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Hello, and welcome into the latest edition

0:35

of ESPN FC, Kay Murray, Alimourino,

0:37

Chuck A Hislop here in the studio, looking

0:39

back on a big day for Real Madrid

0:42

and Athleti, meeting in the quarter finals

0:44

of the Copper Delray. While it went to extra

0:47

time, we should have known that because anytime these

0:49

two sides face in a knockout game

0:51

like this, it usually does go to

0:53

extra time. Athleta had started well

0:55

with a goal from Murata, but then a gorgeous

0:57

goal from Rodrigo turn things around.

1:00

In extra time, Kareem Benzema and Vinny

1:02

Junior both got on the scoresheet. Stefan

1:04

Savage saw red as well after

1:06

the game Martie Einstein caught up with

1:09

Carlo and Chillati.

1:12

Your your feelings towards this

1:14

important win tonight. Happy

1:17

because it was difficult game. think I'd like

1:19

to complete battle of the staff. We've played

1:21

battles on the staff and then had

1:24

a lot of effort to equalize the gain.

1:27

But when we equalize it, of course, we

1:29

had advantage and

1:32

we use this as Voucher in the in the

1:34

extra time.

1:36

We've seen this story before in other games.

1:38

That's really amazing. Grows

1:40

until the last moments of the game

1:44

and then they are able to score.

1:47

This gives you an extra confidence

1:50

that this will happen

1:52

somehow or it makes you nervous.

1:54

More. I think it's,

1:57

for me, it's difficult to understand how

2:00

we are so bad. We are so bad in the first

2:02

half and so good in the second half. If

2:04

good to say. It's it's true that we are around

2:06

something, but it's it's

2:12

is not only the strategy of the game, it's

2:14

also the mental aspect and

2:16

that mentally this team,

2:18

this is really strong. Do

2:22

you think it might be overconfident? The

2:24

thing that that in

2:27

a in a situation that is

2:29

very goes to the limit, you

2:31

can react. No. I think we

2:34

would like to act not react because

2:36

not always react It's

2:38

a good sign. We want to act. It's

2:40

true that the last toll free games and has

2:42

Villaralo the one in this competition, has

2:45

Villaralo Again, against

2:48

the we were down and we

2:50

reacted so well. But – so we

2:52

have to be focused to act well

2:54

at the

2:55

beginning. Carlos, I would like to

2:57

to stop for a minute in Rodrigo's goal

3:00

because it was something really special, and I

3:02

asked Rodrigo,

3:03

can you recall? Can you remember what happened

3:06

in the in the game? It

3:08

was so fast. It's a it's a player that

3:10

used a lot of inter Interesting. When

3:12

he plays. Right? Yes. And that's

3:14

just yes. This kind of

3:18

of ability to keep a fantastic coordination

3:21

also in

3:24

the small spaces and use

3:26

quite a fantastic goal as he

3:29

used to do in this kind of situation.

3:33

Let's talk a little bit about that overconfidence remark

3:36

there from from Marty nine ten think that is

3:38

what it comes to with real madrid or do you think it happens

3:40

to them so many times. They think, okay, we're

3:42

always gonna be okay. Well, there's

3:44

a sense of self belief and and

3:47

confidence that regardless of

3:49

what the situation is in the game, you

3:51

always have a chance to come back.

3:55

But I don't think you wanna be in this position

3:57

all the time. So it depends

3:59

on how you look at it. You can look at from the

4:01

perspective of what character does

4:03

this team have that always when they're

4:05

down, they're able to find

4:07

it within themselves, to come back

4:09

and win this sort of match. Is. The

4:11

other way to look at it is, hey

4:13

guys, we don't need

4:15

to be in this position. We don't

4:18

need to be trailing, we don't

4:20

need to find extra level

4:22

of stress in order for us

4:24

to be fully engaged in

4:26

the match. And yet, it is

4:28

a story of the personality of

4:30

this group. Noticeably slow

4:32

starter Then they

4:34

find their way into the game and

4:36

all they need is one moment

4:39

for everything to spark. And

4:41

today was Rodrigo's moment that allowed

4:43

them real madrid to become different

4:45

in the match. But while I say that, I'll

4:47

also say that athletic commodity allowed

4:49

them allow them to

4:52

use the spark and then grow into

4:54

the match. It's not only an apletical

4:56

myeloid story here a real

4:59

money story and how both teams

5:01

changed their approach in the game after

5:03

the Rodrigo

5:03

Bowl.

5:04

What a great call at Wojtjacker. It certainly

5:06

was, and he fell if we reimagined

5:08

would to get themselves back in it, it

5:10

would take something special from somebody

5:12

doing exactly as Rodrygo's did.

5:15

Replicate had their chances. There

5:17

was that exchange between Ben and

5:19

my Venetius junior that ball got away from Venetius

5:22

junior went to Meddong. Britain brought the

5:24

vest out of out of all black, and

5:26

it felt the Finnish junior again, and

5:28

and it came off his knee. And

5:30

then things just

5:32

started to dry up for reimagined. And and

5:34

and in fairness, I think I'd let you play

5:36

their part in that and how they

5:38

took the game over. And

5:41

you just weren't quite sure

5:43

where that response is going to come from for a

5:45

fight like to come Madrid. For for real Madrid,

5:47

excuse me. And then Rodrigo just

5:49

stepped up and and did as as as he did.

5:52

And it's great to hear Carlo

5:54

Antolotti speaking about about

5:56

his his not certain instincts when a

5:58

week ago, he's been asked

6:00

very different questions about about Rodrigo.

6:02

And and it speaks I said then,

6:04

that just when I thought I couldn't love

6:07

Carlo Antolotti more, I

6:09

I absolutely adore how we handle

6:11

that situation. And it shows again

6:14

how good a manager he is. How good a man

6:16

manager he is because right on

6:18

on the heels of that, Rodrigo

6:20

produces

6:20

this. Yeah. Obviously, Rodrigo had been

6:23

taken off and he not saluted Carlo

6:25

Anshilotti. Carlo Anshilotti called him out

6:27

there and then Rodrigo soon apologized

6:29

right afterwards, but this is a perfect

6:31

response from the player surely. And

6:34

a perfect response from the manager that

6:37

look, We've had our moment. Right?

6:40

You were pitching a fit.

6:42

I didn't like it. I told you about

6:44

it, and now it's over. And now

6:46

I'm gonna trust you again in

6:48

a moment in which we need

6:50

an impact, a game changing

6:52

play. I'm gonna put you out there to

6:54

provide that for this team. And Rodrygo's

6:56

did that today as he has now

6:59

seemingly for the better

7:01

part of a whole year. When

7:03

you think about the run of

7:05

Champions League by Real Madrid, how

7:08

many important goals Rodrygo's corn

7:10

in that run? So you know he has that

7:12

in his game, and that's why you put him out there.

7:14

And once he got beyond Axel

7:17

Vitzel, and he was able then

7:19

to take his head up and understand

7:21

what the movement was in front of him. You

7:23

can see that things are slowing down for

7:25

him, that the picture is slowing down for him, my

7:27

nose. This guy is committing to this way. I'm

7:29

taking it to the left hand side.

7:31

He's now talking inside, but he's

7:33

late. So I can take him to the outside as

7:35

well. This last defender over here is

7:37

brought into the play because of the run from Vinnie

7:39

Junior. I can take him to the outside because his

7:41

momentum is taken over this way. And now

7:44

and this is a key moment. And now

7:46

I can finish. But how can

7:48

I finish? Do I let it go all the way across

7:50

to my left foot? No. It's a quick

7:52

finish with the outside of the right foot so

7:54

that then Obblood cannot

7:57

work his way

7:57

across. From every angle,

7:59

however you look at it, this was perfection

8:01

from revenue. Yeah. It completely turned the game

8:03

around, Sid Lowes pitching side. He did tell

8:05

us to expect extra time. Sid jinxed

8:07

their aloe history -- Yeah. -- had warned

8:09

us as well. No. It's Sid. What a

8:11

great goal it was Sid to turn things around.

8:14

Just

8:17

brilliant. And and as Ali was saying, you know,

8:20

this is the guy that that made that decisive

8:22

impact against much city last year in the

8:24

Champions League. He's a player who's

8:26

who's intuitive on the pitch. It comes

8:28

out of him. Naturally, he's got a smoothness

8:30

to his game, obviously, an enormous amount of quality

8:32

as well. It's just a a

8:34

completely brilliant goal. And III done about

8:36

how it felt at home watching

8:38

it on television book, but suddenly here it felt like that

8:40

momentum, the inevitability of the

8:42

realm of your comeback was maybe

8:44

starting to slip away rest of

8:46

slightly. So you'd had the the the kind of second

8:48

half reaction. You'd had the two or three shots.

8:50

The one that goes through Benchmar's legs, the one that

8:52

flashes across the face of goal. And you start

8:54

thinking, well, maybe it's not quite

8:56

coming, and then he scores that goal out

8:58

of out of almost nothing. It

9:00

it just a completely brilliant goal. And

9:02

and in the end, yeah, it was the the kind of

9:04

inevitable conclusion to

9:05

it. Wasn't it? Sid, you've lived in

9:07

Madrid a long time now, and it doesn't

9:09

really matter. It seems the manager sometimes

9:12

real Madrid when it comes to a

9:14

comeback. So he was just us there by our colleague,

9:16

Marty Einstein, if it's overconfidence and

9:18

I put it to the panel if it's just something

9:20

that seems to be instilled in

9:22

any player that comes to real Madrid that

9:24

they know a comeback will always

9:26

be on the cards.

9:27

Yeah. And and,

9:30

of course, part of it is about the way that we create

9:32

if you like the story line around it, so

9:35

that there's this because we talk

9:37

about it, because it happens, it makes it happening

9:39

again more likely. I'll I'll tell you a

9:41

line that That was told once by Mitchel who was a member of

9:43

that kind of a victory team. And this is a team that

9:45

kind of really started the idea of the comebacks

9:47

in European football. There was a whole load of them in the

9:49

UEFA cup. And and he

9:51

he I remember him going for it and saying,

9:53

listen, it's perfectly plausible that

9:55

we look at the statistics and

9:57

actually we don't come back any more than the

9:59

other team. It's perfectly plausible that

10:01

maybe we go for it, and there's been times when we've lost in the

10:03

last minute too. And by the way, they have, and and of course

10:05

his team was beaten twice on the final day of

10:07

the season against Tenerife. He said, but there's some thing

10:09

about playing for Real Madrid,

10:11

putting on that shirt that turns you into

10:13

kind of a mini incredible hulk, and

10:15

all of you somehow feel

10:18

like somewhere along the line, there's

10:20

something inside you that means you can kind of

10:22

emerge and suddenly kind of

10:24

burst out if you like. Is this this kind of unstoppable

10:26

beast. And and I think there's there's something

10:28

in that. I mean, look, last year, even by

10:30

Rambridge Sanders was absolutely ridiculous.

10:32

The way they won the Champions League was just

10:34

extraordinary. But one of the things that I think made

10:36

it possible was the fact that

10:38

somewhere along the line, everyone kind of believed it

10:40

was possible. And and personally, I think,

10:42

and I'd love to know what the what the guys in the studio think of

10:44

this from a from a professional player's point of

10:46

view, but that belief works both

10:48

ways. It's not just about realm

10:50

ended up believing it's possible. It's about the other

10:52

team starting to get that sinking feeling.

10:54

That sense of of fatal is more

10:56

inevitability as realm just start to come back

10:58

at them. And that intern probably makes it

11:00

more more likely as

11:01

well. That

11:02

that psychological impact, can that

11:04

happen when he's the absolute team? I'll

11:06

absolutely. As as a player, sometimes

11:08

you want down, lay down, and

11:11

you feel defeated, you feel

11:13

we would not really create the the chances

11:15

that that we we should or we need to to

11:17

get ourselves back in this game and if

11:20

we're defeated. To to

11:22

to to since point and sometimes sometimes

11:24

you do get that goal. But even when

11:26

you're on the field and and you do

11:28

get that goal, it

11:30

just kind of happened. You know, it it

11:32

it it happened. There's also when

11:35

later on in games where you are down,

11:37

where there's a there's a sense of desperation

11:39

deeply. And but

11:41

with Real Madrid and when you

11:43

truly believe that you never out of games,

11:45

that the comeback is always on,

11:47

there's never that sense of desperation.

11:49

You you you know the goal is

11:51

is gonna come. And so just

11:53

for psychologically, I think that there's a

11:55

difference in how you see there's a player.

11:57

But then how the game take shape as well

12:00

because you're not just kicking it

12:02

long and you're not just

12:04

putting the tall guy in the box and

12:07

crossing it and hoping for for for for

12:08

knockoffs. Yeah. I'll tell you what can

12:11

change. The the whole

12:13

picture and the tendencies Coaching

12:15

Decisions. Right? And

12:17

if you are, in this case, Diego

12:19

Simonone, who I was begging, begging

12:21

at the beginning of the game, go and attack

12:23

them already. And they did. Thank you, Diego.

12:26

Right? At half time, I said, please,

12:28

Diego. Don't get defensive

12:30

on me. For the first fifty minutes, they

12:32

did not. Thank you, Diego. Now we

12:34

get to the sixty fifth minute and he

12:36

decides when when they have

12:38

withstood that that

12:40

initial push that Sid was mentioning from

12:42

Ronaldo. And it

12:44

seemed like the game was under control.

12:46

He said, you know what what we're gonna we're

12:48

gonna get defensive. Right? We're gonna

12:50

take more attack out. This is we're talking

12:52

about the sixty fifth minute. And

12:54

now we're gonna put Axovits to win.

12:56

So you no longer have a nowlet. You

12:58

no longer have a player that can stretch the

13:00

back line. You also then decided,

13:02

I'm gonna take Angel Corteo And

13:05

so you no longer have a thread down the right, a

13:07

thread down the right that was important because that was

13:09

occupying whoever was playing the left

13:11

back position. For Birramarin, in this

13:13

case, Kamalin after the Mendi injury,

13:15

which then allowed freedom now and

13:17

Molina to then overlap down the right hand side

13:19

and be a threat in the attack.

13:22

So you yourself, because

13:24

of your own decisions, you've

13:26

taken options to go on the

13:28

attack. And in doing so, you

13:30

force yourself to then get more defensive,

13:32

get deeper and deeper, it

13:34

allows Almirall to now start

13:36

completing passes in the attack and have done it. So why are

13:38

you just getting ball? And then Rodrigo

13:40

gets involved in between spaces. And that's

13:42

where the goal comes from. Now is it a moment of

13:44

genius? Of course, it's a moment of genius for

13:46

Rodrigo. It's it's an outstanding

13:48

goal. Yes, did it take an outstanding goal, but it's

13:50

an opportunity that you gave, that you

13:52

presented, just by coaching

13:54

decisions, which When we talk

13:56

about the mentality and the feelings for a

13:58

player, if you're being tall,

14:00

start sitting deeper and deeper.

14:02

You start renouncing the attack and you start

14:04

expecting real money to come this way.

14:06

So in terms of feelings, at

14:08

Pretico Madrid, once Rodrigo score

14:10

the goal. What do you think their feelings were? It's

14:12

like, oh, well, here we go again. We have seen

14:14

this before. And that was exactly the

14:16

feeling that they had going into extra time. Because

14:18

again in coaching decisions, see my own and

14:20

decide, we're just gonna see this through to

14:22

penalties. I

14:24

don't understand it. I don't get it.

14:26

I am watching the gain on seat. Continue

14:28

to attack their mentality because they're vulnerable.

14:31

Even more so, when you wanna amend down.

14:33

And actually, you look more dangerous than Panama

14:35

did in the in the second half of extra time. So

14:37

it took you going down to then

14:39

go in and try and attack again. That

14:42

is coaching decisions. That is a

14:44

mentality that this team,

14:46

they have to be able to free themselves

14:48

up because Otherwise, we're gonna continue to say

14:50

see the same picture over and over again. And I

14:52

don't know why if you've seen it as many times as you

14:54

have, why you don't sick you don't get sick of it

14:56

and try to change it, do something different.

14:58

On the morning of the game, La Liga,

15:01

Rearm Madrid, and Afletti had to

15:03

condemn an incident that had

15:05

occurred where an bridge

15:07

close by to Ream at its training

15:09

grounds. A doll wearing a Venetius

15:11

junior shirt had been hung with a big

15:13

sign saying Madrid hates real, which

15:15

is linked to a

15:17

small group of Athleti fans.

15:19

And so obviously, people knew

15:21

who it come from. Athleti

15:23

McComodrid statement on this was such

15:25

actor absolutely repugnant and

15:27

unacceptable and ashamed. Society,

15:29

a condemnation of any act that

15:31

attacks the dignity of people or

15:33

institutions is absolute without

15:35

x reception. The

15:38

legal statement on the racism towards

15:40

Fenny Jr. We vigorously condemn the acts of

15:42

hate against Fenny Jr. Intolerance

15:44

and violence no place in football. As

15:46

on previous occasions, La Liga will

15:48

investigate these events in an attempt to

15:50

find those responsible. Seeking

15:53

the most severe criminal penalties.

15:56

Have you had

15:58

a tow bus? Tweeted a

16:00

message to those who take refuge at night to

16:02

commit hate crimes. We will locate you. We will

16:04

get conviction so that you end up in

16:06

jail, which is where you should be

16:08

enough now. And during the game some

16:10

information came out that Spain's Antivirus

16:12

Commission will chair a meeting this coming

16:14

Monday to discuss this morning's

16:16

events with that incident concerning

16:19

the Vinny Junior doll. This

16:21

time something has to be done.

16:24

Suggestions here from the words is that

16:26

it is going to be

16:27

done. But obviously, Shaka, as

16:29

always, action speak a whole lot

16:31

louder. And and that's the thing. We've been waiting

16:33

for actions from Spanish football around

16:35

these incidents for quite some time. I I

16:37

applaud the the rhetoric. I welcome

16:39

it. It's needed. But you have to

16:41

follow that rhetoric with meaningful

16:43

action. And to this statement from

16:45

La Liga, it's not just about

16:47

criminal prosecutions. I

16:50

think football has a role to play.

16:52

You can't always

16:54

rely on proving

16:56

someone's guilt on

16:58

knowing exactly who's responsible

17:00

for it. As a game, you have

17:02

to announce what

17:04

is acceptable and what isn't. Maybe

17:07

it might not be prosecuteable

17:09

in the criminal courts but

17:11

it might be enough to close

17:13

a stand. It might be enough

17:15

to send a warning

17:18

to fans of all clubs, not this is not just about

17:20

Latin America, Madrid, but

17:22

everywhere in Spanish football that

17:24

we are not standing for

17:26

this. Even if you aren't found guilty

17:28

in a criminal court, you will be

17:30

found guilty in a court

17:32

around all. And in what the

17:34

game deems appropriate, what the game

17:37

deems acceptable. That's

17:39

where the game has

17:41

to start. If criminal prosecutions

17:44

come or alongside that or as a result

17:46

of. Absolutely, we

17:48

welcome that. But you cut the game

17:50

cannot simply wash its hands

17:52

of these incidents if

17:54

the courts continue to take

17:56

as little or as hollow

17:58

action as they have in the past.

18:00

Sid Vinny Junior has criticized

18:02

La Liga before and incidents like this

18:04

have happened before to the player.

18:07

He's hoping and many are that La Liga

18:09

can take things into their own hands when

18:11

it comes to punishments.

18:15

Yeah. Essentially, the the the position

18:18

that he would take up is is what Shaq is

18:20

is explaining now that there is course,

18:22

there are limitations to what can be done at legal level,

18:24

and of course, there are limitations even to to what

18:26

the league itself can do. But the league the

18:28

league, which has always

18:30

being keen to point out that they gather

18:32

gather evidence at every game that they pass that

18:34

on, that that's given to the the equivalent of

18:37

state attorneys for for for action to

18:39

be taken. And and that the idea that they have is that

18:41

we pass it on, and that's the point at

18:43

which it goes into, if you like, a high

18:45

f sphere. But as

18:47

Jack rightly points out, and I think this is this is

18:49

vanishes his position on this as well, there

18:51

are things that football can do

18:53

outside of the legal structures.

18:55

You know, football has power within

18:58

its own organization to take

19:00

action. No, not legal action because they don't

19:02

have that power. But yes, they can take over

19:04

action. Yes, they can hand down punishments yes,

19:06

there are things that that that can be done and and

19:08

that, of course, I think, is what Vinicius is pushing for.

19:10

And it's very interesting to see

19:12

Vinicius really take this on. As

19:14

well. And and I think I think it's very, very

19:16

interesting. I think it's it's quite heartening

19:18

in a way in in the sense that the

19:20

hope that this takes us somewhere. The hope

19:22

that this changes things, that this isn't Venetia

19:25

saying it has happened to me

19:27

and I'm upset about it. It's Venetia

19:29

is pushing. And trying to force this

19:31

through and trying to make sure that he stands

19:33

up and says anything. They doesn't just

19:35

kinda take the advice of some people which I've always

19:37

thought is is is really limited and and

19:39

pointless advice, really, which is just kind of just get

19:41

on with it. But he just doesn't want to. He wants to fight

19:43

this. And I think he's aware of the the

19:45

importance of that. Now today, Of

19:47

course, we've heard we've heard

19:49

indirectly that his camp has said that

19:51

they would respond to this tomorrow because he

19:53

had tonight's game to to focus on,

19:55

of course, the game has ended with him scoring in the final minute.

19:57

And and and that had a I think the celebration of

19:59

that had a kind of a vindicate to feel to it

20:01

in a sense of of of

20:03

self vindication. And a sense of making AAA

20:05

statement. And then obviously, we'll see what what

20:07

actually is said tomorrow and where this moves on

20:09

to. And and, of course, The optimist

20:11

in us hopes that this does

20:14

lead to to some sort of shift. The

20:16

pessimist in us thinks that we've

20:18

seen some of this before.

20:19

Well, I hope it is the optimist in New Zealand's

20:21

confirmed race on this occasion. Sid,

20:23

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20:25

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Just taking a look

21:43

at the odds for our Manchester City against

21:45

Arsenal finally, we're going to see

21:47

these two sides face off. It's coming

21:49

tomorrow in the FA Cook Fourth, Round

21:51

one City favorites coming into this one.

21:53

In fact, they won all five Premier

21:55

League meetings between the two

21:57

sides scoring twelve goals in those

21:59

games. But this season, it is

22:01

Arsenal who are on top right now

22:03

as you can see when it comes to the position.

22:06

Five points ahead of Manchester

22:08

City. GOLs in Manchester City's

22:10

favor, a big part of that is Earling

22:13

Harland right goals against

22:15

us now a little bit tighter at the

22:17

back in this aspect. We're gonna welcome

22:19

in Don Hutchison to talk more about this one.

22:21

What a huge game it is done. The wait is over

22:23

to see these two sides against one

22:25

another. I can't wait. Can't wait,

22:28

Kaye, and I'm of the persuasion

22:30

where normally in an a cup game

22:32

or cup ties. I don't think it has any bearing

22:34

whatsoever what's gonna happen in the league campaign

22:36

pushing for the title.

22:38

This game I actually think it does. I think

22:41

it's a chance

22:43

for Formula to go very strong. Not sure what

22:45

his team line up is gonna be, but he knows he's playing

22:48

against Arterter, who will go strong, I would imagine.

22:50

And I think this is a psychological

22:52

game because if if Arsenal win it,

22:54

they'll prove to everyone because we'll all have

22:56

ice back in the Premier League. As soon as the game is finished, then

22:58

we'll say, ah, they've passed another test even though

23:00

it was a good competition. If cities say

23:03

win two or three nil and make it easy

23:05

and comfortable, they will all say,

23:07

oh, my wonderful awesome, I get twitchy

23:09

in the remaining games in the Premier League where they've

23:11

got to play each other twice. So I just

23:13

think this game has so much

23:15

riding Psychologically, what the

23:17

managers do, the players that are playing

23:19

against each other, it's an amazing

23:21

game to look forward to. Do

23:22

you know it's interesting that John said that because it's

23:24

something that came up yesterday whether a cup game

23:26

would have any bearing on the title

23:28

race. Don thinks it would. Do you?

23:31

I do. I I don't think what's

23:33

what's different this time around. And and I'm

23:35

a don. Normally, these cub

23:37

games don't really have that much

23:39

of a bearing. I think what's different this

23:41

time around is that neither the this is the

23:43

first meeting between these two the

23:45

season. Ordinarily,

23:47

by by now, mid mid

23:49

end of January, they they would have paid each other

23:51

at least once and just one once more to

23:54

come. So that, I I think, is is telling.

23:56

And then also, I think both these

23:59

teams, certainly also, up

24:01

up playing. The basketball has seen from them for quite some

24:03

time. City may be

24:05

not as as flowing

24:08

as it have been, but we all know exactly how

24:10

good this city team can

24:12

be. So with everything as

24:14

sick, I think this

24:17

this game more so than in

24:19

in in in in in season

24:21

gone by, has provides

24:23

a psychological edge to whoever wins

24:25

or at the very least to these

24:27

to two cultures who know each

24:30

other well, to sit down and

24:32

review especially if if both teams if

24:34

both managers name strong teams, to

24:36

sit down and see how

24:38

they maybe can get the

24:40

better of the other in those in those telling

24:42

legumes. Well,

24:43

it's if indeed it has an impact,

24:46

there'll be a subjective one. This

24:48

has nothing to do with objectivity

24:50

because objectively speaking, arsenal

24:52

has the potential of being eight points

24:54

ahead of Manchester City. AND THAT

24:56

WON'T CHANGE. WHATEVER HAPPENS IN

24:59

TOMORROW'S

24:59

GAME. SO THIS COMES DOWN TO

25:02

FEELINGS. YOU KNOW, I AM ABOUT FEELINGS.

25:04

That's I'm not

25:07

worried about you. Feelings. Feelings.

25:09

Right? And how the players

25:12

feeling? The only way that I think this has an

25:14

impact on arsenal, a negative impact on

25:16

arsenal is that if they get destroyed

25:18

by Memphis City and that puts a

25:20

doubt that hasn't been there. If they

25:22

lose to marijuana city, it can happen. But

25:24

if they get destroyed, it's a different

25:26

story. I see a arsenal team right now

25:28

that couldn't care less about

25:31

hurdles and passing tests. I see a team

25:33

that is confident that shows up to

25:35

training, excited to be there. I know

25:37

in full well that if they play,

25:40

up to their standard, up to their abilities

25:42

they can beat anybody in the

25:44

premier league. Regardless of

25:47

whether this is a ethical, primarily

25:49

whatever the competition may be. I don't

25:51

think their feelings are gonna be

25:54

heard if the game

25:56

is

25:56

competitive. And

25:57

you and your feelings. Yeah. I'm up. And what's your feeling? Feelings.

26:00

Are these two sides gonna play

26:02

a full strength teams? So they're both monikers

26:04

to do that.

26:06

I think so. I think they have 2K because of what the lads

26:08

are saying because it's it's it's got so

26:10

much emotion on it. It it can change

26:13

It can it can change everyone's feelings in

26:15

terms of what the written press are gonna say if

26:17

Man city destroyed them. Unvice versa, by

26:20

the way, if Arsenal turned up and and

26:22

Wallup Man City, then everyone will go, well, wow,

26:24

awesome, hard of a real deal, which they are.

26:26

But it depends on the score line. So I've I've

26:28

got them I've got both managers being

26:30

strong. I see Maurice up against

26:32

Ingenico could be a great battle. I see

26:34

Thomas Parte up against Rodrigo middle of the park. battle.

26:36

I think Earl and Harlem would start as well.

26:38

It depends on high quality other season. I

26:40

was watching his press conference in I k, and

26:42

he was unbelievably relaxed.

26:44

He was really relaxed. He was really

26:47

complimentary towards Mikal

26:49

Arte. He was saying when he was he's

26:51

number two. He was saying

26:53

he was always cheering the goals on when

26:55

guardiola turned round. He said

26:57

Arteva was always fist pumping him in

26:59

high five by five of him. And he

27:01

said he turned around one day

27:03

when man city banding a couple of

27:05

goals and he turned around to celebrate what

27:07

Arterra and Arteta done nothing,

27:09

and Guarriella went, it's

27:12

Arsenal. And he said, this guy loves Arsenal.

27:14

So he he was really complimentary PeP

27:16

was really relaxed. And I

27:18

I just think they have to go strong. I think if

27:20

one manager doesn't go strong and

27:22

they lose the game, It's one of

27:24

them where you go, man, you've just lost a little

27:27

edge even in the title ratio might have

27:29

lost an edge because everyone will be

27:31

talking about whoever loses this game. Not so much

27:33

to winners. So whoever loses

27:35

it. Where's

27:35

the battle gonna be won then done?

27:37

Alright. You can pick anywhere,

27:40

Kaye. You you can pick anywhere normally as a

27:42

central midfield player. I would be looking

27:44

Thomas Parte, who's who's having a season of his life

27:46

in writing up against Rodri, who makes the

27:49

game look very easy. The

27:51

foreman, I think, is

27:53

Read mentioned, Omaha, and of course,

27:55

so whether they can keep him quiet, but

27:57

Marrez up against Ingenico, that should be

27:59

amazing. But you did literally, you can literally

28:01

wear every eyes that are drawn in this type

28:03

of game. It's one of these games. If you

28:05

compensate on these games, they're easy. You just got all your

28:07

notes in front of you. You throw them away

28:09

and you watch the game unfold. Right and

28:11

front of your eyes because there's gonna be so many

28:13

superstars on show.

28:14

How do I expect the

28:16

game to actually play out, Shaq, given what

28:18

we've seen, especially be from arsenal in these

28:21

recent wins.

28:22

III think it I

28:24

I think what the logos goes goes for strength,

28:26

it normally does. And I'll be surprised if our tethr

28:28

doesn't match him, ma'am. I'm redundant. I think

28:30

both managers go go very strong. I

28:33

think you see Aston start very

28:35

high tempo as they always have. And

28:39

and put city under pressure like

28:42

nobody has done for for

28:44

quite some time. I I

28:46

just feel that that I'll start the

28:48

pace they haven't made feel the way they played

28:50

the game. How they press.

28:52

It's gonna give Citi a

28:54

test that that they don't they they

28:56

haven't faced for for for quite some

28:57

time. Is

28:58

there any chance, though, that Michel Aartetters second

29:00

guesses himself and goes a little bit more defensive against this

29:02

man sitting. No. Okay.

29:05

You wanna talk about feelings again?

29:09

If that happens, then let me tell

29:11

you, it's a reason to be

29:13

concerned. You don't change who

29:15

you are at this point. You

29:17

are leading the Premier League. Right?

29:19

Yes. And you have been

29:21

outstanding, and you've been confident. This

29:23

team feels Like, they

29:25

can beat anybody. But then you

29:27

go into that locker room and you say, hey, guys, you

29:29

know, I have a master plan here. We're

29:32

gonna be defensive. We're gonna be

29:34

passive. We're gonna be conservative. Nuh-uh.

29:36

Nope. You don't change it now. You

29:38

dance. With Manchester City.

29:40

You go into Manchester City and

29:42

you take the game to them. It

29:44

may work out. It may not. But

29:47

you not you do not become conservative because

29:49

that says a lot about what the mindset is,

29:51

not so much of the players, but of the

29:53

manager that he fears this team so much that

29:55

he's gonna sit back. I don't think that's

29:56

happening. I I think that's an absolute worst thing

29:58

that I'll touch against. Yeah. Pay Pay defensive.

30:01

I you our titans just says to Arsenal,

30:03

quote, play your game. You're

30:05

the best in team in the league,

30:07

call their shoot. Even if

30:09

you lose, you stick with that message because nobody

30:11

thinks, certainly, III don't think us are

30:13

gonna go the rest of the season winning

30:15

every single game between between now and

30:17

and and and me. But

30:19

what you have to do is prepare this team for whether they

30:21

do stumble, when they do

30:24

lose, that the the one thing

30:26

that isn't dented is that

30:28

self belief. To go out and play. You're

30:30

the best of the evening, if you lose, you

30:32

come back and say, well, we're still the best of

30:34

the

30:34

league. We just had enough difficulty.

30:36

But you don't ask them to to change this. You

30:38

you are having in in this young players

30:40

that are playing with such high level

30:43

of confidence It's almost as if you're

30:45

raining them

30:45

back. It's almost as if you're limiting them,

30:47

if you're asking them to defend deep.

30:49

You know, this this guys wanna get out and

30:51

play. They wanna go and challenge players in

30:53

in the attack in half. They don't wanna

30:55

sit

30:55

back. They have a different personality. And I

30:58

think the personality of this team right

31:00

now is we can play against

31:02

whoever. In the world, we don't

31:03

care, we're gonna show up, and we're gonna

31:06

play. And more than likely, if we play well,

31:08

we're gonna win. Meanwhile,

31:10

pay Buddy Ola Don has been pretty critical of

31:12

late with his players saying that they've

31:14

dropped their standards

31:15

recently. Have you seen that from

31:18

Citi? I think so.

31:20

In a in a season that's like no other k with

31:22

a Winter World Cup, it's hard to gauge

31:24

when you when you're thinking about the

31:26

players that are playing in the World Cup before the competition started,

31:28

you think, oh, I wonder how the players are gonna

31:30

come back, you know, compared to

31:33

the players that have been beyond rested. Well, quality of

31:35

all I set up to the World Cup. He

31:37

said, actually, the players that were playing in the World

31:39

Cup had more rhythm than the players that

31:41

were arrested. Earl and Harlan was arrested for a

31:43

for a month, and he looked a little bit

31:45

off it. I I seen a game and I

31:47

commented on the game last week where when

31:49

Guardiola left a little bit, I think,

31:51

psychologically and Arsenal might say, yeah, won the league

31:53

in twenty years. There was a subtle little but

31:55

I worked for this game. And I've got to say

31:57

the reaction from not only the players but

31:59

the fans inside the stadium

32:01

This is what Guarriola wants. He wants

32:04

atmosphere. He wants color. He wants noise. He

32:06

wants he wants as Ali said, it's the

32:08

feelings. Guarriola wants to feel the game. He wants to

32:10

feel the passion. He wants to see it. And the fans

32:12

from minute one in this game were

32:14

very very good. And in the end, it made

32:16

light work with walls because the players

32:18

responded to that. I think in

32:20

this game, you're gonna see an

32:22

unbelievable atmosphere at the

32:24

Etihad. And those might be key. You

32:26

know, the fans might be key. If there's banners, if

32:28

there's color, if there's chanting, and

32:30

there's noise, That part along the

32:32

back foot was the lad said, the

32:34

worst thing Arter could do is try and

32:36

be defensive and ask Martin a to be

32:38

defensive and Saket to be

32:40

defensive because the young players in the dressing room would see a

32:42

chink, and I think our teter's armory,

32:45

if he turned around and went, oh, we're a little bit

32:47

fearful of these today. Let's go a little defensive.

32:49

But didn't work. Everyone

32:51

would be talking about the style that he

32:52

employed, so he can't do it. He's gotta go for

32:55

it. Potentially,

32:55

it could be big game for Rolling

32:58

Harland. 111

33:00

game isn't fulfilling Holland, where

33:02

where he scores scores scores and and and

33:04

bridge record. And it It's

33:06

incredible. Just sit sit back and and witness

33:09

this man at work and how he continues

33:11

to to rack up numbers in in a way

33:13

that No nobody in the game

33:15

has has done before.

33:16

Do you think Manchester City have a point to

33:18

prove that all this season against this

33:20

arsenal side alley?

33:21

I think that they just

33:23

need to win the game and they need to play

33:25

well and they need to play up to their abilities

33:28

which we haven't seen enough of regarding

33:30

Manchester City. Too many

33:32

times, we have seen a Manchester City team that

33:34

passes the ball passes ball passes the ball, passes the

33:36

ball, but there is nothing really threatening in

33:39

the attack with as much talent as they have

33:41

available, including Erlin Holland. I

33:43

don't wanna see Erlin Holland coming short

33:45

for the ball. I don't want him receiving

33:47

the ball. center back. Stay over

33:49

there between the their two center backs and

33:51

challenge them

33:51

physically. Challenge them inside the eighteen

33:54

yard I want verticality from

33:56

Memphis City for them to be able to

33:58

find Earling Harlem with balls in

34:00

behind. Because this game will get

34:02

stretched, so tests that arsenal can actually defend

34:04

a guy like Arling Hail and Over

34:06

Space. Do those things and you will win this game.

34:09

If you don't, if you slow down the pace,

34:11

if you slow down your possession, and nearly

34:13

how one is coming deep, then this

34:15

is gonna be a long afternoon. I think

34:17

what Pebregardiola wants to see is the best

34:20

version of Manchester City.

34:22

And however that works out in the game

34:24

in terms of result, so

34:26

be it. But let us be our

34:27

best. And if we're our best, I think we're better than those guys.

34:29

To that point, I I don't think since he has

34:31

anything to prove against the arsenal,

34:33

I don't think Citillo almost has has a lot to

34:35

prove dramatically. City has a lot to prove in the

34:37

Champions League. Mhmm. III continue to believe

34:40

that that's a whole degree regardless

34:42

of how prep Gordon tries

34:44

to tries to joust out up. The issue

34:46

that Gordonola is recognizing

34:48

is you aren't gonna be at your best.

34:50

You aren't gonna prove anything in the

34:52

Champions League. If you don't maintain that same

34:54

level of cutting edge in the

34:56

league, and that's

34:58

a difficulty. getting

35:00

the fans, getting the players

35:02

to be on their best in

35:05

every single respect. Improving

35:08

something, we can recall

35:11

domestically whether it's whether it's in

35:13

illegal or the Epic Cup. In

35:15

an effort to maintain that same

35:18

sharp edge for the Champions

35:19

League. What's your prediction for

35:21

this game done?

35:22

You know what? I was glad to talk about proven things. I think man said you

35:25

need to prove it to themselves. And I think we'll

35:27

win, I think we'll respond, I think we'll

35:29

beat them, I think I

35:31

could see A31 man

35:34

city.

35:34

Ali? I'll go to

35:36

one man just a city late goal,

35:39

Erlin Hall. Comfortable of defense.

35:40

So I'm gonna go one one.

35:43

That's all

35:43

that's all good. In us. I

35:46

can't pick

35:46

a word between these two. That's

35:49

what you're bringing. That's all I've got on

35:50

this fence of mine. You're hurting my feelings. Alright.

35:53

Who's gonna go through? You

35:58

gotta make a decision at some point whether it's this week or

36:00

next week or the week after that. I'll tell

36:02

you next week. Oh, gosh. Somewhat

36:05

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every Thursday. Now in

37:55

the first match

37:57

since the World copper

37:59

ended, the US men's national team lost a

38:01

Serbia in an international friendly on

38:04

Wednesday night in Los Angeles, since from

38:06

coach, Shantanu Hudson,

38:08

gave eight players, their senior team debut seven as

38:10

starters, US in this

38:12

game. Not their best. Let's say,

38:14

two one. It finished two Serbia

38:18

for all, America's were live last night. They broke it all down so

38:20

you can check that out. Sebastian

38:22

Salazar and Hercules Gomez

38:24

always on

38:26

this show. Quite a week usually on ESPN plus.

38:28

We do have Sebastian

38:30

Salazar with

38:30

us. Oh. Here we

38:32

go. Now it's a Always great time.

38:34

Now it's a Bella, Sophie.

38:37

Alright. Let let's do a quick breakdown then

38:39

for those who haven't seen football Americans of what

38:41

went down last night.

38:43

IT WASN'T A GREAT PERFORMANCE

38:46

AND IT WAS A TERRIBLE RESULT. WE GOT TO PUT INTO

38:48

CONTACT. SERBILE HARDLY BROUGHT A SCAD THAT

38:50

BROUGHT seven teen guys,

38:52

fourteen playing the domestic league, three in

38:54

MLS, so a far cry from the

38:56

Serbian team that we saw at the

38:58

World Cup. The asterisk here is that it is

39:00

January camp. And as you mentioned, there

39:02

was a lot of guys making their debut. So you're not really worried about the

39:04

collective so much. It's a little bit disappointing

39:06

that Serbia were a very deserving winner

39:10

in this game. The US, I think, were the right loser.

39:12

They they were not the better team. That

39:14

said, there were some uplifting individual performances

39:17

is really what January camp is all about. Guys, you haven't really

39:20

seen at this level performing there

39:22

before. Brandon Vasquez's got a goal. We know

39:24

the number nine position is a a

39:26

huge position of need for the

39:28

United States, really good finish off across from

39:30

Julian Grasso. I thought Kate Cowell

39:32

was really good coming in there

39:34

off the left wing. That's a that's a

39:36

very deep position for the US, but still he's a very interesting

39:38

player. And Gaga Sonina, the young boy that

39:40

just made the move to Chelsea not really had fault

39:42

on either of the two goals

39:44

and I did pretty well when he was

39:46

tested. And Hamzah Andrzejendicas was the name

39:48

that a lot of people were looking at, the Mexican

39:50

American. There's been

39:52

kind of hug of war between

39:54

Mexico and the US for his services right

39:56

now. It looks like the US is gonna

39:58

land him. He

39:58

started. He's in mid season form. He got

40:01

the full ninety, wasn't as dominant as

40:03

I thought he would be, but there is a lot

40:05

of excitement about Alejandro Mendecas and what

40:07

he could bring Kay to the US

40:09

in the future should he officially commit to

40:11

the US men's national MOB big news from the

40:13

US soccer Federation, Jebi, and the fact that sport in

40:15

director, Ernie Stewart, is the latest to

40:18

depart. Is it just in disarray here

40:20

right now? Yeah.

40:22

It feels like a lot of overhaul for

40:24

a team that supposedly reached all their

40:26

goals. Right? Qualified for the World Cup,

40:28

got out of the group phase.

40:31

I think we have to look at the context. This

40:33

happens a few days after we find out

40:35

that that Brian McBride is not gonna be coming

40:37

back as the general manager, McBride, in a statement

40:39

that he released today. Says he's been

40:41

thinking about another challenge as far back as last October. So

40:43

that decision seems kind of independent. This

40:46

one seems like it's motivated by other

40:48

factors as

40:50

well as specifically other opportunities. Ernie Stewart now

40:52

gonna go back to Europe. He's gonna go

40:54

back to PSV. Will he be the technical

40:56

director? A very good job there at a very

40:58

important club?

41:00

In the air to busy in Europe. So it's a great opportunity

41:02

for Ernie Stewart. And I think really what this

41:04

leaves is a clean slate and a lot of

41:08

responsibility, Kaye, For the president right now, Cindy Parlow cone, of

41:10

course, Greg Berhalter, still out of

41:12

contract. She says that he is still in

41:14

the running for the national team manager

41:16

job. We

41:18

are hearing The investigation by US soccer and Greg Berhalter will wrap

41:20

in a couple weeks, so maybe we'll have an

41:22

answer right around then. But for

41:24

Cindy Parlow cone who came in

41:26

after Berhalter

41:28

after Stewart and after McBride. Right? She was the vice president.

41:30

It didn't officially take over until

41:32

about halfway through two thousand and

41:36

twenty. This is her chance to really rebuild the

41:38

structure, the sporting structure of the

41:40

Federation as she sees fit.

41:43

Seems that there's been

41:45

more fallout from the World Cup problems, though, so

41:47

being the fact that cloudy or rainer is

41:49

no longer the spot in director at

41:51

Austin FC, but he's sticking around there in a different

41:53

role. Is that right? Yes.

41:55

In an advisory capacity k,

41:58

which is classic and major league

42:00

soccer when They wanna fire you, they wanna get rid of you,

42:02

but they don't wanna do it so

42:04

publicly. They give you a an

42:06

advisory role, a consultancy role. So Claudia

42:08

Rain is still

42:10

gonna be around Austin FC in a much

42:12

less public, much less front facing

42:14

role. It's really a shame for those

42:16

at Austin FC because with

42:18

Claudia Reina, in charge. They

42:20

have built something very, very

42:22

special. One of the best atmospheres in

42:24

MLS, one of the best teams in Major League

42:26

soccer last year. They've had success in

42:28

the Internet. Market as well. So a a tough time there

42:30

for Austin FC. They had really built

42:32

this club through Claudia Moreno's great work,

42:34

and he will no longer have that

42:36

influential

42:37

role. With Austin F. See, truly one of the up and coming clubs in all Major

42:40

League soccer. His son's been having

42:42

a very influential role back in

42:46

Bundesli Gerag. And no, Debbie. I'm sure you guys have been keeping your eye on that off

42:48

the bench in the last two games and

42:49

scarring. Yeah. Is he due

42:52

for a start

42:54

or what? And and two huge goals. Right? As we look at the Bundas

42:56

league of race, the value right there.

42:58

Everybody, of course, is talking about the

43:00

celebrations. He did it after the first

43:02

goal. He also

43:04

did it after the second goal here, you see it right there against

43:06

mines. The Memphis dehigh

43:08

celebration. We, of course, remember what Greg

43:10

Berholta said at the world about the

43:12

United States. have any

43:14

Memphis to pause. They don't got dude scoring in

43:16

Champions League. Well, somehow

43:18

I think there's a connection there when we see

43:20

Giorina. Do this.

43:22

No. He's gotta

43:25

gotta love it. Debbie, thanks so much

43:27

for being with us. If you haven't done, make sure to

43:29

go and check out the latest

43:31

football Americas. There's a lot more talk like this

43:33

over there.

43:38

Well, let's gonna do it for the latest edition of

43:40

the show, but Don Hutchison is gonna be back

43:42

because these guys are going to be answering

43:45

your questions on extra

43:47

time. Power rankings? No. No power rankings. This week,

43:49

given up on that. You're too busy. He's done the

43:51

fence with everything. See you

43:53

in a minute. Welcome

43:58

into the latest

43:59

edition of an extra time. Don

44:01

Hutchison is joining Aussie now, he

44:03

seemed to have had a sleepless

44:04

night. Oh. I'll look for a little

44:07

one. There's

44:07

a rock. Back to his love. When's the pan

44:09

of

44:09

a rock and he's coming back

44:11

check. Next week. Why

44:14

did you why why is it going on a high eight? I

44:16

saw something. I just did a

44:18

little brief. Well, breaking news,

44:20

his commitment to the power rankings

44:23

is teetering.

44:25

It is actually the first question. Where are those power rankings? Next

44:28

week. Next week.

44:28

Why? Why do we have to wait? It's not

44:31

like a month that he asked whole

44:33

game that you won't decide on. Yeah. It's

44:35

in the stars key. I

44:37

thought it

44:38

was the algorithm. I thought it was the algorithm

44:40

of a fun school. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

44:42

Hold on a

44:43

second. You're saying the algorithm includes a

44:45

horoscope. Oh, yeah. Not that.

44:46

No. You just you say I'm

44:50

saying that I need

44:52

to be calm. And this is are

44:55

you worked up right now? Yeah.

44:56

Oh, let's see that. The sec. Jack off the Jack off

44:58

the top of your head, Jack.

45:00

If you're picking number one right

45:02

here right now, who would be sitting at

45:05

the

45:05

top? House no.

45:08

What's the algorithm? Is

45:09

that the algorithm? And and who's gonna

45:11

win tomorrow's game? Dror.

45:15

Gotcha. Quick question, shotgun. Did I hear

45:18

you correctly in between takes and

45:20

the show that You didn't sleep well last

45:22

night? You didn't sleep well last night. What happened,

45:24

Chad?

45:24

I don't know. Because

45:27

That's very unlike you. You are very much

45:29

a guy who sleeps very well -- Yeah. -- all the

45:32

time. Now I'll tell you

45:34

everything's off. Everything's off today. Oh,

45:36

wow. Well,

45:37

up. That's because because

45:40

you

45:40

didn't put the hard work on the power rankings. You're

45:42

entire enough. Because the stars aren't

45:43

aligned. I'm telling you wrong.

45:46

Right? When something doesn't continue

45:48

as as Ali say and everything just

45:50

goes alright. What's that

45:52

we see? It's saying

45:53

that the panel ranking should have been here and they're

45:55

not, and this is why you're not sleeping. Yes.

45:57

Oh, so

45:58

I'm not sleeping because of it. Yeah. That's the

46:00

right you didn't put the effort into the power rankings. therefore, you

46:02

were not tired enough to get a

46:04

good night. You can't beat all this. For

46:09

Don,

46:11

I'm trying to give an excuse. For

46:14

Don, what would he like to see new

46:16

castle finishing top what would he like

46:18

to see Newcastle finishing top

46:20

four or everton escape

46:21

delegation. You don't

46:24

choose one. I

46:26

knew it's gonna be possible for.

46:28

That's myles. That's a final question. Yeah.

46:31

So Well,

46:33

it's just just to save the blues, I'm gonna

46:35

have to say everton to stay

46:37

off delegation because Newcastle will have

46:39

the chance in next year. Did

46:41

I hear Don last week say that Arsenal was gonna

46:43

have some issues with Everton? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did

46:45

I hear that correctly? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do

46:47

that. Do that. Well But

46:50

even more

46:50

so now, Ali, even more so now that

46:52

Evan might have a new manager. So that's

46:54

even trickier for Arsenal Gartner

46:57

Goodison. Oh.

46:58

And then there's

46:59

a question going on. Alright.

47:00

I've got We've got we've got we've got one

47:03

extra time. Before we before

47:04

we get to that question, whoever don't sense,

47:06

put all your money on the

47:08

other one. Yep.

47:09

We have learned. I don't know what the

47:11

question is. I don't even know who

47:13

you're gonna show list. But if Dodds go well.

47:15

That's weird. Quick

47:16

lesson. All I have to see. Yeah. Given

47:18

Dodds love of Sarria, I have to ask

47:20

him this next one first. Now

47:23

ugly against Arsenal in a one off

47:25

game, neutral venue, playing at their best

47:27

huge money on. Oh.

47:30

Natalie. Alright. Now believe. Why I said

47:32

no, man. Why I

47:34

said no. You just

47:35

you just you just put in your sort

47:37

of obvious heads on

47:39

Lobocca in the middle of the park is one of the best

47:41

central midfield players out there in Europe.

47:44

Harvard Skelier has been the find of

47:46

the century. Because he's

47:48

just outrageous, an awesome man. You

47:50

build a side round. He's a one man wrecking

47:52

machine. Kim at the back has been a

47:54

great signer

47:56

from Fenibache. I would have Napoli to go tune a

47:58

lot inside the first twenty minutes,

48:00

ask to show reaction, come back

48:02

to two

48:04

one then three one Napoli. Three two, which finished four three Napoli.

48:07

Don,

48:07

one quick question.

48:10

You mentioned awesome men

48:12

who you are very high

48:14

on. You don't love it. But

48:16

yet, when it comes to men to

48:18

say night and potentially having a

48:19

striker, you would go for Harry

48:22

Cain. Oh, I see.

48:24

Not us admin then. We

48:26

got asked that question last week, Kaye.

48:28

It was Spider Man or Cain. And on

48:31

my love of awesome men, I got sucked into the

48:33

fifty fifty. And I just had

48:35

Harry Kane just because there's no

48:37

baggage, there's no he does not do

48:39

a climber to raise

48:40

it. Thirteen dot com. And just

48:42

said he didn't want the wrath of the Napoli fans,

48:44

so he didn't want to take him away from Napoli.

48:46

Yeah. When you I was being on it. I'm I'm

48:48

not love showcase. I'm actually I'm

48:51

I'm honest. I just call it how I

48:53

see it. I don't sit on track

48:55

as dense. Suppressive. Yes. Honestly,

48:57

Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic.

49:03

Thing. Yeah. Don't do. I do.

49:06

Love you,

49:06

Sean. You're

49:07

right. Oh, I love I'm sure you're gonna

49:09

sleep well tonight, Sean. So, Chuck, I had

49:10

this question. So, does Shane Anderson? So,

49:13

Don, Who would the boys hire as the everton manager?

49:15

If it was up to them, I

49:17

would pick DASH. I

49:20

would

49:20

pick John Dodge. Do you know

49:22

that Marcelo Biales never took a job halfway through a season in his entire

49:24

career? And I just think

49:26

the I just think the chaos

49:29

it ever in season. I think it'd be adding

49:32

more fuel to the fire, it'd be more

49:34

chaos. It'd be amazing flight, the neutral,

49:36

go and seen be Elsa. Go in and

49:38

play murder ball that were some

49:40

unfit players. I think shame is

49:42

Coleman sitting there going please don't be

49:44

Barcelona. I think Carla Lewis gone

49:46

pleased don't

49:48

be Maybe it's what they need, but I just think it's

49:50

Sean Daich. I think the simple the

49:52

simple appointment is Sean

49:54

Daich. She knows exactly what he's doing. It might

49:57

not be pretty. But I think it's Sean Deitch. And also

49:59

you

49:59

feel with Beel so that he's gonna go and look right

50:02

into that club if it's got everything that

50:04

he wants to manage. And

50:06

I don't think there are many that wanna take this job on at the

50:07

moment. No. So it may just be by

50:10

default that it is Sean died. It may not

50:12

even be a choice of Yves and

50:14

Sean died. I do agree

50:16

with Don in that part of

50:18

what makes Viela a

50:20

genius if if you so wanna call him

50:22

that, is that he plays this sort of

50:24

style with there. There is very little structure. And everybody goes

50:26

in all sorts of different directioners and

50:28

everybody's running around like crazy.

50:30

Because that's the last thing that everton needs right

50:32

now. They

50:34

need structure. They need consistency. They don't need to guess where they need

50:36

to be. They need to have certainty as

50:38

to where they're supposed to be on the field.

50:41

How do we close down spaces? Wing games want

50:44

nothing and get enough points to

50:45

survive? That's it. And there you go. Does

50:47

that answer the question that you had earlier in

50:49

the afternoon? Well, Yeah.

50:51

It does. Okay.

50:51

I'm agreeing with Don.

50:52

So that's a problem.

50:53

He's not he and that's not

50:54

He's not he's not he's

50:55

not he's not he's not he's he's

50:57

not

50:57

feeling it

50:59

tonight. Is he? Keeping the peace.

51:01

Mhmm. Alright. You're not you're not

51:01

them the show. It's my shock. No.

51:04

I'm gonna be tossing and

51:04

taking notes. No. I don't think

51:07

so. Jack. Jack. Shack.

51:10

First of all, I don't believe you that you did not

51:12

sleep well. What's sleeping

51:14

well? So you slept eight hours.

51:17

That's it. Seven dollars

51:19

and forty five

51:20

more. Well, there you

51:24

go. See. Certainly no. No. No. No.

51:26

That is all. Check

51:27

out your side

51:28

sleep or front sleep or a back

51:31

Oh, he's

51:31

a he's a sleeper. Period. Yeah.

51:34

Yeah.

51:35

Fab. Front sleeper,

51:38

generally. Okay. Since you asked? It's a good choice. For

51:40

Shaqa, Alay loves Pedro and Don

51:42

Lozosseiman, is there a singular player

51:44

that you are over the moon

51:46

for that's playing right

51:48

now.

51:48

No. No. I

51:52

go.

51:55

It's too much thinking in it. Yeah.

51:57

That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of people. Just said to one in my

51:59

ear, who every time we bring him up, you've always

52:01

been defending him and you're always happy when he's doing

52:03

so well

52:05

Kaiosaka. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like I

52:08

like by Kaiosaka. I like

52:10

Marcus rushford. Especially

52:14

because of what

52:16

they endured post Europe and and

52:18

how they how they responded. And

52:20

and Bakayo Sakai, I think has been

52:23

has been a poster boy for

52:25

so much. For

52:27

Don, do you think Jesse Marsh will get

52:30

himself in

52:32

hot water signing another American and turning leads into

52:34

team America.

52:36

He's after Western Mckenney. I

52:40

don't know. IIIIII

52:43

can see them slipping, you know. I'm I'm I'm

52:45

not sure a bit I'm not

52:47

sure what's happening there at least because initially when

52:49

he went in after BLs, I think he actually

52:51

done quite a good job, would have slipped

52:54

into their bad old

52:56

ways again. There are a team that you wanna watch because you're not sure if they're gonna

52:58

win a game four three or lose a game

53:00

four three. Defendlessly,

53:02

he's not too many things.

53:04

I like him.

53:06

And I like Western McKenney. I'm just

53:08

not sure it's gonna solve their problems and they

53:10

might slip closer to the bottom

53:12

three. The last question -- Mhmm.

53:14

-- this is one that everyone can answer.

53:16

It's Marina's sixtieth birthday. Mhmm. So in

53:19

honor of his birthday. What is

53:21

everyone's favorite moment of his that

53:23

you've seen? Cool. That'll let you

53:25

have

53:25

a little thing. So anything that stands out

53:27

to you, Don Jose Moreno? Yeah. Just loads. I've

53:30

seen someone put something up

53:32

on social media today that was on the

53:34

Jose's best was

53:36

the one where he called himself a

53:38

special one obviously, but I think I like the

53:42

one where him and Nelson Bengo were at it, and they

53:44

were really at it for a period of time. It is

53:46

when he's a specialist

53:48

in

53:48

failure. Anything

53:51

that

53:51

sets out to you? Sure.

53:54

I I interviewed Joseph. Yes. He

53:56

did. But

53:57

to go. Yes. And

53:58

I think it was both mine

54:00

and Joseph Ramirez, highlights of

54:02

our respective careers. Alliant of

54:05

you Jose Moreno. So that would be saying that it wasn't a

54:07

highlight of his career when I interviewed him

54:09

Shucker. Yeah. That's

54:10

right. That's exactly what I'm saying. Can

54:12

I

54:12

in on the fence there? Right?

54:14

He said to me he said to me, this is so

54:16

so much battle that we're clear that you know.

54:18

That's what he what it was as explicit as

54:20

I

54:20

said. Yeah. What he's not telling you is that

54:22

Shack has always got higher for some He got really close

54:25

to just him with both. All of a

54:27

sudden, he on

54:29

my line, when I'm saying that

54:31

you started rubbing your belly chaka. Where

54:34

you or where are you not going like this

54:36

when Jose Moreno was talking to

54:37

you. I don't remember. Oh, my we have that

54:40

video. We have that video somewhere. We gotta

54:42

get that video. You were rubbing your belly

54:44

for no apparent

54:44

reason. I don't know what's it.

54:46

A lot of meat. Checkat. Are you

54:48

busy mates? No. No.

54:49

We're not we're not busy mates. III

54:51

was a little Yeah.

54:54

I was a little impatient. You see you see how

54:56

the voice gets

54:57

tired. The

54:57

voice gets tired. And

54:59

there and

55:01

there goes the belly. Yes.

55:05

Hello. Definitely space

55:08

things

55:08

up when he came to La Liga, especially that feuds,

55:10

well, that rivalry should we say with Pepco

55:13

yellow is brilliant. Wasn't it? Well, but at the first

55:15

time. I think the the background there is that

55:17

Jose Moreno used to be a

55:20

coach with Barcelona. And and

55:22

and and an assistant coach under Robert

55:24

Robinsons. And so it's he

55:26

was supposed to be Barcelona,

55:28

born in Brad sort

55:30

of thing. And then you

55:33

start thinking about when

55:35

inter eliminates Barcelona from Champions

55:37

League, and he's around the camp

55:39

now. That created and laid

55:41

the foundation for whenever

55:44

he became the real

55:46

manager that there was always

55:48

gonna be tension everywhere.

55:50

The biggest problem for Giuseppe

55:52

Morigno while he was with the

55:54

Albiree is that Barcelona were playing at

55:57

an incredible level and they were knocking the ball around

55:59

and they were changing the the way that

56:01

the game was played not only

56:03

in the league, but around

56:05

the world. Nobody was saying, hey, you guys wanna play, like,

56:07

Morinio's team? No. You wanna play,

56:09

like, Barcelona. You

56:12

wanna a play like Péguour de Yord. And that think created

56:14

even more tension. It was

56:16

it was Barcelona and their

56:20

style against Mourinho trying to break through with his

56:22

own style, and his style was not only

56:24

physicality on the field or defending on

56:26

the field, win

56:28

in the press conference. And we started

56:31

seeing rhetoric in press conferences

56:33

in La Liga that we we

56:35

hadn't quite seen before. PeB

56:38

had to win on the field. Maurizio

56:40

was trying to win in the press

56:42

conference. He did change the mentality of the real Madrid play.

56:44

So in that, because they'd start to fear Barcelona.

56:46

And I know that a lot of people have

56:48

got things against Moreno, but I feel that that's one

56:50

thing that he did switch in

56:53

that real Madrid squad I know this

56:55

because I was there at the

56:55

time. There it is. Let

57:00

me finish.

57:01

What a time to be there? It was when

57:03

Jose Mereenio came in. I was going to leave

57:05

real madrid TV before that, but then I heard

57:07

it was gonna be Jose Mereenio. I was like,

57:09

you know what? Stick around a little longer. Mhmm. And it was worth

57:11

it. Anyway, happy birthday, Jose. Six years

57:14

old today, the special one. Hope you've

57:16

had a great day. Thanks so much for

57:18

sending your

57:19

Jincen. We'll do it all again soon. You know,

57:21

he's not watching, Rake. Thank you. He's

57:23

a good episode.

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