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Like Martha Stewart the one and only
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time she messed up a recipe, we're
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gonna swear. Please. Be advised. Also,
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a quick note about our scenes. Some
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fictionalized scripted dialogue has also been added.
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For dramatic a narrative cohesiveness. This
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old. Album makes me remember
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so many things in the past.
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San Francisco and the House on Steiner
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Street where. I was born. It's
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nineteen fifty and nine year old Martha
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Stewart is laying on her stomach in
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front of a twelve inch black and
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white Tv. A huge smile spreads across
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her face As the opening credits for
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her new favorite show Mama start to
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roll, Martha watches with excitement as a
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big Victorian house comes on screen. The
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house is regal and grand and located
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somewhere in the fire off city of
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San Francisco. It's nothing like Martha as
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working class house and New Jersey. She
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shouts that one of her youngest. Brothers
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to be quiet. She's a second child of
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sex and there never seems to be a
1:06
minute of quiet in their house. To be
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fair, there wasn't a minute of silence in
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my house. Have three kids so I can
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only imagine poor Martha as while having met
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to of the three of you I understand
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that. Martha
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schools across the rug and turns up
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the volume on the Tv. The white
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glow lights up her face and for
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a minute she forgets where she is.
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Martha loves escaping into this Tv family
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where everything feels happy. And secure whatever
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obstacles they face. A always come together
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at the end of each episode. Just
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and Dad comes home from another
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day of sales. Grumpy as usual,
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he walks right pastor and disappear
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into the kitchen. Martha
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winces as she hears her dad accuse
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her mom of laying around all day.
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Her mom shouts back in Polish that
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dinners not ready because the stove broke
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again may be Etti could update the
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kitchen like he said. What? Martha.
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Cover your ears and tries to fall back
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into her show for parents. Arguments always come
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down to money. They never seem to have
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enough of it. Martha's.
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Dad appears in the doorway. A second
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later, he orders her to shut. Off
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that noise and com dinner she takes
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one must look at the happy family on.
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Screen before she turns it off. The
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table or mom piles tuna noodle
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casserole in front of her. Martha
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scratches her nose. Is the
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third time they've had it this week, but
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she doesn't have a choice. In
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this family, you eat whatever put on your
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plate. Nether. Reaches for Role
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and apps are nice to slice it. But.
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Her dad yells at bread should never be
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sliced. It's meant to be torn. That's
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how classy people do it. And
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classy people are covered in crumbs all the time.
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better and shrill just like me. So I guess
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on classy. But
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Martha's a good daughter. She sadly nod
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her head and starts tearing her brad
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into Little Chance. She watches her dad
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shovel casserole into his mouth. She looks
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around at our brothers and sisters and
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their homemade close. Her mom has a
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cigarette in one hand and a beer
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and the other. I can't
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imagine any a female. Martha
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once a comfortable home life of
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that family on Tv. She wants
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the big house, the loving parents
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and the good food more than
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anything she wants a war and
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security though things provide. She
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loses herself and a daydream as she
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chews on a piece of stale bread.
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She doesn't know how, but one day
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she's gonna get a life she wants.
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Do anything. And
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through her hard work and steely never
5:50
say die attitude she turns her falls
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into an international brand. Will
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that be enough? This is
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episode three. Nothing. It's
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the late 1960s in Manhattan and
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Martha Stewart is greeting a client
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as he steps off the elevator. She's
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working as a stockbroker, but you wouldn't know
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it from her outfit. A tight
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sweater, alligator belt, and peach velvet
6:24
hot pants. Honestly, the stock exchange
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needs way more of this to
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setire and way less business brosuit.
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Mmm, hard agree. Martha
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can feel the client's beady little eyes staring
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at her ass as she leads him back to the
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conference room. So predictable,
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she thinks. But she's used
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to it and she has a trick up her sleeve.
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Martha is a college-educated licensed broker,
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but her colleagues mostly treat her
6:50
like eye candy. It's
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not a great feeling, but Martha knows how to
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use this creep to get what she wants. A
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sale. Martha didn't always want
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to be a stockbroker. She
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worked as a print model while studying history
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at Barnard College, but when gigs
7:05
petered out, she found herself panicking and looking
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for a new career. She
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and her husband Andy were close to broke, and
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they had a young child. Martha
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wanted to find something that would give her some
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control over her life and make as much money
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as possible. She's determined
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to give herself and her family the good
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life she always dreamed of. Martha
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and the client take a seat in the conference room. She
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pulls out a binder and starts to flip through his
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portfolio. His holdings are good, but
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good never enough for Martha. There's
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a stock she's very excited about that would
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be perfect for him. But she
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can tell this guy's not listening. Just
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looking. Always looking. Might
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I recommend 100 shares of
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My Eyes Are Up Here, Incorporated? I
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love that company. Love it. But this creep
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is playing right into her little ruse. Martha
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runs her hands through her hair. The
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secret signal to her boss to come and see. and join
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them. Her boss enters
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and says Martha's needed for an urgent
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matter. She stands to excuse
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herself. He'll take it from here. But
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as she starts to leave, the client's face
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falls. He says he wants to
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hear more from Martha about this great new stock. She
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smiles to herself. She's got him right where
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she wants him. She takes a
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seat and tells her colleague whatever it is, it'll
8:23
have to wait. Of course,
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there is no urgent matter. But
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it's an old salesman trick she picked up from her
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dad, and it works like a charm. The client
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trusts her now. She's more than
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just a pretty face. She's looking out for him.
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He buys the recommended stock and Martha
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closes another deal. In just
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a few years, Martha becomes the firm's
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top selling broker. Having money
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is a relief. Her dream of
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escaping her working class upbringing is finally
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within reach. It's
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early 1971, and Martha
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is tapping her foot excitedly. Her
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realtor is driving her and her husband
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Andy through a pretty suburban neighborhood in
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Connecticut. The rolling hills
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dotted with trees and stone bridges look like
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some things she used to dream about as
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a kid. There's just one
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problem. Budget. Andy's
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law career isn't bringing in what Martha thought
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it would, and her commission checks are dwindling
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as the bull market of the 60s gets
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way to the bear market of the 70s. New
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York City is way out of reach for them. And
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it's looking like Connecticut might be too. Well, at
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least it's not 2024 where basically
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any city worth living in is out of
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reach unless you're a gazillionaire. I admit to
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that. A car turns off
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the main road onto a gravel driveway. Martha
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takes off her sunglasses as the
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sun disappears behind the overgrown trees.
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She looks out the car window and up the
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driveway. The realtor says she can't
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wait to show them the sex. It's
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exactly what they're looking for. Martha
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can barely contain her skin. Let
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her heart drop when they pull up to the front. Martha
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stepped out of the car and peered
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at a two-story disaster. It
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looks like it should be condemned. Paint
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is chipped and peeling. Mold
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is scattered across the siding, and the
10:17
yard is overgrown with weeds. Martha's
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taken aback by how dilapidated everything is.
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She can feel her hopes crash and burn.
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Martha's sure there must be some mistake,
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but the realtor says no. This
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really is the only place within their budget. Martha
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and Andy head inside. She feels
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something on her head and looks up to see a
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slow drip coming from the ceiling. She's
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seen enough and can't live here. But
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Andy tries to see the positives. The
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house is a steal at just under $47,000. Okay,
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I'm sorry, but all I can think of is
10:52
that house nowadays in L.A. would go for $5
10:54
million and there would be a bidding war. I
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know, that's honestly the saddest thing we've ever talked
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about on this show. And
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the realtor's right. This is really all they
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can afford. Andy complains
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that Martha can't have everything. These
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little moments have been happening more between them.
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Martha can feel his resentment building too.
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When she fell in love with Andy, he was just
11:16
a law student. She assumed that
11:18
as a lawyer, he'd be making a lot more than
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he actually does. At least
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enough to keep her from ending up back where
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she started. Martha surveys
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the house with dismay. She feels
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like she's back in her childhood home in New Jersey.
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Once again, it's all about money and
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how little of it they have. Martha
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heads out the front door and down the cracked red
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steps. The realtor asks what she
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thinks. What does she think?
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She thinks this house is a piece of shit, but
11:46
they need to live somewhere. And it's
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a start. She looks at
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the realtor right in the eye and says they'll
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take it. Before
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Martha can focus on fixing the house. up her
12:00
house, she needs to save her stock-broking
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career. The market's been cooling
12:05
for months, and she's feeling the financial
12:07
strain. She can see a clear picture
12:09
of her future, and it looks a
12:11
lot like her past. Broke. Martha
12:14
is desperate for sales. She ends up
12:16
pushing an iffy stock for a super
12:19
iffy company called Levitt's Furniture onto
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one of her closest friends. Okay,
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not a good move. No. The
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stock is way overvalued, and it ends
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up tanking hard. It doesn't
12:30
just ham her as her bottom line. It
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throws her personal life upside down
12:35
too. Her chest tightens every time
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the phone rings. Her friends
12:39
are pissed, and they call her all day
12:41
demanding answers. Did Martha know the
12:43
stock was bad? Why would she recommend it to
12:45
them? I mean, I'm with her friends
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on this one. Honestly, same. And
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it's not completely clear what Martha did or
12:52
didn't know. Lots of brokers
12:54
were caught off guard by the stock price
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plummeting. But what is clear is that Martha
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pushed the stock pretty hard. And
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when it crashed, she was extremely embarrassed.
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Martha watches helplessly as the dream
13:06
life she built in Manhattan crumbles
13:08
around her. Her friends ostracize
13:11
her. A career that once looked
13:13
like the light at the end of the tunnel
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goes completely dark. When the
13:17
dust clears, Martha quits her job as
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a stockbroker and retreats to her shack
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in Connecticut, completely defeated.
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It's 1974 in the suburbs of Westport, Connecticut. Martha
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is standing at the top of the ladder leaning
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against her house. Wet beads
13:39
on her forehead as she glides a paintbrush
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across the siding of the house. She's
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traded in her hot pants and pumps for
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a pair of paint-slattered overalls and tennis shoes.
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Martha's been licking her wounds since leaving New
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York. But after months of depression,
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the old Martha has started to reemerge. She
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stumbled across a new mission, fixing up her her
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run down home at 48 Turkey
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Hill Road South. Martha's
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not afraid to get her hands dirty. Growing
14:07
up, her parents put her and her five siblings
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to work around the house. But
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she's shocked to discover these same chores and
14:13
renovations now bring her joy. Refinishing
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floors, planting her garden, painting
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her house, she loves
14:20
all of it. Making the home
14:23
of her dreams heals Martha's soul. A
14:25
star is born. Yep, call Bradley Cooper.
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She's ready. She steps down
14:30
off the ladder to go check on Andy. He's
14:33
supposed to be weeding the garden, but
14:35
he's inside changing into work clothes. He
14:37
just got a call from the office and needs to head
14:39
out. He gives her a kiss. He
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should be home for dinner. Martha
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feels a twinge of jealousy. Working
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on their home and raising their daughter has
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drawn her into domesticity in a way she
14:51
never imagined. She spends her
14:53
time finding the best local produce, hunting
14:56
for deals at antique shops and planning
14:58
some kick-ass dinner parties. She's
15:00
totally crushing this whole 70s housewife
15:03
thing. But it doesn't feel
15:05
like enough. She even starts a
15:07
catering business, which of course explodes
15:09
because she's Martha. But
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that's not enough either. Her
15:13
ambition just won't leave her alone. It's
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1981 in Westport, Connecticut, and
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40-year-old Martha is carefully sliding a tray of
15:29
hors d'oeuvres into the oven. She
15:31
turns back to her cutting board and starts chopping up
15:33
the fresh herbs she just picked from her
15:35
garden. She's getting the next
15:37
batch of mini quiches ready. I
15:40
just think she's whipping up for a catering gig.
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Martha is experimenting with recipes for her
15:45
own cookbook. A few
15:47
years ago, Andy left the legal world and
15:49
got into publishing. Martha catered
15:51
the launch party for one of his books,
15:53
and her food impressed one of the CEO
15:55
publishers. Martha left the party
15:57
with an offer to publish her own cookbook.
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Finally, Andy was helping with something, even if
16:03
it was just his contacts. Listen, I gotta
16:05
up my game because the only thing I
16:07
leave parties with is a broken heart and
16:09
a hangover and a kissed mirror. Shut
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up! Martha,
16:15
no surprise, is pouring everything
16:17
into this project. She's
16:19
turned her kitchen into her own tough lab. Figuring
16:22
out what she wants to include in the book has been
16:24
a thrill. Martha feels like she's
16:26
finding her voice. She's not
16:28
just writing a book of recipes. It's
16:30
gonna be a bible for how to host
16:33
anything. From blowout cocktail parties
16:35
for 200 to the
16:37
intimate soirees Arisha has allegedly been
16:39
throwing. As if my soirees could
16:41
be taught, please. Okay, okay.
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Well, nothing like this book exists yet. And
16:46
Martha knows it. It features
16:48
recipes, sure, but there's also a lot
16:50
more. Hosting tips, sample
16:53
menus, even decor suggestions.
16:55
Martha's taking everything she knows and combining
16:58
it into one big manual. Martha
17:01
finishes chopping and folds the herbs
17:03
into the egg mixture, then pours them
17:05
into three rows of perfectly lined up mini
17:07
quiche crusts. She smells
17:10
the Rosemary and Sage, but
17:12
she also smells mini. Martha's
17:14
first cookbook, Entertaining, comes out in 1982
17:16
and sells 340,000 copies, making
17:22
it one of the best-selling cookbooks ever.
17:25
Turns out there's an audience hungry for what
17:27
Martha's serving up, and she's excited
17:29
by the response. She's discovered
17:31
her niche, and now she can
17:33
see just how to grow it into an
17:36
empire. It's
17:45
the fall of 1986, and
17:47
45-year-old Martha is hurrying back and forth in
17:49
her kitchen with a determined look in her
17:52
eyes. A cozy fire crackles
17:54
in the background of a converted barn. Two
17:57
dozen of her family and friends are crowded around
17:59
two long-term. table that was polished
18:01
silver and floral centerpieces. When
18:04
Martha enters, her hands are gripping
18:06
a platter topped with a gigantic
18:08
Thanksgiving turkey. She gently sets
18:11
the platter down on a buffet table overflowing
18:13
with food. Everyone perks up at
18:15
the sight of it. They've been sitting
18:17
here for hours and they're starving. Today's
18:22
ready everybody, take your place and I hope you
18:24
enjoy it. The
18:26
guests rush over to the buffet. The
18:29
spread looks amazing. Cold pumpkin
18:31
soup, roast pheasant, root
18:33
vegetable salad. Andy reaches
18:36
for a plate of yams but Martha
18:38
swats his hand away. Not yet.
18:41
A director steps out of the shadows and orders
18:43
everyone back to their seats. This
18:45
is no ordinary holiday celebration. In
18:48
fact, it's not even Thanksgiving Day. Martha's
18:51
invited a film crew from WGBH
18:54
Boston into her home to record
18:56
her first holiday special, Holiday Entertaining
18:58
with Martha Stewart. Her
19:00
guests have been patiently pretending not to
19:03
be starving all day. Her guests are far
19:05
too kind. I would have rioted by
19:07
now from anger. Honestly same. They
19:09
grumble to themselves as they reset.
19:12
But Martha's oblivious. She's too
19:14
excited and focused on every detail.
19:16
Today is too big of an opportunity to leave
19:19
up to chance. Martha waits
19:21
for her cue, then re-enters the dining room
19:23
and sets the turkey down again. It looks
19:26
absolutely beautiful. She
19:28
calls everyone over to the buffet and they
19:31
cautiously approach. Is this it? Can
19:34
they finally eat? Martha
19:36
slices into the turkey and then
19:38
says happy Thanksgiving from L'Amécy's parade.
19:44
Martha angles the bird at the camera like
19:46
a seasoned pro. Look
19:49
how beautiful. So
19:51
tender and juicy. She
19:53
sets the flight down on Andy's plate and
19:55
smiles warmly at her husband. The
19:58
director calls pet. The
20:00
cake was perfect. Martha
20:02
beams. She takes in
20:04
the room again. She lets out
20:06
a small sigh of satisfaction. A
20:09
perfect Thanksgiving day. Martha
20:11
grabs the plate back from Andy and kisses him
20:13
on the cheek. Just one
20:15
more take, she announces. The
20:19
director looks at her. They got
20:21
the shot. They can move
20:23
on. But Martha wants to
20:25
make sure they capture the way the turkey glistens.
20:28
Everyone trudges back to the tables with their
20:30
empty plates in hand. Andy
20:32
sighs, but Martha doesn't see, or
20:35
pretend not to see, the resentment in his
20:37
eyes. It's
20:44
June 1987, seven months after
20:47
the Thanksgiving special. Martha
20:49
opens the windows in her gorgeous, immaculate
20:51
living room and lets in a cool
20:53
summer breeze. The linen
20:55
curtains flow in the wind, revealing
20:57
a small stain. She
20:59
makes a mental note to get them cleaned, or
21:02
replaced, maybe both. Her
21:04
mind is always working on how to make things better. Except
21:07
when it comes to her marriage, that is. When
21:10
she enters the kitchen, she finds Andy
21:12
sitting at the table with a blank,
21:14
dead-eyed expression on his face. Martha
21:17
wonders what's gotten into him. But
21:19
then she notices a suitcase sitting by
21:21
his side. Oh, here comes
21:23
the scene in every other after-school special.
21:26
Yep, Andy asks Martha to take
21:28
a seat. They need to talk. But
21:30
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21:33
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21:35
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21:37
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21:40
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21:43
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21:45
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21:48
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21:50
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21:52
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21:54
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21:57
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21:59
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22:01
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22:04
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22:06
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22:08
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22:10
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22:12
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22:14
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22:17
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22:19
marriage has been crumbling for years. Sure,
22:22
things aren't great between them, and sure,
22:24
maybe she's ignored it, but
22:26
she didn't know it was this bad. Martha's
22:29
anger shifts to panic. Yes,
22:31
she can be demanding, and she knows she
22:33
works too much. She can be
22:36
hard on Andy and their daughter Alexis, but
22:38
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22:41
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22:43
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22:45
each other. They can figure this
22:47
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22:49
people want to, though. True. Andy
22:52
stands and walks over to her. He's
22:55
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22:57
moving forward. Without her. Martha
23:00
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23:02
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23:05
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23:08
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23:10
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23:13
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23:16
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23:19
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23:23
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23:28
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26:03
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26:19
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26:21
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26:23
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26:26
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26:29
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26:32
She can't help but think of Andy and all the
26:34
holidays they spent together. Their
26:36
divorce was incredibly hard for her. She
26:39
felt like a complete and utter failure, and
26:42
that failure was broadcast to the world. Andy
26:45
left just before the press tour
26:47
for her book on weddings. Okay, that
26:49
is some very unfortunate timing. It really
26:51
is. I mean, talk about pouring salt
26:53
in the wound. Mm-hmm. He even
26:55
got a court order to prevent Martha
26:57
from speaking to him. But
26:59
she's dug herself out of it the only way
27:02
she knows how. Betting on herself.
27:05
She threw herself into her work. After
27:07
a decade of publishing cookbooks, Martha
27:10
was aching for a new challenge. Something
27:12
where she could reach her readers on a weekly
27:14
basis. If only podcasts
27:16
existed back then. I know, darn it.
27:19
She pushes thoughts of Andy from her mind. Today
27:22
is supposed to be a happy day. She's
27:25
thrown all her best holiday recipes, DIY
27:27
tips, and decorating dos and don'ts into
27:29
this first issue. And she loves
27:31
it. She has her books, her
27:34
own line of home goods at Kmart, and
27:36
now her own magazine. But Martha
27:39
realizes that the greatest asset she
27:41
has is herself. 30
27:43
years ago, no one was doing this. It
27:46
was completely radical. Martha
27:48
closes the cover of the magazine and lets
27:50
out a satisfied say. She's
27:53
just getting started. It's
28:02
1993. Martha is sitting across
28:04
from TV producer Richard Scheingold, and her
28:07
foot is tapping a mile a minute.
28:10
She's frustrated and trying not to show it,
28:13
because she's just pitched her latest,
28:15
greatest idea to this man, and
28:17
he does not get it. Scheingold
28:19
leans forward over his back. Martha
28:22
wants to turn her magazine
28:24
into a half-hour, weekly syndicated
28:26
television show starring her? Scheingold
28:29
waves his hands. It'll
28:31
never work. And Scheingold
28:33
got a list of objections, too. First
28:35
off, she's an author, not a host.
28:38
And second, the people who watch syndicated
28:40
TV don't want some homemaker telling them
28:43
how to fold napkins. They
28:45
want Geraldo, Seinfeld reruns. They watch for
28:47
God's sake. Okay, this is hard to
28:49
argue as an avid Seinfeld watcher. I
28:52
don't disagree. I knew it. I knew
28:54
you wouldn't. Martha fights against
28:56
her frustration, but it's hard not to
28:58
scream at this idiot. She's
29:01
been here before. Every step
29:03
of her career, people have doubted her. She
29:05
knows her audience and what they crave. And
29:08
she has the numbers to back it up. Almost
29:10
a million people subscribe to her magazine.
29:13
Scheingold says he's sure she makes a nice
29:15
bit of change, but he's in the TV
29:18
biz to make a lot of money. Martha
29:20
just stares at him. The point of
29:23
the show isn't to make money, it's to
29:25
promote her brand. Scheingold
29:27
is flabbergasted. None of
29:29
that brand stuff matters if the show doesn't draw
29:31
an audience. And as far as
29:33
he's concerned, getting advertisers for a show about
29:35
decorating your house for the holidays will be
29:38
impossible. Martha sighs
29:40
and patiently smiles. She'll
29:42
sell her own ads. She already does
29:45
this for her magazine. And with her show, she'll
29:47
be able to sell ads for both at the
29:49
same time. The whole
29:51
show will be a covert
29:53
infomercial for Martha Stewart. Scheingold
29:56
sits up. He finally gets
29:58
it. A commercial. inside
30:00
an infomercial, cross-promoting a magazine with
30:02
ads that would also be on
30:04
the show. Yeah, it's like the
30:06
Pottery Barn episode of Friends. Marketing
30:08
101, people. Yes.
30:12
Shine Gold's in awe of the synergy of
30:14
it all. He flips through her magazine, looking
30:16
at the rows of immaculate flowers in Martha's
30:18
garden. He shakes his head. One
30:21
thing is still bugging him. The
30:23
people in the cities where they have to
30:25
sell the show, they're working-class people. They
30:27
don't even have gardens. Martha
30:30
smiles and just says, yes,
30:33
but they want them. It's
30:39
May 1993. Martha
30:41
is standing in her kitchen as she gets ready
30:43
to shoot a new segment for her TV show,
30:45
Martha Stewart Living. Surprise, surprise.
30:48
It's a hit. By the fall,
30:51
she's the editor-in-chief of her own magazine and
30:53
the star of her own hit TV show.
30:56
But as Martha lines up the ingredients for the
30:58
dish she's preparing today, she feels
31:00
uneasy. She may have complete
31:02
creative control of her business centers, but
31:04
at the end of the day, she doesn't own any of
31:06
them, which means she doesn't really
31:08
control them. It's nerve-wracking for
31:11
her. Shine Gold's production
31:13
company owns this TV show and Time
31:15
Warner owns her magazine. It
31:17
irks Martha that Time Warner had nothing to
31:20
do with its success, and yet they rake
31:22
in huge profits. If that
31:24
weren't bad enough, executives there actively insult
31:26
her brand, talk down to her, and
31:28
don't understand the value of her work
31:30
because it's aimed at women. Hold on.
31:33
Do you mean to tell me a bunch of
31:35
uppity-up men are sitting in their high tower talking
31:37
down about a woman? I'm shocked, and
31:39
I simply cannot believe it. And you're not gonna believe
31:41
this? They're in suits. Whaaat?
31:44
I know, it's crazy. Knowing
31:46
Time Warner doesn't understand what she's
31:49
built scares Martha. They could
31:51
pull the plug whenever they want. She's
31:53
worked hard to secure her life, but
31:55
the instability of her childhood keeps rearing
31:58
its ugly head. to
32:00
be the media conglomerate calling the shots.
32:03
But to do that, she'll have to figure
32:05
out a way to send time-warner packing. It's
32:15
September 1993. 52-year-old Martha
32:18
is slowly walking up a
32:20
rocky trail as sweat pours down her
32:22
forehead. She's climbed a lot of
32:24
figurative mountains in her life —
32:27
catering, publishing, television. But
32:29
this time, she's climbing an actual mountain
32:31
— Tanzania's Mount
32:33
Kilimanjaro. The only incline I can
32:35
tolerate is the jet bridge out of the plane, and
32:37
even that is a doozy. Agree.
32:40
She pauses to catch her breath and take a swig
32:42
of water. Martha left at the
32:44
chance to go when some of her socialite friends put
32:46
the trip together. But it's been a
32:49
tough climb. She hoped the trip
32:51
would clear her head. But her mind won't
32:53
stop racing. The same thoughts are
32:55
running on a loop. The
32:57
rest of Martha's hiking party catches up. She
33:00
tells them to keep going. She still needs
33:02
to catch her breath. Her friend
33:04
Sharon Patrick hangs back. She
33:06
notices Martha doesn't look so well. Martha
33:09
says the climb isn't what's bothering her. It's
33:12
time-warner. She's been spiraling
33:14
about it this whole trip, and she
33:16
feels exhausted. As Martha
33:18
and Sharon hit the trail again, Sharon
33:20
wonders why Martha doesn't just buy
33:22
Time Warner out. Martha
33:25
is like, with what money? A
33:27
valid question. Yeah. I mean,
33:29
Martha is wealthy, but she's not buy-out-a-major-media-conglomerate
33:32
wealthy. Getting
33:34
out of her deal would cost tens of millions
33:36
of dollars. But Sharon floats
33:38
another idea. Why does Martha need
33:40
to pay for all of it? Maybe they
33:42
could go back to the Kmart well for
33:45
some sweet, sweet dough. Martha's
33:47
wheels start to spin. Now
33:49
that's a great idea. I keep
33:51
reminding myself that this is the
33:53
90s because the idea of Kmart
33:55
having anything resembling sweet, sweet dough
33:57
is just hilarious. I miss
33:59
Kmart. Oh, the good old days. Martha
34:02
returns home with a new plan to get out
34:04
of her contract with Time Warner. With
34:06
Sharon's help, she puts together a deal where
34:08
Time Warner agrees to an $85 million buyout, and
34:12
Martha only has to kick in $2 million
34:14
of her own money. Martha
34:16
is elated. Free of
34:18
Time Warner, she starts her own media
34:20
company, Martha Stewart Omni Media.
34:23
The name reflects how she's always seen herself, even
34:26
if Time Warner couldn't. She's
34:28
a brand that reaches across every meeting. When
34:31
her company goes public, Martha
34:33
Stewart becomes the world's first
34:35
self-made female billionaire in one
34:38
day. Martha gambled on
34:40
herself big time, and she won't. Damn,
34:43
as a resident of the city of broken
34:45
dreams, that must be so nice.
34:47
You'll get there. But it's
34:50
still not enough for her. In December
34:52
2001, Martha's stockbroker tips her off
34:54
about a stock she owns that's
34:57
about to tank. So, Martha
34:59
sells off $230,000 worth of shares in
35:03
a pharmaceutical company. Then,
35:05
she moves on with her day, just
35:08
another business transaction and a life full of
35:10
them. Now, I'm not a former
35:12
stockbroker like Martha, but even I know that
35:14
is not a smart move. Yeah,
35:16
and six months later, in June 2002,
35:20
news breaks that she was tipped off. That
35:23
makes it an insider trade, which
35:25
is highly illegal. The
35:27
heat in Martha's kitchen is starting
35:30
to rise. It's
35:36
June 2002, and Martha
35:38
is sinking a knife into a giant head
35:40
of cabbage. She's on the set
35:42
of CBS's The Early Show. She
35:44
makes an appearance every week to share a
35:46
little cooking or crafting tidbit. It's
35:49
usually light and fun, but
35:51
Newsweek just published a cover story
35:53
about the dodgy stock trade with
35:55
the title, Martha's Mess, and
35:57
the host of the show, Jane Placen, senses a
35:59
dream. I'm sorry. Martha
36:01
just wants to show Jane how to make a food. But
36:04
as she dices cabbage, Jane asks
36:06
her about the recent accusations of insider
36:09
trading. Martha keeps a
36:11
smile plastered on her face, but
36:13
inside, she's fuming. She
36:16
dodges the question, curtly replying that she's not
36:18
going to comment. Okay, I know I've watched
36:20
too much Law & Order because all I
36:22
can think about is questioning someone about criminal
36:25
activity when they're holding a knife is definitely
36:27
not the best idea. Definitely
36:29
not smart. But Jane's not playing
36:31
ball. She grills Martha
36:33
about the accusations. And Martha's
36:36
cabbage chopping gets more agitated
36:38
with every question. She
36:40
knew before the interview that she would be asked
36:42
about the insider trading. So she
36:44
does what she always does. Try
36:46
to get control of the situation. She
36:49
even sent the producers a list of
36:51
pre-approved questions. But Jane isn't following
36:53
the script. Martha's worried this
36:56
story is going to damage her brand. Right
36:58
now, everything she's worked so hard to
37:00
build is balancing on a knife's edge.
37:04
Tension fills the set. This
37:06
segment has gone completely off the
37:08
rails. Martha realizes she's not getting out of
37:10
this one. She has to say something.
37:13
She sets down her knife and looks Jane square
37:16
in the eye. Then she
37:18
tells her everything will be resolved soon
37:20
and she'll be exonerated. Martha
37:22
relaxes a little. It felt good
37:24
to say that. Then she says,
37:27
now I want to focus on my salad because that's
37:29
why we're here. If the goal
37:31
is distraction, I would have gone with something a little
37:34
more exciting than a salad. Well, she is
37:36
who she is, you know. Martha's
37:38
been playing it cool since the media first broke
37:40
the scandal earlier that month. She's
37:42
sure her army of fans will support her. They
37:45
know who she is. They'll see
37:47
that she's been unfairly targeted. Wall
37:50
Street bros get accused of insider trading all the
37:52
time and no one puts them on the cover
37:54
of a magazine. As far
37:56
as Martha is concerned, all of this
37:58
is a crock of bullshit. But
38:01
that's not how people react. Overnight
38:04
Martha goes from domestic diva to just
38:06
another greedy rich person breaking the law
38:08
to get an upper hand. She's
38:11
shocked. Yes, Martha's technically
38:13
a billionaire, but she built her empire
38:15
from scratch. Suddenly
38:17
it feels like everyone just wants to see her get
38:19
knocked on. She didn't do
38:21
anything other billionaires haven't done. Okay, doesn't
38:23
make it right though. Exactly.
38:27
In 2003, Martha is indicted by a
38:29
grand jury for securities fraud and obstruction
38:31
of justice. She wasn't
38:33
very forthcoming when the SEC was investigating
38:36
the charges. She manages to
38:38
keep her cool in public, but in private,
38:41
she feels like she's withering under the stress.
38:44
She's even forced to step down as
38:46
CEO and chairwoman of Martha Stewart Omni
38:49
Media, just four years after creating
38:51
the company. Losing her
38:53
life's work makes Martha feel devastated.
38:56
She built Omni Media with her own
38:58
two hands and now they're abandoning her.
39:01
Everything she's worked for is slipping away.
39:10
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39:13
is sitting in a Manhattan courtroom
39:16
hunched forward, nervously tapping her chin.
39:19
After a five week trial and three days
39:21
of jury deliberations, Martha's about to hear
39:23
the verdict in her case. She
39:25
picks at a piece of lint on her black pant
39:27
suit. Like Snoop, Martha feels
39:30
helpless to do anything but maintain her
39:32
innocence and keep her composure. Her
39:34
face is calm, but her eyes can't
39:37
hide her nerves. She's
39:40
angry at the prosecutors who targeted her, angry
39:43
at the fans who abandoned her, and
39:45
angry at herself for not knowing when enough was
39:47
enough. Never satisfied,
39:49
she thinks, just like her father.
39:52
Yeah, really struggling right now to find sympathy
39:54
for a billionaire who's being forced to face
39:56
the music. But it's Martha!
39:58
I'm just kidding. I do love
40:00
her, though. A jury enters the room
40:02
with a verdict in hand. Martha shifts
40:04
in her chair. She wants to
40:07
look back at all the gawkers who are only there to
40:09
see her fail, but she won't give
40:11
them the satisfaction. The four-person
40:13
stands to read the verdict. Martha
40:16
holds her breath. Guilty
40:19
on all counts. Overnight,
40:28
Martha Stewart Omni Media stock
40:31
tanks. Advertisers flee her
40:33
show, and CBS is forced
40:35
to drop it. Worst of
40:37
all, her companies are forced into massive
40:39
layoffs. It makes Martha feel
40:42
guilty and sad. Those people's
40:44
lives have been upended because of her,
40:47
because she couldn't leave well enough alone.
40:49
Yep, once again, the people at the bottom
40:51
get completely screwed. I know.
40:53
That's so fucked up. God. I know.
40:55
I am. But
40:57
Martha holds onto the hope that she might not have
41:00
to go to prison. She writes a
41:02
letter to the judge pleading for leniency, and
41:05
she points out all the good she's done and the
41:07
suffering she's endured over the past few years. Home
41:10
confinement and community service would certainly
41:12
be enough for her to learn her lesson. Would
41:14
it, though? You gotta pay the piper.
41:17
Yep, and you're right. There's no wiggling out of
41:19
this one. Martha fights to hold
41:21
back a sob as the judge reads her
41:23
sentence. Five months. Martha
41:26
is stunned. She's sure she
41:29
must have heard wrong. She refuses
41:31
to believe this is actually happening.
41:34
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41:36
feels the shock wear off. Right
41:39
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41:41
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eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply. It's
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November 2004. Marcela
43:03
pulls a bowl of hot water out of the microwave, then dumps in a box
43:06
of pasta. It's Thanksgiving Day, and she's going a little
43:08
outside of the box for this year's meal. Because
43:11
she's not at home in Connecticut. This year, she's
43:13
spending the holiday locked up in federal prison. She's
43:17
been in Alderson federal prison camp since early October.
43:20
It's a small women's prison in the heart of West Virginia.
43:22
She's been in the state of Virginia. She's
43:25
been in the state of Virginia. She's been
43:27
in the heart of West Virginia. It's
43:29
less Alcatraz and more college campus.
43:32
There isn't even a fence keeping inmates in. It sounds
43:34
like it's probably better than half the apartments here in
43:36
L.A. Probably. Marcela
43:39
drains the pasta water into the sink, then adds
43:41
a little olive oil. It's basic
43:44
and tasty, and it could use a side dish.
43:47
Marcela heads out onto the grounds and yanks
43:49
up some dandelion greens and a few crab
43:51
apples. She's careful to hide her
43:54
contraband. This prison might be
43:56
nicknamed Camp Cupcake, but making your own
43:58
salad is still against it. the
44:00
rules. Okay, what is with Marzia
44:02
Stewart making salads? I know, what
44:04
is she, a Kardashian? There's all their
44:06
food out there! I know, seriously. Back
44:09
in her cottage, yes, her prison
44:11
cell is an actual cottage. She
44:14
sets dinner out for her and her roommate,
44:16
a cocaine dealer. Marzia laughed to
44:18
herself. 12 months ago, she
44:20
was rubbing elbows with celebrities and hosting her
44:23
own TV show. Now look at
44:25
her. Honestly, this is starting to sound like an
44:27
endorsement for committing stock fraud. A cottage?
44:29
Like, come on. That's only if you're
44:31
rich though. I know. As
44:34
they eat, Martha reflects on how this
44:36
experience has forced her to embrace humility
44:38
and simplicity. Sure, she spends
44:40
her days cleaning toilets on the janitorial
44:43
staff, but she can still take pride
44:45
in making a meal for her cellmates. Martha
44:47
raises her cup of water to toast. It
44:50
still feels good to share a meal. It's
44:59
late, and Martha is sitting on her bunk. She's
45:01
writing a letter to her cellmate's estranged
45:03
sister, offering to help organize a
45:05
reunion. Martha's family comes
45:08
to visit regularly. Seeing her
45:10
now adult daughter, Alexis, has been a
45:12
lifeline for Martha in prison. She
45:14
knows how hard it is to be separated from family.
45:17
She folds the letter perfectly into thirds and slides
45:19
it into an envelope. Symbol
45:22
acts like writing a letter or making a
45:24
meal were the kinds of things Martha focused
45:26
on in her magazine and on her show.
45:28
But in her circumstances, she feels new
45:31
meaning and eject. She
45:33
feels like it reinforces the importance of her work.
45:35
These small deeds stitch
45:38
us together. The next
45:40
day, Martha's out in the yard getting some sunshine
45:42
on her face when she sees something that makes
45:45
her want to barf. Paparazzi.
45:48
A group of creeps with cameras is standing near
45:50
the entrance to the prison trying to get her
45:53
picture. Martha curses to herself.
45:56
She just wants to be left in peace. Suddenly,
45:58
she sees her roommate. approaching. She
46:01
stands in front of Martha and waved over
46:03
a few more inmates. Together,
46:05
they surround Martha and block
46:07
the paparazzi's view. Why-collar
46:09
criminals are just like us, supporting their friends
46:12
in times of need. We love to see
46:14
it. Martha feels
46:16
so much gratitude. She spent so
46:18
long fighting for control, but it
46:20
didn't give her the security she
46:22
craved. She smiled at the tight
46:24
group of women surrounding her, keeping her safely
46:26
out of view. They support
46:29
her. They care about her. She
46:31
doesn't always have to be the lone wolf. Martha
46:34
doesn't know what the future holds, or if she'll
46:36
ever be able to win back her fans or
46:38
the trust of the public, but
46:40
she does know that she wants to share that
46:42
lesson somehow. It's
46:49
2008 in New York, and
46:51
Martha is standing on the set of her newest
46:53
project, The Martha Stewart Show. She's
46:55
been out of prison for about three years, and
46:58
she's betting on herself again. She
47:01
hopes the public will embrace her, but
47:03
this time she's taking a different approach. Instead
47:06
of meticulous pre-taped segments, she's
47:09
inviting a studio audience in to watch things
47:11
unfold live. Case in point, her
47:13
guest today. I have
47:15
to say he's off the
47:18
chisel for schnizzle, schnizzle, and
47:21
he's in the schnizzle, representing
47:23
Jameson's everywhere. Please welcome Snoop
47:25
Dizzle. Okay,
47:28
it's giving Michelle Williams narrating
47:30
fo-shiz-fo-shiz, and I love it. Oh
47:33
no. Snoop jogs down
47:35
the faux staircase and into Martha Stewart's
47:37
TV living room. He's
47:39
looking classic Snoop in his tracksuit
47:41
and sunglasses. As he greets
47:43
Martha in the kitchen, they're both wondering the same
47:45
thing. What the hell are
47:48
we doing here? Something we were all
47:50
wondering. Yeah, officially, Snoop's there
47:52
to hang with Martha and make some mashed
47:54
potatoes. Ever since prison, Martha's
47:56
leaned into this new, less meticulous side
47:59
of herself. And people respond
48:01
to it. They respect the toughness
48:03
she showed in serving her prison sentence,
48:06
and they love the freer version of herself she's
48:08
revealing now. Okay, it's not like she was
48:10
doing hard time at Sing Sing, but I
48:12
can appreciate her renaissance. She was
48:14
drinking toilet wine, are you sure?
48:16
Oh, I'm sure. In nice personal
48:19
glasses. Yeah. Martha relishes
48:21
the chance to do what she's always done.
48:23
But this time, she actually gets to have
48:25
some fun doing it. She
48:28
can just be Martha. Still,
48:30
it's nerve-wracking for a perfectionist like her to
48:32
let chaos in. And Snoop
48:34
is a definite wildcard. Martha
48:37
confesses to Snoop that she doesn't know
48:39
what a hissle is. But
48:42
Snoop doesn't said it. He laughs and tells
48:44
her he's here to help bring her into the conversation.
48:47
Snoop knows being on Martha's show is unexpected,
48:50
but he's drawn to her. She's
48:52
clever and charming with sharp business
48:55
instincts. Just like him. Martha
48:57
and Snoop start propping the dish. But Martha
49:00
stops him when he starts chopping off the
49:02
potato. This one needs to
49:04
be peeled. Like this? Just take the peels
49:06
off. Like making french
49:08
fries. We make french
49:10
fries. That's skin good. No, no, that's the
49:12
skin. Just peel the skin
49:14
off. Oh, you want me to take the
49:16
skizzy in off of it. Honestly,
49:20
I'm just glad she's not making
49:22
another salad. I
49:24
know you are. Martha's thrown off by Snoop's
49:26
reaction and can't help but laugh. She
49:29
feels herself lighten up. The
49:31
joke of this segment is supposed to
49:33
be their enormous mismatch, but Martha finds
49:36
herself genuinely enjoying Snoop's company. They
49:39
whip up potatoes with their matching mixers. And
49:41
Snoop reveals that he brought a secret ingredient
49:44
to shake things up. Cognac.
49:47
The bottle he pulls out is shaped like a woman
49:49
wearing a very short red dress. Martha
49:52
checks out the bottle. She playfully adjusts
49:54
the dress to be a little more off
49:56
the shoulder, and a boob accidentally pops out.
49:58
The bottle's boob. of course not
50:00
Martha's. Oh thank god you clarified. Yeah
50:02
like what is she me at a wedding? The
50:06
audience loves it. Snoop's just being
50:08
Snoop and Martha for once is
50:10
just being Martha. She
50:12
throws the commercial and turns to shake Snoop's
50:14
hand but he pulls her in and gives
50:16
her a kiss on the cheek instead. They both
50:19
smile. That was fun. Martha
50:29
and Snoop's report is undeniable.
50:31
So she invites him back for several more appearances
50:34
on her show. It's the beginning
50:36
of a beautiful friendship. So
50:38
what do a 67 year old domestic diva
50:40
and a 37 year old rapper have in
50:43
common? Well for starters they both love lettuce.
50:46
Ayo there it is. And
50:48
they've both been to prison so they
50:50
have plenty of stories to swap. Well
50:55
she told me that uh when
50:57
she went in there they told her to put some newspapers
51:00
on her to protect herself
51:02
from being stabbed and she was like why not
51:04
use my magazine? But
51:09
more than that they're both self-made people who
51:11
tackled all the obstacles in their way to
51:14
build their own foam and forking. They
51:16
share a curiosity and love of learning that
51:19
helps them keep growing as people and
51:21
they bring that evolution to their public personas. And
51:24
while Snoop's learned to stand on his own two feet
51:27
Martha realizes the opposite. She
51:29
doesn't have to go it alone. She
51:31
may not have the perfect family she craved as
51:33
a kid but she has a deep bench of
51:35
friends starting with Snoop. His
51:38
laid back vibe reminds her to stay loose
51:40
and just be any. She
51:42
doesn't have to control everything. She
51:45
feels safe with him even when he
51:47
gets her high accidentally. Just like when Ross gave
51:49
you a whole muffin to eat. Oh
51:52
god never forget muffin gate. But
51:55
Martha's was a contact high. Turns out sitting next
51:57
to Snoop Dogg for eight hours at the Justin
51:59
B. can and will get you
52:01
phoned. Now I'm just fully jealous.
52:04
Me too. Snoop and Martha continue
52:06
to be friends and partners. In
52:09
2016, they launched their own TV show
52:11
called Martha and Snoop's Potluck Dinner Party.
52:14
They bring together a diverse group of
52:16
friends and guests for an evening of...
52:18
and Snoop's words... peace, love, and harmony.
52:21
And Martha wants to share the joy and
52:23
discovery they've found in their unlikely friendship. Per
52:26
once, it feels like more than
52:28
enough. Hey
52:36
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This is episode 3 of our three-part
53:02
series, Snoop and Martha. We
53:04
use many sources when researching our stories,
53:06
but we especially recommend Martha by Christopher
53:08
Byron. If you enjoyed this season, we
53:10
think you'll also enjoy our series, Jay-Z
53:13
and Beyoncé. What happens when
53:15
two of the biggest stars on the planet
53:17
fall in love, launch an empire, and then
53:19
nearly lose it all? Together,
53:21
these two will figure nothing out. And
53:24
starting next week, you can look forward to
53:26
our series, Taylor Swift's Reputation. Taylor
53:28
Swift always dreamed of performing on a
53:31
big stage, and her deeply personal music
53:33
earned her massive success and legions of
53:35
devoted fans. Faced
53:37
with ruthless paparazzi, controlling studio
53:39
execs, and endless bad press, Taylor
53:42
has to stay true to herself, navigate fame,
53:44
and become the superstar she was meant to
53:47
be, all without becoming one of
53:49
the mean girls who made her life miserable. You
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can follow us on socials at Arisha Skidmore
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a reminder that our Even The Rich merch store
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at www.eventherich.com. And
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be sure to tell your friends. I'm Brooke Ziffrin. And I'm Aresha Skidmore-Williams.
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Andrew Barbeau wrote this episode. Editing is by Julia Wolf. Our audio engineer
54:11
is Sergio Enriquez. Sound design is by Sam Ada. Stephanie Jens is our
54:13
development producer. Desi Blalock is our production coordinator. And our managing producer is
54:15
Matt Gale. Our producers are Rachel Engelman and Kate Young. Ginny Bloom is
54:17
our production manager. And our sound engineer is Dr. Kate. We're also a
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team of sound engineers. We're also a team of sound engineers. We're also
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a team of sound engineers. We're also a team of sound engineers. We're
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also a team of sound engineers. Our
54:26
executive producers are Jenny Lauer
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Beckman, Marsha Louis, and Erin
54:30
O'Flaherty for Wondery. Hey, I'm Michelle
54:32
Beadle. And
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I'm Peter Rosenberg. Hey Peter, tell
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called Over the Top, and we cover
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we'll start with two stories, toss one
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Isn't everything inspired by wrestling, Beadle? Fair
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