0:00

I've had over 300 fights, I lost count of around 300.

0:04

Did you ever fight Lee Murray? Yeah,

0:06

I did. That was a proper fight. He was

0:08

getting really tired, so he got disqualified. So they

0:10

gave me the win. And then, right this time,

0:12

CS Gas was throwing the ring. My corner said,

0:14

really? Get out of here. I jumped out of

0:17

the ring, got hit over the end of the

0:19

chair, and I just ran. What were you doing

0:21

in your 20s? A lot of

0:23

sex. I'm almost disgusted. When

0:26

did you first find drugs? Oh, drugs.

0:29

Do you call her Jordan or do you call her

0:31

Peyton? I just said KP. So I

0:34

met her, and I started to attract Nick

0:36

into pretension. She actually split up with me

0:38

live on I'm a celebrity, get me

0:40

out of there. So I had an agent. He said, this is what

0:42

you've got to do to get on in the business. This

0:46

is something I haven't ever talked about. All

0:52

right. Welcome

0:55

to the Eventful Lives podcast. I'm your host,

0:57

Dodge, and I'm the founder of Bournemouth Sevens,

0:59

the world's largest sport and music festival. On

1:02

this podcast, I speak to proper characters who

1:04

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1:12

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1:16

Alex Reed is a former cage

1:18

fighter, celebrity big brother winner and

1:20

famously known for marrying Katie Price,

1:23

aka Jordan. Being involved in

1:25

over 300 fights, Alex talks

1:27

through his sex scandal, cross dressing

1:29

and Channel Four. This episode is

1:31

truly mind blowing. This is

1:34

the eventful life of Mr Alex Reed.

1:41

Alex, welcome to the show, mate. Dodge,

1:43

it's a pleasure. Yeah. Why are

1:45

you called Dodge? Number of reasons.

1:49

Go on. My old man and we're kissing the

1:51

same name. And from a young kid, I've always

1:53

been Dodger. Dodger,

1:55

Dodge. It's an unusual name. Yeah. It's one you

1:57

remember. Absolutely. You won't forget that. So I'm. I've

2:00

been here at Eventful Lives and I couldn't remember

2:02

what it was. I was like,

2:04

it's Dodge's podcast. I've been telling him on

2:06

Dodge's podcast. No, it's

2:08

Eventful Lives. I don't

2:11

know if I've had an Eventful Lives. I

2:14

think you have and that's why you're here. Anyway,

2:16

let's roll all the way back. Where did you

2:18

grow up and how did you go from Cagefighter

2:20

to marrying one of the most famous women in

2:23

the UK at the time, Katie Price? You

2:30

know, before we come on, I should have

2:32

said, do we have to? You've

2:35

come straight out of here. Oh

2:37

my God. It's a curse we're going to

2:39

have. I shouldn't say curse. I

2:42

shouldn't say curse. Alright,

2:44

I'm born and bred from Aldershop. The

2:46

herd of Aldershop? Yes, near Guildford. Remember

2:49

the British Army. Do

2:51

you know Guildford? I went

2:53

to Guildford School of Acting. I had

2:56

a couple of nightclubs there years ago. Really? Which

2:58

ones? Cinder

3:00

Bellas. Cinder Bellas. All these bouncers

3:02

there. Were you? Oh my God. What years?

3:05

How old are you? Same age as you, roughly.

3:08

But it's seven for life, mate. Seven

3:11

for life. But we had Cinder Bellas

3:13

and remember the one down the bottom

3:15

called The Drink. Oh,

3:17

Michael Harper's there. I

3:19

was just thinking about this morning. Oh God, I had

3:21

my stack of you there. I used to

3:24

be a bouncer there as well. Did you? I'm

3:26

friendly with Michael. Yeah, nice fella. Was he

3:28

having a bloke who's got a girl's

3:30

name? That was the first bloke

3:33

I'd ever met who had a girl's

3:35

name, Michelle. Do you know what? We're

3:37

talking about the whole pronoun, which is

3:39

all trendy now. I think, you

3:41

know what I'm alluding to. I was way ahead of the

3:44

curve on that with all of the cross-dressing

3:46

things. Mate, that's

3:48

nothing new with the old cross-dressing. But

3:51

you look at top UFC fighters and

3:53

I used to like it naming really

3:55

tough badasses with like a bit of

3:58

a feminine. name

4:00

because you've got to be a badass. Like one

4:02

of the best fighters in the world Frank Trigg.

4:05

But his nickname was Frank Twinkle Toes Trigg.

4:08

Or Dodge Princess. It's good. It is

4:10

good. Do you remember the club at

4:12

the top? I've had

4:22

that for five years. I had a Monday and

4:24

a Thursday there at the top

4:26

of the club. We end up the

4:28

dorm when we were after us right. We end up water

4:30

bombing the doorman. Me and

4:32

my best mates. We had the club down the road.

4:34

We were trying to nick all their customers from there.

4:36

We end up water bombing and then they come down.

4:38

I did the same thing. Then they come down in

4:40

a van. Open up the van and they had the

4:42

fire extinguishers. It all kicked off.

4:46

This is like 2004 I think. Three. Bojangles. Did

4:48

you do that one? Bojangles were in the middle

4:50

club wasn't it? No I never Bojangles. We had

4:52

there for about five years in each club we

4:55

had that. Every single week. Cinderella's. I

4:57

actually. Dean. Head door with

4:59

Dean. That's it. I'm friendly

5:01

with Dean. Dean's lovely. And Gio? Yeah

5:04

Gio. South African. Isn't that funny?

5:06

That is funny. So where are

5:08

you from? Well I live

5:10

down here in Bournemouth now. So where were you?

5:12

Originally I was in Guildford. Yeah well I had

5:14

twelve nightclubs all around the country every week. Wow.

5:16

For ten years yeah. So I'll take

5:18

the dorm money. They'll take the bar money. I'd

5:21

go to clubs that weren't open midweek. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

5:23

Thursday. I see. You do an event. You do an

5:25

event. Yeah every single week. I'd open up super clubs

5:27

with two thousand people in. They were empty. I said

5:29

give us that club. I'll pack it out every week.

5:31

So do you mind? I'll take the dorm money and

5:34

take the bar money. See I got that because you

5:36

told me earlier on you'd do events and you well

5:38

you'd got festivals. Yeah. So for all of my people

5:40

that are watching. Yeah. Who are you? What are you

5:42

all about? Mate this is my

5:44

podcast mate. I'm sure you've

5:47

said this a thousand times. But I didn't

5:49

know about the festival. No. I didn't know

5:51

you did. We've got a festival that's

5:53

been coming into our 17th year. But

5:56

12th festival. You have to be careful. You might

5:59

ask me some questions. for legal reasons I

6:01

might have to be, and genuinely I'm not saying

6:03

that, I'm actually being serious, I'm

6:05

feeling enough court hearings over

6:07

saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. After

6:11

a while, it's just getting painful, I'm not going to say

6:13

that anymore. So are you allowed to talk

6:15

about sex drugs in rock and roll? Mate,

6:17

we're free mate, this is a ventful live podcast. Are

6:20

you nocturnal? I've been nocturnal in

6:22

my life, I grew up living above pubs in London. And

6:25

nightlife? Yeah, I was in clubs at the

6:27

age of 10 years old, 11, 12, next

6:29

door, we had a club next door. What

6:32

I'm interested in, in all that

6:34

time, you're quite an astute businessman,

6:36

I imagine you're very successful. And

6:39

you're doing this now, but this isn't mainly

6:41

for profit, this is because it's fun. I

6:43

love it. I found my new

6:45

passion, I've always been curious since being a kid. When you're growing

6:48

up above poo boozers with

6:52

a lot of villains downstairs, a lot of

6:54

naughty people, a lot of successful people, a

6:56

lot of entrepreneurs, everyone's wheeling and dealing. Old

6:59

man was a bodybuilder back in the day and he was

7:01

slinging people out and having tear ups and then he was

7:03

the first one to bring bouncers to the pub

7:06

to protect the pub. You

7:08

know, we lived in a madhouse, we lived in a

7:10

two bed flat upstairs with a

7:12

cock or two, budgie regards, a pet

7:14

monkey, two L stations,

7:16

a doberman. Cor, blame me. This

7:19

is madness, yeah. Like odd dogs and whatever

7:21

you look downstairs. Were you

7:23

on edge? I didn't

7:25

know any different. So you're born... I'm

7:28

born in boozers and then

7:31

my granddad, off

7:33

licenses outside, we're all West Ham fans, although

7:35

everyone's from East London. My

7:37

dad's from West Ham. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And

7:41

you asked me a question. A dad

7:45

born in

7:47

World War II,

7:52

in Walthamstow moved around West Ham area,

7:54

box for West Ham, joined

7:56

the army in Aldershop, become a

7:58

paratrooper. Did he? I met

8:02

Mum. I'm

8:04

the youngest of six. Are you the youngest

8:06

of six? All boys? Three

8:08

boys, three girls. And I say

8:10

paratrooper because I became a paratrooper. My

8:13

dad was a pacifist, he was a hippie. Full

8:16

of art. I've grown up with

8:18

books, culture. Extremely creative. He could

8:20

build anything. He built all

8:22

the houses down the road where my parents

8:24

have their house. He's not

8:26

here. He's here right now in spirit. But

8:30

I was in loft about the attic, about

8:33

12 years old. I

8:36

was playing with He-Man and Action

8:38

Man and all that sort of stuff. I saw pictures of

8:40

my dad in a uniform. And I was like,

8:43

what? Did you read the true uniform? Mum.

8:47

That's in the uniform? Oh yeah, it used to be a paratrooper. What's

8:49

a paratrooper? Didn't know anything about that stuff. And

8:52

all of a sudden from my hero being Luke

8:54

Skyle, Coriima, my dad was like, because he

8:56

was strong, silent type, but he was a

8:58

badass. He was army boxing champion, fought in

9:00

wars. I'm like, wow. So

9:03

that was my ultimate role model. So what was

9:05

your route then as a kid? What were you

9:07

like at school? I

9:13

was always into tension.

9:16

I got suspended a few times, but I was

9:18

also really good. The teachers couldn't understand it because

9:20

I would be very creative and

9:23

very keen and a good boy. Extremely naughty.

9:25

I was like devil and angel. Join the

9:27

club. We're

9:30

the most interesting people. I

9:33

do crave boredom. It would be

9:35

nice. Do you like boredom? I

9:39

don't really know what it is. What about you? I

9:43

like, I love people. And that's

9:45

why I'm doing a podcast. I grew up, as you

9:47

all keep growing up in a boozer, seeing

9:49

stuff you should not be seeing as a kid, but I knew no

9:52

different. I loved it. I loved it. But

9:55

I was always around adults. So you're seeing people wheeling

9:57

daily, and you're thinking, well, I want to wheel it.

9:59

How do I earn my money? How do I say?

10:01

You're curious about everything. You're seeing everything. You're

10:03

working ways out to earn money all the whole time because

10:05

that's what it was like in the 80s. But did you

10:07

have love? I

10:10

had lots of love. Although,

10:12

because some people are

10:15

called fuddy-duddy judgmentals.

10:18

You're seeing things you shouldn't have done. You shouldn't

10:20

be seeing. You shouldn't be subjected to that at

10:23

a young age. I

10:25

understand that in our PC can't

10:27

say that society. Within

10:31

reason, but if you're

10:33

not a successful man, you seem like

10:35

a very kind person. Is

10:37

that necessarily due... You're

10:39

subjected to things that you probably shouldn't see. But if

10:41

you've got the love and the protection, is that a

10:43

bad thing? Well, I've got a lot of love for

10:45

my dad and my mum. A lot

10:48

of love. But they weren't. My old man's

10:50

from East London. My mum's from Manchester. My

10:52

mum's a playboy bunny in the casinos when all the

10:54

A-Rabs were coming in and getting all the big tips.

10:56

My dad was a croupier. My mum was a croupier.

10:58

Then they only had boozers. I

11:01

had a lot of love, but there was no boundaries.

11:04

It was like I was staying up at 11 o'clock at night

11:06

hanging around the doorman. The doorman were taking me to clubs at

11:08

10, 11, 12 and then bringing me back 3,

11:10

4 in the morning. So you made it streetwise? Really streetwise as

11:12

a kid. Did you ever get bullied? Did I?

11:14

No. Because you were really

11:16

streetwise. You were probably the coolest kid,

11:18

yeah? I was a

11:20

leader. I was

11:22

a leader at school. I was good at sport, but

11:25

I was rubbish in the classroom. And not you, I

11:27

was saying. Can you follow? Can you follow? No.

11:31

If someone's got a better idea than you, we're

11:34

in a burning building and you haven't quite got the

11:36

answer. Someone's like, all right,

11:39

let's go out that way. And we're going, could you

11:41

follow? Yeah. If I believed him. See, that's still

11:43

the lead. If I believed him. If I believed in

11:45

that person, he knows more than I do. You know

11:47

the route out there, 100%. You tell me, you tell

11:49

me to get out of this burning fire. I'm

11:52

in. If you use a lot of military

11:55

people, right? And it doesn't matter what rank

11:57

you are, you are a unit and I'm

11:59

an ex-paratrooper. So like, it

12:02

doesn't matter if you're the general, if the

12:04

Tom or a private has said, like, he

12:06

knows something that's gonna say, the general will

12:08

listen to the private, and the private actually

12:10

leads. So that... Well, in

12:12

anything, being curious doesn't

12:15

make you judgmental. And I've been curious all

12:17

my life. And I'm not

12:19

judgmental on anyone or anything. And

12:21

that's like a little superpower being curious.

12:24

And I don't think it's used enough

12:26

out there. Curiosity is a superpower. Because

12:28

it opens doors, it creates new opportunities.

12:31

It's a... I hear you.

12:33

And when you say, how was I at school and

12:35

stuff? I

12:38

was extremely curious, to the point. And

12:41

I've just, I only just discovered a couple of years ago, I

12:43

have autism. And my inquisitive mind

12:45

asks so many questions. And that's got me in

12:47

so much trouble. Oh, it has got you in

12:49

trouble, is it? Big trouble. And

12:52

I'm like, why? Why? Who?

12:54

How? When? Why? I'm

12:57

the same. I've just seen

12:59

them. I did the test at the doctor's. What, ADHD? ADHD.

13:03

Where I came up top on every

13:05

single one. I got me diagnosed with that. It

13:07

would make sense. You kind of balance each other

13:09

out in a weird way. But ADHD is what,

13:11

attention deficit disorder, right? Yeah. I

13:14

haven't been tested for anything. But if

13:16

that's meant to be something, I've definitely got it. But who

13:18

cares? Who cares ADHD? Do

13:20

you know why I say that? Because when

13:22

I'm interested in something, I'm all in. If I'm not interested

13:24

in something, I'm not... So that's attention

13:26

deficit power as well. Because

13:29

any athlete who's obsessive

13:32

to be the best has some,

13:35

I would say, they're right on

13:37

the spectrum. And I tell

13:39

you why does it matter? It doesn't

13:41

matter. The only reason

13:44

I did it was curiosity. Yeah, but again...

13:46

Curiosity. Well, it makes... Someone tell me. It

13:49

made a lot of things make sense. Yeah. And

13:51

it's caused arguments as well with my missus. You

13:54

never did that until you knew you had this. I'll

13:57

put your milking in now, won't you? I'm

14:00

a god. Are you

14:02

married? I'm married.

14:05

I've got a beautiful wife

14:07

and I've got a lovely little boy.

14:09

How old? He's 10. I've

14:12

been with my missus now 20 years. So

14:15

this is what I find interesting.

14:18

I'm such a different person. I have

14:20

four children. Same woman? I

14:23

have a dolly with a

14:25

lady called Chantel. She's

14:28

11 and I have three

14:30

children with my current fiancee, Nicola

14:33

Monash. She's

14:37

a social media influencer and I've got twin

14:39

boys, eight months and a gorgeous little

14:42

Anastasia who's two and a half.

14:45

You have to now. And

14:47

I've experienced a lot of sex, drugs and rock

14:49

and roll in every way. But

14:52

now it's all about longevity. We've

14:54

got to be here. I want to

14:56

be young and fit. I mean, even putting

14:58

my shoes on. Do

15:01

you when you put your shoes, you seem, I'll check

15:03

out your body in a non-romantic way. I

15:06

can't help it as a soldier. You're like sussing everybody

15:08

out. Why are you smiling? Why are

15:10

you laughing? Dylan.

15:14

I know he's fit, isn't he? I

15:16

shake your hand. How are

15:18

you doing? I'm like, okay. You're

15:22

looking for danger at

15:24

home. I'm going

15:26

off on a tangent. What was that for? I don't know,

15:28

mate, but it's a good conversation. How

15:32

did you get into fighting? Being

15:36

bullied. Being

15:39

bullied and being grown up on superheroes.

15:42

I wanted to be like, you know,

15:45

also I was in the, you were an 80s kid. I

15:47

was born in the 70s. I was born in the 70s.

15:50

But, you know, all those action films,

15:52

Rambo, Bruce Lee, John Claude.

15:54

I want to be like that. I want to be like that. Everyone

15:58

was masculine. You want to know. learn

16:00

how to fight. Have you been done

16:02

in martial arts? Not really, no. Have you

16:04

had any fights? Fighting, yeah.

16:06

I was a rugby player so

16:08

you get into illegalized fights on

16:12

the pitch and stuff but not really

16:14

no martial arts or anything, no. That's what I

16:16

was gonna say, I remember what I was gonna

16:18

say. You're fit. I said I was checking the

16:20

body out. He trains,

16:23

he's healthy. I

16:26

have absolutely abused my body. I'm not talking about the

16:28

drugs. But you're in good nick as well? 100%. Internally

16:32

you say. When I've

16:34

abused my body, I don't mean with

16:36

drugs, I mean with the obsessiveness of

16:39

being the best. You wear things down.

16:41

You know, any elite

16:43

O level athlete. But not only that athlete

16:45

but in business. You have to be obsessed

16:47

to be. Yes. Huge success. You got

16:49

to live and breathe it. 100%. People say that

16:52

I've never had a job in my life. Yeah, always

16:54

been an entrepreneur since the age of 10, up

16:56

to now. Creating businesses, creating brands. You have to

16:58

be obsessed. People think, oh yeah,

17:00

I work for someone and the cool thing now is to

17:02

become an entrepreneur. Everyone's become an entrepreneur. Thinking,

17:05

oh, I'll be my own boss, make my own decision. Mate,

17:07

you'll be working 24-7, seven days a week. It's scary

17:09

as well. And you don't know that. And you can't

17:11

switch off. Yeah. I wake up in the middle of

17:14

the night sometimes. Right. Right, this morning, four o'clock in

17:16

the morning, I had Eureka, right,

17:18

and I started writing stuff down. And

17:21

I'm like, but I knew I'm gonna be shattered

17:23

because I've got come in this podcast. I've got some other

17:25

stuff to do. I've got a whole busy day of things.

17:28

But when you've got the Eureka moment, you've got to get

17:30

it out. Yeah. You'll

17:34

fit. Why was I saying that? I can't think of

17:36

that. It'll come back again. We've got enough. Like anything

17:38

though, if I'm doing business with someone and they're in

17:40

good nick, I know they've got

17:42

discipline. I know they'll be bang on the

17:44

ball and sharp. It gives you that bit

17:46

of edge, I think. What I was gonna

17:48

say, you're around the same

17:51

age. Do you grunt

17:53

and groan? If you've got aches and pains, not

17:55

as many as you because you've been fighting all your life. When

17:58

you put your shoes on, do you sit down? Or can

18:00

you put them on standing up? I like to sit down.

18:03

That hell would get an old, isn't it? Do you make...

18:06

No. No, because I try not to make any noises

18:08

because of that, because I remember my granddaddy used to

18:10

make noise. I think, mate, you're getting old. What are

18:12

you doing in that? I know. So

18:15

I'd make a point on not making any noises. That's

18:17

very good. And it's... Be

18:20

careful what you say. Yeah. It goes out

18:22

and comes back in here. Well, your word is... Your word is

18:24

you want. Yeah. So

18:26

you've got to be Muhammad Ali. I am the

18:28

greatest. You've got to do that self-hypnosis all the

18:30

time. How many fights have you had?

18:37

Not street fights. I'm talking fights in a...

18:39

Street fights? Less than a handful, about

18:41

four. They're ugly. I'm a

18:43

pacifist. I detest violence. I left the army because I

18:45

want to kill people, which

18:48

is weird, because I wanted to start a joint to be the baddest killer

18:50

on the planet. Yeah. Because I'm

18:52

insecure. I've had over 300 fights. I lost

18:54

count of around 300. Around

18:57

50 professional. 350

19:00

amateur. And

19:03

I've tried to count it. And I bump into

19:05

people and I'm like, Do you know we

19:07

had a fight? Did we? Yeah. And

19:09

then they show me a video. Oh, that's a good

19:11

one, isn't it? What was your

19:13

choice as a kid growing up? Was it Kung Fu? Was

19:15

it karate? Was it judo? Was it boxing? Was it kickboxing?

19:17

What was the one that you warned him of?

19:23

Kickboxing. Kickboxing.

19:26

I started off on Kung Fu. Bruce Lee. Love

19:29

Bruce Lee. Yeah. And I,

19:31

you know, I'd

19:33

love to, I absolutely love everything to

19:35

do with martial arts. I

19:38

made a TV show about 10 years ago. I was a bit

19:40

longer than that now. I went

19:43

around the world looking at all different martial arts.

19:45

And I was getting paid for it. I was

19:47

like, this is great. This is amazing. Yeah.

19:49

It was absolutely wonderful. Did you ever fight Lee

19:51

Murray? Yeah,

19:53

I did. That was a

19:56

proper fight. We was like, I was in acting school.

19:58

Wasn't that crazy? I

20:01

had a break, I wasn't really training because I was trying

20:03

to be a darling, a thisbian. A

20:06

poor acting student needed some money. This

20:09

fight, it was an unlicensed show, it was where I

20:11

was at, it was in the Epping Forest Country Club.

20:14

And I didn't know who I was

20:16

fighting, it was just turned up. And,

20:18

oh, yeah, he's the same

20:20

way. I knew Lee Murray, he

20:23

said his first fight was quite scary, but I

20:25

was a seasoned professional, I had loads of fights.

20:28

Even though I wasn't really training properly because

20:30

I was at acting school, I was just

20:32

thinking about getting 400 quid. No,

20:34

400 quid. There was a lot of money

20:36

to me in 2000. Was it 2000? Yeah. Who

20:40

won that fight between you and Lee? I

20:42

won that fight, although there's going

20:45

to be, I'll tell you what happened.

20:48

And I just, I literally just, I'm going to put this

20:50

out on YouTube in the next few days, or I'll

20:53

put it out soon. I watched the fight

20:55

and I can see, it's going to say I've cheated

20:57

because it was in a ring. So

21:00

this was hybrid rules as well.

21:02

Back in the day when the

21:04

rule system wasn't quite there,

21:06

like what it is today, Nevada State Athletic

21:09

Commission. I mean, I'm fought

21:12

in cages back then where you could hold

21:14

the cage and stamp on someone's head. It

21:16

was like, that's a very safe ruling

21:19

system now. So I

21:22

held the ropes. I didn't hold the ropes. Because

21:24

I was on the ropes, it punched me back

21:26

and I'd wrap my arms around. And he tried

21:28

to take me down. He got so frustrated. And

21:31

he kept, he did puff out.

21:33

He was, he was a few kilos heavier than me.

21:36

And he was a lightly,

21:38

and I'm not trying to be disrespectful because

21:40

we became, he did my corner after this

21:42

fight, become good friends. He

21:46

was definitely on Juice. And Juice,

21:48

this was before he really

21:52

understood the whole game. Juice is

21:54

great for a quick street fight, but in a

21:56

long, and I'm a, I'm

21:58

a, like a marathoner. running when it comes

22:00

to fighting. Just

22:03

keep going. He's going to puff you.

22:05

So he kept turning his

22:07

back and he got

22:09

a warning and then it

22:12

was a brutal fight. We were smashing the living granny out of

22:14

each other. I was

22:17

all busted up and bruised and then he

22:19

tried to take

22:21

me down again and I had my hands like

22:23

this on the ropes and he

22:25

just stopped and turned his back and I

22:27

carried on and went to fight and he walked off.

22:30

I posted a video you

22:32

can make your own mind up. People can say

22:34

I'm being dirty but there wasn't a ruling system

22:36

where you can't not do that. It

22:39

was before that he could hold the cage.

22:41

I wasn't actually holding but he

22:43

was getting really tired so he got disqualified. So

22:46

they gave me the win and then

22:48

a riot strike.

22:51

I bet. CS gas was

22:53

throwing the ring because a

22:56

riot strike. My corner said

22:58

really get out of here. I jumped out

23:00

of the ring, got hit over the edge with a chair by

23:03

the Woolwich massive and I

23:05

just ran and I got more

23:07

hurt running to my changing room

23:09

and I'm running through all these

23:11

chairs, deck chairs and I'm like

23:13

who is Phil? Phil Mitchell.

23:16

He was there. I knocked him down.

23:18

I didn't mean to because I just mobbed

23:20

after me. I'm like this is

23:22

before and I forgot my chains were off. He

23:25

comes in and I'm going to hit

23:27

him with this boxing glove. He said he was going to kill

23:29

me. I was like oh yeah. So

23:31

I mean he was a scary opponent. He

23:33

was a good fighter. He was very good.

23:35

I really, he became really class after that.

23:37

It's funny, I mean two weeks later we

23:40

met at another show and

23:42

it never happened. I was

23:44

like I really liked Lee and

23:46

he was really good.

23:52

I don't believe you ever picked up, you had one fight

23:54

in the UFC against Jorge Rivera

23:57

and he beat him. I know he

23:59

beat him. quick I don't think he even picked

24:01

up his paycheck. He was making a

24:03

few quid back then in some

24:05

precarious ways. Would you fight Lee

24:08

when he comes out of prison

24:10

from Morocco? No.

24:14

Never say never, the money's right.

24:16

Well I like him and I

24:19

find that difficult but I mean saying that if

24:21

there's money, the right money, yeah

24:25

there's big money. I mean he's old but

24:28

I think he's going to be

24:30

scary. Where I've had a soft

24:33

life, he's had a tough life

24:35

hasn't he? Do you know when he's going to

24:37

be coming out? I don't know. I

24:39

don't know. I mean yeah,

24:44

yeah look show me the money. It's very different

24:48

because I am a very different personality.

24:51

I say multiple personalities. I'm a

24:53

scaredy cat. But you

24:55

also know you can flick a switch when you need

24:57

to. And there's something quite

24:59

empowering on that. It's really weird because

25:01

I feel soft. I feel insecure. That's

25:04

why I train so much. I train

25:06

all the time even when I'm bashed.

25:09

I've started

25:11

to join my local rifle club because

25:14

I'm scared about what's going on. Have

25:18

you ever fought Mike Bispin? I've

25:21

spotted Mike Bispin. I went down to

25:23

the Wolfslaad back in the day. I'm

25:25

really good friends with Rico

25:27

Rodriguez, ex UFC heavyweight champion of the world.

25:29

He was the head coach at Wolfslaad. This

25:32

was before Michael was in

25:34

the UFC. Oh no, he

25:36

was in the UFC actually. We used

25:38

to fight on

25:40

the same cage

25:43

rage and he was a light heavyweight. He

25:45

was a weight bar for me. Cage

25:47

rage was the third biggest show in the world. It

25:50

was a joint one and

25:52

two was UFC and pride. They kept

25:54

going to a one and two and number three was

25:57

cage rage. We had all the best champions in the

25:59

world. Mike went on from

26:01

that to did the ultimate fighter yeah won

26:04

that this kills me

26:07

the day when he won the ultimate fighter

26:09

i was also selected

26:11

uh to go to the

26:14

ultimate fighter but i was a

26:16

big pack i was a big ticket seller

26:18

for cage rage cage rage had

26:20

just been bought out by elite xc who were at

26:22

war with the ufc they would

26:24

not release me dave donnell

26:27

great guy from cage rage

26:29

he gave me blessing to go he owned cage

26:31

rage but his hands were tied by elite xc

26:33

so when i was in my prime i

26:36

couldn't go at what age was your prime 30 31

26:43

yeah and the

26:45

following day there's another time and then so um

26:48

i'll talk about it uh i

26:51

then fought another cage

26:53

rage and i got

26:55

through i got selected to go to the ultimate

26:57

fighter and i was

27:00

fighting dejiro matsuri uh a

27:03

very famous pride fight for all of the best fighters

27:06

in the world and it was it was both one

27:08

of the best fights in the history of mma and

27:11

he he i what i call i started

27:13

to fight with a vagina on my eye

27:16

and it's a very crude thing to say and

27:18

i'm pleased that but it literally my eyes already

27:21

opened i shouldn't have passed the medical i i

27:23

hid i put a beanie on my hat i

27:25

had the medical and the reason

27:27

why i wanted to have this fight is because dana

27:29

white was watching it so i wanted him to see

27:31

how great i was any and

27:33

i super glued it with an

27:36

interchange room and they gave me loads of

27:38

adrenaline the fight was unreal and i won

27:41

uh no the fight was a draw and

27:43

i said to dana dana said look i'd

27:46

love to have you um come over

27:48

to the ultimate fighter but the thing is if

27:52

the Nevada state of fleck commission passed you i'll

27:55

refund your ticket but i'm not going to pay for your

27:57

ticket because you didn't say you got

28:00

me vagina but I had a gaping wall wound

28:02

here and I couldn't fight so I

28:04

thought it so when you were saying you got

28:06

bullied how old are you when you're getting bullied

28:08

at school early

28:11

around 10 11

28:14

I noticed I wasn't very

28:16

fit I was getting a bit chubby and

28:19

I thought getting a bit bullied for being chubby

28:22

and also because I didn't shut up and I

28:24

asked all the questions that well I wasn't a

28:26

cool kid so I was

28:29

the baby of the family you when you were

28:31

mixed you were mixing with a lot older people

28:33

right all older people so

28:35

in that in that regard I had that benefit

28:37

as well because you become

28:39

more cultured yeah more sophisticated but

28:42

then at the same time you

28:45

I didn't know how to relate to the younger kids

28:49

and I would ask stupid questions well

28:51

they weren't stupid questions but when you're not cool with

28:54

that not cool question yeah and

28:56

I'd like to ask it yeah and

28:59

you were never bullied never no

29:05

are you passionate abuse did you ever see bullying

29:08

yeah of course there was bullying everywhere hmm it

29:11

was like the norm yeah I

29:13

let and it's fully going on the street when you're

29:15

growing up in boozers and you're seeing tear

29:17

ups you see in place rates coming in you see in

29:20

the dorm and knocking people out and there's

29:23

bullying everywhere mentally mental

29:25

bullying and physical bullying but back then it wasn't

29:27

kind of seen as that's just what life was

29:29

like in the 80s right yeah well

29:31

it still is yeah it still is I mean now

29:33

we've got all these fancy names for it unless you

29:35

we started off about the whole why

29:38

does it matter with the old autism I'm with you

29:40

I don't have a don't need a

29:42

label to justify why what is all

29:44

by them yeah exactly what is it

29:46

though where everybody's on the spectrum basically

29:48

it's that's a good

29:51

question what is it what is it it's

29:57

you've got a different sense of reality as

30:00

in everybody? Yeah. So I mean

30:02

everybody's on the spectrum and it's like

30:04

at what level are you got very high

30:07

functioning autistic people and you've got people

30:09

who can't

30:11

comprehend, don't know how to explain but

30:13

they could be extremely intelligent in their

30:15

own way. Yeah. Look at Elon Musk,

30:17

Einstein. Elon Musk locked himself

30:20

in his factory and

30:22

for days on end and fieldship. Why

30:26

did you go and get tested for autism? That's

30:30

an interesting question because I had

30:33

a friend who I didn't have the interest to

30:35

do it but I had a friend who was

30:37

an autistic child and

30:39

I became, I saw

30:42

how I reacted with his children

30:45

and I get on better with kids than

30:47

I do with adults and I always like kids will

30:49

just come to and it's like and

30:54

he's like I think you're autistic and

30:57

he said look I'll pay for you to have a

30:59

test just I'm just so interested so I did. Pure

31:01

little curiosity. Yeah. I

31:04

wasn't, there was no burning desire. This is

31:06

the reason why I've had this problem and

31:08

like you know I

31:10

was never, I was misunderstood at school

31:13

and I was always getting in trouble when

31:16

for things that shouldn't have been getting in trouble. So

31:20

it made sense for how I look at the world

31:22

in a different way why I've asked, I

31:24

see things in a much different way but you

31:26

know dyslexic

31:28

is they read the letters

31:30

almost back to front and I look at

31:32

the whole thing and almost back to front

31:34

and I'm like oh and

31:37

it allows me that forgiveness

31:40

of myself because you become very judgmental

31:42

I'm not good enough. I'm not

31:44

good enough. Well you can't, you're not judgmental

31:46

if you're curious like judgmental

31:49

goes out the window for me because I'm not

31:51

judging anyone because you're curious it's like where'd you

31:53

go how did you do that when was that

31:56

it opens up so many doors and it's a

31:58

nice conversation because you're talking about someone else. you

32:00

know, asking someone else questions. So I've got

32:02

the mix of that and the judgmental. Okay.

32:04

Judgmental on yourself. Absolutely. I've

32:07

not liked myself. I've

32:09

felt like I was not

32:11

good enough. Why? Insecurity.

32:16

From where though? You've got a nice

32:18

family, right? Yeah. You've got nice brothers

32:20

and sisters. Very. I love brothers. Nice mum and

32:23

dad. I mean, my brother, my brother, I forget,

32:25

we used to fight all the time. He was

32:27

four years older. Always beating their

32:29

crap out of me. So

32:32

I wanted to be tough. I wanted

32:34

to be tough. It

32:36

was kind of a good thing because it did

32:38

make me tough, extremely tough. But

32:40

it made me into cool. He was the captain of the

32:43

football team, got straight A's in all the subjects, got all

32:45

the girls. He was cool. And I'm like, yeah.

32:48

And after that, like the runt of the

32:50

litter. I don't know why that is. Because

32:52

I had love. But I struggled. I

32:55

was an academic. You were or

32:57

weren't? Weren't. Not academic at all. I

32:59

really struggled. I could work hard. So

33:02

that's I guess it's that insecurity. That's

33:04

why I took to fighting

33:07

because it was something where I could excel in

33:09

without the the

33:17

judgment of others. And most of you

33:19

are celebrated. I'm pretty good at this.

33:21

Yeah. And do you know what I was

33:23

searching for? It was love. Yeah. Because I

33:25

was I didn't feel accepted. And

33:27

it wasn't love from other people

33:29

was loving myself. Yeah. That's why

33:31

I have understanding

33:34

more about myself. I've allowed to

33:36

forgive myself. And like, you know,

33:38

Plonka, come on, stop being. Stop

33:40

being a Plonka. And, you know, you're

33:42

a good guy. You know, you're not

33:44

feel worthy. And I'm fascinated by athletes,

33:46

especially fighters, combat

33:49

athletes who are in the same sort

33:51

of mindset. And I see they

33:53

can be really, it can be the best fighter

33:55

on the planet one minute and then in a

33:57

heartbeat, not gone, not because of their ability because

34:00

of their mind. So I find psychology

34:02

so important. Not just fighting in any

34:04

of those. In life. In acting. I've

34:08

been on fire. I'm like, yeah, I'm really good at this.

34:10

I've done public talks and talked

34:12

in front of 20,000 people

34:14

and I've been more, you know, yeah, that's great.

34:17

And then another day I'm like, what

34:19

to do? And what's going on? Where's that Alex Reed

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34:56

there two sides to Alex Reed? No. Just

34:59

Alex Reed is what it is. Was there

35:01

more sides? There

35:05

is, there is a multiple personality. How

35:08

many, how many Alex Reeds are there?

35:10

Do you reckon? There's only one Alex

35:12

Reed. No, but I'm talking for you.

35:14

You know what? I'm Alexander Reed, the

35:17

thespian, the darling. Yeah.

35:19

And sometimes I go

35:22

in my renounce pronunciation.

35:25

Yes. And that's who you're a television voice.

35:28

Tell me about in your twenties. What were

35:30

you doing in your twenties? A lot of sex.

35:32

It was, is it? Oh God. I'm

35:35

almost disgusted. When did

35:37

you first find drugs? Oh, drug.

35:41

I, you know, I wasn't, it

35:44

didn't really have it around me, which is

35:46

a very good thing. And obviously it's around

35:48

everywhere. Yeah. Right.

35:51

Yeah. I think I did

35:53

a line of Coke

35:55

when I was 18. I thought it's

35:57

not very great. I think the guy sold me a lot of

35:59

drugs. it to me, it would cut

36:02

it up and so I didn't

36:04

really bother with that. Then I did another

36:06

line of coke about two years later and

36:08

it was like, wow, this stuff's good. It

36:11

wasn't really, I mean, it's

36:14

dangerous because it is good. Well, it's

36:16

not good because it destroys

36:18

your body. It destroys so

36:20

much more of you. Nothing good comes out of it.

36:23

There it does for about an

36:26

hour, a few hours, but that's the

36:28

price you pay. Were

36:31

you fully focused on your training? Were

36:33

you fully focused on your fighting? Was

36:35

that what you wanted to be in

36:38

your 20s? That was my saving grace

36:40

from drugs. I was more addicted to

36:42

being successful and what

36:44

I could accomplish rather than that. As much

36:46

as that was fun once in a while.

36:49

I mean, what about you? I mean,

36:52

I know. I tell you why I asked that. You did

36:54

a podcast the other

36:57

day with two guys from Ibiza and

36:59

the tagline is 28g of coke

37:01

in a tagline. I'm

37:04

like, I'm like, wow,

37:07

that's a lot of

37:09

coke. That's blown up on

37:12

the internet. I beat the madness. I beat the

37:14

headline 28g of coke in a day. I'm like,

37:16

oh, blimey. Yeah. So tell me in your 20s,

37:18

what were you doing? Were you trying to earn

37:20

a pound note fighting? Were you trying to make

37:22

it? Why didn't you make it? Were you, can

37:24

you a little bit too early

37:26

for the MMA scene, the

37:29

UFC scene? 100%. I just,

37:31

I coach some kids now.

37:34

I love it. Absolutely love it. I'm

37:36

not as able as I used to be

37:38

because there's a few challenges physically. Things

37:41

have been bent, twisted and broken, but I

37:44

say, I wish I could coach myself. Screw

37:47

McConnell and Greg because I've got the personality

37:49

and the charisma and had

37:52

the ability, but I just, I

37:54

always fought injured. And

37:56

I came into it a little bit too late. What year did you

37:59

come into it? I've done professional fight in

38:01

1998. And how old were you

38:03

roughly then? Like 24 years

38:05

ago. 22, 21? 21,

38:07

22? Yeah.

38:14

And you say professional fight, like how much were you...

38:16

I've done a lot. It

38:18

was probably £100, £50. But

38:21

you say professional fight, so you turned pro, but what were you doing

38:23

on the side then? Bouncing, working in

38:25

nightclubs. I was a film extra.

38:28

So I left the army in

38:30

1998. How long were you in the army for? Five

38:32

years. Did

38:34

you enjoy the army? Love

38:37

hate. The whole bit

38:39

about... I've put him

38:41

in a paratrooper, I'm scared of heights. I don't like being

38:43

shot with that. Don't like planes. Shut

38:47

my eyes every time. I'd

38:49

be like... I'm tough

38:52

though. I'm really tough.

38:55

I'm a paradise. Red

38:58

on! Green on, go! I

39:01

remember once, because you go... You're in

39:03

the back of the plane. You

39:05

go port side, start side. Left, left,

39:07

left. You have to go...

39:10

You go out together, splat. And

39:13

I shut my eyes and ran past the door. And the RAF

39:15

guy, great read you fucking idiot! And he

39:17

pulled me in, threw me out and I nearly hit the guy on

39:19

the other side of the door. That would

39:22

have killed us. And all I got on the way down was,

39:24

you fucking dead read. I landed and I

39:28

saw a guy running from that direction. Or a guy

39:30

running that direction. Yeah.

39:33

Were you fighting in the army as well? No.

39:35

Was there any bullying for you in there? Not

39:40

really. I

39:42

mean, there's such a camaraderie in

39:44

the Paris. You like... You

39:48

don't... You have to be

39:50

such a... conjoined

39:52

unit. If there's any weakness, you're

39:55

not a good unit. So everyone... I

39:58

mean, there's constant bullying. everybody but

40:00

it's not there's no one's singled out yeah

40:03

I mean your best mate dies

40:05

and you're you take the piss out of

40:08

it but the way it

40:10

is did you go and tour at all no

40:14

tours okay you there for five years let's

40:17

get this right I'm considered

40:19

a plastic paratrooper I was

40:21

TA okay territorial army

40:23

although I did something called an S type

40:25

where I was connected to a I'd

40:29

go in all of the time I was like pretty

40:31

much my full-time job and I

40:33

was really keen to go and do to

40:35

go and do war yeah and I'm

40:38

like Alan it started done understanding what

40:40

the world's all about with that inquisitive

40:42

mind following the money tree the

40:45

profiting understanding why all

40:47

the wars have created and who's profiting who's

40:49

funding it and like what's

40:51

whose benefit from the town these are my brothers

40:54

and sisters and I learned that from my dad

40:56

actually he was in Cyprus in 1956 fighting

40:59

the Yoko terrorists he said one minute a fight

41:01

the next minute they're my allies yeah it makes

41:03

you think it's you know old

41:05

men or young men in suits

41:08

you know profiting at the

41:11

expense of other people who aren't as educated

41:13

we've got to fight your country it

41:15

makes me scary now what would happen

41:17

I still I'm anti war but

41:20

I still believe in a warrior class

41:22

needs to defend society as

41:24

much as we there's still some nasty

41:26

people who don't want

41:29

their way of life over our way of life and

41:31

it's very scary what's going on now when

41:34

I'm then right out there we've got a almost

41:36

little kitchen of your country needs all

41:38

yeah sort of thing going on I'm like who's

41:40

gonna fight for this country yeah what

41:43

you fight for we

41:45

need to stay here and fight for our

41:48

ability to survive and I

41:50

don't want fighting and getting all

41:53

try not to get political because I have friends

41:56

from every religious denomination And

42:00

I just think it's fruitless and sad. You

42:03

know, wrong is wrong. And

42:06

I've had fights with my own family, which

42:08

is really sad. Yeah. I'm

42:12

trying to talk around about a

42:15

single and out anything, which is tricky.

42:17

But you can kind of understand. Jew,

42:19

Christian, Muslim, Hindu, you know. I

42:22

don't get involved, mate. I'll stay on my line. I

42:25

don't watch the news. I don't want

42:27

anything. I don't even need coming in. And

42:29

that's brilliant. It

42:31

works for me. If something I

42:33

need to hear, my wife will tell me

42:35

and my best pals will tell me. And

42:38

that's a good way

42:40

to stay happy and successful. Definitely

42:42

happy, yeah. The only thing is,

42:45

if I tell you, all right, I know you don't want to

42:48

know that, but believe it or

42:50

not, if all these bad guys are coming

42:52

over to come and come around the house and kill

42:54

you. I'd want to know. It's

42:57

not going to happen now. It's going to happen in a couple

42:59

of weeks. Just

43:01

take it or leave it. Well,

43:04

I'll react to that, of course. It's an

43:07

Activated System. You don't

43:09

think about something. But

43:11

if I say about Red Ferraris now, you

43:13

start seeing them everywhere. That's

43:15

why I don't want to invade my mind with

43:18

any neg. And the secret I've seen to happiness

43:20

is not having more positive

43:22

thoughts because this law of attraction, which is great.

43:26

And believe it, and it's happened to

43:28

me, is having less negative thoughts. And

43:31

not more positive, less negative. And I've

43:33

got such negative thoughts. Have you? It's

43:36

turmoil in my head. You seem like

43:38

a really calm, nice,

43:41

humble human being. And

43:44

if I'm sitting here now, I wouldn't think

43:46

you'd be sitting there with your little man

43:48

on your shoulder giving you negative thoughts. It's

43:51

a continual battle. Every

43:53

day? Every day. Give

43:55

me an example. Well, and

43:57

I think about what you just said. Why do I look at the...

44:00

news I seeing now evidence

44:02

which is of horrible things which are

44:04

happening I had an argument with an

44:06

ex but why do you want to watch that because

44:08

they're just telling you what they want to feed you

44:11

yeah why do you want even know what's going on

44:17

I'm trying to be careful here which

44:19

is difficult I'm

44:23

scared for family I'm

44:25

scared of being

44:27

attacked yeah well I'm seeing attacks happen

44:30

yeah a lot and what

44:32

you're seeing people you know being attacked

44:35

you're going to have a

44:38

different emphasis on it to

44:40

be a bit weary here yeah I've

44:43

done jiu-jitsu for years and I talked to

44:45

the guys in the gym and they do

44:47

it for sport I said that's already good for sport I

44:50

don't do it for sport I do it for life and

44:52

death it's nice to come here

44:54

and be creative and work out which is great

44:56

but the reason why I'm doing this rather than

44:58

actually being in a gym or playing table tennis

45:00

or squash or football is because I want to

45:03

set some real-world skills which will defend me and

45:05

my family in a crisis of

45:07

need but I

45:09

think by me even acknowledging that

45:12

maybe I'm attracting that into my

45:14

life maybe you

45:16

know the film Empire Strikes Back Yoda,

45:18

Luke's Gog, only taking to the cave

45:21

what you want to face he takes his lightsaber so

45:23

he faces Darth Vader with his lightsaber I

45:26

wonder if I'm always preparing for war guess what I'm

45:28

going to get I'm going to attract here also

45:31

that little man on your shoulder one thing

45:34

my mum was talking to a young kid is to

45:36

be aware of your subconscious mind and

45:39

if you think about that being aware of your

45:42

subconscious mind means you'll be aware of your thoughts

45:44

that are going on when you're doing everyday

45:46

life they reckon you think 60,000 thoughts

45:50

a day now if

45:52

you're aware of your subconscious mind again that little man on

45:54

your shoulder is talking to you all the time if you're

45:56

aware of that and you're in control of your emotions it

45:59

puts a lot of things perspective and puts a lot

46:01

of things you know you're aware of that that's just

46:03

a little man talking to you you

46:05

can put that to bed but and

46:07

I and I hear you and don't get me wrong some

46:09

people got some serious things going you can't just put it

46:12

to bed but you are aware of him and

46:14

I I do have that yes 50% of the time

46:16

okay which is

46:18

great but I need it I mean I can't I don't

46:20

think you can have it 100% but

46:23

you I'd like to have it 70 80

46:25

yeah um you married

46:28

yeah mate how long actually

46:33

married how long you been with

46:35

her 20 years 20 years I was

46:38

amazing I and

46:40

I have the most amazing part myself but

46:43

the only people who clearly really get in my

46:45

head and roll me up on my mother and

46:47

my partner I don't know

46:49

if it's like you not wrong not

46:51

don't roll me out I'm really tired of my old

46:53

man me and him as well that if

46:56

he talks to me and says something I can

46:58

listen my wife talks to me and says something

47:00

I listen to them wrong because we all get

47:02

on beautifully well great there's no angst is no

47:04

action don't give me a dick you

47:06

know I'm so I feel

47:08

that's that's that's homo that's great only of

47:10

you've never had him sure you've had arguments

47:16

well that's good we just we we just we're so

47:19

different that's why we get on

47:21

so well you know yeah I'm

47:23

sure she's beautiful she's from

47:25

from Wales in the countryside I've grew up

47:27

in chaos nuttiness and we

47:30

met and it works yeah opposite opposite

47:33

subtract right yeah yeah but

47:36

we're so similar in the same ways as

47:38

well now she's an

47:40

excellent international sportswoman and right yeah we

47:42

both went to Loughborough Sports University our

47:44

world has been sport and so why

47:48

are you doing this book going off on a

47:51

tangent and you were you still doing the club

47:53

stuff yeah yeah

47:55

that juxtapose well the

47:57

club stuff for me from that 10-year

47:59

period I threw 1,500 parties

48:02

in clubs from Manchester to

48:04

Birmingham, Leicester, Brighton, London. There

48:07

are 12 parties every week at

48:09

peak, you know. So we take the

48:11

door money and the club will take the bar money. So

48:13

it was a beautiful business model. But

48:16

what I mean is, where do you have time to be fit and healthy? Yeah.

48:19

It was different though, you know what I hear that because I was on the

48:21

road, you're doing 30,000 miles a

48:23

year, hotels, clubs, 3 in the morning. Would you

48:25

train? Yeah. Yeah, but not like I

48:27

train now. Because when you're

48:29

waking up at 1 o'clock in the afternoon, after

48:32

going to bed at 4, you're knackered.

48:35

So actually for a 10 year period I was in clubs 7 days

48:37

a week, maybe 6 days a week. But

48:41

did you have a day when you could smoke

48:43

in clubs as well? Yeah, of course. Do you

48:45

remember, was it Roy Castle? Record

48:47

breaker. Yeah, record breaker. He died didn't

48:49

he? From, he didn't smoke. From

48:52

lung cancer. But that was

48:54

part of why clubs went downhill then.

48:56

Yeah. You know, because all of a

48:58

sudden, everyone smoked fags, all of a sudden you had to go outside and smoke a

49:00

fag. And then the

49:03

clubs would stink of everyone's just BO and everything

49:05

else with it. The fags used to cover it

49:07

all up. Do

49:09

you remember those days, sticky carpets? Yeah. Stink

49:12

of sick. It was the next

49:14

day you went in the club when it was empty, that's when it pen

49:16

and inked, that's when it was another level. I

49:19

went to, I

49:22

went to Charles Bronson's wedding to...

49:24

Did you? I was in the pool, she's

49:26

not here now. When was this? Two

49:29

years ago. We

49:32

wrote, it was a fan of mine when I

49:34

was in Big Brother and he used to write

49:37

to me. So he's a very interesting man.

49:39

Yeah. He's very polite, pleasant. So

49:41

I became a fan, a

49:43

friend. A friend. So I went

49:45

to his wedding, he wasn't there, he was by video link.

49:48

And I'm sat in the bar having

49:51

a drink, talking to someone, trying to do a

49:53

Cockney accent. You're not Cockney!

49:56

It was... I think

49:59

this is one of the... Richardson's or the

50:01

Addams daughters and

50:03

I was like alright okay. You

50:07

win. Someone to argue. Why was

50:10

it like getting a Charles Bronson's

50:12

wedding when he's not there? Weird.

50:16

Yeah. I mean it was

50:19

kind of car crash but

50:21

it was so car crash it's just like

50:24

curiosity got better of me. Where

50:26

was it? Where's he in prison? Is

50:29

he Belmarsh? Belmarsh. Where is

50:31

that? London.

50:34

No it's not Belmarsh. No. It

50:36

was up north.

50:38

Okay. I

50:41

think he's done every prison. Yeah. This

50:43

was a few years ago. So you

50:46

mentioned that how did he get in contact with you?

50:55

He probably wrote to my management

50:58

company and they just

51:00

passed it on. Then we got each other numbers. I was

51:03

going to visit him one day. Yeah. That'd be fine. I

51:05

think he should have been let out. I

51:08

agree. I agree when you've got with

51:10

the people we have got in. Yeah.

51:12

When the

51:14

people who have been let out for a much

51:16

worse thing. Yeah. And I

51:19

wonder if it's for his own

51:21

safety in some respects. No. I

51:23

mean he's institutionalised now is he?

51:26

What do you reckon? Oh

51:28

definitely he's been inside of this nearby 50. He's going

51:30

to be institutionalised but where would he go? I had

51:32

this. I did this in a

51:35

new job. He seems like a nice bloke who's just

51:38

another geezer off the street but he's been made

51:40

into something that. I said on a GMTV. I said

51:42

I'd call me on to talk about it. I said

51:45

I'd let him

51:48

live next door to me. Yeah. I said okay. I

51:51

mean obviously. We just had on. Who did we

51:53

have on the other day? George Shipton. George Shipton

51:56

who was Belmarsh the 12 years prison officer. He

51:58

became really close with. Charlie

52:01

Bronson. What did he say? He speaks very

52:03

highly of him. He said he was the, they

52:08

were called the Charlie's Angels. There were

52:10

certain prison officers who really enjoyed being around Charlie,

52:12

Charlie didn't enjoy being around him. He was just

52:14

like, he was a normal geezer. You give him

52:16

respect, you give you respect. How

52:19

life should be, right? And it'd probably bring a lot

52:21

of good things

52:24

out to the real world because that's

52:26

what he knows. When

52:29

I saw the

52:32

media, not new media, I would

52:34

have called the old media, I

52:37

thought how they denigrated him and

52:39

like, he killed someone, he's

52:41

dangerous, I'm like, he's never killed anyone.

52:44

Yeah. And I thought how they... There's

52:46

hundreds of thousands of people in the streets at the moment, a hundred

52:48

times worse than, you know. When

52:52

was it when you mentioned there you

52:54

become a face to liberty, when

52:56

was it when you got that celebrity status? I

53:00

touched it, I had a touch of it in

53:02

around 2003. I

53:06

mean, I'd done lots of big fights, so

53:09

I was kind of known in my own circuit, but

53:11

it was minor. Then

53:13

I had a touch of it when I, after

53:16

acting school, I left acting school

53:18

2002 to 2003, I was in Hollyoaks as a

53:21

first little taste of, oh wow, it's

53:23

just quite fun, this is cool.

53:26

Although I was still insecure,

53:30

but it was nice and then I went, there's lots

53:32

of sex at that time. Well,

53:34

there wasn't actually because I was insecure. Then I

53:36

sort of like, after you've been out

53:38

of Hollyoaks, I was like, oh, don't you?

53:41

You're a good guy, what's going on? Why don't

53:43

you sort yourself out? Then I just started being

53:47

more confident. And

53:52

when was it when you got invited and how did

53:54

you get invited to get on to Celebrity Big

53:57

Brother? interesting

54:00

was about to come out isn't it? Celebrity

54:03

Big Brother. ITV just bought it.

54:07

So again ITV have just bought

54:10

Celebrity Big Brother. Okay. Because it was

54:12

Channel 4 then it went to Channel

54:15

5. Endemore. Yes, still Endemore. I've worked

54:24

externally in the

54:26

acting and presenting. I'd just gone on my

54:29

own TV show, Alex Reed The Fight My

54:31

Life where I went round the world with

54:33

Bravo. And

54:36

then just at the same time as

54:38

I did that and that was like I was

54:40

going to be a presenter, checking out different martial

54:42

arts. Just around

54:45

the same time I

54:47

met my first wife.

54:50

Which is who? K2.

54:54

Do you call her Jordan or do you

54:57

call her Katie? I just

55:01

said KP. KP. KP.

55:03

So I met her. Where

55:06

did you meet her? Facebook.

55:11

Facebook. My mate,

55:13

she wanted to make Peter Andre

55:15

jealous because they used to watch

55:17

UFC. So she got

55:19

up a cage fight and my mate was training her in

55:22

a gym in Brighton. So

55:24

I met her.

55:27

The way I'm talking about it

55:29

I find it difficult because everyone I've ever mentioned

55:31

her name it just goes. She's only talking about

55:33

her again. But I mean

55:38

she's been quite an integral part of my life. So

55:40

let's mention it. Life just

55:44

went crazy. It was like I was on LSD. I

55:47

wasn't taking LSD but the whole world went

55:49

different. It was like this

55:52

is surreal. I mean I was everywhere. Everywhere.

55:54

And I started to

55:59

attract negative. attention unfortunately because of

56:01

her negativity. She

56:04

actually split up me live on I

56:07

Am A Celebrity Get Me Out of It when I've flown over

56:09

to welcome her over the bridge

56:12

and I'm like wow okay. It was fun to

56:14

be one of the most hundred cringy

56:17

celebrity moments in the history of they

56:19

do those things on Channel yeah number

56:21

one I won that I won. So

56:23

you got together with her in 2010

56:26

did you say

56:29

via Facebook? 2009, 2009.

56:32

And were you a bit like starstruck around her

56:34

at all? She was one of the

56:36

main faces in the UK at the time. I was aware of

56:38

her and

56:41

my previous girlfriend used to buy a magazine

56:43

and I remember okay why is she in

56:45

this? Yeah. Why do you follow this? And

56:48

then my mate said do you think she's coming out?

56:51

Go on in. I thought

56:53

yeah she sounds like fun she'd be a bit of fun.

56:57

Interesting open-minded we can my

57:01

kind of person hmm got that

57:03

wrong. So

57:05

we went out and we hit it

57:07

off. Yeah it was great. It was

57:09

all exciting. Good laugh, out drinking, partying.

57:11

Yeah that's what it was. She

57:15

splits out of me. How long were you going out of a

57:18

form? I thought I was going to do a story about two

57:20

years. And you got married? Yeah and

57:22

then so when she splits up me that

57:24

was big big news because she

57:27

was massive news everybody still lives to some

57:29

degree less. She's really waning now which is

57:31

I try to avoid the association which is

57:33

unfortunate and then

57:36

big brother comes out so I'm

57:40

a celebs around November big brothers in

57:42

January back then and

57:44

they I was everywhere and

57:47

they said oh we'd like to have you on. So

57:50

I did and I was really hated going there was

57:52

42 on odds to win and

57:55

I was booed I was shouted at and tomatoes

57:58

thrown at me going in and And

58:00

then I didn't even want to go in. But

58:02

I had like a mind man who helped me with all my

58:04

fights to train me

58:06

to be the best. And he said, look, I think you need to go

58:08

in to show people the real you

58:10

because this isn't fair. And I

58:13

did, I did, I showed him my awards and I got the

58:15

highest back in the history of Big Brother. And you won? I

58:18

did. That's on 66% of my time,

58:20

20 million. And I was like, that's nice,

58:22

that's nice. I felt like, no, for a

58:24

while, I felt secure. That people loved

58:26

me. And I'm like, but you've

58:29

got to love yourself. Yeah. And I

58:32

didn't. That just comes from

58:34

within, right? Yeah. I mean, I've learned to love

58:36

myself 100%. And that's when-

58:38

How much did you get paid to go into the Big

58:40

Brother? It wasn't mega. I

58:42

remember, I think

58:45

it was 120K. Happy

58:47

days. Yeah, it's not bad. Well,

58:49

I couldn't spend 90 of that. 90

58:52

of that. So I gave, I've got my

58:54

commission 20% to the manager. And

58:56

then what's that I left over? And it's not a mega

58:59

amount. I spent it all on a

59:01

ring. Did ya? What

59:03

made you, how long were you going out of a four

59:05

to think I want to marry Katie Price? Six

59:13

months. Yeah, it's

59:15

not enough time. And what made you think you want to marry?

59:19

Young diamond. Full

59:22

of. Yeah. Yeah.

59:24

Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

59:26

it was all sparkly and exciting. And,

59:30

you know, in hindsight, knowing what love really is now.

59:32

Yeah. I

59:35

mean, you've been with your missus for 20 years.

59:37

How long were you put together before you got

59:39

married? Uh,

59:41

five years. Five years? Yeah.

59:44

And that's good enough. Well, you get to

59:46

know the proper person. You get to live with them, you

59:48

understand them. You get what they like. I think that's important.

59:51

My habits though, you know, you get to learn. I

59:53

love Nicola, my

59:55

fiancee now, but I've been with her for 10

59:58

years and we're engaged. but

1:00:00

we're not married. And

1:00:03

initially I didn't want to give a half

1:00:05

of everything which was debt. You

1:00:07

know, I've worked with her because I've

1:00:09

been in a lot of cool hearings. There's

1:00:11

been a lot of, let's rewind. Yeah, I wanna

1:00:13

rewind. I wanna know this bit here. You meet

1:00:16

Katie, you're with her six months. Do

1:00:18

you get married? Where did you get

1:00:20

married? Vegas. You're

1:00:23

joking me. On a quick inhale,

1:00:26

bang, dong. Come out of Big

1:00:28

Brother. And

1:00:30

I was like, she

1:00:32

was like, she'd split up with me just before but

1:00:34

she was there to greet me and she said, oh,

1:00:36

let's get married. Okay,

1:00:39

and like, so my, my short,

1:00:41

I'm not saying this with angst

1:00:44

because I've let that go now, but I mean,

1:00:46

there's no, there's no viciousness here. But

1:00:49

my, actually

1:00:52

what happened, my moment to shine was

1:00:54

overshone by all of the Katie

1:00:57

Price fiasco. I

1:01:01

was besotted and

1:01:03

she told me to not sign with

1:01:05

her. I had all these agents and

1:01:07

managers who had all deals, had 2.2

1:01:09

million on the table in deals. Well,

1:01:11

you did personally, post Big Brother. With

1:01:13

my management who had actually organized

1:01:16

it and not to do with her.

1:01:19

The guys who got me the TV show before

1:01:21

that as well, my own TV show

1:01:23

before that. So I had success in my own right.

1:01:26

But the thing is, and I've built up,

1:01:29

I've been in the media longer than she has, but

1:01:33

she's, the car crashed, so

1:01:35

she's everywhere. It

1:01:39

just, it shuddered me. So

1:01:41

I, like, who's Alex Reed? He's always Katie Price's ex.

1:01:44

And the first thing you said for Katie Price,

1:01:46

oh, got it. Yeah, okay. So, all

1:01:49

right. So I, You must

1:01:51

have taken for it what it was. Yeah. Because

1:01:53

you must have, there must have been plus points of

1:01:56

Katie Price's deals with more on the

1:01:58

table because they're good. If you turn

1:02:00

up, make sure you bring Katie with you. No, not

1:02:02

at all. The reverse. I

1:02:06

was just about to go in a start

1:02:08

in a BBC drama on BBC.

1:02:12

I've been, just a, I

1:02:15

was, it was like 100 people down to

1:02:17

three people. No, I still might not have

1:02:19

got it. But then when

1:02:21

the headlines come out, I thought

1:02:24

it was Katie, they just, the BBC just didn't wanna

1:02:26

know. Okay. I was like, sorry,

1:02:28

they just- So added downsides as

1:02:30

well. Oh, massive. Being associated. Okay,

1:02:33

roll on, roll on. Seven

1:02:37

years later after I was, eight years later after I

1:02:39

was with her. And I've not been,

1:02:41

I'm not with her. I'm

1:02:44

just about to do a 50 grand

1:02:46

BMW commercial. And

1:02:48

again, I'd

1:02:51

been in for three auditions to

1:02:53

see the BMW because they loved me. And

1:02:56

then it all went quiet. I'm a

1:02:58

funny agent. Mary, what's going

1:03:00

on? Alexander, have you not seen the papers?

1:03:03

Well, what's going on? She'd

1:03:07

done some horrible headline where, think of

1:03:09

the worst porn

1:03:13

you can imagine it. And then times

1:03:15

it by a million. That's what I had to endure with Alex

1:03:17

Reed. I'm like, hold on a

1:03:19

minute, what's going on? So it's for

1:03:21

a family brand like BMW. And

1:03:24

I just, I can't keep going on. So I started

1:03:26

legal proceedings to stop the slander. And

1:03:28

it, you know, we talk about that bit more

1:03:30

later. What was she actually like? When

1:03:33

you first met her, did you, is it somewhat

1:03:35

completely different to what she turned into once

1:03:38

she was married with you? Yeah,

1:03:41

no, I don't think so. I just didn't see it.

1:03:44

It was all sparkly and new. And like I said,

1:03:46

it's like, I wasn't, I

1:03:49

was so new to this whole world,

1:03:51

although I had experienced some celebrity in

1:03:53

Hollyoaks, but not to this level. There's

1:03:56

levels. I mean, I was on the red

1:03:58

carpet meeting. like proper

1:04:00

A list stars almost regularly like

1:04:03

every other day and it's like

1:04:05

it's like oh It's

1:04:07

beyond surreal and you're

1:04:09

everywhere you go. Everybody knows you and knows

1:04:11

your stuff before you know it It's

1:04:14

literally funny enough. I'm in the papers. We spoke

1:04:16

today. I've even read it though. I mean the

1:04:18

Sun is at the moment There's an

1:04:20

article that she's come out But

1:04:25

I Normally that would happen all the time. So I'll

1:04:27

be doing an interview or something and I'm like You'll

1:04:30

know more information than me about what's being

1:04:32

said and I was I was up

1:04:34

with live on air On

1:04:36

TV say that well, she split up with you live

1:04:39

on it. Why why why? I

1:04:41

mean why what? How do you

1:04:43

spell with someone live in there? Cuz I had She

1:04:46

thought I was doing a story Why

1:04:49

are you still going out with her? Yeah, I was

1:04:51

going over to propose to her I'm

1:04:54

like I'd already proposed to her like Live

1:04:56

on it, but I'd already proposed to apply it two months before I

1:05:02

Don't know Madness

1:05:04

my it really was

1:05:06

I was mad. I was madly in love

1:05:09

for us. I wasn't in love. I was

1:05:11

mad Yeah, and knowing what love is ultimately

1:05:13

the whole relationship finished because I became

1:05:15

boring And I and

1:05:17

because I start I stopped wanting to see I

1:05:19

saw the facade of Fakeness surrounding

1:05:22

the whole world. I didn't like it. I

1:05:24

said I don't I said I wish you

1:05:26

weren't famous Then we could have

1:05:28

a proper relationship Because then I

1:05:30

started to realize it wasn't a nice world. I Then

1:05:35

what was it like what we're talking 2010 11 12

1:05:37

year on me Was

1:05:42

it like going into Being

1:05:45

a cage fight and then all of a sudden

1:05:47

having news better celebrity status within that world wasn't

1:05:50

fit It was very it was ridiculous.

1:05:52

It was like I mean catastrophic. No, but in that

1:05:54

world like the age fighting world I'm saying you you

1:05:56

had you some let's say it's in. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

1:05:58

I'm talking about but then when all and then

1:06:00

suddenly you enter this world and you're at

1:06:02

every opening of every show you're at. What's that

1:06:04

feeling like knowing the press are hounding you? Have

1:06:06

you got cars chasing you taking

1:06:08

photographs? Yeah, all the time. Give me an

1:06:11

understanding of what it's like. Every

1:06:14

single day, everywhere, everywhere.

1:06:16

Give me an example. And like your, I

1:06:18

was like slipping up the picture and

1:06:21

it's like because

1:06:24

that's how she makes money. She

1:06:27

didn't want to give them any exclusives.

1:06:31

She didn't want to get the picture. And I remember,

1:06:35

so occasionally she would do set-up patch shots and

1:06:38

I'd tip them as well. And like when I

1:06:40

come up with a brother, I picked her up

1:06:42

and carried her in my arms

1:06:44

and I'm like, I didn't saw

1:06:46

a penny of that. It wasn't

1:06:48

about that, but that picture went

1:06:50

everywhere. And I'm like, oh,

1:06:53

so if she's

1:06:55

making money, great, no

1:06:57

problem, but doesn't want to give a freebie away. I

1:07:00

kind of get it. It's your business. You know, he's

1:07:02

like, why are you going to get the free pictures

1:07:04

away? That's basically what it is.

1:07:07

You're robbing from me by taking the pictures

1:07:09

because the pictures were worth money back then. It's

1:07:13

not like that now. The whole

1:07:15

industry has changed. And also you

1:07:18

become boring if you keep doing the same

1:07:20

thing all the time. How many times can you fall

1:07:22

out of a bar and wear a tight

1:07:24

dress and your

1:07:26

boobs fall out or do something crazy? So you've

1:07:28

got to start making it more and more shockable,

1:07:33

more car crash because people

1:07:35

get bored. I mean,

1:07:37

I used to look at her and

1:07:41

think, I don't even look at her anymore. I sit

1:07:45

with my nose mentioned, of course I do because I

1:07:47

have to do damage control. That's the thing. I

1:07:50

would, talking about looking at negative headlines,

1:07:54

if you were in the paper, I'd be

1:07:56

intrigued. Would you look at them? Would you look at them? If

1:07:58

I was in the paper. We

1:08:04

do this right and I say something, if

1:08:06

I go, if I release some of that gunpowder I

1:08:09

talked about, we could get in the

1:08:11

paper in a milli-circuit. Or

1:08:13

this conversation. Yeah, if I said some things.

1:08:16

Would you be looking at it, wouldn't you? Yeah, I would.

1:08:19

And would you read the comments? Yeah, I would. Have

1:08:25

you done press and media

1:08:28

before? Yeah.

1:08:30

So you've had a comment section.

1:08:33

People talked about you. Yeah. They

1:08:35

said nasty things? No.

1:08:40

And the thing is you can only go on really

1:08:42

where we're at now, we've been on YouTube, people leave

1:08:44

loads and loads of comments. And

1:08:47

before we started YouTube a year ago, people were like,

1:08:49

oh, be careful YouTube, be careful. It's

1:08:52

been really, really nice. The

1:08:54

comments have been really nice. But

1:08:57

again, you don't know what's around the corner in this world and

1:08:59

the world you're in. But if you

1:09:01

were to say, oh, we'll have a conversation about something

1:09:03

and then you're going to read, I would read the

1:09:05

first few comments and everything, if you had a load

1:09:07

of neg or something, I'd think, oh, I don't need

1:09:09

to read that. Correct. I don't want

1:09:12

it in my mind. And I, sticks

1:09:14

and stones may break my bones but

1:09:16

names will always hurt me. That's

1:09:19

how it bells. You

1:09:21

learn initially when you're, and

1:09:24

I've had other friends who've experienced a little bit

1:09:26

of celebrity and they get the same thing. They

1:09:28

say, how do you deal with it? I can't

1:09:30

stand it. At first, I want to fight everybody.

1:09:32

It's such horrible things. But you're also

1:09:35

a lot younger then. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:38

And also early thirties, right? More testosterone.

1:09:40

Yeah. But then after a

1:09:42

hundred times of fighting everybody, you're like, oh,

1:09:45

it's draining. I can't do this

1:09:47

anymore. Then

1:09:50

it would be like, there'd be 999 nasty,

1:09:53

great comments, one bad comment. You focus on the

1:09:55

one bad comment. And you start to realize that. And then

1:09:57

now I don't look at the comments. I

1:10:00

do. If I'm doing a campaign

1:10:02

or something or about to release a

1:10:04

brand in mother care, I need

1:10:06

to be... Well comment your feedback.

1:10:08

Yeah. You need to know.

1:10:10

I'm sure you want the comments about...

1:10:13

you want the bad comments, not... you don't want

1:10:15

the bad comments, but you need to know if

1:10:17

someone's not happy that your product, your events are...

1:10:20

Absolutely. So you can make it better. Of course.

1:10:23

But when it's personal... Constructive feedback to

1:10:25

improve a business or something. You need

1:10:27

to wear all this. So Dodgy's events

1:10:29

are bloody brilliant. He's just a C-U-N-T.

1:10:32

He's a bit too short.

1:10:35

He's not

1:10:39

sensible. He's not clever enough. I don't

1:10:42

like Dodgy's... Okay,

1:10:44

now that happens like 100

1:10:47

times. Some of it

1:10:50

seeps in. And it doesn't matter... I

1:10:53

don't read that. I used to.

1:10:55

Well I don't get that anymore, thank

1:10:57

goodness. But initially, I did

1:10:59

get that. That must be hard to

1:11:01

deal with. It is. And I see how... How

1:11:03

would you react? It's a mental act. How would

1:11:05

you say... how are we going to deal with

1:11:07

that? Did you feel manipulated at all in the

1:11:09

relationship? No. Yeah.

1:11:12

That's why the relationship ended. Because

1:11:15

I stopped... Did you fight back? I stopped capitulating.

1:11:17

No, I just... not physically. Not physically, but fight

1:11:19

back saying I ain't doing that. No, exactly. I

1:11:21

did that. I got tired of being the whooping

1:11:23

boy. Yeah. And then I

1:11:25

did the same thing after the second relationship I

1:11:27

had with another famous person.

1:11:31

What happened with Katie

1:11:34

Price and yourself with the sex

1:11:36

tape? Or sex... she put

1:11:38

something out there with sex tape? Or what's

1:11:41

going on there? Yeah.

1:11:46

Yeah, that's very unfortunate. Listen, I'm

1:11:49

not embarrassed or

1:11:54

ashamed. Of

1:11:56

things I've done. Because I'm not done anything

1:11:58

immoral. I'm

1:12:01

embarrassed. I'm not ashamed. I'm embarrassed

1:12:04

of. If we

1:12:06

stand here naked now and plop

1:12:08

our doodars out, it's not the

1:12:10

right thing to do. There's etiquette. And I

1:12:13

have children, we have children and we have,

1:12:16

it's not going to be good for your brand. So

1:12:18

that's very damaging to my brand. This is why

1:12:20

I was talking about I started legal proceedings in

1:12:22

2017, because

1:12:25

of salacious media. It

1:12:28

just so happens that

1:12:31

a year later, six

1:12:33

months later, because crop proceedings went on for

1:12:35

like four or five years, six

1:12:37

months later, she shared a video on

1:12:39

Big Brothers built on the side, an

1:12:41

audience of 40 sex footage that

1:12:43

I'd never seen. I wasn't aware of. That's revengeful.

1:12:46

And I'm like, it's,

1:12:49

it's all, it's all having a joke and everyone and

1:12:52

I've had all these jokes and I'm like, I can

1:12:54

laugh. I'm not transparent. I can have a laugh. But

1:12:56

when it's, it's affecting you as

1:12:58

a brand and your ability to put

1:13:00

food on the table for your children,

1:13:02

it becomes very serious. And

1:13:04

it's, it's, and it's the jokes are like,

1:13:06

okay, this is funny now. But

1:13:10

it's, it's not funny at all. And

1:13:12

it's as you're taking the livelihood and it's like,

1:13:14

I think it's done perfectly. It

1:13:17

was done purposely to try and

1:13:19

destroy me financially, physically, spiritually, mentally.

1:13:22

So I have to, for my own children and

1:13:25

my friends and family, I have to make a

1:13:27

stand. Yeah. Did

1:13:29

you both know that you were being filmed

1:13:31

Evan six? That's what

1:13:33

I just said. No. And she was

1:13:36

a witness in

1:13:39

a court hearing and she, she shared,

1:13:41

she said, Tom, the judge, she had

1:13:43

evidence of my sexual depravity. Right.

1:13:45

Okay. What

1:13:47

is it? Okay. What are you talking about?

1:13:50

Oh, she's got a video. Is she? I

1:13:53

want to see the video then. Okay. So the

1:13:55

recess court and we went back, back

1:13:58

backstage backstage. I caught a room

1:14:00

on the side to go and watch this video. And

1:14:02

she showed me this video on her phone. She took

1:14:05

a bus while we were having

1:14:08

sex. And I'm like, I can't believe you've

1:14:10

done that. Wow.

1:14:13

And yeah, and that's what you get. If

1:14:15

you mess with me, I'm like, you're saying it's in

1:14:17

front of your lawyer and your solicitor. I

1:14:20

can't believe it. And at the time

1:14:22

I was fighting another hearing. I was fighting another

1:14:24

case, which I can't talk about. Yeah,

1:14:27

and she said she threatened me in

1:14:30

front of my lawyer and solicitor. And I said to

1:14:32

him, can't we tell? So, you know, that's bad. Got

1:14:35

too much going on with this upper case at the moment.

1:14:37

That's another case. And then at

1:14:39

the time, I had lots of money,

1:14:41

money bags. These hearings,

1:14:44

they cost money. And

1:14:46

why you're fighting in hearings? I

1:14:49

run a foundation. I'll talk about it now.

1:14:51

I run the Bob Reid Foundation. Bob Reid

1:14:53

was my father, loving man who

1:14:55

loves children. He, I formed the foundation to look

1:14:58

after parents

1:15:03

going through family courts. So,

1:15:06

yeah, because

1:15:08

it's absolutely. Organization,

1:15:12

I shouldn't say that, but I've just said it.

1:15:16

Child Maintenance Service. There's a

1:15:18

bigger scandal coming out now than the post office

1:15:20

scandal. Long story short, I'll talk

1:15:22

about it more. There's

1:15:25

so much complicit at

1:15:27

every level from social services,

1:15:29

CAPCAS, Child

1:15:31

Maintenance Service, the family courts, all the

1:15:33

way up to government officials, barristers,

1:15:36

judges, magistrates. And

1:15:39

it's going to be exposed. It can't not

1:15:41

be exposed. There's too many whistleblowers

1:15:43

coming out. There's too many stories. There's five

1:15:46

to seven people dying every day directly related

1:15:48

to what's going on. So, I'm very passionate

1:15:50

about it. Well, I'm

1:15:52

fighting all these cases and I'm presented

1:15:55

with this video. I'm

1:16:00

fighting like all these different battles on

1:16:02

different fronts, which is why I have

1:16:05

stress. It's not surprising. I

1:16:07

have PTSD. I don't

1:16:09

ever talk, not being diagnosed with that, but

1:16:12

I'm self-diagnosed by when you're getting flashbacks and

1:16:14

you read about it and you understand I've

1:16:17

got every single symptom. Understandably, I've

1:16:19

done all the good stuff to

1:16:21

combat that. That's why I

1:16:23

look at stuff now. And maybe I

1:16:26

shouldn't. I've become reactionary.

1:16:29

I don't need cocaine or caffeine

1:16:32

because I'm... I need

1:16:34

things to calm me down. You

1:16:38

ever had that? You've been attacked on multiple fronts? No.

1:16:44

And it's... Listen, I'm a fighter. I've had

1:16:46

over 300 fights. I've mixed with some very

1:16:49

scary people. At points I

1:16:51

was right, I felt invincible. Really

1:16:54

invincible. In fact, the most

1:16:56

peaceful place in the world when

1:16:59

all this was going on, and

1:17:01

I wasn't training like I

1:17:03

was a professional, because I had

1:17:05

three fights from around 2014 to 2015 because I was on so much

1:17:07

stress. I

1:17:12

had three fights just to take me away from

1:17:14

stress. It

1:17:17

was the most peaceful place because I didn't have the media attacking

1:17:19

me, didn't have judges attacking me. I

1:17:21

didn't have the stress. All I had to worry

1:17:23

about was this guy trying to kill me. That

1:17:26

was relieving. Isn't that weird? And

1:17:31

it was a different thing. I wasn't in there to

1:17:33

be the best. I wanted to fight to be the

1:17:36

heavyweight champion of the world. And

1:17:39

we'll talk about Michael Visiben, who I remember I was friendly with.

1:17:42

I wanted to be the champion. It was so motivated.

1:17:44

I was focused on my goal. And

1:17:47

then look, you get sidetracked while all these psychological

1:17:50

demons continually battling you,

1:17:52

taking you away from

1:17:54

what's important to you. I

1:17:57

Mean, it's important to pay the

1:17:59

bills. Put food on a cable,

1:18:01

but. Pursuit. Yo I want

1:18:04

to go into i wanted to my

1:18:06

life and achieve things greatness. But when

1:18:08

you're. Been. Continually

1:18:11

attacked him into fi all these.

1:18:14

Different. Silly things. He. Out

1:18:16

not concentrate know go to get

1:18:18

jobs. And. Being creative,

1:18:20

Yeah, go to visit Lawyers

1:18:22

go to City Fruit. Thousands.

1:18:25

Of emails and legal work and. His

1:18:27

son. And ah this is what

1:18:30

loss will have on and shut. The.

1:18:32

Says was actually sounds painful as

1:18:34

soon as the and and to

1:18:36

see the pain my parents. And

1:18:39

school I loved ones. Who.

1:18:41

Loved me so much. a lot to

1:18:43

a copy happy guy. I'm happy. I'm

1:18:45

really happy and faking it. I have

1:18:47

a fake it again. This it. I

1:18:50

am happy Now I really am. I

1:18:52

the have to get my stresses and strains. And

1:18:56

my children are juxtaposed.

1:18:58

Absolutely adore them. But

1:19:00

it up. As

1:19:02

days will just was also at that

1:19:05

for a couple of nights and a

1:19:07

young girl through your own and know

1:19:09

that period. The you say not least

1:19:11

Which Revenge porn. How

1:19:13

many years did that go on for? Get

1:19:18

it? Was some some

1:19:20

twenty each. well when you split up to

1:19:22

now at twelve years line so good for

1:19:24

a lil for and boy afraid different police

1:19:26

investigation gun or this week. As

1:19:29

six caption on yes the Police.

1:19:32

Manchester. Essex and about

1:19:34

seventy police forces about.

1:19:36

I'm somewhat. Be

1:19:38

a threat, get a good friend all the time.

1:19:41

lot the of on a difference at all the

1:19:43

time I have had at. A

1:19:47

considerable amount of French.

1:19:51

I've only had one this year. Apply

1:19:53

to begin at the get Bunko

1:19:56

South item. prices on the

1:19:58

phone calls and some Sometimes it's hoaxes

1:20:00

and stuff and I'm an ex-dorm and

1:20:03

an ex-paratuber. Yeah, I'm going

1:20:05

to kill you, you're in trouble, I'm like, okay, right.

1:20:07

You get all that. You know

1:20:09

that's a load of rubbish, but you still, it doesn't

1:20:11

matter if it's a load of rubbish, you still take

1:20:13

it seriously. Well, it's going to jolt you, isn't it?

1:20:16

Yeah, okay, right. If someone's calling

1:20:18

you up and they're talking specifically

1:20:20

intimate things that

1:20:24

only people privy to the intimate

1:20:26

things, that's different. That's

1:20:29

different and I've had that a

1:20:31

lot. I mean,

1:20:33

I was blackmailed in

1:20:37

2013, around the time of

1:20:39

that other case I was

1:20:42

talking about earlier where Katie

1:20:47

shared that video to my lawyers. I

1:20:49

was blackmailed at the same time. I

1:20:52

love a case. Give me

1:20:54

an example of that blackmail. Oh,

1:20:57

they, um... Katie's

1:21:07

laptop went missing a

1:21:10

week before this court case. On

1:21:14

that laptop was a sex dossier of lots

1:21:16

of different people. Peter

1:21:18

Andre. I

1:21:21

was a sex lawyer

1:21:23

myself. I remember seeing this

1:21:28

coming in one day and when I was with

1:21:31

her and the kids were at

1:21:33

the table and

1:21:35

they're playing with the laptop and that puts

1:21:37

these videos. What the... I saw an image

1:21:39

of like, I

1:21:41

ran over and slammed it shut. I was

1:21:43

like, what are you doing? What's

1:21:45

going on? What's going on? I went absolutely crazy.

1:21:48

Delete this at once. How come you took that? It

1:21:50

wasn't just me. There was other people on

1:21:53

there. And she promised me it had gone deleted. I

1:21:57

wasn't privy to that conversation. And that

1:21:59

was... That was a year,

1:22:01

that was when I was with her. And

1:22:03

then so a couple of

1:22:05

years later when I was in court and I saw this

1:22:08

video, it was a different video I

1:22:10

hadn't seen, she filmed us all the

1:22:12

time. And

1:22:14

I wasn't aware. I was

1:22:17

not aware. I was like, I

1:22:19

like, there's things, I don't, there's

1:22:21

not something, I'm, as

1:22:24

much as I'm an extrovert, I don't want that stuff out

1:22:26

there. Especially not when I've got

1:22:28

children. And literally

1:22:30

being threatened on

1:22:32

TV shows like This Morning, GMTV,

1:22:35

Loose Swimming, literally directly

1:22:38

threatening me saying I should better shut up or

1:22:40

that's gonna come out. I'm like, hmm.

1:22:46

It was just before 2015, which is when

1:22:48

the revenge porn laws come out. As

1:22:50

I said, I'm not, it's not, I'm

1:22:54

not ashamed, I'm not ashamed, but

1:22:56

I'm embarrassed. I don't want

1:22:58

that out for your children. Oh, your mum and

1:23:01

dad seeing that. Or your family. There's

1:23:03

only so much piss take you can have, right? But

1:23:06

then it gets deeper and deeper with

1:23:08

the whole public knowing. How

1:23:11

did you deal with that? That

1:23:15

was suicidal. Yeah,

1:23:18

yeah, it's horrendous. I,

1:23:20

as I told you, I went

1:23:23

to what my self-safe is,

1:23:26

training. I

1:23:31

trained, trained like a demon. There's

1:23:34

escapism. I

1:23:43

took fights when I wasn't sure I'd taken fights. Not

1:23:47

to be the best, just to be numb. Did

1:23:50

some drugs, not

1:23:53

Megromount. Because I never really

1:23:55

thought that was the, I have sensible enough to think

1:23:57

of this is, this will numb me up and this

1:23:59

might be. feel good and I was like,

1:24:01

this is stupid. I was sensible enough to do

1:24:03

that. I

1:24:05

don't make it sensible to get in a cage without really being ready

1:24:08

and fight a bad-ass. Because

1:24:10

the level of guys I was fighting are absolute killers.

1:24:14

Yeah, but it was

1:24:16

an adrenaline streak to take me away from me.

1:24:20

For the period of six weeks, I could be

1:24:22

focused on, I'd train a bit, but not like

1:24:24

I used to train. I mean, like, I

1:24:27

wasn't going to the gym to

1:24:29

be the best, I was just going to the gym to

1:24:31

be distracted. Yeah. And

1:24:34

focused. Yeah, to not think

1:24:36

about something. You say you had suicidal

1:24:38

thoughts, what sort of thoughts were they? I

1:24:41

think, and I've talked about this a lot, I

1:24:43

mean, I've had therapy in the past with suicide.

1:24:46

I've never wanted to actually do it, but

1:24:50

I think it's quite common for

1:24:52

people to think when someone, when

1:24:54

everyone suffers pain at some point in their life,

1:24:57

and you think, oh, I wish I wasn't

1:24:59

here. This is, when you get pain,

1:25:01

that bad, and you don't know how to handle it, you

1:25:04

just, it's quite a common, you

1:25:06

ever had that feeling? You've

1:25:08

got something, you just, you're not going

1:25:10

to act on it, but you contemplate, oh, I

1:25:12

might not want to be here. This is be

1:25:15

steezier. I'll re-encompete into another

1:25:17

body and start again and do it all over, or

1:25:19

whatever, if that's one of your belief patterns. I'd just

1:25:22

rather not be here right now. You ever thought that?

1:25:25

No. Never? No. So

1:25:28

I, it is quite

1:25:30

common for a lot of men. I've had a lot

1:25:32

of people on the call, we had 200 episodes now

1:25:34

on the podcast. It is a common

1:25:36

thing here. And

1:25:38

it's something that's not spoken about, and that's why

1:25:40

we've got a wonderful platform where people can speak

1:25:42

about it, to help others. By

1:25:44

you speaking up, we'll help thousands of

1:25:47

others listening. I've, I've, I'm

1:25:50

going to talk about some things in a minute. We're going to get a

1:25:52

bit heavy, but,

1:25:54

well, we're getting heavy now. The spiritual thing.

1:26:01

It's become more and more common and someone

1:26:03

who I started to

1:26:05

to be positive

1:26:07

and negative is better to get rid

1:26:09

of negative thoughts than to have more

1:26:11

positive thoughts to be successful. I

1:26:14

understand there's always going to be negativity.

1:26:16

I was bullied as a kid. I

1:26:19

felt insecure. That's my mindset. So I

1:26:21

understand myself and it's really weird. I

1:26:23

can be the almost alpha male in

1:26:25

the room. Get anyone and then next

1:26:27

in a millisecond I can be like

1:26:30

a dweeb so insecure. I'm like what the hell is going

1:26:33

on? And I say multiple personalities. It

1:26:35

really is. I haven't

1:26:37

been diagnosed with that. I

1:26:40

think we all have different personalities. You're someone different

1:26:42

to your kid than you are to your wife.

1:26:45

Or maybe not. You're someone different. If you're

1:26:47

in a courtroom, you're going

1:26:49

to be different to the judge or the police officer

1:26:51

than you are to your mates down the pump. We've

1:26:54

put on our aggressors darling. Do

1:26:58

you actually

1:27:00

have a telephone voice? No. You

1:27:03

don't? No. Well I don't know. It all

1:27:05

depends who you're speaking to. So

1:27:07

you do. I guess you just mentioned

1:27:09

nothing. You're speaking to the Queen. I

1:27:12

would want to pronounce my T's. There

1:27:15

you go. Why? Because

1:27:17

that's the right thing to do if it's

1:27:19

the King. So you're trying

1:27:21

to be better. I would want

1:27:24

to pronounce my T's. Yes.

1:27:26

I'd say yes instead of yeah. It

1:27:29

would make you trigger a few things for sure.

1:27:31

See as an actor, as a darling,

1:27:34

that's extremely cathartic. And

1:27:37

I imagine as you said this is

1:27:39

extremely cathartic because you're going through emotions.

1:27:42

I've done a lot of this. I've done a lot of

1:27:44

studying into my soul, especially when I'm trying to become a

1:27:47

character. I find acting so cathartic

1:27:49

so I love it. I love it pretending to

1:27:51

be different people and trying to understand

1:27:53

their problems and emotions. Because by doing

1:27:55

that you understand yourself. the

1:28:00

be different people were bell older crossed us

1:28:02

in. It. Or something he done

1:28:04

since it also allows it was happy it was

1:28:06

making a happy that you have a happy to

1:28:09

as you earn. Window.

1:28:11

At some of our. Crusher said.

1:28:16

We. Have stressed know may never oh susannah know

1:28:19

I might lead lot of say is a

1:28:21

big deal to me is no got the

1:28:23

ojo but i have no idea if if

1:28:25

you expectancy of a would be a big

1:28:27

deal may vote if mom is if I

1:28:29

was male mice is sold me were written

1:28:31

oils and that her. Their

1:28:34

knickers or whatever versus not my bags very

1:28:36

funny and but allah be begging us as

1:28:38

your thing and usa of as his film

1:28:40

about it up done that emulates thought set

1:28:43

of a lot will you take the place

1:28:45

or was it genuine in i wanted to

1:28:47

are like ago that allows snows is it

1:28:49

a didn't. I that's if you thought my

1:28:51

kit is that it. Is. Interested emphasis

1:28:53

would put known as the and so chi's without

1:28:56

I don't know that whole lot of scientists guy

1:28:58

does not from it was every rugby player of

1:29:00

all know have a subset of of the price

1:29:02

even all festival the cross dressing just is This

1:29:04

is a known as at the up at seven

1:29:06

of us on the smash you know the smiths

1:29:08

that smashes. On. The pier out

1:29:10

as that. someone else. Bonus. Although

1:29:13

I could see a copy of into a

1:29:15

Smash Skin Under Smash It Lily Go to

1:29:17

have. Ah, As

1:29:20

far. As slot is not like

1:29:22

come on what the pacific as though

1:29:24

it was hunter So we do it.

1:29:26

It was it fancy dress or was

1:29:28

it known Dine out Justin nice. Purpose?

1:29:31

yeah. Well aware that when I

1:29:33

did at home most of it

1:29:35

was of want to experiment. Waves

1:29:38

like to feel like something different.

1:29:41

As an actor. And. And

1:29:44

what rent as fuck aroma just saga. Roman

1:29:46

Allen as a club get that apply to

1:29:48

as a kid at the A.put on. My

1:29:51

sister's knickers in put on. it's a lot of

1:29:53

can we go a to fill with. Luck

1:29:56

Chameleon? Yeah, but what it was like to

1:29:58

feel like And. And clothes

1:30:02

really do, they alter you. If

1:30:05

you put on a smart suit, I've got a suit on,

1:30:07

I feel different in a tracksuit. I

1:30:11

got a haircut yesterday and I

1:30:13

shaved, you know, you're clean shaven.

1:30:15

If you're all scruffy, you feel different. And

1:30:18

that simply is someone who's experimenting. But

1:30:21

I don't have any fascination to want to do that

1:30:23

all the time. It's just there's something that

1:30:25

was interesting at the time. I thought

1:30:27

I'd do it again. I don't

1:30:29

have a desire to be a woman. This

1:30:34

is why I find it interesting. Is it more

1:30:36

for fun? As I

1:30:38

said, my fun

1:30:40

is experimenting, being inquisitive, asking

1:30:42

questions. So now the fact

1:30:44

that you've said that you

1:30:46

are, I see you're, I'm

1:30:49

not a psychologist, but just not being

1:30:51

an amateur psychologist. You,

1:30:55

your demeanour, the second I said I put

1:30:57

a dress in you, you went, oh no.

1:30:59

You instantly went masculine. So

1:31:02

my point is, that would be, it's so

1:31:04

add to you because you feel like it's

1:31:06

wrong. No,

1:31:09

it's not wrong

1:31:12

psychologically or it's

1:31:15

not wrong in society. But for you, for me, for you.

1:31:18

For me, it's a no go. Why

1:31:20

is that? Because I don't want to dress up as a person. I don't want

1:31:22

to dress up as a woman. If

1:31:25

we were going to play an action role. If

1:31:28

it was a fancy dress, a cross

1:31:30

dress, I'd find that very difficult as

1:31:32

well. Okay, that's what I mean. But

1:31:35

that's just me and the webbing brought up, I guess.

1:31:38

Why have you been brought up? Who are you?

1:31:42

Mate, this is about you, not me. No, but who

1:31:44

are you? This is about me, but this is who

1:31:46

are you. Because by me understanding you, you can understand

1:31:48

me. But I do understand you wanting

1:31:50

to do that, but it's just not for me.

1:31:52

But I've also seen growing up in the rugby

1:31:54

world where you've got six foot five. A

1:31:57

prime example, I'll give you an example. Bull

1:31:59

must say. Sevens Festival,

1:32:01

2021, good mate of mine Harry

1:32:04

Resnack came down to the festival, he's never been

1:32:06

to a sport or music festival for his life,

1:32:08

he's in the VVIP, 30,000 people, blokes are

1:32:12

coming in, six foot seven, six

1:32:14

foot eight, mass just with budgie smugglers,

1:32:17

beer in hand, flip flops, other

1:32:19

guys coming in who are wearing women's clothes,

1:32:21

that's the rugby mentality of getting on the

1:32:23

beers and having a laugh and not caring,

1:32:25

not giving a shit, you know? I

1:32:28

kind of get it but your question to me

1:32:30

would you dress as a woman? No but you

1:32:32

wouldn't, I think what I'm trying to get you

1:32:34

to understand is understand me because

1:32:37

it's so alien to you, it just feels wrong.

1:32:41

But it's not so alien because I've seen

1:32:43

it for years. No but for you, for you

1:32:45

to do it. In the rugby world, big

1:32:47

masculine men dressing up as women or wearing funny

1:32:49

clothes and not caring or running around naked.

1:32:51

That shock factor has left the building for me

1:32:53

so I don't feel the need, I did

1:32:55

do it for a bit of fun in that

1:32:58

respect and that was, and it was like,

1:33:00

and as an actor wanting to experience other emotions

1:33:02

and what's this like, what's this like? I

1:33:04

mean I want to feel every kind of emotion

1:33:06

out there so I can be a better

1:33:08

actor. Better. Better,

1:33:11

better. Better. Speaking to the

1:33:13

Queen, the King. But

1:33:15

it's funny, I mean people go on about

1:33:17

the cross dress and they go again. I

1:33:21

mean I kind of regret, I

1:33:24

went out. You must look back and think what was I doing? Yes

1:33:27

and no. Okay. The reason

1:33:29

why I say yes is because I've

1:33:31

got so much crap for it. I'm

1:33:34

not a cross dresser, I'm the worst cross dresser.

1:33:36

At the moment, at one point I was the

1:33:38

most famous cross dresser transvestite in the world for

1:33:41

a brief few periods and I'm like how did

1:33:44

this happen? I did it, I did it. To

1:33:46

say fuck you. Yeah okay. And I remember I

1:33:48

see it being in a magazine around 10, 12

1:33:50

years ago and I'm like, they're Talking

1:33:56

about cross dresser. I said what does it matter? People Are

1:33:58

dying all over the world and you're worried. What color

1:34:00

knickers or were? yeah I'm not she's mad

1:34:02

this of fun. It's also wanted to say

1:34:04

fuck you Weldon so it match a lot

1:34:06

I annual roy a dozen my a while

1:34:08

it people can be aware but I'm happy.

1:34:10

I love what what the united it but

1:34:13

you did in an era where wasn't yeah

1:34:15

most I buy that li I'm a lot

1:34:17

The pie I know and I said I

1:34:19

join you are not allowed to do enjoy

1:34:21

It was great. I mean just to dress

1:34:23

up as women Now I'm interested for years

1:34:25

and many is. One.

1:34:29

Said Mrs. Has. Serve.

1:34:33

As though like a certain

1:34:35

sense of been. Is

1:34:38

a pain at that? a good know which

1:34:40

is some other stages to it off of.

1:34:42

I'll do new. First tried it. Says

1:34:51

something to. Go.

1:34:56

To. A

1:34:59

unit. On.

1:35:17

Eighteen Seventeen Eighteen.

1:35:21

I say this because. It's.

1:35:25

Not nice. It

1:35:28

would congealed. Year.

1:35:31

Ago to the me too. Man.

1:35:35

Paltrow. Young to

1:35:37

about because. It's

1:35:43

the. Too

1:35:45

much. Coffee got. Shot

1:35:49

an agent an accent and tonight

1:35:51

and and he am. Said.

1:35:54

The cycle can on the web site

1:35:56

was on what I'm open minded because

1:35:58

I'm like have never tried. It a

1:36:00

month, I wasn't even really fascinated

1:36:02

by a bizarre co. Op.

1:36:05

You're right, And. Of it was

1:36:08

it. Wham bam. Straightaway was it

1:36:10

was. I was compose a Chinos

1:36:12

kid and is actually an agent

1:36:14

An. Hour

1:36:17

to time yet. A

1:36:20

mighty later. And

1:36:23

he he said this is what got duty on

1:36:25

in the business. Side.

1:36:27

Allows Mci or four stocked up.

1:36:29

almost saw it like a James

1:36:32

Bond mission. I

1:36:34

love which leaves trying to justify

1:36:36

my and just about clinton too

1:36:39

comfortable doing it and I felt

1:36:41

could yield and. I.

1:36:49

And. I

1:36:52

like I was a secret agent and

1:36:54

I have to do this to get

1:36:56

tickets It to make my egg the

1:36:58

mission. To win the mission

1:37:00

said I had sex with my

1:37:02

agent. And. As far

1:37:05

as I was used complete

1:37:07

used at not that. It.

1:37:09

Wasn't there? wasn't. That,

1:37:12

but it. Was.

1:37:14

That terrible physically psychologically as

1:37:16

are endless. Yeah

1:37:18

cause the i just when your when

1:37:20

your and was the word. When.

1:37:22

You're. Doing. So

1:37:24

out of your comfort zone. For.

1:37:28

Was like oh bells and whistles. Have to

1:37:30

wonder the whole cross dressing thing was like

1:37:32

after that. Was

1:37:35

up to me. Try to make it all

1:37:37

right. Let. Me: try to make

1:37:40

it. Okay, Yeah.

1:37:43

Why did it to be? So That's because

1:37:45

I will defend. Or a soldier

1:37:47

because I believe in Great Britain.

1:37:50

Yeah, we. We.

1:37:55

Can be what we want to be even up a

1:37:57

don't agree if you. were

1:38:00

and that goes a little bit different now of what's going on

1:38:02

in the world. There's certain things I do believe that we have

1:38:04

to stop. I

1:38:07

will fight for your right to be what you want to be. And

1:38:10

that's, you know, in our free

1:38:12

society, free thinking. So,

1:38:15

yeah. Wow. Yeah.

1:38:20

It was, you know, it wasn't pleasant.

1:38:23

Psychologically. Yeah. But how was that

1:38:25

for you psychologically after that?

1:38:27

For how many years was that played in your mind? Well,

1:38:34

I don't, I kind of must have

1:38:36

suppressed it because I

1:38:40

don't want to talk about it. I

1:38:44

feel comfortable enough

1:38:46

now in myself to admit things

1:38:48

like that. Because it's something very,

1:38:52

very personal. It's very, and

1:38:55

it's like, you know, you don't want to say those sort of things. It's

1:38:58

when you've been taken advantage of. That

1:39:02

must be the oddest part, knowing that you've been used.

1:39:04

I was a paratrooper at the same time. I

1:39:07

mean, what's going on? One minute I'm alpha

1:39:09

male and next minute I'm doing this. Why? Why?

1:39:11

What were you thinking? Because I wanted to be

1:39:13

the best. I wanted to be an

1:39:15

actor and I've been fed. I mean, I

1:39:17

might be 18, which is legal and everything, but

1:39:19

I'm a kid. I'm a baby who I've been

1:39:21

told all the right things to

1:39:24

like to be a movie star and

1:39:26

be an actor and a model and you're

1:39:29

just vulnerable. Now,

1:39:33

going backwards, we talked about the

1:39:35

autism. It explains a lot because

1:39:38

I've been so vulnerable. I've listened to the

1:39:40

wrong people so many times. I've been to prison. How

1:39:43

long are you in prison for? Four

1:39:45

weeks. No time. And

1:39:49

do you know what I saw in there? People

1:39:52

need more love. When I

1:39:54

see real criminals, and I'm talking about a

1:39:56

life mixed with real criminals. I

1:39:59

mean... really sort of breaking bad

1:40:01

stuff and terrorists

1:40:05

and you know when

1:40:07

I was on my search to be the tough guy and

1:40:10

all I wanted was acceptance for myself I

1:40:12

was mixed with all these bad people as I mix with real people

1:40:14

but I'm not talking about them and

1:40:17

who actually in many respects were actually more

1:40:19

moral than the real criminal I'm talking about

1:40:21

which is the government officials yeah the people

1:40:23

who are ruling our country the ruling elite

1:40:26

and I was almost woke

1:40:28

before woke happened and then I've turned back up

1:40:31

command he woke now I used to

1:40:33

believe in you know I left the army because I want to

1:40:35

kill people and I see like you

1:40:37

know these rich men in suits are correcting all the war

1:40:39

so I left the army and I you

1:40:41

know the whole that the

1:40:44

corruption which goes on in our society why

1:40:47

I formed the Bob Reid Foundation to help children

1:40:49

parents and families going through

1:40:52

child separation in a

1:40:54

profit in organization which encourages parental

1:40:56

alienation which is causing five

1:41:00

to seven suicides every day which is

1:41:03

destroying our society when

1:41:05

you've got soldiers more worried about child maintenance

1:41:07

service and fighting a Taliban when you got

1:41:11

firemen being pulled off the ground full towns because

1:41:13

they can't operate properly no the

1:41:15

why is this happening because these are

1:41:18

the real criminals in our government in

1:41:20

our society profiting and I'm

1:41:22

like it's the juxtaposed when I'm in prison

1:41:24

and I'm seeing someone who's inside and there

1:41:27

any insects that have money if

1:41:30

they had money that you know and I know a

1:41:32

lot about that yeah there's a

1:41:34

certain person who's

1:41:42

and there again I've gone back to her who's

1:41:44

managed to get off of everything so

1:41:47

many times what's in your court cases with

1:41:49

her how many court cases you had with

1:41:51

Jordan I

1:41:57

don't know roughly 10 20 20 Different

1:42:02

call cases. Yeah,

1:42:05

hearings. Not

1:42:07

cases, hearings. 20

1:42:09

hearings. Separate

1:42:12

hearings. Regarding what? Revenge

1:42:17

porn. That was the main one.

1:42:20

The divorce. Yeah.

1:42:24

So you... Mate, it

1:42:27

sounds draining. It's

1:42:29

really draining. How much money have

1:42:31

you personally spent on lawyers and all of this?

1:42:33

It's like half

1:42:35

a mil. The

1:42:38

sad thing is, it affects

1:42:40

everyone around me. And

1:42:42

it affects me because I'm the example.

1:42:44

I want to be the shining light

1:42:46

to inspire people. I

1:42:51

need to be vibrating and powerful.

1:42:54

And I'm not because... Well, I am. Like

1:42:58

I said, I have the

1:43:00

battle of the danger of the devil. One

1:43:03

minute I'm positive and it's a continual battle.

1:43:07

And I pray. This is where I'm going to get

1:43:09

heavy. I pray and I literally do pray. Properly

1:43:13

pray. I prayed

1:43:15

to God this morning because

1:43:19

there was something going on in my life.

1:43:21

Something stressful. I

1:43:24

was really worried. I was up at four o'clock in the morning

1:43:26

with something that was going on. I'm

1:43:28

not going to say. And I opened

1:43:31

up the emails and my

1:43:34

prayer was answered. That was good. So

1:43:39

I've turned to God. And

1:43:41

this is someone who's asked a lot of questions. Listen,

1:43:44

I was born in a

1:43:46

Christian family. And I

1:43:49

want to consider myself an evangelist

1:43:51

or a happy clapper Jesus. But someone

1:43:54

who's done a lot of research, asking

1:43:57

a lot of questions, been around the world looking at

1:43:59

every single thing. religion. I've

1:44:01

done all the ayahuasca stuff and I've done witch doctor

1:44:03

stuff and I've experimented

1:44:05

with medicines, you know you

1:44:07

can call them drugs

1:44:10

but medicines in a medicinal

1:44:13

way to try and open up realities

1:44:15

and try and understand what it's all about.

1:44:17

I've done meditations, I've done lots of hard

1:44:19

tai chi, qi kong breathing which

1:44:21

puts you into different states. Long story short,

1:44:23

one of the reasons I've been doing much

1:44:25

of this, I've completely turned

1:44:27

my back on celebrity but because

1:44:30

I get bored of talking

1:44:32

about her and crossdressing

1:44:35

and I don't mind talking about

1:44:37

it now because I'm going

1:44:39

to be doing a lot more interviews and

1:44:42

things. I've got a speaking tour

1:44:44

and I've got a lot to talk about. Positive

1:44:47

things, yeah. As I said I mentor young

1:44:50

people. I'm a trainer and obviously I'm a

1:44:52

badass ninja killer even though I'm a bit

1:44:54

more battle worn these days. I can still

1:44:56

talk and I can influence people. I

1:44:58

love to coach fighters, not

1:45:01

so much on the moves but how

1:45:04

to think. Yeah. How to

1:45:06

think, they're so important. Do

1:45:08

you know on a scale of one

1:45:10

to ten when

1:45:13

you're fighting knowing how to think you're

1:45:16

shrewd? Yeah.

1:45:21

Yeah. I have to be. I haven't

1:45:23

been. Too much love.

1:45:25

I wasn't a killer. Yeah. But I've

1:45:27

had to learn to be a killer.

1:45:29

Yeah. Because it's

1:45:31

a game. Yeah. It's a game. Yeah. Alex,

1:45:35

I've really enjoyed this episode. Do

1:45:38

you say that to everybody? No. No.

1:45:41

No I don't. Are you going to come and wear a dress for me

1:45:43

now? How quickly do you

1:45:45

want me to answer that? No. I

1:45:49

haven't worn a dress for years but I'll put one on for you. You

1:45:53

know what, I've really enjoyed it. You know what I

1:45:55

like about it? You're a really kind soul. For

1:45:58

a fighter and a killer and everything you're about

1:46:00

in that world of 300 fights, you've

1:46:03

just got yourself caught up in stuff,

1:46:06

the lights and what have you.

1:46:09

But you're in a really nice place now, or a

1:46:12

lot better place than you were, which is

1:46:14

lovely. Yes. So I wish

1:46:16

you all the best. I've got purpose. I've got things

1:46:18

to live for. I mean, just

1:46:20

to end on, the whole suicide thing. I mean, you

1:46:23

might think about that, but there's no way. I've

1:46:25

got children that love and I love

1:46:27

myself. You've got four beautiful kids. I

1:46:30

have. Yeah. And I've got

1:46:32

me. Yeah. I've got a lovely Mrs.