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share something that you believe about

1:42

becoming successful that most people

1:45

disagree with. Was.

1:47

Over an Asian I would say.

1:50

Your. Something that that but I

1:52

believe is that the more successful

1:54

you but com. The. More

1:57

important it becomes ever

1:59

more. Horton it is for

2:01

You'd identify with what is driving

2:03

you. When. You don't

2:05

have much. it's actually. Fairly.

2:08

Easy for most people to get motivated

2:10

to do something about. It is when

2:12

you have much that it's so important

2:14

for you to keep working on, what

2:16

is driving you would rise. You impact.

2:19

What drives me is is impact. That's

2:21

what gives me significance. That's what makes

2:23

me feel good. It gives me a

2:25

voice. When I grew up in a

2:27

world where I. Wasn't. Allowed

2:30

to have a voice and so

2:32

me knowing that I make a

2:34

positive impact is is the thing

2:37

that drives me. Rain myself has

2:39

hung out a number of times

2:41

over the yes and every time.

2:44

it's very enjoy and we've also

2:46

both and recently launched books. Mind

2:48

the com Pass on some success

2:51

his time Money Freedoms Three things

2:53

that I know a lot of

2:56

people putting lots of value on

2:58

self. Talk to us

3:00

about this book or A and you

3:02

know, just from a fellow author, I'm

3:05

curious, like how did the title come

3:07

into being and then of course expound

3:09

into more details about the book. Yeah

3:12

for sure. And your we wrote this

3:14

out with a house or he

3:16

house has been amazing, A business partner

3:18

and an amazing publisher and you know

3:21

we. We. Really went back

3:23

and forth. We had a lot

3:25

of different working titles, but it

3:27

came down to time, money, freedom

3:30

of what. If people.

3:33

Were. Indoctrinated to possibility. That's

3:35

really what we all want. We

3:37

want time, money, freedom. We want

3:39

the ability to do what we

3:41

want. When we want with who

3:43

we want, we want to feel

3:45

like we're produce seen. And

3:48

we went have control of our time

3:50

And all of those reasons are what

3:53

led me to. Start

3:55

a business to leave the corporate world

3:57

you know. and so now as Canada

3:59

or. Origination of them have a

4:01

title. As far as the book

4:04

it's are me on My wife

4:06

and I guess we both wrote

4:08

it together. It's ten simple rules

4:10

to redefine what's possible and radically

4:12

reshape your life. Since I an

4:14

issue when she didn't go through

4:16

some of these ten rules to

4:18

transform your life. I also want

4:20

to start Re with your top

4:22

three teeth ways from this.i know

4:24

that there's a lots of value

4:26

in every one of these ten

4:28

rules. It's a subtle. Of the top

4:30

three, take away the gunfire. nice into

4:33

soon reads this gender about time, money

4:35

and freedom, what he wants and be

4:37

taken away for sure. The. The.

4:39

Three would be number one

4:41

that you can create a

4:43

great life despite a bad

4:45

past. And. I'm.

4:48

An example that you I was in

4:50

a very abusive home as a kid

4:52

on my parents had split my step

4:54

mom is very physically abusive or of

4:56

until the age of twelve I was.

4:59

Beaten in some way, shape or

5:01

form. Ah, everyday. And and

5:03

so and I also share a

5:06

lotta different stories in the book

5:08

of people who have overcome hardship

5:11

trauma everything from physical abuse, sexual

5:13

abuse, human trafficking. and so there's

5:15

the some pretty amazing stories that

5:18

really backs that concept up.

5:20

Number two is, if you've. Had

5:23

at. If you have a tough

5:25

pass, have you gone through some

5:27

tough times? You can really create

5:29

an inspiration. You can create hope

5:31

and and I think that that's

5:33

so. Important. For

5:36

us to feel significant as humans?

5:38

For us to feel like we're

5:40

making a difference. Yeah, I mentioned

5:42

that impact is what drives me

5:44

and so I look for what

5:47

are. What? Are they may

5:49

of a small hinges that move

5:51

the big doors of of impact

5:53

and for me the our main

5:55

target audience and who we mainly

5:57

coaching train as network marketers. And

6:00

the reason that resonates with me

6:02

so much is that you know

6:04

it is. Kind of who

6:06

a gateway drug some height for

6:08

entrepreneurs a lot of people get

6:10

started and network marketing that would

6:12

never launch a restaurant that would

6:14

never you know buy a franchise

6:16

that would never. Do.

6:19

A typical business by a goddamn in.

6:21

So I believe that know us focus

6:23

in on people who are just starting

6:25

a home business. or you know, just

6:28

dipping their toes. An entrepreneur water. We

6:30

can really move a lot of leavers

6:32

because I think business owners and entrepreneurs

6:35

are the backbone of of society. They

6:37

raised the most money for charity, they

6:39

do the most good Ace. He'll invent

6:41

things and and do stuff. The third

6:44

thing is that on with more money

6:46

you can do more good. And

6:49

this may sound obvious to

6:51

some bad. For. Lot of people.

6:53

That's not the case. You can only

6:55

donate so much of your time. You

6:57

can always serve at the soup kitchen.

7:00

So many days a week they have

7:02

a day we got bills to pay

7:04

right? We we have to make make

7:06

ends meet and so but with more

7:08

money you can do more good. Now

7:11

in society it is very popular to

7:13

demonize the millionaires and billionaires over whoever

7:15

is making money on and you can

7:17

lose sight of pay. The person that

7:19

you're generates money. The person that makes

7:22

money. Is able to give more, they're

7:24

able to provide jobs, they're able to

7:26

invest in research and development and so

7:28

he a with more money you can

7:31

do more good and that's a message

7:33

I think most people need to hear

7:35

because it's quite contrary to Hollywood. It's

7:38

quite contrary to the media and know

7:40

nowadays social media and so those would

7:42

be the three biggest take away from

7:45

the book by Onishi number one: a

7:47

bad past does not mean each troubled

7:49

Cgm just because you've had a tough

7:51

bastard doesn't. Mean you're going to have a

7:54

tough future. Insights and love how he slowed

7:56

this into the nestle in which is turn

7:58

us has times and impact. The have

8:00

ties into inspiration into motivation for others.

8:02

It's because guess what, if you've had

8:04

a really challenging struggling pass by, you've

8:06

got over it. Other people can as

8:09

well. And with more money you can

8:11

do more good. And I do love

8:13

the phrase that money can't buy happiness.

8:15

but the lack of money does cause

8:17

struggle to create a happy scenario because

8:19

you're always having to focus Fire Nation

8:21

on what am I doing right now

8:23

to put food in my mouth, the

8:25

bus shelter or for my head to

8:27

protect my loved ones. And we always.

8:30

In that says fight or flight is

8:32

that really is nearly the can You

8:34

can be truly happy and and he

8:36

rarely see also that you know have

8:38

money can't buy happiness I always say

8:40

well as some. People who

8:42

say that have probably never been able to

8:45

he and a blank check cause they believe

8:47

so deeply and because I can tell you

8:49

that's brought me a lot of happiness to

8:51

build you know now six schools and develop

8:53

our countries and to be able to support

8:56

the causes that I love and I know

8:58

that you support the cause of the you

9:00

believe in to rains that's such a huge

9:02

thing Fire Nation that you can hear in

9:04

some ways I to say still obligated to

9:07

find success, feel obligated to marry lot of

9:09

money does when you do that the news

9:11

and keep doing. What you're doing because

9:13

you're causing impact and you can afford

9:15

the lifestyle you you're creating. As a

9:18

result, he can keep spreading that inspiration

9:20

and joy and then hey, philanthropy can

9:22

be that next game for. You're seeing

9:24

a lot of people really double down

9:27

into that kind of stuff. So before

9:29

we move on or a like what

9:31

exactly was the thought process of time?

9:33

money, Freedom for the title. I mean

9:35

I know that we had discuss those

9:38

three words but had you settle on

9:40

that for the title. I'm a. Again,

9:42

it's just thinking of

9:44

what. What? What is

9:46

it that people really want and

9:49

and I'll tell you why I

9:51

tuned in to that? It's probably

9:53

a title that. You. Know. I

9:56

wouldn't have come up with a few

9:58

years ago, but. For. Sample I

10:00

went to i do some work

10:02

where foster care and are actually

10:04

here and as of this recording

10:06

couple weeks I'm M C and

10:08

a big gala were rates were

10:10

building a crisis house to help

10:12

your kids in that situation and

10:14

when I went to one of

10:16

the foster homes one of the

10:18

group of foster homes and me

10:21

and my friend that a doctor

10:23

who is a counsellor for foster

10:25

care we ask the kids see

10:27

what would make your life better

10:29

like what? what. Would be cool to

10:31

have here at the foster homes with

10:33

said that you want. No.

10:36

One could answer that. Like. The kids

10:38

could not. They literally know, like if I

10:40

ask my diner. Any minute of the

10:42

same as humans ice cream someone's Pokey

10:44

Mine she wants be good to see

10:46

what you like she will rattle off.

10:48

In fact is the minute I see

10:51

her when she wakes up she's issuing

10:53

orders of what she wants to long

10:55

as he comes home from school she's

10:57

telling me what she wants. He literally

10:59

tells me what he wants. Twenty prospects

11:01

and but these kids that you know

11:03

have been in tough situations are many

11:05

of the most of them I would

11:07

say I'm have been and horrifying situations

11:09

many of them unfortunately you know if

11:11

and have food and they're not getting

11:13

beaten and they're not see and mommy

11:15

all bruised up and cut up then

11:17

to them. Hey. We're doing good. And.

11:20

They'll have time to think about once.

11:22

And so I think a lot society

11:24

as like that. A thing law society

11:26

is your punched the clock. Not.

11:28

Think about possibility, not. think about. You

11:30

know what could my life be Bites

11:32

You know? I'm. just gonna keep

11:34

doing my routine of my keep showing up

11:37

even if i'm not happy with it and

11:39

so for me and wanted to spread the

11:41

possibility of of time money freedom have been

11:43

able to do what you want when you

11:46

want and down and so that's that's how

11:48

we game to it fire nation i mean

11:50

what an impact on story i mean i

11:52

love the reality of how regime to those

11:54

three words he ends when we get back

11:57

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11:59

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12:01

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So Ray, we're back and

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you wrote about 10 rules

14:10

to transform your life. I'm a big fan

14:12

of rules, I'm a big fan of systems,

14:14

I'm a big fan of automations. I mean,

14:17

I created the 17-step roadmap to financial freedom

14:19

and fulfillment. So we are really on the

14:21

same page here. Let's go

14:23

through a couple of these rules, take it away.

14:26

One of the biggest rules

14:28

that we've gotten feedback from since

14:30

we launched this book is

14:33

rule number two, which is called pluck

14:35

your weeds. Now, I think

14:38

some people in the self-development space, they hear

14:40

that and think, oh, get rid of

14:42

the negative people in my life, which,

14:45

hey, that could be part of it, but

14:48

it's bigger than that. Pluck your weeds

14:50

means that you identify who is it

14:52

that you want to be and

14:55

how do you want to show

14:57

up in life, in your family,

15:00

in your relationships, in your business

15:02

or whatever, and you

15:05

decide what areas are not congruent with who

15:07

I want to be. And

15:09

so I'll share a personal

15:12

example. My

15:15

wife and I, we're on a couple of

15:17

different boards for different charities. Usually,

15:20

well, they're all around kids. So

15:23

whether we're raising money for the Golisano

15:25

Children's Hospital or the March of Dimes

15:27

and the NICU or

15:30

with our foster care endeavors, but

15:32

we're on this charity board and

15:34

we're at a charity auction. And

15:37

one of our neighbors, our ex-neighbors, I should

15:40

say, came up to us and

15:42

said, hey, did you see the Belize trip?

15:45

And all of these trips are being auctioned for charity, right,

15:47

so it's a good cause. And we're

15:49

like, no, what's the Belize trip? And she

15:51

says, oh man, it's amazing. It's

15:54

five couples only. It's a private

15:56

jet on a private island, a

15:59

private jet. You board a

16:01

private yacht like everything's like, you know private

16:03

private and my wife is like, oh my

16:05

god Whoa, like she's blown away. She's super

16:08

excited me I'm

16:10

terrified and I think this

16:12

sounds like the worst idea ever and I Don't

16:16

I don't I don't voice it because I

16:18

don't want to be that guy but inside

16:20

I like get anxiety I like it stressed

16:23

out and I'm like what the hell's going

16:25

on here? And so driving

16:27

home I Figure you

16:29

know part of my brain is you

16:32

know what we we probably won't win

16:34

that auction. So no big deal but

16:37

the bigger part is What's

16:39

wrong with me? Why did I react that way

16:41

and That is not

16:43

congruent with who I want to be. I want

16:46

to be the most amazing husband ever I

16:48

want to be you know, someone who Recognizes

16:51

something cool because I know that I

16:53

should be excited about it But I

16:55

was I didn't like it. It just caused me stress.

16:58

And so I decided to pluck that weed now

17:01

this is you know a little different but I

17:04

Worked with one of my performance

17:06

coaches gentleman named Elliott Rowe Who

17:09

is amazing? I don't know if you've had him on your

17:12

show, but he's amazing and he's a

17:14

hypnotist he coaches some of the top players

17:16

in the MMA some of the top players

17:18

in the UFC and And

17:20

the World Series of poker believe it or not. And

17:23

so I asked him I'm like, hey, I'd like

17:25

to dive into this. Why did that stress me

17:27

the heck out? and he

17:29

put me in a hypnosis session and He

17:32

brought me to a part of my life that

17:34

I actually didn't even remember Which

17:37

was when I was in third grade when

17:39

I was in the third grade I had

17:41

a teacher that knew something wasn't right, you

17:44

know I was you know coming, you know

17:46

coming to school with you know bruises and

17:48

you know wearing a turtleneck because

17:50

I had scratches on my neck and you know

17:52

different things and She knew

17:55

that something was wrong. And one day she says hey, I'd

17:57

like you to meet with the guidance counselor and I'm like,

17:59

okay I don't know what's going on. I'm

18:01

like, okay, fine. And so that guidance

18:03

counselor started asking me

18:05

questions and you know, we would meet every

18:07

week and she would ask me different questions and

18:10

you know, I really started to trust her

18:13

and it felt good because I wasn't able

18:15

to talk to anybody. You know, I didn't

18:17

have many friends. I wasn't allowed

18:19

to go over to people's houses. And so

18:21

I shared with her. I shared with her

18:23

some of the things that were going on at home. And

18:26

you know, most of them

18:28

not very nice. You

18:30

know, one time when I wasn't feeling

18:32

good, I got

18:35

sick in my oatmeal and

18:38

when I refused to eat it after my stepmom was

18:40

trying to make me, she stabbed me in the chest.

18:43

And so, you know, not the

18:45

greatest, not the greatest times, right? And

18:48

so I share these things with the guidance counselor.

18:50

And one day I show

18:53

up to our weekly meeting and you

18:55

know, I always felt good after our meeting. So I'm looking

18:57

forward to it. And I walk into the meeting, I open

18:59

the door and there sits

19:01

my dad and my stepmom

19:04

and the guidance counselor. And she

19:06

proceeds to tell them every single

19:08

thing I've ever told her because

19:11

she simply thought they

19:14

were too outrageous to be true and

19:16

thought that I was just needing more attention.

19:20

Looking back, I know she meant

19:22

well. I know, you know, that that had to be the reason

19:24

I have to think that way. But that was a really, really

19:26

bad day. And that was the day in third grade

19:34

that Ray Higdon stopped trusting anybody.

19:36

And I mean anybody. So,

19:39

you know, John, like, you know, you and I,

19:41

we might speak at an event, but

19:43

you want to talk personally, I'm going to dip to my room. And

19:46

it's not because I'm better than you. It's not because

19:48

I have some big ego. It's actually because I had

19:52

in my subconscious that if

19:54

I get close to someone and I start to

19:56

trust them, they're going to betray me. They're going

19:58

to hurt me. And so my

20:01

trepidation about this amazing

20:04

Belize trip was, I'm

20:06

gonna have to spend five days with people and I

20:08

won't be able to escape and I'll have to let

20:10

them in and trust them. And so

20:13

that was the humongous

20:15

weed that I plucked. And

20:18

so I just don't, now that I

20:20

understand the machine behind

20:22

the habit, I no longer

20:24

have that anxiety. I'm no longer the

20:26

guy that goes to my wife, I say, are you

20:28

ready to leave when we're at a party? I'm

20:31

no longer the guy that tried to talk her out of going

20:33

to parties. I've actually

20:35

completely changed that part of my

20:37

personality because I took the time

20:39

to study it and pluck that weed.

20:42

Pluck your weeds. What

20:45

a story, Fire Nation. I know a lot of you are resonating

20:47

with that in different ways. We

20:50

all have different stories in our past and you're

20:52

resonating with that in a different way than I

20:54

am and that somebody else may be listening as

20:56

well. But at the same time, the message

20:59

is coming through. Pluck your weeds. And

21:01

that's just one Fire Nation of 10

21:03

rules that will transform

21:05

your life. So instead of

21:08

going into another one, Ray, let's just really

21:10

end with a bang right here. Talk

21:12

to us about what you really want

21:14

Fire Nation to know about everything that

21:17

we've talked about here today, about why

21:19

time, money, freedom needs to be

21:22

on their 2021 reading list and

21:24

then we'll say goodbye. The

21:26

final chapter, and I won't

21:29

do an overview, but I'll just give the title

21:31

here, is Make an Impact. And

21:34

I'll tell you a real quick story.

21:36

We ran a reality show called Play to Win

21:38

and we did two seasons of it. CNBC

21:41

looked at it, didn't pick it up.

21:43

That's okay, maybe in the future. And,

21:46

but there was several amazing things

21:48

that came out of it. And one of them was

21:50

a lady named Renee

21:52

Adams. And Renee Adams,

21:54

she was in our season one of Play

21:56

to Win and she had,

21:59

let's see. never done a

22:01

video, never spoken in public,

22:04

never shared her story. Renee

22:07

opened up, you know, we created the environment for

22:09

people to open up. She opened up and she

22:12

shared that she had been a victim of

22:15

physical abuse, sexual abuse, and even

22:17

trafficking as a kid. She

22:20

had been in and out of foster homes. She

22:22

had had foster parents abandon her, which

22:25

just sounds crazy, and literally

22:27

if you can think of a bad thing to happen to a kid, she

22:29

had that. But

22:32

she had never shared it. She was embarrassed. She

22:35

was shameful. She

22:37

had never shared it, and

22:39

here she was. I don't know her exact

22:41

age, but maybe early, late 40s, early 50s. And

22:45

so I told her after love and honor and giving her condolences and

22:47

everything, and we talk about her

22:49

in the book, I said, listen, you

22:51

have the opportunity to inspire a lot of people. There's

22:55

a lot of people out there that haven't gone

22:57

through half the stuff you have that are depressed.

23:00

Your story would inspire them to keep going. They would

23:02

inspire them to play bigger. And

23:04

I say that a lot. Some people take it.

23:06

Some people don't. Well, the

23:09

next week, she was speaking at a

23:11

center for abused women.

23:14

She had never shared her story publicly. And

23:18

then just about eight months ago, she

23:21

spoke at the 17th annual

23:23

International Conference Against Human Trafficking

23:25

for the University of Toledo

23:28

and shared her story in front of 19 countries. And

23:32

so I say that because, you

23:35

know, if you've been through trauma,

23:37

if you've been through some tough

23:39

stuff, I really

23:41

see it as your responsibility to go

23:43

out there and share that story and impact other people that

23:47

aren't as strong as you, that are

23:50

contemplating suicide, that are depressed, that have

23:52

let it ruin their entire life. And

23:54

so, you know, that's one of the reasons I

23:56

share some of my tough stuff. You know, we

23:59

didn't really get into... business much, but there

24:01

is a lot of business in the actual

24:03

book of making money and you know what

24:05

we did to generate over thirty million dollars

24:07

online from losing it all in the real

24:09

estate crash and being in foreclosure. So we

24:12

do share that stuff but the big

24:14

message is hey you know just because

24:16

at one point you know you were

24:19

broken doesn't mean you have to

24:21

stay that way. You can inspire a lot of

24:23

people and I hope that you do. Fire Nation,

24:25

I like that way of putting it, that you

24:27

have a responsibility, that you have an obligation to

24:30

share because you just don't know how it's going

24:32

to positively impact other people. I mean you

24:34

know thinking back in 2012 when you

24:37

know this really clueless,

24:40

immature, naive podcast host named

24:42

Johnny Dumas launched a podcast

24:44

stuttering around interviewing you

24:47

know some unbelievably successful entrepreneurs.

24:49

I then get emails literally later

24:51

that year of people

24:54

saying this podcast saved

24:56

my life and it wasn't like I was

24:58

great. I was actually not great. I was

25:00

bad but it was because I was

25:02

bringing people on that were telling stories and those

25:04

stories were impacting the right people at the right

25:06

time. I was just a conduit. I

25:08

was just hosting the platform and to get

25:11

those emails and being like what if I hadn't

25:13

launched this podcast and it was like literally was

25:15

a question of mine and so you never know

25:17

Fire Nation the impact you're going to have and

25:20

that was in year one. Now I'm in year

25:22

ten, three thousand episodes, a hundred million listens so

25:25

you never never know. So

25:27

Ray take us home. How can Fire Nation pick up

25:30

this book? Where do you want them to go? Anything

25:32

else before we say goodbye? Yeah and we you know

25:34

we have it on

25:36

Kindle and Audible in our

25:38

voices and

25:40

of course the physical

25:43

copy on Amazon. The

25:45

easiest is tmfbook.com. That

25:47

stands obviously for Time,

25:49

Money, Freedom, book.com. So

25:52

tmfbook.com and you know

25:54

sometimes you know a group

25:56

leader or a you know someone who

25:58

you know has a close circle

26:00

of people wants to buy multiple copies. We

26:02

do have bonuses and cool stuff on there.

26:05

Um, if that's you and uh, but

26:07

it's at T M F book.com and uh,

26:09

John, thank you for inspiring me to start

26:11

my podcast so many years ago and just

26:14

appreciate all that you do. I love it.

26:16

And it's that ripple effects fire nation. It

26:18

literally never ends when it starts. T

26:21

M F book.com that's

26:23

T M F book.com.

26:26

Fire nation to the

26:28

average of the five people you spend the most time with

26:30

and hello, you've been hanging out with our H and J

26:32

L D today. So let's keep up that

26:34

heat. Head over to eelfire.com type array in

26:36

the search bar. This is not the first

26:38

episode of entrepreneurs on fire. He's been on.

26:40

So listen to the other ones. They were

26:43

all immensely valuable

26:45

and Ray, thank you brother for sharing

26:48

your truth, your knowledge, your value bombs

26:50

with fire nation today. For that we

26:52

salute you and we'll catch you on

26:54

the flip side. Thanks so much. Hey,

26:56

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