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I'd front next Ukraine making gains on the
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front lines as Putin faces fury
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from his own people. A rush and opening
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fire on a commander, another throwing molotov
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cocktails in a recruiting station, lines
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to leave Russia growing even longer
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tonight, plus exclusive. One
0:17
of the Americans just freed after being held
0:19
by Russian backed forces in Ukraine. In
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his first television interview, along with his
0:24
fiancee, right here tonight out front.
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And just minutes from now, and now a spacecraft crashing
0:28
into an asteroid. You're going to see it here
0:30
live. Let's go out front.
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And good evening. I'm Aaron Burnett. OUTFRONT
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TONIGHT UP IN FLAMES. UCCRAINE TAKING
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OUT CRUCIAL RUSSIAN ARTILARY AS
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IT PUSHES RUSSIAN FORCES FURTHER BACK
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INTO RETREET. This is new video
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from Ukraine's military. The aerosol
0:47
taking out five Russian vehicles, including
0:49
a tank. And we are also getting graphic new
0:51
video of Ukraine's counteroffensive. We
0:53
are told that this video that we're showing
0:55
you now is from eastern Ukraine.
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You can see the road here absolutely
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littered with burnt out tanks. AND
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BODIES OF WHAT APPEAR TO BE Russian
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SOLDIERS. UKRAIN'S PUNISHING
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PUSHBACK COSTING PUTIN AT HOME POSSIBLE
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THREATENING THE ONE THING HE CARES ABOUT MOST
1:12
his power. The outrage over his
1:14
decision to summon at least at least
1:16
three hundred thousand more troops to fight
1:19
is now turning to violence inside
1:21
Russia. Let me show you this video. This
1:23
is from the Vogo GRAD Region, showing
1:25
a man backing his car up against the front
1:27
doors of a mobilization center.
1:29
Then you see him get out and throw what appears
1:31
to be molotov cocktails at the building,
1:34
burning it down. And in Siberia,
1:36
a Russian man opening fire at a military
1:38
recruiting station injuring a commander.
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These are clear indications that some citizens
1:43
in Russia are turning on Putin.
1:46
They don't want to fight this war. OVER
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THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS, WE HAVE SEEN MORE AND MORE VIDEO
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OF PROTESTS ACTUALLY EVEN TURNING VIOLENT
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ACROSS RUSSIA. AND ON THE RUSSIAN BORDERS
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AN UNPRECEDENTED SITE, mass
1:57
exodus. The lines of traffic are
1:59
so long. This
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is satellite image you're looking at right now.
2:02
Satellite image. Look at that line of traffic sneaking
2:04
across your screen. Russians are lined
2:06
up in this image for nearly ten
2:08
miles. Ten miles waiting
2:11
to enter Georgia. And once they
2:13
actually get to the border,
2:15
Look what happens? Look at that. Sea
2:17
of young men, men, almost
2:19
all of them. Every single one lined
2:21
up waiting to
2:22
escape Putin's Russia.
2:23
According to the State Department, they
2:26
say it's assigned Putin's in trouble.
2:29
These actions from president Putin
2:31
signaled very signaled very clearly. that
2:33
he knows he is losing. He's on his
2:35
back heels. And he's making every attempt
2:37
to intimidate those who would stand up to
2:39
him.
2:40
he's saying on his back heels regarding
2:43
Putin, but that, of course, could also make the Russian
2:45
president incredibly dangerous. The secretary
2:47
of state, Anthony Blinken, says there may be no
2:49
one in Russia show right now who was willing
2:51
to stand up to Putin and say
2:53
no, tell him not to use nuclear
2:56
weapons. And Ukraine's president,
2:58
says that Putin may be closer than
3:00
ever to ordering a nuclear strike.
3:03
Maybe yesterday it
3:05
was bluff. NOW IT COULD
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BE A REALITY. I
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DON'T THINK HE'S BLOUGHING.
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Reporter:
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Ben WIDeman BEGINS OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT
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OUTFRONT LIVE IN CAUCRAINE Ben
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Putin's war taking a dramatic turn at
3:19
home. Those images are unforgettable. Those lines
3:21
of people rushing to escape the violence at
3:23
home. He's now trying to control more Ukrainian
3:26
territory where you are through sham referendums
3:28
that I understand will be finished as
3:30
much as one can use that word, quote unquote, in
3:33
mere hours.
3:35
Yeah. They'll be finished tomorrow. There
3:38
will be in person voting, but
3:40
the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
3:43
This is a sham referendum and
3:46
the result will be a sham as well.
3:48
but it will result in the Russians
3:50
declaring that this territory is
3:53
officially part of the motherland, part
3:55
of Russia. But what
3:57
we're seeing is that the Ukrainians are
3:59
continuing to gain more
4:01
territory, for instance, in the Donetsk
4:03
region, where the Russians in
4:06
their the Russian controlled parts of
4:08
Dunlietz are conducting
4:10
this referendum, Ukrainians are
4:12
taking more ground. And then here in the HUD a
4:15
key region. Today, we were
4:17
in a town that was just taken on
4:19
Saturday evening. There's
4:21
still many Russian
4:23
soldiers dead in the
4:25
street in that town, lots
4:27
of armor as well. And
4:29
while we were there, we were there for about an hour
4:31
and a half all we heard
4:34
was outgoing fire from
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Ukrainian artillery. The
4:38
commanders there told us that
4:40
the Russians they had captured were completely
4:42
demoralized. They complained
4:45
of poor equipment, poor
4:47
food, poor command
4:49
and control, poor logistics.
4:52
And the Russians have already been
4:54
pushed back from that town about
4:57
fifteen kilometers of ten miles
4:59
or so. So the Ukrainians
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continued to gain more
5:03
ground despite these sham referendum
5:06
that you're going on in other parts
5:08
of the country. Aaron? Alright.
5:09
Thank you very much, Ben. pretty
5:12
incredible to see, to go to a town, a place
5:14
like that, to see all the weapons left behind.
5:16
And as Ben reports,
5:17
ah
5:18
still dead Russians in the streets. I
5:21
wanna bring in Andres Soltetov, a Russian
5:23
investigative journalist who specializes in
5:25
Russia's intelligence services and
5:27
retired air force colonel Cedric
5:29
Layton. Thanks to both of you. So, Andre, you
5:31
know, you hear about that. It's just very sobering
5:33
and we cannot lose you
5:35
know, feeling here for the value of human life.
5:37
You know, soldiers still dead in the streets as
5:39
the Ukrainians are advancing. You
5:42
heard Ben talk about the demoralization. that
5:44
the Russian troops are reporting, and those are the
5:46
troops on the front lines. We saw those images
5:48
of protests and act of violence in
5:50
response to Putin's mobilization order
5:53
at home. But when I say at home
5:55
and I'll show you on the map, these
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are happening far away from major cities
5:59
like Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Right? They're happening
6:01
in in much more provincial capitals. So,
6:03
Andre, does that mean anything?
6:05
Does that mean Putin is safe from true unrest
6:07
or a coup because we're not seeing this in
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Moscow? Well,
6:11
it is a big problem for Volgibil
6:14
Putin because these regions tend
6:16
to be especially in the beginning of
6:18
the war. Why the enthusiastic about the
6:20
war. Dagestan is a
6:22
very hard place to leave. And
6:24
while the military was one
6:26
of the jobs are lots of mail
6:29
of of mail in this region. We're
6:32
willing to to take. And in
6:34
the beginning of the war, we were happy to go
6:36
to the war. But now they understood
6:38
that it's it's not just some sort
6:40
of adventure. And look
6:42
at this, women, they
6:44
are so angry because they
6:47
finally realized that while
6:49
they they are relatively
6:51
sound sorry. foggles could
6:53
be killed. And that is
6:55
why it's so dangerous because that gets down
6:58
while it's been down for
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years, if not for decades, has a very
7:03
troubled place in in Russia, genius.
7:05
Lots of ThermoDox wear and lots of things.
7:07
Yes, absolutely. So, Colonel,
7:09
when you see the images that Ben had in that
7:11
town of the Russian military equipment, right?
7:13
This has happened throughout the war, but it
7:15
seems now and obviously I'm going
7:17
this off of pictures and reports, but it
7:19
seems that there's been even an increase in the Russian
7:21
military equipment that has been destroyed or
7:23
that the Ukrainians have success taken
7:25
from the battlefield. Today, a Russian tank
7:27
unit was wiped out in Eastern Ukraine, and these
7:29
are the images I'm showing right now. And
7:32
then we're also hearing about these reports
7:34
of poor antiquated rusty
7:36
equipment being given to Russian
7:38
soldiers both on the front and these mobilized
7:40
troops. We can't confirm this video
7:42
from a Ukrainian official independently, but
7:44
look at this rusty Kalishnikov that
7:46
they say is what's being handed out now to these
7:48
Russian conscripts and this mobilization. KARNA,
7:51
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE TRUE STATE OF RUSSIA'S
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MILITARY EQUIPMENT?
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IT'S PRETTY CLEAR Aaron THAT THE
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RUSSIAN MILITARY EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE GIVING TO
7:59
FRONTLINE SOLDIERS
7:59
IS completely inadequate for the job.
8:02
And just from a pure logistical standpoint,
8:05
this is one of the worst equipped
8:07
armies that I've ever laid eyes on.
8:09
It is something that is really
8:12
incredible to behold when you see
8:14
a whole battalion going
8:16
through this whole platoon at the
8:18
lowest tactical level, really
8:20
not making it because the equipment that they were
8:22
given is completely useless.
8:24
And the Ukrainians are basically
8:27
making men's speed out of them because not
8:29
only do they have bad morale, but they can't
8:31
fight back. So, Andre,
8:33
you're talking about how you think what we're seeing in
8:35
the provinces could be a great threat. And I know you
8:37
believe the next two weeks in this war are
8:39
crucial. Edward Snowden,
8:41
everyone knows his name, the one who gained
8:43
notoriety for leaking information about
8:45
American surveillance programs today.
8:47
We find out today, right after years of
8:49
living there, he's now formally granted
8:51
Russian citizenship. It took
8:53
him two years to get it. It happened today
8:55
in the midst of all of this. Why
8:58
do you think that happened now? And
9:00
what happens in these next two weeks?
9:02
Well, it looks like the Kremlin is getting
9:04
very desperate with if
9:06
there's a narrative there, they are
9:08
getting and they want to change it. They
9:10
wanted to promote these image that
9:12
Russia is still a country
9:14
where you want
9:16
to live and even
9:18
go to live. And of course, it doesn't
9:21
work. We already have lots of
9:23
of my competitors talking
9:25
about and joking about
9:27
snow then. who should be
9:29
drafted into the Russian army and to to
9:31
the battlefield. So it backfired
9:33
immediately. And
9:33
and and and and and and in these
9:36
next two weeks, does is this how
9:38
crucial is this for Putin and his grasp on
9:40
power? Well, the
9:40
problem is that lots of people in
9:43
Russia now are expected that tomorrow
9:45
there might be some decision of
9:48
closing the borders after the referendum.
9:50
And that might provoke
9:53
big eyebrows just imagine all
9:55
these men standing in
9:57
this alliance and waiting to
9:59
cross border. And if somebody
10:01
would tell them that now there is no
10:03
way into Georgia or Kazakhstan, what
10:05
could happen? So lots of people
10:07
are just uncertain about the
10:09
future. But in two weeks, it would be
10:11
quite clear. Beach
10:15
and which size is is a region
10:17
because of course, this mobilization is
10:19
also a great intimidation tool. Nobody is
10:21
safe. At the same time, lots of
10:23
people are really, really angry. Alright.
10:25
Well, thank you very much, Andre. I appreciate
10:28
it. Colonel, please stay with me because our
10:30
next story here is something I know you know a
10:32
lot about. We are monitoring a live
10:34
situation right now. It's actually a major collision
10:36
in space. So let me tell you about it. This is a live image
10:38
on your screen. NASA is about to
10:40
intentionally crash a
10:42
spacecraft into an asteroid and they're gonna do it
10:44
right here on live television and literally we're
10:46
here in the last minute. The asteroid named
10:48
dimorphous you're looking out on your screen.
10:50
The spacecraft is NASA's double
10:52
asteroid redirection test
10:54
spacecraft. That's a lot, call
10:56
it dark. Now, dimorphos poses no threat
10:58
to earth tonight, but the goal for NASA is to
11:00
see if they can push the asteroid off
11:02
course. So it's something they could do in the future to
11:04
prevent earth from armageddon. It is the
11:06
first time NASA is attempting a test like
11:08
this. So let's go straight to Kristen
11:10
Fisher at Johns Hopkins Applied Physics
11:12
Lab. She's in Maryland where Mission Control
11:14
is. C Colonel Layton also is with me because
11:16
he's worked closely with NASA
11:18
on and has a good understanding here
11:20
of this situation. So Kristen, we've
11:22
got this live image on the screen. You're
11:24
there in the control room. This
11:26
is a first and unprecedented event.
11:28
Tell us what we're looking
11:29
at. Well, Erin,
11:33
we are now exactly two minutes and
11:35
fifty eight seconds to impact. And what you're
11:37
seeing right now on your screen is
11:39
all live images from a camera that is
11:41
mounted on the dart
11:43
spacecraft. And for an a mission, this
11:45
this complicated and consequential,
11:47
what's about to happen is actually quite
11:49
simple. NASA is going to take
11:51
this multimillion dollar spacecraft
11:53
and just slam it into an
11:55
asteroid, not the asteroid
11:58
biggest one right in front of you on your screen. That
12:00
big asteroid at the center of your
12:02
screen just to the left, that is ditimos.
12:04
That is what the dark spacecraft has
12:06
been targeting for the better part of ten
12:08
months while it's been in space.
12:11
Its target is that smaller
12:13
asteroid demorphous. And
12:15
so this spacecraft is
12:17
traveling at a speed of four
12:19
miles per second, not per
12:21
hour. Four miles per
12:23
second. That's about fourteen thousand miles
12:25
per hour. And, Erin, it is
12:27
going to, in two minutes,
12:29
slam into that smaller asteroid on
12:31
the right to more this. You're gonna watch
12:33
as it fills your screen. And
12:35
then when it hits, it's just gonna
12:37
go black. Complete loss of signal. One
12:39
of the only times that you're gonna see
12:41
a NASA mission control room,
12:44
hopefully cheer at the destruction of a
12:46
spacecraft and the loss of signal
12:48
air. Right. Right. To have something go to black, the
12:50
last you would want any ordinary mission, but this is no
12:52
ordinary mission, colonel. So -- Right. -- Kristen,
12:54
explaining, so we're looking at the smaller dot
12:56
there. That is Zymorphous. I
12:58
guess, these these two asteroids sort of go together.
13:00
Dymorphous is the one it's gonna slam into.
13:02
It's about the size I understand Colonel of
13:04
Egypt's great pyramid. that
13:06
spacecraft is equivalent to the size of a
13:08
refrigerator. And you're in the vast vacuum
13:10
of space here. How
13:12
is NASA? I mean, how amazing is
13:14
it COULD PULL THIS OFF? Reporter: WELL,
13:16
THIS IS INCREDIALLY AMAZING. THIS IS REALLY
13:18
THE FIRST TIME, Aaron, THAT WE
13:20
ARE USING THINGS THAT WE'VE
13:22
TALKED ABOUT IN SCIENCE FICTION. you
13:25
know, things that we see in movies
13:27
and in the TV series that
13:29
is truly designed
13:31
to protect the environment and
13:33
the planet itself. you know, you
13:35
go back to the time of the dinosaurs
13:37
and you the theory
13:39
is that the dinosaurs were made extinct.
13:41
because of an asteroid or a series of
13:44
asteroids hitting the earth, there was a
13:46
case in Russia in the
13:48
early late eight nineteenth
13:50
century, early twentieth century, where
13:52
we actually had an asteroid
13:54
hit Siberia that resulted in
13:56
a lot of destruction of territory.
13:59
They are luckily not very populated
14:01
territory, but still the danger is
14:03
definitely there. And it's something
14:05
that even though the probability is
14:07
low, is one of those low probability, high
14:09
impact things that could
14:11
happen. So with this
14:13
experiment, we're looking
14:15
at NASA potentially being
14:17
able to protect
14:19
our planet from asteroids of the
14:21
future.
14:21
And we're watching here as the
14:24
spacecraft dart approaches
14:27
diorphous. You can see it getting closer and closer. We're
14:29
here just in the final few seconds.
14:31
fourteen thousand miles an hour is what
14:33
you're watching. camera that we're watching is traveling
14:35
fourteen thousand miles an hour. On
14:38
on dart, the the spacecraft, the
14:40
refrigerator sized spacecraft that's going to slam
14:42
into dimorphous here. We're just literally
14:44
a few seconds away. So I
14:46
understand, Kristen, as it gets closer, we're just
14:48
gonna see it get closer and closer, and
14:50
then literally I kinda hear a lot of talking
14:52
behind you. We're gonna just hear an exceed
14:54
explosion then it'll go to black. It's
14:56
amazing, guys. I That's
14:58
right, Erin. It's gonna happen any second now,
15:00
and we're gonna see big chairs go up
15:02
in the mission control, which is right
15:04
here. Yeah. You just got some other folks
15:07
here cheering, but this is at the moment.
15:09
Dark hitting the De Morpheus asteroid.
15:12
Right now, wow, look at
15:14
the deep tail that you can see. It is amazing. It
15:16
looks like a So those are
15:18
rocks on the surface of
15:20
De Morpheus of some kind. Big
15:22
cheers going up here inside the
15:24
John Hopkins Applied Physics
15:26
Laboratory here and you just think about how much time
15:28
and energy the people in
15:30
this
15:30
room have how how much
15:32
time and effort they put into this
15:35
being a success. And there, I think
15:37
you can see the crowd cheering
15:39
down in mission control. We'd probably
15:42
the only time that you're gonna cheer for a
15:44
loss of a spacecraft, Erin.
15:45
Oh, and we have In
15:50
the name of planetary defense.
15:53
And
15:53
the name of planetary defense. And now
15:55
I okay. pretty amazing to see it.
15:57
I mean, that sounds like the room, obviously,
16:00
celebration in that room. I mean, talk
16:02
about threading a needle, Kristen. I mean, you
16:04
just said, you're talking about that they just
16:06
sent from Earth, an object the
16:08
size of a refrigerator into an object,
16:10
the size of the great pyramid. In the
16:12
middle of space, at
16:14
fourteen thousand miles an hour, and they
16:16
and they hit it. It's
16:18
unbelievable. So now, Erin, the
16:21
next big challenge NASA has
16:23
completed its first big objective. They've proven that
16:25
they can do this. They've proven that they can
16:27
take this spacecraft and slam it into an
16:29
asteroid. Now the big question
16:31
is, Were they able to successfully
16:34
move this asteroid off
16:36
its current orbit? They're not trying to move it
16:38
by a lot. This asteroid is
16:40
not gonna blow into a million pieces like you
16:42
saw in Armageddon. All they're trying to
16:44
do, Erin, is move it just slightly
16:46
off its orbit so that If this
16:48
were to happen in the future where there were
16:51
an asteroid that was potentially
16:53
gonna wipe out all of life as we know
16:55
it on planet Earth, could they do
16:57
this far enough a bit in advance
16:59
and not this potentially killer
17:01
asteroid off orbit and save the
17:03
planet? I mean, that's truly the
17:05
technology that they are testing here. And so it's
17:07
gonna take a few weeks before we know
17:09
if they've successfully completed that
17:11
objective. They do it by
17:13
using ground based telescopes that can actually
17:16
see the orbit of that
17:18
asteroid, see if they were able to push
17:20
it off course. But tonight, I
17:22
mean, you see these celebrations going on in
17:24
mission control. Just a
17:26
a big moment for this team proving
17:28
that NASA's first planetary defense
17:31
test emission is at least
17:33
fifty percent a big success.
17:35
And and, Colonel, just to be clear here, if you had
17:37
an asteroid about five times bigger
17:39
than this one relative to It could
17:41
destroy civilization as we know it. Right? I
17:43
mean, so the the the what's at stake
17:45
here is incredibly serious.
17:47
if this works, right, in terms
17:49
of preserving civilization.
17:50
Absolutely, Aaron. And the key thing
17:53
here to remember is that These
17:55
types of asteroids, you know,
17:57
can come in various sizes. They
17:59
can
17:59
pose various types of threats
18:02
to the planet. And by
18:04
doing this test, what NASA has
18:06
been able to do is they've been able to
18:08
show, as we've seen just
18:10
tonight, they've been able to show can
18:12
actually do something that potentially
18:15
can alter the track as Kristen was
18:17
mentioning the orbit of these
18:19
asteroids. And if they can do that, to
18:21
get the angles right, if they get everything in,
18:23
to make it work, that could
18:25
potentially save life as we know it. Yeah. And
18:27
good for them to have a victory after
18:29
all lays and have been happening on Artemis. Alright. Thank
18:32
you both very much. I appreciate it.
18:34
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18:36
Roger Stone calling for violence on the
18:38
day before VOTERS WENT TO THE POLLS IN
18:40
twenty twenty THE DAY BEFORE CALLING FOR
18:42
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18:44
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18:46
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18:48
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18:50
fiancee, Joy Black. You've met her many
18:52
times on the show. How does
18:54
it feel to be reunited? they're
18:56
my guests. And CNN talks to one man who
18:58
was on the inside of governor Rhonda Santos'
19:01
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Tonight,
20:12
CNN obtaining
20:14
video Trump ally, Roger
20:16
Stone, that have been handed over to the
20:18
January sixth committee. And what they
20:21
show here is Stone talking about claiming
20:23
victory and getting, quote, right
20:25
to the violence. That's a quote. And
20:27
that was just days before the
20:29
twenty twenty election.
20:31
Excellent. The
20:34
violett. The violetti.
20:36
Let's get right through the violetti.
20:39
right to it. Shoot
20:41
to
20:42
kill. CCNNT5
20:44
Shoot to kill. Come. Done
20:46
with his motion. Shoot
20:50
to kill
20:50
f the voting. Evan
20:52
Perez is out front. Well,
20:54
Evan, I mean, he said it. It's a pretty you know,
20:56
there's no there's no ambiguity there, and
20:58
this footage is expected to be part of the
21:00
January sixth committee hearing on Wednesday.
21:03
What more can you tell me?
21:05
Well, Erin, as you said,
21:07
this is a hearing that
21:09
is expected to focus
21:11
on the extremist that played a role in
21:13
the in the the violence on
21:16
January sixth. And as you can tell,
21:18
even days before the
21:20
election, Roger Stone was already sort
21:22
of laying the groundwork for this idea that
21:24
Donald Trump won the election even
21:26
without seeing the results. Take a listen.
21:29
Let's
21:30
just hope we're celebrating.
21:32
I suspect it'll be I
21:34
really do suspect it'll still be up in the
21:37
air. When that happens, the key thing to do
21:39
is to claim victory. As action is
21:41
nine tenths of law, no. We want I'm sorry.
21:43
Over. We want Yeah. You're wrong.
21:46
you. ABC always.
21:48
And, Aaron, we get it get we did get a
21:51
statement from Roger Stone. I'll read
21:53
you all of it here. It says that I challenged
21:55
the accuracy and the authenticity
21:57
of these videos and believe that they've
21:59
been manipulated and selectively
22:01
edited. I also point out that the
22:03
filmmakers do not have the legal right to
22:05
use them how ironic
22:07
that Kim Kardashian and I are both
22:09
subjected to computer manipulated
22:11
videos on the same day
22:13
the excerpts you provided below
22:15
proved nothing. Certainly, they
22:17
do not prove that I had anything to do
22:19
with the events. of January sixth.
22:21
That being said, it clearly shows I
22:24
advocated for lawful, congressional,
22:26
and judicial options. I'm not
22:29
sure what Roger Stone is talking about with the Kim Kardashian.
22:31
I actually googled this and I couldn't find
22:33
everything Aaron. Yeah. But, you
22:35
know, we we expect that his
22:37
association with the Proud Boys and these other
22:39
groups is gonna be a major focus of
22:41
the hearing that's coming up.
22:42
Alright, Evan Press. Thank you
22:44
very much. So John Dean's with me now, the
22:46
former Nixon White House Council here actually with me
22:48
on set tonight. And Stephanie Grisham is back,
22:50
former Trump White House Press Secretary
22:52
Terry. So, so glad to have both of you on
22:54
this, John. Let me start with you because you're with
22:57
me. I'm clear what that statement
22:59
is the Roger Stone just put out but
23:01
nonetheless -- And I'm clear. -- he did say
23:04
f the voting, let's get right
23:06
to the violence. So whatever else he may or may not
23:08
have said around it, he said those
23:10
things. what's your reaction to this? Well, his
23:11
response is terribly weak.
23:13
Somebody manipulated the video and
23:16
the sound. he's
23:18
clearly been caught in
23:21
some context. We don't have the full
23:23
story. We may never get
23:25
the full story from Roger. fair.
23:27
Well, I
23:27
mean, and and that that's probably true. Stephanie,
23:31
I wanna play another clip from the week
23:33
after January sixth. this where
23:35
Stone criticises the White House Council's office. He says
23:37
the White House Council said told
23:39
Trump that Trump could not preemptively
23:42
pardon Stone for
23:44
his role in any efforts to
23:46
overturn the election, let me play that
23:48
part.
23:49
Has it been pitched to the
23:51
president? Yes, it has. I
23:53
believe the president's for it. The obstacles are
23:56
these are these Lilly lippered,
23:59
weak need, bureaucrats in
24:02
the White House Council's office, and now they
24:04
must be crushed because they've told
24:06
the president something that's not
24:08
true. I
24:09
mean, Stephanie, it's just, you know,
24:12
lily livid. They
24:14
have to be crushed. Let's get right to the violence,
24:16
f, the voting. I mean, Is this just a
24:18
guy who wants everybody to think he's just really cool
24:20
and this crowd that he's rolling with or is
24:22
this something bigger you have a better sense
24:24
of the man
24:26
than many? Well, you know,
24:26
I actually didn't know. Roger Stone
24:29
that that well. And usually on your your
24:31
show, I say this didn't surprise me.
24:33
That actually me to hear
24:35
him say, f the voting and and where's
24:37
the violence? Or let's get to the
24:39
violence? You know, I think the thing
24:41
got me, first of all, in the first video, was
24:43
him saying a possession is
24:45
nine tensed a lot. We'll just say we
24:47
won. That was how our
24:49
White House worked. You just set
24:51
it whether it was about COVID
24:54
or the border wall and how much was built.
24:56
You just set it. It didn't matter if it was true.
24:58
You just set it over and over and
25:00
over again. until your supporters believed it. Now that last
25:02
part, that sounded to me like Donald
25:04
Trump. He would get so angry
25:06
at our White House counsel if
25:09
him sound, solid
25:11
legal advice, and he would call them
25:13
weak, empathetic, and constantly say, why don't
25:15
I have strong lawyers? So that really was
25:17
reminiscent to me of Donald Trump. And so
25:19
that sounds actually bolstering the
25:21
reality of what of what Roger
25:24
Stone said. Now John, this comes on the same day that the White House
25:26
chief of staff, the former White House chief of staff
25:28
Mark Meadows. His name comes up again. Look,
25:30
we know he's central to this. We really haven't heard
25:32
from a lot lately. So we don't know
25:34
whether he's cooperating or what, but his importance.
25:36
We already knew it was there. He's getting bigger and
25:38
bigger. So we have text messages now at
25:40
CNN that shows that Meadows was
25:42
briefed by a man named Phil Waldron. Phil
25:45
Waldron was important. He was an operative who was trying
25:47
to gain access to voting machines and
25:49
voting systems in battleground states.
25:51
Waldron, Texas Meadows, right after the election,
25:53
after an Arizona judge dismissed the lawsuits,
25:55
so they lost in court. He says we'll
25:57
focus on Georgia, but that was
25:59
our lead domino that we were counting on to start the cascade.
26:02
Meadows replies pathetic.
26:04
Now,
26:04
perhaps in that exchange,
26:07
you now see direct direct communication
26:09
between the chief of staff and this man. How much trouble
26:11
do you think Meadows is in?
26:12
Well, Fannie Willis and Georgia may
26:15
be very in that Maybe
26:17
the feds won't be interested. I think
26:19
they're just generally interested in
26:21
Mark Meadows. Something happened,
26:24
Aaron. he was held in
26:26
contempt by the January sixth
26:28
committee. He has never been
26:30
prosecuted for that. There's a reason
26:32
for that. He not only does have a good
26:34
lawyer. He's got a lot of
26:36
information. So you're in cooperation.
26:38
It's it's early in the story.
26:40
Yes.
26:40
Well, that's and that's significant, Stephanie, because
26:42
you know Meadows well from your time in
26:44
the White House. How much do you think
26:46
he is cooperating with investigators? Do you
26:48
think that's right? I do. I
26:50
would agree with John on that. I
26:52
would say number one, Mark Meadows is always
26:54
gonna look out for number one, and so
26:56
I he's probably cooperating. He has just
26:59
disappeared. But I actually wanna take a step
27:01
back and say, I hope he
27:02
is cooperating.
27:03
And look, you know, there
27:05
is
27:05
no law of loss between Mark Meadows and
27:07
I, probably, we will never ever get
27:09
along, but there's
27:10
never a, you know, bad time to
27:12
do the right thing. And so I hope he is taking and
27:15
this is for the country. It's not about
27:17
saving your own behind. It's
27:19
not being loyal to Donald Trump anymore. I
27:21
hope that if he's watching this
27:23
I can say to you, Mark, this is about the country
27:25
and just doing the right thing. We all
27:27
got sucked into it and
27:29
you could really play a vital role
27:31
in showing the country who that
27:33
man was and what really really happened
27:35
on that day. Alright.
27:37
Stephanie, thank you very much, John Dean. So
27:39
nice to see you in person. Thank you.
27:41
Alright. Thanks both. And next, an
27:43
out front exclusive. I'm gonna speak to
27:45
Andy Tiena Quinn. He has just been released
27:47
after being inhaled captive in Ukraine
27:50
for more than one hundred days.
27:52
Andy and his fiancee Joy Black are together
27:54
and they are joining us first
27:56
interview next. I'm happy just to even see
27:58
them here. Plus, we take you
27:59
inside Florida Governor Ron DeSantis'
28:02
operation to fly migrants from Texas
28:04
to Martha Vineyard. A migrant who
28:06
was a key player there speaking
28:08
exclusively to CNN. You'll
28:10
want to hear what he has
28:12
to say.
28:15
TONIGHT
28:15
BACK HOME AFTER BEING HEALTH
28:17
CAPTIVE BY RUSSIAN BACKED FOR MORE
28:19
THAN one hundred DAYS Forty year old
28:21
Alex Druke and twenty seven year
28:23
old Andy Tyna Quinn are back in their
28:25
home state of Alabama. Freed after
28:27
a prisoner swap with Ukraine just
28:30
days ago. and you can
28:30
see them going to the airport after
28:33
being released finally for the first
28:35
time seeing those that they loved after a
28:37
hundred days so there
28:39
were times they didn't know if they ever would reuniting. They have
28:41
been undergoing medical checks, reuniting
28:43
with friends and family, They
28:45
were captured back in June at the time they
28:47
were fighting with Ukrainian forces north of
28:50
Kharkiv. This is a story as as you know that
28:52
we have been following closely on the show. And
28:54
out front now in an exclusive interview, their
28:56
first joint interview since Andy came home,
28:58
Andy Tyna Quinn and his fiancee
29:01
joy black. I am
29:03
so happy to see you, Andy.
29:05
You know, I know you
29:05
You can't get it anymore.
29:07
Well, less, I'm very happy.
29:10
And I
29:10
know you say you missed her every day. She
29:13
certainly she certainly missed you. Joy,
29:15
I I just wanna play the moment
29:17
we see Andy arriving back in Alabama
29:20
safely. I know when
29:22
you saw him for the first time in
29:24
New York, And I'm sure, you know, you're waiting and
29:26
waiting and waiting for this moment. But then when the
29:28
moment happened, it totally took you by surprise.
29:30
Tell me what tell me how it
29:32
went down. I
29:32
I was actually
29:35
with Alec's mother, Bobby, at the
29:37
time, and
29:37
we were checking in to a
29:40
place of
29:40
know that they were there yet. The
29:43
lobby
29:43
and they used the prices from behind,
29:46
and they gave me a hug, and I just
29:47
started crying. I
29:50
didn't know he was it was just
29:51
a big surprise, but happy to work.
29:53
What was
29:54
that like for you, Andy, when you came up behind
29:57
her and you know she's waiting for you, but she didn't know you were you
29:59
were there at that
29:59
moment. Yeah. Like, it was
30:01
like, Alex
30:03
and
30:03
I, like, human idea just to kinda
30:06
hide off corner. And, eventually, when we
30:07
saw them come, the one less, like, snuck
30:10
up. When I finally embraced
30:12
her, like,
30:13
Exactly. Happy again.
30:15
You felt happy again. So,
30:18
Andy, I know that you still need to debrief US
30:20
officials fully on your captivity. I mean, you
30:22
went through more than a hundred days in
30:24
incredible trauma. And I know
30:26
there's really not much you can say about it
30:28
right now in the midst of all that. Is there anything
30:30
that you do wanna share about
30:32
what happened? At at
30:34
the time, I I did not just
30:37
I don't know
30:37
what I can or can't say without
30:41
being Yeah. No, I understand.
30:42
Enjoy. It's got to be
30:44
so hard, not talking to Andy for
30:46
more than one hundred days.
30:49
what is it like now as you try
30:52
to you try to talk
30:54
again and you're you're sort of reengaging to
30:56
someone you missed every day and
30:58
yet obviously, this this unbelievable
31:01
thing happened.
31:04
It's
31:06
we're kinda kicking in our own
31:08
face and kinda slow, but
31:10
it's actually
31:10
I'm glad that he's, you know,
31:12
he's still here.
31:13
And, you know, we didn't we didn't do
31:16
any
31:16
better. Excuse me. It's so antsy.
31:18
And
31:18
even though it's still kinda hard and we're
31:20
still sorting through things, So
31:22
readjusting. You might have that little
31:25
background. Yeah. No.
31:26
And and it's it's I can't don't
31:28
even wanna use the word normal because, obviously, Andy,
31:30
nothing that you through was
31:33
normal. And but but it it of
31:35
course, it's gonna take time. I mean, Angie, did
31:37
you have any idea that joy was
31:39
on national television pleading for your
31:41
release, you know, of everything that she was doing
31:43
to try to make sure everyone
31:45
knew about you and how she was trying to bring
31:47
you home. To that
31:48
extent, I
31:51
didn't know Alex was a
31:53
representative for the Americans
31:54
that were there,
31:55
and he
31:57
when we we were able to meet up again anymore
31:59
of us to meet
32:01
what was happening in the world
32:03
more
32:03
specifically on
32:04
news front. joy and money telling about
32:06
us. So I
32:08
when we
32:09
knew, like, small small
32:11
mall information
32:12
that's
32:13
about it. Enjoy. You
32:15
said that Andy had a wish
32:17
that you found out after his you knew
32:19
he was coming home, but he had a a wish
32:21
for a wish. I'm sorry. First big
32:23
spaghetti dinner with meat sauce and
32:26
a long list of fast food.
32:28
Did you get to have that
32:30
spaghetti dinner? Yes.
32:33
We ended up having
32:35
this night. Last night. Yes.
32:38
For the fact, we looked like McDonald's this
32:41
airport was there, so we spent a bit of
32:43
time.
32:44
That's alright. I think that
32:46
was the most important thing was just being able to spend
32:48
time together. Well, thank you both so much. I look forward to
32:50
talking to you again, and we're just
32:52
really so, as I say, joy
32:55
to you. joyful
32:56
that you have had this wonderful reunion.
32:58
Thank you both.
33:02
Alright. And next for the first time we from
33:04
a migrant who was on the inside of the operation
33:06
to fly migrants to Martha's Vineyard,
33:08
how he became a key player
33:10
in Ron DeSantis says play.
33:13
Plus hurricane Ian, forecasters are calling
33:15
it the storm of a lifetime. Wins now close to
33:17
one hundred miles an hour. The latest on
33:19
the track as it turns
33:20
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33:22
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33:24
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33:27
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33:29
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33:31
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33:37
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33:39
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33:53
TONIGHT
33:55
WE'RE
33:56
HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME FROM SOMEONE INSIDE
33:58
THE EFFORT TO FLY TWO PLANS FULL OF
33:59
MIGRADS TO MARTHA'S Vineyard. A
34:02
MIGRANT SPEAKING EXCLUSIVELY ON
34:04
CAMERA. TO CNN, SAYS HE FEELS
34:06
BETRADE AFTER HE HIMSELF WAS LAARD TO HELP
34:08
RECRUTE OTHER
34:10
MIGRENTS. REA
34:10
SENTANA WITH THIS EXCLUSIVE REPORT. Reporter:
34:12
FOR THE FIRST TIME
34:14
TO SEE ANN, SOMEONE IN THE INSIDE
34:17
OF THE OPERATE and recruiting migrants out of San Antonio,
34:19
Texas, is telling his story on camera. The
34:22
man we spoke to himself of recently
34:24
arrived migrant describing details of
34:26
working with
34:28
a woman who many have said identified herself
34:30
only as Berla. He says he was living on
34:32
the streets of San Antonio for twenty
34:34
eight days before Berla offered
34:36
him clothes food, and
34:38
money to help her secure migrants for
34:40
the flight to Martha's Vineyard. He showed
34:42
us her business card,
34:44
text messages, and let us listen to
34:46
audio messages from Perla, revealing
34:48
she was still in contact with him as
34:50
recently as last week.
34:52
For his safety, we are protecting
34:54
his identity. who
34:54
approached you. We're not cheaper. A woman. She said her name
34:57
was Berla. I didn't know if that was her
34:59
real name. I didn't ask either.
35:02
My only intention was to help the people so they could get some stability.
35:04
She took them to a hotel. At
35:06
the hotel, I realized that they were being treated
35:08
well. Their three meals had benefits.
35:11
such as laundry, clothes, things that they didn't
35:13
have the expectation of getting. What did
35:15
she say you had
35:17
to do? Recruit
35:20
people. help
35:20
her. She said she would hire me and give me some of her cards. I
35:22
distributed those cards based on the information,
35:24
which is that we would send them to
35:27
a sanctuary place. In addition to that, until the flight would
35:29
leave, we would take them to a hotel where, as I
35:31
explained to you, they were provided services. What
35:34
did she say to you, to
35:35
tell these migrants
35:38
when you approach them. Did she give you any instructions about
35:40
how to talk to
35:42
them, to try to get them, to get on
35:44
these flights?
35:46
She had told me that the people who were
35:48
going to Massachusetts before I sent them. She
35:50
had told me that they were going to receive them.
35:53
They were going to live. They were going to stay. They were
35:55
going to help them with the language. And those
35:57
who had children, they were going to study.
35:59
These
35:59
migrants, you know, many of them say
36:02
offered ten dollar McDonald's
36:04
gift cards, and then they were asked
36:06
to sign a consent form, to
36:08
get on
36:10
these
36:10
flights They gave them to me so that I could give them to
36:12
them when people wanted to be on the flight.
36:14
Everything was always voluntary. No one
36:16
was ever forced to do anything.
36:18
When these people always said yes, I made sure that they gave me the papers, their
36:21
migration papers. Two planes left San
36:23
Antonio on
36:23
September fourteenth headed to Florida
36:26
and ultimately
36:28
Malthus Vineyard. Once he arrived, he received a concerned phone message
36:30
from one of the migrants. We
36:33
are at the
36:34
utopia man, and there's nothing.
36:38
and we are waiting to see if we can find a bed because I'm going to have
36:40
no place to sleep. There's nothing here.
36:42
We're adrift here. These people didn't even
36:44
know we would arrive. With that,
36:46
I'm telling you everything so that you can see bro. It's not me.
36:49
It's the reality. He says he
36:50
messaged Berla that the migrants were
36:54
because nobody was there to meet them and they were sleeping on the
36:56
side of the road. He showed us what
36:58
he says, Betelat texted back. Tell
37:00
them to call the numbers we gave them.
37:03
the church, the state has to take
37:05
care of them. Later that night, he says
37:07
she left him an audio message saying, I
37:09
know they were scared at first BUT NOW
37:11
THEY ARE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE AND THEY ARE GOING
37:13
TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THERE, LIKE YOU HAVE
37:15
NO IDEA. I KNOW THEY ARRIVED IN
37:18
ANOTHER CITY BUT IT IS
37:20
WITHIN Massachusetts. Believe me, they are going to have a much better
37:22
life than here or anywhere
37:24
else. He says he believed everything
37:26
Betla promised
37:28
him. Over the last few days, he says she's been warning him not
37:30
to talk to reporters, texting him.
37:32
If a reporter calls you, don't
37:36
say anything. He says he didn't
37:38
know governor Ron DeSantis was responsible for the planes to Martha's vineyard
37:40
until he saw the news, and Peralta
37:42
never informed him who she was working
37:45
for. I was always aware
37:47
that it was a benefactor who was paying
37:49
for things. I repeat. I never ever
37:51
knew that it was a governor
37:53
or a politician. So
37:55
my only will has always been to help people.
37:58
In the end, I
37:58
asked him if he felt betrayed by all
38:01
of this. See?
38:02
Claro? Yes. Of course.
38:04
Look. look at all of this where
38:06
I am first so that everyone knows that
38:08
I have nothing to do with perception.
38:10
Second, that always, as I said
38:12
from the beginning, my only principle has been to help
38:15
people I really see as needy.
38:18
I am right. It's amazing just
38:19
to hear it in
38:22
his voice. And when you have that that voicemail, you know, sort
38:24
of referring it to, this is no utopia.
38:26
But the choice of the word, it's almost as
38:28
if that's how it had been
38:30
promised. Right. What else do we know about this woman? She becomes more
38:32
important who calls herself parallel. Yeah.
38:34
That's really a lot of what's publicly known
38:36
about her. That this woman named parallel
38:40
was very much at the center of all of this. And she was the one approaching people
38:43
and she was the one recruiting people. A lot
38:45
of what we know about her is it
38:47
comes from the migrants themselves.
38:50
they describe her, they say what she told them, what she promised them, but
38:52
no one has been able to publicly identify her.
38:54
And a lot of these migrants don't
38:57
even know her name. They got on
38:59
the plane with this business card, with just first name, no company,
39:02
no other information except the phone number,
39:04
and she was able to
39:06
convince them to
39:07
do this. Now what I
39:10
trusted
39:10
her. And they trusted her. And what we hear
39:12
from you know, we hear a lot from on
39:14
both sides is that she was either
39:16
this good Samaritan who really cared about people on the streets and
39:18
wanted to get them to a better place, or that she was
39:20
a mastermind just taking advantage of people
39:22
and probably maybe working in connection
39:26
with some political operative, maybe to scientists -- Yeah. -- but we
39:28
still have a lot to to learn about this mystery
39:30
woman. Certainly a lot to learn. Although interesting
39:32
is in that one tech you
39:35
know, that that she said, you know, the state will take care of you.
39:37
I mean, the new certain certain things that
39:39
that that obviously pretty
39:42
one
39:42
specific and then one specific reporter would
39:44
lead you to think political, but but obviously still
39:46
so many questions. Mhmm. Alright. Well, thank you
39:48
so much, Maria, for that report.
39:50
And next, Hurricane Ian, now a category two two, and it's
39:53
gonna they say, get get stronger.
39:55
The winds are gonna pick
39:57
up as it's moving through this very
39:59
hot water. We're going to be a catastrophic storm. Officials telling people in parts of Florida to
40:02
leave now. We have the latest on the track
40:04
next, plus the massive price tag for
40:06
Biden's plan,
40:08
TO RELIEVE STUDENT
40:10
DEAD. Reporter:
40:11
TONIGHT THE STORM OF
40:13
A LIFE TIME those
40:16
are the words from NASA posting a video of hurricane Ian from
40:18
space as it intensifies and
40:20
pushes north toward Florida. The Tampa area
40:23
right now is preparing for a
40:25
potential direct hit would be the first direct hit to Tampa
40:27
in more than one hundred years. Thousands of
40:30
Florida residents are under mandatory
40:32
evacuation orders tonight.
40:34
Tom Sater is out front from the
40:36
CNN weather center. Tom, what are you
40:38
seeing right now here? That picture that
40:40
satellite picture was just
40:41
unbelievable. Yeah, really isn't. When you think
40:43
about it, Tampa nineteen twenty one, the last
40:45
direct hit. However, this will be the
40:48
first major hurricane to
40:50
come this close and passed this close to Tampa since nineteen fifty,
40:52
so a lot of people have never been through this. It's
40:54
about a hundred and ten, a hundred and twenty miles from
40:56
Western Cuba waiting for the eye
40:58
to form the warmest
41:00
waters across the entire Atlantica in this
41:02
area, so it underwent rapid
41:04
intensification. It'll probably do
41:06
that again. If you look at the watches and warnings are in place, it looks kind of chaotic
41:08
here, but in pinker watches. And then
41:10
we've upgraded this National Hurricane Center
41:12
from a watch to
41:14
a warning including the Tampa area. That means twenty four, thirty six
41:16
hours will have some hurricane conditions.
41:18
Computer plots still you know, there's
41:20
some variations here. So things can still
41:22
change, and we see that all the
41:24
time. The two main models, the American and
41:26
European, have been fluctuating. In fact,
41:28
yesterday, Americans now today
41:30
sliding to the to the east The European
41:32
sliding westward, they're becoming a better
41:34
agreement. So the cone of
41:36
uncertainty here still gives us a little
41:38
bit of a a
41:40
wiggle room but it goes from a category four to a one. Pay
41:42
no attention to the four Aaron because it's
41:44
gonna carry that surge equivalent
41:46
to a
41:48
category four right into the Tampa Bay area in all the tributaries
41:50
and endless to the south of there. Which
41:52
is really amazing because what
41:53
you're saying here is that really
41:55
the numbers that we're used to referencing 1234
41:58
actually aren't what's relevant here. You're looking at
41:59
something catastrophic
42:02
regardless. Yeah.
42:02
Absolutely. And the big problem here is, I mean, when you look at a
42:04
category one, that's just talking about wins. Well, we're still
42:06
gonna have a three hundred mile swap of
42:10
tropical storm force winds, but it's all about
42:12
to surge. So the warnings have been down
42:14
the whole coast as we're really gonna see
42:16
it spin counterclockwise. Here's the two models again.
42:18
They were in disagreement. American in red, European
42:20
in blue. You can't get a better agreement,
42:22
but look how it just blows up. The
42:24
problem here is it's going to
42:27
slow down we thought maybe five miles per hour. Now it's
42:29
maybe two or three. That means
42:32
thirty six to forty eight
42:34
hours just off in the worst
42:36
possible position to throw that
42:38
surge hour after hour into
42:40
the bay and every inlet. And
42:42
it impends the water from receding. It
42:44
acts as a dam. So as the
42:46
waters continue to build up, which we're
42:48
looking at five to ten, plus, you
42:50
know, ten, fifteen inches of rain then on top
42:52
of that. So we're hoping if we can get that to jog just
42:54
thirty miles off to the west,
42:56
we have a big
42:58
relief. Huge relief. I mean, huge
43:02
relief. it is interesting for Just to
43:03
emphasize what the exclamation point on this for people, five miles an hour
43:05
is slow, two to three is really slow, but that's
43:07
twice as long that it would take
43:10
walker. Yeah. Yeah. And just to
43:12
give everyone a sense of how those differences can
43:14
make such a massive difference. Thanks
43:17
so much, Tom. And next the first
43:19
time we're learning the estimated price tag of Biden's plan
43:21
to cancel student debt. And it's about double
43:23
what the White
43:26
House told
43:26
us. And
43:30
finally tonight, the massive
43:31
price tag for Biden's student
43:34
debt relief package of four hundred billion dollars. That is the new estimate
43:36
from the congressional budget offices, which did in
43:38
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