In this episode, Russell speaks with Dr Frans Cronje, CEO of the South African Institute of Race Relations and the Centre for Risk Analysis. He lays out his view on how ANC ideology and factionalism resolve the seeming paradox of the ANC pursuit of a lockdown strategy that is likely to damage its popular support. Frans explains why corporate South Africa keeps failing to oppose bad ANC policy and predicts a haphazard road out of lockdown lasting into the final third of 2020. 00:00:00 – Key Point 1. The COV19 lockdown economic disaster is a net negative for ANC popularity. 00:06:55 – Key Point 2. …But the ANC is committed to socialist ideology and patronage.00:13:07 – Key Point 3. …And the socialists and securocrats aim to use COV19 to advance state power.00:24:13 – Why corporate SA didn’t resist the lockdown.00:28:00 – What will the road out of lockdown look like?