in the world is not going to

16:47

make up for you sleeping five or six

16:49

hours a night , so

16:52

it's it's hard to put that higher on

16:54

the list of taking care of yourself

16:56

. Um , because it's

16:58

not as appealing right

17:00

it's appealing to be like I'm going to eat salad

17:03

and chicken and to

17:07

a point , it's easy , it's black and white , but

17:09

saying I'm going to work on my sleep or I'm

17:11

going to work on my stress , it sounds so

17:14

vague and big . So

17:16

that's really . What I would say is

17:18

that it's a think of this as a

17:21

whole training and a whole lifestyle

17:24

change . Right , we don't want to just

17:26

think about running .

17:28

Yeah , absolutely . I like that . You said lifestyle

17:31

change . It's a lifestyle . It's not like

17:33

this end goal . I was just saying that this

17:35

morning to my ladies . This

17:37

is a journey , ladies . Okay , it's not

17:39

an end goal , and I think that when

17:42

you put that in your mindset

17:44

, you're more apt to be

17:46

to enjoy it , you

17:49

know . So , okay

17:51

, let's do a speed round

17:54

of things women say to

17:56

themselves . And this is kind of new . I wanted

17:58

to try something new with you . So

18:00

this is a speed round of things

18:03

women say to themselves , or

18:05

to a coach a running coach when

18:07

it comes to running . So first

18:10

one I am too old to run .

18:15

People who say they're too old to run . Go

18:17

to just watch a

18:20

local 5K and

18:23

watch the people coming across the finish line

18:25

. It will change your entire

18:27

perspective . You're absolutely

18:30

never too old .

18:32

Yeah . So I just had one of

18:34

my runners volunteer

18:36

at a marathon she's training for a marathon

18:39

and she said the exact

18:41

same thing she's like different sizes

18:44

, different ages . It was like

18:46

I couldn't believe . I mean , it's so

18:48

empowering . I always say to these women

18:50

do you know how many times I've been passed by a

18:52

70 year old person ? Yeah , yeah

18:56

, happens . Yes

18:58

, I love that about running . Okay , I

19:00

am too slow to be a runner . How many

19:02

times do we hear this ? I'm too slow , I'm not a runner

19:05

, I'm considering myself a runner .

19:06

I'm too slow , oh , man , that's

19:08

such a common conversation and

19:11

, yeah , as a coach , it's hard . It's hard to hear

19:13

that and we have a Facebook group

19:15

and people will say , oh , I ran super slow today

19:17

and I'm like you guys , let's take that word

19:20

out of your vocabulary Slow like

19:22

slow compared to what there's no

19:24

slow . Right , there's slow

19:26

compared to what there's people that

19:28

aren't doing any kind of movement

19:31

. So any again . I go circle

19:33

back to forward motion , one

19:35

foot in front of the other . You are moving forward

19:37

every single time . You go out for a run

19:40

or move out for , or go out

19:42

for a walk , and um , there

19:44

is no slow .

19:46

Yeah , absolutely . Um , okay

19:48

, Running after 40

19:50

and I hear this a lot running

19:52

after 40 will make me more prone to

19:54

injuries .

19:56

Yeah , I mean , I just don't think if

19:59

you do some research on this , I just don't see

20:01

that there are without guidance

20:03

. I do think

20:28

it's important to do those things with guidance

20:30

, but I think we'd

20:32

be hard pressed to find that the

20:34

pros you know that the cons would

20:36

outweigh the pros in that department

20:38

.

20:39

I like how you said no

20:42

movement . You're absolutely

20:44

right . No movement is worse . I

20:47

mean , how is that not the truth , right ? Okay

20:49

, I only need to run to keep me

20:51

fit and healthy .

20:54

Well , listen again . There's

20:57

many , many pieces in

21:00

the journey to health and

21:02

lifestyle transformation . So

21:04

if

21:06

you run and then you're sedentary

21:09

for the rest of your life and don't pay attention

21:12

to your nutrition and hydration , then

21:16

that's not necessarily what we

21:18

want . So I do try and that's one of the

21:20

things in my coaching , and I'm sure you do

21:22

this too . Lisa , you're

21:24

whole , the whole body , the whole

21:26

picture . You know your nutrition

21:29

, your physical activity , your community

21:31

, the . You know your stress level , the

21:33

things that you surround yourself with . So

21:35

and I know that can feel overwhelming

21:38

sometimes like I just want to run and that's

21:40

it .

21:40

That's enough

21:49

to focus on . But I try to look at it as this is

21:51

a big picture thing and we have to address

21:55

kind of all of those things

21:58

in our life . Am I

22:00

going to lose everything that I did

22:02

in the last couple of days because now I can't

22:04

run ? You're telling me I can't run , Lisa , because I'm sick

22:06

and I don't want to lose all

22:08

that work that I did . What

22:12

is your response to that ?

22:13

Well , listen , it takes a long time to

22:15

undo the miles

22:17

and miles that you've likely put

22:19

in , and

22:23

I do think there's a balance right . You have to

22:25

know when you'd be better off going for that run

22:27

versus staying

22:29

in bed and sleeping it off

22:31

, whatever it might be . So I don't know that

22:33

there's an exact answer to this , but

22:36

your mind is a very powerful

22:38

thing . So if you think

22:40

that you're going to lose

22:43

everything by taking off two

22:45

or three days , then

22:48

that's a barrier . We have to get over that barrier

22:50

and talk through and think through

22:52

Like you could . You know maybe you've

22:54

been training for months and missing

22:56

two or three days is certainly not going

22:58

to derail you . But if you

23:00

think it will derail you , that's

23:03

a big part of it . But

23:06

if you think it will derail you , that's a big part of it . I mean , some

23:08

of the the strongest athletes I've had have run marathons , coming back

23:10

, you know , after injury or coming

23:12

back after illness and the really only

23:14

thing powering them through . Because if you look at

23:16

the training , strict training

23:18

and I've seen this with a lot of athletes certainly

23:21

didn't get in the mileage that would have been

23:23

ideal , but they get themselves across

23:26

the finish line because they're so strong mentally

23:28

. So I think we really , as

23:30

women , have to pay very close attention

23:32

to our self-talk .

23:34

Oh my God that's a

23:36

big one , the negative self-talk

23:39

that women , um you

23:42

know , say to themselves while running

23:44

. I mean especially

23:47

women who don't I'll never

23:49

forget . One woman said so

23:51

. I have to run outside . People

23:54

are going to look at me . I'm like , yeah

23:56

, that's kind of how it works

23:58

. You know , it's

24:00

sad that that is what

24:03

we're thinking , and some women are thinking

24:05

that they don't even feel comfortable

24:07

to run outside , but

24:09

nobody else is doing it . You're

24:11

the one running . They're sitting in the cars watching

24:14

.

24:14

They're not doing it Right . You

24:17

know , I think , especially for older women . I mean , that's

24:19

the society that they grew up in and

24:22

so , you know , women kind

24:24

of unseen , unheard , and so it's

24:27

a hard thing to break , it's

24:29

a hard habit to break , but it's a conversation

24:31

we definitely have and and hopefully

24:33

being in a group really

24:35

does help break those barriers . I

24:38

was just thinking .

24:40

I was thinking of another one um getting

24:43

your clients , your athletes

24:45

, to rest . Like

24:47

that's hard . It's hard

24:49

to rest and do some

24:51

cross training and

24:54

the importance of that .

24:56

Yeah , it is . It's very

24:58

hard to get , to get people

25:00

to rest and , again

25:03

, I think the only way to

25:05

get through is to just keep talking

25:07

about it . You know I just just try to

25:09

talk and educate . You know , share

25:12

what I I believe through

25:14

my training I share a lot

25:16

of uh podcasts and other

25:18

coaches and just try to get people

25:21

to to see what the science says

25:23

. I think for me , I always

25:25

try to get people to circle back to

25:27

the science because I think

25:29

that that really helps

25:31

to ring a lot of . You know it kind of like the light

25:33

bulb lights up when you can see oh

25:36

okay , this was studied and we

25:38

can see cause and effect here .

25:42

Yes , yes , okay . So

25:44

, dana , this was great . I love all

25:46

the . You know the things that you're doing

25:48

with your ladies . I was

25:51

following you on Instagram and I

25:53

feel so empowered , just like looking at the photos

25:55

and all these women together , bonding

25:58

together , doing these races is

26:00

such an inspiration , and

26:02

what you're doing you are creating

26:04

a space for women to

26:07

feel comfortable and safe

26:09

and be part of this amazing

26:11

tribe . So I just want to thank

26:13

you as a woman to another woman , as a

26:15

running coach to another running coach . Thank

26:18

you for doing that .

26:20

Well , it's my pleasure and I'm so happy that we are able

26:23

to connect and I know that

26:25

you're doing the same thing where you are

26:27

and it's always nice to

26:29

know there's other people out there and bounce

26:31

ideas off of each other and things like

26:34

that . So I'm so happy that you reached out

26:36

and we connected .

26:37

I am too Okay . So what races

26:40

do you have coming up ? Any projects

26:42

for your ladies ?

26:46

races . Do you have coming up Any projects for your ladies ? We have . I mean

26:48

, honestly , we have people running every weekend . So I finally we've

26:50

gotten together and just created a race calendar

26:52

of what

26:55

big events you know people are running

26:57

. We'll have a group training again

26:59

for New York New York City Marathon

27:01

. We always have a bunch of people doing

27:03

some kind of half marathon or full

27:06

marathon . In the fall we

27:08

do a pretty big 5K in July . It's an all-women's

27:11

5K over in Rockland County

27:13

, so just over the border in New York

27:15

that's an all-women's 5K . So we'll have that

27:17

coming up and

27:20

we just continue our monthly

27:22

outreach . We work with the group Project

27:25

Kind and it's a homeless

27:28

outreach based out of Newark , new

27:30

Jersey , which is about 40 or so minutes

27:32

from here . So we just continue

27:34

to do that and look for other

27:37

opportunities to get involved

27:39

.

27:40

I love it . I love it Okay , so where can

27:42

people find you ?

27:53

I know you're on social

27:55

media . Can you just let

27:57

us know what are those social media

27:59

platforms that you're on ? Dana Anello on Instagram

28:02

and Dana Anello on Facebook , so

28:04

come give us a follow and

28:06

you can . Also

28:08

, if you want to reach out through email

28:10

, you can reach me at Dana at JerseyWomenStrongcom

28:13

.

28:14

And we're going to have all of Dana's links

28:16

on the show notes how to get

28:18

a hold of her if you're in New Jersey . I'm

28:24

sure I know there's women in New Jersey listening to the podcast . So if you are like , wow , I didn't know

28:26

that there's this , this is , this group

28:28

is is there , now you know how to get

28:30

ahold of Dana . So , dana , thank you again

28:32

for coming on the show . I'm

28:34

so glad that we connected in the most oddest

28:37

ways . It

28:39

was worthy , worth it

28:41

, and I just wanted

28:43

to talk to you more and hear

28:46

all the amazing things you're doing . So thank

28:48

you so much for being on the podcast

28:50

.

28:50

My pleasure , thank you again for having me .

28:53

Okay , everyone , and until next time

28:55

. Bye you

29:09

.