In this episode, we talk with Simon Shepard, CEO of Optima Life. Often described as a nuisance, Simon is a Chartered Physiotherapist by profession and has been head of health and performance at Lord's Cricket Ground since 1991.

Simon brought along Phil Jackson's "Eleven Rings" to our conversation, which inspired a wide ranging discussion on many topics, including:

- Acceptance that people need to be given space to work effectively- The importance of encouraging talent to find the time for space (avoid obsession)- Being at peace with yourself