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Welcome to Podcast This Escape, the podcast where we

0:18

talk about the escape room that we escaped

0:20

from in the previous episode of this podcast.

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Matt, Jason, you did it. Congratulations. You

0:25

succeeded at doing the thing that you said you were going to

0:28

do from your first moment in the room. We

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know. We know. We escaped directly

0:32

into our destiny. Well,

0:35

we need to prepare. If

0:39

we had just stepped right out, the audience would have

0:41

known right away. That's the wrong

0:43

way. Why are you in

0:45

a uniform? That's

0:48

that rich uncle's nephew guy. We

0:52

hate nepotism. Get off the stage.

0:57

And so we saved our rich uncle from

1:00

having one consequence in his. And

1:02

is that what it's all about? Except

1:05

he always wondered what happened to his poor

1:07

nephew who disappeared. No,

1:09

we have to song again as

1:12

we fully talented Mr. Ripley. That guy,

1:16

we find him and kill him for the next

1:18

decade. There are always some rumors that

1:20

the singer for this band was seriously

1:22

vanished or died and was replaced by

1:24

a doppelganger, but no one could prove

1:26

it. What a conspiracy. Complete conspiracy. After

1:29

a few months of a

1:32

break and lots

1:35

of plastic surgery,

1:38

no one has been able to tell the difference. And

1:41

meanwhile, there's this new like paper mache

1:43

artist that's come up to the scene. Nice.

1:46

Yeah. It's a particular glitter to paper. Everyone

1:48

loves it. Similar name, no relation. That's pretty

1:51

cool. Everybody wins except for the trampled lady with

1:53

the siam. Yeah, but maybe she

1:55

deserved it. Who knows? Right before

1:57

the trampling, she was the happiest person in the world.

2:00

You want to go out exactly Well,

2:05

you guys really well you got through it all

2:07

you you found all the things that you needed

2:09

You would you had a bit of a habit

2:11

of being like here's the solution. I'm not gonna

2:14

do that Like

2:17

30 minutes in your life certainly can't be that yeah You're

2:19

like well, let's count up all these M&Ms will definitely count

2:21

them all and find out how many things we need to

2:23

move I will leave that for later Remarkable

2:30

like obviously when we did

2:32

the play test bill you played the play test

2:34

I did and Eventually the

2:36

room got done as it did same sort of

2:38

way Everything was done in a

2:41

different order the observations that were easy for you

2:43

to were the ones that took bill longer bill

2:45

I did right away for the ones that you

2:47

were hesitant on absolutely did not notice

2:49

the bottle caps on the bottles that

2:52

pre-existing bottle And

2:55

you were just like well those are two bottle caps.

2:57

I did not notice at all didn't search costume

2:59

pockets Costumes I

3:01

was like well, those isn't costumes. Maybe I'll have to search

3:03

those later, but I won't do it now You

3:08

spotted the little hooks on the tops of the

3:10

guitar neck Yes, I thought that it

3:12

was gonna be about hanging clothes. I didn't

3:14

see those. Yeah, I was like two hangers

3:16

for costumes and Never

3:18

thought about the guitar. So yeah, you caught on to that stuff

3:21

really good Observational with my silly little

3:23

pictures and I appreciate it a lot They

3:26

were great pictures Yeah

3:29

the moment where I can't wait to see

3:32

how it gets ended into the main episode

3:34

of you saying Oh, maybe this one is

3:36

a chicken because then and now has the

3:38

word hen in it. Hahaha. What a silly

3:40

thought I'm having right now When

3:43

I was looking at brewers best and I was like, yeah

3:45

you you It's

3:52

one of those cases where like we're sitting here like, you

3:54

know, you're sort of you're not getting it We're like, oh,

3:56

you know, maybe like maybe that's like an issue with the

3:58

puzzle or maybe like the different thing Wait a minute,

4:00

no, he already saw the thing and got it. The

4:02

puzzle's fine, but we need to wait for him to

4:05

click into that. And that's why we

4:07

weren't saying anything. We were just sort of chilling and

4:09

going, no, no, we know what hints to give you.

4:11

The hint is you did it. Yeah, the hint is go

4:13

back to what you already said. Also the

4:15

fact that one had the ampersand

4:18

and the other... Oh, yeah. I was

4:20

like, oh, okay, so then right. Yeah,

4:22

you were thinking character's important and to an

4:25

extent, but not number of characters. It was

4:27

specifically that D had to be there for

4:29

that end. For one

4:31

second, I thought shovel and

4:33

rake our garden tools and

4:35

maybe not in my accent,

4:37

but maybe in yours horse

4:39

sounds like hose. So

4:42

it's garden hose. So

4:44

it's garden hose. You

4:47

just put out and wore everything with the hose.

4:49

It wouldn't be the first time that we've all

4:51

been screwed over by accent. In

4:54

the last room that we did on

4:56

this podcast, we were playing and someone

4:58

created a very long and complicated rebus

5:02

based on Barack

5:04

Obama with like a

5:06

rock being synonymous with rock.

5:09

And so we were stuck. And we were just like, that

5:11

doesn't work in Australia. Oh, we were stuck. Like Barack Obama.

5:14

It's a rock. There's a rock in the

5:16

ground for Barack Obama. No, there's a rock

5:18

for Barack. Those are different vowels. You've

5:22

got to remember sometimes to transpose things

5:24

like that in our brains and some

5:26

of them don't hit. But luckily for this

5:28

one, you're still in the air. Oh

5:33

my gosh, that was so good. Oh, what a

5:36

pattern. It

5:38

was so exciting to see how it rocked right at the end. You

5:44

predicted pretty much how this was going to

5:46

go. Not only did you predict, I'm going to go

5:48

on stage and sing all this stuff. You also predicted

5:50

that Mark was an artsy boy. Oh,

5:53

that's amazing. Yeah, I

5:57

loved arts and crafts. Just

6:00

for being a fan of Mouthedale

6:02

for so many years, these interviews

6:04

he mentioned a couple times that

6:06

he let go of his dreams.

6:08

You could tell the wistfulness there.

6:11

He started Mouthedale to subsidize his arts

6:13

and crafts career. That was his side

6:16

hustle. That to me,

6:18

that's my fun. That's

6:20

always a fun story about Leonard Cohen, because

6:23

Leonard Cohen got into music because

6:26

it was a more stable way to make money than

6:28

poetry was. Right. Oh my gosh. I thought that was

6:30

an idea. It's like, I'm a poet, but I'll do

6:32

music because it's a more stable income. That

6:35

is incredible. I did not know

6:37

that. It's

6:39

a fun, dumb little story. But

6:42

no, you did really well. It

6:44

was... I was really worried that

6:46

you were going to solve that whole bottles puzzle before you

6:48

had any idea where it was going to go. Yeah,

6:51

yeah. Knowing that it needed the six

6:53

digits. Oh. Um,

6:57

you're getting that quick thing for the hanging

6:59

up of the guitars was great. Because I

7:01

spent so long play testing and being like,

7:04

how could I connect a little pear shape

7:06

to a circle or maybe just the rectangle

7:08

go with the star? Or does

7:10

it... And it was... I

7:13

was wondering if that was what it was going to

7:15

be. And then I actually, I didn't know if at

7:18

a certain point we were going to have to match

7:20

every single neck to the guitar. I

7:23

knew as I had drawn those guitar necks, I

7:25

went, Oh no, I was not thinking about whether

7:27

they look matching enough. I

7:30

got to make sure it's not that. Uh,

7:33

there is the Fender Stratocaster. Uh,

7:35

um, there is a, like the

7:37

red guitar did match perfectly with

7:39

the Fender Stratocaster. Very much so

7:41

because I don't know how to draw

7:43

guitars. So I absolutely just Googled cartoon

7:45

electric guitar. And those were the first

7:47

ones that I drew. And then the

7:50

rest were just weird shaped variants. Cause

7:54

yeah, turns out when you look up cartoon

7:56

electric guitars, they're all exactly the same style.

8:00

always the Fender's eight. But

8:02

then I was a little bit worried. You looked at the set

8:04

list, it was all going great. And then Matt, you said, Oh,

8:07

and it's been crossed out. Oh, no, does

8:09

that look like a cross? What have I done?

8:12

It was, it did look like a big cross. I

8:16

never considered it. If

8:20

I didn't recognize the,

8:23

like that that one thing looked like a

8:25

triangle and the hooks for the guitar. That

8:27

really be my main thing. I don't know if

8:29

I would have seen the shape of the... No,

8:32

I agree. Yeah, you're probably not a fan. I

8:34

was so impressed with that. You

8:37

want it to be medium obvious. Yeah,

8:39

it should be like obvious once you've sort of like

8:41

solved it rather than just like go, Oh, and then

8:43

this one has two bodies of guitars drawn over it

8:45

for some reason. I guess we'll put the guitars on

8:47

it. Yeah, it's

8:49

sort of that pipeline of like, you would

8:51

never just think, Oh, those are going to

8:53

be guitar bodies. And you probably wouldn't think

8:55

those scratches are the shapes of the heads

8:57

of the guitars. And if you think

8:59

too hard about it, the logistics are fitting those

9:02

guitars together in that manner physics wise.

9:04

I think probably going to work. Once you kind of

9:06

recognize the hooks and you're like, wait, that's a hook.

9:08

The match is the hook things on the guitars. Could

9:10

I hang the guitar? Which would I hang? Wait, now

9:13

I know what I need to hang. And like, it's

9:15

like a progression. I think that works really well. I

9:18

feel like that's the sort of thought process.

9:20

I don't know how often I get to use it

9:22

in these rooms or not. But I feel like that

9:24

is very real escape room for needing

9:27

to know where physical objects go

9:29

and what to match each

9:31

other. Yeah, it's hard

9:33

to replicate in an audio space.

9:36

Yeah, there is all that space sometimes in

9:38

an escape room where you're like, does

9:40

anyone have anything triangular? And you sort of

9:42

wandering around looking for a triangle about this

9:44

size. Like, is anyone ever like, it's like

9:46

this big? Just walking around and being like,

9:48

Oh, that I guess these two things match.

9:51

It's got to go somewhere. I

9:53

also appreciated that you said when counting the

9:55

bricks to simplify, let's make it 12 left

9:57

and seven down. That's exactly how I've got

10:00

in my notes and my

10:02

starting point I arbitrarily picked 12 left 7

10:04

down and then all of the other numbers

10:06

came around that to make that happen. I

10:08

would say I didn't do that in the playtest and

10:11

the playtest I was like yeah and then I do

10:13

it the right number and was very dismissive and as

10:15

soon as you said 12 down 12 left 7 down

10:19

Danny tapped me on the shoulder and went can we

10:21

commit showed me her notes been like see

10:24

like that's how you're meant

10:26

to do it idiot. That's

10:29

amazing. Apparently in the playtest was

10:31

I looked at my notes we talked about

10:33

this and I found this brick wall has

10:35

a scratched letter N on it. I

10:37

could not for the life of me remember why there

10:39

was a scratched letter N on that wall. Does

10:43

this mean something? Is this arbitrary

10:46

and semi-arbitrary? It was a faded

10:48

M&M reference. I

10:50

love that. I

10:54

was saying before that the last time Matt was on

10:56

the show he played a lighthouse

10:58

themed escape room that I ran

11:00

and I ran it because a

11:02

guest had sent in a write-up of an escape room

11:05

said you should run this on the show rather

11:07

than them wanting to come on and run it

11:09

themselves. You should run it and so I

11:12

ran it so Danny could play and Matt came

11:14

on to play alongside as well and

11:16

I had that similar feeling of it's a really odd

11:18

feeling of picking up someone else's notes and then being

11:20

like there's a door with

11:22

a six digit lock. So when the players

11:24

put in like 17263 it

11:28

opens and me going where the hell did

11:30

that number come from? There's this

11:32

illusion that I have to move because I'm

11:34

running the loop. I try

11:37

that reading other people's notes. I

11:39

don't know how people run my room. It's

11:43

so much harder trying to follow someone else's logic.

11:46

Exactly. That was really annoying

11:48

trying to follow my notes and going I can't find

11:50

the entry for what happens when you hold the instruments

11:53

up but I have flashes in my mind of what

11:55

that bit of note looked like so it

11:57

must be here somewhere did I somehow delete it?

12:00

typing. I don't know

12:03

but no I just couldn't find it because

12:05

apparently my past self categorized it

12:08

differently to my present self. I usually trust my

12:11

past self to make things reliable but not this

12:13

time.

12:15

Did you guys have like a favorite part? What

12:17

made you feel best? Did you feel

12:20

good at any moment? Well,

12:23

I mean

12:25

I... I feel bad at any moment. No,

12:28

well, I guess I'm the positive. I mean

12:30

when you're stumped, you know, there's a... Yeah.

12:33

Obviously also you've edited out all of

12:35

those very loud... Yeah, you wouldn't have

12:37

stumped. Don't let anybody know. I stumped

12:39

this room. But it is

12:42

so, I mean, as

12:44

like frustrating,

12:46

or not frustrating, but you know, as sort

12:48

of like scary as it is

12:50

in the moments when you're stumped and you're

12:52

like, I'm never gonna figure it out. It's

12:55

so exciting when you get like

12:57

a little handhold and

12:59

then you start to... then it all kind

13:01

of crumbles away so fast. And

13:06

that happened several times and

13:08

that was very satisfying. And

13:15

I also like the detail of the parrot,

13:17

sea captain. Yeah,

13:19

just the keeper. I really enjoyed that. So

13:22

oddly arbitrary. I don't know when I wrote

13:24

that. It is

13:26

one of those things where like the problem with the

13:28

parrot, sea captain thing is...

13:30

That you make colours and animals going

13:32

on. It's like, it's almost like it's

13:34

almost a pun that doesn't... like you

13:37

can't go to somebody like... You see, because

13:39

he's a parrot. He's like a pirate parrot,

13:41

like a parrot. There's

13:47

almost something there that's like the two words

13:49

combined, but then it's just parrot again. Or

13:51

pirate. You can't quite do it. Never occurred

13:54

to me. They were just hipings on

13:56

my phone as I watched. Where

14:00

that that like thing of pirates

14:03

having parrots on their shoulders came

14:05

from So

14:09

there was a ship was covered in

14:11

pilot Okay

14:30

Pirates have parrots

14:32

because parrots are a new world bird

14:35

and pirates were all like Caribbean

14:37

II they were status symbol. Yes

14:40

like Michael Yeah,

14:42

they were yeah, you could

14:45

make a big profit selling them to

14:47

wealthy upper-class Europeans Oh,

14:49

and also they're highly intelligent and social. So

14:51

they were just good company on a boat.

14:53

Yeah, probably not very delicious Yeah

14:58

That was a balance those tough days you're like

15:00

I'm not gonna eat you I know

15:02

you taste your friend I'd

15:07

rather have the conversation Any

15:13

I live somewhat

15:15

vicariously through a lot of but I'd like to

15:17

nice thing about those realization moments even if it's

15:19

not you who like cracked it you still get

15:21

all the fun of it being cracked and then

15:24

Falling into place and your brain is like, oh

15:26

I can't think again and You

15:31

have freed me from my prison I appreciated

15:33

you're very simple and Jason was looking

15:35

at going 12 left 7 down in the

15:37

audience And you went bricks bricks

15:40

Yo, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I thought the audience was a really

15:43

good idea I was like, they're kind

15:45

in a grid. They got seat numbers. You

15:47

did not want to give up on the fact that Mark might

15:49

still be around I

15:52

Didn't believe it. I could not believe he

15:54

left His

15:57

responsibilities to the people that he's playing with that

15:59

number night. And he's

16:01

thrown away. In the

16:04

audience, there's that lady who has

16:06

a sign that says, marry me,

16:08

Mark, which has M's

16:11

and M's and M's. She's

16:13

clever. She's clever. She was clever.

16:16

Yeah, sure. Oh, gosh. They

16:18

weren't even going anywhere. Like, she got, it was a very vindictive

16:20

trample. No one was trying, they

16:23

were standing, they all were in their seats. They

16:29

stood up and trampled her for no reason.

16:32

Not cool. They were really out of nowhere.

16:34

She fell over, she's like, I dare

16:36

you to trample me, idiots. When

16:38

you've got a really good seat

16:40

at a concert like this, as soon as

16:43

you vacate it for any reason, even if

16:45

that's fainting, that counts. You're going to get seat

16:47

fill. Yes, exactly. That's

16:49

how they get you. Warning

16:51

to the wise, everybody out there. This

16:54

is how concerts go. Yeah, never faint at a concert. I

16:59

think you did really well. I

17:01

think you gelled well together in terms of like,

17:04

you know, no one was off being like, I want to do this. The

17:07

other person was like, what? No, please, please come back. So

17:10

it worked out very well. And

17:13

yeah, I think you did it very,

17:15

very smoothly. I was very impressed. I

17:19

was worried when you immediately jumped to

17:22

the solutions a few times. But then luckily, you

17:25

didn't know you were there. So we had a good,

17:27

we had a nice long episode. But

17:31

yeah, it was interesting. There were a couple little

17:34

things that changed to

17:36

avoid confusion. Like you can

17:38

probably tell from the picture of the guitar

17:40

bodies. There was a sixth guitar originally. Yeah,

17:42

there was a sixth guitar. The program

17:45

that I drew those guitars on could

17:47

not move them to change their

17:49

positioning well enough to round that out. And

17:53

that was purely just because there were

17:55

six arbitrarily. And then when I was

17:57

solving, I was like, six bottles, six.

18:00

Rubio have six guitar com has that products

18:02

that a little is missing out on. Like

18:04

a thing about you knew that are six bottles

18:06

and that was gonna go with the fridge as

18:08

well. You should have but if there were also

18:10

six guitars. Yeah, we added

18:12

limit of analysis Opioids Reasons

18:15

are shaped guitar. Was.

18:17

Trying to put the guitar hero with the thing

18:19

and as I know I kept on having to

18:21

be like that size of nights. only bad for

18:24

us as a six guitar some help us all

18:26

premises for the six guitar. But.

18:30

I years as a thing they that we retains

18:32

is that clarity of knowing what's going to be

18:34

related as he retains with a with a bottle

18:36

caps were. On Those

18:38

bottles. Oh My. God.

18:40

Because originally. We. Did

18:42

we at different bottles had the bottle caps on them

18:44

and I went ah yeah. Initially I was going to

18:46

make Instagram have a but bad bottle cap on it

18:48

because it's meant to be stag that it could also

18:50

be ramps but then I just. Drew the bottom line

18:53

on the wrong bottle. And so we

18:55

went nuts. That's definitely that Outlets really went

18:57

back to the looks at us from places

18:59

and I accidently had one of the bottle

19:01

caps on the correct sequence so I couldn't

19:03

use the sheep as a Detroit as the

19:05

seep with also on the correct once saw.

19:07

Have to say that again suffices. I

19:10

was my. As

19:13

far as enrol pretty some of us well I

19:15

think we can leave that they are the was

19:18

a lot of on thank you so much for

19:20

coming on and and playing through the escape and

19:22

was real of it. Have you both. Are

19:25

also known as From and was so much

19:27

safer Address This I have now is such

19:29

awesome setting for an escape routes of neighbors.

19:31

It was it a listen. I'm. The

19:33

Met obviously people want to take up more of you

19:35

can deeds and going to count finisher to give a

19:38

quick little link for where people can go to find

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finish it. Yeah. Absolutely finish pod.com

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is are goofy website or restored

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known from blue sky somehow it's

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all finished product for disappeared but

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and all the links or that

19:52

would say mostly I'm and says

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our noses anything that like in

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get people excited for that you'd

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working on time these. Go and check

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What do you want people hyped

20:04

for? Ah well. at some point

20:06

in. The Fall. And

20:09

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