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We're going to do something different today

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. I was recently invited by

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Ryan and Tristan , co-hosts

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of the Decentralized

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Radio podcast , so

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this was my turn to be on the other

0:14

side of the interview table

0:17

with people asking me questions

0:19

. It was a wide-ranging

0:22

conversation , all about

0:24

guess what the

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reckless spread of harmful man-made

0:29

electromagnetic radiation , and

0:32

looking at it from a variety of different perspectives

0:35

. So in a few

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moments I'm going to go right into

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their episode as it was

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recorded and broadcast

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both on their podcast and

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their YouTube channel as well . So

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I've enjoyed getting to know Ryan and

0:51

Tristan . I like what

0:53

the Decentralized Radio podcast

0:57

brings , particularly in

0:59

the area of health

1:01

and wellness and the importance

1:03

of taking a decentralized approach

1:06

to this topic . You guys know

1:08

that that's what I'm all about , because

1:10

I'm constantly harping on

1:12

you all to

1:15

find a local qualified

1:18

EMF consultant

1:20

to get a proper

1:22

assessment and remediation plan

1:24

for your home , and that's

1:26

really an example of

1:29

the decentralized approach . I

1:32

think we need a thousand , I think

1:34

we need 10,000 more people

1:36

doing what I'm doing . We

1:39

need to get every house in America checked

1:41

out so people can live in

1:44

peace . All right , here

1:47

we go . We're going to go right into

1:49

the episode as it was published by

1:51

Decentralized Radio . Hope

1:54

you enjoy this . I

2:05

was misdiagnosed and mistreated

2:07

medically for 33 years

2:10

. I

2:20

was praying to God to deliver me from all this pain , the loss of energy , this ringing in

2:22

my ears , this chronic arthritis everything I was suffering from at that time . My realization that it

2:24

was EMF that was causing the problem . I was on my knees , man .

2:26

Welcome back to Decentralized Radio

2:28

, your one-stop shop for education

2:31

on how you can take back control of

2:33

your health and your wealth and live

2:35

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2:37

are plaguing our society . We're

2:39

hosting industry experts every

2:42

Tuesday live and also releasing

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podcasts Friday morning . All right , hello

2:46

everyone , and welcome back to another episode

2:49

of Decentralized Radio . Today we're

2:51

joined live by Keith Cutter

2:53

. Keith is the founder

2:56

owner of EMF Remedy . He's

2:58

an EMF mitigation expert and

3:00

has an incredible story of how

3:02

he used or realized

3:05

that EMFs were a big factor

3:07

into why his health was

3:10

not optimal . So , keith

3:12

, how are you doing today ? Thanks for joining .

3:14

Hey , I'm doing great . I'm really happy to be on your

3:16

show , so looking forward to this .

3:18

Yeah , it's always fun for me when I can geek

3:20

out , nerd out with someone

3:23

about EMFs and we've talked

3:25

a few times now and it's

3:27

really fun because for me this

3:29

is a huge gap in the health

3:31

space , the alternative

3:33

health space , holistic health space overall

3:35

. Still , EMFs is such

3:38

a minor part of the conversation , mostly

3:41

because I think it's a giant

3:43

inconvenient truth and

3:45

just connecting with folks like yourself has

3:48

you know , it's incredible because you have

3:50

your own network . There's a handful of

3:52

really good EMF mitigation experts

3:54

and there's incredible

3:56

stories to be told . So

3:59

why don't we start there ? You've

4:02

told me a bit about your story , but it's

4:05

an inspiring one and

4:07

really shed some light on how people can

4:09

think about EMFs in the

4:11

way that it's affecting their biology

4:13

. So what was the first

4:15

straw in how you kind of got

4:17

into this and when you first started

4:20

thinking about electromagnetic fields

4:22

and their effect on our biology and

4:25

our health ?

4:26

When I first started thinking about it was

4:29

actually 33 years

4:31

after I experienced the

4:33

first symptoms . So I was misdiagnosed

4:36

and mistreated medically for 33

4:39

years and it just became

4:41

increasingly unbearable . So

4:44

my realization

4:46

that it was EMF that was causing

4:48

the problem . I was on my

4:50

knees , man , I

4:52

was praying to God . I had been praying , you know

4:54

, please deliver me from all

4:57

this pain , the loss of energy

4:59

, this ringing in my ears , this

5:02

chronic arthritis , everything I was suffering

5:04

from at that time , and

5:07

you know what . That prayer wasn't answered . But

5:09

I decided one day

5:11

what if I changed my prayer to God

5:14

? Could you just show me ? Could you just show

5:16

me what this is ? And not

5:18

saying that he spoke to me audibly

5:21

, whatever , but you know

5:23

, I and uh , he's a

5:25

big part of my life . So , um

5:27

, yeah , within days

5:29

I was led to this area that , honestly

5:32

, I would have laughed at when I was

5:34

younger . I would have . I would have mocked people

5:37

probably who who asserted

5:40

that there was a link between uh

5:43

, non-native EMF exposure and

5:45

health conditions . But this

5:47

time I couldn't ignore it . So

5:50

what

5:52

I did is I did a remediation

5:55

on my home and

5:58

instantly things

6:00

started to unravel unwind

6:02

, I mean , the bad things happening had

6:05

happened over the past three decades began

6:08

to unwind . The

6:10

first and most dramatic was this

6:12

crippling chronic arthritis

6:14

I was suffering . It didn't

6:16

get better , it went away entirely

6:19

. And , to make a long story

6:21

short , my physician having

6:24

seen this , and to make a long story short , my physician having

6:26

seen this and himself being a skeptic

6:28

, he asked me one question when he

6:30

saw this , because he had been my doctor

6:32

for 15 years and

6:35

he looked at this sudden reversal and

6:37

he said hey , can

6:39

you come over to my house and

6:42

check it out from an EMF perspective

6:44

? So that was

6:46

when I first found out .

6:48

That's pretty incredible . I

6:56

mean , when I was reading your story I see so many parallels with people

6:58

that I've met in the space and just through my own experience as

7:00

well , being more cognizant

7:02

of my environment , I was just in Vegas and I

7:04

could definitely feel the difference

7:07

, like I could feel like the hydration

7:10

, not only from the humidity difference , but I'm in

7:12

the desert so it's pretty relative anyways

7:14

, but I could feel like the dryness

7:16

like creeping in , and I noticed this flying

7:18

to Los Angeles back and forth for years

7:21

, but never really connected any of these

7:23

dots to the density

7:25

of electromagnetic frequencies . So maybe

7:27

we could speak to that a little bit about how

7:29

we've sort of created uh , just

7:32

briefly , our own prisons within

7:34

the place that probably should be the safest for

7:36

us and that is our homes , uh

7:38

, unknowingly to

7:41

ourselves .

7:41

Yeah , isn't that an interesting concept

7:44

? And you know the way this um , the

7:46

reckless spread of non-native EMF

7:48

has occurred . It

7:51

was slow , right , there wasn't like cell phone

7:53

service everywhere all at once

7:55

, um , it

7:59

just happened a little bit over time . But

8:01

now , man , we're in this saturation

8:03

phase , right . So we

8:05

imagine most of us , I think that

8:07

we're not affected . But

8:09

is that just because we look at the person

8:12

to our left and the person to our right and

8:15

they're saying they can't sleep either , or they're

8:17

saying they're anxious too , or whatever

8:19

the symptoms are ? So it's

8:22

an interesting hypothesis that

8:24

there's some people that are

8:26

not affected . But

8:29

we can't prove that anymore . We

8:32

don't have a control , and

8:34

the reason is if

8:36

you have a cell phone

8:38

signal in your home , you are living in an

8:40

unnatural sea . You are living in an unnatural

8:43

sea and I think that's

8:45

the best word like an ocean , an

8:47

unnatural ocean of electromagnetic

8:50

energies . And

8:53

the sensitivity , ryan

8:55

, that you talked about . That

8:57

is so interesting . People ask are you sensitive

9:00

, are you not sensitive ? And

9:08

they think it's a quirky thing . Wow , how weird some people would be sensitive to electromagnetic

9:10

energies . Well , actually , there's a really complex

9:13

electromagnetic environment on

9:15

Earth . It

9:20

came with one and

9:29

the overwrite . That we're doing with the man-made EMF is the only thing that you

9:31

know that troubles people . So anyway , with that as an introduction , what

9:33

I do the way I help my clients is we

9:36

go into a client's home and

9:39

we discover what

9:41

quantities of which of the

9:43

four major types of

9:45

non-native . EMF are

9:48

present in the areas where they spend

9:50

the most time in their homes

9:52

, and then we document

9:55

that and we determine roughly where

9:57

those sources are coming from so

10:00

that we can produce a custom remediation

10:03

plan . That

10:08

we can produce a custom remediation plan , the objective of that being that when we're finished

10:10

with our work not only that day but whatever remediation efforts

10:13

follow that they will

10:15

be able to enjoy more

10:17

of the natural EMF and

10:20

much less of the man-made

10:22

EMF . That's kind of at a top

10:24

level , what I do . I

10:26

I'm involved in home design

10:28

for emf residences and pre-sales

10:31

uh evaluation of land and things like

10:33

that . But the core of what I do

10:36

day , day in and day out , is the home

10:38

assessment and then remediation yeah

10:40

, that that's a powerful thing

10:43

because you mentioned

10:45

a lot of key points there .

10:46

It's like where are we spending the most amount of time

10:48

? The different types

10:50

, and I want to get into that . But the

10:52

way I think about EMFs is

10:55

they are unavoidable 95%

11:07

reduction in just how we use technology or by making small adjustments . So that's

11:09

the main point here . Folks is like you don't have to live like Keith

11:11

and I do and hardwire your internet and do all

11:14

of these extra things . You can , we'd

11:16

almost recommend it , but you don't have

11:18

to do that to get a substantial

11:20

reduction . So , keith , maybe

11:23

you could go into those four types

11:25

of EMFs that you mentioned . And

11:30

then also the importance of

11:32

the Earth's natural magnetic

11:34

or electromagnetic fields , because

11:37

it's important . And Keith has

11:39

used the nomenclature non-native

11:41

. I don't really like that nomenclature

11:43

because it confuses people . I use

11:46

it , I like it , I use it , but it

11:48

can confuse people . So

11:50

let's set the scene for them , the difference

11:52

as well between native and non-native

11:54

.

11:57

EMFs ? Yeah , yeah , yeah , you bet . And

11:59

I want to echo what you said there initially , tristan

12:02

, and that is that , however

12:04

far you want to go along this spectrum , you

12:06

want to live in a totally shielded home ? Hey

12:08

, that's great . You want to

12:10

, you know , enjoy your life as it is and

12:13

all the technology you're exposing yourself

12:15

to , hey , that's great , you know . You just tell

12:17

me which one you want , and

12:19

then we can optimize within that . And

12:22

there are many simple things that can

12:24

, that can happen . So

12:27

the the earth has a

12:29

, an electromagnetic field

12:31

, and it is . It

12:34

is complex and and it is beautiful

12:36

when you understand all the parts that work together

12:38

. I think this is really well

12:40

documented in a book called the invisible

12:43

Rainbow by Arthur

12:45

Furstenberg , and

12:47

it begins with sunlight energizing

12:50

the ionosphere and you have

12:52

bolts of lightning , which we're familiar with

12:54

, that rain down on the surface

12:56

of the earth , providing

12:59

a negative charge , an excess

13:01

of electrons relative

13:03

to the ionosphere

13:05

. So a negative charge

13:07

on the surface of the earth , and

13:11

then that charge floats

13:14

sort of through the air back up to the sky

13:16

, meaning that we are

13:18

living in this enormous

13:21

I mean it is a huge electric

13:23

field , it's

13:31

about 130 volts per meter . And I'll tell you what if you

13:33

had 130 volts per meter of the harmful man-made

13:36

kind of radiation , you really wouldn't be happy

13:38

. But this natural

13:40

energy of the earth , 130 volts

13:42

per meter , that's what we're made for . And

13:45

the ? Um , this natural energy of the earth , 130

13:48

volts per meter , that's what we're made for . And the 130

13:50

volts per meter can vary , so

13:53

in a thunderstorm or whatnot , it may

13:55

be a million volts

13:57

per meter . And

14:04

then we also have a magnetic

14:06

field and

14:12

we don't really give it a lot of thought , except that our compasses

14:14

work right . You've got a compass , you're anywhere on the earth , you look

14:16

at this thing , it swings around a little bit , then

14:19

it settles down and it tells

14:21

you where the magnetic north is

14:23

. That's

14:27

because we're living in a huge magnetic field . And

14:30

then there is also

14:32

a variable magnetic

14:34

field , not an alternating magnetic

14:36

field , but a magnetic field

14:38

that kind of rises and falls . And

14:41

it's actually a function of what I first

14:43

talked about , which is those lightning

14:45

strikes , because

14:47

they happen reliably enough and consistently

14:49

enough around the world that

14:52

they're giving that charge to

14:54

the surface of the earth . There

14:57

is a frequency of the rise

14:59

and fall of a more

15:01

subtle magnetic field coming

15:03

from the earth , not the one for the compass , and

15:07

that was first posited

15:10

by a man named Schumann , and

15:12

so that resonance and the

15:15

multiples

15:17

of that resonance are known as the Schumann

15:20

resonances . And

15:22

so the fascinating thing , the really

15:24

cool thing about it is the

15:27

Schumann resonance is around

15:29

7.83 hertz

15:31

or cycles per second . And

15:33

then you look at the human brain and that's the

15:36

native brainwave

15:39

for the alpha rhythm . So

15:41

I love it when God makes things obvious

15:44

for me . All mammals as

15:46

well have that same signature

15:49

within their brain , so it's pretty

15:51

easy to see this place

15:53

is made for us , we're made for this

15:55

place , and of

15:57

course I also you know , as I talk

15:59

about the surface of the earth having

16:02

this excess of electrons

16:04

. That's's

16:06

what grounding , that's what earthing is all about

16:08

you know , putting your feet on the ground and having

16:10

physical

16:13

access to those electrons

16:16

, and we can get into that later

16:18

on . But now the really

16:20

important part in understanding all of what

16:22

I've just said is there

16:24

is an electricity of life , okay

16:27

, and there is

16:29

the man's implementation

16:32

of electricity . The electricity

16:34

of life is much closer to what we see

16:36

in a battery , where

16:39

the positive and the negative are always the

16:41

same , the positive and the negative are always the same , the

16:44

surface of the earth is always negatively

16:47

charged and the

16:49

heavens or the ionosphere is

16:51

always positively charged . We're

16:56

meant to dwell in that space and the magnetic field is

16:58

a direct current

17:00

magnetic field , and

17:04

then the man-made energies are alternating

17:06

current , which means , if you can imagine

17:08

this , you're sitting

17:10

in this void between heaven and earth and

17:12

your , your whole biology

17:14

is made to

17:17

exist where the

17:19

negative charges on the bottom

17:22

, the positive charges on the top , with

17:24

man's energy that

17:26

flips One

17:29

instant it's up is up and the

17:31

next instant up is down . Literally

17:34

positive for negative , positive for negative , and it

17:36

happens in North America 60

17:38

times per second . So

17:41

it is unknown in nature and it is completely

17:44

foreign to life . And just

17:46

the spread of the electric

17:50

grid across the world

17:52

brought with it

17:54

all the disease of civilization

17:57

. It is an amazing story

17:59

. So

18:01

, yeah , is that what you were asking

18:04

about , tristan ?

18:05

That was an amazing overview , I think

18:07

, very digestible for people

18:09

. Really well said it , it's

18:12

hard because I mean

18:14

, you've studied this obviously quite

18:16

extensively . I have an electrical engineering

18:18

background . Ryan's really passionate

18:20

about this stuff and he's listened to me talk

18:22

for a while , um , about how to

18:25

do um , but a

18:27

lot of these terms are are foreign to

18:29

people , or they've heard of them

18:31

but they don't really understand . Like

18:33

a lot of people know that our circuits

18:35

are 120 volts , 60 hertz

18:38

, but they don't really understand what

18:40

that means and and those implications

18:42

and and why that may be different from

18:44

. You know electromagnetism in

18:47

nature . So it's

18:49

really important you touch upon grounding . For

18:52

me , everything you just said encapsulates

18:54

two things . It encapsulates the fact

18:56

that nature , the

18:59

earth and our human biology

19:01

is electromagnetic

19:03

by you know , at the lowest

19:05

level . And this is an important

19:08

takeaway because most people are

19:10

more familiar with biochemistry than

19:12

they are with electromagnetism . And

19:15

that's one of the main issues I see with

19:17

the , you know , centralized

19:20

medical health care system

19:22

, education system . And then , second

19:24

is that within

19:26

those electromagnetic worlds

19:29

, everything we do , we

19:32

think and we look to nature . And

19:34

the electromagnetism in nature that you

19:36

just so eloquently outlined

19:39

is far different from

19:41

the electromagnetism coming from man-made

19:43

sources . So you

19:46

know , you mentioned there at the end the

19:48

invention

19:51

, the rollout of of

19:53

modern electricity has kind

19:55

of led to a lot of chronic disease . So

19:58

maybe I'll just ask is

20:00

how do

20:02

we , you know , correlate

20:04

? You know people I'm just going to play devil's

20:07

advocate people are very skeptical of

20:09

these things . Even our audience are

20:11

still skeptical that , you know , the electrical

20:14

power in their house is

20:16

really setting them up for failure from

20:19

a health perspective if they're not dealing

20:21

with it correctly . So how do people

20:23

wrap their head around the

20:25

fact that this may be one

20:27

of the underlying , you know , issues

20:30

, or toxins , as

20:33

I like to say , in our environment

20:35

? How is that affecting our biology

20:37

? Why haven't we , all you know

20:39

, keeled over , like chronic disease

20:41

really has been proliferating

20:44

much faster in the past you know

20:46

30 years compared to the previous

20:48

70 that the grid was available

20:50

. How do you convince the layman

20:53

or even the moderately

20:56

informed person who's caught or

20:58

you know , cognizant of their health and

21:00

toxins , that this is really

21:02

a baseline issue

21:05

that should be dealt with ?

21:07

Well , my answer might be a

21:09

surprise . So

21:12

how do I convince people ? When

21:16

I first started

21:19

doing what I'm doing now , I reached

21:21

out to some of the leaders in

21:23

. EMF assessment

21:26

and remediation , because I

21:28

found long ago when I was in industry

21:31

, I need to talk to the people who really

21:33

know what's what and

21:35

get the great advice . And one

21:38

of my best mentors gave me a great piece of

21:40

advice . He said don't

21:44

spend any time at all with

21:46

people who don't get it . Said

21:48

you know , the time is short , man

21:50

, spend all of your efforts on the

21:52

people who get it . And

21:55

so , believe it or not

21:57

, I do that day in

21:59

and day out . I just don't spend any time trying

22:01

to convert people , except

22:04

when I do , and

22:06

what I mean by that is you

22:09

know , I go into the ice cream store and I see a young

22:11

lady working there who my

22:13

children grew up with her

22:15

and I know her parents well and

22:17

whatnot . She's got a cell phone in her back pocket

22:19

and then in that moment

22:21

I just can't help it and I say , by the way , know

22:25

I'll , you know I'll

22:27

just , I'll just share something . But it's

22:30

just because I can't help myself

22:32

. But what I've found is

22:34

people are either ready to

22:37

learn something or they're not ready

22:39

to learn something , and if somebody's

22:41

not ready to learn something , it

22:46

isn't going to take root in them . That's

22:50

what I think that I've learned . Now

22:53

, for somebody who is interested

22:56

or open to the fact

22:58

and it may have a lot

23:00

to do with addiction , right , it's

23:03

a small picture of the reason people don't want

23:05

to believe in God is because the

23:07

next step , if they do , is well , he

23:09

might want something , you know , he

23:12

might expect something of my life , and

23:16

so , with EMF , a tiny

23:18

picture of that is if

23:21

I look into this and I find

23:23

that this stuff really is harmful

23:26

. Somebody is going to take away my tech , nobody's

23:29

going to take away your tech . But

23:33

for people who really

23:35

are open to

23:37

learning , go

23:39

camping . Go

23:42

camping in a place with

23:44

a lot of terrain , in

23:47

a mountainous area , in

23:49

a deserted valley , in

23:51

a punch bowl , next

23:54

to a huge rock bowl

24:03

, next to a huge rock , you know , someplace where you have absolutely no cell phone signal at

24:05

all zero , not on any of the carriers and

24:08

spend a few nights , see what

24:10

happens . I think that

24:12

is more instructive than anything

24:14

. I mean I can point you to the . I

24:24

think that is more instructive than

24:26

anything . I mean I can

24:28

point you to the bio initiative report

24:30

. I could tell you about Alan

24:32

Frey and what he learned

24:34

about the dissolving of the blood brainbrain barrier

24:37

, should we even imagine

24:39

anybody has one that's intact ? You know

24:41

, I mean , I could tell you lots

24:44

of different things like

24:46

that . I could point you to Magda

24:48

Havas and show some

24:50

of the wonderful work that she's done on

24:52

you

24:55

know diabetics and how their

24:57

insulin requirements change when

24:59

they're subjected to dirty , electricity and whatnot

25:02

. There are tons

25:04

of sources of information , but really just

25:06

cut through all of that . Just go take

25:09

a week , get to a place

25:11

that can't have any EMF

25:14

and no other people Camp

25:16

out . Put your feet on the ground , put your face

25:18

to the sun , spend a few days and see what

25:20

happens . I guess that that would be . That

25:23

would be my approach for somebody who

25:25

is a uh , an earnest

25:27

questioner yeah , no , that's

25:29

a great example I think we've spoken to .

25:31

Uh , I think dr jack cruz brought up that example

25:34

of going camping , sort of giving yourself

25:37

a reset , especially for people's sleep

25:39

, and I pretty much I think anyone could attest

25:41

that's gone on significant amount of camping trips

25:43

, that they sleep better when

25:46

they're camping . And it's sort of not

25:48

a surprise to me and you can chalk it up to

25:50

a lot of things . But I think electromagnetic

25:52

frequencies are one of those things . When you diminish

25:54

those Now it's going to get harder and harder with

25:56

, you know , signal expansion and

25:59

things like Starlink and stuff like that that

26:06

you get people access where you couldn't before . But it's still probably better than

26:08

you know , being in the middle of Salt Lake City , like me . But

26:10

one thing I wanted to ask you is

26:12

sort of walking through what you do with somebody

26:15

. Let's say you meet someone who's ready and

26:18

, like you said , there are different avenues . You can take

26:20

them down . I mean you have people that want

26:22

to go a certain distance . Maybe they want to go the full

26:24

distance , like Tristan over here , yourself or

26:26

me in an ideal world where other people

26:28

would be okay with me doing that

26:30

. But how

26:33

do you approach somebody's

26:36

remediation . Can you walk us through

26:38

sort of like a process when

26:40

someone comes to you and they say , hey , we want

26:42

you to look at our house and

26:44

give us a hand with what we're dealing

26:46

with , say it's like in the suburbs or

26:49

something like that . They're aware of the problems

26:51

that are around them , but

26:53

what are sort of the heavy hitters ? Now I

26:55

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to EMF stuff . We need a thousand

28:36

, we need 10,000 more people doing

28:38

what I do , just in the U ? S alone . So

28:40

yeah , I'll tell you exactly what I do when I , when I

28:42

go into somebody's home you know it begins

28:45

on the drive in and I

28:47

look for the utility approach

28:49

, like what do we have ? Do we have high tension lines

28:51

? Do we have high voltage lines ? Do

28:54

I see any infrastructure like

28:56

a cell phone towers or things like that

28:58

? I just notice those on the way in . And

29:01

then when I get to the client's home , I

29:03

look at how are they connected to

29:06

the grid ? Not

29:09

all my clients are connected to the grid , but

29:11

if they're connected to the grid , I

29:13

want to know is that like an underground feeder

29:15

or is that overhead ? And

29:18

because there's implic

29:20

you can attenuate the electric

29:22

fields , which is well . You

29:24

can attenuate the electric fields in

29:27

an underground um power

29:29

situation . But

29:32

then I've got to wonder where that line is running

29:34

. So I look for where the transformer is , because

29:36

I want to see if that main

29:39

service line is running to

29:41

the electric panel underneath

29:44

the house , the living area , because those magnetic

29:46

fields are not really attenuated

29:49

at all , even in the earth . So notice

29:52

those things . And then the first thing I do with

29:54

the client is I like to

29:56

go in and just sit down at their kitchen table with

29:58

them and just kind of hang out for a little while

30:00

. I know a lot of people want

30:02

to rush in and it's this big , you

30:04

know economic bottle . Get in , get out , whatever

30:07

. I like to spend my

30:09

time with people and I just like to

30:11

. I want to understand what their concerns

30:13

are . So , like I said earlier

30:15

, I only deal with people who get it and

30:17

if they get it , they come in one of two flavors

30:19

Either they've

30:22

made that correlation and they realize this

30:24

stuff is hurting them , it's impacting their

30:26

lives dramatically , and

30:31

there are a lot of these people

30:34

who want to remain proactive

30:36

. It's really kind of amazing

30:38

and it makes me happy . Every

30:40

time I get a call from one . Nobody's

30:43

symptomatic , and often

30:46

these people are young couples . You know they're just starting

30:49

out and maybe

30:51

they're thinking about having a child and they just want

30:53

to have a good environment for the family

30:55

to grow . So

30:58

I want to understand whether

31:00

somebody's symptomatic not

31:02

that I'm a health care provider , I'm not a health

31:04

care provider , um or

31:07

is it just that they're trying to be proactive

31:09

. So what is the and that's kind of

31:11

that magnitude between ? Are we

31:13

going to have a lot of remediation ? Are we just going

31:16

to , you know , do some things around the edges and

31:19

then we will ? I'll

31:21

ask them what are your questions

31:23

, and so we'll . We'll

31:25

spend time talking about

31:28

what they want

31:30

to know about EMF , because

31:32

everybody has some understanding of it , and I just

31:34

want to make sure we're more or less in

31:37

the same ballpark and

31:39

then I will make sure that they have

31:41

at least a rudimentary understanding of the four

31:43

different types of EMF and

31:47

the following

31:49

fact that a dose

31:51

of radiation , any type

31:53

of radiation , is equal to the

31:56

intensity of the exposure

31:58

, times , the duration . So

32:02

whatever type of radiation

32:04

you're talking about , and

32:07

therefore in what

32:09

I call a commodity home , a home

32:11

that's not built with EMF resilience

32:14

in mind , there

32:16

are places you don't want to be . Your

32:19

baby's not going to thrive if you put

32:21

the bassinet in front of the main electric panel

32:23

Not a good place . You don't

32:25

want to nurse the baby there either . You don't

32:28

want to do it in front of your . You don't want to read a book

32:30

in front of your induction cookstove . But

32:33

you know these are hopefully

32:35

not prolonged exposures

32:38

, although they might be very intense . But

32:41

where we need to apply our efforts

32:43

is the places where my

32:45

clients spend four or more hours

32:48

per day , and

32:50

that kind of limits the number

32:52

of places in the house that we focus

32:54

on . I think a lot of people have the idea

32:57

that when you do an EMF assessment and

32:59

evaluation you check every

33:01

inch of the house . No , you

33:03

don't , you can't and you can't make

33:05

every inch of a commodity home safe

33:07

, but you can make

33:10

the bedroom safe or

33:12

safer and

33:14

you can make the office safe and you

33:16

can make the living room safe if those

33:18

are the places that really matter to that particular

33:21

client . And then , and

33:23

I should mention , I always work with

33:25

my wife on

33:27

my assessments , and I didn't always

33:29

do that in the beginning , but I

33:31

like spending time with

33:33

my wife , she enjoys spending

33:36

time with me , and we

33:39

can do twice as much work in

33:41

half the time . So

33:43

in , say , four hours

33:45

, we can get almost eight hours worth of work

33:47

done . So

33:50

then what we will do is we will go around

33:52

to the places where folks

33:54

spend four or more hours a day and

33:58

we measure each

34:00

of the four types of harmful

34:03

man-made electromagnetic radiation

34:05

Tristan , I hope that's a better word

34:07

than non-native EMF

34:09

and we record

34:12

those and that's for us and for our

34:14

records and also for the client

34:16

. They get to keep that

34:18

. Then we go and we turn

34:20

off the main electric

34:22

panel so that

34:25

all of the appliances go off

34:27

, all the electricity goes off , and

34:30

we will spend a little bit of time

34:32

finding the battery-powered devices

34:34

, smartphones and

34:37

weather

34:40

stations , things like that and

34:44

we just want to get all the sources of

34:46

the harmful man-made stuff turned

34:48

off so that we can get a baseline

34:50

. It won't turn off the

34:53

neighbor's Wi-Fi . It won't

34:55

turn off the cell phone tower down the street your back neighbor's

34:57

baby monitor . It won't turn off the cell phone tower down the street your back neighbor's baby monitor

34:59

. It won't get all that but it will show you

35:01

where is the

35:04

self-generated stuff

35:06

and you know . What is really interesting

35:08

is so many people

35:10

, like we just

35:12

did a client last week and

35:15

they were like in the worst of

35:17

the worst level of EMF

35:19

exposure in radio

35:22

frequency radiation . But

35:24

when we turned everything off

35:26

they were living

35:28

in a beautiful place with

35:31

a thousand times less RF

35:33

radiation . They were making all

35:36

their own mess and

35:39

that's a big aha for a lot of people

35:41

. So once we turn the power

35:43

off , we go back to those same

35:45

places that we've already been and

35:48

we take the same measurements again

35:50

, and then that

35:53

takes the bulk of the time . Then

35:56

I need 20 minutes to a

35:58

half hour and I sit down right there and

36:02

I just , you know , set the client's expectation

36:05

. I need a few minutes here . Take me about

36:07

20 minutes or 30 minutes and I

36:09

will put together a custom remediation

36:12

plan right on the spot so

36:14

that they will have that before I leave

36:16

. And the

36:18

way I do that is by

36:22

creating that contrast between

36:24

everything on and everything off . I can

36:26

know where the illegitimate

36:29

energies are coming from and

36:31

then what the most

36:34

effective ways

36:36

to reduce personal exposure to

36:38

those types of radiation . And

36:41

I always tell my clients , because everybody

36:43

thinks it's going to cost a lot of money , it

36:46

sometimes costs nothing and

36:48

they are reluctant . And

36:51

what I mean by that is you

36:54

can turn off your cell phone at night . That's

36:57

a huge thing . I mean really

36:59

, your cell phone , whether you

37:02

know it or not , is

37:07

spewing forth radiation on a continual basis , every few seconds or every few minutes , having

37:10

nothing to do with getting a text or

37:12

a phone call or anything

37:14

. It's just checking in with the tower . A

37:17

lot of radiation spilling out of that thing all

37:19

the time If you got the Wi-Fi Bluetooth

37:21

on constant source of radiation

37:24

. So you

37:26

suggest to people you

37:28

might like to turn this thing off at

37:31

night . And some people well

37:33

, you'd think they took

37:35

away their birthday . And

37:38

other people , well , you'd think they took away their birthday , you know . And

37:40

other people are great , they'll look , honey , we

37:42

could do that . Yeah , that's just a behavior change . Yeah , we're

37:44

good . So

37:54

the free things that require behavior modification are difficult for some people and other

37:57

people are just all about that . And then , of course , there are things that in certain circumstances

37:59

and it's different for every client but

38:01

there are some things that can

38:03

be helpful . And I just want to make

38:05

one final comment

38:08

about remediation , and then I'll turn

38:10

it back over to you , and that is

38:12

that all of the remediation

38:15

work that I do is measurable

38:18

remediation , and I just want to make that really

38:20

clear . I'm not talking about

38:22

charms and pendants and harmonizers

38:24

and personal protection devices , things

38:27

that are ethereal and subtle . Energies

38:29

may or may not exist

38:32

, just can't be measured

38:34

. I'm a physics kind

38:36

of guy , um , so I

38:39

want to be able to show measurable reductions

38:41

, and and let's work on those

38:43

first so all

38:45

of the types of remediation , and

38:48

even the things that require a

38:50

product um , are

38:52

related to measurable reductions

38:55

in all four types of harmful

38:58

man-made radiation . So

39:01

is that a good overview ?

39:03

Yeah , fantastic

39:05

, yeah , yeah . And I'm glad you

39:07

mentioned the harmonizers and the pendants because

39:10

, yeah , I'm kind of tired

39:12

of people sending this stuff to me and it's like you , you

39:14

know , whatever you can believe

39:16

, um , if you have the

39:18

expendable income to try

39:20

these things , but , like you said

39:22

, there's no proof from a measurement

39:25

, from a physics perspective . And then

39:27

if you don't , it's

39:29

like it's like grounding in a high emf

39:31

environment , it's . It's like if you don't have your ducks

39:33

in a row and you don't attack it from the foundational

39:36

level , like you're leaving a lot still on the table

39:38

. And this stuff usually costs

39:40

like little to no money

39:42

. It's just habit changes and

39:45

that's something

39:47

that for some reason people still

39:50

would rather just pay . A lot of people

39:52

I should say not everyone would rather

39:55

just pay some amount of money to have the

39:57

quick fix , but I guess that encapsulates

39:59

a greater issue with our society . So

40:02

you mentioned a few times now the four

40:04

types of EMFs

40:06

, the major types , and I'm curious

40:08

for you to go through that . I'm assuming

40:11

we have low frequency power

40:13

frequencies from our electrical

40:16

grid . We have the radio frequencies , we have the electric magnetic

40:18

field components of that . We have low frequency power frequencies from our electrical grid . We have the radio frequencies , have the electric

40:20

magnetic field components of that . We have dirty electricity . How

40:22

do you think about these different

40:25

types ? Is one

40:27

more important than the other ? Is

40:30

one more challenging to mitigate than the

40:32

other ? We've had a few people

40:34

on the podcast . I've talked to a lot of

40:36

EMF mitigation folks

40:38

and it seems like everyone has

40:40

their angle at what is

40:43

the worst for you and for some

40:45

reason , whoever's in their own niche wants

40:47

to say that X low frequency

40:49

is the worst or dirty electricity is the worst

40:51

. To me it doesn't really

40:53

matter and again , it's like leaving

40:56

things on the table . It could be unique

40:58

to your environment , which one may be the

41:00

biggest issue , but I'm curious to get your

41:02

take , because you seem to have a very well-rounded

41:05

, holistic approach to the EMF

41:08

mitigation . And yeah

41:10

, what do you think about the

41:13

variety in the electromagnetic

41:15

spectrum in the man-made , non-native

41:18

realm and how

41:21

to deal with them ?

41:23

yeah . So that's that's a great

41:25

question , and one of

41:27

the things that you could say is that the higher

41:29

the frequency , you know , the shorter the wavelength

41:32

, the more energetic the

41:34

photons are , and it's absolutely

41:36

true that that's a physical phenomenon . So

41:39

that might argue that radio frequency

41:41

radiation is the worst , and

41:46

millimeter wave radio

41:49

frequency radiation is

41:51

beyond decency , you

41:54

know , clearly much more um

41:56

energetic , however

41:58

, um . I

42:01

work with with people who live in

42:04

a sort of society

42:07

and people who have been driven

42:09

completely out

42:12

of society . They've lost

42:14

everything . They can no longer work or

42:16

even exist in a place with even

42:18

something like cell phone service

42:20

. I mean , these people are a

42:25

long way from what we

42:30

consider to be a normal life and

42:32

I'm really interested in people's stories and what

42:34

happened and how did

42:36

things get to this way . And

42:39

what I've learned is that any

42:41

of these

42:43

electromagnetic energies have

42:48

been correlated in stories that people tell

42:50

me , to electrical

42:52

sensitivity . And then you

42:55

know their , their downfall

42:57

. So I've known people

42:59

who have had low frequency

43:02

exposure that has

43:04

led to tremendous sensitivity

43:06

and a need to leave society and

43:09

I'll talk about what low frequency exposure

43:11

means in a minute . And then I

43:14

meet people all the time who are

43:16

able to say well

43:18

, that cell phone tower went in across

43:21

the street or just down the block

43:23

. From that

43:25

night on I didn't sleep and then I started

43:27

getting ringing in my ears and you know , you know

43:30

malaise , you know all

43:32

these different things , these

43:40

different things . So I think it's very often radio frequency radiation

43:43

, but I think I think every single one of them is bad , every

43:46

single form . So

43:48

I'll go through and I'll talk about the different forms

43:50

and you

43:52

sort of break these four into

43:57

high

44:00

frequency and low frequency . And

44:02

when I say high frequency I'm

44:05

talking about radio frequency radiation

44:08

. Different people make that break

44:10

in different places . Some people

44:12

want to say above 1,000

44:15

hertz is high

44:19

frequency and other people want to say , oh

44:22

, above 27 billion

44:24

hertz is radio frequency . So

44:27

I won't quibble about exactly

44:30

where that dividing is , but it's intentional

44:34

radiators . That's what

44:36

we're really talking about . So according to

44:38

the fcc in the in the united states

44:40

, for example , you have to

44:42

have a license for something that's an intentional

44:45

radiator of radio

44:47

frequency radiation . So

44:50

that goes in one category all by

44:52

itself , and that goes all the way up to the

44:54

crazy

44:57

millimeter wave stuff . The

45:01

low frequency stuff is attributes

45:04

of our power system , so

45:06

it's having to do with electric

45:09

and magnetic fields . Why

45:12

do we have electric and magnetic fields on

45:14

the low end ? That's weird . We

45:17

only talk about radiofrequency , radiation

45:19

on the high end , and the

45:21

answer is coherence . There's

45:25

a formula for the length

45:27

of a wave , the wavelength

45:29

, and when coherence

45:31

happens . So

45:34

the electrical energies from the grid

45:36

are coherent , but

45:38

only many thousands

45:41

of miles away , so

45:43

we're always in the near field there and

45:46

the electric and the magnetic potentials

45:48

need to be considered separately . So when

45:51

we get to the low frequency and the

45:54

power line stuff , we

45:56

think about electric fields and

45:59

then we think about magnetic fields . A

46:02

way to think , a way to consider

46:04

the difference between the two , is

46:06

if you have power

46:09

available in your home and

46:11

absolutely nothing turned on , nothing

46:14

, nothing plugged in , no

46:16

energy being used at all , your

46:19

electric fields in that house will

46:21

be maximum . They don't get

46:23

any higher .

46:25

They don't get any lower .

46:29

That's it . You've got your full electric

46:31

field potential with the power on and nothing

46:33

being used . The

46:35

magnetic field exposure is

46:38

proportional to how

46:40

much energy you're actually

46:42

consuming . So current

46:45

flow is what we're really talking about . And

46:48

when you have current flow , then

46:51

you have the potential for magnetic fields

46:53

or inductive

46:55

four

47:04

magnetic fields , or inductive devices like motors and whatnot . Those produce a magnetic field as well

47:06

. So electric fields and magnetic fields . And then

47:08

the third thing that has

47:10

to do with low frequency is in

47:14

my realm it's called dirty electricity

47:16

. I never really liked the term because it sounds

47:18

, I don't know , it sounds hokey

47:21

kind of , doesn't it ? I mean , oh

47:23

, it's electricity that's dirty , but

47:26

it's um , I don't know . It says I guess

47:28

it's a term of art in EMF assessment

47:30

and remediation . I

47:33

would like to I like to call it conducted

47:36

electromagnetic interference . So

47:40

from an electrical

47:43

perspective , what

47:46

dirty electricity is

47:48

is everything that should not

47:50

be on

47:52

your electric lines . On

47:59

your electric lines , the only thing that

48:01

really should be on the electric power lines is a

48:09

60 cycle sine wave in north america anyway , that describes that vacillation that I talked about

48:11

earlier , from a peak voltage to actually a zero

48:13

voltage and then a negative voltage to

48:19

actually a zero voltage and then a negative voltage 60 times in one second , and that's

48:22

all you should really see on

48:25

, say , a frequency

48:28

trace of your power

48:30

lines . That's

48:38

really not what I see . When I take an oscilloscope and I look at somebody's power , I see a lot

48:40

of different frequencies . There have nothing to do with the delivery

48:42

of power , nothing that you're paying for when

48:45

you pay your electric bill , nothing that's going to be

48:47

helpful for you when you're

48:49

running your refrigerator or your

48:51

well pump or whatever it may be . These

48:54

things don't belong there , and so that's why we

48:56

call it dirty electricity . And

48:59

there can be . It's

49:02

very much an understudied area

49:05

, but everything we know about it is

49:07

not good . So

49:09

those are the four things electric fields , magnetic

49:12

fields , dirty electricity and

49:15

radio frequency radiation .

49:18

Yeah , super interesting . I mean I

49:21

don't know , I would get lost

49:23

in this . I think it's easy to get overwhelmed

49:25

with sort of the magnitude

49:29

of the issues . That's

49:31

why I like how you broke it down and I like the fact

49:34

that you keep things for people

49:36

generally simple , because

49:38

fundamentally I think the changes

49:40

a lot of people need to make to some

49:42

degree are simple . It's like putting that phone away

49:44

at night , and actually I sort of laughed when you said

49:46

that earlier , because almost everyone

49:49

I've told that to or

49:51

told that I do that at night

49:53

too , is like how is someone supposed

49:55

to reach you in the middle of the night ? And

50:02

I'll be like well , they don't . If something tragic happens , I'll find out at eight

50:04

in the morning and I'll still be sad . Then only I'll be well rested . It's usually

50:06

what I tell people . Um so

50:09

one that I don't know . If tristan wanted

50:11

to go a little bit deeper there before I asked sort

50:13

of was something that I was interested in , but

50:16

I'm going to ask him now

50:18

if he does no , you're

50:20

good , ryan , you can go okay , I

50:22

wanted to ask one thing about just the millimeter wavelengths

50:24

, because tristan had rob uh really

50:26

gone from oppa bar

50:28

uh and they talked

50:30

about that as well , but we actually did

50:32

a lot about too long ago talking about the

50:35

rollout of those waves , sort of happening more

50:37

soon than we maybe had

50:39

anticipated before in high density

50:42

areas . Maybe we could get into

50:44

a little bit about just your view around

50:46

those and why they are so troubling

50:49

, maybe in a way that we

50:51

hadn't dealt with before , because

50:54

it's sort of like every new thing at the

50:56

next level , but this is like a next

50:58

level and so I love you to kind of

51:01

dive into that and maybe break that down a little bit for

51:03

our audience . That maybe be less familiar

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, by the way , Ryan , I really agree with what you're saying

52:24

about how can I get in touch with you

52:26

at night . I've seen

52:28

in my life fax machines , voicemail

52:31

, cell phones , email

52:33

all get added to the expectations

52:36

that we're supposed to live under , the under the burden

52:38

of , and are we getting

52:40

that much more money ? Is life that much

52:42

richer ? So , yeah , I'm with you

52:45

, just turn it off . But yeah , with regard

52:47

to the , the millimeter wave

52:49

stuff , it is just absolutely

52:51

um , crazy

52:53

what's going on there now , and I

52:56

just started a , a three part

52:58

might be a four part series on my sub

53:00

stack that that deals

53:02

with you know what exactly is 5g

53:05

? Because a lot of this millimeter

53:07

stuff is is conflated with with

53:09

5g and

53:12

um , um . And

53:15

the really

53:17

unfortunate thing is I

53:19

think we were all led to believe that 5G

53:22

high band , so to speak

53:24

was being conflated

53:27

with millimeter wave radiation . So

53:29

this is going to be like the first time in history humans

53:32

are going to be exposed to millimeter wave radiation

53:35

. Is with this terrible specter

53:37

that we're meant to be afraid of ? 5g

53:39

that's getting rolled out and

53:42

what I ? What I found ? I

53:45

was asked to be a beta tester

53:47

for um

53:49

, the first really helpful

53:51

millimeter wave product with the

53:54

correct level of

53:56

accuracy , sensitivity

53:58

and third-party certification

54:01

so I could use in my work . So

54:04

it was my first view into

54:06

millimeter wave radiation in the environment

54:09

. I was super excited because you

54:12

know you have to have a particular

54:14

piece of equipment to be able to see a particular

54:16

phenomenon and I had

54:18

heard a lot about millimeter wave tech

54:20

and I didn't have any way of

54:23

seeing if it was there and

54:25

my most sensitive clients . We live in a very

54:28

rural , remote area in

54:31

the inland Northwest about 50 miles

54:33

from the Canadian border , so

54:36

it's pretty peaceful up here and I figured we were going

54:38

to be spared the horrors

54:40

of millimeter wave 5G

54:42

implementation and we have been . But

54:45

I found there was already environmental

54:47

exposure 5G excuse

54:50

me , millimeter wave radiation . And

54:53

if you buy food or you travel

54:56

, if you buy food or you travel , not

54:58

only are you being exposed right now , but

55:01

you've been exposed for a long time how

55:03

long , I don't know Long

55:14

enough . For every grocery store in

55:16

the area we live and we have a national chain , a couple of regional chains and

55:19

a local chain to walk into any of those grocery stores you're

55:21

going to be exposed to really intense millimeter

55:23

wave radiation and

55:26

Tristan . We

55:28

know there's a lot of different ways

55:30

to open the door for people . You

55:33

don't need to use millimeter wave radiation

55:35

to open a door to

55:37

get into a supermarket . There's

55:40

a lot of different ways to solve that problem . So

55:42

why all the grocery

55:44

stores now

55:47

bathe their customers in millimeter wave radiation

55:50

when they go in to

55:52

shop ? I don't know

55:54

. I don't know . One

55:56

woman shared with me that her child can't go

55:58

into a supermarket because he goes into seizures

56:00

, and I wonder if that's why

56:03

I sometimes feel slightly

56:05

disoriented when I walk in the door . I wonder if that's

56:07

why . So you

56:10

know who said that was okay and why

56:12

did anybody make that decision ? Should

56:15

we not be careful with radiation

56:17

exposures of all types and

56:20

be cautious , especially where women and children

56:22

are possibly

56:25

being exposed ? So

56:27

, unfortunately

56:29

, what I'm saying is , even in this rather

56:31

peaceful area where I live , if

56:34

you want to buy groceries , you're going to get exposed

56:36

. Now we have one grocery

56:39

store out of four that

56:41

has a delicatessen door . You

56:43

know , you push it open and

56:45

that one you can go in with no

56:47

millimeter wave radiation exposure . So

56:50

that's something I've

56:52

tried to let my local followers

56:55

know about . Followers

57:03

know about . The other thing is we have other millimeter wave exposures that have been

57:05

increasing . They've been in place since

57:08

at least 2009 and

57:10

it has to do with vehicular

57:13

radar . So

57:15

millimeter wave radiation

57:17

emitters , intentional

57:19

emitters , intentional radiators

57:22

on vehicles for

57:24

the purpose of things like adaptive

57:26

cruise control , collision

57:28

avoidance , backup . You know these

57:31

different things and I wonder

57:33

whether it's worth it . I wonder whether it's worth

57:35

it to have everybody

57:39

in the population now exposed to millimeter

57:41

wave radiation , and

57:44

let's just assume the health effects are unknown

57:46

. Well

57:48

, where's our control group going to ? be if we

57:50

ever want to , you know , make sense

57:53

out of what's going on with a

57:55

new disease in the future or whatever . So

57:58

, sadly , what I learned is , even

58:00

in beautiful places you

58:03

can't avoid millimeter wave radiation

58:05

exposure . That has

58:07

absolutely nothing to do

58:09

with 5G cell

58:12

service , 5g telephony , so

58:16

these two are not to

58:18

be conflated millimeter wave

58:20

radiation and 5G

58:22

it's broader than

58:24

that . So then we

58:27

can talk about the 5G

58:30

cell service and

58:32

the millimeter wave aspect

58:34

of that and what

58:36

I see as the greatest danger there might surprise

58:39

you , but we'll kind of go

58:41

through this a little bit at a time . I mentioned earlier

58:43

that the higher the

58:45

frequency , the shorter the wavelength

58:48

, the greater the energetic

58:50

potential of the photons

58:53

. That's well accepted

58:55

. So when you get into the millimeter

58:57

wave radiation , much , much more

58:59

energetic and

59:02

therefore a

59:04

need to push harder

59:07

, and the distance that these

59:09

things can travel and retain that energy

59:11

is shorter , still governed

59:13

by the inverse square law . But all

59:16

of this boils down to meaning you

59:19

have to have a multitude of transmitters

59:24

and antennas to

59:26

serve . And

59:28

, by the way , I say serve

59:30

with air quotes because

59:33

in the 21st

59:35

century serve and service

59:37

means exposure to a sea

59:39

of unnatural radiation . Cell

59:41

phone service , wi-fi service , 5g

59:44

service . It means you

59:46

are in a sea of unnatural radiation

59:48

. No sea of

59:51

unnatural radiation , no

59:53

service . So what

59:56

a weird turn of language , right ? Yeah

59:58

, I want service anyway

1:00:00

. So you um want

1:00:03

to have 5g cell

1:00:06

service millimeter

1:00:09

wave . You know the fastest variety

1:00:11

possible . It's going

1:00:13

to involve a

1:00:15

huge number , a dramatic increase

1:00:18

in the number of transmitters and

1:00:20

antennas in

1:00:22

a particular area . So

1:00:25

the danger that I see , other than it's

1:00:29

totally untested

1:00:31

. We

1:00:34

know all forms of harmful man-made

1:00:37

electromagnetic radiation up

1:00:39

to this point have been harmful . We don't know

1:00:41

how much more harmful millimeter wave is going

1:00:43

to be . It's untested . They introduced

1:00:45

it before any of the testing

1:00:48

. So now we're going to make a huge

1:00:50

number of transmitters in certain

1:00:52

areas metropolitan areas

1:00:54

, sporting stadiums , things like

1:00:56

that . And then I

1:00:58

mentioned my concern

1:01:00

might be a little bit different than you would think . It

1:01:04

is because there is no safe level

1:01:06

of exposure . I

1:01:08

think Neil Cherry and others

1:01:10

were among the first to

1:01:12

state that and prove

1:01:15

it . The only known level

1:01:17

of exposure , that

1:01:21

, and prove it , the only known level of exposure , safe level of exposure

1:01:23

is actually zero . And I don't mean zero on a cheap meter , I mean zero out to , you

1:01:25

know , 16 decimals . And

1:01:30

Arthur Furstenberg has just written

1:01:32

a beautiful paper demonstrating

1:01:35

, among other things sometimes

1:01:38

there's an inverse relationship

1:01:40

between power , intensity and

1:01:43

physiological effect . That's

1:01:46

a mind blower right . So

1:01:48

there are experiments that have been conducted at

1:01:50

a certain power uh , power

1:01:53

density level , and

1:01:55

then they repeated it with a power density

1:01:57

1,000 times lower

1:02:00

and found a greater physiological

1:02:03

effect . So

1:02:06

let that soak in

1:02:08

. Sometimes

1:02:10

a smaller

1:02:13

exposure can

1:02:15

cause a more dramatic

1:02:18

physiological effect . That's

1:02:21

my concern in an

1:02:24

area with an abundance of transmitters

1:02:26

and antennas is

1:02:28

at any point in time , you're

1:02:31

being exposed to the gamut . I mean

1:02:33

every possible

1:02:35

power level in

1:02:38

the millimeter radiation spectrum

1:02:41

, from the

1:02:43

highest level with the , you know , your

1:02:46

nearest transmitter to

1:02:49

the one 14 blocks away , that

1:02:51

you can't measure . You know

1:02:53

it's below zero on even the best meter

1:02:55

you have , but the

1:02:57

inverse square law does not go to zero

1:02:59

, you know . No , no , these

1:03:02

energies are infinite . So that's

1:03:04

, that's the , that's my take on what

1:03:06

, what ? One of the things that's going to be really

1:03:08

harmful about the 5g

1:03:10

cell service ?

1:03:12

uh millimeter wave yeah

1:03:15

, I mean you outlined a lot of great points

1:03:18

and that , yeah , people

1:03:20

don't even know , aren't even aware that

1:03:22

you know radar guns are using like 30

1:03:24

gigahertz or 33 gigahertz traffic

1:03:27

cameras . I mean the new l3

1:03:29

harris airport scanners are

1:03:31

using millimeter waves the

1:03:33

grocery store . One's funny as well

1:03:36

, because you don't even think about

1:03:38

it . I guess the good thing is that

1:03:40

, you know , to me is like you can

1:03:42

worry about all these things but at

1:03:45

the end of the day , your cell phone is still

1:03:47

. You know , maybe you go to the grocery store every

1:03:49

day that's once a day but

1:03:52

how many hours you're spending on your

1:03:54

phone and to me as

1:03:57

practical advice is the

1:03:59

relationship and how you use your phone

1:04:02

is definitely going to be probably the number

1:04:04

one source . And you know

1:04:06

there's some people out there that don't

1:04:08

even have a cell phone or are completely

1:04:11

hardwired because of that and it's

1:04:13

it's such a challenge in the modern world

1:04:15

, which is really the modern toxic

1:04:18

soup that you're mentioning right , like we're

1:04:20

just in this sea of noise

1:04:22

and that signal to noise ratio has never

1:04:24

been lower . And , yeah

1:04:27

, you mentioned the lower intensity having this

1:04:30

increased physiological effect

1:04:33

. We just really

1:04:35

have no idea . I mean , you could ask what's

1:04:37

worse RF or low frequencies

1:04:39

? You know you could go in depth

1:04:42

and because we've been so ignorant

1:04:44

and because we haven't been able to fund

1:04:46

, like you know , the proper studies

1:04:48

harmful , but we don't really have

1:04:50

the luxury of doing these . You know controlled tests

1:05:01

about . You know what frequencies are

1:05:03

worse , what intensities are worse . Is this affecting

1:05:05

one organ system versus

1:05:07

the other ? Because we haven't yet admitted

1:05:10

as a society that they are harmful

1:05:12

. And to me that's that's the worst part

1:05:14

, because ignorance is then allowing

1:05:16

this giant science experiment to

1:05:19

to proliferate . And yeah

1:05:21

, the , the millimeter wave rollout

1:05:24

, um , to

1:05:26

me in big cities and

1:05:28

airports and downtown areas

1:05:30

is the major concern , but

1:05:32

it really comes back as well to the

1:05:34

cell phones and then the density of

1:05:36

people . So the

1:05:39

more people , the more devices , the

1:05:41

more beams and the

1:05:43

more emfs that you're , you're in the crossfire

1:05:45

constantly , so that c is is

1:05:48

much more uh , you know it's much

1:05:50

deeper , it's , it's much more active , and

1:05:53

I think people should just be aware of that because

1:05:55

it is a big ask to say like

1:05:57

, yeah , move away from

1:05:59

a downtown area perhaps , but even

1:06:03

even living in the suburbs , I think

1:06:05

is a is a massive step

1:06:07

in the right direction . And then , just

1:06:09

like you said , creating that somewhat

1:06:12

of a sleep sanctuary for yourself , like

1:06:14

turn it off at nighttime , like do you do

1:06:16

you need this ? Give your body

1:06:18

a break for once , because

1:06:20

we don't know what intensity

1:06:23

and what level is affecting

1:06:25

our biology . But we do know that if

1:06:27

you get a good night's rest , if you actually

1:06:31

eliminate the source and

1:06:33

really lower that exposure

1:06:35

by unplugging your Wi-Fi

1:06:37

, turning your phone off , having

1:06:40

no plugged in appliances

1:06:42

in your bedroom , you'll be better

1:06:44

able to restore

1:06:46

and repair at night . And I

1:06:48

just always come back to that because

1:06:50

we could go back and forth , keith

1:06:53

, for probably another two hours and people

1:06:55

would probably get more or

1:06:57

about what they should do , because there is so

1:06:59

much nuance , we have still so much to

1:07:01

learn . But I think having

1:07:03

a precautionary but

1:07:05

not neurotic mindset about

1:07:08

what's realistic for you and

1:07:10

what's low-hanging fruit to reduce your

1:07:12

exposure is probably the best way . Um

1:07:15

, and the

1:07:17

only caveat I'll say , as well as 5g

1:07:19

, is like good thing that higher frequencies have

1:07:22

, have much worse range um and

1:07:24

are much more , you know , uh

1:07:27

, deflected or or dissipated

1:07:29

um by distance

1:07:32

and structures , because it's

1:07:34

just another reason why perhaps getting

1:07:36

out of the city might be , might be a good . A

1:07:39

good thing if you're trying to raise a family

1:07:41

or healing from a chronic health

1:07:43

condition .

1:07:52

Yeah , I really agree with what you're saying EMF

1:07:54

and man-made EMF and

1:07:56

the fact that the

1:07:58

man-made EMF is not

1:08:00

present and probably

1:08:03

universally harmful to our biology . But

1:08:06

there's hope in all these things . I

1:08:08

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1:09:47

check out at the door that's

1:09:50

next to . Don't

1:09:53

check out at the checkout stand that's next to that

1:09:56

door . You can minimize

1:09:58

personal exposure . You don't need any equipment

1:10:00

for that , you just need you

1:10:02

know . And then , on the highway

1:10:05

, don't sit between two

1:10:07

cars if you're in a rural area , if

1:10:09

you don't have to , because if they're

1:10:11

newer cars , they probably both are

1:10:13

emitting this vehicular radar . And

1:10:16

on and on . There's always things

1:10:18

that can be done . And to get back to what

1:10:20

you were saying , absolutely it is a cell

1:10:23

phone that is going

1:10:26

to be your greatest source of radiation . I

1:10:28

took a recording meter

1:10:30

and I put it next to a cell

1:10:32

phone . I live out in the middle of the woods here , so

1:10:34

there was really no other RF to speak of . And

1:10:37

then I just looked at the recording

1:10:39

and I did a YouTube video on

1:10:41

that and you can see this cell

1:10:43

phone's not doing anything . I mean , there's no

1:10:45

text , there's no anything going on , but

1:10:48

it's just pulsing and pulsing , you

1:10:50

know , every once in a while . So

1:10:52

if you can pattern

1:10:56

your life in such a way that you can turn

1:10:58

that off . Maybe get a landline phone in

1:11:01

your house . That'll reduce your radiation exposure

1:11:03

tremendously . If you decide you

1:11:06

can't do that , it doesn't mean there's nothing

1:11:08

you can do . Go put your phone

1:11:10

in the next room . Just distance

1:11:13

can play a massive

1:11:15

role . Yeah , okay , it'll be a little less

1:11:17

convenient for you to get up and go

1:11:19

into the next room and get it , but that

1:11:22

will make a reduction in your

1:11:24

radio exposure . Maybe

1:11:26

, if you and your wife are together , maybe you turn one of your

1:11:28

cell phones off . That'll make a difference In

1:11:31

every instance . There's

1:11:33

some things that can be done and there's simple

1:11:36

Wi-Fi . You decide you want

1:11:38

Wi-Fi in your house . Okay , fine , do

1:11:41

you need it at night ? You know there's a $15

1:11:45

remote cutoff switch

1:11:47

that's available . Plug your Wi-Fi

1:11:49

router into this thing . You get a little . Oh

1:11:51

, here's what it looks like . You get one

1:11:54

of these next to your bed

1:11:56

. I don't use Wi-Fi

1:11:58

, I'm using this for something else , but

1:12:00

anyway , when you're ready for bed , the

1:12:02

last person in just presses this button and

1:12:05

whatever you got hooked up to this turns

1:12:08

off . So there are many , many

1:12:10

things that can do and nobody needs

1:12:12

to feel like there's nothing that

1:12:14

I can do to reduce my

1:12:16

personal exposure . There really

1:12:18

is . There's quite a bit , yeah , to reduce my personal exposure there really is .

1:12:20

There's quite a bit . Yeah , it's huge Everything you just said . I couldn't

1:12:22

agree with more , and actually I've found

1:12:25

, the further you get down this road , whether

1:12:27

it's looking at EMFs or just

1:12:29

anything in health really sort of simplicity

1:12:31

is the name of the game . I mean , nature's

1:12:34

made it very obvious

1:12:36

what we need and what we don't need

1:12:38

. Teachers made it very

1:12:40

obvious what we need and what we don't need , and it's funny because I'll get uh comments

1:12:42

from from friends all the time that what helps them the most

1:12:44

is what they take away , not necessarily

1:12:46

what they add , and that could not be

1:12:49

more true . And so

1:12:51

, yeah , I mean it's addiction to

1:12:53

convenience for a lot of these things . At the end of the day

1:12:55

, it's really interesting to sort

1:12:57

of watch people's reactions

1:13:00

to things that I do or

1:13:02

say that I have clients do

1:13:04

or whatever . But , like you said , yeah , it's like

1:13:06

focus on the people that are

1:13:09

curious , willing to listen

1:13:11

, sort of one question I wanted to have where I

1:13:13

hand it back to Tristan is . I

1:13:16

know Tristan wants to build a home . I'd

1:13:18

love to build a home . When you're

1:13:20

building a home , how would you

1:13:22

approach that ? I mean , maybe

1:13:25

you build the home you're in because I'm sort

1:13:27

of assuming , but how

1:13:30

have you looked at that ? Because that's

1:13:32

, in my mind , a huge

1:13:34

opportunity for yourself to set

1:13:36

up success .

1:13:38

Yeah , um , I love doing

1:13:40

the home , home design and building projects

1:13:42

. It is where everything

1:13:45

comes together . It is is such

1:13:47

a fun activity and

1:13:50

, um , I've had the opportunity

1:13:52

to , to do what we might

1:13:54

call mansions , and then , uh

1:13:56

, just completed my , my first tiny

1:13:59

house and , yeah

1:14:01

, I designed it actually , my

1:14:03

wife and son and I actually built this house

1:14:05

that we're in now , and

1:14:08

it depends on

1:14:10

exactly what the client wants

1:14:12

to achieve . You

1:14:14

can have what I call durable protection

1:14:16

against the harmful man-made stuff

1:14:18

. That really

1:14:21

doesn't cost that much more

1:14:23

in your

1:14:25

home construction and it's going

1:14:28

to get protection forever . So

1:14:30

a really simple example is

1:14:33

that when you're

1:14:35

running your wiring , that

1:14:40

, when you're running your wiring , instead of

1:14:42

using the plastic what

1:14:44

do you call it

1:14:47

? Romex or whatever use

1:14:51

the type of wiring that has a little spiral metal

1:14:53

coating on it . It's called MC metallic cable . Okay

1:14:56

, it costs more than the plastic

1:14:59

stuff , but in the

1:15:01

overall scheme of a house are you kidding

1:15:03

me ? I mean , it's a , it's a rounding

1:15:05

error on your cabinet , you know

1:15:07

, decision for your , for

1:15:09

your kitchen , and forever

1:15:12

Then the house is not going to be emitting

1:15:14

electric fields

1:15:16

like it was , and if you did

1:15:19

nothing else , um

1:15:21

other than designing your home

1:15:24

to reduce the electric

1:15:26

fields oh man , there

1:15:28

would be a sense of peace . People go

1:15:30

into your home and say it

1:15:32

feels so good here . You know

1:15:34

so . Um , and you

1:15:37

there there's cautions . You

1:15:39

, if you implement your wiring system

1:15:42

wrong , you're going to get

1:15:44

something we haven't talked about called nuisance

1:15:46

current and

1:15:48

it's going to be traveling all over that

1:15:50

, that mc cable

1:15:53

in your walls and

1:15:56

, um , that would be troubling . So you

1:15:58

have to implement this stuff

1:16:00

carefully . But I'm just giving you an

1:16:02

idea of how you know one of the very simple

1:16:05

things that you can do . You

1:16:07

can do other very simple things like just

1:16:11

look at your floor plan and look

1:16:13

at your largest magnetic fields

1:16:15

. What are my largest

1:16:18

magnetic fields ? Your largest magnetic

1:16:20

fields are going to be an induction

1:16:22

stove , an electric stove

1:16:25

, a refrigerator

1:16:27

, any kind

1:16:29

of a pump that

1:16:31

you might have , and don't

1:16:33

put them on the other side of

1:16:36

your bedroom wall where you're going to sleep . You

1:16:39

know five feet away is going to be fine

1:16:41

, but maybe don't put

1:16:43

those things right on

1:16:45

the other side of where baby is sleeping

1:16:48

or whatever . So it's just laying

1:16:50

out the house differently

1:16:52

than you might have . No-transcript

1:17:18

important , which is there is

1:17:20

no perfect shielding . Okay

1:17:23

, no matter how good

1:17:25

your shielding is and how thick it is and

1:17:28

how big or small your

1:17:30

your radiation source that you're

1:17:32

trying to shield . some

1:17:34

of it will bounce off the shielding , some of it

1:17:36

will get stuck inside and some of it will bounce off the shielding . Some of it will get stuck

1:17:38

inside and some of it it might be immeasurable

1:17:41

, depending on the quality of the shielding , as

1:17:44

some amount is going to make it through

1:17:46

. So I don't want to give anybody

1:17:48

the false impression that you're going to have 0.0016

1:17:51

zeros , but

1:17:56

you can get 0.000

1:17:58

microwatts per square

1:18:01

meter of RF , and

1:18:04

that all comes down to managing

1:18:06

your shielding strategy . By

1:18:09

the way , don't ever let anybody paint your bedroom

1:18:11

black , if we have time to

1:18:13

talk about that later . But your

1:18:15

shielding strategy when you're building a home , getting

1:18:19

that right and then managing your

1:18:22

penetrations . So every

1:18:24

window , every door , if

1:18:26

you have a chimney , your

1:18:28

plumbing vents , all of those are penetrations

1:18:31

in what is otherwise

1:18:33

than a Faraday cage

1:18:35

. So you have to manage all of those things

1:18:37

very carefully and then , for

1:18:40

that reason , you'll

1:18:44

have incredible attenuation from the outside environment . It won't be

1:18:46

perfect , which all of that

1:18:48

argues . Find a very good

1:18:50

place and then build a shielded home

1:18:52

would be the smart money .

1:18:55

I think those are great recommendations

1:18:57

and the thing

1:18:59

about this , often definitely the shielded

1:19:01

cabling conduit , like low-hanging

1:19:03

fruit folks , and it's

1:19:05

just wild that if we just

1:19:07

acknowledge this we could reduce such

1:19:10

a um , you

1:19:13

know , vast amount of especially

1:19:15

the power frequencies and

1:19:17

just use devices smarter

1:19:19

. And then I think of the next

1:19:21

level is like if we started from scratch

1:19:24

today , keith , what would our you

1:19:26

know what would be the most optimal

1:19:28

electrical system ? And I I

1:19:31

think it would look like something we

1:19:33

have , the ac transmission , because that's

1:19:35

massive infrastructure overhaul . But maybe

1:19:37

communities start popping up where the

1:19:40

ac to dc conversion , instead

1:19:43

of happening at the adapter level and your

1:19:45

charging cables , is

1:19:47

happening at the pole outside

1:19:49

your house and your house is fully run on

1:19:51

on dc and we

1:19:53

can make dc appliances to have them for

1:19:55

what , like campers and things like that

1:19:57

, and you still shield all the all

1:19:59

the cables . But then you have a much you

1:20:02

know lower effect from

1:20:04

having a static field . So I'm

1:20:08

curious on your take there , what would you do if

1:20:10

you were starting the electrical grid from scratch

1:20:13

, if you were , like in charge of

1:20:15

the technological revolution

1:20:17

, would you just make everybody , you

1:20:19

know , go fiber optic and and maybe

1:20:21

we can yeah round out here on just

1:20:23

some fun brainstorming on . If

1:20:26

we were in charge of everything and had unlimited

1:20:28

money , what would a system

1:20:30

look like that's really at level

1:20:33

one , considering the end user's health

1:20:35

, the end societal member's

1:20:37

health ?

1:20:39

Well , I can tell

1:20:41

you what I wouldn't do for the

1:20:43

rollout of the grid . We

1:20:48

have a fatal flaw in the grid and that is that

1:20:50

more than half of the current

1:20:53

is returned through the

1:20:55

earth . It's

1:20:59

just , it's absolutely

1:21:01

mind-boggling . We want

1:21:03

to have lightning protection for

1:21:07

the grid , infrastructure and obviously

1:21:09

for homes

1:21:13

. The common conductor

1:21:16

and the ground . In

1:21:20

the way that it's done in the majority

1:21:22

of North America means

1:21:24

that you have electric power

1:21:27

current flowing

1:21:29

back to the point of distribution like

1:21:31

a substation or the point of generation

1:21:33

, and

1:21:36

it's absolute madness . I wish

1:21:38

I had the ability to share a screen real quickly

1:21:40

, but I

1:21:42

don't have it set up . I went to this pristine

1:21:44

place we're

1:21:48

talking a bubbling stream , a rich

1:21:50

, lush valley filled with grasses

1:21:52

and different plants

1:21:54

and whatnot and

1:21:56

I thought , oh man , this is paradise

1:21:59

. So I'm going to take some pictures here . I

1:22:01

enjoy doing that . And I'm taking some

1:22:03

pictures and I'm thinking what am I doing ? I should take my

1:22:05

feet off and I take my shoes off

1:22:07

in ground . And

1:22:09

I said you know what ? I want to check out the EMF

1:22:12

before I do that . And bear in mind

1:22:14

I'm out in the middle of nowhere . There's no power lines

1:22:16

there

1:22:25

. Bear in mind , I'm out in middle of nowhere , there's no power lines , there's no people , but

1:22:27

I'm a nerd so I had to do it right . So I check out and there's , uh , unfortunately , a sea

1:22:29

of unnatural radiation , because their cell phone service relatively low , I

1:22:31

suppose five microwatts per

1:22:33

square meter , but disappointing that there was any

1:22:36

. And then I

1:22:38

almost didn't check out the electric

1:22:40

and magnetic fields because I'm thinking this

1:22:43

is ridiculous , there's not going to be any . But

1:22:45

I always check because I can be humbled

1:22:48

if I make a guess . So

1:22:50

I get out the meter . Of course there's no electric fields

1:22:52

, there's nothing visible above ground , massive

1:22:56

magnetic fields above

1:23:02

ground , massive magnetic fields . I mean , I'm talking about levels that

1:23:04

, according to the research , would increase , um , miscarriage and possibly lead

1:23:06

to childhood leukemia and things like . And

1:23:08

I , what in the world is going on

1:23:10

? Well , I thought

1:23:12

about it later . And so this stream

1:23:14

bed , um , and

1:23:17

then you have a electrical generating

1:23:19

facility at the other side

1:23:21

of this valley and I

1:23:24

think , just because of

1:23:26

the difference in the conductivity

1:23:29

in that little valley , with

1:23:31

the stream bed and the water flowing through

1:23:33

it , that

1:23:40

phenomenon that I told you about where we are at , we made the decision to return current to

1:23:42

the point of distribution or generation through the earth . It

1:23:45

will explore each and every path

1:23:47

, but it will favor the path

1:23:49

of least resistance . So

1:23:51

it leads to a phenomenon like that where in unexpected

1:23:54

places you can find

1:23:56

really elevated

1:23:58

magnetic fields , which is just a super

1:24:00

, super bad thing . So

1:24:04

you ask you know what would be the

1:24:06

perfect ? I wouldn't do that . I

1:24:08

wouldn't allow return

1:24:10

current to be done through the

1:24:12

earth . I think that's a bad thing . I

1:24:14

wouldn't allow any conductors

1:24:16

above ground . That's

1:24:18

just such an easy thing . Then you don't have any

1:24:20

electric fields from

1:24:22

high-tension lines and whatnot . Yes , it would

1:24:25

cost a little bit more money , so

1:24:27

I wouldn't allow any

1:24:31

overhead wires . So

1:24:34

maybe I'll start with that . And then with

1:24:37

regard to the DC

1:24:39

, unfortunately , see , I lived off

1:24:41

grid for 10 years

1:24:43

and I'll

1:24:46

tell you what off grid is not a

1:24:48

panacea . Off

1:24:50

grid power can be some of the worst , some

1:24:52

of the dirtiest power out there

1:24:55

. Power

1:25:05

out there , and I was just unable to endure the inverter-based power Just

1:25:07

absolutely 100% toxic . And so there are ways that you can

1:25:10

deal with that and can mitigate it . But even

1:25:13

just turning the well pump on , because

1:25:15

you're out the middle of nowhere and so you're obviously

1:25:18

not on city water or anything . But

1:25:21

even having AC running

1:25:23

off , off that inverter to , to , to

1:25:26

pump the water two or three times a day was

1:25:28

just just agonizing . So

1:25:30

then I said , well , I'm going to go to DC

1:25:32

and I and I was able to turn everything

1:25:34

DC , dc pump , dc , everything

1:25:37

DC refrigerator , dc

1:25:39

freezer agonizing

1:25:43

and much more difficult to shield

1:25:45

. And so , remember

1:25:48

, we talked before about this orientation

1:25:50

in nature of you

1:25:52

know this , this vertically oriented electric

1:25:55

field , if you think about it , the wiring

1:25:57

in your house , some of it your house , some of it goes this way , some

1:26:00

of it goes this way , some of

1:26:02

it goes this way . And

1:26:05

I think that . And then also

1:26:07

the nature of the voltage converters

1:26:09

, because in an off-grid

1:26:11

environment you

1:26:13

have things that are wanting to run on 12 volts

1:26:15

, some want to run on 24 , some want

1:26:18

to run on 48 . And so

1:26:20

these voltage converters are built in which

1:26:23

cause the same kind of dirty electricity phenomenon

1:26:26

that you have with alternating current

1:26:28

. So DC is not a panacea

1:26:30

that

1:26:36

I can think of would be , instead of having nonlinear

1:26:38

power supplies , just outlaw

1:26:41

nonlinear power supplies and

1:26:44

go with linear power supplies in the

1:26:46

homes . They would make nice little

1:26:48

heaters as well . So

1:26:52

those are some of my thoughts

1:26:54

. And was there one other part of that

1:26:56

question ? I can't remember .

1:26:59

No , I think you answered it pretty well . Um

1:27:01

, it's uh , yeah

1:27:05

, it's uh , it's tough , there's there's only

1:27:07

trade-offs , right , but I still think

1:27:09

that we can

1:27:11

have informed decision . I used to work in the

1:27:13

world of dc dc power conversion

1:27:16

. I can tell you for sure it's not in

1:27:18

the , it's not 100 clean electricity

1:27:21

either . Um , but we

1:27:24

can think about that . And then you know , engineers

1:27:26

are , they're trying to clean up emissions too

1:27:29

, like , depending on the end application . And

1:27:31

yeah , a linear power

1:27:33

conversion is far better , but there , but there's

1:27:35

some limitations . So

1:27:38

if we just prioritize

1:27:40

that , you know we could probably solve a lot

1:27:42

of that . It's

1:27:45

really just acknowledging it . And then you know

1:27:47

, if you get enough smart people working on it , we

1:27:49

can find out solutions . But I think what you highlighted

1:27:52

there , that summary , is brilliant and

1:27:55

that's why you know people like you exist

1:27:57

. So if people do want

1:27:59

to reach out , keith , and get your

1:28:01

mitigation advice for building

1:28:03

a home for their current home , where

1:28:06

can people find you ? Because I feel like you

1:28:09

know it's such a valuable

1:28:11

knowledge set that you have and then you

1:28:13

also have , like this , hands on experience

1:28:16

of being able to find it and

1:28:18

folks , we can give you all of the advice

1:28:20

, the general tips , distance

1:28:23

, inverse square law , duration

1:28:25

, sleep sanctuary . But

1:28:27

every home , every

1:28:30

location is a different situation

1:28:33

, and that's why it's so important to have someone

1:28:35

like Keith come out in person

1:28:37

. And if he's not in your location

1:28:39

, I know he has a network of people he

1:28:42

recommends as well . So

1:28:45

, keith , where can they find you if they want to get in touch

1:28:47

?

1:28:48

Thanks , tristan , I appreciate it . The

1:28:50

website is emfremedycom

1:28:54

and I

1:28:57

also have a weekly podcast

1:28:59

that I produce and

1:29:01

it is called the emf

1:29:03

remedy podcast

1:29:05

and it's available

1:29:07

on apple , google , spotify , you know all

1:29:09

the usual places . And

1:29:13

I'm on YouTube at

1:29:16

EMF remedy and

1:29:19

then I um just have started

1:29:21

within the last couple of months . On sub

1:29:23

stack there's some writing . I

1:29:25

would really like to do so

1:29:28

. On sub stack it's

1:29:30

a Keith cutter . So those are

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the . Those are the best ways to

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uh to get in touch with me . Love to

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help you .

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Keith , thanks so much for coming on . This has been

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a blast . Um , yeah , we'll . We'll have

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to stay in touch and keep the discourse going

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on emf mitigation , and

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yeah , thanks so much for coming on and thanks

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everyone for tuning in .