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Welcome to Ethnically Ambiguous, a production

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of I Heart Radio. Hollo. This

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is ethnically ambiguous spooky

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belated addition, this is shrine.

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This is so

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buckle the funk up. We are

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recording this on Halloween, and

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I've been saving a bunch of Gin facts

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to share with you guys for a while, so I

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thought, why not, perfect opportunity. This

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episode is a spooky episode. I talked

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about Gin and um,

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what these beings are and the different

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types and what they do. And that's not the alcohol,

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it's the genie esque figure in Middle

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Eastern folklore, mythical creature lore.

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And then I talk about some spooky buildings

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in the Middle East, and then I get freaked out and

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kind of stop talking about that. I

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jumped ship because I start to creep myself out.

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And then I talked about certain ghosts

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that have hunted the Middle East for you is

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but not the kind of ghosts you

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thinking a wild

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wild ride, So don't go anywhere,

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amniking. Listen. Who are we? Where

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are we tough? Who do we

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become? What is it to

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be? What to be is

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it? Where are who

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are my parents? Where

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are my nats? Why

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are we born? We

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are ethnically

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ambiguous. We're

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rolling, We're rolling, rolling, We're

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rolling. You guys are listening to this

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on Monday, but we're recording this

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on how do we a

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spooky child? You are hiding

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a child? You're

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heard here first, I have a littlegitimate kids.

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I'm well, that's okay. So what happened was

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I was quoting the story of added

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On, which was that push a t dis track

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to Drake. I always just found

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that line so deeply cutting because

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it's so real that I was like, it's almost too inappropriate

2:13

for a distract because it's it's not

2:15

like you're like your mom's your headlines, so

2:17

no, it's like he just actively goes you are hiding

2:20

a child. You're like, oh, it's

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a statement so articulate, there's

2:24

no attempt at being subtled. Yeah, there's

2:26

no like metaphorical narcism. You

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are hiding. And so I said that

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out like the country and was like, come on, like

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that bit's not like you you do that. It's

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a bit where I'm hiding you

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are hiding a child. M

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Yeah, I was pushing d dissing Drake. Are you

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my passes? Started like,

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I don't know, I wonder if anyone else made

2:51

that connection when that disc came out, I was like, sure,

2:54

sure, No, that's such a deep cut,

2:56

like there would have to be like a true listener

2:59

fan and who also was following

3:02

that beef at the same time. And

3:05

it also is dressed like a strawberry

3:07

today. It's very adorable. Your beret is not

3:09

on your head because you are wearing head I had to I

3:11

can't wear the beret with the headphones, but you

3:13

are still adorable. I don't have a lot of effort

3:16

today, but I am wearing a skeleton T shirt

3:18

and a giant bright orange

3:20

sweater. So I can be a pumpkin hunting

3:22

or a safety cone or yeah, or can go hunting

3:25

hunting for some mushrooms shrewman anyways,

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Oh, you're like a truffle pig. I'm a truffle

3:30

pig. You're sniffing out them.

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Oh I don't really understand that neither, Like

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why, like you need a certain type of truffle

3:38

hunting pig to find the truffles. So that

3:41

means no, okay, okay,

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you wait a second. All

3:45

these motherfucker's in these restaurants being like

3:47

truffle fries. No, just

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a mushroom. There's no way that that these

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people are all fine. I think half this truffle

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is fake. Well, you know all with Sabby in the States.

3:57

Is it real with Sabby? I believe that, But

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like it's the same thing. I think it's the same kind of thing, where

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Like we assume if we order

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like, well this is top to some trouble

4:06

flakes, we assume it's truffle. But I'm sure it's

4:08

like not always. I feel like it's hard to get truffle.

4:10

You have to take a pig out. They're very expensive,

4:13

yeah, and then you have to buy it from the truffle

4:15

hunter pig runner. Whoa

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you are hiding a truffle. I'm

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very excited because on

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Saturday, I'm going on a

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road trip with my friend, like a rock

4:29

star. Her name is Abby Weems, and

4:31

I've always wanted to do that road trip up the coast

4:33

all the way to like Seattle in Portland, and I'm finally

4:36

doing it because I really think, deep

4:38

down my soul belongs

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in the Pacific Northwest. I don't know what it

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is. I've never even been there, but I've always

4:44

been so fascinated by

4:46

like the forests and like Oregon

4:49

and Washington State, and I just cannot

4:51

wait to be up there. So I

4:53

just can't wait to go. I

4:55

just can't wait to keep running from my responsive

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way. I just figured it out. What

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you want to be a vampire? Oh

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my god, because

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you would need to live where there is no sun.

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But they're an

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accent, that's right, like

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like a Transylvanian like I want.

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Yeah. Anyways, I think I just really

5:22

like to leave l A to avoid my responsibility.

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So this is just another example of me doing that, but

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like running away literally, but

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I'm still excited. So we're

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doing this belated even for

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us. It's perfect because this is Halloween, but

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this is our spooky episode that we should have recorded

5:39

last week. But I kind of think it's perfect for

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today. Um and

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uh, that's kind of feel like Halloween's lasted

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a whole fucking month anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Oh

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my god. It was pretty funny last

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night. I had my Victory Lap variety show.

5:54

It's a live should I do once here? And Halloween?

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And my host set w Owen.

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He hosts the show as Dracula,

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and one of the comics asked him if he was Israeli.

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Why just because I guess

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the Israeli accent and

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Dracula sounds similar. That's strange.

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Yeah, I I never thought about what response.

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He didn't respond. He was off stage at that point. He

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is he Israeli's strange. I think

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she was doing a bit that his accent was anti

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Semitic in a way because it sounded

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Israeli, but at the same time on her. Yeah,

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at the same time, it's like, no, he's just pretending to be Dracula.

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You're you're making that connections.

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It's also he's not like a professional

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voice actor. He didn't go study

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with the voice people, the voice people

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a voice coach to perfect this Dracula

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accent for this dumb little

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show we do. That's funny, that's

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weird. I'm not gonna name the comic because I don't

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want I don't want name names. But it

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was Dane Cook. It

6:56

was Louis c K. But that being

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said, I hope you guys had

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a lovely Halloween. Safe Halloween.

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Um, As someone that I'm not, it's really hard for

7:06

me to be festive or like give effort to

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holidays, So but

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I hope you guys had fun. I actually hate

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Halloween. I just I'm not a really a holiday

7:17

person. I don't like Google as people.

7:20

I think it's like, I don't know, don't

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try to be a ghool around me. Okay, cool,

7:24

that's a good word though rol

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where my Batman hits at Rosolgools

7:30

just a character in Batman. Anyway, should

7:32

we get into this, there's a too early should just keep bullshitting

7:36

and it's yawning. Everything so

7:39

boring. It's

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just been a long day. It's actually been a long week of

7:44

long it's been a long two weeks. Actually, yeah,

7:49

just because I was out late last night and buy

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out late it was like eleven pm. But then I had

7:53

to come home and do all my work that I didn't

7:55

have time to do that normally I would do when I was at

7:57

the show. And uh, then

8:00

I had to take a shower, like when there's a late night

8:02

when I am showers and which

8:04

I don't like to do. But I also don't like to take a shower

8:07

in the morning because then I have to leave with my hair wet, because

8:09

I don't make the effort to blow drawn my hair because then

8:11

I would have a like Princess Diaries

8:14

post or pre makeup.

8:17

That's how me. My sister is systhetic and we watched that

8:19

movie. We're like, that's just us. Was like her

8:22

pre makeover is just what I look like. Yeah,

8:24

I was like, my parents aren't offering too straight. I

8:26

don't know what. You know what we don't talk about

8:28

that often. What fucking thing did they

8:31

do to straighten that hair out? What was serum?

8:34

It was the cheese strainer. The cheese stranger was all the Raine

8:36

back then. But it stays straight

8:39

kind of unless you're like a humidity

8:41

or like get it wet. That's why girl

8:46

Genovia or something. Yeah, Genovia.

8:48

No, like they permanently strained her hair,

8:51

that's probably what they My sister did that. My older sister

8:53

got like a what's called a Brazilian blowout,

8:56

right, but those arely Japanese Carroton

8:58

treatment. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's what it is, And

9:00

it's permanently strains your hair. It

9:02

permanly strains your hair, but like when it

9:04

grows out, it gets that's right, but

9:07

but at the same time, like it can really damage

9:09

your hair, so I would I wouldn't do it,

9:11

I think. Um, So

9:13

every time her hair grew out, even a tiny bit they had

9:15

to redo that. I think that's a plot point they

9:17

should touch on. They should. It's a little late, but

9:20

it's a little late. They should really do that. And

9:22

they're trying to just act like all of a sudden, she got like silky

9:24

s straight hair after having like a poof

9:26

monsters, no like b side of her, just

9:29

like every minute, just like terrified

9:31

of getting it wet. Yeah,

9:33

which is really true because she could have committed

9:35

that murder. That's a it's

9:37

a legally blond reference. Remember

9:40

the girl who like the accused of

9:42

murdering her was like, and then I took a shower And

9:44

then she's like, how could you have taken a shower if you've just gotten

9:46

a perm Rule Number one of perming

9:48

is you don't get it wet until whatever twenty

9:51

four hours deep

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cut. I'm talking about to many movies.

9:56

Move ease, let's get

9:58

a move on his podcast. I

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good at segways, yet I don't know. So

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I'm obsessed with Gin and I was raised

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Muslim. Even if you weren't raised Muslim, and

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your arab a Middle Eastern, you've probably

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heard of Gin and Jin. Are

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these beings that I've always

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heard about growing up um in Arabic

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school and in the mosque, and my mom

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and dad, especially my mom, she would always

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have these like legends and

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and kind of folklore about these beings.

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And so there's this person on Twitter

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that I'm obsessed with following

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he has. He's a writer, assistant professor, and

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historian of the Middle East and Islam. He

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talks about Muslim politics, gender and

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Islamic terrorism and folklore.

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And he's the host of the head on History podcast.

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His name is Zili Alomi.

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And he has all these threads on his Twitter

10:48

about certain things that I

10:50

mean, like if they're just so interesting,

10:52

like the hands. He has a threat about angels in Islam.

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He has a thread about different kinds of

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gin, and so I kind of got stuck in this

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whole because he has several threads on jin

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and I want to kind of dive right

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in because as far as spooky stuff

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in the Middle East and in Islam and

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Middle Eastern folklore in particular, jin

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are a huge part of that. Uh. They're

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either if you want to look them up, they're spelled j

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I n N or d j

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I n N with a silent D. So

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I'm just gonna dive right in and tell you guys about gin.

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So in Middle Eastern and Islamic folklore,

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the belief is that Jin are an invisible

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race that simultaneously our spirits

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and living entities. They interact with

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humans and a variety of eerie and fascinating

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ways. And so I'm going to talk

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about Jin possessions, marriages,

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and abductions first. So the Gin

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are said to interact with humanity in a variety

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of ways, and they're characterized as visitations

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influenced possession, marriage,

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and abduction. The most common experiences

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visitation. Curious Jin are

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said to walk among us and visit. They

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generally take on an animal or human form

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and show up. It is said that they will appear

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as a strange animal like a cat or a dog

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or a snake, or as an unusual person,

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and they can be identified by something being off

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about them, which is, it says, usually their

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eyes. In this form, they're generally

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just here to observe, and one can ask

12:12

them to leave if they appear inside the

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home forcefully but with

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respect. I remember

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when I first heard about gin growing up, I

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was told it was kind of like they're always around,

12:23

but it's a it's a dimension that we can't see,

12:26

so like there can be gin in this room right now.

12:28

There can be a gin looking at you across the room,

12:30

but we can't see them, but they can see us.

12:33

So as a kid, that's always freaked

12:35

me out because it was like I'm never alone

12:37

and you're already or never alone to grow up with a religion

12:39

because like God's always watching, but um

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for the gin. I always imagine

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them as a kid, it's just like a dimension that I couldn't

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see into and I don't know why in my head

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even though they're not ever like explained,

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I was never told what they looked like, but I always

12:54

imagine them in a certain way like kind of these like squat

12:56

little beings and yeah,

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I don't know why. I imagine them

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like predator

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aliens whoa really Yeah,

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I never imagined them that spooky looking. It was almost

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like they're just like I don't know, a

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darker idea of them. I was. I

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always I was always really freaked out. And every

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time we would see like a I don't know,

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like an interesting looking cat or a dog, you'd

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be like I kind of did I really

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like I just kind of either thought it was like, oh, there's something

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off about this, they must be taking

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the form of a human or like sometimes if I'm like

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walking like down a street

13:30

and someone looks I mean a certain way,

13:33

or it's just like spacing out, I'm like, oh my god,

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they're fucking gin. But anyways,

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you think, I mean like I did growing up,

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and you kind of do. So a more malicious

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encounter kind of like this is what

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I kind of imagine,

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like a demented genie, because

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I think because I was always told they are

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just like us and they have their own communities

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and everything that we just can't see them.

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I kind of didn't. I never imagine them

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too scary, imagine kind of weird looking,

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but I never imagined them like monstrous.

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I just can't see him. So a more

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malicious encounter is through psychic influence.

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The gin can quote whisper, and this is

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called what's what was

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this interesting? Because at least

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in my family, and like other air families

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that I've seen, you say like was was was

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for like a cat when you try to get the cat's attention. I

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think every culture has a different noise for

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cats, But what was is like a

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whisper kind of noise, and the shy than

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than means devil in Arabic, but the

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devil jin the shrethon engine. They lead

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you into temptation and doubt. This

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whispering was seen as a subtle but persistent

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influence stemming from the outside. In

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a Slamic tradition, one guards

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against the whispering through prayer and cleansing

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and recitation of the Koran. It

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is said that this type of influence caused Adam and

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Eve to stray.

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And the gin can also be more

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direct and the physically moving objects

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and hiding things to cause confusion. So

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sometimes like if you misplace your keys,

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maybe then a gin put them in a different place.

15:05

I feel like there's an explanation with

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gin regardless of what happens, whether

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it's like you something moved and didn't

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move before, you can't explain something as

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far as like for me, I always like resorted

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to be like, oh my god, the gin's involved. There's

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a folk practice that treats all missing objects

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has stolen by the gin to have them

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returned us too much to

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have them returned. A short invocation

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is recited, followed by quote tying the tail

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of the gin until it returns the object.

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A more aggressive encounters possession, and

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though they're invisible, the gin are not without

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a body. One story says that

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El Lazali he saw a jin

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as a shadow like being, so as

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shadow we smoke like creatures that can enter

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into bodies through offices or orifices

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and cracks. It is said that possession

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has caused for three reasons. A gin

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binder has set the gin to do it,

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the gin has been offended, or the gin isn't

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of And exorcism rights vary,

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but always it always has something to do

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with a reciting chronic prayer

16:07

combined with vocal practices, so

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a lot of these are religion ameshed

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with folklore, and

16:15

some local variations include offerings

16:17

like Talsman's and other things

16:19

that's more like uh, I don't know,

16:21

like spiritual and symbolic, but

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most practices involved three steps

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find out who the gin is as far as exercism

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goes, find out who the gin is and what they want to, try

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to negotiate in reason with the gin, and

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then forcing it out with spiritual pressure, and

16:35

then finally cleansing. So the whole gin

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possession is viewed as a traumatic experience

16:39

and orthodox views, but not all cultures view

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it the same way, and Egyptians are

16:44

practices. Possession is intentionally invoked

16:46

by having gin. There's a gin called

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Sofia, Sefena and others.

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They take over the body for healing purposes. So

16:53

it's not always evil. That's the thing my mom always

16:55

told me is that they're not evil beings. They're

16:57

just like humans. They can be good and bad,

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like I was always told, they're just like us. Like when

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you go to Arabic school and you're a kid, you're you're

17:05

told that Allah made three

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three kinds of beings, humans,

17:10

angels, and gin. And angels

17:12

are the only ones that they don't have free will out of

17:14

these three. So humans and gin are similar,

17:17

like they're the exact same thing as far as free will.

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We just can't see them and they can see us, and they exist

17:21

in a different plane. That's how I always understood

17:24

it, and that's usually what you're taught

17:26

in like an Arabic school or Islamic school kind

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of setting. In Morocco, similar

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legion are invoked in possession

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rights. There's genia called Lala

17:35

mera. They're considered benevolent

17:38

beings whose possession brings blessings

17:40

in sights and healing possession

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is also tied to Jin marriages. Jin

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fall in love just like we do, and they take

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what they want. A Jin who is in love

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might possess a person they must

17:51

then be negotiated with, but relationships

17:53

in the other way are also possible. Muslim

17:56

scholars have to rationalize the legality

17:58

of such unions because in some mystic

18:00

circles such marriages are sought after, but

18:03

almost always with the human male and a female

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gin, based on the idea that they can have

18:07

a gin wife and a human wife. And

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then finally there are abductions. The

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gin are easily offended, especially

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a type of gin called an e fret. If

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you abuse an animal or you show a flip

18:19

attitude towards the natural world, this

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carries the risk of offending the gin. One

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famous story stated that a man offended

18:25

a gin by spitting out the seed he was chewing

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on, and he

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was abducted. In some instances, the

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Jin could possess the person as punishment or

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could abduct them. The gin hold

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courts where they determined the guilt or innocence

18:39

of the person, just like human courts. Gin

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courts are said to be vast, and there are also

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stories of gin raids taking victims

18:46

out in the wilderness. One such captive

18:48

was someone who was gone for so long that when he returned,

18:51

his wife was already remarried. So

18:53

upon questioning, he revealed how the gin drank

18:56

the foam of the water. There's just so many

18:58

different things, like I tried to pays them all together.

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The jenner also said to abduct children

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and infants. These stories share

19:07

much with changeling legends, and

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in return, humans can take the gin to

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their own courts. Among Sufi's

19:14

and Morocco, a Jin who has possessed a person

19:16

can be taken to court and spiritual

19:18

authority of a religious ship. So

19:21

then Ali Alumi, who started

19:23

this threat, on his Twitter, he says that historians

19:26

should explore like the intersection of

19:28

these lores with mental health and

19:30

science and gender, because

19:33

a lot of these discourses are pretty related to those

19:35

things. Something that I found interesting

19:37

that he added on later was that there

19:39

are certain boundaries that the gin can't cross.

19:42

For instance, if their appearance happens to be a

19:44

source of harm to a human, they will be held

19:46

accountable for on the day

19:48

of judgment, so I

19:50

was always told and like this is similar to what

19:52

he's saying here that Jin are not allowed to

19:54

interact with humans usually,

19:57

but they could observe us. So that's that's

19:59

something that always kind to freak me out, is that, like I

20:02

was always under the assumption that like a badgen will be

20:04

the one to interact, but usually it's like they're minding

20:06

their own business. They they're always here. They just

20:08

can't interact with us because they're not allowed to, like God

20:10

says, they are allowed to even

20:12

though they have free will, and some are still evil.

20:15

So again, these racism visible

20:18

beings. They populate the world as

20:20

both a benefit and benevolent

20:22

beings and malicious spirits. Many legends

20:25

they talk about their ability to cause destruction,

20:27

chaos, and harm. And when we get

20:29

back from a quick break, I want to talk

20:31

about the gin who caused some calamities

20:34

and illnesses spooky stuff.

20:36

So we'll be right back and

20:46

we're back, okay, the gin

20:49

who caused calamities and illnesses. These

20:51

are badging. It's

20:53

a Jin called l Hira. They cause

20:55

nightmares and it'll ease at night.

20:57

The sinking feeling and the irrational fear

21:00

of the dark are said to be Ilhira's whisperings.

21:03

The Moroccan Hajada is a female

21:05

jin who haunts watery places and appears

21:08

as a beautiful woman or a red dog with

21:10

a woman's head. She can frighten her victims

21:12

to death, and she's associated with a

21:16

Moroccan jin called Candia.

21:20

From Morocco to Sudan, there's a dozen of

21:22

jin's called some

21:24

of benevolent and some are famed deductresses

21:27

like this one jin in particular. Others

21:29

are associated with madness like Rubala

21:32

and this gin causes people to lose their mind

21:34

and disrupts the home. A gin called

21:36

Tabbia causes death of children and as

21:38

related to the gin m as Sobian,

21:41

which is an Arabic translates to mother

21:43

of the boys. And this gin causes

21:46

like a couple to be sterile or sudden

21:48

infant death syndrome habba,

21:51

and both

21:53

of these gin affect children are the under

21:56

the age of two. So a

21:59

lot of these legends are kind of just

22:01

in my opinion, like people trying to explain

22:04

like tragedies by different

22:06

kinds of gin and different claims. Because of the gin

22:09

Tessa don't Amron, this jin

22:11

appears as a mule in the cemetery.

22:14

It's particularly known in North and West

22:17

Africa. The terrifying jin Cabus

22:19

is associated with sleep paralysis, nightmares,

22:22

and nighttime emissions. Corena

22:24

is a lilith like gin and it's

22:26

reputable to cause a sleep paralysis.

22:30

Dun Hash is said to be the king of the gin.

22:33

He's fearsome in appearance and he's crowned

22:35

and sometimes has wings. He causes

22:37

stuttering and the sudden loss of pregnancy,

22:40

and he's mentioned in the One Arabian

22:42

Nice as a defeat and Mura

22:45

is a pre Islamic underworld deity.

22:48

This deity later became a gin that

22:50

causes plagues and diseases, particularly

22:52

in illnesses that come with heat and fever.

22:55

The Jinhuma was believed to cause fevers

22:57

and people, and this gin is usually described

23:00

as having three heads and

23:02

a rocky folklore. A gin called

23:04

Dammy is a female ogre

23:06

like gin associated with filth, disease,

23:09

and blood. She may have some connection

23:11

to pre Islamic Mesopotamian spirits.

23:13

Another gin called Ferji

23:16

is a mostly harmless trickster

23:18

who messes with river folk. He

23:21

can cause sudden weaknesses and horses

23:23

cool trick, Cool party trick. Desim

23:27

is one of the sons of iblis the devil

23:29

in Muslim culture or oblist

23:32

and if you're saying with Arabic accent, and

23:34

Destim causes domestic upheaval by

23:36

driving inhabitants crazy. His

23:39

brother was Sin also causes anxiety

23:41

and grief, and their other sibling, Tear, is

23:44

a gin of calamities and madness

23:46

is. In Malaysian folklore,

23:49

a gin called Bijng is a spirit

23:51

that appears as a

23:54

cat and it attacks and kills

23:56

children, and it causes convulsions and delirium,

23:59

and is found as a miller or a familiar

24:01

spirit of sorcerers. With the coming

24:03

of Islam, some view this

24:05

jin Bajung as a local type of gin.

24:08

In the deserts in the Red Sea or near the Red

24:10

Sea, there is a dog like gin

24:13

called da and this gin affects

24:15

the genitals of sleeping travelers

24:17

with disfiguration or it devours them.

24:19

Jesus Christ, the demonic gin some

24:22

Mum is described as a hot, lethal

24:24

wind or poisonous wind that brings

24:26

disease and death. This

24:28

gin is a pre Islamic monster, likely

24:31

drawn from the Hebrew Semile and

24:33

later Muslim commentators treated

24:36

him like a gin or fiery windy

24:38

source from which the gin were created. Many

24:40

of the disease and calamitois

24:42

gin are associated with wind and fire, especially

24:45

the Egyptian of feet. In Moroccan

24:47

Sufi circles, they're associated

24:49

in referenced as rayah, which

24:52

means literally wind. There's

24:54

also some connection to older mythologies and folklore

24:57

Mesopotamian entities like the Puzzuzu

24:59

and the lam Asu. These are just entities

25:01

like that have like different um

25:04

like the head of the head

25:06

of a human and like the wings of a of

25:09

an eagle and YadA YadA. So there's just some

25:11

connection to that folklore. But the belief

25:14

in gin causing diseases it existed

25:16

alongside advancements in medicine, which is

25:18

really interesting. The same world that gave

25:20

us medicine had room for these

25:22

spirit caused illnesses, just

25:24

like early modern European

25:26

medicine. So it's

25:29

just interesting because there are so many brilliant

25:31

medical texts that show that jin caused

25:33

illnesses back in the day, even like toothaches.

25:36

There's also a gin in Bangladesh.

25:38

In Bangladesh, apparently jin's are believed

25:40

to eat raw fish meat and bones,

25:43

and are fond of traditional Bengali

25:45

sweets. The sweet sales people in

25:47

Bangladesh strongly affirmed that the

25:49

ideas that Jin come to sweet shops

25:52

late at night in human form to buy sweets

25:54

is like factual. So there's

25:56

also like a whole section and a different thread

25:59

that I put on his Twitter

26:01

about like Jin King's

26:03

and it's just so fascinating, and I

26:06

I feel like I'll save that for another time because

26:08

I could just talk about this forever. But

26:10

there's like Gin, different kinds of Jin kings

26:12

or like Gin that are identified

26:15

by name, like the one in Morocco che Handisha,

26:18

and it's just like so fascinating.

26:21

So she's a female mythological figure

26:24

and Moroccan folklore, and

26:27

she's one of a number of folklore characters

26:29

who are similar to Gin, and she has

26:31

a distinct personality which is also typical

26:33

lu Gin. But she's typically depicted as a

26:35

beautiful young woman with the legs of a hoofed

26:38

animal like a goat or a camel, and

26:40

there's some debate if she's actually a Gin or just like

26:42

a type of spirit. She's imagined as

26:44

a beautiful woman with alluring eyes and long black hair

26:47

and so it's like it seductress like.

26:49

But yeah, I think I'm going to end there for

26:52

now. Maybe I'll revisit this eventually because I still

26:54

have so much other things and the Gin are

26:56

just so fascinating and I didn't

26:58

even know all of these different types of in until

27:00

I read this thread. And so I'll put

27:03

Alomi's Twitter handle in the

27:05

footnotes so you can look at his other threads because

27:07

they're so interesting, and I'll probably talk about

27:09

his other threads like angels and stuff in the future

27:12

because it's just fascinating and

27:14

jin have always freaked me the funk out,

27:17

so like low key, even

27:19

though I don't believe in a lot of things, I kind

27:21

of still believe in GIN, which is like just shows

27:23

how much it like affected me as a kid. They're

27:25

always watching, They're right here right

27:28

now. Anyways, Yeah,

27:31

I wanted to talk about the I

27:34

found this list online and it's called the seven

27:36

Haunted Places in the Middle East. Spook.

27:39

I don't know how haunted these places really

27:41

are, but they were like interesting, weird abandoned

27:43

buildings that people seem to think are haunted.

27:47

The Haunted House of Jedda, which

27:49

is in Saudi Arabia, and

27:51

they say the most haunted house and Jedda stands

27:53

hundred meters or so from the sea seafront

27:56

on the North Corniche Corniche.

27:59

I don't know. It is well known among the expatriot

28:01

communities in Jeddah. Taxi

28:04

drivers don't go near this house. People

28:06

say that it acts as a magnet to young people.

28:09

Arab News has reported that sixteen people

28:11

have entered into this house and never came out

28:13

of it. That's weird. External

28:15

world does not even know where they have

28:18

gone till today, and the government does not

28:20

take any action against it despite several

28:23

complaints by the residents of the area. That's

28:26

really weird. I don't like. That

28:29

doesn't make any sense. No, it's a research

28:33

susy guys.

28:37

Oh yeah, yeah, there's a whole article

28:40

about it by Arab News, which is

28:43

just a news source. But I don't know how legit

28:45

Arab News is. But I

28:47

don't know. Must be haunted

28:50

if Arab News covers it and tells

28:52

you not to go in there, all

28:55

right, Well, you can read up further

28:57

in our footnotes. There's this

29:00

lace called Jazzerrat al Hamra,

29:03

which is the ross alhaima ghost

29:05

town in UAE, United Arab

29:07

Emirates. They say, people

29:09

say, if you go there, you're bound to see some spooky

29:12

stuff, usually jin jin's in

29:14

the form of some animal, maybe a goat

29:17

or a large cat. Tales

29:19

of strange noises, chilling whales,

29:21

and unexplained operations are

29:24

shared in huddled whispers around Magules's

29:27

there's too many eyes and Jay's and camp

29:29

fires across the country. Jositamra

29:33

does mean the Red Island though, which

29:35

is interesting. Ah well,

29:39

apparently it has a reputation for being haunted.

29:41

Like I was saying, Um in the

29:44

fourteenth century is when it

29:46

was established, and it was once a thriving

29:48

fishing and pearl diving village of over

29:51

three thousand houses and thirteen mosques,

29:53

and then it was suddenly abandoned in nine Yeah,

29:59

that's really weird.

30:02

They say it's a hot bit of gin activity.

30:06

And like I said, there was chilling whales and strange

30:08

noises. So

30:10

these people who were like ghost hunters decided

30:12

to go there, and they went there at to thirty in the morning.

30:15

Many of the friends were too spooked to

30:17

go in the village. But this person who's

30:20

writing this, they went in. They

30:22

were about twelve people in three cars, two SUVs

30:25

and one sedan, which is specific.

30:27

Yeah, it's also a lot of people to go in boats.

30:30

So they left like one of the cars outside

30:33

the village on the main road, and

30:35

they all got into the two SUVs. The

30:38

person rights I couldn't have mistaken the sheer neglect

30:41

and the complete seclusion of the place, the

30:43

crumbling walls of the once lived in homes,

30:45

the narrow, sandy alleys that meandered

30:47

around the village. The walls of the derelict

30:50

village were made up of shells and corals

30:52

and sands that were peculiarly

30:55

read. It was quiet except for the

30:57

sea crossing against the shore. The

31:01

village is a maze of narrow streets and

31:03

narrower alleyways, covered in a thick

31:05

layer of sand, punctuated by mounds

31:07

of rubble and prickly overgrown bushes.

31:10

The place was truly very creepy.

31:13

The alleys are so narrow that when

31:15

you look out of the car window, you're

31:17

faced with a dark black interior

31:19

of one of the abandoned houses. We

31:22

reached a large clearing in the middle of the village

31:24

where we decided to get out of the cars and snap some pictures

31:27

of the old houses. We were entering

31:29

houses together and taking pictures. It was funny

31:31

to see how nobody wanted to be left alone, even

31:33

the ones that didn't want to get out of the car because

31:35

they didn't want to be left alone in the car. A

31:37

few of my friends decided to get their picture taken in

31:39

front of the old fort. The camera

31:41

was a diggy cam, and when she clicked the picture, she

31:44

showed us that there was what seemed like a shadow

31:46

holding my friend around his waist with

31:48

his head on my friend's chest. We

31:52

were freaked out and tried to click a few more photos

31:54

of the same scene, trying to get that image to

31:56

show up. Well, nothing came up in

31:58

the other pictures. There were no other

32:00

lights or lamps in the village, and the only light

32:03

came from the moon in the camera flash,

32:05

so we didn't know what to make of the picture. Yeah,

32:09

and then they were like, yeah, then we continue to explore.

32:11

The atmosphere was very unwelcoming,

32:14

they said. While exploring, we came up on a house

32:17

which we entered in each and five

32:19

of my friends and myself had the same reaction.

32:22

We had felt like we were punched in the gut and had

32:24

the urge to throw up. We ran out of the place

32:26

as we could see the shadows emerging from nowhere,

32:28

and thought that this was enough of ghost hunting

32:30

for the day. We got in the car and everyone was still

32:32

complaining about having the worst stomachick ever. We raced

32:35

out the village and came up on the main road and started to feel

32:37

a bit better. WHOA, no

32:40

inclusion of the photo. No, that's

32:43

just sucking tease. Yeah,

32:46

well, but also creepy

32:49

kind of asking for it going at two third day and though I

32:51

know that's that's

32:54

an hour. Another

32:56

place that's haunted in the Middle East is Lebanon's

32:58

Deserted Hotel. Mm hmmm, I

33:01

said. The hotel was supposedly been built

33:03

between five but

33:06

during Lebanon Civil War it was deserted.

33:08

Armed religious groups occupied it, and

33:11

stories of kidnappings, torture, and murder and

33:13

death were the daily news in those times. All

33:15

these stories were connected to this hotel, where

33:18

armed men would kidnap people, torture them

33:20

and murder them inside. The owners tried

33:22

renovating it after the war, but that didn't work

33:24

out as they thought it would people were

33:26

reported to be hearing voices and strange

33:29

sounds in there, so it was closed down for

33:32

good m hm. There's

33:39

a whole article about someone going uh doing

33:41

a ghost into investigation there, which you guys

33:44

can read in our nice in

33:46

our what is it called? And

33:48

then there's the mystical wall of Bala

33:50

in Oman. It's

33:54

a wall, it

33:56

reads. This desert oasis on the Arabian

33:58

Peninsula said to have been home to jins

34:00

or genies who live in the palm groves

34:03

and empty stone houses in the city center.

34:06

Legend has it that one of these spirits

34:08

built a wall a city wall, in one

34:11

night, and whenever they tried to renovate

34:13

it, it is said to fall down in other areas.

34:16

The floor is currently closed for renovations.

34:21

Wait, that doesn't make sense, So then they can't renovate

34:23

it because it falls apart in other areas.

34:27

How many more info in it's

34:30

a spooky wall. It was built by

34:32

I guess a gin in the middle of the night. A

34:35

gin, cat gin cat right.

34:37

Another creepy place is the building

34:40

of Alexandria, a k Rushti

34:43

building, which is in Egypt. It

34:47

is said that this building was cursed during construction,

34:49

since it has been built over the Holy Coron

34:53

and that is why supernatural happenings

34:55

occur here. It is also said

34:57

that there was once a cop that has been in

35:00

the building while he was attempting to prove the surrounding

35:02

residence that nothing resides in the

35:04

building. Nobody really knows a true story

35:06

about it. What we all know is that disembodies

35:09

screams can be heard from inside at night. Do

35:11

we all know that disembodied

35:15

screams us creepy? Dude,

35:18

that's creepy. That's creepy. And

35:21

then um my final home not

35:23

home, Haunted building Dubai's

35:26

Spooky Building in United Arab

35:28

Emirates. It's called Dubai's Spooky Building.

35:31

That's pretty funny. Yeah,

35:33

I guess they don't have a real name for it. Getting

35:35

right to the point, For well

35:37

over two years no one lived in building number

35:40

thirty three in al quas Alhaile

35:43

Gate Community. Okay, the

35:45

owners put it down to maintenance is use issues,

35:48

as did the watchmen m but

35:51

those who lived there said it was much more than that.

35:54

A resident told Express there

35:56

had been stuff toothbrushes, mobiles,

35:59

items that seemed disappear. Then turn up

36:01

somewhere again later. That's the fucking gin

36:05

Three suicides have taken place in the complex.

36:09

What

36:15

no, um,

36:18

I don't truss that ship. No going

36:20

to smooky building. It's called the Spooky Building. There's

36:23

more in found that that I'll also put The thing

36:25

is, these are all so long and they're so fucking convoluted

36:28

that I just honestly wasn't gonna there's too much

36:30

information to keep putting out and being like what

36:33

happened? Actually, there's one more I

36:35

didn't realize Gizas Burning

36:38

House in Egypt. Each

36:40

just had a good amount of them creepy

36:42

ship going on there. But Egypt like a long

36:44

history, there was just a lot of time going

36:46

on. The culture is rich.

36:49

You know. I'm

36:52

sure that's a couple of pharaohs. You know, Pharaoh goes

36:54

around, who

36:56

knows, the pyramids

36:58

probably haunted for sure. Tombs,

37:01

but the slaves that had to build it the

37:04

tombs, I guess I made a movie about

37:07

it, The Mummy. That's true. We

37:09

really do like to take things and make it racist.

37:11

Okay, So this building,

37:14

Gizas Burning House in Egypt, it

37:17

turns out there's a particular place not far

37:20

from Giza that catches on

37:22

fire during Arabic months.

37:24

That's creepy. No one knows how

37:26

the fire start, However, there's

37:29

reason to suspect as to why it happens.

37:31

It turns out that the owner's daughter is able to

37:34

communicate with the dead and pretty much

37:36

talks. That took a

37:38

turn. Apparently the spirits warned

37:40

her ahead of time and before the fire actually happens.

37:43

That way, no one is harmed in the process.

37:45

What the fuck? This is? What the

37:47

fuck? I'm sorry, I shouldn't just be like screaming

37:50

what I need to examine this

37:52

article you're rooting from? They all

37:54

like link off into further like

37:56

like evidence space ship. Yeah, like

37:59

the actual articles they're based off of. It's just

38:01

like a listical list that I pulled together with more

38:04

links that further expand.

38:06

But then I realized, like if I were to try and explain

38:09

every single one of them, would I would just take up the four

38:11

hours. So I was like, I'll just go through the list and then if you want

38:13

to know more about a certain place, that's

38:15

on you to go Creepy Crawley figure

38:17

out. Listicals are helpful sometimes.

38:20

Also, I don't like that word, but listical.

38:23

Should we take one more break? Yes, but really

38:25

quickly. I want to talk a little bit further about

38:27

the Geeses burning house because um,

38:29

creepy Crawley,

38:34

it's too much to really understand.

38:37

It's too creepy. So this,

38:39

uh, the

38:42

first of all, why does this daughter of

38:44

the building speak to ghost and

38:46

why is she so? It's no secret

38:49

like everyone knows she's like like the this

38:51

a median. So okay,

38:54

if she can talk to ghosts or whatever

38:57

spirits, why

38:59

can she tell us why they're burning

39:02

it or who's setting it on fire? That's

39:04

a good question. Good cute, That's what's creepy.

39:07

All. These are pretty creepy because they're just like unexplainable

39:10

occurrences like things go missing and

39:13

fire start and voices

39:15

are heard. Oh apparently this says that

39:18

this happens also in the movie The Mummy, so

39:21

they may have pulled from like a real life thing. Interesting

39:24

h m hm. Anyway,

39:27

those were the seven

39:30

weird creepy places in the Middle East

39:32

that if you ever want to go ghost hunting, now you know where

39:34

to go. I am

39:37

dude, which an hour? That's

39:40

is that? What that is? I know? I just like I feel

39:42

like, if you're gonna go ghost hunting in the middle of the

39:44

night, you're going to get spooked, even if it's a completely

39:46

innocent place. You

39:49

know. Well more break, Yes,

39:52

let's take a quick break. We'll be right

39:54

back. Yeah,

40:03

and we're back. We're back really

40:05

quickly. I want to go back to

40:08

the first place, the Jeddas

40:10

hunted house, so

40:13

they say, in the dark

40:16

after hours, the

40:18

shabab comes out about

40:20

three in the morning. Shabab sabab

40:23

bab means young men in Arabic. Mm

40:25

hmm, well maybe they're young men ghosts. Yeah,

40:29

it says, small cars filled the exuberant young men

40:31

looking for something to do, someplace to

40:33

hang out. Okay, that's

40:35

creepy. The reaction to this Jedda

40:37

house was one of false bravado.

40:40

It took full hour before even one of them got near

40:42

the open gate, and then it was

40:44

only to run back to his friends, jeering from

40:46

the cocoon noise and cigarette smoke in the car. Eventually,

40:48

after much egging on by their colleagues,

40:51

two of the sterner friends came through the gate

40:54

as far as the patio stood for a few seconds,

40:56

then returned to the safety of their

40:59

known world. None

41:01

breached the sanctity of the front door, surrounded

41:03

by like graffiti and stuff by previous visitors.

41:06

It's really creepy. We

41:08

saw no ghosts and goals, but then absence

41:11

of proof is not proof of absence. We did,

41:13

however, see self inflicted fear at

41:15

work, the power of persuasion and bravado

41:17

powered by boredom. We also came to respect

41:20

why the place was haunted, because

41:23

they were like, what, whoever haunted

41:26

it must have had a reason too,

41:28

which is apparently some old lady who used

41:31

to live there has been haunting that place.

41:35

God, that's what shabab means. It's just

41:38

like the young men come to like creep around

41:40

because they're board. You

41:42

say an abera, but

41:45

that's like what they're called, like the young men ghosts.

41:47

Yeah, they call it a magnet for the shabab who

41:51

are drawn to its creepy

41:54

walls and creepy threshold

41:56

and creepy building, creepy structure,

42:00

magni for the ship. I still understand,

42:02

like how sixteen people entered that building and

42:04

never left. We're just gonna actually, we're

42:06

not gonna look into it. Yeah, it's

42:08

just like one sentence and that's never addressed why

42:12

are they missing one group

42:14

of sixteen people? Wasn't one at a time? Like,

42:16

yeah, I guess one at a time. I mean maybe one

42:18

or two were together. But interesting.

42:21

I want to talk about another thing though, and

42:23

it's the five ghosts that hunt the Arab

42:26

were creepy

42:30

crawleys m h. And

42:33

one of them, creepy, creepy,

42:36

creepy is the ghost of Napoleon

42:38

Bonaparte. Really, yes, I

42:41

know was the last day with what you were going to say, because

42:45

his invasion of Egypt and initiated

42:48

over two centuries of continuing foreign

42:50

military interference across the entire

42:52

Arab region. That's hilarious. That trend

42:54

has reached a new peak in the past six years in Syria,

42:56

where half a dozen major regional and global powers

42:58

are actively at war with their own armies

43:01

or by supplying local proxy forces. No

43:04

region in the world could have withstood over two centuries

43:07

of NonStop external military interference

43:09

with the political interference that accompanied it. Internal

43:12

and regional wars in a climate of very high

43:14

Arab military spending continue to propel

43:16

countries back into dilapidated conditions

43:19

every few decades. And that is

43:21

the ghost of Napar.

43:27

Here's another ghost, the ghosts of Theodore

43:29

Hurtzel and Arthur James Balfour,

43:32

two men whose actions capture the genesis

43:34

of the century long conflict between Zionism

43:36

and Arabism. This continuing

43:39

conflict has incalculably set

43:41

back the Arab quests for development, rights and stability

43:44

in many ways, including um

43:47

by basically rooting Arab national development

43:49

in favor of military needs, allowing

43:51

military regimes to assume power, and delaying

43:53

the development of civilian led pluristic

43:56

democracies. This conflict emerged

43:58

simultaneously with the Arab quest for independence

44:00

and sovereignty sovereignty a

44:02

century ago, and then thus the Zionism

44:05

Arabism battle between Israelis and

44:07

Palestinians has been seen

44:09

by many Arabs as a much wider and older contest

44:12

between the forces of foreign dominations and indigenous

44:14

liberation, liberation and sovereignty.

44:17

M hm, yeah, so that's

44:20

the ghosts of the Hutzeland.

44:22

Author James Balfolt I

44:26

didn't really say what they did exactly, but just kind of give

44:28

you an idea of why there's and

44:32

there's the ghost of Mustafa kemal

44:35

Ataturko. That's the old Istanbul

44:38

airport. He was the Ottoman soldier

44:40

who became the father of modern Turkey and

44:42

a model of the secular nation state

44:45

in the Middle East. That secular

44:47

nation state model has not worked very well

44:49

and much of our Arab region because it

44:51

has never fully provided citizens with the material

44:54

and emotional services that they expect

44:56

from their state. Most Arab states

44:58

either perched procuriously on edges of fragmentation

45:01

in civil war, or persist because

45:03

authoritarian governments hold things

45:05

together by force and lack

45:08

of civil citizen political

45:10

rights. Yeah.

45:12

I mean, that's just like the entire Erab

45:15

Middle East region is built

45:17

on an aggressive false hope. A

45:21

little little by

45:23

the way, this is all from the Cairo Review. Interesting

45:27

to me. Egypt, there you go again, another

45:30

ghost, the ghost of Gamal abdel Nasser,

45:33

whose nineteen fifty two revolution

45:35

in Egypt ushered in the catastrophic modern

45:37

legacy legacy of military officers

45:40

forcibly taking command of civilian governments.

45:42

Yeah, we did an episode about him a couple months

45:45

ago. These military government says

45:47

sees power through coups across the Arab

45:49

states Iraq, Egypt,

45:51

Syria, Miam in Libya,

45:54

Algeria to Nigia, Somalia.

45:58

I was trying to do a thing, and others have turned

46:00

these countries into hollowed rex that are now the

46:02

world's greatest sources of terrorism

46:05

and refugees. I mean that's

46:07

kind of extreme to say that. No,

46:10

well, I mean it was the first of its

46:12

thing, I guess. But everyone loved him. He was

46:15

like, he's not a bad guy, but

46:17

he set a tone. Bro, he set a tone.

46:19

I mean, I'm still a fan though, but so controversial.

46:22

His ghost haunts us. Okay,

46:28

uh, and then the ghost of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald

46:31

Reagan that is so absurd,

46:34

whose unbridled free market capitalism

46:36

in the early nineteen eighties triggered a brand of

46:38

economic globalization that valued

46:41

financial mobility and profits above

46:43

the rights of workers and and well being of

46:45

citizens. This global

46:48

wave quickly dominated policymaking

46:50

and most Arab countries, whose authoritarian

46:52

government's never developed a serious, diversified

46:55

and productive economic base and thus could

46:57

not resist the demands of global powers that they

47:00

realize Arab economics for the benefit of global

47:02

capital, which is true because the

47:04

world all has to work together. But I

47:06

don't know if they're like, huh complicated.

47:09

I think they just like named some figures

47:11

that like funked us over. Yeah, No, I mean

47:13

that's what it is. They're just there. The work is

47:16

haunting us in the sense that they set

47:18

the tone. Yeah, and they they're the dominoes

47:21

are still falling because of them kind of thing, like we're

47:23

still feeling the effects of their of their lives.

47:26

Yeah. So it says the result is visible today

47:28

in many Arab economies that cannot meet

47:30

their citizens basic needs and desperately depend

47:33

on cash handouts from friends and international financial

47:35

institutions. In the meantime, their own citizens

47:37

suffer from deteriorating educational sectors

47:40

and labor markets dominated by informality,

47:42

poverty, and widening disparities. Many

47:45

other trends, of course, shaped the Arab region

47:47

in the past two centuries, such as the impact of oil,

47:49

very high population growth rates, and environmental

47:52

stresses. But these five ghosts that personify

47:54

wider trends strike

47:57

as capturing the most important

47:59

factors that ex plaine y are region. Why

48:02

our region? Why the region is so violent

48:04

and unstable. It is also impossible

48:07

to separate these elements from each other. They form

48:09

an interlocking system of domestic, regional, and

48:11

global forces that together they have

48:13

made it impossible for any Arab country to break

48:15

through from the constraints of nineteenth and early

48:18

twentieth century colonial domination

48:20

to the promise of modern, stable, productive statehood

48:22

that is genuinely sovereign dud.

48:25

And just to be clear, this was written by Rommy Jay

48:28

Corey, who is a Senior Public Policy Fellow

48:30

and Professor of Journalism at the American University

48:32

of Beirut and a non resident Senior Fellow

48:35

at the Harvard Kennedy School Middle East Initiative.

48:38

So if you've got a problem, tweet

48:41

at him for writing this kind of funny article

48:43

that I really enjoyed because I just love the

48:45

idea of like lugos

48:48

of Dutch. All she's

48:51

watching is

48:53

that creepy a little bit. I

48:55

think the housing stuff was too creepy for me. That's why

48:57

I best really hard. You get scared?

49:01

Did you believe in ghosts? I

49:04

don't know. Have you ever had like a supernatural

49:07

experience? Um? My

49:10

most supernatural experiences growing

49:12

up is that I was able to dream things that then

49:14

would happen. That happened to me, my family too,

49:16

and it happened to your mom right she can see? Yeah, Like I

49:18

feel like like low key, I can do it too, but she's

49:21

more so. It hasn't happened anytime recently,

49:23

but it happened a lot when I was a kid, and I never

49:25

questioned it because I was like, that was weird. And then I just

49:27

moved on because I was a kid and saying

49:30

I always thought it was just really intense da javo.

49:32

But then I realized, like, oh, I've already dreamt

49:34

of this. Yeah, Like I had a dream

49:37

that I was going to wear my white short. I think I've

49:39

told this story before. I was in Ohio visiting

49:41

family friends and we were going to see her point

49:43

it was like that giant amusement park, and

49:46

I had a dream that I was going to wear my

49:48

white overall shorts which I was going to

49:51

and that someone would also be wearing them

49:53

too. And I woke up and I come

49:55

out the family friend, the mom

49:57

comes out and she's wearing the same ones. That

50:00

one I'll never forget because I was like that was fucking

50:02

weird. And that's when I was getting a little older and I was like,

50:04

Okay, that was weird. But it's happened

50:06

a few other times where I've been like, really creeped

50:08

out by it. But I don't really think any further

50:11

because I think my supernatural

50:13

experiences are just tied to like really

50:15

intense dreams, really intense deja vous.

50:17

My mom is a big part of it, like superstitions

50:20

and the like an airb folklore huge

50:22

part of it. I'm not sure if I believe in ghosts.

50:24

I think I believe in like something

50:27

at large being like

50:30

around us, or like something

50:32

bigger being a factor and everything.

50:34

But I don't know if it's it's a ghost or it's such more

50:37

just like I

50:39

don't know. I think that's

50:42

the thing because I have a

50:44

slew of like mental

50:46

health issues like depression, anxiety or whatever. I

50:48

think I've had hallucinations in the past, and

50:51

I think I've seen ghosts, but I can't

50:53

trust my brain, so I don't know. Yeah,

50:55

I don't know. I don't think i've ever physically

50:58

seen a ghost. Well,

51:00

there has been times when I've been in Iran

51:02

at my uncle's house after he passed, that I

51:05

can like feel him there, but like

51:07

it's not like anything where I'm like uncle are,

51:10

but like I'll be like looking at something

51:13

and I'll be like he's here. He can see me. He's

51:15

watching over me. But I don't even say that's

51:17

like a ghost. Is more just like I can feel his

51:19

energy in his home, which that I mean, I

51:22

guess it's more. I think it's more

51:24

about like being able to send certain things.

51:26

And there was actually one moment

51:28

I can remember specifically when I went. It was right

51:31

after we landed in Iran, after we heard he

51:33

passed, and I walked in and I was

51:35

just looking at his photo and the memorial

51:37

in his like flower stuff, and

51:39

it was just me in the living room of his house,

51:42

and I fucking felt him there, like it

51:45

was something I can't even explain. I don't

51:47

even know, but like it was like a rush came over

51:49

me and I knew he was there.

51:51

I think it's real. I believe it's

51:54

real because I felt it, like there was something I'd

51:56

never felt before that

51:58

like hit me that I was like, Oh, that's what that is,

52:00

when you feel like you can feel someone like I just

52:02

felt it, like he's here, he knows I came

52:04

to see him, and he was like almost in a way, being like thanks

52:07

for coming. Everybody, thanks

52:09

for coming. He's being like, oh,

52:11

thanks for coming. But again,

52:14

the reason why Jin always always like really

52:16

struck a chord with me, or just superstitions

52:19

in general and arab in Therabic community

52:21

and everything and all the stories my mom

52:23

used to tell us growing up, especially

52:25

my mom being like low key, Like, I

52:28

really do think she has some type of connection to this other.

52:30

Like I don't know, that's like sixth cents thing,

52:32

because there's so much and i'd like to think

52:34

that I like have a little bit of it too, because there's there

52:36

are some things that can't explain. But maybe

52:39

that's just me wanting to be special so bad, but

52:42

I don't know. I I

52:44

hope you guys liked talking about gin and

52:46

stuff and listening to all these spooky little things.

52:49

I want to talk about them more. There's a there's a whole

52:52

thread that I'm compiling about dreams

52:55

in Middle Eastern Islamic culture,

52:57

and I'm obsessed with dreams of

53:00

Carl Young and what dreams have to do with

53:03

our daily lives. And I really do think

53:05

like the dream realm is kind of

53:07

tied to something

53:09

supernatural. I'm not sure what, but I don't

53:12

know why I find them so related. Maybe because deja

53:14

vu is so such a big part of

53:16

my mental journey, but

53:18

yeah, I don't know. Supernatural

53:21

always really fascinates me because it's

53:23

something you can't explain, but also makes me

53:25

mad because you can't explain it. Kind of like magic because

53:28

it can be explained, right, But like if I if

53:30

I if someone doesn't magic trick and I don't get it, I get

53:33

furious. But you know that it can be

53:35

explained. But if I don't understand

53:37

it, if no one tells me, I'm still so mad.

53:41

Magic makes me mad. I like

53:43

it, but I'm just mad that I don't understand it. Right,

53:47

But yeah, let us know in like

53:49

the comments of our Instagram and we post this or even

53:51

Twitter, like if there's anything spooky in your culture.

53:54

I love hearing about different superstitions

53:56

and different folklore and the different

53:58

things your parents, like you would tell

54:01

you growing up about weird things

54:03

growing up. Here's what I learned from Night Call

54:06

was that a plant dying

54:09

just suddenly means that it it

54:11

like sacrifice itself because it was like an evil spirit

54:13

in your Who did I tell you this

54:16

one already? You did tell me that, and I was like, that's what everything

54:18

dies in my apartment, spirits.

54:22

I mean, that's what you're surrounded by gin. You need

54:24

to be careful. You could easily be turned to the

54:26

wrong light, the dark one. But

54:28

the gin aren't necessarily evil, remember, they

54:30

just like there's like us, I just don't trust

54:32

it. If your plants are dying,

54:35

that means that maybe it just means

54:37

that I can take care of living things. That's

54:39

also true, but commitment

54:42

is not. I always remember that

54:45

my parents was always my mom was always like, don't

54:48

listen to the evil gin in your ear. Really,

54:51

yeah, it was like the same

54:53

concept of like how we see in movies

54:55

like The Angel and Devil on your shoulder, Like

54:58

the gin can get into your ear and convince

55:00

you to do evil because there are mischievous

55:02

gin. That's what I was always scared of, is

55:05

evil gin convinced me to be a bad

55:07

girl, and I was

55:09

a bad girl. Okay, there're gin

55:12

which was just devilish gin Shaton,

55:14

which is funny because shayton shay

55:16

tune in FARSI means like

55:19

troublemaker really means

55:21

devil in Arabic. Oh my god, troublemaker

55:23

shady tune. Like, I guess it could also be the same

55:25

thing. It's the same concept, but you're being

55:28

like someone who is causing trouble

55:31

because yeah, mischief, like a mischief maker who

55:33

knows they're being like bad, yea like

55:35

self aware. I

55:38

got called shade tune a lot growing up. Really they're

55:40

always like she's so shay tuned, but the whole

55:42

sentence she shown,

55:45

they're like, wow V sha

55:47

tune V. But

55:50

yeah, I stuff just fascinates me to no

55:52

end, And like I I don't know,

55:54

it's just so it's so hard to like tell your

55:57

like white friends or people that aren't Middle Eastern

55:59

just like how spooky stuff

56:01

is or like, I don't know, even

56:04

me explaining it to you, I don't think you realized.

56:07

Like there's a certain image in my head that I have

56:09

had since I was a kid of what Jin looks

56:11

like the fact that they they're in this other

56:13

dimension this whole time. I think the fact that

56:16

I was, I was told

56:18

all these stories growing up maybe makes me more

56:21

Maybe I believe supernatural stuff

56:23

more easily because it's

56:25

normalized, you know, like

56:28

Santa Claus always seems fake, but Jin signed

56:30

me up. Yeah, well, Santa Claus wasn't

56:33

something you were necessarily

56:35

like taught about as like immigrant

56:37

kid, you know, like I never really thought about Santa

56:40

Claus. There was some time where you know how like kids

56:42

when you're young will tell stories about Santa Claus and

56:44

you believe them because you just don't know any better. I

56:46

was the kid that was like, everyone knows it's fake, right,

56:48

Like I never like I thought everyone

56:51

knew it was a fake thing. And then when I said that in

56:53

Classic On in Trouble, I didn't know anything

56:55

about anything because, like my parents weren't talking to

56:57

me about Santa. So I'd be like, what is this Santa

56:59

everyone keeps telling about? Because we didn't really celebrate

57:01

Christmas, But there was a certain few years when

57:04

I had some I was a shay

57:06

tune that my parents gave us a few Christmas

57:08

Is with a tiny tree, but like I didn't

57:10

get it, and people would be like I hung out with Santa,

57:13

and I'd be like, how do you meet Santa? It's

57:15

like in the mall and on his lap, you

57:17

know, like they were I think they were just lying there was because

57:20

their kids. But I was always

57:22

so confused, like how are these people in

57:24

meeting Santa? Like who's this bro?

57:27

Like he comes to your house and you get to like hang out

57:29

with him? Like I didn't get it. That's

57:31

so interesting. I don't know, Like me and my

57:33

sisters, I'll agree that like we kind

57:35

of grew up. Maybe we were too logical when

57:37

it came to white ship like Santa Claus was

57:39

just as hilarious to us. It's like the tooth fairy,

57:42

Like we never believed a fairy came and

57:44

gave us money. We always knew, like my mom

57:46

would come and give us a quarter underneath our billow, like we

57:48

always like when it came to certain white things,

57:50

we were so logical about it. But when

57:53

it came to like mythical Islamic

57:56

folklore, we were just so spooked.

57:58

Like I think I told a story before were but I

58:01

remember my mom having to tell me she was a tooth fairy

58:03

because I got freaked out that something came into my room.

58:06

I was like, what the funk? We can't have this. She was

58:08

like, no, no, it's not real, and I had to be like, are

58:10

you sure who's in my room? We

58:13

called the police, Like I remember being freaked the funk

58:15

out, and I was like, because I found that. They told me

58:17

like put the tooth under your pill and maybe

58:20

something will happen. And I was like, yeah,

58:22

okay, and you believed too hard. But that's

58:24

the thing is, I didn't know as a tooth fairy.

58:27

I was just like, that's weird. Maybe it grows into

58:29

a plant. And then I woke

58:32

up and there was money under my pillow and I was like what.

58:34

And then I took it to my parents. I was like what happened? And they

58:36

were like the tooth fairy came and I was like, what,

58:39

holy sh it, why did you let in this house?

58:41

You know, like I was concerned that we had had cat

58:44

burglars or something who looked funny like. I was

58:46

like, what do you called the police or to fall report? We

58:48

find out what's going on, check the cameras,

58:51

CCTV around the neighborhood, you know.

58:53

I was like, we can't trust people. You lock the doors.

58:56

My parents like, no, we dif

58:59

it was. We were different kids. I had

59:01

a little box that I collect in my teeth in. I'm

59:03

sure you do. Yeah, that's why I was.

59:07

Actually reminds me of a Day of Gold joke where

59:09

he says he's just this old man

59:11

calling his kids being like, hi,

59:14

guys, what are you doing? While he

59:16

likes slowly drags

59:18

his fingers through an envelope full of his

59:21

children's baby like the

59:23

creepiest things, like they were just so smooth

59:26

to each tooth was so smooth and

59:28

nice. Whatever, it doesn't matter anyways,

59:31

I sold mine all. Yeah,

59:33

Precious Ivory. You know, he always grew up

59:36

here in about Ivory being like the tusk

59:38

of the Like I

59:40

always like just assumed, like if the tusk

59:43

of an elephants and precious, so are my fucking

59:45

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